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Speaker 2: Well into the night we go and I originate with

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Speaker 2: a half, but not too far from where this thing

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Speaker 2: just all went down. The Seattle Seahawks are Super Bowl champions.

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Speaker 2: Although with the NFL season coming to an end, I

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Speaker 2: know why a lot of you are shedding a tear.

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Speaker 1: And it's not because the season's over.

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Speaker 2: It's because fantasy football is now gone for a number

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Speaker 2: of months. And I have a fantasy football analogy to

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Speaker 2: make as we kick this thing off broadcasting live from

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Speaker 2: the Fox Sports Radio studios.

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Speaker 1: And it's fun when we get to get out of

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Speaker 1: our own little box.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes five to eight in the West with eight from

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Speaker 2: every week on a Super Bowl Sunday, we do it

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Speaker 2: a little bit different and I get to say hi

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Speaker 2: to my friend Aaron Torres, how are you, buddy?

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Speaker 3: So I'm well. Two quick thoughts and Nane no one

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Speaker 3: hearing that intro of the season is over.

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Speaker 1: Yep, but they got no, no, no, don't tell.

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Speaker 3: Me the season's over any No. I need more football.

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Speaker 3: But two, I was curious to ask you how much

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Speaker 3: of Super Bowl. We got three hours to break down.

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Speaker 1: The game, but by away.

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Speaker 3: But were you, like, we know you live in the

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Speaker 3: How was the week? I know the stadium is kind

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Speaker 3: of far from the activities. I know probably you being

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Speaker 3: But just how was the week for you as the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell you what.

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Speaker 2: So just to give people a little bit of the

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Speaker 2: because they're the San Francisco forty nine ers, the city

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Speaker 2: of San Francisco plays kind of host to everything leading

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Speaker 2: it is a good solid hour twenty minutes without traffic

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Speaker 2: that he played down in Santa Clara. So I did

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Speaker 2: nothing Santa Clara related at all.

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Speaker 1: Sure that was all the football stuff.

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Speaker 2: That was the you know, getting stories from specific players

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Speaker 2: and whatnot. If you're talking about radio or media row,

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Speaker 2: if you're talking about the Pro Bowl, the celebrity sidings,

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Speaker 2: the parties, the people that are hobnobbing and walking around

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Speaker 2: and all of that that was right in the heart

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Speaker 2: on the scene ninety five to seven. The game was

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Speaker 2: entire week.

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Speaker 1: We were down there in the center of it all.

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Speaker 2: Lots of stories I could share, lots of fun, but

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Speaker 2: the main takeaway was a San Francisco hit, an absolute

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Speaker 2: home run with the job hosting. There's nothing they can

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Speaker 2: but the hosting of the events itself was an absolute

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Speaker 1: With an assist from Mother.

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Speaker 2: Name your best February weather I've ever seen in San Francisco,

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Speaker 2: just bright sunshine and seventy degrees every day, So everybody

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Speaker 2: or and this was kind of built by Pat McAfee

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Speaker 2: And so here comes, as all things do, even our

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Speaker 2: hoftime show. Today everything turns into a political debate, and

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Speaker 2: so you know, look, I don't care really if you

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Speaker 2: Francisco suffers from the same problems that all big cities do.

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Speaker 1: But if you haven't been here, don't listen to the stories.

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Speaker 2: Everything is good, and everything was really really well done

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Speaker 2: here in the middle of Super Bowl Week. It really was.

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Speaker 2: It was a fun week. Man, It was a lot

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Speaker 3: Well as somebody who grew up in Connecticut but has

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Speaker 3: And so I'm glad to hear that everything went well

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll add to it also that and I

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Speaker 2: to normal. But I really I felt it this week man,

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Speaker 2: like it was I'm not going to say it's what

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Speaker 2: it was ten fifteen years ago, but it was a large,

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Speaker 2: very well attended all major platforms, big names cruising through

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Speaker 2: so yeah, the media coverage of the super Bowl is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it felt like all the big names, you know,

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Speaker 1: I missed you.

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Speaker 3: Well listen, you know who knows. I guess next year

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Speaker 3: you what, what are your takeaways from this game here

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean the number one takeaway and I said

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Speaker 1: Analogy to make here. We all play.

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Speaker 2: I would imagine just about almost everybody listening to us

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Speaker 2: put your lineups in there, you've got all those individuals

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: You have a quarterback, a couple of running backs, a

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Speaker 2: Defense? And it is listed as one person.

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Speaker 1: Great call yep, defense. And that's exactly what this Super

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Speaker 2: And so you can Kenneth Walker me to death, and

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Speaker 2: of Super Bowl sixty was the Seattle Seahawks defense, and

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Speaker 2: I do think that we should start when it comes

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Speaker 3: Now, well, i'll tell you what one. First of all,

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Speaker 3: I'll say this. I'm not trying to push people to

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Speaker 3: our competitors, but the lead story on ESPN dot com

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Speaker 3: dominant d Carrie Seahawks to Super Bowl wins. So that

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Speaker 3: tells you everything you need to know if you did

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Speaker 3: not see the game, but you know, it speaks for

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Speaker 3: setting performance from that defense as far as eight TFLs,

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Speaker 3: I thought it was funny late in the game there

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Speaker 3: was a holding calls College were says. I bet Drake May,

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Speaker 3: bigger loser. When I say this, I don't mean from

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Speaker 3: Indiana's offensive line was named game MVP. And I thought

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Speaker 3: that's a testament to how good that Seattle defense was,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like, I just don't have any problem looking

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Speaker 2: didn't even know that that they gave the entire offensive

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Speaker 2: let's give the big fat guys some credit every now

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Speaker 2: I could head to Santa Clara right now as people

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Speaker 2: name the two Seahawks that had multiple sacks in the

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Speaker 2: Derek Hall, he had two tackles in the game. They

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Speaker 2: were both sacks Byron Murphy. We know Byron, but two

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Speaker 2: tackles in the game. They were both sacks. We can't

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Speaker 2: reckon with the idea, like, we can't turn that into MVP.

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Speaker 2: We can't but this idea and I get it, walker

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Speaker 2: round for one hundred and thirty five yards. But at

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Speaker 2: you're like, ooh, that that Kenneth Walker run right there.

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Speaker 2: That flipped the game. That was a momentum builder for

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Speaker 3: Yeah no, And that was actually my exact thought as

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Speaker 3: speak for you when I say, we're not smirching Kenneth Walker,

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Speaker 3: not at all. But but no, but what you know,

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Speaker 3: to the degree that we remember the Super Bowl because

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Speaker 3: Clearly he trusted that defense. Clearly he trusted the kicker.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, but I'll tell you one thing I didn't

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Speaker 1: And you don't go for two.

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Speaker 1: They didn't have the horses to beat Seattle's defense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, by the way, I might have said Mike McDaniel

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Speaker 1: No, no question.

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Speaker 2: All right, We're gonna roll with you here for a

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Speaker 2: I love it, but I have to confess something as

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever sort of like not

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Speaker 1: And here's what I mean by that, I just don't

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Speaker 3: or not really built for me, And I think this one,

443
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Speaker 3: you know, this one. I let me put it this way.

444
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Speaker 3: I was familiar with Bad Bunny, I wasn't super familiar

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Speaker 3: with his music.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 3: I can very much see why he is as successful

448
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Speaker 3: as he is, because even though I wasn't super familiar

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Speaker 3: with the music itself, I thought he'd put on a

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Speaker 3: heck of a show at half time.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, first of all, like that whole thing

452
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Speaker 2: that looked like just a big, huge maze that just

453
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Speaker 2: suddenly landed in the middle of Levi Stadium in Santa Clara. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the set design was really really cool. There's an online

455
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Speaker 2: thing going on right now with regard to the kid

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Speaker 2: that he handed the Grammy Award too, okay, and whether

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Speaker 2: or not that was actually Liam Ramos, the five year

458
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Speaker 2: old who was taken by ice months ago. I think

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Speaker 2: there's some discussion over whether it was Liam Ramos. For

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Speaker 2: maybe it's just an actor, but I think the idea

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Speaker 2: is that that might have been who he was portraying.

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Speaker 2: I really don't know, but there's a lot of discussion

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Speaker 2: about it.

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Speaker 1: And then there's this, you know, the couple that got married.

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Speaker 3: Okay, my wife was asking me, She's like, do you

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Speaker 3: think they actually just got engaged. I was like, I

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Speaker 3: have no struggle.

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Speaker 1: People.

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Speaker 2: Let you let your wife know. They didn't get engaged,

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Speaker 2: they got married. Oh, they actually got married. That was

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Speaker 2: like that was a real that was a real thing

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Speaker 2: they got They got married. So I think, like you're

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Speaker 2: guessing there's probably a lot going on there that that

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Speaker 2: flew right by people who had had a few drinks.

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Speaker 3: I didn't have any drinks at all. I flew by

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Speaker 3: me too.

477
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Speaker 1: I had had some drinks.

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Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna lie or we're working to night,

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Speaker 2: but I mean that was a lot of hours ago.

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Speaker 1: It was, and I tipped a few back in the

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Speaker 1: first half. Why not? Okay, So but having that like that,

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Speaker 1: I mean I can I was able to see straight.

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Speaker 1: I was doing fine.

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Speaker 3: Since it's since it's honesty hour.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate it now.

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Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. I didn't hate half the job. I

487
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Speaker 3: did have one, and I'm not gonna lie. I you know,

488
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Speaker 3: kind of. One of my New Year's resolutions was to

489
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Speaker 3: cut back, and the first one it hit me a

490
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Speaker 3: little hard. Now keep in mind, you know super Bowl

491
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Speaker 3: started about five hours before we were coming on air. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I was like, wow, you know again, just like

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl halftime show. I'm not built like I

494
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Speaker 3: used to be. I was like, I better stop after

495
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Speaker 3: one and have a cup of coffee and relax. But

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Speaker 3: that is absolutely what happened. But you know, since you're

497
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Speaker 3: festing up to it, I'll fess up that I did

498
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Speaker 3: have one and only one.

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Speaker 2: So good for you, and listen to you. You listened

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Speaker 2: to your body. I did, and that's exactly what people

501
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Speaker 2: are supposed to do. There's two things that I always

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Speaker 2: tell people. You have to listen to. You have to

503
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Speaker 2: listen to your body, and you have to listen to

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Speaker 2: Steve de Seger. Those are the two things in life

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Speaker 2: as far as I'm concerned.

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Speaker 3: Really, you should tell my family.

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Speaker 1: That, yeah, I give my number Steve.

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Speaker 6: There is so much to discuss about Super Bowl sixty.

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Speaker 6: The Seahawks are the champions, and deservedly so after this

510
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Speaker 6: run and tonight's game. Specifically, more on the defense that

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Speaker 6: you discussed in a moment twenty nine to thirteen, the

512
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Speaker 6: final over New England game MVP Kenneth Walker twenty seven

513
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Speaker 6: carries one hundred and thirty five yards rushing, first running

514
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Speaker 6: back to be game MVP since Terrell Davis nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 6: But Seattle had four different edge rushers tonight create at

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Speaker 6: least five pressures each on Drake May in this win,

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Speaker 6: just the fifth game since twenty eighteen where four edge

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Speaker 6: teammates had done that. And then you had a corner

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Speaker 6: in Devin Witherspoon of Seattle who had four pressures, a

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Speaker 6: career high, and he only rushed the passer six times

521
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Speaker 6: in this game, had a sack forced what turned into

522
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Speaker 6: the pick six to Chennaduwosu. Also as a dB, he

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Speaker 6: only allowed two receptions tonight and they wound up throwing

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Speaker 6: a lot in New England and the folks at Next

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Speaker 6: Gen Stats pointed out the night that Will Campbell had

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Speaker 6: on the offensive line for New England. They spent a

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Speaker 6: high first round draft choice on this guy.

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Speaker 1: Last year.

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Speaker 6: Next Gen Stats attributed fourteen quarterback pressures allowed to him. Wow,

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Speaker 6: the most pressures allowed by any one player in one

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Speaker 6: game this whole season any team including playoffs. Well, there

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Speaker 6: still has never been a putt return for a touchdown

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Speaker 6: in the Super Bowl. We brought this up on last

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Speaker 6: night's show. It's amazing to me that here we've had

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Speaker 6: now well over two hundred and fifty punt returns in

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Speaker 6: Super Bowl history, not one has been taken to the house.

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Speaker 6: Whereas AP in their research found out in this entire

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Speaker 6: Super Bowl air regular season games you get a punt

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Speaker 6: return TD every twenty two games or so Super Bowls,

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Speaker 6: We've had sixty games not one punt return for a touchdown.

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Speaker 6: The Patriots franchise still has just forty I say just

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Speaker 6: forty postseason wins all time. That is tied for first

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Speaker 6: with the forty nine Ers, who have forty and they

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Speaker 6: were playing in the Niners home stadium tonight. By the way,

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Speaker 6: there in Santa Clara, the Seahawks have the best winning

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Speaker 6: percentage of any team in that building, forty nine Ers included.

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Speaker 6: The Seahawks have now won nine times at Levi's Stadium,

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Speaker 6: according to AP, and the Seahawks cap an incredible season

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Speaker 6: seventeen to three with this victory. It was a nineteen

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Speaker 6: to zhering lead early in the fourth Jason Myers a

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Speaker 6: record five for five on field goals. When Seattle scores first,

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Speaker 6: they went twelve and oh this season, the only unbeaten

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Speaker 6: team in the NFL this year. In that situation, it

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Speaker 6: helps to have the number one ranked defense scoring defense

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Speaker 6: that they had. They only allowed seventeen points a game,

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Speaker 6: and that included Matthew Stafford going up and down the

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Speaker 6: field against them. This year against the rest, they just

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Speaker 6: pounded a lot of folks and they kept New England

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Speaker 6: scoreless in the first half. Super Bowl teams when they

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Speaker 6: don't score a point in the first half are still winless.

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Speaker 6: Oh and fifteen all time. And that Super Bowl MVP

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Speaker 6: Kenneth Walker forced nine miss tackles got him an extra

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Speaker 6: seventy nine yards in this game. Sam Darnold is a

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Speaker 6: Super Bowl champion. Say it out loud, and not a

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Speaker 6: single turnover in the postseason. The guy who led the

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Speaker 6: league in giveaways during the regular season is a Super

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Speaker 6: Bowl champion. At New England first three quarters, by the way,

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Speaker 6: ten drives, eight punts, one fumble, and the kneel down

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Speaker 6: at the end of the first half. Complete dominance from

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Speaker 6: the Seattle defense in this one. Among the four NBA

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Speaker 6: games wins for Toronto and Miami Clippers got forty one

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Speaker 6: points from Kawhi Leonard in a victory at Minnesota one

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Speaker 6: fifteen to ninety six. New York got thirty one from

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Speaker 6: Jalen Brunson and won at Boston one eleven to eighty nine.

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Speaker 6: Free agent guard Cam Thomas X and the Nets will

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Speaker 6: sign with Milwaukee. Luka Doncic and the Lakers is out

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Speaker 6: again on Monday with a strained hamstring, and Houston's Alpria

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Speaker 6: and Shngoon was added to the All Star Game, which

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Speaker 6: will be at the Clippers Arena next Sunday. Shangoon replaces

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Speaker 6: Shay Gilgis Alexander on the World Team SGA has an

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Speaker 6: abdominal strain. American Breezy Johnson at the Winter Olympics took

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Speaker 6: gold in the women's downhill. Lindsey Vaughn suffered a broken

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Speaker 6: leg on a fall early in her run, and the

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Speaker 6: US today won the team figure skating gold, beating Japan

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Speaker 6: sixty nine points to sixty eight. What to day for

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Speaker 6: Japanese golf. For Hideki Matsuyama, he was leading the Phoenix

587
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Speaker 6: Open by one stroke and then bogied eighteen and lost

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Speaker 6: in a playoff to Chris got her Up. NASCAR's duel

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Speaker 6: races at Daytona are this Thursday. Night on FS one.

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Speaker 6: The Daytona five hundred is next Sunday on Fox TV.

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Speaker 1: Back to you, Steve, great stuff.

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Speaker 3: So Arnors fan, you're on that one man.

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Speaker 2: More than that, I got to talk with Rob for

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Speaker 2: a while this week on Radio Row. Just a gem anyway,

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Speaker 2: do you know the significance tonight when looking at the

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Speaker 2: Seahawks season of the number nine and I'll actually put

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Speaker 2: a word after it, points. Do you know the significance

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Speaker 2: of nine points for the Seahawks this year?

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Speaker 1: I do not. They were nine points away from perfection. Wow.

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Speaker 1: They lost three games this year, once by two, once

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Speaker 1: by three, and once by boar. That's it the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: The Seahawks it's crazy. It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Their biggest loss of the season came in Week one.

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Speaker 3: That is wild.

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Speaker 2: Forty nine Ers beat him seventeen to thirteen, and that

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Speaker 2: will go down as their largest loss of the entire year.

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Speaker 3: That is wild. I you know, obviously, I you know,

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Speaker 3: you know they have the number one seed one probably

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Speaker 3: the toughest division in football, Like you know all that,

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think I realized it was quite

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Speaker 3: as dominant as that.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's just quiet, right and because like when you

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Speaker 2: don't see it coming, we take longer to believe these things.

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Speaker 2: But if you really dive into it, and you also

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Speaker 2: noticed that they did this in what many would tell

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Speaker 2: you is the best division in football. You had a

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Speaker 2: fourteen win team and two other twelve win teams. So

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Speaker 2: it's not like they were getting freebies. I know they

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Speaker 2: weren't playing a first place schedule, but I'm running my

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Speaker 2: eyes across this thing right now, and it was very.

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Speaker 1: Far from a Patriots type schedule.

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Speaker 2: For example, and outside of a few close ones late.

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Speaker 2: You know, you beat the Rams by one on that

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Speaker 2: crazy Thursday night game, you beat the Colts by just.

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Speaker 1: Two, but there is a lot of double digit wins on.

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Speaker 2: This list when you roll through Seattle season, so they

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Speaker 2: were quietly, quietly dominant.

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Speaker 1: But let me throw a tweet at you, Aaron, and

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Speaker 1: you react to this.

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Speaker 2: This comes from brock Heward, who was a quarterback himself

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Speaker 2: obviously and is a big media personality in Seattle now,

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Speaker 2: and he wrote just about an hour ago, the numbers

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Speaker 2: say it, your eyes see it.

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Speaker 1: This wasn't just the best Seahawks team in history.

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Speaker 2: This is one of the top ten best teams in

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Speaker 2: NFL history and they aren't going anywhere.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you this, and again we have, you know,

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Speaker 3: three hours to discuss this all. But I was thinking

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Speaker 3: Sam Darnold, whatever you think of him, And he's another

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Speaker 3: one I know we'll talk about before the end of

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Speaker 3: the show, is just now entering his year twenty nine season,

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Speaker 3: so he will be twenty nine this year. Yeah, Mike

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Speaker 3: McDonald is a guy who is entering his year thirty

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Speaker 3: nine season. As far as being a head coach, he's

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Speaker 3: not as a head coach, but he is going to

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Speaker 3: be thirty nine years old, so in theory he is

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Speaker 3: not going anywhere either. I know, as sports fans, we

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Speaker 3: always default to when someone wins a championship. Oh, the

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Speaker 3: dynasty is coming.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: We do this in the NBA, the Nuggets, the Celtics,

662
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: you know who knows with OKC, this does not feel

663
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 3: like something that is gonna slow down a one year

664
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Speaker 3: blip with a quarterback under thirty a head coach, or

665
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: a quarterback under thirty a head coach under forty. Obviously,

666
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 3: JSN has proven to be an elite guy, and we

667
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 3: have talked plenty about that defense already in this show.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, However, I would bet every single asset I have

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Speaker 2: right now that they will not repeat. Ok And I

670
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Speaker 2: can explain that a little bit more. He's coming up next.

671
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Speaker 2: I'd love to get into that a little bit. So,

672
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Speaker 2: so glad you're with us tonight. The Super Bowl and

673
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: the NFL season have come to an end. The Seahawks

674
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Speaker 2: beat the Patriots twenty nine to thirteen, and they are crowned.

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Speaker 2: This evening just getting started, and we're with you all

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Speaker 2: the way up until eleven in the West, two am

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00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 2: in the East with Aaron Torres. I'm Mark Willard. This

678
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Speaker 2: is Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio. All right, Mark Willard,

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00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 1: Aaron Torres with.

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Speaker 2: You after the Super Bowl live in the Fox Sports

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00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: Radio studios. Aaron, I don't want this to sound like

683
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Speaker 2: I'm taking a shot at Seattle. I just think and

684
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: again to sort of reput out the thought that brock

685
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: Heward said tonight, not just one of the not just

686
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Speaker 2: the best Seahawks team of all time, one of the

687
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: top ten best NFL teams of all time, and they're

688
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: not going anywhere. And he points to DVOA, which you know,

689
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 2: on a night where we're kicking analytics in the face

690
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: because Mike McDonald will kick field goals like, I don't know, man, Like, sure, okay,

691
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: you might have some DVA numbers there. Maybe they will

692
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: continue to be really, really, really good. The best defense

693
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 2: I have against that, though, is not some great x's

694
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: and oh's answer. It's just that's not how it works.

695
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: It sports just doesn't work that way. Maybe the NBA,

696
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 2: but it doesn't work that way. I mean, how many

697
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: times can we look at teams at the end of

698
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: the year and there's no great reason to think why

699
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: they won't be really good again next year, and then

700
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: they Jaden Daniels or Patrick Mahomes or whatever and end

701
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 2: up just having an awful season. The football season has

702
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: so many pitfalls. So the idea of you know, just

703
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: this being the start of a now dominant run, I

704
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 2: don't see it not yet.

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00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: So two things. One, I actually want to revisit that

706
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: conversation with the Patriots because at some point in the show,

707
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Speaker 3: just you know, put it on the docket for whenever,

708
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 3: because I don't know if I've ever seen a team

709
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 3: that's more built for the Super Bowl, you know, hangover

710
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 3: than that team right there. But we could discuss that later.

711
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Speaker 3: What's funny about what you just said. I think the

712
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 3: actual best example of what you just said in the

713
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 3: NFL is the mid twenty ten Seahawks, right, I mean,

714
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 3: they win that first one, they dominate Peyton Manning and

715
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 3: the Denver Broncos, young secondary, young defense, Russell Wilson on

716
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 3: a rookie contract, and we're like, oh my goodness, you

717
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 3: know THATFC it's over for the next ten years. And

718
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 3: then it's like, you know, they make another Super Bowl,

719
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Speaker 3: they don't end up winning, and then guys get old

720
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: kind of falls apart. Russell Wilson gets too much, whatever

721
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 3: the circumstances were. I think that's actually one of the

722
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: best examples of exactly what you're talking about of Just

723
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Speaker 3: to your point, especially in the sport of football, with

724
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: the way injuries happen, with the way guys just get

725
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 3: old overnight, I do think, you know, just to push

726
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 3: back a little bit, I think what makes it different

727
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 3: is the young quarterback, the young head coach. But to

728
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: your point, what were we saying about Jaden Daniels at

729
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 3: this time last year? Yeah, you know, what have we

730
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Speaker 3: said about a million young quarterbacks? So I think it's

731
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Speaker 3: a totally fair point. I actually think that, you know,

732
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: Seahawks team of about ten years ago is actually a

733
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Speaker 3: great reflection of exactly what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I would say this, like, again, I'm focused

735
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: on the Seahawks defense, and so the world will focus

736
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: on the quarterback and Sam Donald is now a champ,

737
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: and that's egg all over the face of the Vikings,

738
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Speaker 2: And I guess maybe to a degree, the Jets, who knows,

739
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 2: maybe even the Panthers a little bit as well, if

740
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Speaker 2: you want to say it that way.

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Speaker 1: We can say that.

742
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 2: But I can throw some analytics back at brock Cured

743
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: if you want, Well, do you like QBR? QBR is

744
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: the adjusted quarterback rating that takes many many more things

745
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: into account on a football field in an attempt to

746
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: tell you how well said quarterback is playing. Overall, that's

747
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 2: what QBR is trying to do. And if I do

748
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 2: look at QBR, I see Drake May, Jordan Love, Brock Purdy,

749
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford, Dak Prescott, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Daniel Jones,

750
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, Mac Jones, CJ Stroud, Baker Mayfield, Justin Herbert Bownicks,

751
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence, Jackson, Dart and Jared Goff all

752
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 2: ahead of Sam Darnold. The league will spend this summer

753
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: getting ready for the Seahawks. Sure they're going to need

754
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: better quarterback play if they actually want to turn this

755
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 2: into a lengthy thing.

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00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: Sam was good, Sam was not great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's a lot of truth to that.

758
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: I mean, what I would say is, one, listen, every

759
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 3: successful quarterback is a pseudo byproduct of what is around him.

760
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 3: No one can do it without good teammates. But you

761
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 3: win fourteen games in back to back years with two

762
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 3: different organizations, you know you know what you're doing. And

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Speaker 3: I would say I understand the turnover stat but basically

764
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: a lot of first of all, Seahawks. You know, Disager's

765
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 3: already ripped off a bunch of great stats, but Seahawks

766
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: just became the first team ever to win a Super

767
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 3: Bowl without having a single turnover the entire postseason. That's

768
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: obviously not all Sam Darnold, but it is obviously at

769
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: least in some part reflective of him. And I would

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00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 3: also add too, a lot of those turnovers were early

771
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Speaker 3: in the year. Of the fourteen turn of the fourteen

772
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Speaker 3: interceptions that he threw, ten were before Thanksgiving. So you know,

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Speaker 3: I think it's an interesting conversation to have of again,

774
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 3: defense is really good, talent around him is really good.

775
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 3: Can he just be really good? And for them to

776
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 3: be back in that position, he probably needs to take

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00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: another step.

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Speaker 1: I do agree. Yeah, Like no, I mean again, this

779
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,479
Speaker 1: is Sam was really good.

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Speaker 2: And in fact, we can get into this coming up

781
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,959
Speaker 2: next because I really think this postseason, this entire postseason,

782
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: should be a huge narrative for something that I know

783
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: won't work. But we should stop making it all about

784
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 2: the quarterback. Really yeah, I mean we we really should.

785
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: And if you can't see that by running a thread

786
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: through these playoffs that we just watched, boy, I like,

787
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 2: I think it's just an absolute black letter kind of

788
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 2: a situation. So we can get that coming up next.

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Speaker 2: That's Aaron Torres. I'm Mark Willard, and this is Fox

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00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 2: Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 2: Off we go into the night, broadcasting live from the

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio Studios. Super Bowl sixty in the books

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00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: Seahawks twenty nine, Patriots thirteen. That is a rap. Do

795
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: you always have the same feeling that I do, Aaron?

796
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: Whenever the Super Bowl ends, it's a different thing. If

797
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: your team is in it. If they won, you know,

798
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 2: you're probably I don't know, drunk or on the phone

799
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: or something. If they lose, you're kind of staring at

800
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 2: your TV or your wall, like wondering where do we

801
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 2: all go from here? But the rest of us, those

802
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: who were not Seahawks, are Patriots fans, and on a

803
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: given year, of those who don't have their team in

804
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, it's this weird vibe of.

805
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: Like, oh damn it, what do we what do we

806
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: do on the weekend now?

807
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: But also combined with geez, I'm glad they finally played

808
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 2: that game. Do you ever step back and think of

809
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 2: what goes into in terms of energy, finances, what goes

810
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: into this game over a two week period, it's just breathtaking.

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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable.

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00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 3: I will tell you. I really have that take that

813
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 3: that emotion. The first Saturday without football, right, obviously, everybody

814
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 3: knows I'm a huge college football guy. But then you

815
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 3: have what three straight you know, you have all of December,

816
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 3: you have regular season NFL football leading into the wildcard weekend,

817
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 3: leading into the divisional weekend, and then it's like, listen,

818
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 3: I love college hoops as well, but it doesn't hit

819
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 3: the same when there isn't something to put on, and

820
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: especially you know, for people who don't know, I host

821
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 3: the you know this time slot eleven pm Eastern on Saturday.

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00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 3: So we're coming on after you know, four or five

823
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 3: straight weeks of just high leverage football. You know, we

824
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 3: were on during that Bears Packers game. That was crazy,

825
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 3: you know, we were Unfortunately we were also out of

826
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 3: the following week when the Seahawks absolutely blew out the

827
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 3: forty nine ers. There wasn't nearly as much drama in

828
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: that one. And then you're just like, oh, there's no football,

829
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 3: and then the next week there's no Sunday football. But

830
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 3: to your point you still know it's there, and then yeah,

831
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 3: I was even thinking about it today of like, listen, man,

832
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: it's just I love college hoops and I'm excited for

833
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 3: what's to come here over the next six to eight weeks.

834
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 3: But it just does feel different when there is no football.

835
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 3: And but I start feeling that probably about two or

836
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 3: three weeks, even before it happens.

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Speaker 1: I forget it. I get it, I get it. Yeah,

838
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: it's just kind of I don't know.

839
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: When the Super Bowl starts, I always have this this

840
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 2: sort of out of body experience of like, oh, are

841
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 2: they like they're they're actually gonna play now, Like we've

842
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: been thinking about this and talking about this for so

843
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: long the halftime show, what's the hell By the time

844
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: this game even got here, the America was able to

845
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: launch a protest of something that hadn't even happened yet.

846
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: It just like the build up is so overwhelming.

847
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: So it's always kind of a weird vibe.

848
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: And I think that lasts, you know, all the way

849
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: through tonight and for a few days at least for me.

850
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: But let's talk quarterbacks a little bit.

851
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Speaker 2: I want to get into this with you, and maybe

852
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: it has something to do with because I certainly I

853
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: don't want to come across as as a diminishing or

854
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: offensive to Sam Darnold tonight at all.

855
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: I really don't want to do that.

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00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: I just think, in many ways, it's not that I

857
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 2: think he played poorly because he didn't. It's not that

858
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: I even think he needs to really really up his game.

859
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: I just don't think that this team was about him.

860
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: That's not what I think this was about. So I

861
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: think that there are probably a handful of quarterbacks that

862
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: could have won with this team or done what he did.

863
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: And if we look across the playoffs this year, let's

864
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 2: think about this, Aaron, we make this all about the

865
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Speaker 2: quarterback and who's the dude who can win a Super Bowl? Well,

866
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: think about it. Patrick Mahomes didn't even make these playoffs.

867
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow did not qualify for these playoffs. Lamar Jackson

868
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: did not qualify for these playoffs. Josh Allen was eliminated

869
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: from these playoffs.

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00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 1: Drake may is only in his second year.

871
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: Sam Donold once upon a time was a jet who

872
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: saw ghosts. Doc Prescott didn't make these playoffs. Justin Herbert

873
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: made these playoffs literally for just a hot second and

874
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: put up three points in the left. But at the

875
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: meantime Brock Purty slash Mac Jones. They won twelve games

876
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: this year. Bryce Young was in these playoffs, Trevor Lawrence

877
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: found a way into these playoffs, and somehow as a

878
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 2: finalist for MVP. You know, Sam Darnold certainly stands out.

879
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 2: And then you know Caleb Williams, who last year people

880
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 2: were like, ooh, you picked the wrong guy, and then

881
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: he's in the playoffs and releasing one of the greatest

882
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: passes that we've ever seen. I just think if there

883
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 2: were a way for us to look at these things

884
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: as teams from top to bottom, I know, super boring,

885
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: but if they're a way for us to do that,

886
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 2: I think we'd be smarter football fans.

887
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean, listen, if it's just a conversation

888
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 3: about you know, the sum is greater than one individual part,

889
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 3: I don't disagree, And yeah, I don't know that I disagree.

890
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, listen, look at Josh Allen, Right,

891
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 3: he has one really bad game and basic you know,

892
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 3: a whole the era is over because he turns the

893
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 3: ball over four times. And so yeah, I think it's

894
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 3: totally fair to say, like Hey, would a lot of

895
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: people be in position? Would a lot of people be

896
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 3: good quarterbacks in this system given the circumstances of the defense,

897
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 3: the coaching staff, Jackson Smith and Jig but whatever. And

898
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 3: so if you just want to have the conversation of

899
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 3: we over hype quarterbacks across the board, then I am

900
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 3: absolutely fine having that conversation. I'm somebody who thought Saquon

901
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: Barkley should have won the MVP last year. So I'm

902
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 3: fine with having that conversation. What I do think we

903
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 3: cannot do is dismiss the success that Sam Donald has

904
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,479
Speaker 3: had and the real you know, what's the right word,

905
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 3: the reinvigoration that's probably not the right word of his

906
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 3: career over the last three or four or last two years.

907
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 3: Excuse me. And I was somebody that was like super

908
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 3: critical of Sam Donald into these playoffs. You know, I've

909
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 3: believed in him before. I gotta see it. I well,

910
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 3: he did it, and so again, and you know, we

911
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 3: can have the separate Sam Donald conversation while also saying

912
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 3: exactly what you just said is that the quarterback is

913
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 3: the most important position on the field. It's the most

914
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 3: important position in all of sports. But also again, Josh Allen.

915
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 3: When he doesn't play well, the Bills fall apart. That's

916
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 3: a reflection of the guys around him in some ways

917
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 3: as much as it is him. Conversely, Sam Donald was

918
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 3: not great tonight and the team won anyway. So I

919
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 3: do think there is something to the fact that we

920
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 3: probably you know it's no different, but we always say

921
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: the quarterback gets too much credit when the team has

922
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 3: success and too much blame when they don't have success.

923
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 3: And I do think this year is probably a pretty

924
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,439
Speaker 3: good reflection of that. And I think it's pretty well

925
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 3: symbolized in the Seattle Seahawks winning the Super Bowl in

926
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 3: that you need much more than a quarterback, or at

927
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 3: least it certainly helps to have much more than a quarterback.

928
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 3: With the Seahawks winning this one, yeah.

929
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 1: No doubt.

930
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: And I think that's kind of what I'm getting at.

931
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: And I like the way that you put that. There's

932
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: no like if you do that, if you quarterback a

933
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 2: team to the Super Bowl, hell of an accomplishment. There's

934
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: no taking that away. You do have to handle yourself

935
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 2: in a certain way. But I would just love sort

936
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: of the order of all of this to maybe get

937
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: shuffled a little bit like I don't think that if

938
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: you win the Super Bowl that means you're the best

939
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: quarterback in the game. I don't think that. I don't

940
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: even think it means you're a top five quarterback. I

941
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 2: don't think the labels that go along with it like great,

942
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: great achievement.

943
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 3: Real quick, though, lett I ask you a question. You

944
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 3: don't put Sam Darnold in the like Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer,

945
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 3: not at all.

946
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 2: Okay, no, I won't do that, But I will say

947
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: that this stuff is too fickle for my taste.

948
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: And I mean that in both directions.

949
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,720
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts was the Super Bowl MVP a year ago,

950
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: exactly a year ago, and seemingly upon arrival the following season,

951
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,959
Speaker 2: his fan base was already ready to right the black

952
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: his legs out from underneath him. And the coach and

953
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator and the receivers hell, even they are

954
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: Mad Adams. So it's like, I don't know, man, what

955
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 2: does it really do for a lifetime of labels when

956
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 2: somebody achieves this. I tend to look at it as

957
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: wonderful achievement. And the mix worked, the blending of whatever

958
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: you've got terms of defense and wide receivers and offensive

959
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: line and quarterback. Sam Tonight after the game was giving

960
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 2: credit to his year in San Francisco, and he actually said,

961
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: I was playing poor football. And then I spent a

962
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: year with the Niners, and I learned a lot from

963
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 2: Rock and from Kyle Shanahan, and then I left, and

964
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: I've put together too, you know, back to back fourteen

965
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 2: win seasons. That's an interesting one because Sam is kind

966
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 2: of putting it a little bit on himself, and so

967
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: I like that aspect of it. But I just to me,

968
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 2: there there's always for almost all of them, there's going

969
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: to have to be the right mix around them or

970
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 2: else they can't function. So like the real quick example,

971
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 2: Drake may does not fall one iota in my mind

972
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: for what happened tonight, because every quarterback, just about maybe

973
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 2: not Matt Stafford, but every quarterback would have looked like

974
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 2: that if given the amount of time that he was

975
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 2: not given up against that defensive line, with that receiving corps.

976
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: Every quarterback in my mind would have looked just like that.

977
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 3: So yes, on that part. And then I think the

978
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 3: broader thing about you know, too much credit, too much blame,

979
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 3: I think is one hundred percent accurate, and I was

980
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 3: thinking even when you were talking. I mean, listen, Patrick

981
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,240
Speaker 3: Mahomes has not played his best playoff games in Super Bowls,

982
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 3: and he's won a couple of them. He's trailed going

983
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 3: into the fourth quarter, and a couple of them you

984
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 3: know all too well. I don't mean to pour salt

985
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 3: in a wound, but as a guy who covers the

986
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 3: forty nine ers, you know, you know Tom Brady, a

987
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 3: couple Adam Viniterry kicks, you know, go go go wide

988
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 3: right or whide left. I don't want to say we

989
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 3: don't acknowledge Tom Brady as an all time great, but

990
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 3: we talk about him in a different manner. So I

991
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 3: think it is interesting. And maybe it's just not as

992
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 3: stark as it was on a night like tonight where

993
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 3: the defensive, defensive line and the defense overall was just

994
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 3: so dominant. But yes, it is much more than just

995
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 3: a quarterback sport, and you know, to win it this level,

996
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: it is about much more than the quarterback. And I

997
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 3: think it's a really interesting conversation. I'm even thinking about

998
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 3: last year right to your point about Jalen her Yeah,

999
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 3: there's the part about Jalen Hurts, but there's also the

1000
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 3: part about the Philadelphia defensive front just absolutely bullying the

1001
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 3: Kansas City Chiefs all game long. And I think, honestly,

1002
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 3: we had a lot of the same conversations about Patrick Mahomes,

1003
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 3: as weird as it sounds, as as what you just

1004
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 3: said about Drake may is like, there's nothing Number fifteen

1005
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 3: could have done about that one with the way his

1006
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 3: line was unable to block that Philadelphia front. And so

1007
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 3: I do think to your point, we again, we probably

1008
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 3: spend too much time talking about just the quarterback, but

1009
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 3: you start going through Super Bowl champs off the top

1010
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 3: of my head, and it is about so much more

1011
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 3: than just that.

1012
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: Position, no doubt.

1013
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 2: If I asked you right now, if I made you

1014
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: bet on Sam Donald winning another Super Bowl or not,

1015
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: oh what would you bet?

1016
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 3: It's a great question. If you gave me the over

1017
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 3: under of a half a super Bowl, I'll tell you.

1018
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 3: And I'm not doing this just to be argumentative. I would.

1019
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's so hard. You're right, You're right,

1020
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 3: you know it's hard, right, And I think because the

1021
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 3: division is tough, because the AFC is tough. I mean,

1022
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 3: let's be honest. I mean, am I crazy to say

1023
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 3: that maybe the weakest AFC champion that we will we've

1024
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 3: seen in the past, you know, however many years, and

1025
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 3: the weakest AFC champion that we may see going forward.

1026
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 3: I mean, you're talking about a team that won four

1027
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 3: games last year, Willard, and I know you know that,

1028
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 3: but you know, with the way the schedule broke, no

1029
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 3: bot Nicks in the AFC Championship game, the Blizzard, it's

1030
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 3: just so to your point, I guess if I had

1031
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 3: to bet on it, statistically, the right move would be

1032
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 3: the under. I could see him winning one more. This

1033
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 3: isn't like Mahomes at twenty four that you're like, oh,

1034
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 3: this guy's gonna be back and back and back again.

1035
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 3: But what I just think about the fact that you

1036
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 3: got Drake may in a second year instead of a

1037
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen with two weeks to prepare whatever,

1038
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 3: let alone Patrick Mahomes plus the division plus Philadelphia plus

1039
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 3: Detroit depending on plus Caleb Williams, I guess probably the

1040
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 3: right bet is to not pick him to win another.

1041
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 2: Outside of dynasties, well, we don't like doing this because

1042
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 2: it kind of ruins our heroes. Outside of dynasties, sports

1043
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 2: is so much more circumstantial than we want to give

1044
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 2: it credits.

1045
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: True, so much more circumstantial.

1046
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 3: We were talking about this on our show last night.

1047
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 3: I it might have been with Darnold. I can't remember,

1048
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 3: but it's always funny to me, Like when the NFL

1049
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 3: or NBA draft comes up and people are like, well,

1050
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 3: what do you think about that guy? And it's like, well,

1051
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 3: where's it going?

1052
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: Like it's a situation here, yeah.

1053
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 3: You know, And like I always use his example and

1054
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 3: maybe you'll disagree because it's a guy that you've covered

1055
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 3: and know well. But like if Draymond Green's drafted by

1056
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 3: the Sacramento Kings, you know, or is it Steph Clay,

1057
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 3: Steve Kerb, Bob My, you know, perfect guy for the

1058
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 3: perfect spot, with the right coaching staff, the right support,

1059
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 3: you know. And it's not to say that Draymond isn't

1060
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 3: a deserving Hall of Famer, but that's just the example

1061
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 3: that I default to, and I think you can use

1062
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 3: that in a lot of cases.

1063
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: I'll take it even a step further and I'll say

1064
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 2: this and doc, because I don't know if I'll be

1065
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 2: allowed out outside my.

1066
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: House by Steve Kerr.

1067
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: Great coach Draymond Green, future Hall of Famer, Klay Thompson,

1068
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:28,280
Speaker 2: future Hall of Famer. They all have unbelievable gifts and talent,

1069
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 2: but none of them are going to the Hall. If

1070
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 2: Steph Curry's not on the team, totally fair well one

1071
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 2: of them.

1072
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 3: And I always say this was Steve Kerr, and I

1073
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 3: know you know this, but a lot of people probably forgot.

1074
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 3: He was like this close to being the New York

1075
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 3: Knicks head coach. Remember correct, Phil Jackson was the whatever,

1076
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 3: the president of whatever, basketball president, president of operations, And

1077
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 3: it was like from what I remember, and you may

1078
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 3: remember it better than me, because the Golden State Angle,

1079
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 3: it was like, yeah, it wasn't maybe on the one

1080
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 3: yard line, but it was in the red zone. And

1081
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 3: then it was like, oh the Warriors with this young

1082
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 3: guy Curry, and you remember the details, what do they

1083
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 3: go to the second round? They beat the Spurs one

1084
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 3: year and it's like, you know, you can't pass up

1085
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 3: this to go to the Knicks. You know, if Steve

1086
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 3: Kerr goes to the Knicks with do respect, he's probably

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Speaker 3: on inside the NBA would Chuck and Kenny right now

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Speaker 3: instead of However, four time NBA champion awhile and.

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Speaker 2: If David Lee doesn't get hurt, do they even find

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00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 2: Raymond Green, who was a second rounder sitting on the bench.

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Speaker 2: I mean it just sports is circumstantial, and then the

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Speaker 2: best take advantage when the circumstances kind of fall their way.

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00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 2: Lots more to get to on that, and in fact,

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Speaker 2: we want to have a discussion about where does Sam

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00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: Darnold sit in sort of the pecking order, if you will,

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Speaker 2: of NFC quarterbacks now that we view him through what

1097
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 2: is clearly a very different lens. Also this have you

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Speaker 2: ever wiped with a piece of dry toil the paper

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Speaker 2: and wondered is this as good as it gets? Well,

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Speaker 2: off the air. But we are nowhere near done. Fun

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Speaker 2: fact and an observation that relates to a previous conversation

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Speaker 2: that we had. Aaron, did you know that today was

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Speaker 2: the first time that Kenneth Walker's dad ever went to

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Speaker 2: an NFL game?

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Speaker 3: I had no idea how about that?

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 2: Walker said that his dad comes to Seattle for games

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00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 2: a lot, but typically watches from somewhere else because he

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00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 2: doesn't like crowds.

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Speaker 7: Oh wow, but his agent stepped in this time and

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Speaker 7: convinced dad come to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, watch the game. His son not only won a

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl ring, but he won MVP.

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Speaker 3: That's wild that if they're not from Seattle, that he

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00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 3: would travel to Seattle to not go to a game, right,

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Speaker 3: you think you could and maybe you know, listen, sure

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00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 3: his great dad supporting his son. But yeah, it's just

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Speaker 3: very weird. By the way. I did think of this

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Speaker 3: because they go because they mentioned, oh, you know, Kenneth

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Speaker 3: Walker Junior is in the stands today, and you know,

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Speaker 3: they kind of they didn't tell that part of the story.

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Speaker 3: But out of Corolla once had a great bit. He

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01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 3: was like, it was like peak RG three. He's like,

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Speaker 3: whatever happened to RG two? Why does nobody talk about

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01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 3: that guy? And I know I'm under selling it, and

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01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 3: it was funnier when he said it, but I thought

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Speaker 3: of that when they were like, yeah, and we're gonna

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Speaker 3: go live to Kenneth Walker Junior. And I was like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker. That's the third Okay, okay, cool, cool. I

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Speaker 3: don't know I was he had to be there, but

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Speaker 3: it was it was.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I love it. I love it.

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01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 2: And then there's this I just saw this and I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 2: this is what we were just talking about. Remember when

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01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: you and I were just talking about how as much

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Speaker 2: as I don't think sports fans love the romanticism of

1155
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 2: this idea, sports is very very circumstantial.

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01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: If you're a dynasty, forget it. I get it. You're

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01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: really good Chiefs. Yeah, you're you're really good.

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01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 2: Golden State Warriors, Antonio Spurs, Los Angeles Lakers, New England

1159
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 2: Patriots with Brady that's different. You're setting yourselves apart. But

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Speaker 2: all of the little one offs. So there's a video

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01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 2: running around online right now of that two point conversion

1162
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 2: between the Seahawks and the Rams on a Thursday night.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, in the.

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Speaker 2: Fourth quarter where the ball and I think correctly called,

1165
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 2: but incredibly fortunate because nobody knew what the hell was

1166
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Speaker 2: going on, and Zach Charbonnet walks over and picks up

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Speaker 2: a ball simply because.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a good guy.

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Speaker 2: He's like, you know what, I think maybe I'm a

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Speaker 2: pro athlete. I'll bend over and pick up the ball,

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Speaker 2: not the ref. He's an older gentleman, Hey, ref, here's

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Speaker 2: the ball. Next thing you know, it becomes one of

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Speaker 2: the most important plays of the entire NFL season if

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Speaker 2: that thing does not get reversed.

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Speaker 1: Did the Seahawks win the Super Bowl tonight?

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Speaker 3: Great question. So they wouldn't have gotten the number one

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Speaker 3: seed with it.

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Speaker 1: Probably not. Wow, they would not have been at home

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Speaker 1: during the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Huh huh.

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01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 2: So no, it's true, would they have one they could

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Speaker 2: have like you know, obviously these questions are unanswerable. Well,

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Speaker 2: but I just I think anytime you look at a

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Speaker 2: full season, you notice how razor thin these margins are.

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Speaker 3: Well and again, I know, I keep beating a dead horse.

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Speaker 3: And to the degree that Patriots fans are are listening

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Speaker 3: to to postgame right now, I think it's a great

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Speaker 3: question about the Patriots, right I mean awful division, I

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Speaker 3: mean the stat that still blows me away. Jason Smith

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Speaker 3: has said it in one of the you know, in

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Speaker 3: commercial reads. Eleven of their games this year. Of the

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Speaker 3: seventeen regular season games, we're against teams that eventually fired ahead.

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Speaker 3: Oh shit, including you know, obviously four games within their division.

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Speaker 3: And again, as you said last segment, I agree with

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Speaker 3: you one hundred percent. You take advantage of opportunities as

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Speaker 3: they present themselves. Doesn't change the fact though, that in

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Speaker 3: theory the Dolphins should be better under Jeff Hafley next year.

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Speaker 3: We'll see if that happens. I guess the Jets, and

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Speaker 3: theory could be worse. We'll see about the bill. The

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Speaker 3: pathway will not be easier for that team.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, definitely not. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely not

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Speaker 2: at all. But I like I use that as my

1203
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 2: rebuttal when someone's like, Seahawks, you're gonna win the next

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Speaker 2: three in a row, and no they're not.

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Speaker 1: No they're not.

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Speaker 2: It's just not like I just don't think I don't

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01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 2: think it works that way. Again, the margins are two

1208
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 2: razors thin. It's kind of like if I waited another

1209
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 2: minute to give the baton to Steve de Sager, then

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01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 2: we would get less Steve de Sager, and that's bad

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Speaker 2: for our analytics.

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Speaker 1: Those are the kinds of margins we work with.

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Speaker 6: So much to discuss about Super Bowl sixty. Seattle did

1214
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 6: beat New England dominant fashion, twenty nine to thirteen. Was

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Speaker 6: the final we must discuss the general manager of this

1216
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 6: Seahawks team. Little item of trivia for you. With Super

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01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 6: Bowl sixty at the forty nine ers Levi Stadium tonight,

1218
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 6: every game this postseason was played outside. First time that

1219
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Speaker 6: happened in over twenty years.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy.

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Speaker 6: So the Seattle GM is John Schneider. He's the first

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Speaker 6: GM now in NFL history to lead a franchise to

1223
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Speaker 6: multiple Super Bowls with two different head coaches and two

1224
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Speaker 6: completely different rosters, not just a new quarterback, the entire

1225
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Speaker 6: roster for Seattle is different compared to Russell Wilson, Richard

1226
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Speaker 6: Sherman era, the GM stay that never happens.

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Speaker 3: I will say I was thinking tonight gotta be a

1228
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 3: little bit of a dark night for Pete Carroll the

1229
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Speaker 3: way the Raiders thing goes, and then the dude who

1230
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Speaker 3: fired you immediately bounces back after he basically gives you

1231
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 3: the quarterback that you wanted. Anyway, credit to Josh Schneider

1232
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Speaker 3: had about Pete Carroll, but I had that, and.

1233
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 2: Then one there is assistant and so they come replace

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01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll right out of the game too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry.

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Speaker 6: Steve Clint Kubiak, the offensive coordinator for the Seahawks, dig

1237
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Speaker 6: confirm in an NFL Network interview afterwards he is leaving

1238
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 6: to become the Raiders head coach. But how about the

1239
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 6: draft to build this roster we saw tonight for the

1240
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Speaker 6: Seahawks because their first round pick last year is now

1241
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 6: starting lineman Gray's abel and they got Nick him and

1242
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 6: Warried's safety in round number two last year. The year before.

1243
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 6: Two picks of note Byron Murphy among the pressures on

1244
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 6: the defensive line. Tonight was their first rounder, and the

1245
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Speaker 6: guy who had the first touchdown tonight, tight and aj

1246
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 6: Barn Barner, was a fourth rounder. Twenty twenty three, they

1247
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 6: had two first round picks, Devin Witherspoon corner, Jackson Smith

1248
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 6: and Jigbit wide receiver, and they had two second round

1249
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 6: picks that year, defensive end Derrek Hall and Zach Sharbonett

1250
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 6: running back who was injured for tonight And the year

1251
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 6: before that, Seattle's draft starting tackle Charles Cross first round,

1252
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 6: Kenneth Walker, running back, second round. Walker wins Super Bowl

1253
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 6: MVP tonight, first running back to be Game MVP since

1254
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety eight Terrell Davis. Walker had twenty seven carries

1255
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 6: one hundred and thirty five yards was named Game MVP,

1256
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 6: although that coach is pretty good too. With this win,

1257
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 6: Seattle's Mike McDonald becomes just the third coach in NFL

1258
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 6: history to do all of this, and he's done all

1259
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 6: this in the last three years. To lead a top

1260
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 6: rank scoring defense as a coordinator, and then lead a

1261
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 6: top rank scoring defense as a head coach, and win

1262
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 6: a Super Bowl as a head coach. Bill Belichick did that,

1263
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 6: Chuck Noll and now Mike McDonald. They are the only

1264
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 6: three to have that on the resume. And since the

1265
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 6: crushing Super Bowl loss Seattle had against Tom Brady and

1266
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 6: company at the goal line, the Seahawks franchise has won

1267
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 6: its last four matchups head to head against the Patriots.

1268
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 6: Next season, New England will play at Seattle. They do

1269
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 6: not have a last play scheduled.

1270
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 3: Next year.

1271
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 6: New England will be playing at Seattle, at Chicago, at Jacksonville,

1272
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 6: at the Chargers. They'll be hosting Denver and Green Bay

1273
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 6: and Pittsburgh. All of those are playoff teams from this year,

1274
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 6: so that's a huge difference. For what you mentioned, The

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01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 6: bulk of their regular season schedule this year was against

1276
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 6: teams that wound up firing their coach. Seattle, by the way,

1277
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 6: in addition to hosting San Francisco and the Rams, will

1278
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 6: be hosting New England, Chargers and Bears. Seattle will play

1279
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 6: at Denver, Philadelphia, and of course at Rams and San Francisco.

1280
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 6: And as far as other things to pass along, this

1281
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 6: defense was the top scoring defense. The hardest d to

1282
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 6: score against in the NFL this year was Matthew Stafford

1283
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 6: MVP darn Wright. He was MVP because the Rams played

1284
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 6: this defense that we saw tonight three times. The Rams

1285
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 6: averaged twenty eight points a game against them. Everyone else

1286
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 6: averaged fourteen points a game. New England had only thirteen

1287
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 6: against this defense.

1288
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: Tonight.

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01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 6: ESPN says the Seahawks are the first Super Bowl champion

1290
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 6: to go their entire postseason run without committing a turnover.

1291
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 6: And that includes Sam Darnold, who had twenty giveaways in

1292
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 6: the regular season, most in the league. As you mentioned,

1293
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 6: most of that in the first half of the season.

1294
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 6: And my goodness was the pressure there tonight. Drake May

1295
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,480
Speaker 6: was sacked six times. He had two touchdowns, two interceptions,

1296
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 6: and a fumble. He was hit eleven times. Drake May

1297
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 6: was pressured nineteen times in this game. He also threw

1298
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 6: off target passes ten times, committed the three turnovers, win pressured.

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Speaker 6: The six times sack ties his career high so far.

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Speaker 6: But the winning quarterback is Sam Darnold. First time we've

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Speaker 6: ever had the starting quarterback win a Super Bowl after

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01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 6: playing for four other franchises, guys like Brad Johnson. Two

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01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,600
Speaker 6: others are Jim Plunket or Nick Foles. Four other franchises

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Speaker 6: and he.

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Speaker 3: Comes with this.

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Speaker 6: I mean guys that were on their fifthteam and got

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01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 6: to a Super Bowl, were like Chris Chandler with the Falcons,

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01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 6: and he lost to John Elwayer Earl Morrile at the

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01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 6: end of his career and lost to Joe Namath. This

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01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 6: had never happened, and Sam Darnold to have that low

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01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,759
Speaker 6: a passer rating his first year in the league and then.

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Speaker 3: Win a Super Bowl is unprecedented.

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Speaker 6: In fact, his first ever career playoff game last year,

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Speaker 6: he lost his first postseason start by double digits and

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Speaker 6: comes back the very next year to win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 6: That has never happened before. New England's offense the first

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01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 6: three quarters tonight, there were ten drives, eight punts and

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Speaker 6: one fumble and then one kneel down at the end

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01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 6: of the first half. Jason Myers a record five for

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Speaker 6: five on field goals. Sam Darnold finished with two hundred

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01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 6: two yards passing in a score Cooper Cup, six catches

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Speaker 6: sixty one yards. It was nine to nothing at the half,

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01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 6: twelve nothing early third quarter, nineteen nothing seattle early in

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Speaker 6: the fourth, and with two and a half minutes left,

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Speaker 6: twenty nine to seven was a blowout. For a Seattle

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01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 6: team whose record in early October was three and two.

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Speaker 6: After that, they went fourteen and one, including now ten

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Speaker 6: straight victories to end it. Next year's Super Bowl will

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Speaker 6: be at the LA Rams Stadium. Among the four NBA games,

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01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 6: the Clippers got forty one points from Kawhi Leonard and

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01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 6: one at Minnesota one fifteen to ninety six. The Clippers

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Speaker 6: Arena will host the NBA All Star Game next Sunday,

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01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:27,719
Speaker 6: and Houston's Alprin Shngoon was added to the All Star roster,

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Speaker 6: replacing Shay Gilgis Alexander on the World Team. SGA has

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01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 6: an abdominal strain. Luka Donsich of the Lakers out again

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01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 6: on Monday with his strained hamstring. College hoops Michigan dominated

1337
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 6: Ohio State women's basketball number two, UCLA one at number eight,

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01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 6: rank Michigan sixty nine, sixty six. The NHL is off

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01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 6: for the Olympic break. US women's hockey plays Monday against Switzerland.

1340
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Speaker 6: I've got to mention this. I watch and enjoy women's athletics.

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Speaker 6: I mentioned this last night, but this is the Switzerland

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01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 6: team that's going to face the US that just lost

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01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 6: to Canada and got out shot fifty five to six.

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01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,680
Speaker 6: So standing by, it's a little top heavy in the

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01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 6: women's game. Still, let's put it that way. Lindsey Vaughan

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01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 6: suffered a broken leg on a fall in the downhill

1347
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:12,879
Speaker 6: today at the Olympics. Early in her run, American Breezy

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01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,759
Speaker 6: Johnson took the gold. The US won the team figure

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01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 6: skating gold. NASCAR's dual races at Daytona or this Thursday

1350
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 6: night on FS one, the Daytona five hundred next Sunday

1351
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 6: on Fox TV, and pitchers and catchers report to spring

1352
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 6: training next week. The first full squad workouts start in

1353
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 6: a week. And let's not forget and this was so

1354
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 6: great just a few years ago. The World Baseball Classic

1355
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 6: is coming in March. Team USA's opener is in Houston

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01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 6: March sixth against the Brazil team, and the US will

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01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 6: have starting pitchers Trek scoobl of the Tigers, Paul Skeins

1358
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 6: of the Pirates, team captain Aaron Judge. Japan beat the

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01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 6: US in the last World Baseball Classic final. You might

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01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 6: remember sho Heo Tani pitching in relief and striking out

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01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 6: Mike Trout in the tournament. But the US catchers will

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01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 6: be will Smith and Cal Rawley. Also on the American

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01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 6: roster Kyle Schwarber and Bryce Harper and the Cubs Pete

1364
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,799
Speaker 6: Crow Armstrong and Alex Bragman cannot wait.

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Speaker 1: Spec to you. That should be fun.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I was gonna say baseball, you say there's not

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01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 3: enough teams in the women's hockey. We're opening with Brazil

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01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 3: in baseball and they expand it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I know with respect to the war Dog was

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Speaker 6: in and Panamon.

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Speaker 3: It was a Brazil sport in these days, yea Bernald

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01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 3: has a team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well all right, well hey yeah world Baseball.

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01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 6: Purusel of course gets to play on the Netherlands team

1375
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 6: because of course it's like Puerto Rico and the US relationship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love it. I love it, Steve, great stuff.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of of what's coming up, I wanted to throw

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01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 2: this at you real quick.

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Speaker 1: Aeron.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the next time we see an NFL game,

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01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 2: like a next NFL regular season game, will it be

1382
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 2: the exact same two teams?

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01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: Oh?

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01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 2: So, in theory, the Seahawks should be hosting the Thursday

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01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 2: night opener, right sure, right? Okay, so their opponents they're

1386
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,719
Speaker 2: home opponents for the upcoming season.

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01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: We don't know the dates yet.

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01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 2: Are the three division teams obviously Cardinals, Rams, forty nine Ers.

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01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 2: Their other opponents are the Cowboys, the Giants, the Chiefs,

1390
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 2: the Chargers, the Bears, and the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: Well, real quick, First of all, you would know this,

1392
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 3: don't San Francisco and La open in Melbourne? Isn't that?

1393
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Speaker 3: So they're off the table.

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01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 2: Not only off the table, but in theory, there is

1395
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 2: a proposal on the table they might be the next

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01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 2: regular season game because of that travel being so far,

1397
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:56,919
Speaker 2: there is discussion that that game might predate the actual

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01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 2: traditional NFL opener, but we don't know that yet.

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Speaker 3: There's been talk Week zero NFL.

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01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 2: Okay exactly exactly, but you know so, yes, Niners and

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01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 2: Rams off the table. Cardinals haha, uh, Giants, No, Chiefs, Bears,

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01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 2: Cowboys for the brand.

1403
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,799
Speaker 1: But you would think New England Patriots, right.

1404
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 3: I would say either Cowboys Bears with Caleb Williams or yes,

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01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 3: I think the Patriots probably actually does make a ton of.

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01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 1: Sense, or Chiefs Chiefs. I mean, I don't.

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01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 2: I wouldn't sleep on that either. I don't know if

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01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes plays in that game.

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01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 3: Though, That's why I don't. I don't Yeah, it's a

1410
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:45,600
Speaker 3: big risk. I mean, I know he's saying, all I

1411
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 3: want to be back for week one. I don't think

1412
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 3: that franchise can risk rushing him back in whatever it

1413
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 3: would be, nine months or whatever. So it would be risky. Yeah,

1414
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:56,799
Speaker 3: it'd be risky to put the Chiefs in that slot.

1415
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 2: So we're live in the Fox Sports Radio studios and

1416
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 2: coming up next, it's an all football night for sure,

1417
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 2: But this conversation will be inspired by what happened to

1418
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 2: Lindsey Vaughn today, so we'll get to that coming up next.

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01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 2: Erin Tooria's Mark Willard, Fox Sports Radio. You're listening to

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01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio Radio. Okay, these are the Fox Sports

1421
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 2: Radio studios.

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01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 1: That's Erin Tooria's. I'm Mark Willard.

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01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 2: I always have a hard time when people are like,

1424
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 2: oh man, hang them up, this guy, this gal, they

1425
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 2: need to retire, And I'm always like, I don't know

1426
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 2: if somebody is.

1427
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 1: Offering them money and they still want to play.

1428
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 2: And I actually think we greatly overstate this idea of oh,

1429
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 2: you're gonna tarnish your legacy.

1430
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 3: No one cares, No, no one cares.

1431
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 2: I have there's very few examples. Maybe Russell Wilson is

1432
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:04,879
Speaker 2: the best current one where I'm like, weird stuff started happening,

1433
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 2: and then you bothered everyone and now right and so

1434
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 2: now we have to like look through the weeds a

1435
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 2: little bit to remember your greatness and your super Bowl

1436
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 2: and all that. But like you know, the Michael Jordan's

1437
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 2: and go back to Willie May's and all of the

1438
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 2: things where they're like out there just not looking like

1439
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:23,799
Speaker 2: them themselves anymore.

1440
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 1: So what so like like so what But this Lindsay

1441
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 1: vonn thing today.

1442
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:34,720
Speaker 2: Just has me, It just has me really doing a

1443
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 2: deep sort of thought dive on the idea of when's

1444
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 2: when's the right time to like not do this to

1445
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 2: yourself anymore, to continue to thumb your nose at what is.

1446
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 2: Remember earlier we were talking about what a great job

1447
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 2: you did about listening to your body. Sure I feel

1448
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 2: maybe Lindsay didn't. Maybe maybe Lindsay didn't.

1449
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 3: Well it's certainly not going to hurt any legacy.

1450
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 1: Uh oh of course not.

1451
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's I'll say for me, it's pretty cool.

1452
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you why. Is about six seven years ago,

1453
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:16,600
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you this. I live I've lived in

1454
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 3: la since twenty twelve. I am the least LA person ever.

1455
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 3: I'd prefer to watch a college basketball game on a

1456
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 3: Tuesday rather than do whatever it is that people do

1457
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 3: in LA. But I did have a buddy who no,

1458
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 3: I bring it up because I had a buddy who

1459
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 3: worked for HBO and they did a documentary on Lindsay

1460
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 3: Vaughan probably about six seven years ago, and I actually

1461
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 3: that was probably maybe the only premiere that I've ever

1462
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 3: been to. And you know, I could look it up,

1463
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 3: but you know, her career was over, and I think

1464
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 3: I interviewed her or I at least spoke with her

1465
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 3: or something, and so then for it to come back out,

1466
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 3: so this camp, you right, two thousand and nineteen, it

1467
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 3: looks like so six years ago, already almost seven years ago,

1468
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 3: and so it was it's pretty cool that it's like, oh,

1469
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 3: she's just retired, and she's so retired that they're making

1470
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 3: documentaries about her career and that she came back. And

1471
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 3: I'm far from an expert on what it takes to

1472
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:14,839
Speaker 3: qualify but to qualify for the Olympics, but yeah, it's yeah.

1473
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 3: So and part of by the way, the documentary part

1474
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 3: of it was something to do with recovery from an injury,

1475
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 3: so gosh, maybe she should have listened to her buddy too.

1476
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm thinking about like you see this Lindsay Vaughn. Okay,

1477
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 2: torn acl so what I'm skiing right through it and

1478
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 2: now there's a helicopter flying through the air with Lindsay

1479
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 2: in it and we're heading to a hospital. Yeah, and like, okay,

1480
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 2: let's think about Philip Rivers. I don't know if you

1481
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 2: heard Ephram's point about Philip, which is a really really

1482
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 2: fun point. And Philip I don't think, like he didn't

1483
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 2: embarrass himself by any stretch. But at the same time,

1484
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 2: it's like, what's happening here. Ephraim's take on it was

1485
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 2: that it's one of the most brilliant things he's ever

1486
01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 2: seen in sports. The insurance because of the insurance exactly right,

1487
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 2: because he restarted his health insurance and he has four

1488
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 2: three hundred and thirty two kids, so health insurance is

1489
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 2: maybe even more important for him than anybody else. We're

1490
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 2: dealing with it watching the Warriors right now, like like

1491
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 2: you know, Lebron, but I mean, Draymond is not very

1492
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 2: good anymore, and we're supposed to believe that Jimmy Butler

1493
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 2: is just gonna pop out of an acl next year

1494
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 2: at age thirty seven, while Steph is closing in on

1495
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 2: thirty nine, and like, yeah, championship.

1496
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 1: We actually had this tough man, it's tough.

1497
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 3: Well, we had this exact conversation on our show last

1498
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 3: night because you know, obviously Mike dunleavy came out and said, oh,

1499
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 3: you know, Draymond wasn't really involved in.

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01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 1: Well, and we I heard the whole thing.

1501
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it always said, was okay, is it about

1502
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 3: nostalgia or actually trying to win? And if it's about nostalgia, say,

1503
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 3: and by the way, I obviously don't believe what he said, right,

1504
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 3: But if it is about nostalgia, say it's about nostalgia

1505
01:19:58,160 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 3: and it's not about winning. But if it is about winning,

1506
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 3: then you might have to move Draymond. And I'm far

1507
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 3: from a capologist, but my understanding is because of the

1508
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 3: way contracts work, he's probably the piece that has to go.

1509
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 3: And it's like, so just say, it's the nostalgia's over

1510
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 3: and we're trying to win and we appreciate what he's

1511
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 3: done and he isn't who he once was.

1512
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 2: Well, there's just ego dripping out of so many things

1513
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 2: going on in that whole conversation, and Mike took a

1514
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 2: wrong turn on a one way street and in the

1515
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 2: middle of a press conference found himself saying three things

1516
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:29,839
Speaker 2: and one of them at minimum has to be untrue.

1517
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 2: We went after Yannis, we did not include Draymond, and

1518
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 2: we told Jimmy he's staying I'm sorry, that's physically impossible. Yeah,

1519
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 2: if you went after Yannis, one of those contracts is

1520
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 2: in unless you were trading stuff, so you know whatever,

1521
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 2: no big deal. But yeah, that like to me, that

1522
01:20:56,360 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 2: all just falls in the ego category, and there's plenty

1523
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,600
Speaker 2: of that to go around in all of these conversations.

1524
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 3: Two lies and a truth, I think that's a game.

1525
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 2: So indeed, it is all right. That's Eron Torres. I'm

1526
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 2: Mark Willard. We'll get back to the Sam Donald situation next.

1527
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 1: Please, you're listening to Fox Sports.

1528
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 2: Radio Radio not done yet bringing this NFL Season two

1529
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 2: of close. We're broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.

1530
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:28,640
Speaker 2: The Seahawks are champs twenty nine to thirteen over the

1531
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:32,679
Speaker 2: New England Patriots. It look like, well a Seahawks game,

1532
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,759
Speaker 2: which is Sam Donald goes out there, plays some pretty

1533
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 2: good football doesn't make a lot of mistakes. Watches his

1534
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 2: defense dommn Nate, and that's exactly what happened again in

1535
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 2: this one tonight. And I'd love to sort of make

1536
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 2: most of our final hour about two things related to

1537
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 2: Sam Donald, And one of them is where does he

1538
01:21:56,439 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 2: now in the minds of most sit in the sort

1539
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 2: of framework of NFC quarterbacks going forward? And then the

1540
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:09,799
Speaker 2: other thing I'd love to get into is like, how

1541
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 2: bad should the Vikings feel about this?

1542
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:16,560
Speaker 1: Bad? Yes? But how bad?

1543
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 2: So first Aaron fire Away, like, roll through NFC quarterbacks

1544
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 2: until you get to Sam in terms of who you

1545
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 2: want quarterback and your team.

1546
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 3: Well, I think here's the thing that has to be

1547
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 3: considered is that we think of Sam Darnold because he

1548
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 3: was in the twenty eighteen NFL Draft, as this ancient dude.

1549
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 3: He will be twenty nine in June of twenty twenty six.

1550
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 3: He will be twenty nine years old. So as an example,

1551
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 3: Jordan Love is a little over a calendar year younger

1552
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 3: than him. Jordan Love will be twenty eight this calendar year.

1553
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 3: Sam Donald will be twenty nine this calendar year.

1554
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: Crazy, okay it is? And so I gues he's three

1555
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,920
Speaker 1: years older than Jayden Daniels. Yes, we so three years

1556
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: older than Jaden Daniels.

1557
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 3: And so that's right. No, No, that's That's what comes

1558
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 3: into this is you know, especially now this isn't a

1559
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 3: college football segment, but with guys staying in college longer

1560
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:26,799
Speaker 3: because of Nil he came into the league. I believe

1561
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 3: he was still twenty years old at the time, and

1562
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 3: so again, like it becomes the hypothetical of not only

1563
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 3: the talent, but you know, it's like the hypothetical of

1564
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 3: you know, when you're building a team, do you take

1565
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 3: the younger guy that hasn't really established himself versus the

1566
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 3: guy that might be thirty one thirty two. You know,

1567
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 3: it was kind of like, you know, when Brady was

1568
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 3: forty one, It's like, okay, well, if you're starting a

1569
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 3: franchise from scratch, or do you have to win a

1570
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 3: single game? And so Sam Donald is weirdly in that

1571
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 3: sweet spot of you know, basically he is just now

1572
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 3: in theory, entering his prime, coming off back to back

1573
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 3: fourteen win seasons, and I think there is an argument

1574
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 3: that he should be pretty high. So what I will

1575
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 3: say is this, obviously, Matt Stafford he is very much

1576
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 3: towards the end of his career. But I think based

1577
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:27,640
Speaker 3: on what he did this year, the fact that what

1578
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:31,759
Speaker 3: he did against that Seattle defense relative to everybody else,

1579
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 3: I think the rating MVP should be ranked ahead of

1580
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 3: Sam Donald. I personally, I know he's another guy who

1581
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 3: can be a little bit turnover prone. But obviously I

1582
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 3: think Caleb Williams, who is just now had just turned

1583
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 3: twenty four. He's still not that much old younger than

1584
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 3: Sam Donald, but I think twenty four years old with

1585
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:59,639
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson, I would take him as well. And then

1586
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:04,440
Speaker 3: in listen, you mentioned Jalen Hurts. You know, Dak Prescott

1587
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 3: had a semi career revival this year. He did, but

1588
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 3: you know, and then and then Willer. This is what

1589
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 3: makes it all so interesting to me anyway, And you

1590
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,559
Speaker 3: may disagree with all this and whatever is. You know,

1591
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 3: you start factoring in the circumstances around them, I guess,

1592
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 3: I guess what I would say is this, It becomes

1593
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 3: a different conversation if we're factoring in quarterback with the

1594
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 3: circumstances around them, or just pure raw talent. If you're

1595
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 3: starting an organization from scratch, you know what I mean,

1596
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:43,560
Speaker 3: Like like like Sam Donald with Mike McDonald with that defense,

1597
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 3: pretty appealing, especially you know again, I think to a

1598
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 3: guy that you've referenced a few times throughout the show,

1599
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 3: like Jaden Daniels, we know he's coming off of a

1600
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 3: bad year, but just fire, you know, new Oc not

1601
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 3: as much younger as Sam Donald, as you thought, a

1602
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 3: little bit more injury prone. So anyway, I'm rambling, and

1603
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 3: I'm kind of ducking your questions specifically, but it just

1604
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 3: I guess what I would say is, before I start

1605
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 3: ripping off names, I need a few more parameters, because

1606
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 3: I do think Sam Donald, with this defense, to a

1607
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:18,480
Speaker 3: point that you've made throughout the show, nothing is guaranteed

1608
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 3: in the NFL, but I do think there is a

1609
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 3: runway with a quarterback under thirty, a head coach that

1610
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 3: hasn't even hit forty yet, and I think you should

1611
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 3: be excited if you're a Seahawks fatal.

1612
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything unfair that you just said

1613
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 2: right there at all. I And honestly, the circumstances are

1614
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 2: kind of whatever the whatever the ranker would like them

1615
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 2: to be sure you get to look at this however

1616
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 2: you want. The circumstances are always going to be a

1617
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:49,520
Speaker 2: part of it. The one name you are very comfortable

1618
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 2: just saying, well, definitely ahead of Sam Donald is Matt Stafford.

1619
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 1: Well, Matt's the MVP.

1620
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 2: Super easy week to say that, and you sort of

1621
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 2: insinuated something. Richard Sherman just said on Twitter that actually,

1622
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 2: I'm really glad you brought it up because I wanted

1623
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 2: to address this. Well, no, Sherman says, so when the

1624
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:10,480
Speaker 2: MVP arguments are had, this tape should end the discussion.

1625
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 2: Stafford out on a master class against this same defense

1626
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 2: that May has eighteen yards against halfway through the third quarter.

1627
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 2: May had a great season, maybe an MVP in his future,

1628
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 2: but it was Stafford's year. I'm going to agree with

1629
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 2: all of that, but I would love to bring something

1630
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 2: up real quick.

1631
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 3: Laid on me.

1632
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 2: What do you think Matt Stafford would have done against

1633
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 2: this Seahawks defense if he had to do it in

1634
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 2: front of somebody else's offensive line. Sure, that's like to me,

1635
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:52,599
Speaker 2: that's the entire conversation. Stafford is great, There's no taking

1636
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 2: it away from him. He's the MVP, his top dog

1637
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 2: in the NFC statistically right now, he's the elder statesman.

1638
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 1: He's all of those things.

1639
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 2: But when you watch that Rams offense go against the

1640
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:07,720
Speaker 2: Seahawks defense, that the only offensive line that's just not

1641
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 2: getting manhandled. Sure, and so I think there are a

1642
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 2: lot of quarterbacks that, when given time in the NFL,

1643
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,839
Speaker 2: they move the football. These are the most elite throwers

1644
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 2: of the football in the world. So I don't make

1645
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 2: that all just about Stafford. But I'm comfortable with your

1646
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 2: pick taking all of those circumstances into account. You know

1647
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:36,559
Speaker 2: you mentioned Caleb Williams. Yes, I would be wooed by

1648
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:41,600
Speaker 2: the arm, talent and the athleticism that Caleb has. The

1649
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:44,720
Speaker 2: other candidates, and we can bat these around to me

1650
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:54,719
Speaker 2: are Jordan Love, Jayden Daniels, Dak Prescott, Brock Purty, Jalen Hurts.

1651
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 1: I guess maybe Jared Goff. That's the candidate left.

1652
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 2: And do any of those jump If it was like

1653
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 2: you and I both want Stafford and Caleb Williams first,

1654
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 2: sure I would. I would take Party. I think I

1655
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 2: would take Jordan Love. That's when I start scratching my

1656
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 2: head a little bit. I haven't forgotten what Jaden Daniels

1657
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 2: did his rookie year, but I might take at least

1658
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 2: a hold on that to see exactly what's going on

1659
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 2: there after last season. Injury is a big part of

1660
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 2: it too. But Sam is Sam is very good. Sam

1661
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:38,599
Speaker 2: is very good. I think those other four or five

1662
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 2: guys probably could have had a similar outcome with the

1663
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 2: same surroundings.

1664
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 3: Well, and I think it speaks to what we talked

1665
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:50,600
Speaker 3: about an hour two, which is exactly that. And it

1666
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,320
Speaker 3: was a great point that you brought up about how

1667
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:57,560
Speaker 3: we want to make this always the conversation about the quarterback.

1668
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:00,680
Speaker 3: But I mentioned it last hour, Tom Brady, you know,

1669
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl tally looks different if Adam Vinterteri, a

1670
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer as of this year, has never born.

1671
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:10,719
Speaker 3: You know, you know, you go out, you know, Mahomes

1672
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 3: hasn't played great in Super Bowls whatever, and so it

1673
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 3: is so much more than just the quarterback. And so

1674
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 3: I guess now that we're talking it out, I think

1675
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:24,720
Speaker 3: it's exactly what you said, is is it? The conversation

1676
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 3: cannot be dictated until we determine what the circumstances are.

1677
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 3: Because even somebody like CAYLEB Williams, like I love the talent,

1678
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 3: but I saw the talent with Matt Eberflues versus Ben Johnson. Yeah,

1679
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:39,639
Speaker 3: and so it's a conversation of again, is it we're

1680
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 3: starting a franchise tomorrow, who do you take? Is it

1681
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 3: given the guy and the circumstances around him, that's a

1682
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 3: different conversation. So if it is the circumstances around him,

1683
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:56,559
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this. I have my head of Jordan Love.

1684
01:30:56,840 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 3: I like Jordan Love. I don't you know, no pun intended.

1685
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 3: I don't love Jordan Love. I've long believed he he

1686
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 3: really rowe some coattails from that that first year where

1687
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 3: they got hot. At the end of the year they

1688
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:12,839
Speaker 3: beat the Cowboys in a standalone game where obviously everybody

1689
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 3: was paying attention to the playoffs. What was I gonna say?

1690
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 3: There was one guy? Oh, Jannon Daniels is the most

1691
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 3: fascinating one, right, because it becomes a conversation of what

1692
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 3: do you think his career played? Like listen, if you

1693
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 3: get twenty twenty four Jayden Daniels, then yeah, you take

1694
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels over over Sam Darnold. But do you get

1695
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four Jayden Daniels or do you get a

1696
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 3: quarterback that's you know, whatever? We think he is one

1697
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 3: hundred and ninety pounds two hundred pounds in a very

1698
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 3: physical sport that changes the variables. I'd be curious because

1699
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 3: you cover Party on a day to day basis. You know,

1700
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 3: I think I know where you stand on them based

1701
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 3: on some of those comments that you just made a

1702
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 3: second ago, but your thoughts on him, obviously the team

1703
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 3: has had obsess with other quarterbacks, even this year with

1704
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 3: Mac Jones. I'm not saying I have a strong opinion

1705
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 3: one way or the other. I'm curious on your perspective

1706
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:11,160
Speaker 3: on who he is, what he's capable of, but then

1707
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 3: also to his credit, what he was capable of this

1708
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:14,840
Speaker 3: year as there was a lot of injuries around him

1709
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 3: as well.

1710
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 2: I mean, the quickest way to compare Sam Donald and

1711
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 2: Brock Party And by the way, I know what you're

1712
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 2: going to say, Well, no, probably I left out Baker Mayfield.

1713
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 2: Bakers should at least be in this conversation too. I'm

1714
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 2: curious what you think about him, But quickest way to

1715
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 2: sum up Sam Donald and Brock Purty, Sam's got better

1716
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 2: arm talent and Brock's got better leg talent. I also

1717
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 2: think I would take brock Purty's surveying of the football

1718
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:47,559
Speaker 2: field his intuition, the way he processes is the way

1719
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 2: we usually talk about this. I would absolutely take that

1720
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 2: over Sam Donald. If you look at what brock Party

1721
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:58,760
Speaker 2: was largely playing in front of as far as an

1722
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 2: offensive line when they against especially when they went against

1723
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 2: that Seattle team, I mean, they're just there wasn't a chance.

1724
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 2: Now does Brock perty turn the ball over a little

1725
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 2: bit more than Sam does?

1726
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1727
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:15,760
Speaker 2: I mean, actually there he's got a better TD to

1728
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 2: interception ratio than Sam had this year. However you want

1729
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 2: to put it, I think you're looking at somebody who

1730
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:28,720
Speaker 2: is a more well rounded athlete. And I know how

1731
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 2: this is going to feel and land with people today.

1732
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 2: But if you really, like, if you want to be

1733
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 2: honest with yourselves and take the last four to five

1734
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:42,679
Speaker 2: years of football into account, Sam Donald has.

1735
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 1: Won a Super Bowl.

1736
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:50,599
Speaker 2: Brock Perdy has been to multiple NFC Championship games, been

1737
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:53,960
Speaker 2: to a Super Bowl, left that Super Bowl with a lead.

1738
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 2: I mean that's why I get kind of triggered by

1739
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 2: the whole. Like Sam one today, Now we're going to

1740
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:04,839
Speaker 2: elevate him in front of a bunch of other people.

1741
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 2: Sam's on the podium today crediting brock Party. We're teaching

1742
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:12,720
Speaker 2: him how to play football. Sure, he said that. He

1743
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:16,560
Speaker 2: said that an hour and a half ago. So yeah,

1744
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 2: I would take brock Party over Sam Donald.

1745
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 3: Let me just ask you this, And I know this

1746
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 3: is a night we should be celebrating the Seahawks and

1747
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 3: all that, but listen, you can't have a conversation about

1748
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 3: the Seahawks without talking about a team in their division

1749
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 3: that has made multiple Super Bowls in the last decade. YEP,

1750
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:35,519
Speaker 3: I guess my big picture question is like, what do

1751
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 3: we make of the forty nine ers going forward? Obviously

1752
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:42,600
Speaker 3: well coached, brock Party is younger than Sam Darnold. But

1753
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 3: the conversation is, of course, listen, George Kittle, we know

1754
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 3: how his season ended. Christian McCaffrey's about to be thirty

1755
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:50,880
Speaker 3: years old. Trent Williams is closer to forty than thirty.

1756
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 3: Nick Bosa is coming off injury. Like, I guess, just

1757
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 3: where do you And again, I know this is a

1758
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:58,800
Speaker 3: daily conversation that you have with your audience, but like,

1759
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:02,559
Speaker 3: where are you at with that organization as far as

1760
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 3: sustainability going forward? Because you know two things could be true.

1761
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 3: It's incredible what Kyle Shanahan did given the injuries, but

1762
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:16,960
Speaker 3: when you have that many guys that old at relatively

1763
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 3: in their careers, injuries almost have to be expected. And

1764
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:22,800
Speaker 3: I'd be curious just kind of what that conversation is

1765
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 3: for you on a daily basis in San Francisco.

1766
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got what They've got work to do, there's

1767
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 2: no question, And this year kind of made it look

1768
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 2: weird because I think they thought they were transitioning, rebooting

1769
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 2: their defense, getting a lot younger. I don't think they

1770
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 2: thought they were ticketed for twelve wins, sure, and then

1771
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:41,880
Speaker 2: when you start losing the names that they lost, to

1772
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 2: still end up with twelve wins is quite an accomplishment,

1773
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 2: which is why I still remain very high on the

1774
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 2: organization because I believe they've got their answer at coach

1775
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:55,559
Speaker 2: and they've got their answer at quarterback.

1776
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 1: Sure, and when you.

1777
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:59,719
Speaker 2: Have those two things, that's a great start. It's not enough,

1778
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:03,600
Speaker 2: as we've learned, but that's that's a great start. But

1779
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:07,559
Speaker 2: they've got a lot of work to do. If if

1780
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 2: you're going to be in a division with the Seahawks

1781
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:13,600
Speaker 2: and Rams, your defense has got to flat out be

1782
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:15,160
Speaker 2: faster and better.

1783
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 1: And so you know they're gonna get a little money

1784
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:19,559
Speaker 1: back with that.

1785
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 2: Ayuk thing that that that happened because they're going to

1786
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:27,440
Speaker 2: let him go and they're their draft and their free agency,

1787
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 2: uh is is going to be really really important. But

1788
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna buy stock on a Kyle Shanahan

1789
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:35,719
Speaker 2: team every single day of the week.

1790
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 3: Well and that that that the point that you just

1791
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 3: made is the only one that I would make. Is

1792
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 3: you know, you said they have the right coach in

1793
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 3: the right quarterback. The problem is three quarters of the

1794
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 3: division you could essentially say the same about. I know

1795
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:50,599
Speaker 3: Stafford is on a year to year kind of deal.

1796
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:52,800
Speaker 3: By the way, the other quarter of the vision you

1797
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 3: could say the exact opposite about. But that's another conversation

1798
01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:58,600
Speaker 3: for we don't have to talk Cardinals today, but that

1799
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:00,960
Speaker 3: would be my only thing in Yeah, no, and I

1800
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:02,800
Speaker 3: think you know and again we talked about this an

1801
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 3: hour two and people could go back and download the podcast.

1802
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:08,679
Speaker 3: But I think that's you asked me point blank if

1803
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:11,280
Speaker 3: I gave you an over under of or I think

1804
01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:13,720
Speaker 3: the phrasing was, do you expect Sam Donold to win

1805
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 3: another Super Bowl in his career? And my first intuition

1806
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 3: was yes, and then I thought about, forget that this

1807
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 3: is probably the weakest AFC champ we'll see in a while.

1808
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:29,240
Speaker 3: Forget whatever other variables in the NFC. You just within

1809
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:32,880
Speaker 3: that division, there's no guarantees. And to a point you

1810
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:34,920
Speaker 3: made is that you know, we don't even have to

1811
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 3: talk catastrophic injury. I mean, if there's just a high

1812
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 3: ankle sprain and you can't play for two or three weeks,

1813
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 3: that could be the difference between to the point that

1814
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 3: you made earlier home field advantage throughout the playoffs versus

1815
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 3: starting on the road here. And it's just it really does.

1816
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:53,040
Speaker 3: The division is just such a big variable in any

1817
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:55,080
Speaker 3: conversation big picture about the Seahawks.

1818
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there's no question about it, which leads us

1819
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 2: to kind of the second part of the conversation with

1820
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:07,799
Speaker 2: regard to flipping to another really tough division, and where

1821
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 2: does this entire super Bowl leave the Minnesota Vikings. I

1822
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:14,559
Speaker 2: would love to get into that, but I have an

1823
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 2: even more important question for you first erin, and that

1824
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:21,519
Speaker 2: is have you ever wiped with a piece of dry

1825
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 2: toilet paper and wondered is this as good as it gets?

1826
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:28,600
Speaker 2: It's not switched to life changing wet extra large flushable

1827
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 2: Dude Wipes because wetter just cleans better. Available in Amazon

1828
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:36,920
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1829
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:41,160
Speaker 2: We're not done yet. That's Aaron I mark the Vikings.

1830
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 2: How do they factor into all of this? I think

1831
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 2: there is a very clear lesson that the Vikings have

1832
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:53,840
Speaker 2: unfortunately learned here that we will unveil coming up next

1833
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:54,880
Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio.

1834
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:58,560
Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

1835
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:01,960
Speaker 4: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio

1836
01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:06,200
Speaker 4: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to

1837
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 4: listen live.

1838
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:11,560
Speaker 1: We're live in the five sports radio studios.

1839
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:14,720
Speaker 2: I don't care who you are, where you're from, what

1840
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:24,400
Speaker 2: your politics are. Be inspired by the fact that Bad

1841
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 2: Bunny was working at a grocery store ten years ago.

1842
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 3: My wife told me that, yeah, yeah.

1843
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, So whatever you're doing right now, whatever the hell

1844
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:39,040
Speaker 2: you're doing, you know you can change it. It can change.

1845
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:43,639
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that you're you're going to perform

1846
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:45,760
Speaker 2: at the Super Bowl ten years from now, but.

1847
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:47,400
Speaker 3: You're not saying it either though.

1848
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. Things can change in an instant. Just

1849
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:53,919
Speaker 2: ask the Minnesota Vikings.

1850
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:57,120
Speaker 3: That's what we call Segue and the biz folks.

1851
01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:03,599
Speaker 2: So here's my super for super super easy NFL lesson.

1852
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:06,599
Speaker 1: I've never been a coach at a high level, but.

1853
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:11,320
Speaker 2: I think you have to do whatever you can do

1854
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:18,720
Speaker 2: to eliminate the noise, the politics, the money, just eliminate

1855
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:22,639
Speaker 2: all of it. If you're an NFL team and you

1856
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:27,680
Speaker 2: find a quarterback who wins football games for you, forget

1857
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 2: everything else. Forget your plan, forget the money, forget the politics,

1858
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:41,840
Speaker 2: forget the draft capital, forget the status. Just do your best.

1859
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:46,080
Speaker 2: It's really hard, I've got to imagine, but wipe the

1860
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:51,640
Speaker 2: slate clean. We all understand why JJ McCarthy is the

1861
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 2: quarterback in Minnesota, but I just think it's a mistake

1862
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,360
Speaker 2: and he may end up being really good. But this

1863
01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:02,800
Speaker 2: is so it's so fickle and so tough. When you

1864
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:06,080
Speaker 2: find one, you have just got to be willing to

1865
01:41:06,160 --> 01:41:09,120
Speaker 2: embarrass yourself. We were just talking about Purdy a little

1866
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:11,840
Speaker 2: bit ago. This is the best recent example I can

1867
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:16,679
Speaker 2: think of. Famously, they had training camp with Purdy, last

1868
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 2: pick in the draft, Jimmy Garoppolo, a quarterback who had

1869
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:22,320
Speaker 2: taken the Niners to the Super Bowl in the past,

1870
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:25,439
Speaker 2: and Trey Lance, who the forty nine Ers had moved

1871
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:28,880
Speaker 2: Heaven and Earth in the draft to go Get a

1872
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:32,320
Speaker 2: year before, and he was slated to be the starter,

1873
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:36,559
Speaker 2: and they kind of wrapped camp and Kyle Shanahan ran

1874
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 2: by the owner, Jed Yorick, and just said, I just

1875
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:41,479
Speaker 2: want to let you know we got a little bit

1876
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:45,040
Speaker 2: of a weird thing going on. The mister irrelevant guy

1877
01:41:45,120 --> 01:41:46,160
Speaker 2: is the best quarterback.

1878
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:50,080
Speaker 1: Now. They started that year with.

1879
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 2: Trey Lance and then Jimmy came in and I guess

1880
01:41:55,880 --> 01:41:58,320
Speaker 2: luckily is not the wrong word. I don't know, but

1881
01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:03,040
Speaker 2: they both got hurt and then Perdy was born, and

1882
01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:05,519
Speaker 2: once he played well and took them to an NFC

1883
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:08,400
Speaker 2: title game, they were not afraid the next year to

1884
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:09,960
Speaker 2: be like, we're not going.

1885
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:10,759
Speaker 1: Back to Trey Lance.

1886
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:14,040
Speaker 2: All of the politics and money said that they should,

1887
01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:17,160
Speaker 2: but they didn't because when you find one of these guys,

1888
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:19,559
Speaker 2: my gosh, you hang on to them for dear life.

1889
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:21,240
Speaker 2: That's what Minnesota should have done.

1890
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 3: So I agree, and you know it's easy, Like I

1891
01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:28,800
Speaker 3: guess what I would say is this is that two

1892
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:32,559
Speaker 3: things can be true. You kind of understand in the moment,

1893
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:34,800
Speaker 3: and you know, the last two and a half hours,

1894
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:36,760
Speaker 3: you and I have been on air. We have very

1895
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:39,400
Speaker 3: much praised Sam Darnold. You know, we're starting to put

1896
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 3: them ahead of, you know, future Hall of famers. But

1897
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:46,360
Speaker 3: at the same time, you understood why it happened. But

1898
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:48,479
Speaker 3: I will also say that I agree with you. I've

1899
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:52,840
Speaker 3: always kind of never really understood. Like there's a couple

1900
01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:56,280
Speaker 3: things with quarterbacks that have never understood. And the first

1901
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:58,880
Speaker 3: one is finally starting to kind of ramp down. But

1902
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:02,960
Speaker 3: the whole like, you have to give this guy more

1903
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:05,960
Speaker 3: money than the last guy and make him the highest paid.

1904
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, why if he's not the best player in

1905
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:11,800
Speaker 3: the league, then don't pay him as such. And there

1906
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:14,559
Speaker 3: was like a five six year window where it was like, well,

1907
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:16,240
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, he's the next guy up, so

1908
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 3: he's got to be the highest paid. And finally we're

1909
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:20,640
Speaker 3: away from that whatever blah blah blah blah blah. But

1910
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:23,000
Speaker 3: the other one is exactly what you said. It's like, well,

1911
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:25,559
Speaker 3: we drafted a guy in the first round, so we

1912
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:29,160
Speaker 3: have to And to your point, clearly not everyone has

1913
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:32,240
Speaker 3: done that, because Trey Lance is obviously the extreme example

1914
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:34,759
Speaker 3: of the dude that not only never really got.

1915
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:36,360
Speaker 1: The shot, but never really earned a shot.

1916
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:38,680
Speaker 3: And it's very clear why that is the case, and

1917
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:41,920
Speaker 3: so I'm with you, and you know, I can't think

1918
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:46,080
Speaker 3: of a of a great example of a lot of

1919
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:48,640
Speaker 3: a lot of guys that whatever. But I also think

1920
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:50,519
Speaker 3: the other thing is true as well, is that I

1921
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:53,040
Speaker 3: think there are a lot of times where we rush

1922
01:43:53,320 --> 01:43:56,720
Speaker 3: young quarterbacks and rookie quarterbacks and simply because they were

1923
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:59,880
Speaker 3: a rookie, and not only just the whole, like you know,

1924
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:02,720
Speaker 3: not only just the whole. Uh, if you have a

1925
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:05,679
Speaker 3: guy but you've drafted somebody, you have to move off

1926
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:08,800
Speaker 3: the other guy, like Sam Donald. But I just think, listen,

1927
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:10,880
Speaker 3: I understand that you used a first round pick on

1928
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 3: this guy or that guy or whatever. But at the

1929
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:18,360
Speaker 3: same time, if you rush a guy in and if

1930
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Speaker 3: he's not ready, ninety nine percent of these guys aren't

1931
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:23,800
Speaker 3: Sam Donald, and five years down the road don't find

1932
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 3: themselves playing in Super Bowls. Once the guy's kind of broken,

1933
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:29,800
Speaker 3: he's kind of stays that way, and so in many

1934
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:31,800
Speaker 3: cases there isn't a better option. But that I think

1935
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:34,839
Speaker 3: the alternate is true as well, of not just moving

1936
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:37,959
Speaker 3: off guys when you have somebody because you drafted a quarterback.

1937
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:42,000
Speaker 3: But conversely, the need to rush a guy in if

1938
01:44:42,040 --> 01:44:45,040
Speaker 3: he's not ready, just because solely he's a first round pick.

1939
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Speaker 1: I mean, completely agree.

1940
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Speaker 2: I can think of some examples that do pop to mind,

1941
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:53,640
Speaker 2: and not all of them are perfect. I mean the

1942
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:57,040
Speaker 2: best example of all time is Tom Brady of course, right,

1943
01:44:57,120 --> 01:45:00,479
Speaker 2: And and you know, you've got all of the investment

1944
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:04,479
Speaker 2: and Drew bled so all of the cachet. But Dan

1945
01:45:04,600 --> 01:45:06,920
Speaker 2: who goes and wins the Super Bowl, Well then it

1946
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:09,600
Speaker 2: becomes easy. You can't bench somebody who just won the

1947
01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:12,720
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Although the Eagles and Nick Foles and that

1948
01:45:12,840 --> 01:45:15,639
Speaker 2: kind of thing was a little bit interesting and weird,

1949
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:18,800
Speaker 2: and I don't know if any of the options would

1950
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:21,840
Speaker 2: have ended up being proven right there, But how do

1951
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:23,800
Speaker 2: you feel that, oh, go ahead, no, I.

1952
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Speaker 3: Was gonna say, And I don't know if this is

1953
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:26,880
Speaker 3: where you were going, but the Eagles are actually a

1954
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:30,679
Speaker 3: great example of you paid Carson Wentz all this money, yep,

1955
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:32,439
Speaker 3: and it was like at some point it's like, well,

1956
01:45:32,439 --> 01:45:35,280
Speaker 3: he's not good. And another guy we talked about, Russell

1957
01:45:35,320 --> 01:45:37,120
Speaker 3: Wilson earlier, who kind of fits this bill as well,

1958
01:45:37,160 --> 01:45:41,000
Speaker 3: but like didn't really feel like anybody liked Carson Wentz

1959
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:43,639
Speaker 3: and Philly and clearly, at least at the time, people

1960
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:46,400
Speaker 3: were gravitating to Jalen Hurts. And that's probably another great

1961
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:49,760
Speaker 3: example of how it should be of if you are

1962
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:52,320
Speaker 3: that good and if the locker room believes in you,

1963
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:54,640
Speaker 3: then just go with the guy that people actually.

1964
01:45:54,360 --> 01:45:55,760
Speaker 1: Believe like completely.

1965
01:45:56,360 --> 01:45:59,160
Speaker 2: And you know, some of those are more like, well,

1966
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:01,880
Speaker 2: we don't know who we do like. We just know

1967
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 2: that it's not that guy. Yep, right, and so okay,

1968
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:08,479
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, get out of here. We don't even really

1969
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:10,720
Speaker 2: know what we're gonna do next, but get on out

1970
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:14,680
Speaker 2: of here. I'm even more looking at guys. It's like,

1971
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:17,320
Speaker 2: if someone comes in and wins a lot of football

1972
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:20,360
Speaker 2: games for you, I think you you almost.

1973
01:46:20,280 --> 01:46:21,680
Speaker 1: Always got to lean into that.

1974
01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 2: What about Tony Romo goes down and here comes Dak Prescott.

1975
01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:27,559
Speaker 3: Good call, it's a good one.

1976
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:31,240
Speaker 1: Now, Doc has not won at the highest level.

1977
01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:34,719
Speaker 2: But I do think if you look at where all

1978
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 2: sort of careers and things went from Mayor.

1979
01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:41,760
Speaker 1: Still feels like they did the right thing.

1980
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:45,200
Speaker 2: Sure, someone came in, he was winning games, and they went,

1981
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:46,840
Speaker 2: you know what, let's let's do that.

1982
01:46:47,479 --> 01:46:49,120
Speaker 1: Let's let's go with Dak Prescott.

1983
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:52,760
Speaker 2: It's so hard man, it's so hard because you do

1984
01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:55,639
Speaker 2: end up with egg on your face and if things

1985
01:46:55,720 --> 01:46:59,960
Speaker 2: don't go well, this can be something where coaches get fired.

1986
01:47:01,240 --> 01:47:04,040
Speaker 1: Get fired absolutely.

1987
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:06,040
Speaker 2: If you put all of your chips into one guy

1988
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:09,000
Speaker 2: and then two seconds later this guy over here is

1989
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:11,880
Speaker 2: winning you games and you go, let's do that. It's like, well,

1990
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:13,720
Speaker 2: you just use the seventh of the eighth pick in

1991
01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:16,680
Speaker 2: the draft on JJ McCarthy, or you just used the

1992
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:19,519
Speaker 2: third pick on Trey Lance and gave up three years

1993
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:23,599
Speaker 2: of draft capital to go do that. And I think

1994
01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 2: also this one got extra tricky because Sam withered down

1995
01:47:29,240 --> 01:47:33,680
Speaker 2: the stretch with Minnesota. Nobody brings that up in this conversation,

1996
01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:38,360
Speaker 2: but he lost the last two really really important games

1997
01:47:38,439 --> 01:47:41,559
Speaker 2: and did not look good doing it, and so it

1998
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:44,200
Speaker 2: would have been that that would have made it a

1999
01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:48,439
Speaker 2: little bit harder if you keep him. But you you

2000
01:47:48,520 --> 01:47:50,559
Speaker 2: mentioned something to what you were saying, which I really

2001
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:53,400
Speaker 2: think is the is the straw that stirs this drink,

2002
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:57,559
Speaker 2: and it's it's the whole idea of rushing rookies. The

2003
01:47:57,760 --> 01:48:02,479
Speaker 2: entire Green Bay Packers organization and is sitting here going, yeah,

2004
01:48:02,520 --> 01:48:04,360
Speaker 2: we'll just draft a guy in the first round and

2005
01:48:04,360 --> 01:48:08,040
Speaker 2: we'll just let him set, let him sit, and that's

2006
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:10,559
Speaker 2: worked out very well for them in the long rum,

2007
01:48:10,640 --> 01:48:14,800
Speaker 2: I would argue, well, and maybe that maybe that is

2008
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:16,960
Speaker 2: something that Minnesota could have looked at.

2009
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:21,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, exactly right, No, that's exactly right. And listen,

2010
01:48:21,439 --> 01:48:25,760
Speaker 3: I don't know everything that went into last offseason, but

2011
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:29,120
Speaker 3: I would venture to guess that Sam Darnold probably didn't

2012
01:48:29,120 --> 01:48:31,280
Speaker 3: want to leave. He just had the most successful career

2013
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:34,759
Speaker 3: season of his career. Like, you didn't have to commit

2014
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:40,799
Speaker 3: you know, again, the five years whatever, however many tens

2015
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:45,479
Speaker 3: of like there there was probably a middle ground where

2016
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:48,320
Speaker 3: you could have given him. Mark Willard, tell me if

2017
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:53,320
Speaker 3: I'm crazy, two year contract, you know, very you know, uh,

2018
01:48:54,360 --> 01:48:56,640
Speaker 3: very heavy as far as salary is concerned. But you

2019
01:48:56,680 --> 01:48:59,519
Speaker 3: don't have to commit to a million years. And if

2020
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:02,960
Speaker 3: he isn't good, you're out of it at some point

2021
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:06,759
Speaker 3: when JJ McCarthy is still somewhere near his rookie contract. Now, again,

2022
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:09,679
Speaker 3: I understand that in a perfect world, do you draft

2023
01:49:09,720 --> 01:49:11,360
Speaker 3: a guy and you want to take full advantage of

2024
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:14,960
Speaker 3: that rookie contract. But the alternative is you have the

2025
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:18,720
Speaker 3: situation that Minnesota finds itself in right now, which is

2026
01:49:19,120 --> 01:49:21,479
Speaker 3: you have a team built to win right now, you

2027
01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:23,599
Speaker 3: had a quarterback that can help you win right now,

2028
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:24,600
Speaker 3: you got rid of him right now.

2029
01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:24,920
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2030
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:27,479
Speaker 3: I just it feels like because I do agree that

2031
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:31,040
Speaker 3: people forget how bad Darnold was in that Week eighteen

2032
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:33,720
Speaker 3: game against Detroit and then in the playoffs. But I

2033
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:36,080
Speaker 3: would also counter by saying there had to be some

2034
01:49:36,240 --> 01:49:39,240
Speaker 3: middle ground where you don't commit to him for the

2035
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:43,519
Speaker 3: rest of you know, for forever, but you also don't

2036
01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:45,720
Speaker 3: have to move off of him after a fourteen win

2037
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:46,719
Speaker 3: regular season either.

2038
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:48,400
Speaker 1: I think there could have been.

2039
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:51,519
Speaker 2: It depends on what else he's being offered, and you

2040
01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:54,639
Speaker 2: know what he wanted, Like, Okay, you're probably right.

2041
01:49:54,720 --> 01:49:55,679
Speaker 1: Did he want to leave?

2042
01:49:56,040 --> 01:50:01,080
Speaker 2: No, But if Seattle's over here offering thirty or forty

2043
01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:06,120
Speaker 2: more million dollars, then yeah, he's probably gonna go. So

2044
01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:09,920
Speaker 2: they offered three years and like a hundred million dollars.

2045
01:50:10,360 --> 01:50:13,320
Speaker 2: If Minnesota could beat that in some way, or if

2046
01:50:13,320 --> 01:50:15,200
Speaker 2: they could do it on the annual, could they do

2047
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:18,559
Speaker 2: it two year ninety and keep him.

2048
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:19,360
Speaker 1: They could have.

2049
01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:21,960
Speaker 2: I still don't know if he would have taken it,

2050
01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:24,240
Speaker 2: but I do think it would have been smart to try.

2051
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:28,120
Speaker 1: And here's another reason. Why. Sometimes I also.

2052
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:30,280
Speaker 2: Look at the structure of a team and I go, Okay,

2053
01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:34,240
Speaker 2: what's the heartbeat of your team? What is the core

2054
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:39,040
Speaker 2: value of what you're doing? Where are you putting your finance?

2055
01:50:39,080 --> 01:50:41,479
Speaker 2: This is kind of actually a fun exercise for each

2056
01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:45,040
Speaker 2: of us to do. Go to your bank account and

2057
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:49,680
Speaker 2: look at could go look at it, and you will

2058
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:55,680
Speaker 2: learn your priorities. Like you will. Everybody can be oh, no,

2059
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:57,320
Speaker 2: I don't you know. We don't go out there, but

2060
01:50:57,520 --> 01:51:01,439
Speaker 2: go look at your bank account, and your priorities are

2061
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:05,680
Speaker 2: right there. So if I go to Minnesota's bank account

2062
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:10,200
Speaker 2: coming out of last year, what's my priority? What is

2063
01:51:10,280 --> 01:51:13,800
Speaker 2: my core of what I'm doing as a football team?

2064
01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:18,160
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson, there you go and you took his quarterback

2065
01:51:18,200 --> 01:51:25,160
Speaker 2: away and you totally devalued him. That to me is

2066
01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:28,840
Speaker 2: the underbelly of this whole thing, because now you can

2067
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:30,559
Speaker 2: all you got to do is look at his face

2068
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:35,400
Speaker 2: on the sideline. He's frustrated, and now the whole organization

2069
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:39,479
Speaker 2: is rethinking what they're doing because they're like, is this

2070
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:44,519
Speaker 2: are we doing thirty six million dollars a year for

2071
01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:47,200
Speaker 2: maybe the best receiver in the game, and then we're

2072
01:51:47,200 --> 01:51:50,679
Speaker 2: just gonna have him mad most of the time once

2073
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:55,840
Speaker 2: we're done playing. That's that's so you've got a misallocation

2074
01:51:56,600 --> 01:51:57,519
Speaker 2: situation there.

2075
01:51:58,280 --> 01:51:58,400
Speaker 1: Now.

2076
01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:02,639
Speaker 3: I think it is a fascinating conversation to have, and

2077
01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:06,559
Speaker 3: I think it sets up for just a fact, you know,

2078
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:09,040
Speaker 3: it sets up for a very fascinating offseason for Minnesota

2079
01:52:09,080 --> 01:52:11,559
Speaker 3: as well as far as what do they do? Where

2080
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:13,720
Speaker 3: do they go? Are they stuck with?

2081
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:14,519
Speaker 1: You know? Clearly?

2082
01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:18,880
Speaker 3: I mean O'Connell has said, like, you know, I think

2083
01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:20,760
Speaker 3: I'm paraphrasing, but I think he said something to the

2084
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:23,160
Speaker 3: effect of, we want to have competition at the quarterback

2085
01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:26,519
Speaker 3: spot like everywhere else. Yeah, that's not what they're saying

2086
01:52:26,760 --> 01:52:28,960
Speaker 3: in about twenty you know, they're not saying that in

2087
01:52:29,080 --> 01:52:32,400
Speaker 3: Chicago with Caleb Williams. They're not saying it in Tampa

2088
01:52:32,479 --> 01:52:35,640
Speaker 3: with Baker Mayfield. So, my goodness, what a what a

2089
01:52:35,680 --> 01:52:38,240
Speaker 3: situation they find themselves in. I think the other thing too,

2090
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:41,360
Speaker 3: specifically with the Vikings, and I know we're talking about

2091
01:52:41,360 --> 01:52:44,439
Speaker 3: this because of the Darnold aspect. I think it's becoming

2092
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:46,840
Speaker 3: increasingly clear that like Aaron Rodgers wanted to come their

2093
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:49,680
Speaker 3: last offseason too, and I don't know how much he

2094
01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:51,680
Speaker 3: has left in the tank, but he looked better this

2095
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:54,200
Speaker 3: year the JJ McCarthy did. So you talk about to

2096
01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:57,240
Speaker 3: the point that you brought up, when you have the

2097
01:52:57,280 --> 01:53:00,360
Speaker 3: guy in the building that is winning you fourteen games,

2098
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:03,360
Speaker 3: just figure out a way to hold on to him.

2099
01:53:03,400 --> 01:53:05,879
Speaker 3: And if you burn by the way, and this is obvious,

2100
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:10,519
Speaker 3: but it's true. People misuse first round picks all the time.

2101
01:53:10,760 --> 01:53:11,479
Speaker 1: All the time.

2102
01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:13,959
Speaker 3: Guys get hurt, Guys got legal issues.

2103
01:53:14,200 --> 01:53:14,400
Speaker 1: You know.

2104
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:15,920
Speaker 3: I don't mean to make light of it, but there's

2105
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:18,200
Speaker 3: a former first round pick I think, or early second

2106
01:53:18,200 --> 01:53:19,439
Speaker 3: I think it was a first round or a year

2107
01:53:19,479 --> 01:53:22,120
Speaker 3: ago who may have gotten into some legal trouble this weekend.

2108
01:53:22,160 --> 01:53:23,439
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to make light of it, but I

2109
01:53:23,479 --> 01:53:25,800
Speaker 3: just bring it up to say people burn first round

2110
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:28,280
Speaker 3: picks all the time. There are worse things to do

2111
01:53:28,360 --> 01:53:30,679
Speaker 3: than have a really good backup and last thing. Because

2112
01:53:30,680 --> 01:53:32,439
Speaker 3: I know I'm rambling and I keep cutting you off.

2113
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:36,840
Speaker 3: You're good, but you've seen this is a dude who's

2114
01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:41,080
Speaker 3: a first round pick, who has never really been seen

2115
01:53:42,320 --> 01:53:45,960
Speaker 3: is actually a very valuable asset to these organizations. You know,

2116
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:50,120
Speaker 3: Jimmy Garoppolo was the sexiest guy that you could get

2117
01:53:50,520 --> 01:53:53,559
Speaker 3: at the trade deadline many years ago. What you know,

2118
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:55,560
Speaker 3: what did Trey Lance get like a third fourth? I

2119
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:57,519
Speaker 3: don't know. The only point I'm trying to make is

2120
01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:00,400
Speaker 3: if you have McCarthy and you just don't play because

2121
01:54:00,439 --> 01:54:03,719
Speaker 3: Darnold's good, there's trade value there too. I've talked long enough,

2122
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:05,720
Speaker 3: but I think the broader point stands.

2123
01:54:05,400 --> 01:54:07,639
Speaker 1: And I think it's a very good point, no question

2124
01:54:07,720 --> 01:54:08,040
Speaker 1: about it.

2125
01:54:08,040 --> 01:54:11,320
Speaker 2: We're live in the Fox Sports Radio studios and no

2126
01:54:11,439 --> 01:54:15,320
Speaker 2: doubt helps some final thoughts still bouncing around as the

2127
01:54:15,439 --> 01:54:19,000
Speaker 2: NFL two. I can't wait. The NFL season twenty five

2128
01:54:19,120 --> 01:54:20,479
Speaker 2: twenty six has.

2129
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:20,960
Speaker 1: Come to a close.

2130
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:23,800
Speaker 2: The Seahawks are champs, and we're talking it out with

2131
01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:24,439
Speaker 2: Aaron Torres.

2132
01:54:24,479 --> 01:54:28,280
Speaker 1: I'm Mark Willard on Fox Sports Radio. You're listening to

2133
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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio Radio. Well, we're sitting here live.

2134
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Speaker 2: In the Fox Sports Radio studios, Mark Willard Eron Torres,

2135
01:54:41,800 --> 01:54:45,000
Speaker 2: and indeed, the NFL season has come to a close.

2136
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:49,480
Speaker 2: The Seahawks are champs over the Patriots twenty nine to thirteen.

2137
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Speaker 1: Hey, one more reminder.

2138
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2139
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2140
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2142
01:55:03,120 --> 01:55:05,480
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2143
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Speaker 2: always pop up at the top of your screen.

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Speaker 1: Fun with you tonight as always, my man.

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Speaker 2: We started off the show by saying that you and

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Speaker 2: I both like, congrats to Kenneth Walker and salute to

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Speaker 2: Sam Darnold, but I am making the entire Seahawks defense,

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Speaker 2: not just the MVP of the Super Bowl, but the

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Speaker 2: MVP of the entire year.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to argue record setting performance from that defense.

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Speaker 3: I actually at times I just felt bad for Drake

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Speaker 3: May and you know, you and I were again talking

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01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:47,520
Speaker 3: before we came on air, and it was the chicken

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01:55:47,560 --> 01:55:51,000
Speaker 3: in the egg thing of at some point it felt

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Speaker 3: like McDaniels and Rabel. I know, Rabel's not the offensive

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Speaker 3: court and anything, but they had to open it up.

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Speaker 3: But it's like, what are you opening it up too?

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Speaker 3: You know, you got guys that can get open WI deep.

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Speaker 3: You can't run the ball, And it was just one

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Speaker 3: of these things where I think they were just hoping

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Speaker 3: and hoping and hoping that the defense could keep them

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Speaker 3: in the game, and then once it got to nineteen nothing,

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Speaker 3: you kind of knew they had to open things up

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Speaker 3: a little bit, but never really had a chance. And

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Speaker 3: the question that I wanted to ask you before the break, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I've mentioned a few times, but I I want to

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Speaker 3: appreciate the Patriots story. I think we're getting a major

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Speaker 3: regression next year. Good you're curious for your thoughts?

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Speaker 2: God, yeah, I mean you think because again, one of

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Speaker 2: my themes all night has been sports is more circumstantial

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Speaker 2: than we would like to think. And the Patriots this

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Speaker 2: year played a fourth place schedule and next year they'll

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Speaker 2: play a first place schedule.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: And so add in that along with again, when you succeed,

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01:57:03,560 --> 01:57:06,839
Speaker 2: other teams spend a whole offseason breaking down your film

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Speaker 2: and trying to figure you out. You still have a

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01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:13,720
Speaker 2: very very young quarterback, You had a lot of close

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01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:17,320
Speaker 2: games go your way. There's a regression to the mean there.

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Speaker 2: It's why I was, Now this is a bad example,

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Speaker 2: but I was not high on the Chiefs coming into

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Speaker 2: this year, and the reason was if you looked at

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Speaker 2: their wins last year, it's like, well, you cannot sustain

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01:57:29,320 --> 01:57:33,000
Speaker 2: winning games like that. You cannot just do miracle after miracle.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you another team that I really like, but

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Speaker 2: I would bet on regression next year, and it's the

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Speaker 2: Chicago Bears, no doubt, because you just it's not sustainable

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Speaker 2: to win football games that way.

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Speaker 1: So don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 2: If I'm a Patriot fan, I'm feeling really really good

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01:57:53,280 --> 01:57:56,720
Speaker 2: because I think I think the guy is a star.

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01:57:57,040 --> 01:58:00,160
Speaker 2: I think that quarterback, I think Drake May is going

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01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:03,200
Speaker 2: to be a star in this league for a really

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Speaker 2: long time. But fourteen and three super Bowl. Give me

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Speaker 2: a break, Give me a break and ask Dan Marino

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Speaker 2: about losing the super Bowl really earlier in your career

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Speaker 2: and thinking, don't worry, we'll be back. Go and check

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Speaker 2: with them in the exact same division, by the way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah no, And it's funny because I think sometimes it's hard.

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Speaker 3: You know, Listen, we all know what the super Bowl

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01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:30,240
Speaker 3: hangover is. We all know statistically, if you make the

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Speaker 3: super Bowl and you don't win, the likelihood that you're

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Speaker 3: anywhere close to being back the following year is slim.

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Speaker 3: But I think sometimes it's hard to see it. And

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01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:41,720
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. But to the point

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Speaker 3: that you've made throughout the show, you know, stuff is circumstantial.

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Speaker 3: This one just feels like it is very easy to see.

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Speaker 3: And I think even part of it is it's not

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Speaker 3: just the last play schedule to the first play schedule,

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Speaker 3: which I think is important, but even the kind of

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Speaker 3: breaks you got along the way, even in the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: obviously most notably playing the Broncos without their starting quarterback

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01:59:03,800 --> 01:59:08,920
Speaker 3: in a snowstorm in a snowstorm. Nonetheless, you know, CJ. Stroud,

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Speaker 3: you want to give credit to the Patriots defense as

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Speaker 3: much as blame the Texans offense. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: and then you see what it looks like against an

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Speaker 3: elite team, which is something that they just I don't

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Speaker 3: think they faced at any point in the playoffs until

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Speaker 3: Sunday night in the Super Bowl. Then you could start

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Speaker 3: to see, oh, they're actually you know, like the Rams

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01:59:29,400 --> 01:59:32,800
Speaker 3: are probably closer than the Patriots actually are. It's just

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01:59:32,840 --> 01:59:36,680
Speaker 3: the path that they got was advantageous and so not

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01:59:36,800 --> 01:59:39,360
Speaker 3: rooting against it, but I just think it's tough to

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Speaker 3: ask for them to do it again.

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Speaker 2: You want to hear not just I know earlier we

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Speaker 2: were playing with Seattle's opponents trying to figure out what

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Speaker 2: the opening night Thursday night football game would be to

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Speaker 2: start the year next year. Sure you want to listen

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Speaker 2: to the new England Patriots opponents next year.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at it right now.

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Speaker 1: To the road games.

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Speaker 2: This is where the Patriots will travel this year, in

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Speaker 2: no particular order because we don't have dates and all

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Speaker 2: of that yet. Obviously you know that they will travel

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Speaker 2: to all of their division mates, so they do get

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Speaker 2: to go to the Jets. They'll go to the Dolphins.

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Speaker 2: They will go to Buffalo and take on the Bills.

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Speaker 2: They will also go to Chicago. They will go to Detroit,

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Speaker 2: they will go to Kansas City, they will go to

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Speaker 2: Solfi to play the Chargers. They will go to Jacksonville,

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Speaker 2: and they will go to Seattle a lot.

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Speaker 1: Those are their nine road games.

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Speaker 2: Man, if you line those up right now, I don't

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Speaker 2: know that they'd be favored in more than two or

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Speaker 2: three of them.

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Speaker 3: Since say, hard to see a three loss season ahead

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Speaker 3: for them next year.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how the hell they get more than

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Speaker 2: three or four wins on the like on those road games,

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Speaker 2: just the road games. That leaves out that obviously, Buffalo

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Speaker 2: and Denver and Green Bay and Minnesota and Pittsburgh are

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Speaker 2: all coming to their place.

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Speaker 1: Hey Bud, great talking to you.

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Speaker 3: Had an absolute blast.

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Speaker 2: Wo Man Tons of fun, Man four Aaron Toys. I'm

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Speaker 2: Mark Willard, Fox Sports Radio,