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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Hey, hey, hey, hey, oh nice, welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the show. Um, let's see, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: just talk about TV and ship so what else? What? What? Hey? What?

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Speaker 1: What's your favorite historical group of people romanticized version? You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about like pirates, Vikings, Ninja's, uh, Canadians historically,

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Speaker 1: Like what do you like? Yeah? I want to I

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Speaker 1: would hang out with them. There is something so I mean,

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Speaker 1: everybody knows this. Pirates are so awesome because they had

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Speaker 1: such interesting, wild lives and they had such a blurred

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Speaker 1: line between legal and illegal and right and wrong. There's

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Speaker 1: something cool about them, for sure. And they're so democratic

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Speaker 1: right right and stuff like that. So that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: But yes, very romanticized versions. I think in practice I

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Speaker 1: would really dislike being a pirate. Yeah you would. I

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Speaker 1: would hate it. But most most most exciting lives and

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Speaker 1: history are very uncomfortable. I never want that. You know

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Speaker 1: what you'd love about it not having to decide what

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Speaker 1: you're going to eat every day, That's true one thing.

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Speaker 1: And here's what you get. You get salt, you get

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Speaker 1: what it was a hard tack. Yeah, and maybe fish

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Speaker 1: if you're lucky, a potato raw potato because you hate

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Speaker 1: choosing food. I do, I really do. You're not a

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Speaker 1: big fan of eating food. I generally and it depends

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Speaker 1: when we travel. I eat very well, But just like

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Speaker 1: everyday maintenance food is so boring to me. I wish,

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Speaker 1: I wish food was something you could do just for fun.

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Speaker 1: We could just take a pill with all the nutrients

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Speaker 1: and makes you feel full for like, you know, days

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Speaker 1: when you're you know, busy, and you're freaking I don't

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Speaker 1: feel like it. Yeah, no, that's that's what you told me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you said, if I could never anything again, if I

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Speaker 1: could only, if I could just absorb nutrients through the

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Speaker 1: air like a plant, just go out with some light.

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Speaker 1: Remember you said, all I want to do is sprout leaves,

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Speaker 1: root myself into the ground, grow some bark, and have

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Speaker 1: an owl live in me. And that's and then you'd

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Speaker 1: be happy. I would not be unhappy as a tree,

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Speaker 1: I think, as long as it's not you know in

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Speaker 1: America's If only I could wish to be as happy

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Speaker 1: and smiling as a tree, that's not it, But wasn't

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Speaker 1: it poem? I think that I shall never see a

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Speaker 1: poem as lovely as a tree. Oh, okay, well, um,

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Speaker 1: and it's a poem. So she's already saying like this

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Speaker 1: is the kind of a better trees out there than

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Speaker 1: poem than this. And I'm writing here, Joyce Kilmer, by

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Speaker 1: the way, Wow, I've I've I've murdered a tree just

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Speaker 1: I could write down this terrible poem about how trees

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Speaker 1: are better. This poem should have stayed a tree. This

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Speaker 1: poem should not exist here we are. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: what do you think? What would be your Oh? I don't,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I love, I don't know. After the

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Speaker 1: pere Vik and Tokalitu episode, it's kind of like, man,

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Speaker 1: you know what, just the simple tundra life, the simple

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Speaker 1: tundra A line about it, well exactly. But there's no worries.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just like you're only worries. There's no U

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Speaker 1: manufactured nonsense worries. It's all just like true survive. I

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Speaker 1: just need to live and every day it's just like

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Speaker 1: some great time to wait for tomorrow, like there's some

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Speaker 1: to me, kind of relaxing, a little meditative. I see that. Well,

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Speaker 1: if somebody knocked on your door and said, hey, why

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Speaker 1: don't you be emperor of this country? What country? Would

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Speaker 1: you want that to be? Um? Emperor of any country?

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Speaker 1: If I could be emperor of a country, well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, I feel like it would be irresponsible of

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Speaker 1: me not to say the United States, because because there's

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Speaker 1: so much with no emperors except for Beyonce, but there's

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Speaker 1: so much potential good that the US could be doing,

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Speaker 1: My grandfather always said this country would be a much

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Speaker 1: better place with a benevolent dictator, but I just don't

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Speaker 1: family that sounds like, yeah, what about you? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's tough because I was thinking about Terry Pratchett, a

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Speaker 1: great author who in one of his books was talking

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Speaker 1: about that very thing. This is like, if you have

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Speaker 1: the guy next to him? Is he a good adviser?

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Speaker 1: you if you knocked down my door and you said, look,

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Speaker 1: I'd pick something small, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, like a Luxembourg. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think its because, you know, it just seems I'd

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Speaker 1: funk all, y'all, I'm a terrible imprayer. I'm sick of

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Speaker 1: here a day three. You'd be like, well, good, I

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Speaker 1: made all these people over here happy. What you're mad? Uh,

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Speaker 1: screw it, I'm out by. I like Daniel dy Lewis,

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Speaker 1: like hanging out reclusive as a cobbler. Yeah, but people

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Speaker 1: So they'd be like, what a bit Daniel dey Lewis.

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Speaker 1: They're like, oh wow, he's so intellectual and awesome, but

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Speaker 1: like a girl. I thought you were saying women can't

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Speaker 1: make shoes. Um, women can make shoes. Yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: prefer to wear them than to make them. But that's

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Speaker 1: true of many things. You heard it here. First, folks,

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Speaker 1: women can make shoes. That's the official stance of Ridiculous Romance.

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Speaker 1: Make believes do not necessarily reflect those if I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio or any of our sponsors, but we think women

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Speaker 1: can make shoes. Women can be cobblers just like men. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So no emperorship for you if you just want to

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Speaker 1: make some shoes. Um, I mean not really know. What

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Speaker 1: I've gotten from this conversation is you would rather drop

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Speaker 1: everything and go be a cobbler like Daniel day Lewis settled.

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Speaker 1: All right, No, I just made some texts and it's

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Speaker 1: official and we've got We've set you up with a

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Speaker 1: with a cobbler ship. I want some cobbler blueberry or

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Speaker 1: like a raspberry tart. All right, we'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get a collar. No, no no, no, alright.

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Speaker 1: All these talk of emperors empress is. This brings us

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Speaker 1: turned into so much more because Paolo emailed us and

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Speaker 1: told us about this story after our Sorwana de la

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Speaker 1: because we've definitely been looking for episodes from all over

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Speaker 1: the world. If you have any, always send him our way.

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Speaker 1: So Paula sent us the story of Carlotta and Maximilian,

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Speaker 1: the Emperor and Empress of Mexico, which I thought was

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Speaker 1: Princess Charlotte and the Austrian Archduke Maximilian were this married

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Speaker 1: being the Emperor and Empress of Mexico. It's outrageous, But

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Speaker 1: like I said, what's even crazier is what led them there.

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Speaker 1: So in part one here we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: at their jobs. How dare they could so I say,

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Speaker 1: we jump right in. Yeah, let's do it. Hey the French,

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Speaker 1: come listen. Well, Eli and Diana got some stories to tell.

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Speaker 1: There's no match making, a romantic tips. It's just about

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Speaker 1: ridiculous relationships, a lover. It might be any type of

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Speaker 1: But if there's a story, were the second glance Ridiculous

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Speaker 1: Roles A production of I Heart Radio. Marie Charlotte Emily

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Speaker 1: Augustine Victoire Clementine Leopoldine, or Charlotte, as she was known

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Speaker 1: as a child and a young woman. Ain't nobody got

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Speaker 1: time for that. She was born on June seven, eighteen forty,

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Speaker 1: Queen Victoria herself of Great Britain and Ireland. So you know,

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Speaker 1: this is so uncomfortable. Her mother personally oversaw her education,

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Speaker 1: and she thought Ovid's work was childish metamorphosis. What is

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Speaker 1: So maybe it is childish. I don't know. I like

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Speaker 1: It isn't childish. It's perfectly suited for grown ups, just

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Speaker 1: author Mira kirk Voard said that Charlotte believed royalty was

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Speaker 1: Sorry George, I don't know, stank breath or something. He

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Speaker 1: these royals like having all the input, Like we're of

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Speaker 1: totally separate kingdoms, but we all get together and decide

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Speaker 1: happily ever after. No they didn't, but we'll get into

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Speaker 1: their royally messy story right after this. All right, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. So so far, I mean, they

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00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: seem like pretty cool people. Now. Max is super progressive,

427
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: he's optimistic, dude, he's horrified to his own monarchy's treatment

428
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: of peasant rebels. Cool Charlotte sharp, clever woman who pushed boundaries,

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00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: married for love. I mean, they both seemed pretty cool

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00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: to me. So how did they end up getting into trouble? Well,

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00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 1: they did the worst thing that European wills could do

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00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: in these challenging times. They were good at their jow

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00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: o my god, who is like the Kings like disgusting.

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00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: I won't stand for it. The things they do are working.

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00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: But let's start with their marriage. Um, we know that

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00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: Charlotte fell pretty hard, pretty quickly for a Maximilian. I mean,

437
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: she found him handsome enough, but what she was really

438
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: drawn to was his fresh new liberalism and his compassionate

439
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: ideas about ruling. Because again, she's a smart lady. She's like,

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00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: this guy seems cool and they're you know, they're really

441
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: in tune with what all the cool kids are saying. Totally.

442
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: He's like the Jack Caro whac of her time. Yeah,

443
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: I want to hang out with this kid with long hair,

444
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: plays the guitar, or like the Jojo Siwa for like

445
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: a more modern reference. Maybe I'd love to see a

446
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 1: picture of Maximilian and Jojo si was out. But just

447
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: how mutual was this attraction? Well, when he sat down

448
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: to negotiate his dowry, Max reported he said, quote, she's short,

449
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: I'm tall, which must be she is brunette. I'm blonde,

450
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: which is good too. She is very intelligent, which is

451
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: a bit annoying, but I will undoubtedly get used to

452
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: it with his friends. And he's like she's just so annoying.

453
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: She's always thinking, when she has ideas, when the opinions

454
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: of things. But you know, eventually, I'm sure it will

455
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: just blur into the background, feel like any other day

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00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,479
Speaker 1: any other woman. You know, at least I'm tall. She

457
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: should That's the main thing I cannot do it. Also,

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00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: how about negotiating a dowry? I love that, Right they

459
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: sit down at the table, They're like, all right, let's

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00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: talk numbers, talk numbers. How much you gonna give me

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00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: to take this bitch off your hands? I mean that's

462
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: kind of what it was. So weird, Like I guess

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Speaker 1: I need to look into dowries because sometimes the groom

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00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: would settle money on the woman. Sometimes the dad have

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00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: to give money to the groom, right right, And I

466
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: don't really understand when which would happ kind of like

467
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: who's benefiting here? I guess it makes me think of

468
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: like guests on talk shows. I'm like, you're you're there

469
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: to promote your movie, so it's a benefit for you.

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00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: But the talk show is like tune in tonight to

471
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,959
Speaker 1: watch Chris Emsworth, so it's a benefit to me. So

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00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: who's getting paid both? I don't know. They just paid

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Speaker 1: each other. They just hand a thousand dollar bill back

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00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: and forth a few times. Yeah, no, it's and then

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00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: there's just like used car salesman aspect of it too,

476
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: you know, like he slaps the bride and he's like,

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00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: you could fit so many babies in this baby, and

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00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: she's just like, I guess I'll take up, but I'll

479
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: need three thousand acres in Salzburg. Okay, I can give

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00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: you two thousand acres. I'll throw in an undercarriage wash,

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00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: how about that. I So negotiations were handled. Max was

482
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: prepared to get used to Charlotte's annoying intelligence, and everybody

483
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: was pretty excited about their marriage, so they're big fancy.

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00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: Wedding was held on July eighteen fifty seven in the

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Speaker 1: Royal Palace of Brussels, and everybody was there, Kings, queens, emperors, archdukes, archduchesses,

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Speaker 1: viceroy's vice reigns. I mean I liken it to like

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00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: I think of like Prianka Chopra and Nick Jonas getting married, right, like,

488
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: like nobody really cared too much about them individually, and

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00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: they never saw them as major players. But we're happy

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Speaker 1: for them and they'll certainly be like perfectly acceptable, mid

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Speaker 1: tier royals, likable enough without making any big historical waves,

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Speaker 1: you know, just like Nick and like you know you're

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00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: gonna welcome a lot of crazy jack. I'm saying that

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Speaker 1: they're great. I love them as a couple. They're just not.

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Speaker 1: It's it's I'm not ang and saying they're not Beyonce

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Speaker 1: and jay Z. So don't come at me. Jonas stands,

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00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: Priyanka stands. I met Chopper once. She was she was nice,

498
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: she was working, she was working, and I wasn't gonna

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00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: bother her. That's always like very talented red flag. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know this sounds like the met Gala of weddings.

501
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: Like every famous person is probably dressed to the nine

502
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: exactly and showing up in some red carpet processions, right,

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00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: and most of them were like, who's this for? I

504
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: don't know, it doesn't matter. Just so, Charlotte was seventeen

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00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: and Max was twenty five, and they got married. They

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Speaker 1: moved to this royal palace in Italy where he would

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Speaker 1: rule as viceroy, and French Emperor Napoleon the third gifted

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00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: them a bust of Charlotte that he had commissioned and

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Speaker 1: today that bust is on display in Florence, Alabama. What No,

510
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: not joking. This nineteenth century bust, commissioned by the Emperor

511
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: of France is behind glass currently at Pope's Tavern and

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Speaker 1: Museum in Florence, Alabama and the northwestern corner of the state.

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00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: I didn't know there was a Florence, Alabama, but apparently

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00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: they've got some fine nineteenth century European art. It's not

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00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: two things. If more museums had taverns, I'm just saying true,

516
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: people might go and not those and not those ritzy

517
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: cafes where it's like nineteen dollars for the worst sandwich

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00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: you've ever had. I'm talking about a hobbit tavern where

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00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 1: looking for I would get an annual past. All nearby

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00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: museums if they had take note curator, yes and find

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Speaker 1: What are you saying they should have hobbits singing songs?

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00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: They're they should just encourage the sing Yeah, exactly, just

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00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: encourage the environment of hobbit tavern. That's I'm looking for

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00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: it in my life. Yeah. The second thing is this

525
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: is weird. It's a weird place for this bus to

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00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: end up. On the other hand, Florence, Alabama might need

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00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: a bus to somebody to bring you to Florence, Alabama.

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00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: I will say, you know, no disrespect to our neighbors

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Speaker 1: in Alabama. Um. When I was in high school in

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Speaker 1: uh in ap art history, we took a field trip

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Speaker 1: to Birmingham and I remember being like, the hell are

532
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: we going to Alabama for for art history class? And

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00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: they had an incredible museum as beautiful city and this

534
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: art museum was gorgeous and they had Van Goh and

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00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: like everything. It was really amazing. Yeah, Birmingham is cool. Alabama.

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00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: There's some pockets in Alabama. Absolutely, it's it's a bad rap,

537
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: but there's some good ship in Alabama. And you know,

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00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: just just saying, as much as you want to make

539
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: fun of Alabama being backwoods or something, I will say

540
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: they spend more money on arts and history and museums

541
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: than Georgia. Georgia is usually fort in that kind of

542
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: investment in this country, and so they're better than us.

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00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: Think about that, Georgia, Alabama is better than us. Do

544
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: something about Georgia. That's my nonprofit soap box. I'm getting off,

545
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: getting off it now. So back to the story. Max

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00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: and Charlotte married there in their castle. He's Viceroy of

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00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: Marty Venetia, and in his first year Max actually did

548
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: pretty well as viceroy um He worked really hard to

549
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: win over all these different sections of the populist and

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00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: try to make them happy. He went to universities and

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00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: courthouses and invited economists to come and help reorganize the provinces,

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00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: which had been bureaucratized into a depression by years of

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00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: military control. So he's basically like, come on in here

554
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: and fix all this mess. But experts who know what

555
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: they're talking about, who are from here, can actually come

556
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: in and have a say about how we do things.

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00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be a good idea? Don't you think they

558
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 1: know better? Which I love because he's like, I'm new here,

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00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, you know, you come

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00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: tell me. I mean again, it's like, if you're a

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00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: good king or a good ruler, part of what makes

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00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: you good is that you put good people around you

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00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: know what they're talking about. And if you have a

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00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: bad team around you, it probably means you're not a

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00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: good leader. The best people, the best, the best. He

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00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: also got this famous historian to come help overhaul their

567
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: education systems. He showed up when there were floods. He

568
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: worked hard to repatriate political exiles, and the public was

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Speaker 1: loving him for all this. He was effectively trying to

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00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: make Lombardo Venetia as autonomous as possible um and they

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00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: were into that, and max and Charlotte had a getaway

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00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: home in Trieste built called Mira mar Castle, and another

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00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: gorgeous home built and Mansa where they would occasionally hold

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00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: elaborate balls, but Austrian officers kept not getting invited because

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00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: he didn't want to be seen with like a bunch

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00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: of uniformed military occupiers. When he had all his Italian

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00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: friends over, it'd be kind of like it's like if

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00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: you're like kind of a nerd, you know, and you

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00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: finally get invited to like the cool kids table or whatever,

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00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: and you're like, cool, I'm at the cool kids table.

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00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: But then you're like nerd. Friends keep trying to catch

582
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: your eye, like let me sit over there, and you're

583
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: like a time now, Charlotte was working hard to In

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Speaker 1: the book The Crown of Mexico, Maximilian and His Empress Carlotta,

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00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 1: author Joan Haslip rights that Charlotte was quote a beautiful

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Speaker 1: and clever wife who, in spite of her youth, was

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00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: already the most accomplished of vice reigns, never so happy

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00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: as when she had the opportunity of wearing full regalia

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Speaker 1: receiving homage in the Reggio of Milan. She donated large

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Speaker 1: amounts of her own money for Italian schools and hospitals,

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00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 1: and her only regret was not being able to help

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00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: her husband more. Charlotte wrote quote, I grow to appreciate

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00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: and love him more, for he does everything to please

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00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: me and is at the same time so utterly selfless,

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00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: only wanting to do good and to succeed in his

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00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: difficult task. So together they're kind of doing the impossible,

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00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: winning over Italians as Austrian leaders. That's crazy. Nobody ever

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00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: thought that would happen suddenly. These Italians are like the

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00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: Austrians by Benny. But all this sparkly kindness was kind

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00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: of an illusion, because Max really gave the impression to

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00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: everyone and even convinced himself that he had a lot

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00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: more power than he actually did, and nobody else liked

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00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 1: what he and Charlotte were doing, so the Austrians, of course,

604
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: felt very undermined that they were giving so much autonomy

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00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: to the Italians in this region, and the people of

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00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: Piedmont Sardinia, who were the only independent kingdom of Italy,

607
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: hated that he was making Italians so content with Austrian rule,

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00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,959
Speaker 1: and Austrian prince once wrote while he was staying there

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00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: that he noted quote the bitterness of Austrian officers who

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00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: found themselves excluded from the balls of Manza for fear

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00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: that the sight of their uniform might offend the delicate

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00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: susceptibilities of the Italian ladies. Wow, they're like, I know

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00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: that we've been ruling off is them terribly for a

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00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: long time, but they want to bid their pross. I'm

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00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: so there's a mean seriously, And then you've got the Italians,

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00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: the independent Italians, who were like, uh no, you're supposed

617
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: to hate that the Austrians come, you like it this

618
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: guy so much. I don't like that some being so

619
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 1: nice to them. Yeah, it's crazy that they were mad

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00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: that they were being treated better because they preferred them

621
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: to not be happy under Austrian rule. That's true, But

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00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: there wasn't really a lot anyone could do because at

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00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 1: the end of the day, things were pretty chill in Lombardo.

624
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: Venetia more chill than they had been in many decades.

625
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: But then everything changed in January of eighteen fifty eight, somehow,

626
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 1: throwing all of Europe into chaos. When walf in Paris,

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00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: an Italian named Felice Orsini, attempted to assassinate French Emperor

628
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: Napoleon the Third. He and a few others threw bombs

629
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: at the royal carriage while Napoleon and his wife were inside.

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Speaker 1: Eight guards and bystanders were killed and over one people

631
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Speaker 1: were injured, but Napoleon was unharmed. So this guy would

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00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: be decimated. On Twitter today, people were like, you were

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00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: trying to help us, but instead you just killed a

634
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: bunch of people who didn't even know what you're doing.

635
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: But Orsini thought that if the French Emperor were killed,

636
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: a new republic French government would take over and help

637
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: Italy gain its own independence. So he was lying, I'll

638
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: just kill this guy, I'll solve all my problems. Surprised

639
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: it didn't, and he was tried and executed, and that

640
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: got the Italians very riled up, so talent all across Italy,

641
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: Independent Italy and in Lombardo, Venetia, Italians are freaking out

642
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: because they executed this guy in France, and Max and

643
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: Charlotte did their best to go in and kind of

644
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: chill everybody out. They would go walking through the streets

645
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: together unescorted during big demonstrations to show like, you know,

646
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: we understand where you guys are coming from. Totally get it.

647
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: I would be angry too. They would pass these famous

648
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: revolutionaries and patriots who were dressed in clothes mourning or

649
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: Seny's death, and like any other monarch would have arrested

650
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: them and executed them for doing that, for making a statement.

651
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but Max and Charlotte just kind of deliver

652
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: really like made a point of not noticing them, like

653
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: they wanted them to know, I'm not I'm not asking

654
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: you for this, Like that's okay if you know, I

655
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: didn't even see you there. Oh that's a lovely black

656
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: dress you're wearing. I'm not even gonna ask why you're

657
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: wearing it. You know your feelings are valid, Yeah, then

658
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: you hurt. I hurt. But military leaders in the area

659
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: of the Austrian military, they were freaking out and they

660
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: would rush back to their superiors and be like, yeah,

661
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: all these people are they're mad about this Italian assassin

662
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: getting killed, and the military would come back and they

663
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: would attack like student demonstrations, even small family gatherings like

664
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: harmless stuff. They would come in and disrupt, they'd arrest people,

665
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: they had searches of homes. They just kicked down the

666
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 1: door and say you're a rebel, We're going to search

667
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: your place. Classic oppressive empire ship, total chaos. And Max

668
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: would go in and try and protest and Satan know

669
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,479
Speaker 1: stop like I want, I'm trying to keep a level

670
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: head here. Can you guys stop doing this? And they

671
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: just totally ignored him and did whatever they wanted. You're

672
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: basically putting a match to a Meanwhile, a bunch of

673
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 1: European leaders are getting together to discuss the Italian job

674
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: and how there was just not enough chemistry between Charlie

675
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: Sarah and Mark Wahlberg. I'm just kidding, and I'm talking

676
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: about the job of dealing with all the unrest in Italy. Yes,

677
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: much bigger Italian job, much bigger and probably less thrilling.

678
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: And this included reviewing just exactly what the Austrians were

679
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: doing in Lombardo, Venetia, obviously, because that's probably what was

680
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: leading to all the unrests and the Austrian Emperor. Max's brother,

681
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: Franz Joseph, was not happy about this audit. Right. So,

682
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: when Max showed up to the conference and was like, Hey,

683
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: I have a great idea. Before y'all decide anything, I

684
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: think you should implement my plan for a local Italian

685
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: government to be put in place in this region, his

686
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: brother was like, uh, hell, no, are you kidding me?

687
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Max? You crazy? We're literally

688
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: trying to stop them from governing what you want to

689
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: give them a government? Oh? Is that going to solve everything?

690
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: Just to give them everything they want? Emperor friends said quote,

691
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: neither now, nor ever can there be any question of

692
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: the Italian provinces being governed independently of Vienna. Such a

693
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: thing might have been possible a hundred years ago, but

694
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: now it only weakened the monarchy and encourage revolution. Our

695
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: interest in Italy cannot be judged purely from the Italian

696
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: point of view. They depend far more on the solidarity

697
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: of the Empire as a whole. Classic I mean serious,

698
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: classic oppressive emperor ship. And you know, probably a hundred

699
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: years ago they were like, I mean, this could have

700
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: been possible a hundred years ago today, I mean, our

701
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: interest in your country can't just be governed by your

702
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: country like you're crazy. Oh my god, you got it's

703
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: better for you if we have you under our thumb,

704
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: don't you see, don't you see? So instead, Emperor friends

705
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: back to move to replace Italy's own currency with the

706
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: Austrian Florence, which depreciated by three percent to put it

707
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: in line with the rest of Europe. And this would

708
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: have devastating economic consequences if enacted, because of course, depreciating

709
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: a currency, Yeah, that hurts cool, It's terrifying. And Max

710
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: was pissed that his brother wasn't backing him up, so

711
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: he thought, you know that I'd better go back and

712
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: tell everyone what's happening. They're really expecting me to have

713
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: won this for them. Boy, I'm um, I really got

714
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: to go tell everybody that it didn't go so, you know,

715
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'll probably look pretty foolish if I go

716
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: home empty handed. Yeah, yeah, I could really use a

717
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: vacation actually right now, And he picked up Charlotte and

718
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: the two of them dipped for their vacation villa in

719
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: Trieste and disappeared for nearly three months. He straight up

720
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: took a trip to and I mean growing up, he

721
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: had always said that all he ever wanted in life

722
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 1: was quote a castle with a garden by the sea,

723
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: don't we all? I mean, I think that is on

724
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: every wish list around the world. Call me crazy, but

725
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: all I want is an enormous castle with a garden

726
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: by the sea where I can just relax and not

727
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: have to worry about anything. Ever, I know that's weird.

728
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: And I mean Max loved being a beloved viceroy and

729
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: if he was making everyone happy, that was great. He

730
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: was more than willing to put the work in as

731
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: long as everyone loved him. But when the going got tough,

732
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: he got going back to his special little castle and

733
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: basically hid rather than go back and deal with it.

734
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: You can't face the music, right, So we're going to

735
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: join them in taking a little break before we deal

736
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: with any of their consequences, and we'll be back to

737
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: see how it all shakes out. Right after this, All right,

738
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. Unrest in Italy. Max and

739
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: Charlotte have scurried off to their their getaway home, trying

740
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: to pretend nothing's happening. Yeah, they're they're literally sticking their

741
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: heads in the sand. But the sand is a beautiful,

742
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: beautiful beach. So Charlotte is still only like eighteen at

743
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: this time to Max's and she's still very starry eyed

744
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: and love with him. She doesn't really know how to

745
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: question him or challenge him. But Hasslip writes that quote

746
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: she was a fighter by nature and would have been

747
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: happier to have stayed in Venice or Milan, putting up

748
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: a brave front to the opposition, rather than to have

749
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: retired to the rose gardens of Miramar. But you know,

750
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: she just hadn't figured out how to criticize his decisions

751
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: yet and like get what she wanted out of that conversation. Plus,

752
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: this was around the time of their first wedding anniversary,

753
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 1: and he basically said, hey, baby, let's not worry about

754
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: all this political nonsense. Let's stake in Adriana cruel. Maybe

755
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: they went incognito as the Marchesa in Marchessa de Mirama,

756
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: and Charlotte stopped at the shrine of Madonna de Loretto

757
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: to pray for what she wanted most, to have a

758
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: baby with Max. But Max at this time was getting

759
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: kind of distant along this trip and We don't have

760
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 1: a lot about their personal relationship, like how they felt

761
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: about each other. It's more about kind of the story

762
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: that was happening around and to them. But we do

763
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: know that when they returned home, she was writing about

764
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: how she was lonely and bored, and she spent a

765
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: lot of her time horseback riding and painting and swimming,

766
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: while Max probably was just preoccupied with everything that was

767
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: going on in this kingdom he was supposed to be ruling. Meanwhile, tensions,

768
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: of course, are rising all across northern Italy, and Napoleon

769
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: the third of France was acting very strangely after or

770
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 1: seen he attempted to assassinate him. Orsini sent the Emperor

771
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: himself a letter from jail, and it said, quote, remember

772
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: that so long as Italy is not independent, the peace

773
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: of Europe and your majesty is but an empty dream.

774
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 1: Set my country free, and the blessings of twenty five

775
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: million people will follow you everywhere and forever. That is

776
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: why did he start with that letter. I mean, I

777
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: guess you got to get his attentions. He needed to

778
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: throw a few bombs first, But that is so compelling,

779
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: you know. And Napoleon was shook by this assassination attempt already,

780
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: and this letter really stuck with him. He literally lost

781
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: sleep over it for several nights. So this guy, his

782
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: name was Cavour, and he was the Prime Minister of

783
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: the Kingdom of Sardinia, and he arranged a secret little

784
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: meeting with Emperor Napoleon. The assassination attempt by an Italian

785
00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: rebel actually made Napoleon more sympathetic to Itali in independence,

786
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: and he basically thought at this meeting, well, jeez, if

787
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: they wasn't so bad that they tried to kill me,

788
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: maybe maybe I should help them out. To see it

789
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: so different the best result of an assassination. So Napoleon

790
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: and Cavour signed the Plumbier Agreement, and this said that

791
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: France was going to agree to help the Kingdom of

792
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: Sardinia kick the Austrians out of Italy in exchange for

793
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: the Duchy of Savoy and the County of Nice. Those

794
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: would go to France afterwards. And Napoleon was like, this

795
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: sounds pretty good to me. I'm kind of into it,

796
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: and I definitely want that land. The only caveat was

797
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: that it couldn't look like France was the aggressor. They

798
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: were going to keep this secret. You know, no one

799
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: needed to know that France was going to be on

800
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: their side because basically everybody else, especially England, who was

801
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: a major power player here, thought that there was still

802
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: a diplomatic solution with Italy and Austria. So rumors about

803
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: this meeting starts circulating, obviously, and nationalists in Lombardo, Venetia

804
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: are all stoked that they've got the French Empire at

805
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: their back. The Cross of Savoy, a Sardinian symbol, became

806
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: the symbol of Italian unity, and Italians started hanging it

807
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: up everywhere, and you know, oppressive governments hate a symbol,

808
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: so in response, the Austrian government just got super oppressive.

809
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: All of the concessions and plans that Max and Charlotte

810
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: had been working for were dead in the water. I know, right,

811
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: you did all this work and then you come back

812
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: from your three month vacation and you're like, what happened?

813
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: Should have stayed. Franz Joseph, the Emperor of Austria, went

814
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: ahead with his plans to change the currency over but

815
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: that was really dumb because it's screwed over the bankers

816
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: and merchants, who were the only class of people who

817
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: up to this point had been in favor of Austrian rule.

818
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: They raised taxes, they spent more money on the military, Harry,

819
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: and they enforced a law where no man could marry

820
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 1: under the age of twenty three without completing military service.

821
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god. They also, I'll add that previously only

822
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: sons and fathers couldn't be drafted, and they changed that

823
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: law and said now you can. Damn Yeah. They were

824
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: really just trying to piss people off. They were basically

825
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: trying to kick a hornet's nest. These laws were so

826
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: stupid that Cavor thought maybe the Austrians were imposing them

827
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: on purpose, like trying to stir up opposition, and then

828
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: that would give them a reason to execute martial law.

829
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: But then he realized that such an idea was quote

830
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: giving the Austrians credit for an intelligence they did not possess. It.

831
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: Amazing how dumb these laws were. And Max saw it,

832
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: saw it. Everyone saw it, except the Austrians were just like,

833
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: the best thing to do is to just keep punching

834
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 1: them harder. That'll win them over. Very stupid at Max

835
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: and Charlotte were pretty miserable about it all this obviously,

836
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: like we said everything they've been doing was undone almost overnight.

837
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: So frustrating, Max actually wrote back to his brother and

838
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: asked to resign and go back to the navy, but

839
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: the Emperor told him, sorry, that would look bad. So uh,

840
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: you know you've got to help the family out. You

841
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 1: gotta stay. Oh wow, I'd hate to look badly. Jeez,

842
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: everything you're doing is making it looks so good. Pously,

843
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: Max wrote quote, I feel more and more humiliated at

844
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: having to represent a subhinme government totally devoid of common sense. Today.

845
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: I was profoundly ashamed to see how the very people

846
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: who are willing to show me respect as a private

847
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: individual completely disassociate me from the government I represent. Nothing

848
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: is more calculated to show me how powerless I am. Wow. Yeah.

849
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: He worried that things were going to get worse, and

850
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: he thought about sending Charlotte to her father's home in Brussels,

851
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: writing quote, I do not see why she should be sacrificed,

852
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: and in times of day anger, this is no place

853
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: for a young and inexperienced woman. Everyone around me seems

854
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: to have lost their head and their courage, And I

855
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: asked myself how long my conscience will allow me to

856
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: follow blindly the orders of Vienna. But Max was a

857
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: little too vocal about his concerns, and Charlotte was always

858
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: going on with her Italian lady friends about how messed

859
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: up the Austrian authorities were. They were both kind of

860
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: being a little mouthie talking ship and they're talking they

861
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: I don't think they were ashamed to know, and they

862
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been. Honestly, I would have to. I was like, guys,

863
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: this is not me. They could fraten me, these dumbass

864
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: Let it look at this ship. Not the dumbest share

865
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: you ever saw in your life. So eventually the press

866
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: got ahold of this, as they like to do, and

867
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: they started reporting extra extra arch Duke Maximilion ain't taken

868
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 1: no ship from Vienna. Arch Duchess Charlotte's that the Empress

869
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: smells like a butt, and they sipped his on but

870
00:52:55,640 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: rated he had first. That's not what I said, but

871
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: it is what I meant. But it is what I meant,

872
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: all right, you read between the line. So it was

873
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: no surprise when his brother, Emperor Friends Joseph wrote to

874
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: Max and said, quote, I cannot expect you to always

875
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: agree with my decisions, but I have got to be

876
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: sure that what I have decided upon will be promptly

877
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: carried out. This does not deny you the right to

878
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 1: your opinions. What I object to is having them reported

879
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: in the foreign press, who publish your plans for local

880
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: government and your criticism of new conscription laws in such

881
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: a way that all the odium and unpopularity falls upon

882
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: my shoulders. Like who's who? I've just the emperor, the

883
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: last say so for all decisions in this entire enormous empire.

884
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: Why is it my fault? Straight up? Is like, you

885
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: need to do what I say, even when it's unpopular,

886
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: and I really don't like that it's unpopular. People are

887
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,479
Speaker 1: saying that I'm so mean, like these are that's little

888
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: babies like and then invited to parties. Yeah, they're talking

889
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: set and it's like so lame. You need to take

890
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: responsibility for my actions and also tell everyone how great

891
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 1: you think they are. You can tell me that they stupid.

892
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: You gotta tell everybody else there. You're welcome to your

893
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: own opinion, just don't express it. He went on to

894
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: insist that all these issues were to be blamed not

895
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: on Vienna but quote rather on the bad faith and

896
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: innate antagonism of the Italian people as a whole and

897
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: the subversive activities of Sardinia and Paris. It's not my

898
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: fault for oppressing you. It's your fault for resisting. And

899
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: it's also their fault for telling you you shouldn't be oppressed.

900
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: Wh You just wanna like, can I just shake him?

901
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: I just want to? And that's I'm sure that's what

902
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: Max is feeling, you know, because he's getting these letters

903
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: like are you kidding me? Right now? Had everything figured out?

904
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: Things were going great, too great, too great, I guess.

905
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: By the beginning of eighteen fifty nine, the Italian situation

906
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: was teetering into full out war. All these defectors from

907
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 1: Lombardy Venetia were gathering in Sardinia to join their army.

908
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 1: All military leave in Austria was suspended. Then the news

909
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: came that Sardinian King Victor Emmanuel's daughter was engaged to

910
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: Emperor Napoleon's cousin, And you know how those alliances are made.

911
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: Everyone knew that the French Sardinian alliance was locked in

912
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: at this point, and it's still secret that France agreed

913
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: to help Sardinia, but it ain't no secret, like everybody knows.

914
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: It's like, once the engagement's announced, you're like, y'all are

915
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: about to drop an album or something. And Austria demanded

916
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: the disarmament of Sardinian forces, and Sardinia responded by not

917
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: doing that. They were just like, and I'm going to

918
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: file this, and then they dropped in. Charlotte insisted on

919
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: staying with Max, but things were changing. I mean, you remember, once,

920
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: even when things were rough, they would walk through the

921
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: streets without police escorts. But now, for the first time

922
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: they were being booed and hissed in the streets of Venice.

923
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: So Max sent her to Trieste for her own safety.

924
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: There's a description in the book of her bringing trunks

925
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: full of silver and valuables with her, because you know,

926
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: surely these palaces might get rated if there was a

927
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: revelation yet. And then he wrote, quote here, I am

928
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: solitary as a hermit. I am the derided prophet. They

929
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: want to make me responsible for all that has happened.

930
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: And then in April he received a letter from his brother,

931
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: the Emperor, a formal dismissal by You're not the vice

932
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: roy anymore. You know what, fine, if you've got such

933
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: a problem with it, don't worry about it. You can go.

934
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, we can't look any worse. So

935
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: I guess you can go. Now now that everyone hates you,

936
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: I guess you can go. Yeah. Right, you've absorbed enough

937
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: of the blame. But now we're going to full on war,

938
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: So get out of there and cavour. Sardinia's prime minister wrote, quote,

939
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: at last we can breathe again. The man who was

940
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: our worst enemy in Lombardi, has been dismissed already. His perseverance,

941
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: his fair and liberal spirit, had won him many of

942
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: our supporters. Lombardi had never been so prosperous, so well administered. Then,

943
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: thank god, the dear Viennese government intervenes and, in its

944
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: usual way, manages to make a mess of everything and

945
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: to ruin its chances by recalling the emperor's brother because

946
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: his wise reforms had displeased the old die hards in Vienna.

947
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: Nothing was lost, and Lombardi is ours for the taking. Unbelievable.

948
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: This is the awesome. Seriously, this is the quote that

949
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: made this story amazing to me, because I mean he's

950
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: literally saying Max is too good. Max. Max was doing

951
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: a really good job. So thank god the Austrians came

952
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: in and fucked it all up because now now now

953
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: no one's happy with them anymore. Yeah, he was our

954
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: worst enemy because he was an effective leader. Our worst

955
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: enemy was was a good governor from Austria specific exactly. Yeah,

956
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: I was making people more comfortable with Austrian role, as

957
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: we were saying. And so he's like, great job you

958
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: guys for kicking out the one guy that was helping

959
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: you out around here. Now we are totally gonna win.

960
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for doing my job for me. Gay.

961
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: How insane that him being a good leader who listened

962
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: to the people and brought them in and did all

963
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: the right things that we all want our leaders to

964
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: do was exactly what got him in trouble with literally

965
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: everyone on both sides of the issue. He was in between.

966
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: This is what's so frustrating about politics. I think it's

967
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: because you have people that are like big picture, you

968
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: know air quotes big picture, people like cavour Right. So

969
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: he's like, honestly, I want my country independent. I don't

970
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: want to be oppressed. So what I need is for

971
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: Austria to be as oppressive as possible so that more

972
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: people will be on my side and come to fact

973
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: and join our army and stand up against them. So

974
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: the minute you stop oppressing them is the minute that

975
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to lose. Isn't that like an abusive relationship

976
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: though to be I'm I'm deliberately making your life miserable

977
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: so you run back to me. I'm going to make

978
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: your new boyfriend seem like an asshole so that you'll

979
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: come back and be better off with me. Be better

980
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: off with me, no matter what I do. Come on,

981
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: it totally feels that way. So war finally broke out,

982
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,479
Speaker 1: of course inevitable, and just like everyone suspected. As soon

983
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: as Austria declared war on Sardinia, France declared war on Austria.

984
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: While Charlotte waited in Trieste, Max rejoined the navy in Venice.

985
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: But even there he was treated with the same indignity

986
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: and total lack of respect that he had been getting

987
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,919
Speaker 1: from Vienna this whole time. He wrote, quote, even here

988
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: in the Navy, the thing I have most at heart,

989
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: I find myself humiliated and obstructed at every turn. All

990
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: these higher ups who just were like done with him

991
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: and all his progressive ways. Yeah, they were sick of it,

992
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: and at any time he showed preference to anyone, they

993
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: were dismissed. Anytime Max dismissed everyone, his superiors would immediately

994
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: reinstate them. Despite the fact that all the people the

995
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: Emperor was putting in charge were terrible. They sucked, and

996
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: they kept failing miserably. But you know, it's just that

997
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: pride thing where they'd like, I'd rather lose with my

998
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: plan then listen to you. It's so sad to me

999
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: when you get to that point of an empire. I

1000
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: think it really is an empire thing, and not like

1001
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: a person, you know, an emperor thing. But it comes

1002
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: to a point where you it's weaker for you to

1003
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: listen to someone else's more reasonable proposal than to lose

1004
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: the fucking war. Like we would think that that would

1005
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: make you look weaker, but to them, it looks weaker

1006
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: to listen to this reasonable guy who's been talking for

1007
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: a while that people just don't like. Yeah, so, yeah,

1008
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: all the Emperor's guys are doing a miserable job that

1009
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: you know, generals are failing, battles are being lost, and

1010
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: eventually Emperor friends Joseph had to take over the armies

1011
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: himself and that's what was going on in the other countries.

1012
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: The Sardinian king and Napoleon were all personally controlling their

1013
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: armies for this war Speculation station. I see all of friends,

1014
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: Joseph's general's chilling in a tent while the battle goes on,

1015
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: and they're just sitting there their arms crossed, going, why

1016
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: don't they invite us to their party they're having? Is

1017
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: such a fun party out there, and where I am invited?

1018
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: And all the other soldiers like, but you are invited.

1019
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: You throw the stand thing, get out here and get

1020
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: some ice. At some point Max went to join his

1021
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: brother on land in these battles, and after a bad defeat,

1022
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: he wrote to Charlotte, quote, exhausted and broken in spirit,

1023
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: I am sending you these few lines to tell you

1024
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: we have lost the battle, which yesterday raged from four

1025
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: in the morning until twilight. Losses on both sides very heavy.

1026
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: I never had much hope of the outcome, but I

1027
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: did not imagine it would come so swiftly and be

1028
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: quite so overwhelming. The retreat in the evening presented a

1029
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: scene of desolation. I will never forget. The sight of

1030
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: all the wounded was terrible. How many people have been

1031
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: made unhappy. What happens in the next few days remains

1032
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: to be seen, and he is he is depressed in

1033
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: that in that letter, he has upset. It's funny because

1034
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: he knows this war didn't have to happen, but now

1035
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: he's still got to go fight in it against the

1036
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: people he was trying to make, you know, to give

1037
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: a better life too, and really kind of liked I mean,

1038
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: I think they liked it there, and I liked the people,

1039
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: and very frustrating he's doing it under the command of

1040
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: these people who've been treating him like ship the whole time. Right,

1041
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: He's like, the last thing I wanted to do, what

1042
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: you say. Well, in the end, the Austrians had their

1043
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: asses handed to them. The war only lasted two months,

1044
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: two weeks and two days before Napoleon signed a treaty

1045
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: with them, And it kind of feels like at two months,

1046
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: two weeks and one day, Napoleon was like, you know,

1047
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: we could probably end this, but I like all the

1048
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: even numbers, Let's wait till tomorrowly two to one, like

1049
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: that's got no rhythm. Will wait till tomorrow one. And

1050
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: Napoleon wasn't quite as ruthless of a conqueror as his

1051
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: father was. He did not want the war to go

1052
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: on any longer than I had to, and Austria had

1053
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: retreated to a difficult position that the French couldn't easily conquer.

1054
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: Napoleon was sickened by all the unnecessary loss of life,

1055
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: so he kind of called it off early and made

1056
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: some deals with Austria, many of which went unfulfilled, and

1057
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: left Austria way weaker than it had been. And Lombardi

1058
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: was returned to an independent state, and France got control

1059
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: of Savoy and nice, nice, Yeah. And you know, it's

1060
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: what's so interesting reading the history books about this is

1061
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: they all say that Napoleon the Third and Emperor Franz

1062
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: Joseph both young emperors and they didn't have the stomach

1063
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: for war, and they did and they didn't want, you know,

1064
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: so much bloodshed, whereas the king of Sardinia was like

1065
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: ready to go. And I'm like, what, why are we

1066
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: presenting them as not having the stomach for it because

1067
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: they didn't want that many people to die. Yeah, it's

1068
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: such a weird vibe. Well, it's so interesting to me

1069
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: when you look at leaders in military leaders especially and

1070
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: you realize that they don't want to see people with

1071
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: their guts all strewn out all across the battlefield either,

1072
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: Like that doesn't make anybody feel good. You've got to

1073
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: be a pretty damaged person to be totally fine with that.

1074
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: And if you're in charge of that, I don't care

1075
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: who you are. I don't care for you, the Emperor

1076
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: of France, Like that's going to have an impact on you. Yeah,

1077
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: I hope you don't have the stomach from You shouldn't

1078
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: take the stomach for it. You should be trying to

1079
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: avoid it at every turn. And we already saw this

1080
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: in Napoleon a bit when he when after the assassination attempt,

1081
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: how how shaken he was by that, and how mortality

1082
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 1: is a real thing to him. Yeah, right, So I

1083
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: like him for that. Plus it's kind of it's just

1084
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: it's so ironic and kind of funny, and they deserve it.

1085
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: I guess that Austria was like, I'm going to just

1086
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: keep picking at this scab and pick this fight until

1087
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: you can't take it anymore. And then by the end

1088
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: of it, they've lost everything. They lost all their territory,

1089
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: they didn't get to keep Lombardi. They're weaker than ever

1090
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 1: like you painted yourself into this corner all by yourself, right,

1091
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: And I don't know what. I don't know what they're

1092
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: thinking was, because again it was a secret that France

1093
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: and Sardinia had an alliance, but it also wasn't They

1094
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 1: knew well and good that if they let a war start,

1095
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: they were going to be fighting the French Empire, which

1096
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: no one in the eighteen sixties wanted to do um

1097
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: and especially with Sardinia mounting against them and all these

1098
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: defectors coming from their own land, like letting it get

1099
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: as far as they did was complete idiocy. And I

1100
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: don't know if friends was just a young emperor who

1101
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: didn't know any better, or if you really thought that

1102
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: like I'm too deep in now to back off, or

1103
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: what the deal was. The thing with Austria is that

1104
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: is just clearly such arrogant pride that's leading their decisions.

1105
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: Like they're just straight up like, it can't be like

1106
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 1: this because it wasn't like this, so it can't be

1107
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: like that ever, And you're like, well, at some point

1108
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: you have to adapt to what's happening instead of like

1109
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: dig in your heels and try to make everything the

1110
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:52,439
Speaker 1: same as it always was. And I'm not. I don't

1111
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: know how to tell the difference and when when to

1112
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: dig in and when to change, but I think it's

1113
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: an important quality and a leader. Yeah, you're not a

1114
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: European emperor. Thank God. Again, I would not want it.

1115
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: But I mean, I guess in a way, all that

1116
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: work that Max and Charlotte had done to try and

1117
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: liberalize Lombardo Venisha kind of worked got it paid off.

1118
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean, they are an independent state at this point.

1119
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: So Austria lost pretty much all of its Italian land

1120
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: after the war. Max's brother pretty much dismissed him and

1121
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: he was effectively stripped of all his powers and titles.

1122
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 1: He was too liberal for this emperor, you know, like

1123
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 1: you'd cause nothing but trouble, just back to your woke mob. Right.

1124
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 1: So Max and Charlotte decided, you know what, we're good,

1125
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 1: let's retire. We're young, we're rich. We were never meant

1126
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 1: to have this kind of power. We were never meant

1127
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: to be this historically significant, never meant to be in

1128
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 1: the middle of something like this. We gave it a shot,

1129
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: we did our best, and they didn't like it. I

1130
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 1: think we've earned a nice relaxing stay at our castle

1131
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: in Miramar. So they went back to Trieste and they

1132
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: just chilled with their gardens, and they lived happily ever

1133
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 1: after until one day who came a knocking at their

1134
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: door but Emperor Napoleon the Third himself, and he said,

1135
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: I hope you like the wedding gift that I gave you,

1136
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: the beautiful bust that we will one day be in

1137
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 1: Alabama to Alabama. Yes, also, so sorry about the car

1138
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: fuffo back in Italy. Who didn't mean to have to

1139
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: fight you there, but I'm sure you understand. But hey,

1140
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: they've got that proposition for you. How would you do

1141
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 1: crazy kids like to be the Emperor and Empress of Mexico?

1142
01:08:54,760 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: I mean, what a question? Y'all. Y'all know that luck

1143
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,719
Speaker 1: in these kind of situations is not on poor Max

1144
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 1: and Charlotte's side, And honestly, they probably right there. They

1145
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:13,440
Speaker 1: just should have said, thank you for stopping buying Napoleon,

1146
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 1: we don't want any good night, No solicitor shut the

1147
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: door in his face and stayed retired. That would have

1148
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: been great for them if but I'm telling you, guys,

1149
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: if you thought they got screwed as viceroys in Italy,

1150
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 1: just wait until part two of this episode, or we

1151
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 1: find out what happens when they are given a brand

1152
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: spanking new empire in the New World to rule over

1153
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: and they become the Emperor and Empress of Mexico. It

1154
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 1: is insane. I can't wait to get to that. I mean,

1155
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: this story is so incredible to me. And again I

1156
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: don't know a ton about their relationship, their romance says

1157
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: it were, But the fact that these two people, these

1158
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, effectively nobody's like barely royals ended up being

1159
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 1: so significant. And if anyone had listened to them, if

1160
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: his brother had said, like, no, you know what, you're

1161
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: doing good things down there, we like it. If the

1162
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: Italians hadn't riled things up after Italians started being happy,

1163
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,759
Speaker 1: the entire map of Europe and quite possibly the world

1164
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: would be very different today. I mean, that's so crazy

1165
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 1: for me to think of. You want to talk about,

1166
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: can one person make a difference This guy did, I

1167
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 1: mean both of them did. Like there, they made a

1168
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: difference in that their goodness sparked this war in a way.

1169
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: But also if their goodness had been just allowed to

1170
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: be it might have made for a much more peaceful Europe.

1171
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:44,600
Speaker 1: Possibly something who knows, maybe they would have shifted the

1172
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: whole attitude of these emperors, uh you know, and and

1173
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: maybe independence would have found a new path in Italy

1174
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: and Austria. One thing, definitely, for sure, the map would

1175
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 1: be different because it all changed here. Now that the

1176
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 1: europe European map isn't changing constantly throughout history, but to say,

1177
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,799
Speaker 1: you know, you change one little thing and then suddenly

1178
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 1: you never know how it's going to be after that.

1179
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 1: And this was a big thing. So I'm fascinated by

1180
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 1: these two and the and their impact. And like when

1181
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 1: you when you say about their relationship, I think what's

1182
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: interesting too is that in their relationship and as just

1183
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: two individuals, they seem to be just very like we're

1184
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 1: just like average people. Like their marriage was not maybe

1185
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: not like super passionate, and but she clearly was like, well,

1186
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm devoted to him. I want to have babies. That's

1187
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 1: what I'm supposed to do. That's what wives do. I'm

1188
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm out here painting, That's what ladies do. We even

1189
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: accomplishments when play the piano forte or whatever. And he's

1190
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: out here like, okay, you know, what a man does

1191
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: is take care of his wife and he has a family,

1192
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 1: and he has some property, and he does what he's

1193
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 1: got to do for his kingdom. That's what you do,

1194
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It just seems like there's

1195
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 1: not a lot of burning ambition. There's not a lot

1196
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 1: of like any of those usual motivators of any of

1197
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 1: our couples. And they're just like really just trying to

1198
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: live a very boring life, like all they want and

1199
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:14,600
Speaker 1: honestly a very boring, straightforward life, and they cannot have it,

1200
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 1: just keeping handed volatile situation. And when they were given something,

1201
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 1: they were like, well, all right, well then let's make

1202
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: the best of it. Yeah, let's do our best here totally.

1203
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: And it's cool that they did have such like um

1204
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 1: similar like principles, like because it's cool that they were

1205
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: both out together on the street, like strolling around wanting

1206
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: to be seen as this this couple, not just like

1207
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: I'm the emperor, I walk around by myself, or I'm

1208
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 1: the lady who goes to the hospitals or whatever. They

1209
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 1: were literally like we're hand in hand, united front walking around.

1210
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: Look at us. We're cool with each other. We're cool

1211
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: with you, like we're normal, We're just like you. Definitely know,

1212
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 1: and that's that's pretty interesting. But it's just it's just sorry.

1213
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 1: I just think it's so interesting. Unlike so many of

1214
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 1: our other characters that we've met who were trying very

1215
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: hard to have an extraordinary life, yes, yes, that's true

1216
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 1: and then and usually succeeded, these guys were really striving

1217
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,639
Speaker 1: for the opposite and still managed to have a very

1218
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 1: extraordinary and historically significant Indeed. Yeah, and part two we

1219
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 1: get to focus a lot more on Charlotte when we

1220
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: get to Mexico, and um, and seriously, I cannot tell

1221
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: you how much more bonkers and weirdly tragic and just

1222
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: chaos that just ensues after everything that's going on in Mexico.

1223
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: Did not know France had any interest in Mexico at

1224
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 1: any point in time, and it wasn't for long. So

1225
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that in the next part. And thanks

1226
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: to Paulo again for this suggestion. He said so many

1227
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 1: good ones, so we'll be bringing him up his name

1228
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: up again. But um, but this wasn't really excellent because

1229
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 1: we thought it was going to be very much about

1230
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 1: Mexico and then, like you're researching it, going, I'm in

1231
01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: every country. I've been all over the world today. So

1232
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 1: it turned out to be like real international story up

1233
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 1: in here, and it was really interesting. Just send us

1234
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 1: on a lot of research. K Hole's definitely. Yeah, their

1235
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: whole life reads like a Wikipedia K Hole. You're just like, wait,

1236
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: now I got to learn about these revolutions. I didn't

1237
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: know about that. Now I got to hear about this

1238
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 1: assassination attempt. Never knew about that. Talk about talk about

1239
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 1: one guy changed in the world too. I mean, this

1240
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 1: guy's failed assassination attempt completely changed an emperor's attitude about empires.

1241
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 1: Of him to write that letter, I mean again, you

1242
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 1: know that's that's really interesting too. That he was like, Okay,

1243
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 1: well I tried to bomb the emperor killed a lot

1244
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 1: of innocent people. My bad. Um. While I'm sitting in here,

1245
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: can I get a pen and paper because I feel

1246
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 1: like he might take my call. I'm like, hello, your

1247
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: assassin is writing to you. He might want to read that.

1248
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: Throwing a bomb at him didn't work. Let me try

1249
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: appealing to his better judgment what and it worked? And

1250
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: Napoleon's like, maybe I should just read these letters before

1251
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 1: the bombs get thrown at me. Right, I realized that

1252
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 1: your letter came a few months before you bombed my carrots.

1253
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: All right, I got lost in the It was in

1254
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 1: my to read pile, my inbox. It's been sitting there

1255
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: for a long time. You know how that you do

1256
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: with these letters, you know? All right, Well, we've gotta

1257
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 1: go get started on part two. Yeah, so we'll let you,

1258
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 1: guys go. Thank you so much for tuning in. As always,

1259
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: of course, let us know what you thought. You can

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