Speaker 1: Caralam. She's a queen of talking. He was. She's on
Speaker 1: the inside. She got the scoop on the law on side.
Speaker 1: No one can do win quiet Caralam Caralam, No one
Speaker 1: can do win quiet Caralam Carol. This episode of Get
Speaker 1: Real podcast, I have Kayleie Dickerson joining me. She is
Speaker 1: such an incredible inspiring soul to talk to. Every time
Speaker 1: I sit down and talk with her, I'm just blown
Speaker 1: away by her faith, by her humor, her trust in God.
Speaker 1: She and Russell Dickerson, her husband, who is rising star.
Speaker 1: He just had a second number one single and country radio.
Speaker 1: He makes a grand entrance with the any of the podcast,
Speaker 1: and it's so funny, but Kaylee and Russell's faith is
Speaker 1: so strong. They have been believing in this dream of
Speaker 1: country music for so many years. We walked through their
Speaker 1: entire journey, and something so cool is Kaylee has been
Speaker 1: right there by Russell's side the whole time. And she
Speaker 1: has been the videographer and the producer of all of
Speaker 1: Russell's music videos so far. She said two number one
Speaker 1: music videos on CMT Blue Tacoma was her latest one
Speaker 1: and yours. They filmed yours and Russell had nothing going
Speaker 1: on there was no money to make a music video,
Speaker 1: and they went out and shot it themselves. Kaylee directed it.
Speaker 1: So their story is so incredible and they just have
Speaker 1: the most optimistic attitude about life. It's so uplifting to
Speaker 1: be around them. So get excited. Here's Kayley Dickerson. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm here at Kaylee Dickerson's house. Hello, wife of Russell Dickerson. Hey,
Speaker 1: he was a very hilarious dynamic country singer. Yes he is. Oh, oh,
Speaker 1: oh my god, gus here gee. I didn't know he
Speaker 1: was going to be here. Do you know you had
Speaker 1: an elevator in your house? I love you any bye?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah? Where do you like to ride that
Speaker 1: elevator down to the laundry? John in the wine cellar library?
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, yeah that's very necessary, Yeah for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Um okay, So it sounds like you guys have no
Speaker 1: fun in your marriage at all. Zero yeah, zero fun,
Speaker 1: no laughs, no, no laughs. What is the typical daylight
Speaker 1: here at the Dickerson house? It is, um, it's an adventure.
Speaker 1: He is truly like wakes up thinking it's the best
Speaker 1: day every single day. Where does that mentality come from?
Speaker 1: I have no idea, Like it is he is unicorns rainbows,
Speaker 1: Like this morning he goes, like, first thing I woke
Speaker 1: up to today was it's no oing. Like he's like,
Speaker 1: buddy the Elf. I'm like, that reminds me of Elf,
Speaker 1: Like like he's never seen snow in his life. Like
Speaker 1: it's so cute. It's so cute, So that has to
Speaker 1: you have the same infectious personality also though, like you're
Speaker 1: always glass half fool, optimistic. I'm a happy kid. I
Speaker 1: mean so seriously, you are like sitting on a rainbow,
Speaker 1: not skittles. I just pictured the little kid on like DreamWorks,
Speaker 1: like going fishing from the moon, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it kind of feels like that. So Okay, since you
Speaker 1: guys have such an optimistic personality, how do you guys
Speaker 1: deal with this music industry? Because not every day is
Speaker 1: an optimistic day, So how do you navigate this wild industry?
Speaker 1: And you guys have something, You'll have something really special
Speaker 1: because you are always by russell side, Like y'all are
Speaker 1: a true partnership and you are on the road with
Speaker 1: him constantly, which a lot of women would have a
Speaker 1: hard time doing. Yeah, I love it. Okay, so you're
Speaker 1: made for it. I love it. Yeah, I have five
Speaker 1: older brother so the only girl, and we traveled so
Speaker 1: hardcore for soccer for them that I lived in a
Speaker 1: van with a bunch of boys. This is normal for now.
Speaker 1: I just live in a bigger van with a bunch
Speaker 1: of boys. Actually love it. I really do love it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's not an industry that's always rainbows and unicorns.
Speaker 1: But I feel like we've known for so long and
Speaker 1: had to fight for everything. We knew he was supposed
Speaker 1: to do that, even the things that we were like
Speaker 1: praying for so hard, like we want this, we want that,
Speaker 1: and even when they didn't happen, it was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're not supposed to happen. So it's just the lands
Speaker 1: is like everything works together for the good always, you know,
Speaker 1: so like we we actually laughed about that the other day,
Speaker 1: like he really wanted to think called on the verge
Speaker 1: for radio, and we were praying for it for years.
Speaker 1: You know, we're like, oh, we'll get that. You know.
Speaker 1: On the verge is where all the radio stations decide
Speaker 1: to play your songs. You're like, you're single, So we
Speaker 1: were like definitely, we're definitely. You have to be like
Speaker 1: a first artist has to be your first thing and
Speaker 1: he didn't get it, and we were so bummed, and honestly,
Speaker 1: looking back, I'm really we're thankful. Like now we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm actually kind of glad that we built those relationships
Speaker 1: the hard way and like did it the long way.
Speaker 1: And now the second time around, it was it was
Speaker 1: better and it was I don't know, we just we
Speaker 1: thought it just wasn't our story. And for some people
Speaker 1: it like skyrockets them into the stratosphere and it's great.
Speaker 1: It's everyone's story is so different, but we're grateful for
Speaker 1: how ours has. You know, is turning up. God is
Speaker 1: a big part of y'all's journey. You always talk about God.
Speaker 1: I know that this is this is like the centerpiece
Speaker 1: of y'all's life, career. Marriage. Where does that come from?
Speaker 1: We both grew up in the church, so his dad
Speaker 1: is a worship pastor in Nashville. At would want Baptist.
Speaker 1: Where we got married in some preacher's kids turned the
Speaker 1: other way and getting wild and crazy. We both had
Speaker 1: our We definitely had our. I don't I know I
Speaker 1: had a I don't think I believe in God anymore faith.
Speaker 1: I had that phase in high school and he never did.
Speaker 1: He is just like the most faith like they say,
Speaker 1: like faith is a gift. He has the gift of faith,
Speaker 1: just blind, total faith. I I'm always gonna think of
Speaker 1: him like Butt of the Elf now forever. Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he really is. He really is, just not in the
Speaker 1: jump suit, but he's like world's best coffee congratulations. Um. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I grew up Pastor's sister, and so because my
Speaker 1: brother is basically old enough to be my dad, Okay,
Speaker 1: because yeah that's what you said. Your oldest brother is
Speaker 1: twenty years older. So he was my youth pastor. He
Speaker 1: like was really foundational in my beliefs and my parents
Speaker 1: are Christians, but he was more hands on, went to seminary.
Speaker 1: I was learning all these things with him that I
Speaker 1: thought were so interesting, and then I had a moment
Speaker 1: where I was like I don't think this is real.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh no, this is definitely real. Okay,
Speaker 1: So what was that moment? Why did you not think
Speaker 1: it was real? And then what made you brought me back?
Speaker 1: I went to Belmont. So in my high school in Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: there were like there were Christians, but it was no
Speaker 1: one was like I'm gonna make sacrifices for this, and
Speaker 1: I kind of was I didn't go to all the
Speaker 1: parties and I didn't do things that I thought like
Speaker 1: a good Christian should do, you know. And I moved
Speaker 1: to Nashville and I was like, there are going to
Speaker 1: be other Christians. I'm not going to be alone. And
Speaker 1: I got here and that didn't happen, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I think this is just something my family does. And
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe this isn't real. And then I
Speaker 1: kind of I didn't do anything wild and crazy to
Speaker 1: figure it out, but all of a sudden I felt
Speaker 1: different one day, I remember, and I was like, if
Speaker 1: I feel different, that means there's something to feel, so
Speaker 1: God's real. That was it. And then that was it.
Speaker 1: It was just like it felt like the joy in
Speaker 1: life was gone, okay, And I was like if I
Speaker 1: if if there's something to feel like that, then God's real.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just that simple, yeah. And we
Speaker 1: found each other way after that, like I had come
Speaker 1: full circle. I was like doing missions photography and he
Speaker 1: was leading worship at a bunch of churches and and
Speaker 1: you were not interested in dating musician, like that was
Speaker 1: not on the agenda. For day. No, definitely not so
Speaker 1: when I always found them like I would say that,
Speaker 1: but if I look at my track record, it was
Speaker 1: all music. They were all musicians. Like what is wrong
Speaker 1: with me? I was drawn to it. I guess I
Speaker 1: don't know. And so I've done some stalking on you,
Speaker 1: and obviously I know you. But so you had like
Speaker 1: maybe not the best relationship before Russell, So you got
Speaker 1: a little burned, and so you weren't necessarily open, especially
Speaker 1: to the musician, especially to relationship. How did you You
Speaker 1: talked about trusts a lot, like Russell told you to
Speaker 1: trust them, but you're like, okay, you're a human. And
Speaker 1: then finally like you've heard that God told you trust
Speaker 1: Where did that all come from? And you're so good
Speaker 1: at hearing signs from God, like hearing hearing God speak
Speaker 1: to you, He comes to you and dreams, He comes
Speaker 1: to you and signs. I want to talk to you
Speaker 1: about that because I think that's incredible. But so like,
Speaker 1: how did that come? Where you knew you had to trust?
Speaker 1: And like the to the leap you're gonna take? I
Speaker 1: I would always pray that if it wasn't God's best,
Speaker 1: whoever I was dating after that, guy. After I got burned. Um,
Speaker 1: I was like, if this isn't your best for me, God,
Speaker 1: just take him. And every single time he did, like
Speaker 1: within like two weeks. That's what I love about Your
Speaker 1: faith is like you ask and it gets answered. Well
Speaker 1: he's like that though in my obviously in my experience,
Speaker 1: but you trust so well, you trust so fully that
Speaker 1: the answer is coming. Well, it came from hard decisions
Speaker 1: like breaking up with that guy. Honestly was like, God,
Speaker 1: if if he's not going to be faithful, like I
Speaker 1: always had a fear of that and with him specifically, Um,
Speaker 1: and if that's going to be the trajectory of my
Speaker 1: life and I'm gonna have kids and this is going
Speaker 1: to happen, I need it to happen now. Yes, get out,
Speaker 1: and no joke. In the two years we had dated,
Speaker 1: he had never cheated on me. And after I prayed
Speaker 1: that he cheated six times. Wow, And I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: So it took a hard thing. I broke up with
Speaker 1: a guy I thought I was going to marry. And
Speaker 1: it's not like rainbows here and God speak, because that
Speaker 1: sucked a lot. But then when it came to rebuilding
Speaker 1: my heart and trusting someone again. I was like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: God save me the last time. He'll do it again.
Speaker 1: And it's actually a really cool story. I got to
Speaker 1: call him probably years later because I was in church
Speaker 1: and I was like, God, what's like between us? Like
Speaker 1: is there anything? Like I'm holding on too? Like just
Speaker 1: talk to me basically, and how do you talk to God?
Speaker 1: How do you kiss? In my mind? How does he
Speaker 1: answer you? How do you know when he's giving you
Speaker 1: an answer? You just know? Like it's almost like someone
Speaker 1: it's like you think of something you didn't think of,
Speaker 1: so all of a sudden, I thought will come across
Speaker 1: my mind that I know I didn't generate. And there's
Speaker 1: faith in that too, because sometimes you're like, no, I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking that, and then you just trust it and
Speaker 1: see what happens and if it's not him, it'll show itself.
Speaker 1: But in this case it was. And he was like,
Speaker 1: you don't believe I won't let you down, and I
Speaker 1: was like whoa and all knowing response, Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: some people. Everyone's different. Everyone here's got different. The feelings
Speaker 1: are dreams are In this case, he doesn't always speak
Speaker 1: like that to me, but when I asked, he usually
Speaker 1: says something, and so I I was like, immediately thought
Speaker 1: of my ex and I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I I prayed for this and all this time I
Speaker 1: thought that you hurt me and let me date someone
Speaker 1: who would hurt me, when really and he immediately was like,
Speaker 1: I saved you. And I was like, whoa, you didn't
Speaker 1: let me down. You saved me. And so immediately I
Speaker 1: remembered I had prayed for it, and I thought of
Speaker 1: how he must still be feeling um because he would
Speaker 1: come to town for the next year and try and
Speaker 1: get me back. And you were like, strong on it
Speaker 1: not happening. You made your mind, you were done. I
Speaker 1: was done. Ye also, and what you found like he
Speaker 1: cheated on you six times, And I honestly was willing
Speaker 1: to forgive him. And then I remembered what I had prayed,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my bad, Like I forgot.
Speaker 1: I totally forgot. Yeah, And I was like, I can
Speaker 1: forgive you. And anyway, it's this is the real, the
Speaker 1: real deal story. And so I called him years like
Speaker 1: years later. Russell and I maybe were married at this point,
Speaker 1: and we were in church and he was actually leading
Speaker 1: warship and I walked out and I prestled us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I called my ex and I was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: I just want you to know that that wasn't you, Like,
Speaker 1: we weren't supposed to be together and I wasn't going
Speaker 1: to see it other than that, and I just want
Speaker 1: to release you from thinking that you you messed everything up.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I prayed for this to happen
Speaker 1: if we weren't supposed to be together, and it happened,
Speaker 1: and it's not your character and it's not who you
Speaker 1: are and you're not gonna you know, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he's crying on the phone. I'm crying on you gave
Speaker 1: him serious like forgiveness and freedom, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is not going to be your future. I mean
Speaker 1: it's shifted into like prophesying over his life. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is not who you are, this is not who
Speaker 1: you're going to be. You're going to be a great
Speaker 1: dad and a great husband and and just kind of
Speaker 1: let him go, and I mean he was crying, I
Speaker 1: was crying, and what a release though. It was a
Speaker 1: really special thing actually, and then for him to have
Speaker 1: that forgiveness for me, you know, and to think that
Speaker 1: like he doesn't have to be that person and he
Speaker 1: want he's married as a kid, like he's just a
Speaker 1: good dude. I hope, I think you know, so I've
Speaker 1: gone through like the hard stuff with God, that that
Speaker 1: good stuff is that much sweeter, and so are you
Speaker 1: able to see the hard stuff now as part of
Speaker 1: God's good plan? Totally. That's something I've been learning lately,
Speaker 1: is because I used to think things were good or bad,
Speaker 1: like if something like bad happens, you know, especially in
Speaker 1: this industry, this wild industry, like it's a ruler cristal ride,
Speaker 1: and I would be like, oh, things don't go according
Speaker 1: to plan. And even with my own career, I've had
Speaker 1: a wild career in the industry. It's like so many
Speaker 1: things have blown up in my face. And in the
Speaker 1: beginning it crushed me, Like when it first started happening,
Speaker 1: I was like, how can this happen? In my life?
Speaker 1: Is over? How will we ever like move on? And
Speaker 1: then comes this next wave of lessons of learning, of
Speaker 1: things getting answered in ways that could have never been
Speaker 1: answered if if something bad per se hadn't happened, And
Speaker 1: it's made me realize that things really aren't bad. You
Speaker 1: just have to be willing to find the message in them,
Speaker 1: and it's all for the good. It's all for the good,
Speaker 1: and we just expect that God is going to do
Speaker 1: things in a way that feel right to us. But
Speaker 1: God teaches this lessons in all different ways totally, and
Speaker 1: a lot of them hurt. It's not like his goal
Speaker 1: for our lives isn't that it's like sunshine and unicorns.
Speaker 1: It's not. It's that we are good people and we're
Speaker 1: humble people, and that we love others well. And sometimes
Speaker 1: the hard stuff force you to do those things and
Speaker 1: see what really matters and what doesn't matter. And you
Speaker 1: see it. You're in Africa with little kids who are
Speaker 1: smiling bigger than anyone you've ever seen in your life,
Speaker 1: and all they have is a deflated soccer ball. Like
Speaker 1: there are things in this life that we think matter
Speaker 1: that don't at all. They just don't. They don't. And
Speaker 1: I think that perspective is what really opens our eyes
Speaker 1: to it. I totally agree, and I've like this year
Speaker 1: my word has been surrender because well it's just like
Speaker 1: I always have so many plans and I still have
Speaker 1: so many plans, and I still have so many goals,
Speaker 1: and like I want my life. I know how I
Speaker 1: want my life to look because I very visionary in
Speaker 1: my mind. But also I'm like, some of the greatest
Speaker 1: things that ever happened to me have been so off course,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's just like I'm trying to just
Speaker 1: let it all roll and if something happens that rocks
Speaker 1: my world, just get the lesson figure out why it happened.
Speaker 1: And sometimes being humbled is such a good thing too.
Speaker 1: I'm thankful to Like, even if I hadn't had that heartbreak,
Speaker 1: how would I ever relate to other girls who have
Speaker 1: been heartbroken? You know? And what if you you might
Speaker 1: not even appreciate Russ. I'm happy he is. You might
Speaker 1: just think that's how people are, just like that. No
Speaker 1: they're not. They're not. But yeah, like I'm just so
Speaker 1: even so Russ and I even broke up while we
Speaker 1: were dating, okay, or I'll just just test it out
Speaker 1: to make sure. When I broke up to we were
Speaker 1: just we just graduated college. He was about to take
Speaker 1: off and be this superstar and I was I was
Speaker 1: still figuring my stuff out too, And so even when that,
Speaker 1: even when that ended, I still was praying God, if
Speaker 1: this is not your best, if this isn't your best
Speaker 1: for me, like take him. And so when that happened,
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, maybe it's not Russell. And I
Speaker 1: just had so much peace because I had already done this,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'd already in so in turn, I
Speaker 1: didn't get all clingy on him and be like but
Speaker 1: but no, no, no, we're supposed to be together. We're
Speaker 1: supposed to be together. Your faith was strong. I just
Speaker 1: let him go. I let him go, and and uh,
Speaker 1: I prayed for him and prayed. I was like I
Speaker 1: would still be like if it's if it him, bring
Speaker 1: him back. If it's not, I don't want him. And
Speaker 1: sure enough, within about a month he came back and
Speaker 1: he called me on Thanksgiving. While in that month I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm thankful for you, and I was like,
Speaker 1: excuse me, what why are you calling me here? Like
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just thought about you and I
Speaker 1: just wanted to tell you a thankful for you. It's
Speaker 1: like okay. Because he was like we'll be friends. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, hell no, I've never been one of
Speaker 1: those people to friends of excess. No. I was like,
Speaker 1: you do not get both, my friends, you do not
Speaker 1: get both. And and I think that honestly helped a
Speaker 1: lot because I could just really let him go and
Speaker 1: I wasn't half there, half not and not lukewarm. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, you're all in or you're not. And
Speaker 1: he came back and it was all in. And then
Speaker 1: how long until you get married? After that? He proposed
Speaker 1: a year in a month or so after that, and
Speaker 1: then we got married three months after that. As soon
Speaker 1: as we were engaged, was a very very we were like,
Speaker 1: let's just let's get married. Weren't living together there, you know,
Speaker 1: we were like, we're so excited to be married. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't excited about a wedding, like I really. I
Speaker 1: was like this sounds so stressful, especially as the only girl.
Speaker 1: I was like, pressure is on, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I have kind of a low key wedding. There's six
Speaker 1: hundred people, Oh my god, receptions. No, I'm not a
Speaker 1: very anxious person, which also I think helps with this
Speaker 1: whole road because of your faith that you don't have anxiety.
Speaker 1: Probably probably you're so solid in your faith four hours
Speaker 1: a day. No, there's plenty of times I'm like hello God,
Speaker 1: Hello ding ding being right here. You know, there's plenty
Speaker 1: of times. But or when a friend of mine just
Speaker 1: went through something so hard. And there are plenty of
Speaker 1: times I'm like, God, where are you in this? Because
Speaker 1: this is not good and because life happens and we're
Speaker 1: not in heaven so it's just not going to be
Speaker 1: heaven here and I understand that, but um, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: plenty of times that I'm like, hello, this isn't cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is really really hard. And there were plenty of
Speaker 1: times in his career the last five years we've been
Speaker 1: like where are you? I know, I know. I think
Speaker 1: though that everyone has that journey, especially it's okay, it's
Speaker 1: more human beings. Like if anyone tells you they never
Speaker 1: question anything anytime, I'd be like concerned unless their rustle
Speaker 1: and they have the gift of faith. Like I mean,
Speaker 1: he just really is like a fairy and God is
Speaker 1: everywhere And what's so cute? What would it be to
Speaker 1: be like him for a day? I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm honestly kind of scared. Like his he
Speaker 1: has serious a d D c oh, it's like ping ping, ping,
Speaker 1: ping ping. It's so funny. We were just talking about
Speaker 1: how he's starting his vlog, which who knows if this
Speaker 1: will ever even happen. I'm going to be honest because
Speaker 1: his d D is like I'm super into this right now,
Speaker 1: and then yeah he's doing the whole thing. Okay, but
Speaker 1: it's like I've watched his first episode and it truly
Speaker 1: is like insight into his brain. Okay, because this is
Speaker 1: his actually because it's he is shooting, he's choosing what
Speaker 1: to film's so it is like all over the place,
Speaker 1: like it is like a trip through his brain. It's
Speaker 1: so exciting. Yeah, it's exciting. I'm excited. I'm excited, and
Speaker 1: I'm just glad I'm not doing it. I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: kind of fun with the camera, babe, I'm going to chill.
Speaker 1: It's a change of roles because you're the videographer of
Speaker 1: the family. Hello to CMT Number one Videos. How is
Speaker 1: that weird? Like it's so funny. I'm super proud of
Speaker 1: it because female directors are really rare, like really rare,
Speaker 1: Like we were nominated for Breakthrough Video last year at
Speaker 1: CMT S. Just making sure we're filming, I had to
Speaker 1: rig my situation so it couldn't check. Yeah, we should
Speaker 1: take I should take a picture of what's happening over here.
Speaker 1: To put on. That's how I'll posts that we're doing
Speaker 1: this podcast. Um. So we were nominated for CMT Breakthrough
Speaker 1: Video with Yours Yes, which was purely just me and
Speaker 1: him and our friend been driving. And that was also
Speaker 1: a leap of faith video because at that point there
Speaker 1: wasn't a whole lot going on with Russell's career. No,
Speaker 1: there was nothing. Everyone had said no, everyone had said no,
Speaker 1: And so you said, okay, let me just go and
Speaker 1: film this video. Yeah. Well I had so my fourth brother,
Speaker 1: the one whose apartment we're in, and also you have
Speaker 1: a getaway in l A which we have to talk about.
Speaker 1: He moved to Santa Barbara, but he was rent controlled
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, we're gonna take this over.
Speaker 1: It's a dream. So he is a director, has done
Speaker 1: tons of major, major music videos, and so I was
Speaker 1: a junior in college and he was like, hey, I
Speaker 1: just gotten a nice camera for Christmas and he had
Speaker 1: this video job come through that they didn't initially like
Speaker 1: the first video that was shot, so all the budget
Speaker 1: was gone and he's like, I have five thousand dollars
Speaker 1: to pull off a video, wasn't it. Jones? He's like,
Speaker 1: can you bring your camera, and I was like sure,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I've never done this, and he
Speaker 1: was like, was like coming into her moment. H No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like come away with me, but it was
Speaker 1: like shortly after and within like five years of that,
Speaker 1: I don't know. And so we flew out. I was like,
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Where are we going? He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm taking you to New York. We're doing this. So
Speaker 1: I'm a junior college. I have never shot a music
Speaker 1: video in my life. I just did photography, so I
Speaker 1: don't know why I said photography so weird. I did photography,
Speaker 1: like head shots all out in the music school at Elmont.
Speaker 1: And then he was like, I've seen your eye. A
Speaker 1: good eye is a good eye like you. I'll teach
Speaker 1: you how to film. You already have the other part.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, thanks bro, thank you. So he
Speaker 1: flew me and I was like, where are we going.
Speaker 1: He's like, do you know who Norah Jones is? And
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, I come away that we had
Speaker 1: come out. Okay, so she's already she's already a superstar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he has a five thousand dollar budget for a video.
Speaker 1: I don't know how does this happen. Well, they didn't
Speaker 1: like the first video that they that was made that
Speaker 1: used the budget, so then they're just like they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's redo it, and they get worse. Let's go with
Speaker 1: that other guy that we didn't pick his treatment and
Speaker 1: give him the tiniest budget in the world. And so
Speaker 1: we filmed it all in her apartment and all these
Speaker 1: different other places too. But yeah, just around New York.
Speaker 1: Just shot b Roll and he did some stuff out
Speaker 1: in l A. So he was like I want He's like,
Speaker 1: I have enough on my reel. I'm putting you his
Speaker 1: DP of this music director of photography so like the cinematographer.
Speaker 1: And I was like that, excuse big job, Like I
Speaker 1: didn't even know how to do that. Cinematogray ghetography found you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is it? Honestly, I wasn't like I'm going to be
Speaker 1: a cinematographer. So I'd already done it with Nora Jones,
Speaker 1: with Door Jones. That's a good start. So then I
Speaker 1: came back and I did other music videos in Nashville.
Speaker 1: Like low budget, did that give you a good confidence boost? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess. Let me raise my rates and make a living.
Speaker 1: But like that's the girl that did the Nora Jones video.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, guys, I'm a professional for sure. So
Speaker 1: then when every label said no to him, I was like,
Speaker 1: we can do this, Like, we can do this ourselves.
Speaker 1: And how did you come up with the idea? Because
Speaker 1: it's literally Russell walking down a road then it starts raining.
Speaker 1: Random but totally worked out because that wasn't planned, right, No, no,
Speaker 1: So we were just going to shoot test footage in
Speaker 1: a storm was like rolling in because I wanted to
Speaker 1: be sure. I wanted to slow it down and speed
Speaker 1: up the music because it asked whatever, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to be sure that I know that I
Speaker 1: can do this. So we went out there and as
Speaker 1: we're coming, this storm is just rolling in and I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, we needed we need to get somewhre quick, quickquick,
Speaker 1: Like we hadn't even done location scouting. We're outside of
Speaker 1: the prison in in West Nashville. Yeah, there's fire or
Speaker 1: tornado sirens going off and we couldn't hear them. But
Speaker 1: now looking back, I think that's why we didn't get
Speaker 1: stopped because everyone was under cover. We were only there
Speaker 1: for like an hour and a half, and he just
Speaker 1: walked down this road. Cars would come and we'd have
Speaker 1: to like redo it, and I'd be like, hurry, hurry, hurry,
Speaker 1: the rain's coming. So we were driving and I was
Speaker 1: again I was like, God, it would be nice if
Speaker 1: I got all of my shots that I need before
Speaker 1: the rain comes, and then once I'm done, I needed
Speaker 1: to downpour and I have to get some shots of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thats what happened. And we went back out there to
Speaker 1: shoot his EP and meanwhile we're leaving and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'd called my cinematographer friend in l A. He's like,
Speaker 1: I mean did stuff with the Gray's anatomy, like he's insane,
Speaker 1: and he didn't get back to me because I was like,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be sure I was doing the
Speaker 1: show array everything right. And he calls me after we're done,
Speaker 1: and I was like, please tell me that this was right.
Speaker 1: He goes, That's exactly what I would have told you
Speaker 1: to do. I was like, thank god, because I was like,
Speaker 1: I got all this lightning and I was like, I
Speaker 1: can't recreate this. If this happened like I needed this
Speaker 1: werk right. It did, And that was kind of your
Speaker 1: first real videos to direct all by yourself first and
Speaker 1: it goes to number one on CMT and you get
Speaker 1: nominated for a CMT Music Video of the Year award.
Speaker 1: Yet I mean, what is that? Yeah? It was and
Speaker 1: the first video I edited the whole thing like it
Speaker 1: was all in a house. So you also were kind
Speaker 1: of like, oh, that's what's so cool about y'all are
Speaker 1: so self made as a team too, because he's obviously
Speaker 1: the artist with the music, but you are visually creating
Speaker 1: when he shows me songs and new demos, like I
Speaker 1: see the video and Blue Tacoma was one of my
Speaker 1: favorite that made you just feel like that, like the
Speaker 1: drone looks and everything you're on a piece, Like I
Speaker 1: just want everyone to feel like they're they're like they
Speaker 1: took this road triple with us. I don't want other
Speaker 1: people in it. I wanted to feel like we're in
Speaker 1: our own world, and I feel like we didn't. So
Speaker 1: I brought that brother in to direct with me on
Speaker 1: this one because I was like, I don't know how
Speaker 1: to do all the permits and stuff. Kidding me, it's
Speaker 1: like a road trip. There was so many places we
Speaker 1: needed permits and all the legal stuff really sucks to
Speaker 1: Joy and he had um he had done a Mercedes
Speaker 1: commercial and so he used those same drone guys on this,
Speaker 1: so he had all the connections of who he wanted.
Speaker 1: So it was it was pretty great and that one
Speaker 1: also made number one. I mean it's crazy. So you guys, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: this is what I love about you guys too, because
Speaker 1: like I feel like for eight years or so, y'all
Speaker 1: were praying for success, right or how long was it? Gosh, well,
Speaker 1: really since we got married, which was five and a
Speaker 1: half years ago. But he's been at this since we graduated.
Speaker 1: He signed his first publishing deal in two thousand. When
Speaker 1: did we graduate college? Two eleven? Okay, so he's been
Speaker 1: at this for eight years. So eight years of waiting,
Speaker 1: of believing, of preparing, planning seeds. I just talked into
Speaker 1: my coffee on hey, I like it, uh yeah, And
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, all this hard work just
Speaker 1: like overflows and pays off. And was it like one
Speaker 1: year that it all happened? What was the year? Was two?
Speaker 1: Went number one? Like a week ago? Last year? This
Speaker 1: last till like a year ago? So year a week ago?
Speaker 1: Eighteen was y'alls year that everything was like we got
Speaker 1: our first bus. We're not driving a van anymore. For
Speaker 1: he's god, um first bus, two number ones, like a
Speaker 1: CMT nom he was nominated for a c M S
Speaker 1: Wild and I Heart New Artists. That has that happened yet?
Speaker 1: Not yet? I mean on awesome tours to Lady Antebellento
Speaker 1: or something else. We're and so spoiled with tours, Like
Speaker 1: how is that because Charles and Cassie of Lady A Yes,
Speaker 1: my my people, how is that touring with some of
Speaker 1: your best sis We've only toured with our best fees,
Speaker 1: which we didn't know is like rare so Thomas Rhette,
Speaker 1: Thomas Rhette, Florida Georgia Line and Lady Antebellin. That's truly
Speaker 1: our best friends in the industry partially, So tr threw
Speaker 1: us a bone like he was like, this guy is
Speaker 1: going to be someone. Just trust me because he asked
Speaker 1: him on tour. Oh gosh, when was that? It was
Speaker 1: not this last year, the year before that before, It
Speaker 1: wasn't even on the radio. We didn't even never just
Speaker 1: gave him a shot and he had seen the video.
Speaker 1: We showed it to them and him and Tyler showed
Speaker 1: Tyler and Hayley Tyler Hubbard. Yes, and Tyler was like,
Speaker 1: you guys gotta show tr the video, like, you gotta
Speaker 1: show him, and so we showed him and tr And
Speaker 1: never heard Russ sing and was like, dude, but well
Speaker 1: we're friends with them. He has never heard him seeing yet.
Speaker 1: You know. This was like this was right when we
Speaker 1: shot the video as Tyler Hubbard's wedding. That's how long
Speaker 1: ago this was. So that was I think a year
Speaker 1: after we got married. So this is like four or
Speaker 1: five years ago, because he released Yours four years before
Speaker 1: it went number one, and he released it with the
Speaker 1: video that yeah it's been around. Yeah, so that far
Speaker 1: back and TR saw and then shortly after he saw
Speaker 1: his like streams were climbing, and then asked him on
Speaker 1: tour and he told me. First we're playing darts after
Speaker 1: freaking see MT something at some bar in Green Hills.
Speaker 1: He's like, can I tell you something? It was like what,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm gonna ask for Uss on tour
Speaker 1: and I was like like freaking out and he was
Speaker 1: like you can't tell him though, I was like, well
Speaker 1: why did you tell me? I was like, this is
Speaker 1: the meanest thing you've ever done to me. As I said.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was supposed to keep this a secret.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, absolutely not. Like I
Speaker 1: don't keep secrets from him one too, I don't keep
Speaker 1: really great things from him, Like what do you do?
Speaker 1: I made him tell him by the end of the night, Okay,
Speaker 1: I was like, tr has something he'd like to tell you.
Speaker 1: Russell was so great. We were at with Ryan Heard
Speaker 1: and Kelsey Ballerini and tr Oh my god, it was
Speaker 1: just like it was so it was like so young.
Speaker 1: First of all, everyone was under thirty I'm pretty sure,
Speaker 1: and just a blast touring life. And then we went
Speaker 1: out with F G L and then did some more
Speaker 1: shows with Thomas Rhett and then Lady A. So tell
Speaker 1: me what you have gathered from being on tour. What
Speaker 1: is tour life like for you? And what have you
Speaker 1: learned from being on tour with all of these people
Speaker 1: who are your besties and friends and then also you know, colleagues.
Speaker 1: It's more of a family than you would imagine, and
Speaker 1: especially now because tr and Lauren have two children and
Speaker 1: you were a big part. You went to Africa Lauren
Speaker 1: when she was getting Willow Gray. I documented that whole
Speaker 1: process for her and just so they would have it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they'll do or but she a
Speaker 1: lot of people wanted to document it, and she was
Speaker 1: like it's way too personal. She was like I need
Speaker 1: I need you there, and she told me on a
Speaker 1: Thursday or Wednesday, and we were leaving the next Wednesday.
Speaker 1: She's like, will you come and I was like, uh sure,
Speaker 1: and I go. I go to get my shots and
Speaker 1: Vanderbilt wouldn't give them to me. They're like, you need
Speaker 1: these ten days out. I was like, well, I didn't
Speaker 1: know I was going to Africa until like now, so
Speaker 1: I don't know what you want me to do. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like I need a Yellow card and they're like,
Speaker 1: we won't do it. So they gave me a whole
Speaker 1: list of places and I don't say anything. I was like, God,
Speaker 1: I need you to tell me what I wanna call like.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't have time for this, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this one I just like that one.
Speaker 1: Just it just was like a feeling and I call
Speaker 1: and they're like, sorry, we're not doing this today. We're
Speaker 1: something and she was like, let me take your name
Speaker 1: and I'll call you tomorrow. And so like Kaylee Dickerson
Speaker 1: and she does, wait a second, what's your husband's name?
Speaker 1: Are you serious? And I was like Russell. She goes,
Speaker 1: can I call you right back? And I was like sure.
Speaker 1: So she calls me back and she was like, okay,
Speaker 1: you can come in today anytime. They super fan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess. I was like, excuse me? Why did she goes,
Speaker 1: I took care of it. I'm such a fan, like,
Speaker 1: I'll get you in. Oh my gosh. And I was
Speaker 1: like thank you. So I got it. And then that
Speaker 1: day we flew to Thomas Rutt's birthday in Vegas. It
Speaker 1: was a c M S. And Lauren was like, she'd
Speaker 1: mind you. They were like, this could make you sick.
Speaker 1: It's the yellow fever shot or something. You can make
Speaker 1: you feel like you have. She was also super pregnant. Yes.
Speaker 1: This is also when she was pregnant. Yes, and they
Speaker 1: thought they couldn't have kids. So that's a miracle in itself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh it's amazing. So they're like, you could make you
Speaker 1: sick and she leaves the room and I was like,
Speaker 1: not in Jesus name, I'm not getting sick. I can't
Speaker 1: get sick. No that I go to Vegas and I
Speaker 1: was like, Lauren, I got my shot. Everything's cool, and
Speaker 1: she was like, how do you feel. I was like fine,
Speaker 1: She's like, this is the shot Tyler got that made
Speaker 1: him miss and Award show that Tomas had to sub
Speaker 1: for him because he actually had the flute from it.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I'm great. It doesn't make
Speaker 1: everyone sick like Cassie Kelly just got it. I was like,
Speaker 1: how do you feel. She's like great, But because she's
Speaker 1: in Africa right now, right here on her way, do
Speaker 1: you all go to the same place. I know Lauren
Speaker 1: is taking a trip to just kind of bring people
Speaker 1: into what they're doing with Love One and chow them
Speaker 1: how they're changing all these kids lives and it's incredible
Speaker 1: what they're doing. And so I've been there, I've seen it.
Speaker 1: I tried to go this year. I wanted to go,
Speaker 1: but it was overlapping the tour and it's his first
Speaker 1: headlining tour, which is also amazing. Carle our girl, Carly Pearce,
Speaker 1: and they both have a Russell to be soon hit
Speaker 1: every little thing, every little thing, which is saronic that
Speaker 1: they both have, like Hue. They thought about calling the
Speaker 1: tour that they went back and forth, maybe do a
Speaker 1: mash up. I don't know, but it's it's a quick
Speaker 1: little tour. It's only four weeks that been as a
Speaker 1: headlining in because going from all these tours of your friends,
Speaker 1: colleagues all that, like, oh, he has dreamt of this
Speaker 1: for so long and in his mind like he designed
Speaker 1: the lights, like he he had it all up here
Speaker 1: and just was like, go talk to me about how
Speaker 1: it's going. What's the response been? It is insane, Like
Speaker 1: he'll finish blue too. Cooma. I cried first of all
Speaker 1: the first night because they were saying every little thing
Speaker 1: so loud, so loud, and I was like, this isn't
Speaker 1: even like top forty. I don't think. I was like,
Speaker 1: what is going on? And I just I mean, I
Speaker 1: looked around. I was like, I'm not the only one here,
Speaker 1: because there's plenty of shows. I was one thing like
Speaker 1: and I would just stand up there once. I remember
Speaker 1: specifically in Georgia and my brother was there and the
Speaker 1: boys had set everything up sound checked, and then no
Speaker 1: one cared, like no one. It was a pool hall
Speaker 1: and it was just me and my brother and sister
Speaker 1: in law, and we just stood up there like dance
Speaker 1: like crazy people because we're like, we're sorry, no one
Speaker 1: else is here, you know. And so I looked out
Speaker 1: and there was like over two thousand people and I
Speaker 1: was like, just I mean, just to come from nothing
Speaker 1: to that, just the feeling that you have to feel.
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful. Hard work, believe, the persistence, the faith.
Speaker 1: It makes you grateful. You're not you don't resent it.
Speaker 1: You're not like, oh, we're going. There are plenty of
Speaker 1: people who are like, oh, we have to go to
Speaker 1: this station, and we are like we get to go,
Speaker 1: like you know how long we prayed to have a
Speaker 1: conversation on radio, Like are you kidding me? So I
Speaker 1: think the grind and the hustle is lends itself to
Speaker 1: so much more gratitude than anything else can. It's not
Speaker 1: nothing against anyone it was given to, but like it's
Speaker 1: just not going to lend itself to being really grateful
Speaker 1: because it is. It takes a lot out of you.
Speaker 1: It is it is, and you have to like love
Speaker 1: this with your entire heart. You can't half love it.
Speaker 1: You can, so you'll just get you won't make it,
Speaker 1: and maybe you do, and then you resent it and
Speaker 1: then it's just that's not a way to live. I
Speaker 1: interviewed Jesse All exam her a while ago. She's a
Speaker 1: huge songwriter and awesome and I love her. I love
Speaker 1: her so much. And we were talking about just the
Speaker 1: grind and you know, being in the music industry, and
Speaker 1: she was like, everybody will get humbled at some point,
Speaker 1: you know, and so it's just like some people come
Speaker 1: in and they're huge and it's like instant, but like
Speaker 1: everybody is going to get humbled because you just it's
Speaker 1: a part of it's a part of life. It's a
Speaker 1: part of the journey. And so like like you're saying,
Speaker 1: to have had all those years of grinding to know
Speaker 1: what it feels like to have no one at the shows,
Speaker 1: to you know, to still have your faith for it,
Speaker 1: it makes it so sweet and you will always just
Speaker 1: have this appreciation to be there. Oh my gosh, Yes,
Speaker 1: yes and amen. We said that the other day of
Speaker 1: how Um someone was just talking about like artists comparing
Speaker 1: themselves to each other and feeling like there's enough room
Speaker 1: at the table, right, And I was like, we learned
Speaker 1: that lesson in a very quiet place because Rust actually
Speaker 1: turned down the deal f GL took and we watched
Speaker 1: them blow up in front of our faces. And at
Speaker 1: first we were like, dang it, did we make a mistake,
Speaker 1: But that was never our deal and it wouldn't have
Speaker 1: worked for him because we didn't have crews like they
Speaker 1: had crews. Like just as simple as that is that
Speaker 1: the x M radio deal, No, it was. They're like
Speaker 1: publishing kind of label dealer at the time, and still
Speaker 1: they still are with It's big loud and Russ had
Speaker 1: turned it down and we were like, oh, did we
Speaker 1: make a mistake because nothing's happening for us, And like
Speaker 1: we learned that was theirs and there's no comparison, there's
Speaker 1: no you cannot be like. We chose to celebrate them
Speaker 1: and cheer them on, and I feel like that is
Speaker 1: such a pivotal and I think that's why he has
Speaker 1: what he has, in my opinion, because he will champion
Speaker 1: everyone around him. He's not mad when someone gets something
Speaker 1: he wants that. He's been through that and we we
Speaker 1: just did that in a quiet place. We went through
Speaker 1: it so that now we're not ruining relation and chips
Speaker 1: because there are some people who like kind of you know,
Speaker 1: they're just not as welcoming or they think that they
Speaker 1: have to upstage or whatever, and we're like there's room
Speaker 1: at the table. I love what you're saying because like
Speaker 1: I'm in a different way, like I'm kind of a
Speaker 1: career wise, and then also like I've been on a
Speaker 1: big pregnancy journey and like we miscarriage and like we
Speaker 1: tried for a long time to get pregnant and didn't happen.
Speaker 1: And it's just like I chose from the beginning that
Speaker 1: I was always going to be happy to support my
Speaker 1: friends who were having success in babies, because exactly like
Speaker 1: you're saying, it is so easy to want to feel
Speaker 1: sorry for yourself, to get upset, to be angry at
Speaker 1: the situation, and saying with like music, career, like something
Speaker 1: can go so great for you and then fall apart
Speaker 1: and us and it's like if you're going to let
Speaker 1: you're you can feel sad and upset for yourself, But
Speaker 1: to not be able to celebrate other people, I feel
Speaker 1: like it's such a you're you're missing out. You really
Speaker 1: miss out on joys of life because yours will come,
Speaker 1: you know, totally will come. It might only come if
Speaker 1: you choose to celebrate other people. Yeah, I only come
Speaker 1: that way. And just like when you see people who
Speaker 1: it can be hard sometimes because you can be in
Speaker 1: a really hard season of life and everyone else can
Speaker 1: be totally flourishing around you. But still it's like you
Speaker 1: have to have that faith that what's for you will
Speaker 1: be for you and celebrate other people. I love that
Speaker 1: you said that, because that is something I have just
Speaker 1: been noticing and thinking about it all the time, because
Speaker 1: when you are in a hard season, you want to
Speaker 1: feel sad sometimes, but you're like, no, this is bigger
Speaker 1: than me and totally someone else getting something doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you won't exactly why is that? I don't know even
Speaker 1: fear that everyone Well, that's part of the problem with
Speaker 1: thinking like there's not enough. Right that God is He's infinite,
Speaker 1: literally infinite. So what he has him giving one thing
Speaker 1: to something, He's not out of it now, Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: not running his stockhold is depleting like it's He is infinite,
Speaker 1: like it never ends, like it's all good, you know,
Speaker 1: And I think you have to realize that and believe
Speaker 1: it in order to celebrate other people. I agree the
Speaker 1: secret to life celebrating other people a then to that,
Speaker 1: I think it is. I love that, So how do
Speaker 1: you okay? So when y'all were in a period where
Speaker 1: it wasn't going Whoever, you turned down an opportunity, how
Speaker 1: how did you deal with it privately and how did
Speaker 1: you Was that a decision that you made or was
Speaker 1: it just like how did you work through that? I
Speaker 1: think we kind of ran towards it instead of like
Speaker 1: backing away from our friendships. We ran straight to the
Speaker 1: heart of it, and we got nothing but closer with
Speaker 1: Tyler and Haley, And I mean we would go to
Speaker 1: their beautiful home and then come back to our little
Speaker 1: duplex that we were renting, you know, and there were
Speaker 1: plenty of opportunities to be jealous or you know, I
Speaker 1: want what your neighbor has, but we're like, no, we're
Speaker 1: gonna love the crap out of them, and we're just
Speaker 1: going to be best friend and change our friend. There's
Speaker 1: some of our sweetest dearest, there's some of the greatest
Speaker 1: people on the planet on like, they're just wonderful people.
Speaker 1: And if we would have let that come between us
Speaker 1: and resentment or whatever, which I'm sure he doesn't even
Speaker 1: if he heard this, he'd be like, what that was
Speaker 1: hard for you guys, But you've never even talked about it,
Speaker 1: because it truly we we just ran towards it instead
Speaker 1: of been shying away. Yeah, like we're gonna love them,
Speaker 1: We're just gonna love him. I really admire that, I
Speaker 1: really do, because that is such a incredible trait to have,
Speaker 1: and it shows how much faith you have and how
Speaker 1: loving you are as a human, because that that's one
Speaker 1: of the hardest things. I mean, what is it Like
Speaker 1: it's it's just one of the seven deadly sins, jobs
Speaker 1: or whatever, and it's like it happens everyone, especially in
Speaker 1: this industry. That's why navigating it in the way that
Speaker 1: you guys have chosen to navigate it with faith, with love,
Speaker 1: with you know, just working on yourself and your art
Speaker 1: and celebrating everyone else like that is really really inspiring.
Speaker 1: It really is not always been easy, but it's it's
Speaker 1: worth it. It is so worth it. And then look
Speaker 1: at your joyful life, you know, just trying to be
Speaker 1: like unicorns and rainbows over here. He makes it pretty easy.
Speaker 1: Talk to me about Europe, because y'all entre on a
Speaker 1: big europe trip. Yes, we went to Matricks speaking of
Speaker 1: and you said that you were thinking Paris might let
Speaker 1: you down, but it didn't. It did not. I thought
Speaker 1: it was going to be get because you have this
Speaker 1: like imagination and this like picture, like it's going to
Speaker 1: be so romantic and it's going to be this and that. Granted,
Speaker 1: I've come to learn whether determines if I like a city.
Speaker 1: So like, we went to Amsterdam on this same trip,
Speaker 1: but it was rainy and it was cold, and I
Speaker 1: was getting kind of sick and I need to go
Speaker 1: back because I didn't love it. Because of that, weren't
Speaker 1: feeling great. And someone we know when they were in
Speaker 1: Paris it was like that, so they didn't love it.
Speaker 1: When we were there, it was like seventy every day
Speaker 1: and sunny, like high of seventy, so it was like fall,
Speaker 1: like early fall, and it was incredible. It was incredible.
Speaker 1: Food did you eat incredible? What did you have? Pasta
Speaker 1: every day? Like everything? Mckerelss, I don't even know. But
Speaker 1: we don't speak French. So the secret, I will say,
Speaker 1: the secret is trying because you know, everyone's like French
Speaker 1: people are so rude, they hate us bah ba. So
Speaker 1: we would walk around and be like do they hate us,
Speaker 1: do they love us? Do they hate us? And if
Speaker 1: you try to communicate in French, they will be more
Speaker 1: welcoming to you. That's what we learned. So what how
Speaker 1: would you speak to them? Poju? Probably England. We'd be
Speaker 1: like do you speak English in French? And then they
Speaker 1: would be like yes, And then they're more likely to
Speaker 1: be kind to you because I said, if you walking
Speaker 1: in being like hey, can I get assuming they speak English? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think that's why, because we just assume they know
Speaker 1: our language. Like what if someone was French walked up
Speaker 1: to you and just started, You'd be like excuse me,
Speaker 1: Like do I look French? Like I'm not it? But
Speaker 1: the food was crazy. We did per Cassie Kelly's recommendation.
Speaker 1: She has like everywhere she did. You just text her
Speaker 1: and you're like, hey, I'm going here. She sends you
Speaker 1: an entire note of every location, every rushing keep notes everything, yes,
Speaker 1: every city. She's incredible goals. I call her the first
Speaker 1: Lady of Countribution. She so fashionable, she like knows how.
Speaker 1: She like accidentally flips houses like she goes in and
Speaker 1: makes them so fabulous that people come over and they're like,
Speaker 1: I'm buying your house and then she has to do
Speaker 1: it all over again. And her style is just impeccable,
Speaker 1: perfect every time. She's just who she is. It just
Speaker 1: uses out of her and she just loves fabulous. But
Speaker 1: she she calls everything fabulous, which is my favorite. Like
Speaker 1: it never used that word until I was around Cassie,
Speaker 1: and she would be like, it's fabulous because that's what
Speaker 1: she does. She's just the best. But she has entire
Speaker 1: list of every city. I started putting them in Yelp.
Speaker 1: So I'm like trying to find a way. I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's probably a better way to do this, so comment
Speaker 1: if you know one, but I want to start having
Speaker 1: like the Glitz or whatever lists in Yelp to share
Speaker 1: I love. I don't know if that's a thing, but
Speaker 1: I started putting hers in there and like the ones
Speaker 1: we liked, and started writing reviews and trying to have
Speaker 1: different cities that I could be like, hey go because
Speaker 1: then when you're going to Paris. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you can do this, but you could go to my
Speaker 1: profile right your Yelp profile and then see what I've saved, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then be like, oh, that one's kind of close
Speaker 1: to us because with her list, I have to yelp
Speaker 1: everyone to know where it is and find it. And
Speaker 1: so I've started like putting them into take her list verbatim. Uh,
Speaker 1: we went to at least three of the places she recommended,
Speaker 1: and they're all just saulous. She would say, yeah, one
Speaker 1: of them. We spent the most money we've ever spent
Speaker 1: on a meal. Truly. It was right after Blue Tacoma
Speaker 1: went number one. I gotta celebrate. Oh yeah, so we
Speaker 1: hadn't done like a big celebration dinner. So we did
Speaker 1: this eight course stop something. What did you eat? Everything
Speaker 1: was soft. That's a funny thing about the French. I'm like,
Speaker 1: do they not have teeth? Like everything stop? It's like
Speaker 1: moose full girl like everything. Okay. Yeah. I was like,
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna do these things, you're gonna do them here.
Speaker 1: So that I good. I like them or don't. That's
Speaker 1: good because an American version, who knows, they could be
Speaker 1: totally messing. I shouldn't have said that. I should be
Speaker 1: more open minded. Well, everything like they had s cargo
Speaker 1: and every little, every teeny tiny portion it was like
Speaker 1: a little quail wing. It was like this big and
Speaker 1: it was like the meat was like that and you
Speaker 1: just it was yeah, and then all these desserts and
Speaker 1: wine pairings. It was crazy. It was crazy. Some of it.
Speaker 1: Some of it. I was like, I could use a
Speaker 1: little crunch. But that's are like all these teeny tiny
Speaker 1: moose is soups, and that's why everyone so teeny tiny
Speaker 1: and France, you think are they don't know? I don't
Speaker 1: know that they aren't. Just I don't think. I noticed
Speaker 1: everything was fatty. Everything was fatty. Okay, it's like real food.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like it's so much trucessed. And we
Speaker 1: had an Italian meal there that they wheeled out a
Speaker 1: whole thing of parmesan and they like scraped it and
Speaker 1: lit it on fire and like tossed my pasta in it.
Speaker 1: Did you die? Oh? It was one of the best,
Speaker 1: and you like, I feel like I was like, just
Speaker 1: behind Russell's head, We're in this little alley, what is
Speaker 1: life right now? Honestly, I would go back anytime. It
Speaker 1: was the last place I wanted to go before we
Speaker 1: start talking about having kids, because I was like, I
Speaker 1: want to go to Paris. So we're talking about having kids.
Speaker 1: We're talking about it. Okay, we're talking about Hey, I
Speaker 1: like the kid combo. Oh yeah, we're working on it. Well,
Speaker 1: we're always working on it. But we've been married five years,
Speaker 1: and that was my like, I want five years of
Speaker 1: just us. I love that because I wanted to know
Speaker 1: just if if anything comes whatever, Like I know what
Speaker 1: us is so strong intrinsically Is that the right word.
Speaker 1: I don't know, just such a foundation that I know
Speaker 1: who we are, that you can feel if it changes.
Speaker 1: I totally get that when I want I've been together
Speaker 1: now ten years. Yes, we to year break in between,
Speaker 1: but like two years, two years, I don't think I
Speaker 1: knew that. I knew that it had a nice little
Speaker 1: break in between. That's not even a break that's like
Speaker 1: a breakup. That is a breakup. We were on a break.
Speaker 1: We broke up. I moved cities in states and like
Speaker 1: I didn't know if we're gonna get back together. Weren't
Speaker 1: even Texas or something. Moved to Austin and uh, but
Speaker 1: I feel like that same way we have been through
Speaker 1: so much. Like I've been with him to was years old.
Speaker 1: I was twenty four and older and we were the
Speaker 1: flip Okay, so I was twenty one, Russ was. I
Speaker 1: think when we started dating, I personally for me and
Speaker 1: every story is different. I'm so glad to have gone
Speaker 1: through all of this license developing together, even though it
Speaker 1: has been like the broke, a lot of but also
Speaker 1: most exciting phases you could ever be in, because I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we have survived so much, so much, like we have
Speaker 1: lived through all these things that I know now when
Speaker 1: we bring a child into this world, like you are saying,
Speaker 1: I know who we are through and through, Like there's
Speaker 1: there's nothing you could tell me about Michael, nothing, nothing
Speaker 1: that could shock me saying you know, we're so I
Speaker 1: know him better probably than I even know myself, honestly,
Speaker 1: because I'm around him and better than I know myself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, Like we know how to fight with
Speaker 1: each other now, like learning all that fighting nice. You
Speaker 1: gotta fight nice, You gotta fight nice, because in the
Speaker 1: beginning we weren't perfect at fighting. Me I wasn't. Fighting
Speaker 1: is a learned skill. Okay, so how did you guys
Speaker 1: learn how to fight? How do you all fighting? Um?
Speaker 1: We it is a learned skill, Yeah, it really is
Speaker 1: and involves respect, but not I think he was so
Speaker 1: afraid of commitment, which shocks a lot of people, because
Speaker 1: thank god, I'm yours right, But he was so afraid
Speaker 1: of commitment that I had to learn how to fight
Speaker 1: with him really gracefully and really more so just disagreeing.
Speaker 1: And we couldn't have big fights because I would freak
Speaker 1: him out. So I kind of learned, probably a bad trait,
Speaker 1: to like stuff it and find a way to I
Speaker 1: would sleep on it and I would find a way
Speaker 1: to say it kindly in the morning or like but
Speaker 1: really stuffing it for a long time. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I couldn't stuff it for too long, but take ownership,
Speaker 1: like really zoom out of this situation because I wasn't
Speaker 1: as emotional the next day. It's actually very wise. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I had to aise that they wouldn't work. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: and be like, all right, this is what I've done
Speaker 1: wrong and I know that, and this is what you
Speaker 1: didn't that really hurt my feelings. Anything we disagree or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's usually he hurt my feelings. We don't. I don't
Speaker 1: ever really get mad at him. I got mad at
Speaker 1: him one time, specifically recently, so probably more times that
Speaker 1: I've just forgotten, but this one time kind of recently. Yes,
Speaker 1: I came home. I had asked him to do the laundry,
Speaker 1: put away the laundry because he wanted to go work
Speaker 1: out and I love working out. I'm choosing my my
Speaker 1: speaking life over this. Actually hate it, but I'm choosing
Speaker 1: to start saying I love working out because I'm hoping
Speaker 1: I get there. So you love I love working out.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite. You could hear this right now. He'd
Speaker 1: be dying because he's like always convincing me. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'll make you coffee if we go work out. So
Speaker 1: in this scenario, he wanted to work out and I
Speaker 1: was like, sure, but I need you to do this
Speaker 1: because I don't have enough time in the day to
Speaker 1: do this and get ready for bus call and have
Speaker 1: a birthday party tonight. So while I'm at the birthday party,
Speaker 1: I am I need you to do this laundry. And
Speaker 1: it was just putting things on hangars and I primed
Speaker 1: now more hangers because we were running low, gave him
Speaker 1: all of the tools. Is already alright, stage was set.
Speaker 1: I come home, The hangars are in the prime, now
Speaker 1: bags by the door. All the clothes are still out here,
Speaker 1: and he was playing video games in the basement. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, I think that's I think that's guys. I
Speaker 1: lost my ever loving like, did you kind of blow up?
Speaker 1: Is this a new thing. No, okay, well yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I was just so so angry because I
Speaker 1: was like, I do everything for us, So like I
Speaker 1: asked you for help once, which is if you do
Speaker 1: any Angiograham, what are you, I'm a three three two
Speaker 1: three achiever helper? Yes, So like this was my two
Speaker 1: wing freaking out because because now you're two wings in
Speaker 1: a right, So like I always help him, always have
Speaker 1: helped him. But that's what you love to do, right,
Speaker 1: I love it. But I asked for help and when
Speaker 1: he is a seven, that's what Michael is. As the
Speaker 1: day is long, michaels straight seven best day of his
Speaker 1: life every day, has enough energy to do everything. Like
Speaker 1: sevens are the happiest people. They are, They're really happy.
Speaker 1: But I know Michael's a seven too, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: thank god, because I like you could be. No, I'm
Speaker 1: a four. I'm an emotional I bet you have a
Speaker 1: strong three ring wing though, yes, you're an achiever. That
Speaker 1: is achieving. I am a four four four four? How
Speaker 1: does live in my emotions? And thank god I'm married
Speaker 1: A seven, fir ls, I would just be at the
Speaker 1: bottom of three seven, I'm sure four seven it's like
Speaker 1: it's like the perfect tip. Oh. I like that, like
Speaker 1: in achieving, because I have the achiever and he has
Speaker 1: the dreamer, and so I'm like, let's do this. We're unstoppable,
Speaker 1: let's go. And he has the energy that keeps me going,
Speaker 1: like the whole thing. So anyway, my two wing. So
Speaker 1: when when they're in stress, they go to eight. So
Speaker 1: I like, I blew up. Id't actually blow up, but
Speaker 1: I just started cleaning and being allowed, and he's like
Speaker 1: I got it. I was like, clearly you don't like
Speaker 1: I was. I was so mad. And he never plays
Speaker 1: video games through like all the days, like he never.
Speaker 1: He's not that guy. Because I when he wanted to
Speaker 1: get an Xbox, I was like gross, like I think
Speaker 1: guys who like are obsessed with video games. It's so
Speaker 1: unattractive to him. And I was like, do you really
Speaker 1: want to be unattractive to me? Like that's how I
Speaker 1: pitched him. And he was like, but for him, I'm
Speaker 1: actually glad he has it because he never plays it,
Speaker 1: and if he does, it's because he's actually so exhausted
Speaker 1: that he needs something to out his mind off, will
Speaker 1: keep dreaming and keep brainstorming. And he never he never
Speaker 1: sits and stops, and so it makes him sit and stop.
Speaker 1: So he really never does that ever, and so like
Speaker 1: I was like all the days, I was so so
Speaker 1: had at that one end, we went to bed angry.
Speaker 1: Which did he defend his video games? Oh no, No,
Speaker 1: he knew, he knew he was definitely wrong. And well
Speaker 1: at one point he didn't like jump up and start
Speaker 1: hanging things up. Oh yeah, he rose to the occasion,
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, forget it, I've got Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I go to sleep mad, which I said this
Speaker 1: recently on another podcast that I I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the things in the Bible that I'm like, I
Speaker 1: disagree with you because it says like, don't let the
Speaker 1: sun go down on your anger. But mind you, this
Speaker 1: one was already down first of all, and I just
Speaker 1: have a clear head in the morning. Well, it's better
Speaker 1: not to fight when you're enrage. You know. I have
Speaker 1: learned that about myself because like I get activated kind easily.
Speaker 1: I've worked on it a lot, a lot of therapy,
Speaker 1: a lot of like self realization that like anger is
Speaker 1: never a good things. So if I feel angry and hot,
Speaker 1: that is not the time to talk about something it
Speaker 1: is definitely not the time. And what is it. It's
Speaker 1: like there's a acurative. It's like not when you're hungry, tired,
Speaker 1: halt halt, very lonely tired, angry, lonely tired. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I was tired. I was exhausted. It was like the
Speaker 1: week of every Christmas party, every everything. We had just
Speaker 1: come off the road. We'd hosted two huge things at
Speaker 1: our house and I was like, I am done. I
Speaker 1: have nothing left. And that's when I was like, I
Speaker 1: asked for help? What which I asked for help all
Speaker 1: the time. I was just so dramatic. Soon as you like,
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to not help me, I help you
Speaker 1: always like speaking totally crazy and it happens. So oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you know it does sometimes you like in the I
Speaker 1: did that a bunch in this podcast. Hey, I hacked
Speaker 1: all the time. I'm just but I think that is
Speaker 1: one of the great things about marriage is learning each other,
Speaker 1: learning your breaking points, learning how to navigate those situations
Speaker 1: and not getting lost in them, not thinking at the
Speaker 1: end of the world, it's just a moment. It was
Speaker 1: a moment and the next morning, the next morning, it
Speaker 1: was so cute. He gave me a card and everything, okay,
Speaker 1: because I've never actually, I don't think i've ever actually
Speaker 1: been mad at him, and that was the first time.
Speaker 1: And this is like five years in Wow, so this
Speaker 1: was this was a moment. This was a moment, and
Speaker 1: the cards say it was just like, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for everything you do for our family. Well, love
Speaker 1: you so much. I'm so sorry, you know. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is maybe the cute. I should
Speaker 1: get mad at you more often, like this is so cute.
Speaker 1: I really don't get mad at him. It's mostly my
Speaker 1: feelings are hurt or I feel because I'm pretty I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm pretty good at recognizing I feel lonely.
Speaker 1: So instead of like doing something to pull him in,
Speaker 1: like and getting upset about something so he comes close,
Speaker 1: I just I just tell him, I'm like, I need
Speaker 1: more of you. I haven't seen you enough. I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm in the background. What's your love language? Quality time?
Speaker 1: And so, which is also why I have I kind
Speaker 1: of have to be on the road because otherwise I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm not words of aff I don't need.
Speaker 1: In that scenario, I guess I would have been acts
Speaker 1: of service. But yeah, I just like being around him,
Speaker 1: and most of the time I can just be in
Speaker 1: the same orbit and we don't have to be alone.
Speaker 1: But sometimes I do need just like I need just
Speaker 1: you and me. Let's go for a walk. You're saying
Speaker 1: going for a walk is like a key to a
Speaker 1: happy marriage. Tell me some of your keys to happy
Speaker 1: marriage walks, um, sex. I agree with that too, Like
Speaker 1: some people aren't about that, but like, I mean, I
Speaker 1: totally agree with that on a very regular basis. Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: we founded over this. We have we're a team like
Speaker 1: dry for every day. I mean, well, I maybe it's
Speaker 1: that seven who's just happy, good looking and enjoys all
Speaker 1: the things in life. Michael is like down every day
Speaker 1: and if it's yeah, and so I'm just like, okay,
Speaker 1: why would I fight this? A Because it's fun and
Speaker 1: B it's cheaper than therapy, cheaper than therapy, and it
Speaker 1: keeps you so connected. Yes, it really does. If that
Speaker 1: drifts apart, ever, which ours never has, because I just
Speaker 1: decided one day, I was like, I'm gonna make this
Speaker 1: a priority, and we're like I heard it somewhere. Girls
Speaker 1: are like crock pots and men are like microwaves. Have
Speaker 1: you ever heard that that like our like our sexual
Speaker 1: everything is more of a slow study all day kind
Speaker 1: of a thing. Yes, yes, so like if they flirt
Speaker 1: with us all day and they but you just like
Speaker 1: kiss a guy for two seconds and they're like we're done,
Speaker 1: Like we're ready. You know, we are more where it's
Speaker 1: all mixed together. We can't like separate, Like if you
Speaker 1: were jerk early in the morning, we still feel that
Speaker 1: at night. Like it's guys are not as much like that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely in my experience, and so yeah, if I in
Speaker 1: my if I set my crock pot too low in
Speaker 1: the morning Mike mentally, then when it comes time whenever
Speaker 1: we do, I'm like, yeah, I've been thinking about it.
Speaker 1: I've been processing, and it makes me be open and
Speaker 1: I can't stuff things because if that's going to happen,
Speaker 1: we're going to have had a conversation. If I'm upset
Speaker 1: about something, Absolutely it makes me communicate, makes him really
Speaker 1: sentimental and sweet all the time. Yeah, I mean not
Speaker 1: all the time, but honestly a lot. I think it's time. No,
Speaker 1: I think having a healthy sexual relationship keeps your relationship healthy.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like insurance for your marriage. Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: that's great. Tell me what tell me what that means,
Speaker 1: because I don't know. I just feel like it helps
Speaker 1: make you invincible, like you're becoming you're intentionally you are
Speaker 1: one as a married couple, but you're choosing to be
Speaker 1: one and just reiterating over and over, we are one,
Speaker 1: we are one. And I think it's great. I love that.
Speaker 1: I agree. Hey, sex high five, great marriage, sex, great marriage. Walks,
Speaker 1: going for a walk. I love a good walk. You
Speaker 1: get your communication, you get I like to say the
Speaker 1: shoulder to shoulder men communicate better older to shoulder than
Speaker 1: face to face. Okay, And I get that in my experience,
Speaker 1: and I've read it somewhere I can't remember. Super interesting,
Speaker 1: like girls are like, let's get coffee. It's like say, yeah,
Speaker 1: like where we're doing this, Like guys, if they were
Speaker 1: doing this podcast, they'd be like this because they're more
Speaker 1: open totally so much. So we go for a walk
Speaker 1: and he just dreams and I enjoy it too. Well.
Speaker 1: We'll pray while we walk, because you're not just like
Speaker 1: sitting for laying a bed, and you're like, in Jesus
Speaker 1: name an, it's that you're more conversational. It's like God,
Speaker 1: we pray for this friend who has cancer, Like we
Speaker 1: say no Jesus name. Yeah, you know, like we're praying,
Speaker 1: we'll pray for this person's marriage or I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's more conversational. It doesn't end. I love that. It's
Speaker 1: great wine wine. Yeah, also leads to the great sex part.
Speaker 1: Honest um, not too much though. Yes, yes, he is
Speaker 1: a little wino. I call him whino. Is that like
Speaker 1: a negative term? Well, I just like it's a thing now.
Speaker 1: It's even on his apps. He just puts his wineglasses
Speaker 1: in was like, yeah, it's terrifying. He doesn't do the
Speaker 1: thin ones just to reasure everyone who gets terrified it's
Speaker 1: going to break into his mouth if they're like really
Speaker 1: fine ones. He doesn't. Okay, it doesn't as a certain consistency. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it has to be like semi indestructible. Yeah, because but
Speaker 1: it's never too tired whatever. Okay, yeah he um. He
Speaker 1: like the Psalm documentaries if we were watched those s
Speaker 1: O M M yeah, for becoming a Master Smali a
Speaker 1: uh And it's a documentary. There's three of them now,
Speaker 1: of these people trying to be masters, and it is wild,
Speaker 1: like they have to blind taste three whites, three reds
Speaker 1: say what year they are, where they're from, and there's
Speaker 1: hundreds right, or thousands of wines yeah, oh yeah, and
Speaker 1: regions and there's only I think there's less than a
Speaker 1: hundred masters in the world. So the first commentary is
Speaker 1: really cool watching that process because it's like you have
Speaker 1: to be a savant, like this is not a normal
Speaker 1: person's skill set. Yeah. The funny part about it is
Speaker 1: we watched the first one when it came out on
Speaker 1: on our TV and our old apartment living next to
Speaker 1: Miss Cathy and her cat and our little duplex drinking
Speaker 1: box wine watching this documentary, but it tastes cherry, hardboard, cardboard,
Speaker 1: tennis balls, like, it's like so funny. We want like
Speaker 1: watched and drink the cheapest wine possible because that's all
Speaker 1: we could afford. And so then the second one came
Speaker 1: out and we got even more. We watched the second
Speaker 1: one like eight times. I'm gonna watch this. They're so
Speaker 1: fun The second one is my favorite. It tells you
Speaker 1: why all of the things are as important as they are,
Speaker 1: like even how wine was affected by war, and it's
Speaker 1: really cool. So anyway, it got him super into wine.
Speaker 1: So I call him Russell dick or some when he
Speaker 1: does swirling, which is disgusting. I like hate when people
Speaker 1: do that, but he does it every now and then
Speaker 1: if it's a very nice wine. Um, he loves it.
Speaker 1: It's really it's really cute. I love that he's very
Speaker 1: into it and I get to reap the benefits of it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this one is delicious. Thanks, mab hey, thanks
Speaker 1: for scoping. Yeah exactly, So what are ya watching on Netflix?
Speaker 1: He says, Um, it's not Netflix, but marvelous ms masl love.
Speaker 1: We have two more episodes, and I like refused to
Speaker 1: watch them because I don't I don't want it to
Speaker 1: be over. I'm just like that. I'm like, it can't
Speaker 1: be over. We're catching up on This is Us because
Speaker 1: I love it. Every time I'm in it. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I love watching this, but I have to gear up
Speaker 1: for each episode, yes, because I know it's going to
Speaker 1: just hug all my heart shrinks, Yes, which I love.
Speaker 1: I love feeling all the things. But he's less likely
Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, let's watch it as a seven
Speaker 1: because sevens avoid pain and that show has a minute,
Speaker 1: so it really hits. Like Mael, like, let's watch the
Speaker 1: funny one. You know, he's really sweet. He watches what
Speaker 1: I want to watch because a lot of I think
Speaker 1: it is kind of like a spiritual thing for me.
Speaker 1: I if it's really heavy and dark, I really really
Speaker 1: feel it. Yes, And I like, why am I praying
Speaker 1: against all of these heavy and dark things and then
Speaker 1: submitting myself to them and watching them. I'm like, this
Speaker 1: makes no sense. So one day I was like, if
Speaker 1: it's not if it doesn't make me feel great, I'm
Speaker 1: not watching it. We have enough real stress in our lives.
Speaker 1: I don't need fake stress. I love that. So we're
Speaker 1: a happy show people. That's how we are to being married. Friends, Like, religiously,
Speaker 1: y'all should watch um Last Man on Earth? Have you
Speaker 1: seen that? I have? We need to kind of back up.
Speaker 1: It kind of took a little. It kind of is
Speaker 1: getting a little more intense, but like Michael's the same way.
Speaker 1: The first episode. That first episode is the best pilot
Speaker 1: I've ever seen of Last Man on Earth. And he's
Speaker 1: like bowling with cars and things are blowing up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite pilots of all time. We
Speaker 1: watched it the whole first season, and then I think
Speaker 1: we get lost interests in the second. Yeah, it's kind
Speaker 1: of cheesy, but it's cute. Yeah, Michael's the same. We're
Speaker 1: gonna remind me of January Jones. Okay, great, thanks, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's a babe. Okay, So obviously I want to talk
Speaker 1: to you forever, but I know you have to go
Speaker 1: to Best Call and there's laundry and all sorts of
Speaker 1: honey honey. Um. But I like to leave all my
Speaker 1: episodes and leave your light. So just obviously you're super inspiring.
Speaker 1: This all is inspiring. But what do you want people
Speaker 1: to know? Like, what's the message you want to speak
Speaker 1: into people? Oh that just love people, love them hard
Speaker 1: and well and intentionally. And I personally think being known
Speaker 1: is even better than being loved because in our culture
Speaker 1: everything is just like oh I love you, I love you,
Speaker 1: I love you, But like nothing communicates love like actually
Speaker 1: investing in people and knowing them and knowing them well
Speaker 1: and in turn you're loving them well. I love that
Speaker 1: investing in people, invest in people. Do you invest in
Speaker 1: a lot of people or do you are you rein
Speaker 1: it in? Yeah, I used to do a lot. LA
Speaker 1: has helped you in then, and yes, that's part of
Speaker 1: the reason you're about the apartment, just to just to
Speaker 1: have a loane time and not say yes to everything
Speaker 1: you said. A quote like if you say yes everything,
Speaker 1: it's because you're not learning how to prioritize your nose
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, yeah, just because you're I forget exactly
Speaker 1: what it was. But if you're saying yes everything, it's
Speaker 1: only showing that you don't know how to say no,
Speaker 1: something to that effect. Like I had to really learn
Speaker 1: that because one day I woke up and I realized
Speaker 1: I was like, I've gone a coffee eight times this
Speaker 1: week in every single time I was helping someone, and
Speaker 1: it was not reciprocated. And I was like, okay, that's
Speaker 1: the two wing, Like I enjoy it, but you can't potentially.
Speaker 1: But then I realized I hadn't seen my very best friends,
Speaker 1: the ones who don't need me in the best way
Speaker 1: because their reciprocal friendships. And I was like, dang, like
Speaker 1: I really need to reprioritize my life. And so I
Speaker 1: my circle got smaller and smaller, and unless it's reciprocal,
Speaker 1: like it really doesn't get much of my time because
Speaker 1: there's not much of it left. I think that's so important.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've been that same way I was.
Speaker 1: I've always loved to be social. No everyone, love everyone.
Speaker 1: I had a breaking point in the past couple of years,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I am tired, Like I love knowing
Speaker 1: so many people and being in community, but same, it's
Speaker 1: like you just want to pour yourself into the relationships
Speaker 1: that really that are lifelong, aren't like, and then if
Speaker 1: someone comes around and it totally in, it's great, but
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm not seeking that out like I used to.
Speaker 1: I we had so many people live with us, stay
Speaker 1: with us, who needed us, like those were beautiful times.
Speaker 1: But all of a sudden one year, I was like,
Speaker 1: that season is done. And that was the beginning of
Speaker 1: this last year and ever and thank god, because if
Speaker 1: I had we had nothing left. Honestly, we were so
Speaker 1: exhausted that if we were banking on anything in return
Speaker 1: from these people, we would have been screwed. I was like,
Speaker 1: not the people who stayed with us, but the ones
Speaker 1: who always needed our time, And yeah, we really had
Speaker 1: to rain it in. I love that. Yeah, I love you.
Speaker 1: You're so wise, girl, I'm serious. I love you so much.
Speaker 1: Sunshine over here got well, I have a rain cloud too.
Speaker 1: I have to my number four, Like my four is
Speaker 1: like I'm a romantic. It's a secret rain cloud back there.
Speaker 1: Well if I haven't seen it, well, I've worked on
Speaker 1: it a lot because like I'm just I'm a romantic.
Speaker 1: That's what before is. So like I get so lost
Speaker 1: in feelings. I've had to learn how to separate them
Speaker 1: all and realize and like not get like go down
Speaker 1: the landslide with them. And that's how in my thirties,
Speaker 1: I will say I've got a lot better, Like therapy
Speaker 1: and Michael of the I just realized that I don't
Speaker 1: have to feel everything to the bottom, but when I
Speaker 1: feel something and it affects me, I have to go
Speaker 1: to the bottom so hard, just feel it and feel it.
Speaker 1: And that's why I can recover quickly from things. Like
Speaker 1: some people, something will hit them and it will take
Speaker 1: them years to process there like months. For me, I'm
Speaker 1: like in it all the way down immediately like there,
Speaker 1: and then I just figure out how to get out
Speaker 1: of it. So it's really intense, but it's fast. That's goods,
Speaker 1: but it's also I'm glad you know how to do that.
Speaker 1: It's also psycho because like bipolar, sometimes no you are
Speaker 1: not Yeah, well, freaking love. Thank you for joining, thanks
Speaker 1: for coming over. Yes, I love it. I fou on
Speaker 1: the road. Thank you so much for joining me on
Speaker 1: this episode with Kayleie Dickerson. She is such a bright light.
Speaker 1: Love her so much. Next week, I have one of
Speaker 1: my dearest and oldest friends that I've had in Nashville.
Speaker 1: We've been friends for almost ten years, maybe more. Kelly
Speaker 1: Lynn Jansen. She's married to Chris Jansen. She is a hoot,
Speaker 1: a wild woman. She's awesome. She's Chris's wife manager. They
Speaker 1: have two kids together, plus her two older kids, who
Speaker 1: Chris calls his bonus children. Their story and their life
Speaker 1: is amazing and inspiring. So get excited for Kelly Lynn Jansen.
Speaker 1: We'll see you next week. M