Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.
Speaker 2: Blazar and Lazarre, Hello, everybody nailed it, Joins always buy
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Speaker 3: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barr.
Speaker 1: If they're going that deep, then we're in trouble, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying we're not going to talk about those
Speaker 1: guys periods.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm going to make you watch Joe. I cannot
Speaker 3: wait for you to watch Joe Milton.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying we're not going to talk about this.
Speaker 1: I know, but Evan, I'm so excited. They cannot be
Speaker 1: going that.
Speaker 3: Joe Milton is going to break your mind. So I
Speaker 3: can't wait.
Speaker 1: That's a good way to start the show, because I
Speaker 1: did want to start the show on the draft and uh,
Speaker 1: Evan Lazarre, Alex Barth, Patriots Catch twenty two. Marine is back,
Speaker 1: Marine is back behind the glass. Love to see that
Speaker 1: doing better, he said, He's living is what he said.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's necessarily doing better, but here
Speaker 1: we are. Everybody's like, you know, battling illness. These we're
Speaker 1: like fighting it off and trying to stay away from it.
Speaker 1: For the next two weeks. But I want to start
Speaker 1: with the draft and with the Patriots situation. We have
Speaker 1: our inbox right now, Alex is flooded with emails with
Speaker 1: angry Patriots fans that they're winning these games and they
Speaker 1: won in Denver and we're gonna get to that win.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about some Bailey Zappy, three up, three down,
Speaker 1: all that stuff in a second. But here's where I
Speaker 1: want to start the show. Everybody is is. I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of Patriots fans. I don't want to
Speaker 1: say everybody because then people come at me and like,
Speaker 1: it's not everybody. A lot of Patriots fans that feel
Speaker 1: like our pal Warren here who says, guys, please stop
Speaker 1: downplaying a high draft pick. It's pathetic that the Patriots
Speaker 1: are celebrating these recent wins as well as lotting Zappi
Speaker 1: and basically said that this is all. I don't want
Speaker 1: to read all this because it's it's not very nice. Basically,
Speaker 1: it says that this is a gonna say the franchise back.
Speaker 1: You know, I hear this a lot, right, Like it's
Speaker 1: gonna set the franchise back a decade, that they're winning
Speaker 1: these games and they're this that and the other thing.
Speaker 1: I know you're pretty fired up about this outs because
Speaker 1: you started yelling at me before.
Speaker 3: We I mean, not yelling at you, yell.
Speaker 1: Anyways. I here's the thing to me about this. There
Speaker 1: are some let's call it intangible things that I that
Speaker 1: I like about what I've seen from this team the
Speaker 1: last week or so. And I get it, they're four
Speaker 1: and eleven. Some people don't want to celebrate for any
Speaker 1: sort of win when you're having a season like this,
Speaker 1: and I totally understand that line of thinking to an extent.
Speaker 1: But after the game in Denver, when I was in
Speaker 1: that locker room, that did not feel like a four
Speaker 1: and eleven team. And I don't mean that they're not
Speaker 1: like seeing the forest for the trees that I do it, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not saying that that's not the case,
Speaker 1: but just there's a lot of competitive people in that
Speaker 1: locker room. There's a lot of competitive people, and I
Speaker 1: want to build a football team with competitive football players.
Speaker 1: I don't want to build a football team. I'm just
Speaker 1: going to call him out. Fill with Trent Browns, all right.
Speaker 1: I don't want that, all right. I want a football
Speaker 1: team filled with David Andrews's right, and David Andrews Christian
Speaker 1: Barmore three sacks in a quarter. You're telling me that
Speaker 1: guy doesn't care, That guy doesn't isn't trying, that guy
Speaker 1: doesn't want to win, right. I want to build my
Speaker 1: football team with people like that.
Speaker 3: To top Douglas going up put his body on the
Speaker 3: line to make that catch.
Speaker 1: I think that there's a culture element to winning, and
Speaker 1: a culture element to all of that. But most importantly,
Speaker 1: because I don't think fans right now that are on
Speaker 1: Warren's side of the fence, that I want to hear that,
Speaker 1: I think most importantly the difference is in my lack
Speaker 1: of panic about them winning these football games compared to
Speaker 1: some other people, is that I feel like they A
Speaker 1: lot of people have labeled this a three player draft.
Speaker 1: At the top, it's Caleb Williams, Drake may or Marvin
Speaker 1: Harrison junior. And if the Patriots don't come away from
Speaker 1: this draft with one of those three players, then it's
Speaker 1: a failure. It's a failure, and they're they're just getting,
Speaker 1: you know, another kind of man prize.
Speaker 3: I've heard in that so many times the last few
Speaker 3: days that that win set the Patriots back ten years.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: One, that's not how the NFL works. Not one single
Speaker 3: thing that happens in the NFL has an impact that
Speaker 3: last ten years, outside of like a rule change by
Speaker 3: the league. The league changes too much on a week
Speaker 3: to week, year to year basis for anything to set
Speaker 3: you back. The only way it sets them back ten years,
Speaker 3: Evan is if they let them And if they let
Speaker 3: it set them back ten years.
Speaker 1: I told you he was fired up.
Speaker 3: Thank you. If they let it set them back ten years,
Speaker 3: they deserve to be dragged for letting it set them
Speaker 3: back ten years, not for winning a game. Sure. And
Speaker 3: when I say letting it set them back, I mean
Speaker 3: not being as aggressive as they need to be this offseason,
Speaker 3: because there's a realistic aggressiveness I think you can expect
Speaker 3: from this team.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Number two, the whole thing about the three player draft.
Speaker 3: First off, it is a three quarterback draft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Jane is where I wanted to go because
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna give you some flowers right now.
Speaker 1: You always tell me about these guys in like September
Speaker 1: or October, and then I started watching them at some point,
Speaker 1: and then we get to the point of the draft
Speaker 1: where we're really talking about Jaden Daniels and Michael Pennix
Speaker 1: and not Caleb Williams. Everybody knows about Caleb Williams. He
Speaker 1: won Heisman Trophy last year. We all know who Caleb
Speaker 1: Williams is, I think, and I it was it Phil
Speaker 1: Perry that had that segment on NBC Sports Boston about
Speaker 1: the intel around the league.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this happens all the time. Love Phil was saying
Speaker 3: that two weeks.
Speaker 1: Ago, this happens all the time. That the league knows,
Speaker 1: the league knows that Jaden Daniels is a baller. Then
Speaker 1: what ends up happening is is that people that cover
Speaker 1: the NFL, like like me and cover and you and
Speaker 1: other people. I leave you out of that. That's why
Speaker 1: I was going, Yeah, people that cover the NFL exclusively
Speaker 1: then catch up to the NFL, catch up to the
Speaker 1: scouting departments and the gms and things like that around
Speaker 1: the league. And now all of a sudden, oh, Jayden Daniels,
Speaker 1: Like do you see this guy from LSU won the
Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy? Like pretty good? Right? And I think that
Speaker 1: that's what's what always happens, and it's just happening a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier here because the Patriots are in the
Speaker 1: position that they're.
Speaker 3: In, Right, it's happening early for us. This winning usually
Speaker 3: happens this time. In twenty nineteen. Yeah, Joe Burrow was
Speaker 3: not the first overall pick, right well, like some people
Speaker 3: were talking about it, but it was still twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying like he kind of punched his And
Speaker 3: that's not me saying Jane Daniels is going to become
Speaker 3: the first overall pick. I don't think he jumps that much.
Speaker 3: But does he jump Drake May?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Does he locked him? I think he's already locked himself
Speaker 3: in as a top five. Does he jump Drake May?
Speaker 3: Does he jump Marvin Harrison? Some of it's going to
Speaker 3: depend on the order of the draft and how that
Speaker 3: kind of shakes out, but I think there's a real
Speaker 3: chance of it. This is a three quarterback draft, and
Speaker 3: I would even say beyond that, Caleb Williams is in
Speaker 3: his own class in this draft. I think the tier
Speaker 3: two quarterbacks are Drake May and Jade and Daniels, and
Speaker 3: I think the gap between May and Daniels is smaller
Speaker 3: than the gap between Williams and May. I think there
Speaker 3: is then a third tier that I would call elite
Speaker 3: offensive non quarterbacks, and that is Marvin Harrison, brock Bauers,
Speaker 3: Joe All. I think all for he's one step so
Speaker 3: I would put Olshanu with like Malik Neighbors, and he's
Speaker 3: two steps down. I'd put him with Malik Neighbors and
Speaker 3: Roma Dunes and like that group. And then there's one other.
Speaker 3: This isn't really a uprated tier. It's kind of to
Speaker 3: the side. There's a defensive version of the Harrison Bowers. Well, no,
Speaker 3: I just want to I want to know. I don't
Speaker 3: want people to think I'm saying Dallas Turner sucks and
Speaker 3: kool Aid mcinstrey sucks, because they're very good players, but
Speaker 3: they're like the brock Bowers, Marvin Harrison, Joe alt Tier
Speaker 3: on the other side of the pot.
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. I'm glad you set it
Speaker 1: up for people to understand. Yeah. But well, but here's
Speaker 1: the thing.
Speaker 3: Let me just say that. Let me just say this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: brock Bauer, I think specifically, not brock guys. I think
Speaker 3: specifically Dallas Turner, kool Aid mckinstrey, in lay too, La
Speaker 3: Tou from UCLA and maybe you throw Jared Verson here.
Speaker 3: We'll see we test those four players are actually very
Speaker 3: important for the Patriots in this draft because.
Speaker 1: They could go higher.
Speaker 3: Is there a team that's simply sitting there saying we
Speaker 3: need defense? And does one of those guys shoot up
Speaker 3: the board and bump Jayde and Daniels if the Patriots
Speaker 3: win another game, let's say they beat the Jets, bump
Speaker 3: Jayde Daniels down a spot, bump Joe Alt down a spot.
Speaker 3: I know it annoys you to talk about those guys
Speaker 3: because you don't think the Patriots should draft them, And
Speaker 3: that's all well and good. We have to adjust our
Speaker 3: approach this year because we sort of just do this
Speaker 3: by default when the Patriots are picking fifteenth, twentieth, twenty fifth,
Speaker 3: that there's just certain guys at the top that we
Speaker 3: let go of every single pick. Now, anytime you're in
Speaker 3: the top ten, you have to look at from that
Speaker 3: angle where it is still important for us to follow
Speaker 3: the progress of a guy like Dallas Turner, even if
Speaker 3: the Patriots aren't gonna draft him, because does he jump
Speaker 3: into the top five, Because even if the Patriots aren't
Speaker 3: taking him, that changes the outlook. But you're gonna have
Speaker 3: to listen to me talk about that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You can't shoot me down when I talk about which.
Speaker 1: Is what you just tried to do. I. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: thought of the Patriots taking a defensive player in the
Speaker 1: first round makes me want to puke.
Speaker 3: I'm not rolling that out entirely if Bill's comes back,
Speaker 3: but I'm with you that they shouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: That's entirely so. I think that that's the biggest difference
Speaker 1: is that if you are locked into the fact that
Speaker 1: those three guys Caleb, Drake May, Marvin Harrison Junior are
Speaker 1: the only three guys that you feel are worth you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say worth drafting, but just that's
Speaker 1: all that gets you excited. Is if one of those
Speaker 1: three guys is a Patriot, then I can understand why
Speaker 1: you're upset that they're winning football games. I just don't
Speaker 1: feel that way, and I really, I think you put
Speaker 1: it perfectly about I feel that the gap between Drake
Speaker 1: May and Jaden Daniels is not that large. I really
Speaker 1: felt that when we talked about Drake May a lot
Speaker 1: last week, Yeah, and talked about some of the things
Speaker 1: that I feel a little bit worried about with Drake May.
Speaker 1: Last week do you.
Speaker 3: Want to update any of that now that you watch
Speaker 3: the Virginia game.
Speaker 1: I feel the same way. Okay, I feel the same way.
Speaker 1: I just want to give you that opportunity. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel the same way. And now I feel like I've
Speaker 1: I've watched enough of Drake May that I have a
Speaker 1: lot of notes on him, and I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: almost like done with Drake May, which is amazing. In December.
Speaker 1: It makes me feel good. I'm like way ahead of
Speaker 1: schedule here. Anyways, with Drake May, I I feel the
Speaker 1: same way, and that is that I really he is
Speaker 1: a ball of clay and he's going to need a
Speaker 1: lot of refinement with his mechanics and with his accuracy
Speaker 1: to be a consistently good NFL quarterback. The flashes are phenomenal,
Speaker 1: like the big time throw ability, the mobility, the off platform,
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff is phenomenal, but he has
Speaker 1: some warts to his consistency in pocket mechanics that he's
Speaker 1: going to need to work on. Whereas with Jayden Daniels,
Speaker 1: I think that there are warts with him as a
Speaker 1: passer right now that exists just with his playing style.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, his mobility is such an
Speaker 1: elite trait that that's a carrying trade of phase that
Speaker 1: he's every single time he drops back the pass. They're
Speaker 1: going to be playing eleven on eleven and the defense
Speaker 1: is going to have to worry about the quarterback and
Speaker 1: account for the quarterback. Like what he did against Alabama
Speaker 1: scrambling was ridiculous.
Speaker 3: That's when he became a top ten pick. Like that game,
Speaker 3: he looked like a top ten pick.
Speaker 1: And I remember watching that game a little bit live
Speaker 1: and and Saban saying at halftime that they were playing
Speaker 1: a lot of match coverage, and when they were playing
Speaker 1: match coverage that you know, Lsu was just kind of
Speaker 1: running verticals down the field and getting guys to turn
Speaker 1: their backs to the quarterback. And he said, we only
Speaker 1: had one spy in the middle of the field, and
Speaker 1: the one spy wasn't good enough, Like he couldn't you know,
Speaker 1: one linebacker is not going to be able to tackle
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels in the open field, and he just carved
Speaker 1: them up. I think Jayden Daniels is the best scrambling
Speaker 1: quarterback that I've seen in the draft since Lamar, Like
Speaker 1: he's he's that dynamic as a runner.
Speaker 3: I don't want to take away from him as a
Speaker 3: pastor though, and like he has his warts, like you said,
Speaker 3: but a lot of it feels coachable and he still
Speaker 3: is a guy that can Like he's a threat with
Speaker 3: the deep ball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the threat. Oh yeah, he's probably the best. Uh.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say he's the best deep ball because that's
Speaker 1: probably Penixa. Yeah. I think he's he's really good on
Speaker 1: the deep ball. Yeah. And I think that his game
Speaker 1: is really really similar to Lamar's at Louisville. It is,
Speaker 1: and they both won the Heisman Trophy, so they both
Speaker 1: pread up the numbers, and I think that they're really similar.
Speaker 3: I still think he's more advanced as a prospect than
Speaker 3: Lamar was. Let's not say he's gonna better than Lamar,
Speaker 3: but Lamar.
Speaker 1: I want, I just wonder if he's more advanced than
Speaker 1: Lamar because we're five years forward of like how to
Speaker 1: scheme with that type of no I I.
Speaker 3: Remember like Lamar sprayed it a little bit more like
Speaker 3: his accuracy was Lamar, So like like Lamar with let
Speaker 3: me let me all right, let me rephrace that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Jane Daniels is more advanced as a passer than Lamar
Speaker 3: was coming out Lamar is obviously much better as a runner.
Speaker 3: He's better than everybody is a runner. Like, yes, you know,
Speaker 3: but I I remember, like Lamar, there was some underneath
Speaker 3: stuff that where it was just like three step, hit
Speaker 3: the back foot and throw, and like that didn't come
Speaker 3: for him until year two or three in the NFL. Right,
Speaker 3: Daniels isn't amazing at that. I'm not going to have
Speaker 3: him necessarily run like just a you know, quick game offense,
Speaker 3: but like I feel like he's better in that regard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lamar Lamar head footwork problems. That's his platform was
Speaker 1: really really narrow and he didn't really didn't allow him
Speaker 1: to control the football.
Speaker 3: Jane Daniels mechanics, they could be tightened up a little bit.
Speaker 3: But like he gets the I love how quick he
Speaker 3: gets the ball out and as.
Speaker 1: Usually does, he does have a quick release. I would
Speaker 1: be ecstatic with the Patriots drafting Jayden Daniel.
Speaker 3: Oh you would. You'd be doing backflips. Yeah, I've said this.
Speaker 3: I said that when we first start talking about him,
Speaker 3: you're like, yeah, he's a good players, like this is
Speaker 3: going to be your guy. Yeah, I know that he
Speaker 3: is going to be your guy. I want to say
Speaker 3: one more thing, and you talk about Lamar there, and
Speaker 3: it kind of goes to the point for everybody saying, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, if you can't get even if you don't
Speaker 3: believe in Jade Daniels, and maybe you have some legitimate
Speaker 3: football concerns with Jadan Daniels and you do think it's
Speaker 3: Kayleb Williams and Drakeman the draft and the other thing.
Speaker 3: So what I've said is, even if they win another game,
Speaker 3: fall back in the draft a little bit. The criticism
Speaker 3: should not be that they want a game. The criticism
Speaker 3: should be they failed to trade up and get aggressive
Speaker 3: and getting the guy they believe is their future. If
Speaker 3: there's a quarter of a any player, I guess, if
Speaker 3: there's any player on the board that you think this
Speaker 3: guy is going to be the reason we win a
Speaker 3: Super Bowl? Is there anything that's too much to get him?
Speaker 1: So here's where I would slip back on that a
Speaker 1: little bit, because I fear I hear the trade up argument.
Speaker 1: Ye I fear that trading up is a move that
Speaker 1: a team like the Carolina Panthers just did and you
Speaker 1: have to be so sure.
Speaker 3: So obviously that's what I'm saying, Like, because Carolina is
Speaker 3: a terrible That's what I'm saying. And Bryce Young wasn't
Speaker 3: worth trading up for. But if if if the Patriots
Speaker 3: look at Shane Daniels, they look at Trake may Or,
Speaker 3: they look at Marvin Harrison, and they say, this is
Speaker 3: the guy, this is the guy we're gonna build the
Speaker 3: next ten years around. We know we can do it.
Speaker 3: Is there any prate now? If they don't believe in them,
Speaker 3: then don't But there's no reason.
Speaker 1: That you I don't know if there, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you can say that, Like, I feel like that's
Speaker 1: no reason to put it that way.
Speaker 3: There's no Well, but then you shouldn't be taking the
Speaker 3: guy anyway. If you don't truly believe him, shouldn't be
Speaker 3: taking the guy anything.
Speaker 1: I just think there's a difference between giving up like
Speaker 1: Caroline and Panthers.
Speaker 3: Okay, but it's not I'm not saying trade up to one.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying trade up to twenty. I'm talking about
Speaker 3: moving up from like five to three. Oh yeah, that's
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe that's it's I'm not saying forced the
Speaker 3: way up to get Killableyes, but let's let's say they
Speaker 3: believe Jane Daniels is the guy, and they know they
Speaker 3: get they need to get to three to get Jade
Speaker 3: Daniels And they're sitting there at four and jayde and
Speaker 3: Daniels goes three. You can't just say, aw shucks, well
Speaker 3: we needed the third pick, we have the fourth. Nothing
Speaker 3: we can do about it, Like, you can't do that.
Speaker 3: And when I give that argument, some people say, well,
Speaker 3: all the teams above the Patriots need quarterbacks, So why
Speaker 3: is a team that needs a quarterback going to trade out?
Speaker 1: It's adorable.
Speaker 3: People think the NFL draft is that predictable. It really is.
Speaker 3: If the both in terms of what teams are gonna
Speaker 3: do in who the players are going to become. If
Speaker 3: the NFL draft was that predictable, be no fun. Who
Speaker 3: had the Texans trading up to the third pick last year?
Speaker 3: Or after picking right back to back, picking back to back,
Speaker 3: second and third?
Speaker 1: Who had that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And so just to go through it real quick, Chicago,
Speaker 3: it looks like he's gonna get the first overall pick
Speaker 3: via Carolina. Yep, that right away. Not a team that
Speaker 3: I'm convinced is going to take a quarterback. I look,
Speaker 3: there's really strong arguments both ways for Chicago. Right fields
Speaker 3: Fields is starting to play. Well, do you go out,
Speaker 3: do you get him a real pass catcher, whether it's
Speaker 3: Harrison or Bowers and one of the tackles in whatever
Speaker 3: order you do, that will dictate. But do you go
Speaker 3: out to get him a real pass protect or a
Speaker 3: real weapon? And okay, like here we go, we move
Speaker 3: forward with this guy, or is it, hey, you know
Speaker 3: we can get a rookie quarterback. We can reset the
Speaker 3: clock on the rookie quarterback contract. We'll go out and
Speaker 3: get Kayleb Williams. Not a decision I would want to make.
Speaker 3: It's a very tough decision. I don't think you can
Speaker 3: go wrong. But yeah, not necessarily a team that's going
Speaker 3: to want on a quarterback. Arizona not totally sold that
Speaker 3: they're going to be on a quarterback. They o Kyler
Speaker 3: Murray a lot of money, and they may just say,
Speaker 3: you know what, let's get some pieces around him and
Speaker 3: keep building. He's looked competitive here this season. Washington definitely.
Speaker 3: Washington is definitely a quarterback team. You have the Giants
Speaker 3: in there. I don't believe the Giants will be a
Speaker 3: quarterback team. It is really hard to give Daniel Jones
Speaker 3: one hundred whatever million dollars and then come back.
Speaker 1: The Giants might be a quarterback.
Speaker 3: I don't think they can't be. They can't. They are,
Speaker 3: but not in the first round they are.
Speaker 1: That is I think you you if you as an organization,
Speaker 1: you eat it.
Speaker 3: Like you can't get. The is not going to go
Speaker 3: for that. He's not like that.
Speaker 1: Broncos are about to eat Russell Wilson's cond that's.
Speaker 3: Two that's two years later. It's it's it's just it's
Speaker 3: just they are a day two quarterback team.
Speaker 1: You have You've seen enough from Daniel Jones in New
Speaker 1: York to know that that guy is not it.
Speaker 3: Okay, so fine, Washington. The Giants, who the Patriots are
Speaker 3: ahead of Chargers, are not a quarterback. It would be
Speaker 3: shocked now, frankly, if the Charges are a quarterback team. No,
Speaker 3: they're not a quarterback. Don't the Patriots should be the
Speaker 3: team that traded for Justin Herbert Tennessee might be. I
Speaker 3: kind of feel like Rabel likes Will Levis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think that they're more like ahead your
Speaker 1: bed on day two.
Speaker 3: Right, right, and again that's right, but the Giants and
Speaker 3: then you have the Bears again, and the Jets are
Speaker 3: a quarterback team obviously, but they're a couple wins behind
Speaker 3: the Patriots, so really stamp on it. I mean, there's
Speaker 3: four teams that could be I think there's two teams
Speaker 3: that definitely are in an ideal world right now, and
Speaker 3: things are gonna change. An ideal world right now. People
Speaker 3: say the Patriots can't get a quarterback. Washington trades up
Speaker 3: from three to one. That move makes all the sense
Speaker 3: in the world. They have an owner that wants to
Speaker 3: get aggressive, that wants to go out that work Carol
Speaker 3: Splash right, Caleb Williams is from DC, so you talk
Speaker 3: about like a unique fit there. Washington moves up from
Speaker 3: three to one. They get Caleb Williams. Let's see, Drake
Speaker 3: May goes two. Whether it's Arizona or it's another team
Speaker 3: trading up there, Drake May goes two. Whiteboard for this
Speaker 3: Chicago at three. I'm Charlie Kelly with Pepe.
Speaker 1: Sylvia'd like a.
Speaker 3: Chicago down three. They're gonna take either Alt or Harrison
Speaker 3: for Caleb Williams, and then the Patriots are sitting there
Speaker 3: on the board Jane Daniels's they're at four. That to
Speaker 3: me is a very realistic situation and I know people
Speaker 3: think to bring it back to the original point, Kayla Williamstrake,
Speaker 3: May Kyla Williams Strake, May Patriots get Jane Daniels at four,
Speaker 3: people should be doing backflips in the streets.
Speaker 1: Okay. Uh, I'm gonna and then I really do want
Speaker 1: to talk about the actual current team.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: The The last thing I'm gonna say is gonna be
Speaker 1: an unpopular opinion, But I'm just gonna say it anyways,
Speaker 1: because I as an as an offensive line guy, Alex,
Speaker 1: I have to say it. I have to tell you
Speaker 1: that taking the tackle is not a bad move for
Speaker 1: the fit.
Speaker 3: It is if if all let's say all three quarterbacks
Speaker 3: are gone, it's the move.
Speaker 1: I don't even it's not even about that, like because
Speaker 1: you have to Again, I like Jayden Daniels. You like
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels, but they have to like j Daniels. You
Speaker 1: have to be sold on that on a guy like that.
Speaker 1: I'm not taking Zach Wilson just to take a quarterback, right, Okay, true,
Speaker 1: but that's my point and I'm not thinking je Daniels. Okay,
Speaker 1: But the point being is is that I I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have an unpopular opinion on this I I really would strongly,
Speaker 1: strongly entertain the tackle. So do you remember even over
Speaker 1: a quarterback?
Speaker 3: Okay, I wouldn't go that far, But do you remember
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago I said on Patriots Beat
Speaker 3: Joe Alt over Marvin Harrison, and some guy called in
Speaker 3: because he couldn't understand it, and I said, this is
Speaker 3: gonna be a real conversation. Yeah, I'm with you on
Speaker 3: the unpopular opinion.
Speaker 1: Like, okay, maybe maybe saying over quarterbacks to stretch. I
Speaker 1: am a hooker. If I'm an over tackle over Marvin, here's.
Speaker 3: What I would say if and tell me if you agree,
Speaker 3: because I don't want to put words in your mouth.
Speaker 3: But if it's Joe Alt or a quarterback you don't
Speaker 3: fully believe in, Yeah, Joe Walt, is that what you're saying? Basically,
Speaker 3: I would agree with you on that. Now, if it's
Speaker 3: let's say they buy into Jayde and Daniels and they say,
Speaker 3: this is our you know, we missed on on Lamar
Speaker 3: Jackson in twenty eighteen, here's our chance to get right.
Speaker 3: Then you take Jayde Daniels all day. Yeah, But if
Speaker 3: they're like Jane Daniels, he gets hurt a lot Drake
Speaker 3: may super inconsistent. But Joe Alt, You're like, this is
Speaker 3: a Hall of Fame left tackle. Yeah, then yeah, you
Speaker 3: take absolutely, And even if they think Marvin Harrison is
Speaker 3: also a Hall of Fame wide receiver, Joel.
Speaker 1: I would just look at the way that the league
Speaker 1: is trending in the good teams in the league, and
Speaker 1: it's you would be really hard pressed to find a
Speaker 1: team right now that you could say legitimately has a
Speaker 1: chance to win the Super Bowl that has a bad
Speaker 1: offensive line. It doesn't exist. And I could more easily
Speaker 1: find a team that doesn't have the quarterback in the
Speaker 1: traditional sense, the elite quarterback San Francisco and Detroit right
Speaker 1: and say that that team has a legitimate chance to
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl with Brock Purdy because Trent Williams
Speaker 1: is his starting left tackle, or in Detroit where the
Speaker 1: whole offensive line is is a bunch of.
Speaker 3: The age, I think, and you can speak more to
Speaker 3: why this is happening schematically, like teams going more too
Speaker 3: high and things like that, the age of get a
Speaker 3: dominant quarterback. He's going to over five thousand yards every year,
Speaker 3: You're gonna be in the AFC Championship Game. NFC Championship
Speaker 3: game every year. It's trending away from that. I'm not
Speaker 3: saying that quarterbacks no longer important. It still absolutely is,
Speaker 3: but you are starting to see a trend back towards
Speaker 3: more well rounded football.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I just think that you need to be
Speaker 1: you need to be mindful of the fact that this
Speaker 1: Patriots team is not necessarily a rookie quarterback away from
Speaker 1: being a Super Bowl competitor.
Speaker 3: And I think, but I think they're a strong offseason
Speaker 3: away from being like a potential nine to ten win team.
Speaker 1: Maybe, but I think that I would rather and I
Speaker 1: think this is what they did in twenty one, and
Speaker 1: I think this is a big reason why it didn't
Speaker 1: work in twenty one. They went for the instant gratification method.
Speaker 1: They spent like crazy and free agency, they drafted a
Speaker 1: first round quarterback, and it worked off the top, right,
Speaker 1: they win ten games, they go back to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I'm much more interested this time around. And sustainability, well,
Speaker 1: because they stopped, they stopped. They didn't add anybody the
Speaker 1: next two years. Fine, but I really feel like in general,
Speaker 1: they went for a quick fix, and I want a
Speaker 1: sustainable model. And I think building the offensive line building out,
Speaker 1: the pieces around the quarterback and all that type of
Speaker 1: stuff is still important. And I look at Joe alt,
Speaker 1: I know that you know you like Joe Altover Forshanu.
Speaker 1: I probably will too eventually, so I think, but I
Speaker 1: think both of those guys are blue chip type. They're
Speaker 1: very close.
Speaker 3: Fishanu probably has a little more ceiling, but like there's
Speaker 3: a little more variance and there's a little more risk
Speaker 3: where all like you're getting a guy that's gonna step
Speaker 3: in and he's gonna be starting left tackle for for
Speaker 3: ten fifteen years. He's gonna make a couple of Pro Bowls,
Speaker 3: might make an All Pro team or tours. Like Fashanu
Speaker 3: might just be like an average starting tackle. He might
Speaker 3: be a perennial All Pro. But his more variance with
Speaker 3: it alto his better size. He has more experience, He's
Speaker 3: been a cleaner player. The real difference for me is
Speaker 3: who had a really rough game against Ohio State, which
Speaker 3: is I mean not in past protection. He got seven pressures?
Speaker 1: Oh did he really? Yeah, the guy hasn't allowed a
Speaker 1: sack in like three years now.
Speaker 3: He allowed a lot of pressures though, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: he got uh Jack Sawyer and uh, I like to all,
Speaker 3: who I forget the other guy's name, Like those are
Speaker 3: both top one hundred draft pick at Like those are
Speaker 3: going to be right, Ohio State hit guys, right, we
Speaker 3: know how they.
Speaker 1: He's certainly is uh, he's he's an athletic specimen, but
Speaker 1: he's his technique and things like that are a little
Speaker 1: bit more raw. Joe Alt is like your your prototypical
Speaker 1: ready made starting left tackles and set it and forget
Speaker 1: it right. Whereas Fishan who has a huge upside to
Speaker 1: him because of his athleticism.
Speaker 3: So sorry Pffshan who against Ohio State didn't allow sack,
Speaker 3: but he allowed six pressures, so not seven, but he
Speaker 3: allowed ten all year. So that's the thing. It's like
Speaker 3: he the one bad game he had, but it's against
Speaker 3: I mean great he plank. He had a clean sheet
Speaker 3: against you Mass okay sick.
Speaker 1: Okay, oh my god, he played more than just you
Speaker 1: Mass on it.
Speaker 3: But like they didn't really play like hell had one pressure,
Speaker 3: had one penalty against Michigan. Big ten kind of sucked
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 1: Here here's the point though, Yeah, the point is is
Speaker 1: that you still in my mind, the offensive line is
Speaker 1: a major, major need for this team in the offseason
Speaker 1: and it's twofold one. I feel as though it's very,
Speaker 1: very difficult to build an offensive line through the veteran market.
Speaker 1: There's not a whole lot of surplus at offensive line.
Speaker 1: There's certainly not a lot of good offensive line, and
Speaker 1: especially at the tackle position. League wide, those guys don't
Speaker 1: move very often, and if they do, it either costs
Speaker 1: you a ton of money, like toront Armstead for example,
Speaker 1: in Miami, or it's via trade like Trent Williams to
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Right, those guys don't come available too often
Speaker 1: if you look at the free agent market that's slated
Speaker 1: right now. At tackle, there's a pretty strong argument that
Speaker 1: Michael Auenu as a guard playing tackle, might be the
Speaker 1: best tackle in free agency this year. And he's sure,
Speaker 1: and he's your guy, right like he's already here. We
Speaker 1: talked a ton about tackles in free agency last year. Mcglinchy, McGary,
Speaker 1: Jwan Taylor, those types of they probably should have done
Speaker 1: it last year. But at the same time, Mike mcglinchy
Speaker 1: just got his freaking lunch money handed to him by
Speaker 1: josh Uja. Right, he's had a bad year. Mike McGlinchey
Speaker 1: with the Broncos, and the Broncos owe him a ton
Speaker 1: of money moving forward. So I think what you run
Speaker 1: into the risk of is that you're going to sign
Speaker 1: a tackle in free agency who's really like a C
Speaker 1: plus player, but you're playing him a plus money. You're
Speaker 1: playing him top of the market money, which I just
Speaker 1: don't think is necessarily good for business. So it's I
Speaker 1: think it's going to be really difficult to find the
Speaker 1: left tackle via the veteran market, whether that be trade
Speaker 1: or free agency, and looking at their situation right now,
Speaker 1: Trent Brown, I don't know if Trent Brown's gonna play
Speaker 1: another down for the Patriots.
Speaker 3: Can I be honest with you, Yes, it would not
Speaker 3: be the most surprising thing in the world to me
Speaker 3: if Trent Brown came back. I don't think he's going
Speaker 3: to and.
Speaker 1: I would be absolutely floored.
Speaker 3: I think here's the way he plays out because I
Speaker 3: played out the last few years.
Speaker 1: I've defended Trent Brown a lot because I think when
Speaker 1: he's when he's locked in, he's a starting caliber left tackle.
Speaker 3: Let me be fair, this is a critique of the Patriots.
Speaker 3: This is not a defensive Trent Brant Okay, they're gonna
Speaker 3: get to free agency, like they don't. They clearly won't
Speaker 3: address tackle in the draft. They won't do it at
Speaker 3: the top of the draft. They don't want to do it.
Speaker 3: They're gonna get free agency and they're gonna see Tyron
Speaker 3: Smith and he's gonna want a lot of money. And
Speaker 3: they're gonna see Joah Williams and he's gonna want a
Speaker 3: lot of money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't even like Jonah Williams says
Speaker 1: all sorts of flaws. I don't even.
Speaker 3: But my point is, like Trent Brown's gonna get free agency,
Speaker 3: He's gonna be asking for top of the market tackle money.
Speaker 3: He's not gonna get it because the way it ended here,
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you know they it's
Speaker 3: gonna be last call.
Speaker 1: They need gonna be two people left in the bar.
Speaker 1: They need to move on Patriot.
Speaker 3: The Patriots see a starting caliber tackle they don't have
Speaker 3: to pay starting caliber tackle money, and Trent Brown sees
Speaker 3: a team that's at least willing to come close to
Speaker 3: his number, even if it is a value deal for
Speaker 3: the team. They're made for each other. It is a
Speaker 3: toxic relationship. That's how he came back last time.
Speaker 1: They need to they need to move on from people
Speaker 1: like Trent Brown. So they did those types of people
Speaker 1: with that type of attitude like he's not.
Speaker 3: I know, but he's he's an affordable, starting caliber tackle.
Speaker 3: He didn't play, he.
Speaker 1: Didn't practice yesterday, we get the injury report, what does
Speaker 1: it say? Illness?
Speaker 3: Illness? My ass right, you.
Speaker 1: Get out kind of had a cryptic tweet that like
Speaker 1: suggested he was not only that, but he plays what
Speaker 1: like twenty five snaps in the game on Sunday. He's
Speaker 1: moving at half speed, like like everybody else is moving
Speaker 1: faster than him. And it's not because he's three hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty pounds because he's not trying. So again, he's
Speaker 1: literally stopped playing. In the middle of the play with
Speaker 1: Tayekwon Thorton on the Jets sweep, if he's if he
Speaker 1: throws a block, Taekwon Thorton might score. Let me. He
Speaker 1: just he just stands there.
Speaker 3: I would not bring him back. They should not bring
Speaker 3: him back.
Speaker 1: I would much rather than just go with a younger
Speaker 1: guy that even if they don't draft it at the
Speaker 1: top of the draft, like draft something draft Matt Light,
Speaker 1: draft somebody in the second hatter.
Speaker 3: Paul, I'm not saying i'd bring him back. Let me
Speaker 3: be clear about that. For all the reasons you just
Speaker 3: said they need to they need tackle like this might
Speaker 3: happen they've gone yeardy, all right, So do you want
Speaker 3: PFF's top for agent tackles? By the way, just so
Speaker 3: because this helps your Joe Alt argument. Number one, Tyron Smith,
Speaker 3: he's like old, Yeah, he's like forty. Number two Trent Brown,
Speaker 3: that's the that's the number two tackle available. And by
Speaker 3: the way, I think that's correct based on the rest
Speaker 3: of this list.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Number three Mike go When Yeah, but he's because he
Speaker 3: only plays right tackle, right, That's why he's below. I
Speaker 3: do think at this point is a better option than
Speaker 3: Trent Brown. Number four, Makai Beckton, number five, Joanah Williamsnumber six,
Speaker 3: Austin Jackson, number seven, Donovan Smith. Your number eight tackle
Speaker 3: available Evan Jermaine iluminor number nine George Fant who's gonna
Speaker 3: retire He's like, what thirty eight? Yeah, this is my point.
Speaker 3: In number ten, Josh Jones, No, I wanted to give
Speaker 3: this to you to help you make.
Speaker 1: My point, like where are they getting to be?
Speaker 3: Just to be fair, next up, Isaiah Win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where are they getting the tackle from? And on
Speaker 1: top of the fact that the free agent market stinks,
Speaker 1: maybe some veteran tackle a team you know, has like
Speaker 1: a tarn Armstead situation where the Saints had to move
Speaker 1: money and it wasn't gonna work and they end up
Speaker 1: moving on from Tron Armstead and he goes to Miami.
Speaker 1: Maybe something like that comes to fruition. But I don't
Speaker 1: know where else the tackle is gonna come from. And
Speaker 1: right now, without Dante Scarnekia walking through the door, I
Speaker 1: don't have any confidence in them developing tackles. So, like,
Speaker 1: if they're gonna draft somebody, you can't just say, oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna draft a tackle in the fourth round and
Speaker 1: we're gonna turn them into a which is what they're
Speaker 1: still trying to do.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: You can't do that anymore because you don't have the
Speaker 1: coaching to do that anymore. So I look, I would
Speaker 1: take the quarterback at the top of the draft. I'm
Speaker 1: not arguing against that. I am just telling you that
Speaker 1: the one way that you can finally solve what's been
Speaker 1: probably the biggest issue for this team the last two years,
Speaker 1: which is tackle, is by drafting one near the top
Speaker 1: of the draft, because is it gonna like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's going to be Adrian Klem, Is it
Speaker 1: gonna be Billy Yates, Is it going to be another
Speaker 1: higher you know, like who's going to be running the
Speaker 1: offensive line. It's just the offensive line is an absolute
Speaker 1: rest for this team. Every single week. They have no tackles.
Speaker 1: Their tackles are either hurt or weren't good to begin with,
Speaker 1: or are also hurt right. And now you have the
Speaker 1: situation where you're one good offensive lineman besides David Andrews,
Speaker 1: who by the way, might retire, and so now you
Speaker 1: have a huge hole at center that you're filling too.
Speaker 1: The one guy that you have that that's a solid
Speaker 1: NFL offensive lineman is a free agent, is going to
Speaker 1: want the bag. So, like one hundred percent, I'm giving
Speaker 1: the back to on Wendo. Whether he's playing, god he's
Speaker 1: playing tackle, I don't care. But the point being they
Speaker 1: have to find a left tackle. It can't be Trent Brown.
Speaker 1: You can't go down that road. It can't be Connor
Speaker 1: mcdermots and Vederian Low's of the world. They need to
Speaker 1: have a real solution at that position, and the only
Speaker 1: way that they're going to do it is using a
Speaker 1: top forty pick on one. That's the only way. So
Speaker 1: I don't I text you last night and said, I
Speaker 1: want to talk about the college football playoff.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you want to do it now.
Speaker 1: I do want to ill later.
Speaker 3: All Right, there's guys. You need to watch a tackle
Speaker 3: because you talk about top fifty. There's a couple guys you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the kid at Washington's pretty good too, right.
Speaker 3: Troy Fatano, Yeah, so he's one of them. We'll get
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of guys. So I do want to
Speaker 1: talk about the current team a little bit. I think
Speaker 1: that the two biggest things coming out.
Speaker 3: Can I add one more thing on this? On the
Speaker 3: Walt Harrison thing, everybody says, oh, you know, they can't
Speaker 3: draft receivers. Harrison is the most can't miss receiver in
Speaker 3: the last ten years. Like, what a perfect way for
Speaker 3: them to just kind of hit it is. Let's say
Speaker 3: it's the same regime back coaching. It's Bill Belichick with
Speaker 3: Bill Brian Troy Browns wide receivers coach, right, and everybody
Speaker 3: kind of says they're Marvin Harrison proof, right, Like like,
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison is so good, it won't matter. Yeah, are
Speaker 3: we sure it's not the other way around? Is Marvin Harrison?
Speaker 3: Then proof is he's so good?
Speaker 1: Yes, I think they can't blow it. I think Mark
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know about that. I think
Speaker 1: he is now in Patriots luck, like he'll get hurt
Speaker 1: or something like.
Speaker 3: That, and that's one of the big knocks on it,
Speaker 3: and they don't handle it well when young receivers get hurt.
Speaker 3: That's been a long time trend of theirs. Okay, but
Speaker 3: I'm not worried about his talent. I just the court
Speaker 3: the receiver. You can't draft the receiver first. It's just
Speaker 3: not the way that the order of operations works. You're
Speaker 3: gonna draft Marvin Harrison junior. He's not gonna have a
Speaker 3: quarterback to throw him the ball. He's not gonna have
Speaker 3: an offensive line to block for the quarterback. So like,
Speaker 3: even if it's like a Bailey z appy type guy
Speaker 3: who might be able to get him the ball with
Speaker 3: some protection, like, you're not gonna have the protection. So
Speaker 3: you're gonna have Marvin Harrison Junior standing thirty yards down
Speaker 3: the field, frustrated.
Speaker 1: It as all hell because he can't get the ball
Speaker 1: because the quarterback in the offensive line can't get it
Speaker 1: to him. Like what good does that do? And I
Speaker 1: get there's like an adding talent argument, and maybe you
Speaker 1: know long term like eventually you have the quarterback and
Speaker 1: you have the line and now all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you have Marvin Harrison Junior. I get that. But now
Speaker 1: we're looking at it as like Marvin Harrison Junior is
Speaker 1: going to reach his potential in New England and you're
Speaker 1: like three or four and now we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: pay him. And now we're like already kicking that can
Speaker 1: down the road.
Speaker 3: What I know, you want to get off it. And
Speaker 3: I keep saying one more thing, but I think it's
Speaker 3: important for this argument. I think it's good people hear this.
Speaker 3: You talk about all right, even if you don't take Joelle,
Speaker 3: you still need to get the tackle like later on right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The tricky thing about this is you can probably get
Speaker 3: the tackle whether you trade back up late in the
Speaker 3: first you take him with your first second, Like, there's
Speaker 3: gonna be a couple of good tackles on the board there.
Speaker 3: That's it. The depth in this tackle class. The guys
Speaker 3: sitting to go on you know, day three. In this class,
Speaker 3: a lot of them would be undrafted in previous years. Like,
Speaker 3: it's just not a deep class at all. Wide receiver.
Speaker 3: On the other hand, do you know how many wide
Speaker 3: receivers are currently projected to go in the first round.
Speaker 3: You don't need to name them all, No, but you
Speaker 3: met the number we got to move on eight. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that's just in the first round. There are guys
Speaker 3: who are gonna go in the second round. I'll give
Speaker 3: you one guy for instance, a d Mitchell from Texas. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Ady Mitchell last year would have been my number one
Speaker 3: receiver on the board. Two years ago, Ady Mitchell would
Speaker 3: have been my number one receiver on the board. He's
Speaker 3: gonna be a second round pick this year. You can
Speaker 3: get really good receivers outside of the top fifty in
Speaker 3: this draft. You can get instinct contributors outside of the
Speaker 3: top fifty. That's not the case of tackle, not at all.
Speaker 3: And obviously it's not the case of quarterback. It's never
Speaker 3: been the case of quarterback. So you do have to
Speaker 3: play the board a little bit. That's just part of it. Okay,
Speaker 3: So let's talk about that. Forty minutes later, I was
Speaker 3: a really good conversation.
Speaker 1: Conversation I have.
Speaker 3: I hope people learn something.
Speaker 1: Very never mind.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: Don't don't like well actually people, now, all right, the
Speaker 1: people don't like that. Okay, what were you gonna say? Now,
Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna say, Like, don't don't you know,
Speaker 1: don't don't put your nose up to everybody that's upset. Okay. Uh. Anyways,
Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about the current team. I
Speaker 1: think the two the two main things coming out of
Speaker 1: this game that we have to discuss are basically, is
Speaker 1: your mind changed? Does your mind does any of this
Speaker 1: like two out of three wins, and like, let's just
Speaker 1: take all the feelings about the draft out of it
Speaker 1: for a second and just look at it in a vacuum.
Speaker 1: Does it change your mind about Bill Belichick? Does it
Speaker 1: change your mind about Bailly is happy? Because that that's
Speaker 1: I think that in the here and now. That's like
Speaker 1: the questions.
Speaker 3: About the team. Uh no, it doesn't. They scored nineteen
Speaker 3: points on offense.
Speaker 1: Yeah I know, and they were like three of something
Speaker 1: on thirty thirteen well eight, oh yeah, give them credit
Speaker 1: now it's or seven three and something.
Speaker 3: Give them credit. There were three to twelve on third
Speaker 3: down because the thirteenth was the when they clocked the ball,
Speaker 3: So okay, you don't need to pick that up. But no,
Speaker 3: it's because again, it's not move on from Bill because
Speaker 3: the team is a ten loss team ten plus lost
Speaker 3: team in twenty twenty three. It's moved on from Bill
Speaker 3: because the roster has fallen into such a state of
Speaker 3: despair that this is where they are. I still believe
Speaker 3: Bill can coach if anything change, I feel stronger about
Speaker 3: that fantasy world that's not gonna happen where Bill basically
Speaker 3: goes to Robert and says, you know what, have somebody
Speaker 3: else Bill the roster. I'm going to Nantucket. I'll see
Speaker 3: you for OTA's in May. Like I want that even
Speaker 3: more now. But that's not gonna happen. But I don't
Speaker 3: want it enough for unwilling to stick with Bill Belichick
Speaker 3: as the GM. I think they need. I still think
Speaker 3: they need a fresh voice because you still saw the
Speaker 3: issues with the roster that have compounded over the last
Speaker 3: few years flare up in this game. Even though they wont.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like they're just There is something to
Speaker 1: be said for the fact that at this point they're
Speaker 1: also just playing worse teams, right Pittsburgh Denver, like there
Speaker 1: does not they're not the Eagles, right, like they're not
Speaker 1: They're not Miami in Week two Dallas, when the when
Speaker 1: the losing really started to to permeate. I would just
Speaker 1: say that with Bill, I would agree with you that
Speaker 1: the ideal situation is that he stays up and coaches
Speaker 1: and hands personnel off to somebody else. I just don't
Speaker 1: know how.
Speaker 3: But like truly does it not symbolically again, he leaves.
Speaker 1: But I don't know how we realistically execute that because
Speaker 1: ultimately the personnel guy, let's call it Adam Peters, just
Speaker 1: for argument's sake, Adam Peters is gonna draft a player
Speaker 1: and then he's gonna hand that player to Bill, who's
Speaker 1: then gonna coach him, develop him, and then put him
Speaker 1: in a role. And Bill's roles in Bill's vision for
Speaker 1: his football team is not gonna change. So Adam Peters
Speaker 1: can go out and he can draft a four to
Speaker 1: two receiver like the Patriots did with Taekwon Thorton, or
Speaker 1: they can. He can go out and he can draft
Speaker 1: a Marty Maphu, and Bill is just gonna play Marty
Speaker 1: map who had safety and he's gonna bench Taekwon Thorton
Speaker 1: because he can't run routes like that. That's just gonna be.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's what's gonna end up happening. And how
Speaker 1: do you it's not about just identify buying talent better,
Speaker 1: Like I think that that if it was just simply
Speaker 1: they need to identify talent on the personnel side better,
Speaker 1: then it would be easy to say, let's put Adam
Speaker 1: Peters in charge. Let's put John Robinson in charge. Let's
Speaker 1: put you know, the guy from from Kansas City that
Speaker 1: can't remember his name, the assistant GM in Kansas City,
Speaker 1: Let's put him in charge. It would be much easier
Speaker 1: to say that if Bill was also changing the vision, right,
Speaker 1: like the vision is the problem. The problem is is
Speaker 1: that and this kind of relates to my take on
Speaker 1: Bailey Zappy. The problem is is that their offense right
Speaker 1: now is jump balls to Devonte Parker, right, and that
Speaker 1: is an archaic, extinct way of playing offense, and it's why, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they can make a few big plays down the stretch
Speaker 1: in a game like this, but like you said, they
Speaker 1: scored nineteen points, right, and that to get to a
Speaker 1: back to being an elite offense. You need to change
Speaker 1: the way that their structural Sure, you need to change
Speaker 1: the way they are structurally operating offensively. So here's my pitch,
Speaker 1: and I gave this on PUS. I'm sorry for people
Speaker 1: that listen to ball shows. Here's my pitch. If I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I'm advocating for keeping Bill, but if Bill
Speaker 1: were to stay, and if Robert were just to sit
Speaker 1: there and say I can't do it like he's the
Speaker 1: greatest coach of all time, the stability is to at
Speaker 1: this point of it's just I want it right, like
Speaker 1: I don't want to completely start from scratch with my
Speaker 1: football team. I have a couple of different parameters of
Speaker 1: that one. They need to hire a GM. Bill is
Speaker 1: losing GM responsibilities. They need to hire a real GM.
Speaker 1: And it can't be Macro because Macro is just gonna
Speaker 1: be a puppet for Bill.
Speaker 3: No, it's got to be But here's the thing, and
Speaker 3: I agree with you on that one hundred percent. It's
Speaker 3: got to be somebody wh's gonna actually do the job.
Speaker 3: How many people can really do There aren't that many
Speaker 3: people on the planet that you can put in there
Speaker 3: that are going to When Bill says some they're gonna
Speaker 3: say no, right, No, we're doing it my way.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why it has to be somebody that's done
Speaker 1: it before.
Speaker 3: I think there's three people realistically that you could hire
Speaker 3: for that role, and I'm not sure any of them
Speaker 3: would do it. Thomas de Metroz probably the most realistic option,
Speaker 3: John Robinson, and then the long shot, but like in
Speaker 3: theory if his qualifications, his qualifications check out, but I
Speaker 3: don't think he'd do it. Scott Fuley, yeah, is back in.
Speaker 3: I hope he doesn't. He's great on TV, but those
Speaker 3: are probably Is there anybody else that when Bill goes
Speaker 3: into the draft room and says I want Dallas turn
Speaker 3: or fourth overall, is gonna say no?
Speaker 1: I'm sure there is, right, Like, I'm sure somebody does
Speaker 1: have that type of backbone. But ultimately that so here's
Speaker 1: the thing that that general manager that we're talking about.
Speaker 1: And again I'm not advocating for keeping Bill. I would
Speaker 1: still move on as well. But if right, let's just
Speaker 1: play it out. If they were going to keep him,
Speaker 1: the GM that was in place answers to ownership. He
Speaker 1: doesn't answer to Bill, right like his boss needs to
Speaker 1: be Robert Craft. Yeah, and he needs to have complete
Speaker 1: control of the fifty three man roster like that's his team,
Speaker 1: it's his roster. Bill's just coaching Bill at this point.
Speaker 1: Is Andy Reid? Right? Like you know, Brett Veach is
Speaker 1: handing Andy Reid a pile of draft picks and here
Speaker 1: you go, coach, like this is your group. Right, That's
Speaker 1: what needs would need to happen. I think there probably
Speaker 1: are people that we don't necessarily know at the top
Speaker 1: of our heads, that do exist that would have that
Speaker 1: kind of backbone, but that that's on the Crafts to
Speaker 1: find that person, right, So that that's item number one,
Speaker 1: you're handing personnel off item number two. I still think
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien's a good coach. If Bill O'Brien is the
Speaker 1: guy that they want leading the offense, that's fine. But
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien and the general manager are running offense. Those
Speaker 1: two guys are making the personnel decisions on offense. Those
Speaker 1: two guys are making the schematic, you know what, the
Speaker 1: direction that we're taking the offense in. From A, A, AN,
Speaker 1: x's and o's standpoint, they're running offense. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: want Bill anywhere near the offense. I don't want I
Speaker 1: don't want Tom touch in it.
Speaker 3: Well, that's kind of like what we talked about when
Speaker 3: we were talking about them hiring an offensive coordinator last year,
Speaker 3: head coach of the offense, right like Josh mcka.
Speaker 1: So those two guys are gonna be in lockstep of
Speaker 1: what the vision is, what the personnel needs to be,
Speaker 1: where the holes are, and then obviously what the schematic
Speaker 1: direction of the offense is going to be. Item number
Speaker 1: three and this, Once we get to all three of these,
Speaker 1: you're gonna see even more how ridiculous this would be
Speaker 1: for Bill to say yes to this. Right item number three,
Speaker 1: I'm giving O'Brien full autonomy of his coaching staff on
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball, Like let him like
Speaker 1: hire his own guys. Okay, he has one of his
Speaker 1: own guys. It's Will lying the tight ends coach. I
Speaker 1: don't know who hired Adrian Klem, but Adrian Klem. I
Speaker 1: want to be sensitive about the fact that it's an
Speaker 1: illness or a health related situation. Right, So I don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on with Adrian Klem, but Adrian Clem
Speaker 1: I think was a Bill higher. I mean, has Bill
Speaker 1: written all over it right, former player for the page.
Speaker 3: Well, the O'Brien was here, so.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if Adrian Clem is going to
Speaker 1: be back here simply because of his health situation. So
Speaker 1: that offensive line coach hire needs to be Bill O'Brien's higher.
Speaker 1: If Bill O'Brien doesn't feel like Troy Brown and Vinie
Speaker 1: Conseri Viney Sinceri running backs coach, Troy Brown wide receivers coach, obviously,
Speaker 1: if he doesn't feel like those two guys are getting
Speaker 1: the job done, he needs to go get his own
Speaker 1: guys right. So they I feel like they kind of
Speaker 1: like told Bill O'Brien like, this is this is your staff, right, Like,
Speaker 1: this is the guys that you're working with. Figure it out.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that all of those guys are
Speaker 1: bad coaches or anything like that, but ultimately that's that's
Speaker 1: not how it should have been done. Like Josh McDaniels
Speaker 1: had his staff, like Carl Briscilla is his guy, Nick Lombardy,
Speaker 1: I know he has John har right, it's you know,
Speaker 1: those are his guys. So I think that they have
Speaker 1: to get back to doing all that. So a GM
Speaker 1: that has control of personnel handing over the offense to
Speaker 1: the GM and the offensive coordinator and allowing the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator to hire his own staff. I think I can
Speaker 1: just like drive the car to the airport for BIA.
Speaker 1: He's not doing that.
Speaker 3: Your your pitch is basically bills a defensive coordinator that's
Speaker 3: allowed to call timeouts during the game.
Speaker 1: That's your pitch.
Speaker 3: Nailed it.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm not saying it would be a bad setup,
Speaker 1: but he's not gonna do that.
Speaker 3: There's no way he would.
Speaker 1: But so that that's how that's how ridiculous that we've
Speaker 1: gotten to the point where like that's not even feasible,
Speaker 1: and like that's what it would really realistically need to be,
Speaker 1: and that that's just not What is a.
Speaker 3: Deep college football term? Uh h, I've actually only seen
Speaker 3: it written out. I don't know if you're supposed to
Speaker 3: pronounce it or hci n O. I don't know, hissinko
Speaker 3: oh head coach and name only. It's when a college
Speaker 3: football head coach is basically a figurehead and he's not
Speaker 3: really like he's there. He's calling timeouts on the sideline,
Speaker 3: he's doing the press conferences.
Speaker 1: But I just wish that, like my whole thing about
Speaker 1: it is is that I just wish that Bill would
Speaker 1: embrace being more like what Andy Reid is when in
Speaker 1: Kansas City, not this year because he's had to take
Speaker 1: back over the offense because the enemy's not there, but
Speaker 1: Kansas City with the enemy, like Andy Reid was literally
Speaker 1: just there for a good time. Like he just would
Speaker 1: show up to see you. Yeah, he would show up,
Speaker 1: He'd you know, QC everything, he'd draw fun plays like
Speaker 1: just let let Bill just like draw pressure schemes, you know,
Speaker 1: and like a game plan for like Patrick Mahomes and
Speaker 1: Josh Allen all the time, like right, all this other stuff,
Speaker 1: I just I don't know at this point, at seventy
Speaker 1: one years old, Like I don't know if Bill has
Speaker 1: has it in him anymore to have his hands in
Speaker 1: so many different things. So you have to empower other
Speaker 1: people to go out and do some of that stuff.
Speaker 1: That's that's I think what the bottom line is. It's
Speaker 1: nothing to do with like me trying to disrespect Bill's
Speaker 1: football mind, Like he obviously has a fantastic football mind
Speaker 1: and maybe the best ever. But I think at this
Speaker 1: point in his life he needs to allow some other
Speaker 1: people to do some other things. And I just wonder
Speaker 1: if if he could just embrace that type of role
Speaker 1: of Andy Reid, Pete Carroll, like these other guys that
Speaker 1: are just kind of out there and they're making sure
Speaker 1: that it's a tight ship. They're making sure that that
Speaker 1: you know, the game plan and everything is getting done
Speaker 1: the proper way. And then they're also just having fun
Speaker 1: with scheme right right that that that's that all the
Speaker 1: like crazy crap that Kansas City does on offense, all
Speaker 1: that stuff gets cooked up in Andy Reid's mind because
Speaker 1: he's not focused on you know, signing claiming Marco Wilson
Speaker 1: off of waivers, right like that, that's not on his plate,
Speaker 1: like that type of you know, Nathan Rourke like that,
Speaker 1: that he's not worried about that kind of stuff. Whereas
Speaker 1: with Bill right now, it's all on Bill. Everything is
Speaker 1: on Bill to do at all. And I think at
Speaker 1: this point, maybe he's at his age, he's he's stretched
Speaker 1: too thin, and I don't think that that's a realistic
Speaker 1: scenario for him to accept that. Maybe, you if they
Speaker 1: really feel strongly about bringing back Bill, maybe he accepts
Speaker 1: like two out of three of those things, right, you know,
Speaker 1: instead of all of it. But that that would be.
Speaker 1: My pitch to him is that you need to start
Speaker 1: giving in to some of these other people, like you
Speaker 1: need to start giving some power, succeeding some power to
Speaker 1: some younger guys, some more visionary guys on the offensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball and allow them to take over
Speaker 1: because defensively, they're still really well coached defense. And whether
Speaker 1: you want to give that credit to Bill or the assistance,
Speaker 1: I think it's both right. But ultimately that's that's where
Speaker 1: he that's Bill's side of the ball. He's the defense
Speaker 1: of Gurud and and they're still really good. I mean,
Speaker 1: they just got Russell Wilson benched and probably cut by
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos because by the third quarter the guy
Speaker 1: was seeing ghosts as Bill, you know, was scheming up
Speaker 1: pressure against the Broncos one of their better pressure games
Speaker 1: of the year, just in terms of cooking it up right,
Speaker 1: and that I think is is something that Bill can
Speaker 1: still really do at a high level. With Bailey ZAPPI
Speaker 1: I mentioned this earlier, and I feel like this is
Speaker 1: a this is kind of segues into it with me.
Speaker 1: I think with Bailey Zappy, I am no longer going
Speaker 1: to sit here and tell you that Bailey Zappy is.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not gonna take him lightly anymore. I
Speaker 1: feel like in the in the off season and training
Speaker 1: camp because of what we saw, and I still stand
Speaker 1: by what we saw at practice, But between last year
Speaker 1: and and the training camp this year, I will fully
Speaker 1: midhand up that I was very dismissive of Bailey Zappi.
Speaker 1: I was like, this guy is not it. I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about it. I don't want to entertain
Speaker 1: Bailey Zappi as a star arting quarterback for the Patriots
Speaker 1: over Mac Jones. I'm not doing that. It's Max team
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. I'm opening my mind up to
Speaker 1: embracing the FEVA right and embracing Zappy a little bit.
Speaker 1: But I still think he's a backup quarterback. Like I'm
Speaker 1: still not saying like we're hitching our wagon to Bailey Zappy.
Speaker 1: But he's got a little bit of something something like
Speaker 1: he can move around a little bit, He's got a
Speaker 1: little bit more gun slinger off platform, you know, broken
Speaker 1: extended play type of stuff to him than Mac Jones does.
Speaker 1: He just looks more natural playing quarterback like Mac Jones
Speaker 1: looks like a quarterback that's been drilling quarterback drill since
Speaker 1: the sixth grade, right, Like it's just like a quarterback
Speaker 1: robot right at this point, where when things happen in
Speaker 1: the course of a game with Mac Jones that he's
Speaker 1: not expecting to happen, like a pressure breaks through or
Speaker 1: they're playing a different coverage and then he self, you know, implodes,
Speaker 1: right right, Whereas with Bailey Zappy, he's got a little
Speaker 1: bit more of like a natural instinct in playmaking gene
Speaker 1: to the game. And I think that this offense needed that,
Speaker 1: Like they needed somebody that was just gonna play a
Speaker 1: little bit looser, and that is why I think that
Speaker 1: they've been a little bit better with Bailey ZAPPI.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he kind of looks like Mac did his rookie
Speaker 3: year a little bit, I think before he obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: had to spend two years behind that offensive line.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like a big question this week has been with
Speaker 3: the Patriots be better if Bailey Zappie had started from
Speaker 3: week one. I don't think so, because of what you said,
Speaker 3: Like he struggled so much in camp, and he even
Speaker 3: talked about yesterday how it took him some time to
Speaker 3: learn the offense and get comfortable in the offense and
Speaker 3: could they have made the switch a little bit sooner, yes,
Speaker 3: But I think at that point, by the time Zappi
Speaker 3: was ready, they were who they were right, and it
Speaker 3: was they were not going to be a playoff team.
Speaker 3: And it's funny a lot of the same people complaining
Speaker 3: about draft positioning are the same people complaining, oh, they
Speaker 3: should have gone to Zafi sooner. Well, which one do
Speaker 3: you really want or do you just want to complain?
Speaker 3: I think with him, And it is the perfect year
Speaker 3: to talk about this. I think people think that it's like,
Speaker 3: for example, in Cincinnati, that Joe Burrow has this like
Speaker 3: vastly different skill set than a guy like Jake Browning has,
Speaker 3: And that's not necessarily the case. It's the biggest divider
Speaker 3: between a guy like Joe Burrow and a guy like
Speaker 3: Jake Browning or a guy like any of the other.
Speaker 3: Like when you have the class of like the Kirk
Speaker 3: Cousins right in that group and the Startersho've gone down
Speaker 3: this year and Deshaun Watson and then you have like
Speaker 3: Josh Dobbs and Jake Browning in that group, it's consistency,
Speaker 3: Like you don't get this far without being able to
Speaker 3: do some pretty spectacular stuff with the football, just in
Speaker 3: any regard to be a backup quarterback in the NFL,
Speaker 3: Tim Boyle had five touchdowns thirteen interceptions of the Yukon
Speaker 3: he's in the NFL. Part of it's because he's friends
Speaker 3: with Aaron Rodgers, but like, you have to be able
Speaker 3: to have some level of ability. The difference is like
Speaker 3: the throw Jake Browning made to t Higgins the other week,
Speaker 3: outstanding throw, but Jake Browning only makes that throw two
Speaker 3: of every ten times, three of every ten times, right,
Speaker 3: whereas Joe Burrow makes it eight or nine out of
Speaker 3: every ten times. That's the difference. When you have a
Speaker 3: guy like Bailey's Appy, Like I think Bailey's Appy's one
Speaker 3: of these guys. Tommy DeVito's another one right where Tommy
Speaker 3: DeVito was the hottest name in football for two weeks
Speaker 3: there and now he's benched because yes, he can do it.
Speaker 3: You don't get this far without being able to do
Speaker 3: some of those things. But he can't. He couldn't do
Speaker 3: it regularly and kind of once teams figured out what
Speaker 3: his comfort zone was, he didn't really have a plan
Speaker 3: B to go off of. I think that's who Bailey
Speaker 3: Zappy is, Yeah, he does have some abilities, and I
Speaker 3: do think he's gonna be in this league for a
Speaker 3: long time as a backup, as a bridge starter, like
Speaker 3: you know, a guy like Jacoby Verssett when he came
Speaker 3: out of the draft, they compare him to Chase Daniel,
Speaker 3: like he's gonna be around forever.
Speaker 1: Because I like, right now, I feel like he's like
Speaker 1: you know, Chase Daniel for might be before some people
Speaker 1: that actually listen to our show. Yeah, i'd like Taylor
Speaker 1: Heineke like another guy that I feel like that counts
Speaker 1: around as a back and there's.
Speaker 3: Absolutely nothing wrong with that. But you see it the
Speaker 3: splits between the first half and the second half, and
Speaker 3: even in that game he had some miss throws, the
Speaker 3: miss reads. Yeah, it's just not consistent enough for to
Speaker 3: be like, all right, this is the guy we're gonna
Speaker 3: build around, this is the guy we're gonna Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think consistency is exactly the word that I would use,
Speaker 1: or like sustainability, because I think you can see it
Speaker 1: just in games from one half to the other or
Speaker 1: going back to like the Charger game versus this Broncos game.
Speaker 1: The biggest difference between the Charger game and this Broncos
Speaker 1: game was that DeVante Parker made the catches in the
Speaker 1: Broncos game. So in the against the Chargers, Bailey Zappi
Speaker 1: was one for five on deep passes. Against the Broncos,
Speaker 1: he was three for three. Like that, that's the difference.
Speaker 3: And some of those were like, I mean, one of
Speaker 3: those ones, he throws it just to a spot and
Speaker 3: Parker gets it, Like, I wouldn't say it's an outstanding throw,
Speaker 3: It's just Parker Parker.
Speaker 1: Parker, Parker makes a play this week. Pop Douglas to
Speaker 1: play down the field this week. But there's a reason
Speaker 1: why those are called fifty to fifty balls. Some weeks
Speaker 1: it's gonna work. In some weeks it's not. And we
Speaker 1: see that half to half with Bailey Zappi. We see
Speaker 1: that from the Charger game to the Broncos game, like
Speaker 1: you can see it in tangible evidence of one half
Speaker 1: it works against the Steelers, the second half it doesn't
Speaker 1: work against the Steelers. And I feel like that's the
Speaker 1: way that his game is right now. So in order
Speaker 1: for me to really be like this guy deserves a
Speaker 1: chance to compete next year for the starting job, I
Speaker 1: need to see his consistency especially in the short game,
Speaker 1: which is where he's had issues in camp, and he's
Speaker 1: had those issues have continued into the regular season. He
Speaker 1: had three or four opportunities to beat the Blitz last
Speaker 1: week where they actually had it drawn up correctly, They
Speaker 1: had the hot and they had the protection going the
Speaker 1: right direction and he just airmails a throw, you know,
Speaker 1: second drive of the game, he has Pop Douglas in
Speaker 1: the flat and he just rushes the throw and it's
Speaker 1: nowhere near him. He had Pop Douglas later on in
Speaker 1: the game on a zero Blitz and the throw was
Speaker 1: nowhere near him. The play to Zeke in the flat.
Speaker 1: They ended up hitting it for the touchdown later on
Speaker 1: that it was a tough catch because the ball placement
Speaker 1: wasn't perfect and it was an open throw against the Blitz.
Speaker 1: That all he's got to do is put it on
Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott there and it might be a touchdown and
Speaker 1: instead it's a drop. And like those little things like that,
Speaker 1: if he can clean that stuff up and he can
Speaker 1: be more consistent, you know, he went to the podium
Speaker 1: yesterday and he brought up the Pharaoh Brown play down
Speaker 1: the field that he felt like he missed. You're gonna
Speaker 1: miss some reeds like that in the NFL. You know,
Speaker 1: it happens to you needed to. You were a little
Speaker 1: bit sped up. The ball came out a little bit
Speaker 1: sooner than you wanted to. But once the ball comes out,
Speaker 1: everybody's converging on Zeke Elliott. And now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it looks like Farroh Brown is wide open down the field.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna knock him for all those little that
Speaker 1: those types of misses the reeds, as you know you
Speaker 1: would put it. It's more the throws that are an issue.
Speaker 1: Like when he gets it's and he's got Pop Douglas
Speaker 1: and Douglas sits down and is right, you know, five
Speaker 1: yards away from him, and he throws it all the
Speaker 1: way over here, Like you can't have that. Like he's
Speaker 1: got to be able to make those times.
Speaker 3: And the other thing is, and I think the reason
Speaker 3: maybe so many people are high on him because he
Speaker 3: does look much better than mac Jones obviously, and he's
Speaker 3: more confident in poised than Mac right, But the other
Speaker 3: the other part about it is, and this this is
Speaker 3: like better than mac Jones can't be the bar. It
Speaker 3: just can't. Like that's not that doesn't mean, yeah, right,
Speaker 3: And I think one of the big differences is Mac
Speaker 3: would get a rusher in his face and he'd throw
Speaker 3: a pick and he would just he couldn't well no, no, no,
Speaker 3: but here's my point. He couldn't get There were times
Speaker 3: too many times where he couldn't get the ball out
Speaker 3: of his hand fast enough. Yeah, and I think Bailey's appy.
Speaker 3: He's getting sacked a lot, and I think he's turning
Speaker 3: a lot of those into sacks. So it looks better
Speaker 3: because he's getting sacked instead of getting picked and maybe
Speaker 3: they go three and out, but hey, he's not throwing
Speaker 3: all these interceptions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean his turnover worthy played rate is lower, right,
Speaker 1: and their explosive play rate has sky, right, But i'm.
Speaker 3: His turnover worth he plays play rate is lower, but
Speaker 3: he's taking a ton of sacks. And it's now, can
Speaker 3: you go get the guy that instead of turning those
Speaker 3: empty rushes into sacks, is gonna be able to break
Speaker 3: away and do something with it? Like that's the next step.
Speaker 1: I said, He's done that a little bit too, though,
Speaker 1: Like his pocket mobility is definitely a little bit but not.
Speaker 3: I still think that there's times where he's just holding
Speaker 3: the ball way too long.
Speaker 1: Maybe. I I feel like his pocket mobility is probably
Speaker 1: his best trait, like his ability to bounce around the
Speaker 1: pocket and move off his spot and reset, Like the
Speaker 1: throw to Pop Douglas. You know, he has the rusher
Speaker 1: coming off the edge and he just steps through the
Speaker 1: pocket and makes a throw. I thought his best, you know,
Speaker 1: bit of pocket mobility was the little checkdown to Zeke
Speaker 1: on the game winning drive. Vederian logets spun around by
Speaker 1: the edge rusher there and he's able to just kind
Speaker 1: of bob and weave out of the sack and then
Speaker 1: just make a little check down. That's a five yards
Speaker 1: that you know, that makes it a sixty yard field
Speaker 1: goal instead of a fifty six, Right.
Speaker 3: I just, I just he's You don't think there's still
Speaker 3: some like real deer in headlights moments him.
Speaker 1: Not in this game, No, may maybe a little bit
Speaker 1: in Kansas City because they had, you know, Kansas City.
Speaker 1: I thought a lot of the issues that they had
Speaker 1: with picking up pressure were or pre snap mental things right,
Speaker 1: like setting mike points and things like that. And there
Speaker 1: were guys that I don't think he expected to be
Speaker 1: free that were free, like on the corner blitz like
Speaker 1: he didn't expect the corner blitz to come, and so
Speaker 1: he's you know, standing there and it's coming off his
Speaker 1: backside and he just never sees it coming, right, And
Speaker 1: so those types of plays. I see that. But I
Speaker 1: think that his his ability to move around the pocket,
Speaker 1: even with Mac at his best, I think is significantly
Speaker 1: better than Mac Jones.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and but again, like that's not the bar. I
Speaker 3: still just think it's been the year of the backup quarterback, right,
Speaker 3: all these guys having their fifteen minutes, Josh Dobbs, Tommy DeVito, Yeah,
Speaker 3: outside of Joe Flacco, which is its own thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, I just I feel like Bailey's appy, that's
Speaker 3: you know, he's having us fifteen minutes right now. He's
Speaker 3: where Tommy DeVito was two weeks ago. He's where Josh
Speaker 3: Dobbs was a month ago.
Speaker 1: I could agree more. I he's got a six game
Speaker 1: sample size because he's gonna start the last two games
Speaker 1: of the year, right, so he's gonna have a six
Speaker 1: game sample size. And that's a lot bigger, obviously than
Speaker 1: the two games sample size that we got last year.
Speaker 1: So in six games, that's almost half a season, or
Speaker 1: at least a third of a season. I think we're
Speaker 1: in a position where we can really say is this
Speaker 1: a real thing or is this a flash in the pan.
Speaker 1: He's gonna play Buffalo, and then he's gonna play a
Speaker 1: pretty good Jets defense the week after that. Those are
Speaker 1: two a playoff team and a good defense. If he
Speaker 1: goes toe to toe with Josh Allen. Now Mac Jones
Speaker 1: did in Week seven. He went he won a game
Speaker 1: against Josh Allen going toe to toe with him. So
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's something Mac has never done,
Speaker 1: but I there's gonna just you wait, like there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a groundswell of people that are are gonna really
Speaker 1: be like why not? Why not? Bailey Zappi? And I
Speaker 1: just wanted us to kind of lay out right now,
Speaker 1: like why not Bailey Zappi? Like what are the biggest reasons?
Speaker 1: All right, let's take some phone calls and then we'll
Speaker 1: get to three up redown. Patty's been hanging on. What's up, Patty?
Speaker 4: What's going on? Guys? Can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Yes? We got you?
Speaker 4: All right, I'll take you out Bluetooth. So it's interesting
Speaker 4: what you guys were talking about as far as like
Speaker 4: the possibility of Bill coming back, because that's what I
Speaker 4: wanted to ask you. I mean, one thing we said,
Speaker 4: and we I mean, like the collective fans and what
Speaker 4: we've talked about on you before the season started. We said,
Speaker 4: if this team's gonna have great season, the mac Jones
Speaker 4: needs to take that next step. And it hasn't happened.
Speaker 4: So offensively, we're anep because the quarterback sucks and they
Speaker 4: made the switch way too late, which who knows what
Speaker 4: would happen, but they probably would have looked very similar.
Speaker 4: That being said, if mister Kraft does bring Belichick back,
Speaker 4: and I don't see a scenario where he brings them
Speaker 4: back and he's not the general manager, I mean he's
Speaker 4: got to say, Bill, look, we took the quarterback and
Speaker 4: he stunk up the plate. That's why that's why we
Speaker 4: that's why we suck here. We have to take a quarternick.
Speaker 4: We have to take another quarterback. And I mean, do
Speaker 4: you think do you think Phil would get his candies
Speaker 4: in a bunch if that was a case or do
Speaker 4: you think you do you think he recognizes what happened
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty one. And I'll leave it with that,
Speaker 4: and great show guys is all.
Speaker 1: Thanks Patty. So here here's two parts of that question.
Speaker 1: I feel like, one, do I think that there's a
Speaker 1: chance that Bill is back, Yes, because I think just
Speaker 1: putting myself in in robber craft shoes, I think it's
Speaker 1: a lot easier to in the moment when the season's
Speaker 1: happening in like, let's just take Germany, because I know
Speaker 1: that that's the top current report, right, Like that was
Speaker 1: the final straw. You're sitting there in Germany. Mac Jones
Speaker 1: and Bailey's Abby just threw picks on back to back
Speaker 1: drives to lose the game and what's basically a home game.
Speaker 1: A lot invested into that game in terms of the
Speaker 1: organization and all that kind of stuff, and it's just
Speaker 1: it's just a terrible game, right, and you lose. It's
Speaker 1: a lot easier to come off of that and just
Speaker 1: say we need the fire bill right right than it
Speaker 1: is to get to January eighth. And Bill comes into
Speaker 1: your office to have that meeting that they have every
Speaker 1: single year of resetting, you know, state of the Union,
Speaker 1: Like what are we going to do? And Bill sitting
Speaker 1: across the table, like we're sitting across the table from
Speaker 1: each other, right now and to look Bill in the
Speaker 1: eyes and say you're fired, like you know, like, I
Speaker 1: think that that's we have to just look at it
Speaker 1: from a human perspective and say that that is to
Speaker 1: tell the greatest head coach of all time, a guy
Speaker 1: that's won you six super Bowls, a guy that's had
Speaker 1: the unparalleled success that Bill Belichick has had here in
Speaker 1: New England, to sit across the table from that guy
Speaker 1: and say you're out, I think is a lot easier
Speaker 1: said than done. So yes, I think there's a chance
Speaker 1: that they get cold feet about the whole thing.
Speaker 3: And I think there's I think winning games down the
Speaker 3: stretch is only gonna help. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that that I think is tough. Uh to
Speaker 1: answer the quarterback question. Uh, I think that that's I
Speaker 1: think that's gonna be Bill's argument. I think Bill's gonna
Speaker 1: go into that meeting and say, our quarterbacks stick, like
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's what the problem was the problem was,
Speaker 1: is that that we don't have a good quarterback, Like,
Speaker 1: look at all these one score losses. Look at all
Speaker 1: these losses because we turned the ball over like crazy,
Speaker 1: Like you can you can talk yourself into I know
Speaker 1: a lot of the pro Zappi people have done this
Speaker 1: with Zappy like flipping games. Right, if you had better
Speaker 1: quarterback play, like you beat the Giants, you beat the Chargers,
Speaker 1: you beat the Colts in Germany. Quarterback like you do
Speaker 1: you Yeah, all of a sudden, you can talk yourself
Speaker 1: into well, actually, like the rest of this roster, Robert
Speaker 1: was really like a nine or ten win team, but
Speaker 1: we didn't have the quarterback kept on shooting us in
Speaker 1: the foot and that's what that's how it unraveled on us. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously you're not gonna flip the Dallas and New Or games,
Speaker 1: but the Raiders, the Colts, you know, the Chargers, the Giants.
Speaker 1: That's four wins right there. That if you told me,
Speaker 1: like you had Justin Herbert playing quarterback instead of Mac Jones,
Speaker 1: you could probably convince somebody that that you could flip
Speaker 1: those games. And that's exactly what I think Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: is going to say.
Speaker 3: Well, the problem is I think he's going to say
Speaker 3: and look, at the end of the year, Bailey's appy
Speaker 3: stopped turning the ball over. I don't think he's going
Speaker 3: to go in and say I need a new quarterback.
Speaker 3: I think he's going to say, ZAPPI didn't turn the
Speaker 3: ball over. That's the only thing that matters for us
Speaker 3: at the quarterback position. He doesn't turn it over. Let
Speaker 3: me get back at it. Let me keep building up
Speaker 3: this defense, let me rebuild the offensive line. Here we go,
Speaker 3: because Evan, we've talked about this on the show. His
Speaker 3: whole idea is a dominant defense, an offense that just
Speaker 3: doesn't turn. They got shut out six nothing by the Chargers,
Speaker 3: and he was talking about how the the defense didn't
Speaker 3: get them good enough field position. Yeah, right, the offensive
Speaker 3: score point. He comes out and he blames the defense, right,
Speaker 3: So I absolutely see that as a as a chape
Speaker 3: thing where he goes in he basically says, all right,
Speaker 3: Bailey's Appy's not going to turn the ball over, so
Speaker 3: the offense will be what I needed to be. Let
Speaker 3: me keep adding to the defense, let me fix the
Speaker 3: offensive line a little bit. I think there's a real
Speaker 3: chance if he comes back. You see the same offseasons
Speaker 3: last year where they add pieces to the defense, they
Speaker 3: tanker on the margins with the offense, and they just
Speaker 3: basically do the same offseason they just did around Bailey's
Speaker 3: Appy instead of around Mac Jones. That would it's not
Speaker 3: what I would do. If Bill comes back, it would
Speaker 3: not surprise me in the slightest.
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's on the table. I understand
Speaker 1: that we have to, like realistically look at it. But
Speaker 1: we talked about it.
Speaker 3: If you bring Bill back, and bringing Bill backwarts at all?
Speaker 3: And if it, why is Bill going to change? If
Speaker 3: Bill comes back? Why is this year suddenly the wake
Speaker 3: up call that everything's going to be different? If I
Speaker 3: do that point, I don't just walk away.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it will be a wake up
Speaker 1: call that he necessarily has on his own. I think
Speaker 1: that that has to be the agreement between him and
Speaker 1: ownership if there is a decision to come back, just
Speaker 1: kind of like last year, I think that they thought
Speaker 1: hiring Bill O'Brien was going to fix everything that this year,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: That one psion. So what's the one? So he gets
Speaker 3: one concession? Last year was O'Brien? Is it the quarterback?
Speaker 3: This year? Is it tackle?
Speaker 1: Is it receiver? Yeah? I think what it would be
Speaker 1: being generally being more aggressive with adding offense, Like your Bill,
Speaker 1: your defense is set right, like you have your guys
Speaker 1: on defense. If you want to, you know, re sign
Speaker 1: some of the guys on the margins. You know that's
Speaker 1: not gonna affect our caps. So like, go ahead if
Speaker 1: you want to resign Kyle Duggar, Like that's probably the
Speaker 1: biggest money I would spend.
Speaker 3: But I think it's gonna at that point, you're just
Speaker 3: gonna get tackles. You're gonna get another running back and
Speaker 3: you might get a tight end and that's it, Like
Speaker 3: you're not I I don't.
Speaker 1: Think I will and that, but that would be my
Speaker 1: putt right like that you have to be more aggressive.
Speaker 3: But but I I think I mean he he he
Speaker 3: was on radio yesday and he raved about Bailey's Abbey,
Speaker 3: like raved about him. I think with Zappi's showing him
Speaker 3: right now, even in that Chiefs game, I think what
Speaker 3: he's seeing from Bailey z Appy now, like there's chance
Speaker 3: if he's back, Bailey's Appy is the unquestioned starter coming
Speaker 3: into camp next year.
Speaker 1: Oh I don't think so. I don't because I don't
Speaker 1: think organization would go for that. But I I is
Speaker 1: there a chance. But but this is my point, this
Speaker 1: is there a chance that it's Bailey Zappy. And I
Speaker 1: know you hate to hear this, but like bo Nicks,
Speaker 1: like it's it's Bailey Zappi.
Speaker 3: It's and Bailey Zappi basically, but like this is the
Speaker 3: but but this is my point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Is there a world where okay, and I'm saying, like
Speaker 3: ownership should absolutely have that directive. I don't disagree with
Speaker 3: you on that. At that point, does Bill say, fine,
Speaker 3: trade me? At that point, Bill say, you're not dictating
Speaker 3: how I handle the quarterback position.
Speaker 1: That's but it's not how I do it. It's not
Speaker 1: just quarterback. That's my point though, Right, it's not just quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's it's signing A T. Higgins. It's being more aggressive
Speaker 1: in the in the.
Speaker 3: He's gonna go to them and say, but he's gonna
Speaker 3: he's gonna come back and say, but we don't need Higgins.
Speaker 3: We want to run the ball, we want to play physical,
Speaker 3: we don't need this deep threat. We want to just
Speaker 3: here's the door. Like I that's my point, and that's
Speaker 3: my point. I don't think those two things ultimately end up.
Speaker 3: It's one or the other. Bill's back. Bill's back to
Speaker 3: do it his way. They're gonna say, we want you
Speaker 3: to be better on offense. He's gonna say, fine, but
Speaker 3: I want to be better at offense the way I
Speaker 3: want to play offense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see that's not good enough for me.
Speaker 3: Well then there you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just don't think you're gonna suddenly turn Bill Belichick
Speaker 3: into Sean McVay. Maybe you will at that point, at
Speaker 3: that point, he'll go be Bill Belichick elsewhere I think
Speaker 3: as and you could argue like he has ever read
Speaker 3: to do that, and maybe that's what he should do,
Speaker 3: but I just don't see that happening.
Speaker 1: All right, Eddie is in LA. What's that? Betty's up?
Speaker 5: Guys? I know I'll to talk for this team right
Speaker 5: now is about the offense. But I'm don't gonna be wrong.
Speaker 5: Obviously that should be the talk. And Evan, like, I
Speaker 5: think in a perfect world, if we were in one,
Speaker 5: obviously this upcoming draft would be all offense. But I
Speaker 5: can't help but think that we need at least depth
Speaker 5: pieces on defense. And I'm not saying he's the first
Speaker 5: round take on a on defense obviously not, but maybe
Speaker 5: like the later round picks, especially like on the D line,
Speaker 5: because I know.
Speaker 4: Christian Barmer is like he's coming up right now.
Speaker 5: But like and Bocha is also good. Betch Wise also good,
Speaker 5: but those guys are kind of getting, you know, a
Speaker 5: little bit up there with the age, and I would
Speaker 5: I just think it'd be like a good idea to
Speaker 5: take a backup d line, backup corners obviously that could
Speaker 5: like learn like the D lineman can learn from Gotcha,
Speaker 5: they can learn from Lawrence guy, they can learn from
Speaker 5: Dietrich Wise, maybe sit behind them for like a year
Speaker 5: at least, like they could learn a few moves, learn this,
Speaker 5: learn that, And I just think it could be so
Speaker 5: beneficial for the future. So I got for you guys.
Speaker 5: I'll let you guys talk about that a few as well.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, thanks Eddie. Yeah, I mean look that
Speaker 1: you still obviously need to keep the cupboard stocked on defense,
Speaker 1: but I think the defensive line point like that's what
Speaker 1: Keon White is here for, right right, Like they drafted
Speaker 1: ke On White to develop him behind those guys. Could
Speaker 1: I gonna be blue in the face about them taking
Speaker 1: an edge guy in the fourth round, Like, no.
Speaker 3: Well you will be, but no, you will.
Speaker 1: Depends on what it depends on what they do in
Speaker 1: the first three.
Speaker 3: I guess I think that there's one starting caliber kind
Speaker 3: of need on defense, and that's free safety, and that's
Speaker 3: where not the first round pick, but if if they
Speaker 3: went there in the third round or you know, top
Speaker 3: one hundred, top one fifty pick premium contract, that to
Speaker 3: me is the one big needs a starting free sete.
Speaker 3: It just yeah, they're gonna have a couple. I will
Speaker 3: hang on because I actually want to ask you something.
Speaker 3: They're gonna have a couple other ancillary needs. Uh, they're
Speaker 3: gonna need another boundary corner. They're gonna need like a
Speaker 3: third rotational boundary corner. That guy you can get later
Speaker 3: on or you can get in free agency. They're probably
Speaker 3: gonna need another depth pass rusher. Here's the one really
Speaker 3: interesting one. And nobody's really talking about this right now.
Speaker 3: I think we touched on it briefly a show or
Speaker 3: two of them. But this is one of the first
Speaker 3: bit after you know, whoever is making the decisions first
Speaker 3: they got to decide just making the decisions whoever. That
Speaker 3: is one of the first big decisions that person has
Speaker 3: to make. And this is a tough one. Is what
Speaker 3: to do with Matthew Judon. He is gonna be thirty two. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's coming off this injury. He has no guaranteed money
Speaker 3: in his contract next year, Yeah, the final year.
Speaker 1: Gonna want to He's gonna want some money.
Speaker 3: He is going to on a new deal. Uh, if
Speaker 3: they trade him, they open up or cut him.
Speaker 1: Actually it's the same. They open up five million dollars
Speaker 1: in cab cap spaces. Is that doesn't matter. Okay, they're
Speaker 1: gonna have one hundred million dollars in Okay. But the
Speaker 1: point being, like, what do you do you give Matthew
Speaker 1: jud On a new deal? Do you see if you
Speaker 1: can get value from him? Do you trade him?
Speaker 3: Do you just outright release him to avoid the whole
Speaker 3: thing if they move on for Matthew Judon and let's
Speaker 3: say josh U j goes now pass rusher is a
Speaker 3: premium need Now pass Rusher, you're and that's why I
Speaker 3: know you don't want to hear it. But if Bill's
Speaker 3: still in charge.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna jump across the table at you right now.
Speaker 1: Two years ago just like what are we doing? Like okay,
Speaker 1: so you you just you're worried about like what like
Speaker 1: that they're not going to be able to sack the
Speaker 1: quarterback now they're gonna be able to get to him.
Speaker 3: For two years ago, when they had a really good
Speaker 3: starting left guard and traded him for no reason and
Speaker 3: then use the first round pick to replace him.
Speaker 1: God, it's just this is the problem with this team though.
Speaker 1: And I think to Eddie's call, I hear you that
Speaker 1: that they that they need to keep the cupboard stocked
Speaker 1: on defense. They don't have the luxury to operate like
Speaker 1: that anymore. They have immediate holes, left tackle, quarterback, number
Speaker 1: one wide receiver. These are things that they need now
Speaker 1: and I and maybe five years ago, ten years ago,
Speaker 1: they could have operated in this scenario where they draft
Speaker 1: Nate Solder in the first round knowing that he's probably
Speaker 1: not gonna play because Matt Lighte is going to retire.
Speaker 1: They don't have that luxury.
Speaker 3: Scenes this is this is where I'm worried for. Like
Speaker 3: Bill comes in says, all right, it's the year two
Speaker 3: early or too late thing. We're moving on from Jude
Speaker 3: on and boom, I can get Dallas Turner and replace him.
Speaker 3: That's what I'd be worried about with Bill cop back.
Speaker 1: But that they can't think that way.
Speaker 3: I know the I and that's why I said them
Speaker 3: their biggest But isn't that isn't that wouldn't that be
Speaker 3: if nothing changes, wouldn't that be their approach if if if.
Speaker 1: I'm rkk, i am, I am livid if they do,
Speaker 1: And that's my point, and that's my point. I fire
Speaker 1: him on this.
Speaker 3: But that that lines up, all right, that that thing aside,
Speaker 3: that thing aside, Yeah, do you bring Jude on back?
Speaker 1: I bring Jude on back simply because I feel like
Speaker 1: this team and this other than I like identifying talent
Speaker 1: personnel wise, I think the bigger issue with this team
Speaker 1: actually hasn't necessarily been recently in the draft, the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two draft, like aside, right, it hasn't necessarily been
Speaker 1: solely talent evaluation. It's been the fact that they constantly
Speaker 1: are chasing their tails at premium positions, like they have
Speaker 1: not solved tackle. So every freaking year it's just a
Speaker 1: a you know, roll of dex of tackles that were
Speaker 1: just cycling through. Now it's now it's Trent Brown, Now
Speaker 1: it's Connor McDermott, now it's Vederian Low. Now we're kicking
Speaker 1: on when you back outside, like we're just we're constantly
Speaker 1: chasing our tail at tackles. They're constantly chasing their tail
Speaker 1: at guard like they just blew up their interior offensive
Speaker 1: line for no freaking reason. And now they're using a
Speaker 1: first round pick on a guard, a fourth round pick
Speaker 1: on a guard. The guard they're they're they're just going crazy,
Speaker 1: right because of a hole that they created wide receiver.
Speaker 1: They let Jacoby Myers walk, So then they have they
Speaker 1: have to pay Juju Smith Schuster because they let Jacoby
Speaker 1: Myers walk instead of just adding to Jacoby Meyers. We're
Speaker 1: constantly filling holes. And when you're constantly filling holes, your
Speaker 1: boat is constantly taking on water and you're just trying
Speaker 1: to plug the holes in the boat. And I feel
Speaker 1: like for this team getting rid of Matthew Judhon and
Speaker 1: let's you have a let's just say, the only way
Speaker 1: that I'm like sitting here saying, all right, I get
Speaker 1: it is if you have a whole new regime next
Speaker 1: year and we're completely blowing it out and we're we're
Speaker 1: truly starting from scratch, and we're saying to ourselves like,
Speaker 1: this is this is a rebuilt right three year project? Right,
Speaker 1: this is a three year projects?
Speaker 3: What good does cheote on?
Speaker 1: Do you during that? Fine? But I just feel like
Speaker 1: we're constantly chasing our tails at so many different positions,
Speaker 1: and they don't have the luxury at the top of
Speaker 1: the draft to do the year too early instead of a
Speaker 1: year too late thing, and and draft guys like that.
Speaker 1: And I feel like they did do that last year
Speaker 1: with Keon White, with Marty Mapu with City. So with
Speaker 1: all the light, those guys are all and it didn't
Speaker 1: help the team in the heid.
Speaker 3: I was a twenty twenty four draft. That draft was
Speaker 3: for twenty twenty four. So that's why I'm saying, like
Speaker 3: I just had this thought the other day when I
Speaker 3: was looking at chet on his contract, Like old school
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick, this is one hundred percent what he would do.
Speaker 3: I would bring that to Jude on back. I think
Speaker 3: he's a valuable voice in the locker room. I think
Speaker 3: he can still play. Yeah, you know, I'm not saying
Speaker 3: his injury wasn't serious, but like it's easy to come
Speaker 3: back from elbow injury and like you know, a knee injury,
Speaker 3: hip injury, back injury, something like that. So I bring
Speaker 3: him back. I would bring him back, and I'd actually
Speaker 3: give him new money. I wouldn't just move money this
Speaker 3: time to avoid the situation. But that is going to
Speaker 3: be a decision that has to be made here that's
Speaker 3: coming up. It's a fair point, all right, let's just
Speaker 3: sorry to bring it back like that would be. The
Speaker 3: free safety is the only true starting caliber need unless
Speaker 3: Jude on walks, then you add defensive end as well.
Speaker 1: Jeez. All right, let's do three up, three down real quick,
Speaker 1: and then we'll rapid fire through our rest of our
Speaker 1: list here. All right, I'll just like get out of those.
Speaker 1: I'll get it out of the way. Number one up
Speaker 1: is Christian Barmore. Christian Barmore. I've seen some really good
Speaker 1: defensive games from Patriots in my time covering the team
Speaker 1: since eighteen. You know, a couple of those Tefan Gilmour
Speaker 1: games in twenty nineteen is Defensive Player of the Year
Speaker 1: campaign come to mind. You know, he just absolutely erasing
Speaker 1: guys out of games and things like that. This was
Speaker 1: up there. To me, it was one of the best
Speaker 1: defensive performances I've ever seen in person, like with my
Speaker 1: own eyes. Right, I'm not talking about like Von Miller
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl in twenty fifteen, or like Lawrence
Speaker 1: Taylor in the eighties with the Giants, Like I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about that. I'm just saying in my time covering
Speaker 1: the team with my own eyes at the game, Christian
Speaker 1: bar Moore three sacks in the same quarter, two stuffs,
Speaker 1: I thought, the very first turnover on downs after the fumble,
Speaker 1: he basically took over the line of scrimmage for two
Speaker 1: straight plays and was the reason why the Broncos didn't
Speaker 1: score on that drive. Absolutely dominant, dominant performance. And I
Speaker 1: think we're at the point with Christian bar Moore where
Speaker 1: I think we can call him a star in this league.
Speaker 1: He is a star player. He's been doing it all
Speaker 1: year long, and he's gonna be a building block for
Speaker 1: this team moving forward. This is by far the most
Speaker 1: kind of exciting thing that's come from this season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is that they have a pillar, I believe on the
Speaker 1: defensive line with Christian.
Speaker 3: Bar He's finally healthy and he's playing super well and
Speaker 3: it's fun to see. And this is the guy you
Speaker 3: saw coming out of Alabama. Everybody was surprised he fell
Speaker 3: out of the first round. This is why, because the
Speaker 3: three down game wrecking ability was apparent, and he really
Speaker 3: wasn't healthy his first two years, and now he is
Speaker 3: and you're seeing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get his run defense has just improved dramatically.
Speaker 1: He's stronger, I think at the point of attack than
Speaker 1: he was before. I'm sure there's some technique things that
Speaker 1: he's fixed his health, but he he always had the
Speaker 1: explosiveness off like his get off and his lateral quickness
Speaker 1: and things like that. But now his ability to just
Speaker 1: like hold up blocks or run through blocks or that,
Speaker 1: just the power in his upper body. He has so
Speaker 1: much more pop in his hands than he did early
Speaker 1: on in his career. Just a dominant game wrecker. I
Speaker 1: would encourage all all Patriots fans to hashtag Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: vote Christian Barmore because he should be in the Pro Bowl,
Speaker 1: all right, Number two up for me. Gotta give it
Speaker 1: to him, Gotta give him his flowers. I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: it to Bailey Zappi. I thought Bailey Zappi didn't wasn't
Speaker 1: perfect in this game. The fumble in the very first
Speaker 1: play of the game. I maybe would put like half
Speaker 1: of that on him for holding the ball a little
Speaker 1: bit too long. But I also thought that a good
Speaker 1: offensive line allows him to come off the first raid
Speaker 1: and get to pop Douglas over the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: But they don't have that kind of time. Other than that, play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we can nitpick some of the miss throws that we
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier against the Blitzes, and you know, a couple
Speaker 1: of misses there. But when you put up these kinds
Speaker 1: of numbers and you play the way that he played,
Speaker 1: and then you also have you know, the plays late
Speaker 1: in the game to win the game. I thought, Bailey
Speaker 1: ZAPPI played one of the best quarterback games. You know,
Speaker 1: Mac Jones against Buffalo is still the best quarterback game
Speaker 1: of the year, but I thought that this might have
Speaker 1: been the second best quarterback game of the year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was. He was definitely good in this game.
Speaker 3: More good than bad, I think. Yeah, all right, who
Speaker 3: was your second Miles Bryant? Miss Bryant bailed him out
Speaker 3: in this game. And him playing competitively against Courtland Sutton
Speaker 3: was early before Sutton got hurt. Was good to see.
Speaker 3: And I just didn't leave the field, made number of
Speaker 3: big plays. I think, if there's a game to point too,
Speaker 3: where with my Bryan's value is to the Patriots, that
Speaker 3: was it put him anywhere, heady, instinctive exactly. He just
Speaker 3: always around the ball. I thought he was. He was excellent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his man coverage numbers are still terrible. Like I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna still can't cover anybody in man coverage.
Speaker 3: He's the same. I still think he's a safety. I
Speaker 3: still truly believe he's a safety.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's he's a nickel, but he's like a nickel safety.
Speaker 1: He's not a nickel corner, right, And there's a difference, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: nickel corners are guys that can man up slot receivers.
Speaker 1: He's not one of those guys. It's interesting because he's
Speaker 1: had a really good Patriots career and like kind of
Speaker 1: an upward ascension here with this is being I think
Speaker 1: his best year, but he really probably belongs in like
Speaker 1: his own defense. Like if you if he was playing
Speaker 1: in like a Seattle three system or like Fangio's like
Speaker 1: quarter to quarter half system, like he would be so
Speaker 1: much better. But because the Patriots play forty percent man coverage,
Speaker 1: like he just has to play some man to man
Speaker 1: and he's just not his strong suit. But he's a
Speaker 1: nickel safety and like a Fangio defense, and he'd be
Speaker 1: like really good at that, like somebody like Chauncey Gardner
Speaker 1: Johnson for example, or or along those lines. They just
Speaker 1: have they have to play him in this spot and
Speaker 1: it's not it's not exactly like his best natural position,
Speaker 1: and I think that's a big reason why he gets
Speaker 1: picked on in man cover.
Speaker 3: A little breaking news Patriots move practice and such.
Speaker 1: I love that. Thank god, I was not going out
Speaker 1: there all right. Third Star, I kind of combined two
Speaker 1: guys here, Pop Douglas and DeVante Parker. I thought both
Speaker 1: those guys made some really high level plays that we
Speaker 1: haven't really seen the Patriots receivers make. DeVante Parker, for
Speaker 1: all of his warts and all of his issues and
Speaker 1: all of his limitations as a separator, going and making
Speaker 1: two big catches on Patrick Sartan, one of the top
Speaker 1: five cornerback in this league, and doing it with the
Speaker 1: game on the line late that that's that's some pretty
Speaker 1: that's ballsy like that. That's some gutsy play right there.
Speaker 1: Bailey Zappi and him, I don't know if you want
Speaker 1: to call it. You know, they checked it, alerted it
Speaker 1: to that fade on the game winning drive with the
Speaker 1: game on the line, in a tie game on the road,
Speaker 1: and they checked to a fade to Devonte Parker against
Speaker 1: maybe the best cornerback in the NFL, and they make
Speaker 1: the play. You gotta give him their flowers for that
Speaker 1: like that. That was a really impressive play and even
Speaker 1: though he had the drop, I just think Pop Douglas
Speaker 1: is such a breadth of fresh air for this football team. Finally,
Speaker 1: a receiver that moves at a different speed than other guys,
Speaker 1: that's faster than people that can get open at the
Speaker 1: top of the route, the whip route, the slant. Obviously
Speaker 1: made a great catch on the forty one yard catch
Speaker 1: as well, But just having that slot receiver. He's a
Speaker 1: different type of slot than like a Jacobi certainly because
Speaker 1: of the size, but even then like an Edelman Ara Welker.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's mostly like a Dionne branch Ish
Speaker 1: type of player. But just watching a Patriots receiver be
Speaker 1: able to like run away from coverage and get open
Speaker 1: against mant to man, it's for he.
Speaker 3: Was really good in this game. He was and he
Speaker 3: continues to be. I've said this before, the Patriots offense
Speaker 3: needs to look different next year. What exactly it looks like,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, it depends on so many things,
Speaker 3: but whatever coach is designing it or whatever quarterbacks put
Speaker 3: into it, like there needs to be a role for
Speaker 3: Pop Dougas in a significant role. He's the best receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I mean he's their leading receiver right now. Nobody
Speaker 3: has more catches of the yards and overall, like ahead
Speaker 3: of Hunter Henry, ahead of everybody.
Speaker 1: All Right, you got anymore?
Speaker 3: I got two more? Mac Wilson another very good game.
Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting on Tuesday that Girod Mayo
Speaker 3: basically said that they misused him last year, that they
Speaker 3: were playing him out of position last year, and he's
Speaker 3: playing some of the best football of his NFL career
Speaker 3: looking like the guy he did at Alabama as a
Speaker 3: complimentary pass rusher. He's a guy I wonder if you
Speaker 3: expand that role next year, if Josh j doesn't come
Speaker 3: back and he becomes that guy opposite Matthew Judah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he is it even discount I mean, he looks really
Speaker 3: good right now.
Speaker 1: So he hasn't played enough snaps, all right, but he's
Speaker 1: only playing like twenty five snaps a game or something
Speaker 1: like that. He's just making the most of the snaps.
Speaker 3: That he's a guy that should be back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's not. He's going to be affordable, Like,
Speaker 1: it's not like it's gonna cost you a ton of money.
Speaker 3: And then so I didn't have Pop Douglas because I
Speaker 3: just I think you saw great stuff from the majority
Speaker 3: of rookie class in this game. I think you saw
Speaker 3: the rookie class really start to come on. Keon White
Speaker 3: has had like three good games in a row now,
Speaker 3: and I think, remember get a really good camp. Was
Speaker 3: good the first couple of weeks. He got that concussion, right,
Speaker 3: I think it probably took him a little bit of
Speaker 3: time toward his way back from that. But he looks
Speaker 3: fully healthy out. He's playing super well. Marte Mapu forces
Speaker 3: a turnover for the second week in a row. You
Speaker 3: love to see that. And he's playing more linebacker now,
Speaker 3: which is good.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Obviously, Pop Douglas, you know, had a big game. I
Speaker 3: thought City So played pretty well. Yeah, Antonio Maffi stepping
Speaker 3: in for his you know, the most significant snaps he's
Speaker 3: had in a while. He could have been better, but
Speaker 3: like he was, it wasn't as bad as it looked.
Speaker 3: I'd say a month, Oh you have him as down.
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, I maybe the bar was set solow
Speaker 3: from like last time he played. But yeah, and then
Speaker 3: he Bryce Baringer I thought had a really good game too.
Speaker 3: Ryland was kind of up and down. But I think
Speaker 3: for the most point.
Speaker 1: Oh, come on, how about Chad the show I've ever heard?
Speaker 3: But he missed, he missed, he missed two kicks. So
Speaker 3: he's not an up or down for me. He's it's
Speaker 3: in between.
Speaker 1: But I think I'm happy.
Speaker 3: I'm happy for Oh no, no, you're wrong, I'm happy for
Speaker 3: the guy.
Speaker 1: But and Bryce Behinger saying how about Chad.
Speaker 3: That's a great clip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they the two of them together, it reminds me
Speaker 1: a ton of Jeremy Swamon and Linas Olmark. There's a
Speaker 1: little bit of that, just like two like nut jobs
Speaker 1: that like are just made for each other. It's just great.
Speaker 1: I think those two guys who knows, like what what
Speaker 1: the future holds and if both of them are going
Speaker 1: to succeed here. Both of them aren't like whatever, but
Speaker 1: their relationship is pretty funny, Like they're like just two
Speaker 1: peas in a pod.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think you saw great stuff from the
Speaker 3: rookie class.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that. All right, let's go
Speaker 1: to the downs. My number one down is the guy
Speaker 1: that you just said, wasn't that bad? Antonio Maffi offensive
Speaker 1: line guy, Antonio Maffi three holds, a quarterback hit and
Speaker 1: three hurries in this game he.
Speaker 3: Called for three holds.
Speaker 1: I put, Oh yeah, I put Antonio Maffi and James
Speaker 1: Ferrence in just a left guard puzzle.
Speaker 3: So I had James Ferrence.
Speaker 1: They're just in the left guard puzzle for me. And
Speaker 1: it is very I don't know if it's like a
Speaker 1: good thing, a bad thing, an alarming thing. I don't
Speaker 1: know how to feel about it. But the fact that
Speaker 1: that there was that steep of a drop off from
Speaker 1: Cole Strange to what they have behind Cole Strange, I
Speaker 1: think just speaks to the whole problem in general with
Speaker 1: the team right now. That like losing Cole Strange and
Speaker 1: losing Connor McDermott was like this huge travesty for the Patriots,
Speaker 1: right And we're not exactly talking about Matt Ltton logan
Speaker 1: makings here, okay, And the fact that that was the
Speaker 1: case was troubling. There was and maybe it means that
Speaker 1: Cole Strange, you know, I started giving cole Strange some love,
Speaker 1: like a couple of good games in a row. Seemed
Speaker 1: to be playing better before he got hurt. Maybe cole
Speaker 1: Strange was starting to turn a corner. And that's why
Speaker 1: my eyes are like so alarmed by what I saw
Speaker 1: left guard with these two guys. The strip sack on
Speaker 1: the first play of the game was the least competitive
Speaker 1: snap of offensive line play I've seen all Yeah, from
Speaker 1: James ference just absolutely brutal. And then Mafi, Mafi's just
Speaker 1: not ready, Like Mafi's just not ready his foot speed,
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to lose some weight and he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to get it. He's gonna have to improve his
Speaker 1: quickness and his foot speed in order to play in
Speaker 1: the league. So those two guys at left guard. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's a positive that Cole Strange is better than we thought.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a negative that their offensive line depth is
Speaker 1: so bad. But both of them were bad in this game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just had to like to run the run game. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they ran for outside of the end a round. I
Speaker 3: think it was to here somewhere two point five yards
Speaker 3: per carry against a team that was last in the
Speaker 3: legs over five yards per carry.
Speaker 1: So I think we're in the in the category now though,
Speaker 1: because the Chiefs were not a good run defense either,
Speaker 1: and they couldn't run the ball. They couldn't run the
Speaker 1: ball against the worst run defense in the league in
Speaker 1: the in the Broncos. I think we're just at the
Speaker 1: category or at the point now where the Patriots are
Speaker 1: in that category of priority Number one for every team
Speaker 1: is we're.
Speaker 3: Not stopped to run. Yeah, they're just they're loading up
Speaker 3: in the box and Derek.
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm basically just throwing out like opponents
Speaker 1: like run stats, like where they rank and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: because I don't think it's an apples to apples when
Speaker 1: they play play the Patriots, like Zeke Elliott is not
Speaker 1: beating the Denver Broncos. Like That's Vance Joseph's line when
Speaker 1: he opens the meeting, right is, we're not going to
Speaker 1: just let them turn the ball, you know, turn around
Speaker 1: and hand the ball off to Zeke. Like, we're not
Speaker 1: going to let them do that. So you had you
Speaker 1: had run game? Yeah, okay. Number two, Trent Brown, I
Speaker 1: just I I think we can seriously say, and I
Speaker 1: know I've ragged on him a lot on this show,
Speaker 1: but I'm at the point now with Trent Brown where
Speaker 1: I like he should be done as a Patriot, Like
Speaker 1: he shouldn't play again as a Patriot. A quarterback hit
Speaker 1: a hurry, two stuffed runs to his side of the field,
Speaker 1: gave up on the Taekwon Thornton jet sweep, just flat
Speaker 1: out gave up, didn't play through the whistle. If Dante
Speaker 1: Scarnecia was still here, I can only imagine Dante Scarnekia.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think Trent Brown would be playing with still.
Speaker 1: It's his effort has gone way down. I think his
Speaker 1: weight has gone up again. Like I don't think he's
Speaker 1: you know, as in good as shape as he was
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the year. He is a good
Speaker 1: left tackle, a starting caliber left tackle in this league
Speaker 1: when he's locked in, but he he's a mental case,
Speaker 1: like you just you can't keep that guy on on
Speaker 1: the on the bandwagon. Yeah, and at a four and
Speaker 1: eleven team, he's exactly the type of guy that's gonna
Speaker 1: jump off and and that's exactly what happens. They just
Speaker 1: need to move on from that type of player with
Speaker 1: that type of attitude, and they need to have somebody
Speaker 1: like at this point, it's I'm almost like bummed out
Speaker 1: that Connor mcdermot's on IR because, like I would rather
Speaker 1: just see Connor McDermott try his ass off for seventy
Speaker 1: plays then continue to put Trent Brown.
Speaker 3: Maybe you'll get that from Vederian Love maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I would just rather see that, Like at
Speaker 1: least the guy's giving all out effort. At least he's trying.
Speaker 1: Trent Brown is my second death?
Speaker 3: You got, uh Brennan school or Chris Board?
Speaker 1: Oh there just third down?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well my third down you're gonna roll your
Speaker 3: eyes at. But another mistackle for Brennan' Schooler on the
Speaker 3: big punt return Chris Board just a bizarre penalty running
Speaker 3: out of bounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh, They're still not good at kit coverage is still
Speaker 3: an issue. The kick coverage is still a massive issue,
Speaker 3: and that's a group that needs to be get ready. People.
Speaker 3: They're gonna have to sign special teams this offseason because
Speaker 3: the ones they have now aren't good enough. So I
Speaker 3: actually kind of want them. It's not their main priority,
Speaker 3: and it shouldn't be the only thing they do, but
Speaker 3: they need to get some kick coverage guys in here,
Speaker 3: because they're seriously struggling in that regard right now. And
Speaker 3: I just I don't see Matthew Slater coming back at
Speaker 3: this point.
Speaker 1: So the problem is is that these are They're not
Speaker 1: just struggling within the margins. These are like backbreaking issues,
Speaker 1: Like a fifty two yard punt return is a big
Speaker 1: deal in a game. Chris Board's penalty cost them what
Speaker 1: nineteen yards of field position? That's a big deal. Like
Speaker 1: those are yards that really matter and field position that
Speaker 1: really matters. I had them too as my third down.
Speaker 1: And you know, if I had special teams guys on
Speaker 1: my down list, then it's got to be really bad.
Speaker 1: Chris Board signed to be a special team's ace. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've only heard his name called when he's when he's
Speaker 1: getting called for a penalty all year long. And I
Speaker 1: want to seriously ask you, as the special teams guy
Speaker 1: on the program, what do they do with Brandon Schooler?
Speaker 1: Because he was this like Matthew Slater heir apparent right,
Speaker 1: He's had a horrible year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a guy I think that has to win
Speaker 3: his job in camp next year and win his job
Speaker 3: in the preseason. It's that simple. I'm not you know,
Speaker 3: he's not a roster lock next year. If we were
Speaker 3: to do Ross Projess twenty twenty four, I probably wouldn't
Speaker 3: have him on the right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean penalties a mistackle, and I'll say, if
Speaker 1: it's a new coaching staff, he's gone.
Speaker 3: He's I just don't see a keep around.
Speaker 1: I think that his biggest problem right now is just
Speaker 1: undisciplined play. Like he he plays fast and you want
Speaker 1: him to play he plays too fast.
Speaker 3: He needs to stop and think about what he's like
Speaker 3: in cam Acord kind of talked about it. It's just
Speaker 3: like we like the high motor, but it has to
Speaker 3: be in control. He just plays totally out of control.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and in that it's on special teams. Playing
Speaker 1: that out of control is really bad because that's how
Speaker 1: you're giving up fifty two yards.
Speaker 3: It's all contained, it's all you can't blow contain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, who's your last one?
Speaker 3: Sean Payton? I actually lost respect for Sean Payton too
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 1: And I kind of said it last week when we
Speaker 1: were talking about this game that I just on film.
Speaker 1: I just wasn't overly impressed with the offense that they
Speaker 1: were running.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not talking about anything scommatically.
Speaker 1: I get at their offense is pre no, but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, like he's supposed to be this, yeah, this,
Speaker 1: like he's held to that that Belichick mystique of offensive mine,
Speaker 1: and they're just like running this like boring dinosaur offense.
Speaker 1: And then I'm sure you have your like in game reasons.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, this is closet you break down the scheme,
Speaker 3: and then I get all annoyed because, all right, first off,
Speaker 3: first and goal from the six, you're gifted a possession. Yeah,
Speaker 3: one offensive genius Sean Payton just score a touchdown in
Speaker 3: three plays. Yeah, but when he didn't, you take the points, dude,
Speaker 3: You take the points to take three position.
Speaker 1: You know the nerds aren't taking the points.
Speaker 3: You take the points. All right, we'll get to that.
Speaker 3: We were we were gonna get to the nerds. Oh
Speaker 3: don't you worry.
Speaker 1: We were gonna get to We couldn't do a show
Speaker 1: without ragging on the nerds. It's not possible.
Speaker 3: Late in game, bron Patriots tie the game up, or sorry,
Speaker 3: broncus ty the game up. Forced Patriots punt. They get
Speaker 3: the ball back one forty two to go start at
Speaker 3: their own thirty nine. You need to go thirty yards
Speaker 3: for field goal position, like not a massive ask one
Speaker 3: for two to go, three timeouts. You're it's right in
Speaker 3: your lap and they come out with the most overly
Speaker 3: conservative offensive sequence of play calling. That screen that was
Speaker 3: I don't know who designed that screen fire them like Peyton.
Speaker 3: That was brutal. That was absolutely brutal.
Speaker 1: They just sound on it like nothing more than just
Speaker 1: trashing on coaches that he doesn't like, Like nobody exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm a big Sean Payge, like Brandon Staley anymore. We're
Speaker 1: gonna get to Brandon Sae, get to Brandon Staley, don't
Speaker 1: you worry.
Speaker 3: But and I like Sean Payton, I I like Chempayne.
Speaker 3: I always like those Saints teams. Like it hurts me
Speaker 3: to do this, but I have to be consistent. They
Speaker 3: come out, I mean, am I wrong with the most
Speaker 3: overly conservative when you just have to go thirty yards
Speaker 3: or three timeouts? They're running the ball, they're throwing screens, nothing,
Speaker 3: they punt the ball away and then the Patriots are
Speaker 3: content to go to overtime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Patriot.
Speaker 3: And in that moment, there's a little less than a
Speaker 3: minute ago, patrins only one time out. Patriots run the
Speaker 3: ball and they start calling timeouts in that moment and
Speaker 3: lets get out. Patriots have nothing to lose, nothing loose.
Speaker 3: Brutal Patriots have nothing to lose to broncras of everything
Speaker 3: to lose, and the Patriots are the only team that
Speaker 3: can win the game in that spot. They're comfortable going
Speaker 3: to overtime. Sean Payton says, no, no, we're gonna call
Speaker 3: time out. It would be one thing if like the
Speaker 3: offense is humming and you want the ball back because
Speaker 3: you can go down the field. Sean, you just had
Speaker 3: a chance to win the game. You sat on it.
Speaker 3: That was your shot. You don't start calling timeouts now.
Speaker 3: So he calls two timeouts. Patriots are like, all right, fine,
Speaker 3: I guess if you want us to win the game.
Speaker 3: Boom fade shot to DeVante Parker, which is great play
Speaker 3: by Parker, and Zappy to Reckon, they go sorry, they
Speaker 3: go press man. They go press man on.
Speaker 1: Third and five. Joseph in the time of his life.
Speaker 3: I mean, they go press man on third and five,
Speaker 3: trying to get the game to go in overtime, and
Speaker 3: Bailey's Appy sees that, like, I guess you can't. And
Speaker 3: it's a good throat. It's a good catch, but like
Speaker 3: hand the game to them schematically anymore than that finally
Speaker 3: gets down the field. You have a kicker who is
Speaker 3: shaking in his boots having to kick fifty six yards
Speaker 3: on the road. Sean Payton doesn't call the timeouts ice
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, but to call the time them out
Speaker 3: here here's the overarching point. The Patriots are the only
Speaker 3: team that could win the game in regulation after the
Speaker 3: Broncos punted. The Broncos gave up their chance to do
Speaker 3: that with that overly conservative offensive sequence, and Sean Payton
Speaker 3: calls timeouts with the playoffs on the line to give
Speaker 3: the Patriots a chance to win the game and essentially
Speaker 3: knock the Broncos out of out of playoff contention. You
Speaker 3: know what that reminded me a ton of Evan and
Speaker 3: I said it the second he called the first time out.
Speaker 3: Brandon Staley in twenty twenty one in the overtime, b
Speaker 3: you you just okay? Do you remember I can't even
Speaker 3: get mad? Do you remember when Brandon Staley did in
Speaker 3: that game? The Raiders are the only team that can
Speaker 3: win the game. They're in overtime. A tie sends them
Speaker 3: both to the playoffs, but if team.
Speaker 1: Wins job anymore team wins shots.
Speaker 3: If one team wins, the Steelers get the other spot.
Speaker 3: The Raiders are Sachi is ready to go to overtime,
Speaker 3: and he's sitting there saying, hey, we're both gonna go
Speaker 3: to the playoffs. This is pretty cool. And Brandon Staley,
Speaker 3: that idiot starts calling timeouts and the Raiders like, fine,
Speaker 3: if you're gonna give us another first down and we'll
Speaker 3: be in field goal range, I guess we can win
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 1: It was somewhere Brandon Staley is like sitting on a
Speaker 1: beach and he's just like still trying to all time out, still.
Speaker 3: Not defending a run game. It was a Brandon Staley
Speaker 3: esque performance from Sean Payton. It kills me to say that,
Speaker 3: because he is a coach I do like a lot,
Speaker 3: but I respect him less after that game because that
Speaker 3: was to call those times out. I'm like, I'm sitting
Speaker 3: there literally yelling what are you doing? And my brother's like,
Speaker 3: he wants the ball. I'm watching him, and my brother
Speaker 3: goes he wants the ball back. I'm like, why why?
Speaker 3: He just they just punted on the game with that
Speaker 3: series support. So it's like he realized all of a sudden, oh, shoot,
Speaker 3: we can still win this. We need to get the
Speaker 3: ball back. Brutal, brutal stuff from Sean Payton in his wheelhouse.
Speaker 1: I I thought that that Bill Belichick and Drod May
Speaker 1: and Steve uh just coach circles.
Speaker 3: Around here, circles. They needed to get one of those
Speaker 3: heavy duty washing machines to clear the circles off the
Speaker 3: turf out of power field. The way they were coaching
Speaker 3: circles around.
Speaker 1: It was bad. They So the Saint are the Saints.
Speaker 1: The Broncos had those like toss plays early, right, and
Speaker 1: they're running toss and I actually was like, all right,
Speaker 1: Like that's a pretty good approach here in the game plan,
Speaker 1: because you don't want to run right at the Patriots
Speaker 1: run defense. You're not going to write Anthony Jennings Devon Godshow,
Speaker 1: bar More Bentley, like good luck trying to run between
Speaker 1: the tackles against the Patriots right now. So what do
Speaker 1: they do. They put the DB's in the fit, They
Speaker 1: toss the ball outside and they make Miles Bryant and
Speaker 1: Sean Waite and those guys tackle people. Fine, good game plan.
Speaker 1: That was literally all they had. That was it. They
Speaker 1: had nothing else. And Bill and Steve and Girod are
Speaker 1: running sim pressures right. They're putting six seven guys up
Speaker 1: with the line of scrimmage and they're dropping guys out,
Speaker 1: Russian guys, and Russell Wilson looked like his head was spinning. Look,
Speaker 1: we just Donald out there, and I'm just thinking to myself,
Speaker 1: isn't this is offensive guru Sean Pailey. And usually when
Speaker 1: offensive guys like that take a year off, they like
Speaker 1: go in the lab, right like they they go and
Speaker 1: they go on like a little tour and they go.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay and
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel and you know, all these offensive gurus Andy Reid,
Speaker 1: and they like learn stuff. They they absorb.
Speaker 3: Sean McVay just went to Brandon Staley School of clock management.
Speaker 1: They absorbed like like new things, new wrinkles for their offense.
Speaker 1: And Sean Payton's running the same offense he ran ten
Speaker 1: years ago in New Orleans. And we sit here and
Speaker 1: we always say that like Belichick, you know, it was Brady,
Speaker 1: It was Brady, was Brady. It was Drew brees Like
Speaker 1: we can finally put that one to bed, like it
Speaker 1: was Drew Breesert and that was it. All right, let's
Speaker 1: before we wrap up here. We got two more phone
Speaker 1: calls and we're gonna go really quickly on some of
Speaker 1: these other things we want to talk about. Nicody is
Speaker 1: in West Virginia. What's up, Niccody?
Speaker 4: Hey, guys doing good.
Speaker 6: I just want to get your opinion on this defensive
Speaker 6: lineup for next year since we need to focus more
Speaker 6: on the offense. Say, Isaiah Bolden, you know, makes a
Speaker 6: good impact before the season starts, and he's the second
Speaker 6: outside corner, and obviously have Marcus Jones.
Speaker 4: That's plot.
Speaker 6: What could we move John Jones back to free safety,
Speaker 6: have freestigned Kyle Dugar and keep him at strong safety,
Speaker 6: and then maybe move Peppers to linebacker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for the call to Cody. So I actually
Speaker 1: think that John Jones at free safety is not like
Speaker 1: a terrible idea. I know I've heard this one before.
Speaker 1: He's got the speed, all that kind of stuff, but
Speaker 1: he's been their best corner.
Speaker 3: If they were gonna do what they would have done
Speaker 3: it by now.
Speaker 1: He's also just like he's a really good corner and
Speaker 1: he's been playing through a knee injury this year and
Speaker 1: he's still put been really really good. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't really feel the need to
Speaker 1: do it. I guess is why where I'm at with it.
Speaker 3: I would say keep the defensive lineup as similar to
Speaker 3: it as this year. I would swap out Kyle Duggart
Speaker 3: for a true free safety, add in another depth corner
Speaker 3: that you didn't get with Jack Jones and J. C.
Speaker 3: Jackson was supposed to be that third boundary corner, and
Speaker 3: you'll get Christianzalez back so him John Jones player to
Speaker 3: be named later, And then you're gonna need like one
Speaker 3: or two rotational edge rushers not top of the depth
Speaker 3: chart guys. Assuming you bring Jude On back, get Anthony
Speaker 3: Jennings back in here, get Tabrill Peppers locked up, get
Speaker 3: Christian Barmore locked up.
Speaker 1: And you're good to go. Like I, you don't need
Speaker 1: to touch a lot on defense. I do think you
Speaker 1: know we're gonna talk about the Jason mccordy of it all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna, you know, keep pounding that that
Speaker 1: that that third boundary corner that can play a pretty
Speaker 1: significant role. They they still have not figured that out.
Speaker 1: And they're gonna have John Jones. Christian Gonzales obviously gonna
Speaker 1: be your number one boundary corner. You're gonna have John Jones,
Speaker 1: Mark Jones, and I think they'll if it's this regime,
Speaker 1: is Myles Bryant will be.
Speaker 3: Right well, just on the boundary corner, like to the
Speaker 3: college point. Maybe it is Isaiah Yeah, maybe that guy
Speaker 3: has in the building camp before. Yeah, And honestly, Marco
Speaker 3: Wilson's gonna be under We didn't talk about Marco Wilson
Speaker 3: signed yesterday. He had a good year last year. He
Speaker 3: has not been good this year at all. But maybe
Speaker 3: he you know, I think right now it's him and
Speaker 3: Isaiah Boulden and camp for that third boundary corner role.
Speaker 3: And maybe he use like a fourth round pick on
Speaker 3: a guy, maybe bring in a veteran, and it's those
Speaker 3: four competing for one or.
Speaker 1: Two spots they they are starving for. You know, obviously
Speaker 1: it was supposed to be Jack Jones, right, but like
Speaker 1: that fourth round corner that's just like a functioning outside
Speaker 1: boundary guy, Like that's exactly what they need. And it
Speaker 1: should have been Jack Jones. It wasn't, but that that
Speaker 1: type of guy just without the baggage that I've.
Speaker 3: Got a guy that's interesting. If we get to the
Speaker 3: college football playoffs.
Speaker 1: Okay, Dre is in North Carolina, what's up? Dre Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: you'll hear me.
Speaker 5: Yes, So I was just calling.
Speaker 4: I don't want to her to show.
Speaker 5: How it ends, but I was just talking about if
Speaker 5: we sit with the fourth pig, which.
Speaker 4: I'll want to possibly trade up to try and get
Speaker 4: a quarterback, or y'all just with any where y'all are,
Speaker 4: I'll take it off. I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 1: Thanks raight. So I all with with with trading up.
Speaker 1: It's always the same conversation with like what are you
Speaker 1: giving up? Right?
Speaker 3: Right? And what are you giving up?
Speaker 1: And who?
Speaker 3: Like do you believe that guy?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Right? My concern and I'm kind of just from
Speaker 1: a because those details are hard to iron out, especially
Speaker 1: on December twenty eight, is like maybe once we get
Speaker 1: closer it will be easier. I have reservations about trading
Speaker 1: up because I think that you're you need a lot
Speaker 1: of pieces on this roster, and if you're starting to
Speaker 1: give up like a King's ransom to move up in
Speaker 1: the draft to take the quarterback. Yes, ideally he's Andrew
Speaker 1: Luck and he and he makes you an eleven win
Speaker 1: team coming out, you know, rolling out of bed just
Speaker 1: because you have the quarterback. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I look at the Carolina Panthers and I I I
Speaker 1: that's I am fearful of that.
Speaker 3: The Panthers gave up too much.
Speaker 1: So the Panthers game up a time because they went
Speaker 1: all the way from eight to one.
Speaker 3: Right, So that's part of it. Like we're I move
Speaker 3: if it's differ between getting Jane Daniels, I move up
Speaker 3: from four to three, because you're talking about probably two
Speaker 3: third round picks to get from four to three. Like
Speaker 3: that's fine. I'm not moving up from four to one.
Speaker 3: I don't think they need of ford to one. I'm
Speaker 3: not moving up for four to one. I'll go like
Speaker 3: four to three, five to three if it means getting
Speaker 3: Jade Daniels. But yeah, I'm not doing the Panthers package
Speaker 3: because that was just stupid.
Speaker 1: Right, And now you're in a position where you're kind
Speaker 1: of fifty to fifty on Bryce Young. I would say
Speaker 1: after his rookie year, I'm still not out on Bryce Young.
Speaker 1: I think that like he still has a chance to
Speaker 1: be good. But you're you're a little bit concerned. You
Speaker 1: have to admit, like if you're a parent.
Speaker 3: So I think the thing to remember too, And this
Speaker 3: is also part of the reason why to people who say,
Speaker 3: draft Marvin Harrison, draft to tackle, like, build it all
Speaker 3: up and you'll go get the quarterback next year. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that scares the crap out of me because there are
Speaker 3: the way talent's being turned down college. There's gonna be
Speaker 3: good wide receivers every year. There's gonna be good legit
Speaker 3: wiers you were telling every year tackle. Some of the
Speaker 3: class have been thin, but generally you have two or
Speaker 3: three guys at the top of the board that are
Speaker 3: pretty good. You're not guaranteed to have a legitimate quarterback
Speaker 3: class every year next year unless you're gonna get one
Speaker 3: one and we want to go through another season like
Speaker 3: we just did. Yeah, and get your Sanders ooh next year? Scary?
Speaker 3: Next year? Is scare Reka?
Speaker 1: Well maybe maybe Quen yours.
Speaker 3: Maybe all right, So that's two guys, so you've got
Speaker 3: to have a top three pick again. So you're right
Speaker 3: where you are. Now, why not just take the guy?
Speaker 3: Now you look at last year's last year's class, right,
Speaker 3: Bailey's happy might be the second best quarterback in that class.
Speaker 3: I mean Brock, right, that's what I'm talking about. Brock
Speaker 3: parties number one, obviously, but he was the when you
Speaker 3: have the offense that the Niners have, you can take
Speaker 3: your quarterback in the seventh round. Show me when the
Speaker 3: Patriots have that offense and I'll say, okay, they can
Speaker 3: wait till Saturday. Quarterback.
Speaker 1: I worry about being the Panthers. And so that's the
Speaker 1: Panthers is like, now they have no assets to add
Speaker 1: their Brice Young because they traded them all for Bryce Young,
Speaker 1: and now they have a t that has no talent.
Speaker 1: They have no first round pick.
Speaker 3: I think it runs deeper in that because at the
Speaker 3: time people said the Chiefs gave up too much to
Speaker 3: get Patrick Mahomes to move up to get Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3: Nobody talks about that anymore, well, nor should they. So
Speaker 3: my point is the decision to move up is only
Speaker 3: as good as the player. And this is what I
Speaker 3: was getting to. Albert Breer had this report last week
Speaker 3: on the Sports Up that yeah, he talked to some
Speaker 3: gms and basically, since twenty twenty one, put all the
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the same class, who goes where? And he
Speaker 3: said Trevor Lawrence still goes one one, which I think
Speaker 3: is true. Caleb Williams goes second, Drake Mago's third above
Speaker 3: like ahead of c J. Stroud as prospects, ahead of
Speaker 3: c J. Stroud, ahead of Bryce Young, ahead of Kenny Pick,
Speaker 3: ahead of all the name. Caleb Williams goes one, No, no, no,
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence goes one. Oh, we're going all the way
Speaker 3: back to twenty one to twenty one, So Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 3: goes one. Yeah, Caleb Williams goes two. Drake Mago's three.
Speaker 3: I think it's probably between Jade and Daniels and Justin
Speaker 3: Fields for four. So the point being, okay.
Speaker 1: I would never no, no, who I would probably Caleb, Trevor, Caleb,
Speaker 1: Drake May, and who's the fourth guy? So that's where
Speaker 1: I would probably I would probably put CJ straight ahead
Speaker 1: of Drake May.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, so all right, let me the point basically being, right,
Speaker 3: the Jaden Daniels is going to be the third quarterback
Speaker 3: in this draft next year. He's won one, no question right, right,
Speaker 3: So you have a chance to get a better quarterback
Speaker 3: now than you're going to next year. So just take
Speaker 3: like there's going to be Joe Altz in next year's class.
Speaker 3: Maybe there's not a Marvin Harrison, but there's gonna be
Speaker 3: roma Dune Day Milik neighbor. Next year's wide receiver class
Speaker 3: looks might be better in this one.
Speaker 1: You know, I hate when you beat this, I know it.
Speaker 1: But but what next year's wide receiver class is unstoppable,
Speaker 1: then all of them end up stinking in the foot.
Speaker 3: But but here's my point. Here's my point. Quarterback has
Speaker 3: more variance than any quarterback has. If you can get
Speaker 3: the guy, you get the guy. Because next year's quarterback,
Speaker 3: there's always one last year's wide receiver classman and normally
Speaker 3: there's always one or two blue chip wide receivers. There's
Speaker 3: always one or two blue chip tackles. Okay, you're not
Speaker 3: guaranteed a blue chip quarterback.
Speaker 1: I'm going to just segue into this for you because
Speaker 1: you asked me to bring up the college football playoff
Speaker 1: really quickly. Though, Before we get to the college football playoff,
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about the Bills or this Bills game
Speaker 1: for even one second, which sucks because the Bills are
Speaker 1: bad two minutes on this Yeah, what are you looking
Speaker 1: for out of this game? And like, if you really
Speaker 1: want to take your victory lap on the Bills who
Speaker 1: won three straight and four out of their last five,
Speaker 1: and nobody.
Speaker 3: They barely beat the Chargers and.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to play them in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: They won't be there. Now they're gonna be there. They're
Speaker 3: gonna win the division.
Speaker 1: I I don't want the Bills to win the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I don't they're going to win the division, but I
Speaker 1: do kind of hope the Bills win a few playoff
Speaker 1: games just to irk you. Yeah, just a pissy the division?
Speaker 1: What are you looking for on Sunday?
Speaker 3: So I want to see, you know, Barmore versus Josh
Speaker 3: Allen's a great matchup. Like, you know, he's kind of
Speaker 3: looking like do the Patriots ever freak to counter the freak? Right,
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. I want to see bar More
Speaker 3: against Josh Allen. I think that'll be a super fun matchup.
Speaker 3: And then just I think in the last game the
Speaker 3: defense played well, but they got off the hook because
Speaker 3: the Bills are kind of dropping some passes and things
Speaker 3: like that. I so a big part of the Bill's
Speaker 3: resurgence has been they've taken the ball out of Josh
Speaker 3: Allen's hands. They run the ball. You know, who would
Speaker 3: have thought that would improve?
Speaker 1: So there are more balanced and there's less pressure on
Speaker 1: him to be Superman and he's playing better.
Speaker 3: Well because he's not Superman. They were asking him to
Speaker 3: do more than he could do because he's not as
Speaker 3: good as so many people thought he was. No, the
Speaker 3: whole point, that's the whole point.
Speaker 1: The point is that nobody if he told her all
Speaker 1: that he had to be.
Speaker 3: There, all right, But I was being told that he could.
Speaker 3: I had to run around. I was I was told,
Speaker 3: I was told, you run the offense like that when
Speaker 3: you have a guy like Josh Allen because he's that good.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, he wasn't. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Who they put they had their offense with Ken Dorsey
Speaker 1: was vanilla, it was stale they had they used no.
Speaker 3: I was told, I was they had to put the
Speaker 3: ball in Josh Allen's hands that much because he was
Speaker 3: that good, and they had to take advance.
Speaker 1: So like, it's not it's not like they're running ball
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the time.
Speaker 3: They're running in lot more. I think the Patriots neutralize that.
Speaker 3: So I think the game is put back in Josh
Speaker 3: Allen's hands to win. I think is gonna be the
Speaker 3: first time in a few weeks we see Josh Allen
Speaker 3: really have to go out and single handedly win the game. Again.
Speaker 1: That's to me is as much as like the Bailey's
Speaker 1: apt of it all is still there. I think to me,
Speaker 1: the one thing that's gonna be consistent is that which
Speaker 1: whoever's that quarterback next year for the Patriots is gonna
Speaker 1: have to be Josh Allen, Right, Like you're gonna have
Speaker 1: the division. I still think even though the Dolphins are
Speaker 1: are gonna probably win the division this year, Buffalo is
Speaker 1: still going to be a team that they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to beat get to make it back to the Promised
Speaker 1: Land for some reason. And I still feel like Bill
Speaker 1: versus Josh Allen and they had a really good plan
Speaker 1: I thought the first time around against him, to blitz
Speaker 1: him and come after him a little bit more and
Speaker 1: speed him up and make him play out of control
Speaker 1: and things like that, Like do they have that in
Speaker 1: them again? Because if Bill can still find some some
Speaker 1: kryptonite to Superman, he doesn't solve the Dolphins offense, so
Speaker 1: that that's a whole separate But if he can solve
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, and they have like two good game plans
Speaker 1: and could two good defensive performances. Whether it's Bill, whether
Speaker 1: it's Girod, like whoever is in charge next year of
Speaker 1: the defense, I think that that that's a really big
Speaker 1: thing for this team moving forward if they can still.
Speaker 3: So that's that's kind of a lot of it's on
Speaker 3: Josh Allen, honestly, like how does he in the offense
Speaker 3: respond to kind of getting knocked around by building that
Speaker 3: defense in the first game?
Speaker 1: Do they do some different things?
Speaker 3: And obviously they will have a new offense coordinator, but
Speaker 3: like what does that look like to counter? And then
Speaker 3: I mean it's pretty much all with the papers events,
Speaker 3: but on offense, just like Bailey's appis continued development. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just looking forward to seeing what they do
Speaker 1: this time around defensively against Allen, because they they went
Speaker 1: for about two years there they were all coverage game plan, right, like,
Speaker 1: they we're gonna drop seven eight guys in coverage and
Speaker 1: we're gonna make him sit in the pocket and beat us,
Speaker 1: you know, throwing the ball, and we're not gonna let
Speaker 1: him play playground football. But the problem was is that
Speaker 1: they weren't getting any pressure on him and he was
Speaker 1: just standing there making throws and that's not good either.
Speaker 1: So this time they kind of split the atom a
Speaker 1: little bit and we're able to come after him but
Speaker 1: contain pressure. And I thought that, you know, they did
Speaker 1: a really good job in week seven of defending him.
Speaker 1: Now they made some plays and Buffalo ended up making
Speaker 1: some plays late, especially in that fourth quarter when they
Speaker 1: came back, But in general, I thought that they that
Speaker 1: was their best game plan against Josh Allen since he's
Speaker 1: turned into Josh Allen, like you know, not talking about
Speaker 1: like his rookie year or something like that. So that
Speaker 1: that was. That's the Bills College football playoff. You have
Speaker 1: like four minutes, so I'm just gonna I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: give you all right.
Speaker 3: My picks are Alabama and Washington, okay, and then Alabama
Speaker 3: in the in the championship. Yeah, although I think I
Speaker 3: think Alabama winning it all. Yes, I think Alabama rolls Michigan.
Speaker 3: I think J. J. McCarthy gets exposed in that game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of.
Speaker 3: You can't run the ball in Alabama like they have
Speaker 3: on other teams. They can't be that reliant. I think
Speaker 3: Washington and Texas probably score one hundred combined points, maybe
Speaker 3: a hunter ten. I just I think Michael Pennick's got
Speaker 3: that dog in him right, he goes he makes the
Speaker 3: last play. But yeah, Alabama is Alabama, man, and that's
Speaker 3: a different that's a different animal. I'm just gonna give
Speaker 3: you some names. I want you to watch, because you're
Speaker 3: gonna watch. I hope you watch the games.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, the second one's kind of late, like, what
Speaker 1: are we doing this? It's eight thirty, it's eight forty five. Grow,
Speaker 1: that's gonna work the next that's the better game. That's
Speaker 1: that's I know, I know, that's why. What are we doing?
Speaker 3: Alabama starting right tackle jac Latham. He's been their start
Speaker 3: in the last two years. Six six, three sixty, you know,
Speaker 3: just quickly, Okay. It reminds me. Reminds me a lot
Speaker 3: of Trent Brown, just like a big, physical Maler kind
Speaker 3: of a weird range for the Patriots. He expected to
Speaker 3: go between ten and fifteen, so they'd have to make
Speaker 3: a trade. Jermaine Burton's a really good deep threat wide
Speaker 3: receive for Alabama. I like him. Malach Hi Moore is
Speaker 3: Alabama's He's a defensive back. He stepped into that. Brian Brantrell.
Speaker 3: He does a little bit of everything. Would be a
Speaker 3: classic Belichick pick. We talked about JJ McCarthy. Neither of
Speaker 3: us believe in him. These Michigan running backs Man Blake
Speaker 3: corm Donovan Edwards, they're gonna be in the spotlight. The
Speaker 3: Patriot's gonna need a running back. Please early Day three guys,
Speaker 3: please Roman Wilson. He's a weird player jump ball six
Speaker 3: foot jump ball receiver, but he can do it. He's
Speaker 3: really good at the catch point after the catch, and
Speaker 3: he needs to be better before the catch. That's kind of
Speaker 3: my book on him. Really fun player here, Mike Saanner.
Speaker 3: Still I don't know. You might have heard about him
Speaker 3: a little bit. Defensive back for Michigan, Everett Highgrad, Massachusetts
Speaker 3: Gatorade High School Football the year. Spent three years as
Speaker 3: you need to go. Spend three years of wide receiver
Speaker 3: at Michigan. Moved to defensive back two years ago. Plays
Speaker 3: like everywhere. Okay, he's very good. You know, Xavier Worthy,
Speaker 3: you like him, Ady Mitchell, Jatavian Sanders another tackle on
Speaker 3: this for Texas. Christian Jones gonna be facing NFL talent
Speaker 3: from Washington. He's like Tier two J C. Latham, that
Speaker 3: kind of thing that we do right like or he
Speaker 3: might be Day three and then on Washington. You know,
Speaker 3: I like Roma Dune's a Dylan Johnson another running back
Speaker 3: to watch. Fatanu's in that late first early second round.
Speaker 3: Alabam Uh Washington's left tackle, three year starter.
Speaker 1: He's interesting.
Speaker 3: He'll be at Senier Bol We'll see him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's interesting.
Speaker 3: Jabbar Muhammed, Washington's outside corner, three year starter. Really good
Speaker 3: man coverage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he played some good coverage against you.
Speaker 3: Five foot ten, might have to move in a slot
Speaker 3: in the NFL. Reminds me a ton Evan of Miles Bryant.
Speaker 3: So and he's a well five to ten. Yeah, Shrin's
Speaker 3: like five nine. It's an itch uh projected Miles Bryant's
Speaker 3: five to nine with projected late day three pick or udfa.
Speaker 3: Maybe that goes up with a good performance against these
Speaker 3: Texas wide receivers. But screams Patriots, I have a full
Speaker 3: list on ninety eight five to sport.
Speaker 1: You can read that really quickly from me on this
Speaker 1: because you know I'm just watching for a watching sake.
Speaker 1: Are we sure quin Yours isn't coming out?
Speaker 3: That's the thing I think it. The playoff determines it
Speaker 3: if he if he's going to be a first round pick.
Speaker 3: Will come out. He needs to basically have a big
Speaker 3: game against If he has a big game against Alabama
Speaker 3: or Michigan, he's going to be a first round pick.
Speaker 1: So that's what this will decide that. So I am intrigued,
Speaker 1: just intrigued. I'm not I'm not all in yet. I'm
Speaker 1: intrigued because I think that there's a chance that he's
Speaker 1: like the perfect Okay, you missed out on Callabillas, Drake May.
Speaker 1: You're not totally sold on Jaden Daniels, but you can
Speaker 1: get a guy like Quinn you Weers maybe by like
Speaker 1: slightly trading up into the first back into the first round,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't have the injury history that Pennis does.
Speaker 1: I just feel like that's one of those guys that
Speaker 1: might be like the perfect consolation price.
Speaker 3: He's gonna talk to teams at like unofficially right, he's
Speaker 3: gonna he's his people will do their research after the
Speaker 3: playoff and basically find out if he's gonna be a
Speaker 3: first round pick. It's enough teams base If he years
Speaker 3: back for enough teams that like, yeah, we like you
Speaker 3: in the first round, he'll declare. If not, he won't
Speaker 3: because he'll be a first round pick. Next year, and
Speaker 3: he's got plenty of nil money.
Speaker 1: At text exciting prospect. All right, that's gonna do it. First,
Speaker 1: Rodney Harrison should be in the Hall of Fame. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Rodney Harrison should be in the Hall of Fame. We
Speaker 1: didn't have time for that. I'm sure we'll talk about
Speaker 1: that on PU which starts here in a couple of minutes,
Speaker 1: So don't go anywhere. Alex and I will be back
Speaker 1: next week. Uh weeen hard to believe. But we'll talk
Speaker 1: about the lan offseason. Then the fun really begins. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then the fun really begins. We'll talk about the last
Speaker 1: week of the season. We'll talk about the college football playoff.
Speaker 1: So keep it right here, Patriots Catch twenty two, and
Speaker 1: we'll see you all then.
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