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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.

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Speaker 2: Blazar and Lazarre, Hello, everybody nailed it, Joins always buy

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Speaker 2: our Bara.

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Speaker 3: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barr.

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Speaker 1: If they're going that deep, then we're in trouble, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying we're not going to talk about those

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm going to make you watch Joe. I cannot

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Speaker 3: wait for you to watch Joe Milton.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying we're not going to talk about this.

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Speaker 1: I know, but Evan, I'm so excited. They cannot be

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Speaker 1: going that.

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Speaker 3: Joe Milton is going to break your mind. So I

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Speaker 3: can't wait.

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Speaker 1: That's a good way to start the show, because I

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Speaker 1: did want to start the show on the draft and uh,

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Speaker 1: Evan Lazarre, Alex Barth, Patriots Catch twenty two. Marine is back,

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Speaker 1: Marine is back behind the glass. Love to see that

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Speaker 1: doing better, he said, He's living is what he said.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's necessarily doing better, but here

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Speaker 1: we are. Everybody's like, you know, battling illness. These we're

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Speaker 1: like fighting it off and trying to stay away from it.

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Speaker 1: For the next two weeks. But I want to start

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Speaker 1: with the draft and with the Patriots situation. We have

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Speaker 1: our inbox right now, Alex is flooded with emails with

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Speaker 1: angry Patriots fans that they're winning these games and they

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Speaker 1: won in Denver and we're gonna get to that win.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about some Bailey Zappy, three up, three down,

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Speaker 1: all that stuff in a second. But here's where I

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Speaker 1: want to start the show. Everybody is is. I think

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of Patriots fans. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: say everybody because then people come at me and like,

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Speaker 1: it's not everybody. A lot of Patriots fans that feel

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Speaker 1: like our pal Warren here who says, guys, please stop

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Speaker 1: downplaying a high draft pick. It's pathetic that the Patriots

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Speaker 1: are celebrating these recent wins as well as lotting Zappi

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Speaker 1: and basically said that this is all. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to read all this because it's it's not very nice. Basically,

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Speaker 1: it says that this is a gonna say the franchise back.

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Speaker 1: You know, I hear this a lot, right, Like it's

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Speaker 1: gonna set the franchise back a decade, that they're winning

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Speaker 1: these games and they're this that and the other thing.

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Speaker 1: I know you're pretty fired up about this outs because

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Speaker 1: you started yelling at me before.

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Speaker 3: We I mean, not yelling at you, yell.

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Speaker 1: Anyways. I here's the thing to me about this. There

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Speaker 1: are some let's call it intangible things that I that

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Speaker 1: I like about what I've seen from this team the

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Speaker 1: last week or so. And I get it, they're four

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Speaker 1: and eleven. Some people don't want to celebrate for any

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Speaker 1: sort of win when you're having a season like this,

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Speaker 1: and I totally understand that line of thinking to an extent.

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Speaker 1: But after the game in Denver, when I was in

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Speaker 1: that locker room, that did not feel like a four

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Speaker 1: and eleven team. And I don't mean that they're not

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Speaker 1: like seeing the forest for the trees that I do it, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not saying that that's not the case,

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Speaker 1: but just there's a lot of competitive people in that

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Speaker 1: locker room. There's a lot of competitive people, and I

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Speaker 1: want to build a football team with competitive football players.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to build a football team. I'm just

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Speaker 1: going to call him out. Fill with Trent Browns, all right.

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Speaker 1: I don't want that, all right. I want a football

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Speaker 1: team filled with David Andrews's right, and David Andrews Christian

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Speaker 1: Barmore three sacks in a quarter. You're telling me that

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Speaker 1: guy doesn't care, That guy doesn't isn't trying, that guy

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to win, right. I want to build my

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Speaker 1: football team with people like that.

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Speaker 3: To top Douglas going up put his body on the

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Speaker 1: I think that there's a culture element to winning, and

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Speaker 1: a culture element to all of that. But most importantly,

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Speaker 1: because I don't think fans right now that are on

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Speaker 1: I think most importantly the difference is in my lack

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Speaker 1: lot of people have labeled this a three player draft.

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Speaker 1: At the top, it's Caleb Williams, Drake may or Marvin

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Speaker 1: a failure. It's a failure, and they're they're just getting,

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Speaker 3: I've heard in that so many times the last few

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Speaker 3: days that that win set the Patriots back ten years.

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Speaker 3: One, that's not how the NFL works. Not one single

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Speaker 3: last ten years, outside of like a rule change by

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Speaker 3: the league. The league changes too much on a week

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Speaker 3: you back. The only way it sets them back ten years,

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Speaker 3: Evan is if they let them And if they let

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Speaker 3: it set them back ten years.

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Speaker 1: I told you he was fired up.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. If they let it set them back ten years,

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Speaker 3: they deserve to be dragged for letting it set them

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Speaker 3: back ten years, not for winning a game. Sure. And

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Speaker 3: when I say letting it set them back, I mean

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Speaker 3: not being as aggressive as they need to be this offseason,

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Speaker 3: because there's a realistic aggressiveness I think you can expect

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: Number two, the whole thing about the three player draft.

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Speaker 3: First off, it is a three quarterback draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Jane is where I wanted to go because

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Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna give you some flowers right now.

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Speaker 1: You always tell me about these guys in like September

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Speaker 1: or October, and then I started watching them at some point,

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Speaker 1: and then we get to the point of the draft

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Speaker 1: where we're really talking about Jaden Daniels and Michael Pennix

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Speaker 1: and not Caleb Williams. Everybody knows about Caleb Williams. He

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Speaker 1: won Heisman Trophy last year. We all know who Caleb

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Speaker 1: Williams is, I think, and I it was it Phil

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this happens all the time. Love Phil was saying

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Speaker 1: Ago, this happens all the time. That the league knows,

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Speaker 1: the league knows that Jaden Daniels is a baller. Then

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Speaker 1: what ends up happening is is that people that cover

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Speaker 1: other people. I leave you out of that. That's why

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Speaker 1: I was going, Yeah, people that cover the NFL exclusively

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Speaker 1: Like do you see this guy from LSU won the

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Speaker 1: that's what's what always happens, and it's just happening a

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Speaker 3: In, Right, it's happening early for us. This winning usually

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Speaker 3: happens this time. In twenty nineteen. Yeah, Joe Burrow was

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Speaker 3: not the first overall pick, right well, like some people

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying like he kind of punched his And

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Speaker 3: that's not me saying Jane Daniels is going to become

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Speaker 3: the first overall pick. I don't think he jumps that much.

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Speaker 3: But does he jump Drake May?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Does he locked him? I think he's already locked himself

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Speaker 3: Does he jump Marvin Harrison? Some of it's going to

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Speaker 3: I would even say beyond that, Caleb Williams is in

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Speaker 3: two quarterbacks are Drake May and Jade and Daniels, and

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Speaker 3: I think the gap between May and Daniels is smaller

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Speaker 3: is then a third tier that I would call elite

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Speaker 3: Joe All. I think all for he's one step so

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Speaker 3: I would put Olshanu with like Malik Neighbors, and he's

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Speaker 3: This isn't really a uprated tier. It's kind of to

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Speaker 3: the side. There's a defensive version of the Harrison Bowers. Well, no,

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Speaker 3: I just want to I want to know. I don't

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Speaker 3: kool Aid mcinstrey sucks, because they're very good players, but

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Speaker 3: they're like the brock Bowers, Marvin Harrison, Joe alt Tier

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Speaker 3: on the other side of the pot.

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Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. I'm glad you set it

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Speaker 1: up for people to understand. Yeah. But well, but here's

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Speaker 3: Let me just say that. Let me just say this. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: brock Bauer, I think specifically, not brock guys. I think

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Speaker 3: specifically Dallas Turner, kool Aid mckinstrey, in lay too, La

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Speaker 3: We'll see we test those four players are actually very

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Speaker 3: important for the Patriots in this draft because.

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Speaker 1: They could go higher.

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Speaker 3: Is there a team that's simply sitting there saying we

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Speaker 3: the board and bump Jayde and Daniels if the Patriots

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Speaker 3: I know it annoys you to talk about those guys

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Speaker 3: because you don't think the Patriots should draft them, And

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Speaker 3: that's all well and good. We have to adjust our

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Speaker 3: by default when the Patriots are picking fifteenth, twentieth, twenty fifth,

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Speaker 3: that there's just certain guys at the top that we

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Speaker 3: let go of every single pick. Now, anytime you're in

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Speaker 3: the progress of a guy like Dallas Turner, even if

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Speaker 3: the Patriots aren't gonna draft him, because does he jump

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Speaker 3: taking him, that changes the outlook. But you're gonna have

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Speaker 3: to listen to me talk about that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: You can't shoot me down when I talk about which.

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Speaker 1: Is what you just tried to do. I. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: thought of the Patriots taking a defensive player in the

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Speaker 1: first round makes me want to puke.

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Speaker 3: I'm not rolling that out entirely if Bill's comes back,

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Speaker 3: but I'm with you that they shouldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: That's entirely so. I think that that's the biggest difference

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Speaker 1: those three guys Caleb, Drake May, Marvin Harrison Junior are

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Speaker 1: the only three guys that you feel are worth you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say worth drafting, but just that's

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Speaker 1: all that gets you excited. Is if one of those

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Speaker 1: you're upset that they're winning football games. I just don't

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Speaker 1: it perfectly about I feel that the gap between Drake

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Speaker 1: felt that when we talked about Drake May a lot

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Speaker 1: Last week do you.

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Speaker 3: Jane Daniels mechanics, they could be tightened up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: So here's where I would slip back on that a

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Speaker 3: So obviously that's what I'm saying, Like, because Carolina is

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Speaker 3: Is there any prate now? If they don't believe in them,

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Speaker 3: then don't But there's no reason.

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Speaker 1: That you I don't know if there, I don't know

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Speaker 3: There's no Well, but then you shouldn't be taking the

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Speaker 1: I just think there's a difference between giving up like

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Speaker 3: Okay, but it's not I'm not saying trade up to one.

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Speaker 3: Daniels goes three. You can't just say, aw shucks, well

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Speaker 3: we needed the third pick, we have the fourth. Nothing

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Speaker 3: And when I give that argument, some people say, well,

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Speaker 1: It's adorable.

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Speaker 3: People think the NFL draft is that predictable. It really is.

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Speaker 1: Who had that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? And so just to go through it real quick, Chicago,

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Speaker 1: The Giants might be a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they can't be. They can't. They are,

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Speaker 1: That is I think you you if you as an organization,

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Speaker 3: Like you can't get. The is not going to go

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Speaker 3: Okay, so fine, Washington. The Giants, who the Patriots are

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Speaker 3: Right, right, and again that's right, but the Giants and

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Speaker 3: people should be doing backflips in the streets.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Uh, I'm gonna and then I really do want

436
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Speaker 1: to talk about the actual current team.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: The The last thing I'm gonna say is gonna be

439
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Speaker 1: an unpopular opinion, But I'm just gonna say it anyways,

440
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Speaker 1: because I as an as an offensive line guy, Alex,

441
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Speaker 1: I have to say it. I have to tell you

442
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Speaker 1: that taking the tackle is not a bad move for

443
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Speaker 1: the fit.

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Speaker 3: It is if if all let's say all three quarterbacks

445
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Speaker 3: are gone, it's the move.

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Speaker 1: I don't even it's not even about that, like because

447
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Speaker 1: you have to Again, I like Jayden Daniels. You like

448
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Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels, but they have to like j Daniels. You

449
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Speaker 1: have to be sold on that on a guy like that.

450
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Speaker 1: I'm not taking Zach Wilson just to take a quarterback, right, Okay, true,

451
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Speaker 1: but that's my point and I'm not thinking je Daniels. Okay,

452
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Speaker 1: But the point being is is that I I'm gonna

453
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Speaker 1: have an unpopular opinion on this I I really would strongly,

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Speaker 1: strongly entertain the tackle. So do you remember even over

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Speaker 1: a quarterback?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I wouldn't go that far, But do you remember

457
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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago I said on Patriots Beat

458
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Speaker 3: Joe Alt over Marvin Harrison, and some guy called in

459
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Speaker 3: because he couldn't understand it, and I said, this is

460
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Speaker 3: gonna be a real conversation. Yeah, I'm with you on

461
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Speaker 3: the unpopular opinion.

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Speaker 1: Like, okay, maybe maybe saying over quarterbacks to stretch. I

463
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Speaker 1: am a hooker. If I'm an over tackle over Marvin, here's.

464
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Speaker 3: What I would say if and tell me if you agree,

465
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Speaker 3: because I don't want to put words in your mouth.

466
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Speaker 3: But if it's Joe Alt or a quarterback you don't

467
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Speaker 3: fully believe in, Yeah, Joe Walt, is that what you're saying? Basically,

468
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Speaker 3: I would agree with you on that. Now, if it's

469
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Speaker 3: let's say they buy into Jayde and Daniels and they say,

470
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Speaker 3: this is our you know, we missed on on Lamar

471
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Speaker 3: Jackson in twenty eighteen, here's our chance to get right.

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Speaker 3: Then you take Jayde Daniels all day. Yeah, But if

473
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Speaker 3: they're like Jane Daniels, he gets hurt a lot Drake

474
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Speaker 3: may super inconsistent. But Joe Alt, You're like, this is

475
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Speaker 3: a Hall of Fame left tackle. Yeah, then yeah, you

476
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Speaker 3: take absolutely, And even if they think Marvin Harrison is

477
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Speaker 3: also a Hall of Fame wide receiver, Joel.

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Speaker 1: I would just look at the way that the league

479
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Speaker 1: is trending in the good teams in the league, and

480
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Speaker 1: it's you would be really hard pressed to find a

481
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Speaker 1: team right now that you could say legitimately has a

482
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Speaker 1: chance to win the Super Bowl that has a bad

483
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Speaker 1: offensive line. It doesn't exist. And I could more easily

484
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Speaker 1: find a team that doesn't have the quarterback in the

485
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Speaker 1: traditional sense, the elite quarterback San Francisco and Detroit right

486
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Speaker 1: and say that that team has a legitimate chance to

487
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Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl with Brock Purdy because Trent Williams

488
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Speaker 1: is his starting left tackle, or in Detroit where the

489
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Speaker 1: whole offensive line is is a bunch of.

490
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Speaker 3: The age, I think, and you can speak more to

491
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Speaker 3: why this is happening schematically, like teams going more too

492
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Speaker 3: high and things like that, the age of get a

493
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Speaker 3: dominant quarterback. He's going to over five thousand yards every year,

494
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Speaker 3: You're gonna be in the AFC Championship Game. NFC Championship

495
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Speaker 3: game every year. It's trending away from that. I'm not

496
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Speaker 3: saying that quarterbacks no longer important. It still absolutely is,

497
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Speaker 3: but you are starting to see a trend back towards

498
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Speaker 3: more well rounded football.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I just think that you need to be

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Speaker 1: you need to be mindful of the fact that this

501
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Speaker 1: Patriots team is not necessarily a rookie quarterback away from

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Speaker 1: being a Super Bowl competitor.

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Speaker 3: And I think, but I think they're a strong offseason

504
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Speaker 3: away from being like a potential nine to ten win team.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, but I think that I would rather and I

506
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Speaker 1: think this is what they did in twenty one, and

507
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Speaker 1: I think this is a big reason why it didn't

508
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Speaker 1: work in twenty one. They went for the instant gratification method.

509
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Speaker 1: They spent like crazy and free agency, they drafted a

510
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Speaker 1: first round quarterback, and it worked off the top, right,

511
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Speaker 1: they win ten games, they go back to the playoffs.

512
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Speaker 1: I'm much more interested this time around. And sustainability, well,

513
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Speaker 1: because they stopped, they stopped. They didn't add anybody the

514
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Speaker 1: next two years. Fine, but I really feel like in general,

515
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 1: they went for a quick fix, and I want a

516
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Speaker 1: sustainable model. And I think building the offensive line building out,

517
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Speaker 1: the pieces around the quarterback and all that type of

518
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Speaker 1: stuff is still important. And I look at Joe alt,

519
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Speaker 1: I know that you know you like Joe Altover Forshanu.

520
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Speaker 1: I probably will too eventually, so I think, but I

521
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Speaker 1: think both of those guys are blue chip type. They're

522
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Speaker 1: very close.

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Speaker 3: Fishanu probably has a little more ceiling, but like there's

524
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Speaker 3: a little more variance and there's a little more risk

525
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Speaker 3: where all like you're getting a guy that's gonna step

526
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Speaker 3: in and he's gonna be starting left tackle for for

527
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Speaker 3: ten fifteen years. He's gonna make a couple of Pro Bowls,

528
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Speaker 3: might make an All Pro team or tours. Like Fashanu

529
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Speaker 3: might just be like an average starting tackle. He might

530
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Speaker 3: be a perennial All Pro. But his more variance with

531
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Speaker 3: it alto his better size. He has more experience, He's

532
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Speaker 3: been a cleaner player. The real difference for me is

533
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Speaker 3: who had a really rough game against Ohio State, which

534
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Speaker 3: is I mean not in past protection. He got seven pressures?

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Speaker 1: Oh did he really? Yeah, the guy hasn't allowed a

536
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Speaker 1: sack in like three years now.

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Speaker 3: He allowed a lot of pressures though, Yeah, I mean

538
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 3: he got uh Jack Sawyer and uh, I like to all,

539
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 3: who I forget the other guy's name, Like those are

540
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 3: both top one hundred draft pick at Like those are

541
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Speaker 3: going to be right, Ohio State hit guys, right, we

542
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Speaker 3: know how they.

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Speaker 1: He's certainly is uh, he's he's an athletic specimen, but

544
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Speaker 1: he's his technique and things like that are a little

545
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Speaker 1: bit more raw. Joe Alt is like your your prototypical

546
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Speaker 1: ready made starting left tackles and set it and forget

547
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: it right. Whereas Fishan who has a huge upside to

548
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Speaker 1: him because of his athleticism.

549
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Speaker 3: So sorry Pffshan who against Ohio State didn't allow sack,

550
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Speaker 3: but he allowed six pressures, so not seven, but he

551
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Speaker 3: allowed ten all year. So that's the thing. It's like

552
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Speaker 3: he the one bad game he had, but it's against

553
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Speaker 3: I mean great he plank. He had a clean sheet

554
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Speaker 3: against you Mass okay sick.

555
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Speaker 1: Okay, oh my god, he played more than just you

556
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Speaker 1: Mass on it.

557
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Speaker 3: But like they didn't really play like hell had one pressure,

558
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Speaker 3: had one penalty against Michigan. Big ten kind of sucked

559
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Speaker 3: this year.

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Speaker 1: Here here's the point though, Yeah, the point is is

561
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Speaker 1: that you still in my mind, the offensive line is

562
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Speaker 1: a major, major need for this team in the offseason

563
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Speaker 1: and it's twofold one. I feel as though it's very,

564
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Speaker 1: very difficult to build an offensive line through the veteran market.

565
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Speaker 1: There's not a whole lot of surplus at offensive line.

566
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Speaker 1: There's certainly not a lot of good offensive line, and

567
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Speaker 1: especially at the tackle position. League wide, those guys don't

568
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Speaker 1: move very often, and if they do, it either costs

569
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Speaker 1: you a ton of money, like toront Armstead for example,

570
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Speaker 1: in Miami, or it's via trade like Trent Williams to

571
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Speaker 1: San Francisco. Right, those guys don't come available too often

572
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: if you look at the free agent market that's slated

573
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Speaker 1: right now. At tackle, there's a pretty strong argument that

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Speaker 1: Michael Auenu as a guard playing tackle, might be the

575
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Speaker 1: best tackle in free agency this year. And he's sure,

576
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: and he's your guy, right like he's already here. We

577
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Speaker 1: talked a ton about tackles in free agency last year. Mcglinchy, McGary,

578
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Speaker 1: Jwan Taylor, those types of they probably should have done

579
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: it last year. But at the same time, Mike mcglinchy

580
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: just got his freaking lunch money handed to him by

581
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Speaker 1: josh Uja. Right, he's had a bad year. Mike McGlinchey

582
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Speaker 1: with the Broncos, and the Broncos owe him a ton

583
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Speaker 1: of money moving forward. So I think what you run

584
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Speaker 1: into the risk of is that you're going to sign

585
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Speaker 1: a tackle in free agency who's really like a C

586
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Speaker 1: plus player, but you're playing him a plus money. You're

587
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Speaker 1: playing him top of the market money, which I just

588
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: don't think is necessarily good for business. So it's I

589
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Speaker 1: think it's going to be really difficult to find the

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Speaker 1: left tackle via the veteran market, whether that be trade

591
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Speaker 1: or free agency, and looking at their situation right now,

592
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Speaker 1: Trent Brown, I don't know if Trent Brown's gonna play

593
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Speaker 1: another down for the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: Can I be honest with you, Yes, it would not

595
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 3: be the most surprising thing in the world to me

596
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Speaker 3: if Trent Brown came back. I don't think he's going

597
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Speaker 3: to and.

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Speaker 1: I would be absolutely floored.

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Speaker 3: I think here's the way he plays out because I

600
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Speaker 3: played out the last few years.

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Speaker 1: I've defended Trent Brown a lot because I think when

602
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Speaker 1: he's when he's locked in, he's a starting caliber left tackle.

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Speaker 3: Let me be fair, this is a critique of the Patriots.

604
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Speaker 3: This is not a defensive Trent Brant Okay, they're gonna

605
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Speaker 3: get to free agency, like they don't. They clearly won't

606
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Speaker 3: address tackle in the draft. They won't do it at

607
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 3: the top of the draft. They don't want to do it.

608
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Speaker 3: They're gonna get free agency and they're gonna see Tyron

609
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Speaker 3: Smith and he's gonna want a lot of money. And

610
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Speaker 3: they're gonna see Joah Williams and he's gonna want a

611
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Speaker 3: lot of money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't even like Jonah Williams says

613
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: all sorts of flaws. I don't even.

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Speaker 3: But my point is, like Trent Brown's gonna get free agency,

615
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Speaker 3: He's gonna be asking for top of the market tackle money.

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Speaker 3: He's not gonna get it because the way it ended here,

617
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you know they it's

618
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Speaker 3: gonna be last call.

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Speaker 1: They need gonna be two people left in the bar.

620
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Speaker 1: They need to move on Patriot.

621
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Speaker 3: The Patriots see a starting caliber tackle they don't have

622
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Speaker 3: to pay starting caliber tackle money, and Trent Brown sees

623
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Speaker 3: a team that's at least willing to come close to

624
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Speaker 3: his number, even if it is a value deal for

625
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 3: the team. They're made for each other. It is a

626
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 3: toxic relationship. That's how he came back last time.

627
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Speaker 1: They need to they need to move on from people

628
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: like Trent Brown. So they did those types of people

629
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Speaker 1: with that type of attitude like he's not.

630
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Speaker 3: I know, but he's he's an affordable, starting caliber tackle.

631
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Speaker 3: He didn't play, he.

632
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: Didn't practice yesterday, we get the injury report, what does

633
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: it say? Illness?

634
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: Illness? My ass right, you.

635
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Speaker 1: Get out kind of had a cryptic tweet that like

636
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Speaker 1: suggested he was not only that, but he plays what

637
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: like twenty five snaps in the game on Sunday. He's

638
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Speaker 1: moving at half speed, like like everybody else is moving

639
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Speaker 1: faster than him. And it's not because he's three hundred

640
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Speaker 1: and eighty pounds because he's not trying. So again, he's

641
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: literally stopped playing. In the middle of the play with

642
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: Tayekwon Thorton on the Jets sweep, if he's if he

643
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: throws a block, Taekwon Thorton might score. Let me. He

644
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: just he just stands there.

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Speaker 3: I would not bring him back. They should not bring

646
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Speaker 3: him back.

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Speaker 1: I would much rather than just go with a younger

648
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Speaker 1: guy that even if they don't draft it at the

649
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Speaker 1: top of the draft, like draft something draft Matt Light,

650
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Speaker 1: draft somebody in the second hatter.

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Speaker 3: Paul, I'm not saying i'd bring him back. Let me

652
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 3: be clear about that. For all the reasons you just

653
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 3: said they need to they need tackle like this might

654
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: happen they've gone yeardy, all right, So do you want

655
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 3: PFF's top for agent tackles? By the way, just so

656
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: because this helps your Joe Alt argument. Number one, Tyron Smith,

657
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 3: he's like old, Yeah, he's like forty. Number two Trent Brown,

658
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 3: that's the that's the number two tackle available. And by

659
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 3: the way, I think that's correct based on the rest

660
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 3: of this list.

661
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

662
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: Number three Mike go When Yeah, but he's because he

663
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: only plays right tackle, right, That's why he's below. I

664
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: do think at this point is a better option than

665
00:30:55,040 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: Trent Brown. Number four, Makai Beckton, number five, Joanah Williamsnumber six,

666
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 3: Austin Jackson, number seven, Donovan Smith. Your number eight tackle

667
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 3: available Evan Jermaine iluminor number nine George Fant who's gonna

668
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 3: retire He's like, what thirty eight? Yeah, this is my point.

669
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 3: In number ten, Josh Jones, No, I wanted to give

670
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 3: this to you to help you make.

671
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,719
Speaker 1: My point, like where are they getting to be?

672
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 3: Just to be fair, next up, Isaiah Win.

673
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, where are they getting the tackle from? And on

674
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: top of the fact that the free agent market stinks,

675
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: maybe some veteran tackle a team you know, has like

676
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: a tarn Armstead situation where the Saints had to move

677
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: money and it wasn't gonna work and they end up

678
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: moving on from Tron Armstead and he goes to Miami.

679
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: Maybe something like that comes to fruition. But I don't

680
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: know where else the tackle is gonna come from. And

681
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: right now, without Dante Scarnekia walking through the door, I

682
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: don't have any confidence in them developing tackles. So, like,

683
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: if they're gonna draft somebody, you can't just say, oh,

684
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna draft a tackle in the fourth round and

685
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna turn them into a which is what they're

686
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: still trying to do.

687
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 3: Right.

688
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: You can't do that anymore because you don't have the

689
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: coaching to do that anymore. So I look, I would

690
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: take the quarterback at the top of the draft. I'm

691
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: not arguing against that. I am just telling you that

692
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: the one way that you can finally solve what's been

693
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: probably the biggest issue for this team the last two years,

694
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: which is tackle, is by drafting one near the top

695
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: of the draft, because is it gonna like, I don't

696
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: know if it's going to be Adrian Klem, Is it

697
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: gonna be Billy Yates, Is it going to be another

698
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: higher you know, like who's going to be running the

699
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: offensive line. It's just the offensive line is an absolute

700
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: rest for this team. Every single week. They have no tackles.

701
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: Their tackles are either hurt or weren't good to begin with,

702
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: or are also hurt right. And now you have the

703
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: situation where you're one good offensive lineman besides David Andrews,

704
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: who by the way, might retire, and so now you

705
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: have a huge hole at center that you're filling too.

706
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,719
Speaker 1: The one guy that you have that that's a solid

707
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: NFL offensive lineman is a free agent, is going to

708
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: want the bag. So, like one hundred percent, I'm giving

709
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: the back to on Wendo. Whether he's playing, god he's

710
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: playing tackle, I don't care. But the point being they

711
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: have to find a left tackle. It can't be Trent Brown.

712
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: You can't go down that road. It can't be Connor

713
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: mcdermots and Vederian Low's of the world. They need to

714
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: have a real solution at that position, and the only

715
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: way that they're going to do it is using a

716
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: top forty pick on one. That's the only way. So

717
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: I don't I text you last night and said, I

718
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: want to talk about the college football playoff.

719
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if you want to do it now.

720
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: I do want to ill later.

721
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 3: All Right, there's guys. You need to watch a tackle

722
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 3: because you talk about top fifty. There's a couple guys you.

723
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, the kid at Washington's pretty good too, right.

724
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 3: Troy Fatano, Yeah, so he's one of them. We'll get

725
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 3: to it.

726
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of guys. So I do want to

727
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: talk about the current team a little bit. I think

728
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: that the two biggest things coming out.

729
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: Can I add one more thing on this? On the

730
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 3: Walt Harrison thing, everybody says, oh, you know, they can't

731
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 3: draft receivers. Harrison is the most can't miss receiver in

732
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 3: the last ten years. Like, what a perfect way for

733
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: them to just kind of hit it is. Let's say

734
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 3: it's the same regime back coaching. It's Bill Belichick with

735
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: Bill Brian Troy Browns wide receivers coach, right, and everybody

736
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 3: kind of says they're Marvin Harrison proof, right, Like like,

737
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison is so good, it won't matter. Yeah, are

738
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 3: we sure it's not the other way around? Is Marvin Harrison?

739
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 3: Then proof is he's so good?

740
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: Yes, I think they can't blow it. I think Mark

741
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know about that. I think

742
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: he is now in Patriots luck, like he'll get hurt

743
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: or something like.

744
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 3: That, and that's one of the big knocks on it,

745
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,959
Speaker 3: and they don't handle it well when young receivers get hurt.

746
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 3: That's been a long time trend of theirs. Okay, but

747
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 3: I'm not worried about his talent. I just the court

748
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 3: the receiver. You can't draft the receiver first. It's just

749
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 3: not the way that the order of operations works. You're

750
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 3: gonna draft Marvin Harrison junior. He's not gonna have a

751
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 3: quarterback to throw him the ball. He's not gonna have

752
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 3: an offensive line to block for the quarterback. So like,

753
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 3: even if it's like a Bailey z appy type guy

754
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: who might be able to get him the ball with

755
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 3: some protection, like, you're not gonna have the protection. So

756
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 3: you're gonna have Marvin Harrison Junior standing thirty yards down

757
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 3: the field, frustrated.

758
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: It as all hell because he can't get the ball

759
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: because the quarterback in the offensive line can't get it

760
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: to him. Like what good does that do? And I

761
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: get there's like an adding talent argument, and maybe you

762
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: know long term like eventually you have the quarterback and

763
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: you have the line and now all of a sudden

764
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: you have Marvin Harrison Junior. I get that. But now

765
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: we're looking at it as like Marvin Harrison Junior is

766
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: going to reach his potential in New England and you're

767
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: like three or four and now we're gonna have to

768
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: pay him. And now we're like already kicking that can

769
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: down the road.

770
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 3: What I know, you want to get off it. And

771
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: I keep saying one more thing, but I think it's

772
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: important for this argument. I think it's good people hear this.

773
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 3: You talk about all right, even if you don't take Joelle,

774
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 3: you still need to get the tackle like later on right.

775
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

776
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 3: The tricky thing about this is you can probably get

777
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 3: the tackle whether you trade back up late in the

778
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: first you take him with your first second, Like, there's

779
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 3: gonna be a couple of good tackles on the board there.

780
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 3: That's it. The depth in this tackle class. The guys

781
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: sitting to go on you know, day three. In this class,

782
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 3: a lot of them would be undrafted in previous years. Like,

783
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 3: it's just not a deep class at all. Wide receiver.

784
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: On the other hand, do you know how many wide

785
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 3: receivers are currently projected to go in the first round.

786
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 3: You don't need to name them all, No, but you

787
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: met the number we got to move on eight. Yeah,

788
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 3: and that's just in the first round. There are guys

789
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 3: who are gonna go in the second round. I'll give

790
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,479
Speaker 3: you one guy for instance, a d Mitchell from Texas. Yeah,

791
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 3: Ady Mitchell last year would have been my number one

792
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 3: receiver on the board. Two years ago, Ady Mitchell would

793
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 3: have been my number one receiver on the board. He's

794
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: gonna be a second round pick this year. You can

795
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 3: get really good receivers outside of the top fifty in

796
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 3: this draft. You can get instinct contributors outside of the

797
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 3: top fifty. That's not the case of tackle, not at all.

798
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: And obviously it's not the case of quarterback. It's never

799
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: been the case of quarterback. So you do have to

800
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 3: play the board a little bit. That's just part of it. Okay,

801
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 3: So let's talk about that. Forty minutes later, I was

802
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 3: a really good conversation.

803
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: Conversation I have.

804
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 3: I hope people learn something.

805
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: Very never mind.

806
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no.

807
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: Don't don't like well actually people, now, all right, the

808
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: people don't like that. Okay, what were you gonna say? Now,

809
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna say, Like, don't don't you know,

810
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: don't don't put your nose up to everybody that's upset. Okay. Uh. Anyways,

811
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about the current team. I

812
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: think the two the two main things coming out of

813
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: this game that we have to discuss are basically, is

814
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: your mind changed? Does your mind does any of this

815
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: like two out of three wins, and like, let's just

816
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: take all the feelings about the draft out of it

817
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: for a second and just look at it in a vacuum.

818
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: Does it change your mind about Bill Belichick? Does it

819
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: change your mind about Bailly is happy? Because that that's

820
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: I think that in the here and now. That's like

821
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: the questions.

822
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 3: About the team. Uh no, it doesn't. They scored nineteen

823
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 3: points on offense.

824
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: Yeah I know, and they were like three of something

825
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 1: on thirty thirteen well eight, oh yeah, give them credit

826
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: now it's or seven three and something.

827
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: Give them credit. There were three to twelve on third

828
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: down because the thirteenth was the when they clocked the ball,

829
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 3: So okay, you don't need to pick that up. But no,

830
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 3: it's because again, it's not move on from Bill because

831
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 3: the team is a ten loss team ten plus lost

832
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 3: team in twenty twenty three. It's moved on from Bill

833
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 3: because the roster has fallen into such a state of

834
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 3: despair that this is where they are. I still believe

835
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 3: Bill can coach if anything change, I feel stronger about

836
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 3: that fantasy world that's not gonna happen where Bill basically

837
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: goes to Robert and says, you know what, have somebody

838
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 3: else Bill the roster. I'm going to Nantucket. I'll see

839
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 3: you for OTA's in May. Like I want that even

840
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 3: more now. But that's not gonna happen. But I don't

841
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 3: want it enough for unwilling to stick with Bill Belichick

842
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: as the GM. I think they need. I still think

843
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 3: they need a fresh voice because you still saw the

844
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 3: issues with the roster that have compounded over the last

845
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 3: few years flare up in this game. Even though they wont.

846
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like they're just There is something to

847
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: be said for the fact that at this point they're

848
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: also just playing worse teams, right Pittsburgh Denver, like there

849
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: does not they're not the Eagles, right, like they're not

850
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: They're not Miami in Week two Dallas, when the when

851
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: the losing really started to to permeate. I would just

852
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: say that with Bill, I would agree with you that

853
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: the ideal situation is that he stays up and coaches

854
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: and hands personnel off to somebody else. I just don't

855
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: know how.

856
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 3: But like truly does it not symbolically again, he leaves.

857
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: But I don't know how we realistically execute that because

858
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: ultimately the personnel guy, let's call it Adam Peters, just

859
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: for argument's sake, Adam Peters is gonna draft a player

860
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: and then he's gonna hand that player to Bill, who's

861
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: then gonna coach him, develop him, and then put him

862
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: in a role. And Bill's roles in Bill's vision for

863
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: his football team is not gonna change. So Adam Peters

864
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: can go out and he can draft a four to

865
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: two receiver like the Patriots did with Taekwon Thorton, or

866
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: they can. He can go out and he can draft

867
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: a Marty Maphu, and Bill is just gonna play Marty

868
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: map who had safety and he's gonna bench Taekwon Thorton

869
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: because he can't run routes like that. That's just gonna be.

870
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: That's it. That's what's gonna end up happening. And how

871
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: do you it's not about just identify buying talent better,

872
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: Like I think that that if it was just simply

873
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: they need to identify talent on the personnel side better,

874
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: then it would be easy to say, let's put Adam

875
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: Peters in charge. Let's put John Robinson in charge. Let's

876
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: put you know, the guy from from Kansas City that

877
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: can't remember his name, the assistant GM in Kansas City,

878
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: Let's put him in charge. It would be much easier

879
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: to say that if Bill was also changing the vision, right,

880
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: like the vision is the problem. The problem is is

881
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: that and this kind of relates to my take on

882
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: Bailey Zappy. The problem is is that their offense right

883
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: now is jump balls to Devonte Parker, right, and that

884
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: is an archaic, extinct way of playing offense, and it's why, Yeah,

885
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: they can make a few big plays down the stretch

886
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: in a game like this, but like you said, they

887
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: scored nineteen points, right, and that to get to a

888
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 1: back to being an elite offense. You need to change

889
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 1: the way that their structural Sure, you need to change

890
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: the way they are structurally operating offensively. So here's my pitch,

891
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: and I gave this on PUS. I'm sorry for people

892
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: that listen to ball shows. Here's my pitch. If I'm

893
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: not saying I'm advocating for keeping Bill, but if Bill

894
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: were to stay, and if Robert were just to sit

895
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: there and say I can't do it like he's the

896
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: greatest coach of all time, the stability is to at

897
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: this point of it's just I want it right, like

898
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to completely start from scratch with my

899
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: football team. I have a couple of different parameters of

900
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: that one. They need to hire a GM. Bill is

901
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: losing GM responsibilities. They need to hire a real GM.

902
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: And it can't be Macro because Macro is just gonna

903
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 1: be a puppet for Bill.

904
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: No, it's got to be But here's the thing, and

905
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 3: I agree with you on that one hundred percent. It's

906
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 3: got to be somebody wh's gonna actually do the job.

907
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 3: How many people can really do There aren't that many

908
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 3: people on the planet that you can put in there

909
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 3: that are going to When Bill says some they're gonna

910
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 3: say no, right, No, we're doing it my way.

911
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: Well, that's why it has to be somebody that's done

912
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: it before.

913
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 3: I think there's three people realistically that you could hire

914
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 3: for that role, and I'm not sure any of them

915
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 3: would do it. Thomas de Metroz probably the most realistic option,

916
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 3: John Robinson, and then the long shot, but like in

917
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: theory if his qualifications, his qualifications check out, but I

918
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 3: don't think he'd do it. Scott Fuley, yeah, is back in.

919
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 3: I hope he doesn't. He's great on TV, but those

920
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 3: are probably Is there anybody else that when Bill goes

921
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: into the draft room and says I want Dallas turn

922
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 3: or fourth overall, is gonna say no?

923
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure there is, right, Like, I'm sure somebody does

924
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: have that type of backbone. But ultimately that so here's

925
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: the thing that that general manager that we're talking about.

926
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: And again I'm not advocating for keeping Bill. I would

927
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: still move on as well. But if right, let's just

928
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: play it out. If they were going to keep him,

929
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: the GM that was in place answers to ownership. He

930
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: doesn't answer to Bill, right like his boss needs to

931
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: be Robert Craft. Yeah, and he needs to have complete

932
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: control of the fifty three man roster like that's his team,

933
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: it's his roster. Bill's just coaching Bill at this point.

934
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: Is Andy Reid? Right? Like you know, Brett Veach is

935
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: handing Andy Reid a pile of draft picks and here

936
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: you go, coach, like this is your group. Right, That's

937
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: what needs would need to happen. I think there probably

938
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: are people that we don't necessarily know at the top

939
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: of our heads, that do exist that would have that

940
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: kind of backbone, but that that's on the Crafts to

941
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: find that person, right, So that that's item number one,

942
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: you're handing personnel off item number two. I still think

943
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien's a good coach. If Bill O'Brien is the

944
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: guy that they want leading the offense, that's fine. But

945
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien and the general manager are running offense. Those

946
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: two guys are making the personnel decisions on offense. Those

947
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: two guys are making the schematic, you know what, the

948
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 1: direction that we're taking the offense in. From A, A, AN,

949
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: x's and o's standpoint, they're running offense. Yeah, I don't

950
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: want Bill anywhere near the offense. I don't want I

951
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: don't want Tom touch in it.

952
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 3: Well, that's kind of like what we talked about when

953
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: we were talking about them hiring an offensive coordinator last year,

954
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 3: head coach of the offense, right like Josh mcka.

955
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: So those two guys are gonna be in lockstep of

956
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: what the vision is, what the personnel needs to be,

957
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: where the holes are, and then obviously what the schematic

958
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: direction of the offense is going to be. Item number

959
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: three and this, Once we get to all three of these,

960
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna see even more how ridiculous this would be

961
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: for Bill to say yes to this. Right item number three,

962
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm giving O'Brien full autonomy of his coaching staff on

963
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball, Like let him like

964
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: hire his own guys. Okay, he has one of his

965
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: own guys. It's Will lying the tight ends coach. I

966
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: don't know who hired Adrian Klem, but Adrian Klem. I

967
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: want to be sensitive about the fact that it's an

968
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: illness or a health related situation. Right, So I don't

969
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: know what's going on with Adrian Klem, but Adrian Clem

970
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: I think was a Bill higher. I mean, has Bill

971
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 1: written all over it right, former player for the page.

972
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: Well, the O'Brien was here, so.

973
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: So I don't know if Adrian Clem is going to

974
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: be back here simply because of his health situation. So

975
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: that offensive line coach hire needs to be Bill O'Brien's higher.

976
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: If Bill O'Brien doesn't feel like Troy Brown and Vinie

977
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: Conseri Viney Sinceri running backs coach, Troy Brown wide receivers coach, obviously,

978
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: if he doesn't feel like those two guys are getting

979
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: the job done, he needs to go get his own

980
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: guys right. So they I feel like they kind of

981
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: like told Bill O'Brien like, this is this is your staff, right, Like,

982
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: this is the guys that you're working with. Figure it out.

983
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that all of those guys are

984
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: bad coaches or anything like that, but ultimately that's that's

985
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: not how it should have been done. Like Josh McDaniels

986
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: had his staff, like Carl Briscilla is his guy, Nick Lombardy,

987
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: I know he has John har right, it's you know,

988
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: those are his guys. So I think that they have

989
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: to get back to doing all that. So a GM

990
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: that has control of personnel handing over the offense to

991
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: the GM and the offensive coordinator and allowing the offensive

992
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: coordinator to hire his own staff. I think I can

993
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: just like drive the car to the airport for BIA.

994
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: He's not doing that.

995
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: Your your pitch is basically bills a defensive coordinator that's

996
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 3: allowed to call timeouts during the game.

997
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: That's your pitch.

998
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 3: Nailed it.

999
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: Look, I'm not saying it would be a bad setup,

1000
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: but he's not gonna do that.

1001
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: There's no way he would.

1002
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: But so that that's how that's how ridiculous that we've

1003
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 1: gotten to the point where like that's not even feasible,

1004
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: and like that's what it would really realistically need to be,

1005
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: and that that's just not What is a.

1006
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: Deep college football term? Uh h, I've actually only seen

1007
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 3: it written out. I don't know if you're supposed to

1008
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: pronounce it or hci n O. I don't know, hissinko

1009
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 3: oh head coach and name only. It's when a college

1010
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 3: football head coach is basically a figurehead and he's not

1011
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 3: really like he's there. He's calling timeouts on the sideline,

1012
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 3: he's doing the press conferences.

1013
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: But I just wish that, like my whole thing about

1014
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: it is is that I just wish that Bill would

1015
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: embrace being more like what Andy Reid is when in

1016
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: Kansas City, not this year because he's had to take

1017
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: back over the offense because the enemy's not there, but

1018
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: Kansas City with the enemy, like Andy Reid was literally

1019
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: just there for a good time. Like he just would

1020
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: show up to see you. Yeah, he would show up,

1021
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: He'd you know, QC everything, he'd draw fun plays like

1022
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: just let let Bill just like draw pressure schemes, you know,

1023
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: and like a game plan for like Patrick Mahomes and

1024
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: Josh Allen all the time, like right, all this other stuff,

1025
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: I just I don't know at this point, at seventy

1026
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: one years old, Like I don't know if Bill has

1027
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: has it in him anymore to have his hands in

1028
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: so many different things. So you have to empower other

1029
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 1: people to go out and do some of that stuff.

1030
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: That's that's I think what the bottom line is. It's

1031
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: nothing to do with like me trying to disrespect Bill's

1032
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: football mind, Like he obviously has a fantastic football mind

1033
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: and maybe the best ever. But I think at this

1034
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: point in his life he needs to allow some other

1035
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: people to do some other things. And I just wonder

1036
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: if if he could just embrace that type of role

1037
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: of Andy Reid, Pete Carroll, like these other guys that

1038
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: are just kind of out there and they're making sure

1039
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: that it's a tight ship. They're making sure that that

1040
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, the game plan and everything is getting done

1041
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: the proper way. And then they're also just having fun

1042
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: with scheme right right that that that's that all the

1043
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: like crazy crap that Kansas City does on offense, all

1044
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: that stuff gets cooked up in Andy Reid's mind because

1045
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: he's not focused on you know, signing claiming Marco Wilson

1046
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: off of waivers, right like that, that's not on his plate,

1047
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: like that type of you know, Nathan Rourke like that,

1048
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 1: that he's not worried about that kind of stuff. Whereas

1049
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: with Bill right now, it's all on Bill. Everything is

1050
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: on Bill to do at all. And I think at

1051
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 1: this point, maybe he's at his age, he's he's stretched

1052
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: too thin, and I don't think that that's a realistic

1053
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: scenario for him to accept that. Maybe, you if they

1054
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: really feel strongly about bringing back Bill, maybe he accepts

1055
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: like two out of three of those things, right, you know,

1056
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: instead of all of it. But that that would be.

1057
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: My pitch to him is that you need to start

1058
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: giving in to some of these other people, like you

1059
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: need to start giving some power, succeeding some power to

1060
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: some younger guys, some more visionary guys on the offensive

1061
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: side of the ball and allow them to take over

1062
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: because defensively, they're still really well coached defense. And whether

1063
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: you want to give that credit to Bill or the assistance,

1064
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: I think it's both right. But ultimately that's that's where

1065
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: he that's Bill's side of the ball. He's the defense

1066
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: of Gurud and and they're still really good. I mean,

1067
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: they just got Russell Wilson benched and probably cut by

1068
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos because by the third quarter the guy

1069
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: was seeing ghosts as Bill, you know, was scheming up

1070
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: pressure against the Broncos one of their better pressure games

1071
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: of the year, just in terms of cooking it up right,

1072
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: and that I think is is something that Bill can

1073
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: still really do at a high level. With Bailey ZAPPI

1074
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: I mentioned this earlier, and I feel like this is

1075
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: a this is kind of segues into it with me.

1076
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: I think with Bailey Zappy, I am no longer going

1077
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: to sit here and tell you that Bailey Zappy is.

1078
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not gonna take him lightly anymore. I

1079
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: feel like in the in the off season and training

1080
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: camp because of what we saw, and I still stand

1081
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: by what we saw at practice, But between last year

1082
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: and and the training camp this year, I will fully

1083
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: midhand up that I was very dismissive of Bailey Zappi.

1084
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: I was like, this guy is not it. I don't

1085
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: want to talk about it. I don't want to entertain

1086
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: Bailey Zappi as a star arting quarterback for the Patriots

1087
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 1: over Mac Jones. I'm not doing that. It's Max team

1088
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. I'm opening my mind up to

1089
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: embracing the FEVA right and embracing Zappy a little bit.

1090
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: But I still think he's a backup quarterback. Like I'm

1091
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: still not saying like we're hitching our wagon to Bailey Zappy.

1092
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: But he's got a little bit of something something like

1093
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: he can move around a little bit, He's got a

1094
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: little bit more gun slinger off platform, you know, broken

1095
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: extended play type of stuff to him than Mac Jones does.

1096
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: He just looks more natural playing quarterback like Mac Jones

1097
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: looks like a quarterback that's been drilling quarterback drill since

1098
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: the sixth grade, right, Like it's just like a quarterback

1099
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: robot right at this point, where when things happen in

1100
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: the course of a game with Mac Jones that he's

1101
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: not expecting to happen, like a pressure breaks through or

1102
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: they're playing a different coverage and then he self, you know, implodes,

1103
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: right right, Whereas with Bailey Zappy, he's got a little

1104
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: bit more of like a natural instinct in playmaking gene

1105
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: to the game. And I think that this offense needed that,

1106
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: Like they needed somebody that was just gonna play a

1107
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: little bit looser, and that is why I think that

1108
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: they've been a little bit better with Bailey ZAPPI.

1109
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, he kind of looks like Mac did his rookie

1110
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 3: year a little bit, I think before he obviously, you know,

1111
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 3: had to spend two years behind that offensive line.

1112
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1113
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 3: I like a big question this week has been with

1114
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 3: the Patriots be better if Bailey Zappie had started from

1115
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 3: week one. I don't think so, because of what you said,

1116
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: Like he struggled so much in camp, and he even

1117
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 3: talked about yesterday how it took him some time to

1118
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 3: learn the offense and get comfortable in the offense and

1119
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 3: could they have made the switch a little bit sooner, yes,

1120
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 3: But I think at that point, by the time Zappi

1121
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 3: was ready, they were who they were right, and it

1122
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 3: was they were not going to be a playoff team.

1123
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 3: And it's funny a lot of the same people complaining

1124
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 3: about draft positioning are the same people complaining, oh, they

1125
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 3: should have gone to Zafi sooner. Well, which one do

1126
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 3: you really want or do you just want to complain?

1127
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 3: I think with him, And it is the perfect year

1128
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 3: to talk about this. I think people think that it's like,

1129
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 3: for example, in Cincinnati, that Joe Burrow has this like

1130
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 3: vastly different skill set than a guy like Jake Browning has,

1131
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 3: And that's not necessarily the case. It's the biggest divider

1132
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 3: between a guy like Joe Burrow and a guy like

1133
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 3: Jake Browning or a guy like any of the other.

1134
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 3: Like when you have the class of like the Kirk

1135
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 3: Cousins right in that group and the Startersho've gone down

1136
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 3: this year and Deshaun Watson and then you have like

1137
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 3: Josh Dobbs and Jake Browning in that group, it's consistency,

1138
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 3: Like you don't get this far without being able to

1139
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 3: do some pretty spectacular stuff with the football, just in

1140
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 3: any regard to be a backup quarterback in the NFL,

1141
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 3: Tim Boyle had five touchdowns thirteen interceptions of the Yukon

1142
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 3: he's in the NFL. Part of it's because he's friends

1143
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 3: with Aaron Rodgers, but like, you have to be able

1144
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 3: to have some level of ability. The difference is like

1145
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 3: the throw Jake Browning made to t Higgins the other week,

1146
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 3: outstanding throw, but Jake Browning only makes that throw two

1147
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 3: of every ten times, three of every ten times, right,

1148
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 3: whereas Joe Burrow makes it eight or nine out of

1149
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 3: every ten times. That's the difference. When you have a

1150
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 3: guy like Bailey's Appy, Like I think Bailey's Appy's one

1151
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 3: of these guys. Tommy DeVito's another one right where Tommy

1152
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 3: DeVito was the hottest name in football for two weeks

1153
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 3: there and now he's benched because yes, he can do it.

1154
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 3: You don't get this far without being able to do

1155
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 3: some of those things. But he can't. He couldn't do

1156
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 3: it regularly and kind of once teams figured out what

1157
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 3: his comfort zone was, he didn't really have a plan

1158
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 3: B to go off of. I think that's who Bailey

1159
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 3: Zappy is, Yeah, he does have some abilities, and I

1160
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 3: do think he's gonna be in this league for a

1161
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 3: long time as a backup, as a bridge starter, like

1162
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 3: you know, a guy like Jacoby Verssett when he came

1163
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 3: out of the draft, they compare him to Chase Daniel,

1164
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 3: like he's gonna be around forever.

1165
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: Because I like, right now, I feel like he's like

1166
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: you know, Chase Daniel for might be before some people

1167
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: that actually listen to our show. Yeah, i'd like Taylor

1168
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: Heineke like another guy that I feel like that counts

1169
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: around as a back and there's.

1170
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely nothing wrong with that. But you see it the

1171
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 3: splits between the first half and the second half, and

1172
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 3: even in that game he had some miss throws, the

1173
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 3: miss reads. Yeah, it's just not consistent enough for to

1174
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 3: be like, all right, this is the guy we're gonna

1175
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 3: build around, this is the guy we're gonna Yeah.

1176
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: I think consistency is exactly the word that I would use,

1177
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: or like sustainability, because I think you can see it

1178
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: just in games from one half to the other or

1179
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 1: going back to like the Charger game versus this Broncos game.

1180
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: The biggest difference between the Charger game and this Broncos

1181
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: game was that DeVante Parker made the catches in the

1182
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: Broncos game. So in the against the Chargers, Bailey Zappi

1183
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: was one for five on deep passes. Against the Broncos,

1184
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 1: he was three for three. Like that, that's the difference.

1185
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 3: And some of those were like, I mean, one of

1186
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 3: those ones, he throws it just to a spot and

1187
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 3: Parker gets it, Like, I wouldn't say it's an outstanding throw,

1188
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 3: It's just Parker Parker.

1189
00:55:55,600 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: Parker, Parker makes a play this week. Pop Douglas to

1190
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: play down the field this week. But there's a reason

1191
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,479
Speaker 1: why those are called fifty to fifty balls. Some weeks

1192
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: it's gonna work. In some weeks it's not. And we

1193
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: see that half to half with Bailey Zappi. We see

1194
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: that from the Charger game to the Broncos game, like

1195
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: you can see it in tangible evidence of one half

1196
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: it works against the Steelers, the second half it doesn't

1197
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: work against the Steelers. And I feel like that's the

1198
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: way that his game is right now. So in order

1199
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: for me to really be like this guy deserves a

1200
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: chance to compete next year for the starting job, I

1201
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: need to see his consistency especially in the short game,

1202
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: which is where he's had issues in camp, and he's

1203
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: had those issues have continued into the regular season. He

1204
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: had three or four opportunities to beat the Blitz last

1205
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: week where they actually had it drawn up correctly, They

1206
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: had the hot and they had the protection going the

1207
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: right direction and he just airmails a throw, you know,

1208
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: second drive of the game, he has Pop Douglas in

1209
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: the flat and he just rushes the throw and it's

1210
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: nowhere near him. He had Pop Douglas later on in

1211
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: the game on a zero Blitz and the throw was

1212
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: nowhere near him. The play to Zeke in the flat.

1213
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: They ended up hitting it for the touchdown later on

1214
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: that it was a tough catch because the ball placement

1215
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: wasn't perfect and it was an open throw against the Blitz.

1216
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: That all he's got to do is put it on

1217
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott there and it might be a touchdown and

1218
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: instead it's a drop. And like those little things like that,

1219
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: if he can clean that stuff up and he can

1220
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: be more consistent, you know, he went to the podium

1221
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: yesterday and he brought up the Pharaoh Brown play down

1222
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: the field that he felt like he missed. You're gonna

1223
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: miss some reeds like that in the NFL. You know,

1224
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,919
Speaker 1: it happens to you needed to. You were a little

1225
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: bit sped up. The ball came out a little bit

1226
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: sooner than you wanted to. But once the ball comes out,

1227
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: everybody's converging on Zeke Elliott. And now all of a sudden,

1228
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: it looks like Farroh Brown is wide open down the field.

1229
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna knock him for all those little that

1230
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: those types of misses the reeds, as you know you

1231
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: would put it. It's more the throws that are an issue.

1232
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: Like when he gets it's and he's got Pop Douglas

1233
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: and Douglas sits down and is right, you know, five

1234
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: yards away from him, and he throws it all the

1235
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: way over here, Like you can't have that. Like he's

1236
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: got to be able to make those times.

1237
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 3: And the other thing is, and I think the reason

1238
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 3: maybe so many people are high on him because he

1239
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 3: does look much better than mac Jones obviously, and he's

1240
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 3: more confident in poised than Mac right, But the other

1241
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 3: the other part about it is, and this this is

1242
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 3: like better than mac Jones can't be the bar. It

1243
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 3: just can't. Like that's not that doesn't mean, yeah, right,

1244
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 3: And I think one of the big differences is Mac

1245
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 3: would get a rusher in his face and he'd throw

1246
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 3: a pick and he would just he couldn't well no, no, no,

1247
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 3: but here's my point. He couldn't get There were times

1248
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 3: too many times where he couldn't get the ball out

1249
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 3: of his hand fast enough. Yeah, and I think Bailey's appy.

1250
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 3: He's getting sacked a lot, and I think he's turning

1251
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 3: a lot of those into sacks. So it looks better

1252
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 3: because he's getting sacked instead of getting picked and maybe

1253
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 3: they go three and out, but hey, he's not throwing

1254
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 3: all these interceptions.

1255
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean his turnover worthy played rate is lower, right,

1256
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: and their explosive play rate has sky, right, But i'm.

1257
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 3: His turnover worth he plays play rate is lower, but

1258
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 3: he's taking a ton of sacks. And it's now, can

1259
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 3: you go get the guy that instead of turning those

1260
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 3: empty rushes into sacks, is gonna be able to break

1261
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 3: away and do something with it? Like that's the next step.

1262
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: I said, He's done that a little bit too, though,

1263
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: Like his pocket mobility is definitely a little bit but not.

1264
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 3: I still think that there's times where he's just holding

1265
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:18,919
Speaker 3: the ball way too long.

1266
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: Maybe. I I feel like his pocket mobility is probably

1267
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: his best trait, like his ability to bounce around the

1268
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: pocket and move off his spot and reset, Like the

1269
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: throw to Pop Douglas. You know, he has the rusher

1270
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: coming off the edge and he just steps through the

1271
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: pocket and makes a throw. I thought his best, you know,

1272
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,919
Speaker 1: bit of pocket mobility was the little checkdown to Zeke

1273
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: on the game winning drive. Vederian logets spun around by

1274
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: the edge rusher there and he's able to just kind

1275
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: of bob and weave out of the sack and then

1276
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: just make a little check down. That's a five yards

1277
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: that you know, that makes it a sixty yard field

1278
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: goal instead of a fifty six, Right.

1279
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 3: I just, I just he's You don't think there's still

1280
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 3: some like real deer in headlights moments him.

1281
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: Not in this game, No, may maybe a little bit

1282
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,479
Speaker 1: in Kansas City because they had, you know, Kansas City.

1283
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: I thought a lot of the issues that they had

1284
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: with picking up pressure were or pre snap mental things right,

1285
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: like setting mike points and things like that. And there

1286
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: were guys that I don't think he expected to be

1287
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: free that were free, like on the corner blitz like

1288
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: he didn't expect the corner blitz to come, and so

1289
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: he's you know, standing there and it's coming off his

1290
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: backside and he just never sees it coming, right, And

1291
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: so those types of plays. I see that. But I

1292
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: think that his his ability to move around the pocket,

1293
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: even with Mac at his best, I think is significantly

1294
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: better than Mac Jones.

1295
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and but again, like that's not the bar. I

1296
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 3: still just think it's been the year of the backup quarterback, right,

1297
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 3: all these guys having their fifteen minutes, Josh Dobbs, Tommy DeVito, Yeah,

1298
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 3: outside of Joe Flacco, which is its own thing. Yeah,

1299
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 3: I mean, I just I feel like Bailey's appy, that's

1300
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 3: you know, he's having us fifteen minutes right now. He's

1301
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 3: where Tommy DeVito was two weeks ago. He's where Josh

1302
01:00:58,760 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 3: Dobbs was a month ago.

1303
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: I could agree more. I he's got a six game

1304
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: sample size because he's gonna start the last two games

1305
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: of the year, right, so he's gonna have a six

1306
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: game sample size. And that's a lot bigger, obviously than

1307
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: the two games sample size that we got last year.

1308
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: So in six games, that's almost half a season, or

1309
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: at least a third of a season. I think we're

1310
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: in a position where we can really say is this

1311
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: a real thing or is this a flash in the pan.

1312
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: He's gonna play Buffalo, and then he's gonna play a

1313
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: pretty good Jets defense the week after that. Those are

1314
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: two a playoff team and a good defense. If he

1315
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: goes toe to toe with Josh Allen. Now Mac Jones

1316
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: did in Week seven. He went he won a game

1317
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: against Josh Allen going toe to toe with him. So

1318
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's something Mac has never done,

1319
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: but I there's gonna just you wait, like there's gonna

1320
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,439
Speaker 1: be a groundswell of people that are are gonna really

1321
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: be like why not? Why not? Bailey Zappi? And I

1322
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: just wanted us to kind of lay out right now,

1323
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: like why not Bailey Zappi? Like what are the biggest reasons?

1324
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: All right, let's take some phone calls and then we'll

1325
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: get to three up redown. Patty's been hanging on. What's up, Patty?

1326
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 4: What's going on? Guys? Can you hear me?

1327
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: Yes? We got you?

1328
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 4: All right, I'll take you out Bluetooth. So it's interesting

1329
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 4: what you guys were talking about as far as like

1330
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 4: the possibility of Bill coming back, because that's what I

1331
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 4: wanted to ask you. I mean, one thing we said,

1332
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 4: and we I mean, like the collective fans and what

1333
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 4: we've talked about on you before the season started. We said,

1334
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 4: if this team's gonna have great season, the mac Jones

1335
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 4: needs to take that next step. And it hasn't happened.

1336
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 4: So offensively, we're anep because the quarterback sucks and they

1337
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 4: made the switch way too late, which who knows what

1338
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 4: would happen, but they probably would have looked very similar.

1339
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 4: That being said, if mister Kraft does bring Belichick back,

1340
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 4: and I don't see a scenario where he brings them

1341
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 4: back and he's not the general manager, I mean he's

1342
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 4: got to say, Bill, look, we took the quarterback and

1343
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 4: he stunk up the plate. That's why that's why we

1344
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 4: that's why we suck here. We have to take a quarternick.

1345
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 4: We have to take another quarterback. And I mean, do

1346
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 4: you think do you think Phil would get his candies

1347
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 4: in a bunch if that was a case or do

1348
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 4: you think you do you think he recognizes what happened

1349
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty one. And I'll leave it with that,

1350
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 4: and great show guys is all.

1351
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: Thanks Patty. So here here's two parts of that question.

1352
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: I feel like, one, do I think that there's a

1353
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: chance that Bill is back, Yes, because I think just

1354
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: putting myself in in robber craft shoes, I think it's

1355
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: a lot easier to in the moment when the season's

1356
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: happening in like, let's just take Germany, because I know

1357
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: that that's the top current report, right, Like that was

1358
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: the final straw. You're sitting there in Germany. Mac Jones

1359
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: and Bailey's Abby just threw picks on back to back

1360
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: drives to lose the game and what's basically a home game.

1361
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: A lot invested into that game in terms of the

1362
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: organization and all that kind of stuff, and it's just

1363
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: it's just a terrible game, right, and you lose. It's

1364
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: a lot easier to come off of that and just

1365
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: say we need the fire bill right right than it

1366
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: is to get to January eighth. And Bill comes into

1367
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: your office to have that meeting that they have every

1368
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: single year of resetting, you know, state of the Union,

1369
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: Like what are we going to do? And Bill sitting

1370
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: across the table, like we're sitting across the table from

1371
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: each other, right now and to look Bill in the

1372
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 1: eyes and say you're fired, like you know, like, I

1373
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: think that that's we have to just look at it

1374
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: from a human perspective and say that that is to

1375
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,919
Speaker 1: tell the greatest head coach of all time, a guy

1376
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: that's won you six super Bowls, a guy that's had

1377
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: the unparalleled success that Bill Belichick has had here in

1378
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: New England, to sit across the table from that guy

1379
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: and say you're out, I think is a lot easier

1380
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: said than done. So yes, I think there's a chance

1381
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: that they get cold feet about the whole thing.

1382
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 3: And I think there's I think winning games down the

1383
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 3: stretch is only gonna help. Yeah.

1384
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that that I think is tough. Uh to

1385
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: answer the quarterback question. Uh, I think that that's I

1386
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: think that's gonna be Bill's argument. I think Bill's gonna

1387
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: go into that meeting and say, our quarterbacks stick, like

1388
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's what the problem was the problem was,

1389
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: is that that we don't have a good quarterback, Like,

1390
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: look at all these one score losses. Look at all

1391
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: these losses because we turned the ball over like crazy,

1392
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: Like you can you can talk yourself into I know

1393
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: a lot of the pro Zappi people have done this

1394
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: with Zappy like flipping games. Right, if you had better

1395
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 1: quarterback play, like you beat the Giants, you beat the Chargers,

1396
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: you beat the Colts in Germany. Quarterback like you do

1397
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: you Yeah, all of a sudden, you can talk yourself

1398
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: into well, actually, like the rest of this roster, Robert

1399
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: was really like a nine or ten win team, but

1400
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: we didn't have the quarterback kept on shooting us in

1401
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: the foot and that's what that's how it unraveled on us. Like, yeah,

1402
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: obviously you're not gonna flip the Dallas and New Or games,

1403
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 1: but the Raiders, the Colts, you know, the Chargers, the Giants.

1404
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: That's four wins right there. That if you told me,

1405
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: like you had Justin Herbert playing quarterback instead of Mac Jones,

1406
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: you could probably convince somebody that that you could flip

1407
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: those games. And that's exactly what I think Bill Belichick

1408
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 1: is going to say.

1409
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 3: Well, the problem is I think he's going to say

1410
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 3: and look, at the end of the year, Bailey's appy

1411
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 3: stopped turning the ball over. I don't think he's going

1412
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 3: to go in and say I need a new quarterback.

1413
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 3: I think he's going to say, ZAPPI didn't turn the

1414
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 3: ball over. That's the only thing that matters for us

1415
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 3: at the quarterback position. He doesn't turn it over. Let

1416
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 3: me get back at it. Let me keep building up

1417
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 3: this defense, let me rebuild the offensive line. Here we go,

1418
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 3: because Evan, we've talked about this on the show. His

1419
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 3: whole idea is a dominant defense, an offense that just

1420
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 3: doesn't turn. They got shut out six nothing by the Chargers,

1421
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 3: and he was talking about how the the defense didn't

1422
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 3: get them good enough field position. Yeah, right, the offensive

1423
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 3: score point. He comes out and he blames the defense, right,

1424
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 3: So I absolutely see that as a as a chape

1425
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 3: thing where he goes in he basically says, all right,

1426
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 3: Bailey's Appy's not going to turn the ball over, so

1427
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 3: the offense will be what I needed to be. Let

1428
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 3: me keep adding to the defense, let me fix the

1429
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 3: offensive line a little bit. I think there's a real

1430
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 3: chance if he comes back. You see the same offseasons

1431
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 3: last year where they add pieces to the defense, they

1432
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 3: tanker on the margins with the offense, and they just

1433
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 3: basically do the same offseason they just did around Bailey's

1434
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 3: Appy instead of around Mac Jones. That would it's not

1435
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 3: what I would do. If Bill comes back, it would

1436
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 3: not surprise me in the slightest.

1437
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's on the table. I understand

1438
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: that we have to, like realistically look at it. But

1439
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: we talked about it.

1440
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 3: If you bring Bill back, and bringing Bill backwarts at all?

1441
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 3: And if it, why is Bill going to change? If

1442
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 3: Bill comes back? Why is this year suddenly the wake

1443
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 3: up call that everything's going to be different? If I

1444
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 3: do that point, I don't just walk away.

1445
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if it will be a wake up

1446
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: call that he necessarily has on his own. I think

1447
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: that that has to be the agreement between him and

1448
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: ownership if there is a decision to come back, just

1449
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 1: kind of like last year, I think that they thought

1450
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: hiring Bill O'Brien was going to fix everything that this year,

1451
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: I think.

1452
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 3: That one psion. So what's the one? So he gets

1453
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 3: one concession? Last year was O'Brien? Is it the quarterback?

1454
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 3: This year? Is it tackle?

1455
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: Is it receiver? Yeah? I think what it would be

1456
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: being generally being more aggressive with adding offense, Like your Bill,

1457
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: your defense is set right, like you have your guys

1458
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 1: on defense. If you want to, you know, re sign

1459
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,759
Speaker 1: some of the guys on the margins. You know that's

1460
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: not gonna affect our caps. So like, go ahead if

1461
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: you want to resign Kyle Duggar, Like that's probably the

1462
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: biggest money I would spend.

1463
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 3: But I think it's gonna at that point, you're just

1464
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 3: gonna get tackles. You're gonna get another running back and

1465
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 3: you might get a tight end and that's it, Like

1466
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 3: you're not I I don't.

1467
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 1: Think I will and that, but that would be my

1468
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:44,759
Speaker 1: putt right like that you have to be more aggressive.

1469
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 3: But but I I think I mean he he he

1470
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 3: was on radio yesday and he raved about Bailey's Abbey,

1471
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 3: like raved about him. I think with Zappi's showing him

1472
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 3: right now, even in that Chiefs game, I think what

1473
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 3: he's seeing from Bailey z Appy now, like there's chance

1474
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 3: if he's back, Bailey's Appy is the unquestioned starter coming

1475
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 3: into camp next year.

1476
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: Oh I don't think so. I don't because I don't

1477
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: think organization would go for that. But I I is

1478
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: there a chance. But but this is my point, this

1479
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 1: is there a chance that it's Bailey Zappy. And I

1480
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: know you hate to hear this, but like bo Nicks,

1481
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 1: like it's it's Bailey Zappi.

1482
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 3: It's and Bailey Zappi basically, but like this is the

1483
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 3: but but this is my point.

1484
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not gonna happen.

1485
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,600
Speaker 3: Is there a world where okay, and I'm saying, like

1486
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 3: ownership should absolutely have that directive. I don't disagree with

1487
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 3: you on that. At that point, does Bill say, fine,

1488
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,480
Speaker 3: trade me? At that point, Bill say, you're not dictating

1489
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 3: how I handle the quarterback position.

1490
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 1: That's but it's not how I do it. It's not

1491
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 1: just quarterback. That's my point though, Right, it's not just quarterback.

1492
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: It's it's signing A T. Higgins. It's being more aggressive

1493
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: in the in the.

1494
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 3: He's gonna go to them and say, but he's gonna

1495
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 3: he's gonna come back and say, but we don't need Higgins.

1496
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:56,679
Speaker 3: We want to run the ball, we want to play physical,

1497
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 3: we don't need this deep threat. We want to just

1498
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 3: here's the door. Like I that's my point, and that's

1499
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 3: my point. I don't think those two things ultimately end up.

1500
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 3: It's one or the other. Bill's back. Bill's back to

1501
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 3: do it his way. They're gonna say, we want you

1502
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 3: to be better on offense. He's gonna say, fine, but

1503
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 3: I want to be better at offense the way I

1504
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 3: want to play offense.

1505
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see that's not good enough for me.

1506
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 3: Well then there you go.

1507
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1508
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,480
Speaker 3: I just don't think you're gonna suddenly turn Bill Belichick

1509
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 3: into Sean McVay. Maybe you will at that point, at

1510
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 3: that point, he'll go be Bill Belichick elsewhere I think

1511
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 3: as and you could argue like he has ever read

1512
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 3: to do that, and maybe that's what he should do,

1513
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 3: but I just don't see that happening.

1514
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 1: All right, Eddie is in LA. What's that? Betty's up?

1515
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 5: Guys? I know I'll to talk for this team right

1516
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 5: now is about the offense. But I'm don't gonna be wrong.

1517
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 5: Obviously that should be the talk. And Evan, like, I

1518
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 5: think in a perfect world, if we were in one,

1519
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 5: obviously this upcoming draft would be all offense. But I

1520
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,679
Speaker 5: can't help but think that we need at least depth

1521
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 5: pieces on defense. And I'm not saying he's the first

1522
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 5: round take on a on defense obviously not, but maybe

1523
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 5: like the later round picks, especially like on the D line,

1524
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 5: because I know.

1525
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 4: Christian Barmer is like he's coming up right now.

1526
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 5: But like and Bocha is also good. Betch Wise also good,

1527
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 5: but those guys are kind of getting, you know, a

1528
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,639
Speaker 5: little bit up there with the age, and I would

1529
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,640
Speaker 5: I just think it'd be like a good idea to

1530
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 5: take a backup d line, backup corners obviously that could

1531
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 5: like learn like the D lineman can learn from Gotcha,

1532
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 5: they can learn from Lawrence guy, they can learn from

1533
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 5: Dietrich Wise, maybe sit behind them for like a year

1534
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 5: at least, like they could learn a few moves, learn this,

1535
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 5: learn that, And I just think it could be so

1536
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 5: beneficial for the future. So I got for you guys.

1537
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 5: I'll let you guys talk about that a few as well.

1538
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, thanks Eddie. Yeah, I mean look that

1539
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:50,719
Speaker 1: you still obviously need to keep the cupboard stocked on defense,

1540
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 1: but I think the defensive line point like that's what

1541
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 1: Keon White is here for, right right, Like they drafted

1542
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: ke On White to develop him behind those guys. Could

1543
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 1: I gonna be blue in the face about them taking

1544
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,719
Speaker 1: an edge guy in the fourth round, Like, no.

1545
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,719
Speaker 3: Well you will be, but no, you will.

1546
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: Depends on what it depends on what they do in

1547
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 1: the first three.

1548
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 3: I guess I think that there's one starting caliber kind

1549
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 3: of need on defense, and that's free safety, and that's

1550
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 3: where not the first round pick, but if if they

1551
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 3: went there in the third round or you know, top

1552
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 3: one hundred, top one fifty pick premium contract, that to

1553
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 3: me is the one big needs a starting free sete.

1554
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 3: It just yeah, they're gonna have a couple. I will

1555
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 3: hang on because I actually want to ask you something.

1556
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 3: They're gonna have a couple other ancillary needs. Uh, they're

1557
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 3: gonna need another boundary corner. They're gonna need like a

1558
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 3: third rotational boundary corner. That guy you can get later

1559
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 3: on or you can get in free agency. They're probably

1560
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,719
Speaker 3: gonna need another depth pass rusher. Here's the one really

1561
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 3: interesting one. And nobody's really talking about this right now.

1562
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,600
Speaker 3: I think we touched on it briefly a show or

1563
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 3: two of them. But this is one of the first

1564
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 3: bit after you know, whoever is making the decisions first

1565
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 3: they got to decide just making the decisions whoever. That

1566
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 3: is one of the first big decisions that person has

1567
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 3: to make. And this is a tough one. Is what

1568
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 3: to do with Matthew Judon. He is gonna be thirty two. Yeah,

1569
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 3: he's coming off this injury. He has no guaranteed money

1570
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 3: in his contract next year, Yeah, the final year.

1571
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 1: Gonna want to He's gonna want some money.

1572
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 3: He is going to on a new deal. Uh, if

1573
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 3: they trade him, they open up or cut him.

1574
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: Actually it's the same. They open up five million dollars

1575
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: in cab cap spaces. Is that doesn't matter. Okay, they're

1576
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 1: gonna have one hundred million dollars in Okay. But the

1577
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: point being, like, what do you do you give Matthew

1578
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 1: jud On a new deal? Do you see if you

1579
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: can get value from him? Do you trade him?

1580
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 3: Do you just outright release him to avoid the whole

1581
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 3: thing if they move on for Matthew Judon and let's

1582
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,560
Speaker 3: say josh U j goes now pass rusher is a

1583
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 3: premium need Now pass Rusher, you're and that's why I

1584
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 3: know you don't want to hear it. But if Bill's

1585
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:49,600
Speaker 3: still in charge.

1586
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna jump across the table at you right now.

1587
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 1: Two years ago just like what are we doing? Like okay,

1588
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 1: so you you just you're worried about like what like

1589
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: that they're not going to be able to sack the

1590
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 1: quarterback now they're gonna be able to get to him.

1591
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 3: For two years ago, when they had a really good

1592
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 3: starting left guard and traded him for no reason and

1593
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 3: then use the first round pick to replace him.

1594
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 1: God, it's just this is the problem with this team though.

1595
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 1: And I think to Eddie's call, I hear you that

1596
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,679
Speaker 1: that they that they need to keep the cupboard stocked

1597
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: on defense. They don't have the luxury to operate like

1598
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:27,759
Speaker 1: that anymore. They have immediate holes, left tackle, quarterback, number

1599
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: one wide receiver. These are things that they need now

1600
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: and I and maybe five years ago, ten years ago,

1601
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 1: they could have operated in this scenario where they draft

1602
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 1: Nate Solder in the first round knowing that he's probably

1603
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 1: not gonna play because Matt Lighte is going to retire.

1604
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: They don't have that luxury.

1605
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 3: Scenes this is this is where I'm worried for. Like

1606
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 3: Bill comes in says, all right, it's the year two

1607
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 3: early or too late thing. We're moving on from Jude

1608
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 3: on and boom, I can get Dallas Turner and replace him.

1609
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 3: That's what I'd be worried about with Bill cop back.

1610
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: But that they can't think that way.

1611
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 3: I know the I and that's why I said them

1612
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 3: their biggest But isn't that isn't that wouldn't that be

1613
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 3: if nothing changes, wouldn't that be their approach if if if.

1614
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm rkk, i am, I am livid if they do,

1615
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: And that's my point, and that's my point. I fire

1616
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: him on this.

1617
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 3: But that that lines up, all right, that that thing aside,

1618
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 3: that thing aside, Yeah, do you bring Jude on back?

1619
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 1: I bring Jude on back simply because I feel like

1620
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: this team and this other than I like identifying talent

1621
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 1: personnel wise, I think the bigger issue with this team

1622
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 1: actually hasn't necessarily been recently in the draft, the twenty

1623
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: twenty two draft, like aside, right, it hasn't necessarily been

1624
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 1: solely talent evaluation. It's been the fact that they constantly

1625
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: are chasing their tails at premium positions, like they have

1626
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 1: not solved tackle. So every freaking year it's just a

1627
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 1: a you know, roll of dex of tackles that were

1628
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 1: just cycling through. Now it's now it's Trent Brown, Now

1629
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 1: it's Connor McDermott, now it's Vederian Low. Now we're kicking

1630
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: on when you back outside, like we're just we're constantly

1631
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 1: chasing our tail at tackles. They're constantly chasing their tail

1632
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: at guard like they just blew up their interior offensive

1633
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 1: line for no freaking reason. And now they're using a

1634
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: first round pick on a guard, a fourth round pick

1635
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 1: on a guard. The guard they're they're they're just going crazy,

1636
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 1: right because of a hole that they created wide receiver.

1637
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: They let Jacoby Myers walk, So then they have they

1638
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: have to pay Juju Smith Schuster because they let Jacoby

1639
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 1: Myers walk instead of just adding to Jacoby Meyers. We're

1640
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 1: constantly filling holes. And when you're constantly filling holes, your

1641
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: boat is constantly taking on water and you're just trying

1642
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,719
Speaker 1: to plug the holes in the boat. And I feel

1643
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: like for this team getting rid of Matthew Judhon and

1644
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: let's you have a let's just say, the only way

1645
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: that I'm like sitting here saying, all right, I get

1646
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 1: it is if you have a whole new regime next

1647
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 1: year and we're completely blowing it out and we're we're

1648
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 1: truly starting from scratch, and we're saying to ourselves like,

1649
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: this is this is a rebuilt right three year project? Right,

1650
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 1: this is a three year projects?

1651
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 3: What good does cheote on?

1652
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: Do you during that? Fine? But I just feel like

1653
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 1: we're constantly chasing our tails at so many different positions,

1654
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 1: and they don't have the luxury at the top of

1655
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: the draft to do the year too early instead of a

1656
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: year too late thing, and and draft guys like that.

1657
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 1: And I feel like they did do that last year

1658
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:32,600
Speaker 1: with Keon White, with Marty Mapu with City. So with

1659
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: all the light, those guys are all and it didn't

1660
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: help the team in the heid.

1661
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 3: I was a twenty twenty four draft. That draft was

1662
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 3: for twenty twenty four. So that's why I'm saying, like

1663
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 3: I just had this thought the other day when I

1664
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 3: was looking at chet on his contract, Like old school

1665
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,600
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick, this is one hundred percent what he would do.

1666
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 3: I would bring that to Jude on back. I think

1667
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 3: he's a valuable voice in the locker room. I think

1668
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 3: he can still play. Yeah, you know, I'm not saying

1669
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 3: his injury wasn't serious, but like it's easy to come

1670
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 3: back from elbow injury and like you know, a knee injury,

1671
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 3: hip injury, back injury, something like that. So I bring

1672
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 3: him back. I would bring him back, and I'd actually

1673
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 3: give him new money. I wouldn't just move money this

1674
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,680
Speaker 3: time to avoid the situation. But that is going to

1675
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 3: be a decision that has to be made here that's

1676
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 3: coming up. It's a fair point, all right, let's just

1677
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 3: sorry to bring it back like that would be. The

1678
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 3: free safety is the only true starting caliber need unless

1679
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 3: Jude on walks, then you add defensive end as well.

1680
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 1: Jeez. All right, let's do three up, three down real quick,

1681
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 1: and then we'll rapid fire through our rest of our

1682
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: list here. All right, I'll just like get out of those.

1683
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 1: I'll get it out of the way. Number one up

1684
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 1: is Christian Barmore. Christian Barmore. I've seen some really good

1685
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 1: defensive games from Patriots in my time covering the team

1686
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 1: since eighteen. You know, a couple of those Tefan Gilmour

1687
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 1: games in twenty nineteen is Defensive Player of the Year

1688
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 1: campaign come to mind. You know, he just absolutely erasing

1689
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 1: guys out of games and things like that. This was

1690
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 1: up there. To me, it was one of the best

1691
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: defensive performances I've ever seen in person, like with my

1692
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: own eyes. Right, I'm not talking about like Von Miller

1693
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl in twenty fifteen, or like Lawrence

1694
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:06,600
Speaker 1: Taylor in the eighties with the Giants, Like I'm not

1695
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: talking about that. I'm just saying in my time covering

1696
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 1: the team with my own eyes at the game, Christian

1697
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 1: bar Moore three sacks in the same quarter, two stuffs,

1698
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 1: I thought, the very first turnover on downs after the fumble,

1699
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 1: he basically took over the line of scrimmage for two

1700
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: straight plays and was the reason why the Broncos didn't

1701
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 1: score on that drive. Absolutely dominant, dominant performance. And I

1702
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 1: think we're at the point with Christian bar Moore where

1703
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 1: I think we can call him a star in this league.

1704
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 1: He is a star player. He's been doing it all

1705
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: year long, and he's gonna be a building block for

1706
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 1: this team moving forward. This is by far the most

1707
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 1: kind of exciting thing that's come from this season. Yeah,

1708
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 1: is that they have a pillar, I believe on the

1709
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 1: defensive line with Christian.

1710
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 3: Bar He's finally healthy and he's playing super well and

1711
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 3: it's fun to see. And this is the guy you

1712
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 3: saw coming out of Alabama. Everybody was surprised he fell

1713
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 3: out of the first round. This is why, because the

1714
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 3: three down game wrecking ability was apparent, and he really

1715
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 3: wasn't healthy his first two years, and now he is

1716
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 3: and you're seeing it.

1717
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get his run defense has just improved dramatically.

1718
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 1: He's stronger, I think at the point of attack than

1719
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 1: he was before. I'm sure there's some technique things that

1720
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 1: he's fixed his health, but he he always had the

1721
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 1: explosiveness off like his get off and his lateral quickness

1722
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,640
Speaker 1: and things like that. But now his ability to just

1723
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: like hold up blocks or run through blocks or that,

1724
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 1: just the power in his upper body. He has so

1725
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 1: much more pop in his hands than he did early

1726
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 1: on in his career. Just a dominant game wrecker. I

1727
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 1: would encourage all all Patriots fans to hashtag Pro Bowl

1728
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 1: vote Christian Barmore because he should be in the Pro Bowl,

1729
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 1: all right, Number two up for me. Gotta give it

1730
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 1: to him, Gotta give him his flowers. I'm gonna give

1731
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:54,679
Speaker 1: it to Bailey Zappi. I thought Bailey Zappi didn't wasn't

1732
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:57,679
Speaker 1: perfect in this game. The fumble in the very first

1733
01:20:57,720 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 1: play of the game. I maybe would put like half

1734
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: of that on him for holding the ball a little

1735
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 1: bit too long. But I also thought that a good

1736
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 1: offensive line allows him to come off the first raid

1737
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 1: and get to pop Douglas over the middle of the field.

1738
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 1: But they don't have that kind of time. Other than that, play. Yeah,

1739
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 1: we can nitpick some of the miss throws that we

1740
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier against the Blitzes, and you know, a couple

1741
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 1: of misses there. But when you put up these kinds

1742
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 1: of numbers and you play the way that he played,

1743
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 1: and then you also have you know, the plays late

1744
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 1: in the game to win the game. I thought, Bailey

1745
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: ZAPPI played one of the best quarterback games. You know,

1746
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 1: Mac Jones against Buffalo is still the best quarterback game

1747
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 1: of the year, but I thought that this might have

1748
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 1: been the second best quarterback game of the year.

1749
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was. He was definitely good in this game.

1750
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 3: More good than bad, I think. Yeah, all right, who

1751
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 3: was your second Miles Bryant? Miss Bryant bailed him out

1752
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 3: in this game. And him playing competitively against Courtland Sutton

1753
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 3: was early before Sutton got hurt. Was good to see.

1754
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 3: And I just didn't leave the field, made number of

1755
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 3: big plays. I think, if there's a game to point too,

1756
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 3: where with my Bryan's value is to the Patriots, that

1757
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 3: was it put him anywhere, heady, instinctive exactly. He just

1758
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 3: always around the ball. I thought he was. He was excellent.

1759
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, his man coverage numbers are still terrible. Like I'm

1760
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:17,679
Speaker 1: just gonna still can't cover anybody in man coverage.

1761
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 3: He's the same. I still think he's a safety. I

1762
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 3: still truly believe he's a safety.

1763
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:26,719
Speaker 1: Yeah he's he's a nickel, but he's like a nickel safety.

1764
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 1: He's not a nickel corner, right, And there's a difference, Like, yeah,

1765
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,680
Speaker 1: nickel corners are guys that can man up slot receivers.

1766
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 1: He's not one of those guys. It's interesting because he's

1767
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 1: had a really good Patriots career and like kind of

1768
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:42,599
Speaker 1: an upward ascension here with this is being I think

1769
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 1: his best year, but he really probably belongs in like

1770
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 1: his own defense. Like if you if he was playing

1771
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 1: in like a Seattle three system or like Fangio's like

1772
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: quarter to quarter half system, like he would be so

1773
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 1: much better. But because the Patriots play forty percent man coverage,

1774
01:22:58,240 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: like he just has to play some man to man

1775
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: and he's just not his strong suit. But he's a

1776
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 1: nickel safety and like a Fangio defense, and he'd be

1777
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 1: like really good at that, like somebody like Chauncey Gardner

1778
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 1: Johnson for example, or or along those lines. They just

1779
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 1: have they have to play him in this spot and

1780
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 1: it's not it's not exactly like his best natural position,

1781
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 1: and I think that's a big reason why he gets

1782
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 1: picked on in man cover.

1783
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 3: A little breaking news Patriots move practice and such.

1784
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 1: I love that. Thank god, I was not going out

1785
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 1: there all right. Third Star, I kind of combined two

1786
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 1: guys here, Pop Douglas and DeVante Parker. I thought both

1787
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: those guys made some really high level plays that we

1788
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:38,600
Speaker 1: haven't really seen the Patriots receivers make. DeVante Parker, for

1789
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 1: all of his warts and all of his issues and

1790
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 1: all of his limitations as a separator, going and making

1791
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 1: two big catches on Patrick Sartan, one of the top

1792
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 1: five cornerback in this league, and doing it with the

1793
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 1: game on the line late that that's that's some pretty

1794
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 1: that's ballsy like that. That's some gutsy play right there.

1795
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: Bailey Zappi and him, I don't know if you want

1796
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 1: to call it. You know, they checked it, alerted it

1797
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 1: to that fade on the game winning drive with the

1798
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,639
Speaker 1: game on the line, in a tie game on the road,

1799
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 1: and they checked to a fade to Devonte Parker against

1800
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 1: maybe the best cornerback in the NFL, and they make

1801
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: the play. You gotta give him their flowers for that

1802
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 1: like that. That was a really impressive play and even

1803
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 1: though he had the drop, I just think Pop Douglas

1804
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 1: is such a breadth of fresh air for this football team. Finally,

1805
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 1: a receiver that moves at a different speed than other guys,

1806
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 1: that's faster than people that can get open at the

1807
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 1: top of the route, the whip route, the slant. Obviously

1808
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 1: made a great catch on the forty one yard catch

1809
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 1: as well, But just having that slot receiver. He's a

1810
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:45,719
Speaker 1: different type of slot than like a Jacobi certainly because

1811
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 1: of the size, but even then like an Edelman Ara Welker.

1812
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 1: I feel like he's mostly like a Dionne branch Ish

1813
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 1: type of player. But just watching a Patriots receiver be

1814
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 1: able to like run away from coverage and get open

1815
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 1: against mant to man, it's for he.

1816
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 3: Was really good in this game. He was and he

1817
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 3: continues to be. I've said this before, the Patriots offense

1818
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 3: needs to look different next year. What exactly it looks like,

1819
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, it depends on so many things,

1820
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 3: but whatever coach is designing it or whatever quarterbacks put

1821
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 3: into it, like there needs to be a role for

1822
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 3: Pop Dougas in a significant role. He's the best receiver. Yeah,

1823
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 3: and I mean he's their leading receiver right now. Nobody

1824
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 3: has more catches of the yards and overall, like ahead

1825
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 3: of Hunter Henry, ahead of everybody.

1826
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 1: All Right, you got anymore?

1827
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 3: I got two more? Mac Wilson another very good game.

1828
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting on Tuesday that Girod Mayo

1829
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 3: basically said that they misused him last year, that they

1830
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 3: were playing him out of position last year, and he's

1831
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 3: playing some of the best football of his NFL career

1832
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 3: looking like the guy he did at Alabama as a

1833
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 3: complimentary pass rusher. He's a guy I wonder if you

1834
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 3: expand that role next year, if Josh j doesn't come

1835
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 3: back and he becomes that guy opposite Matthew Judah. Yeah,

1836
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 3: he is it even discount I mean, he looks really

1837
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 3: good right now.

1838
01:25:57,439 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 1: So he hasn't played enough snaps, all right, but he's

1839
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 1: only playing like twenty five snaps a game or something

1840
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 1: like that. He's just making the most of the snaps.

1841
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 3: That he's a guy that should be back.

1842
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's not. He's going to be affordable, Like,

1843
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 1: it's not like it's gonna cost you a ton of money.

1844
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 3: And then so I didn't have Pop Douglas because I

1845
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:16,839
Speaker 3: just I think you saw great stuff from the majority

1846
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 3: of rookie class in this game. I think you saw

1847
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 3: the rookie class really start to come on. Keon White

1848
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 3: has had like three good games in a row now,

1849
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 3: and I think, remember get a really good camp. Was

1850
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 3: good the first couple of weeks. He got that concussion, right,

1851
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 3: I think it probably took him a little bit of

1852
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 3: time toward his way back from that. But he looks

1853
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 3: fully healthy out. He's playing super well. Marte Mapu forces

1854
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 3: a turnover for the second week in a row. You

1855
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 3: love to see that. And he's playing more linebacker now,

1856
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 3: which is good.

1857
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:39,640
Speaker 1: Uh.

1858
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 3: Obviously, Pop Douglas, you know, had a big game. I

1859
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 3: thought City So played pretty well. Yeah, Antonio Maffi stepping

1860
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:51,599
Speaker 3: in for his you know, the most significant snaps he's

1861
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 3: had in a while. He could have been better, but

1862
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 3: like he was, it wasn't as bad as it looked.

1863
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 3: I'd say a month, Oh you have him as down.

1864
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,719
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, I maybe the bar was set solow

1865
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 3: from like last time he played. But yeah, and then

1866
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 3: he Bryce Baringer I thought had a really good game too.

1867
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:07,720
Speaker 3: Ryland was kind of up and down. But I think

1868
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 3: for the most point.

1869
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 1: Oh, come on, how about Chad the show I've ever heard?

1870
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 3: But he missed, he missed, he missed two kicks. So

1871
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 3: he's not an up or down for me. He's it's

1872
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 3: in between.

1873
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 1: But I think I'm happy.

1874
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:22,600
Speaker 3: I'm happy for Oh no, no, you're wrong, I'm happy for

1875
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 3: the guy.

1876
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 1: But and Bryce Behinger saying how about Chad.

1877
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 3: That's a great clip.

1878
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, they the two of them together, it reminds me

1879
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,640
Speaker 1: a ton of Jeremy Swamon and Linas Olmark. There's a

1880
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:36,679
Speaker 1: little bit of that, just like two like nut jobs

1881
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 1: that like are just made for each other. It's just great.

1882
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 1: I think those two guys who knows, like what what

1883
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 1: the future holds and if both of them are going

1884
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 1: to succeed here. Both of them aren't like whatever, but

1885
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 1: their relationship is pretty funny, Like they're like just two

1886
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 1: peas in a pod.

1887
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think you saw great stuff from the

1888
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 3: rookie class.

1889
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that. All right, let's go

1890
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 1: to the downs. My number one down is the guy

1891
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:07,639
Speaker 1: that you just said, wasn't that bad? Antonio Maffi offensive

1892
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 1: line guy, Antonio Maffi three holds, a quarterback hit and

1893
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 1: three hurries in this game he.

1894
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:16,480
Speaker 3: Called for three holds.

1895
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 1: I put, Oh yeah, I put Antonio Maffi and James

1896
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:23,799
Speaker 1: Ferrence in just a left guard puzzle.

1897
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 3: So I had James Ferrence.

1898
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 1: They're just in the left guard puzzle for me. And

1899
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 1: it is very I don't know if it's like a

1900
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 1: good thing, a bad thing, an alarming thing. I don't

1901
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:37,879
Speaker 1: know how to feel about it. But the fact that

1902
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 1: that there was that steep of a drop off from

1903
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 1: Cole Strange to what they have behind Cole Strange, I

1904
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 1: think just speaks to the whole problem in general with

1905
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 1: the team right now. That like losing Cole Strange and

1906
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 1: losing Connor McDermott was like this huge travesty for the Patriots,

1907
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 1: right And we're not exactly talking about Matt Ltton logan

1908
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 1: makings here, okay, And the fact that that was the

1909
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 1: case was troubling. There was and maybe it means that

1910
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,719
Speaker 1: Cole Strange, you know, I started giving cole Strange some love,

1911
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 1: like a couple of good games in a row. Seemed

1912
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 1: to be playing better before he got hurt. Maybe cole

1913
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 1: Strange was starting to turn a corner. And that's why

1914
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 1: my eyes are like so alarmed by what I saw

1915
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 1: left guard with these two guys. The strip sack on

1916
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 1: the first play of the game was the least competitive

1917
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 1: snap of offensive line play I've seen all Yeah, from

1918
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 1: James ference just absolutely brutal. And then Mafi, Mafi's just

1919
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 1: not ready, Like Mafi's just not ready his foot speed,

1920
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to lose some weight and he's gonna

1921
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 1: have to get it. He's gonna have to improve his

1922
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 1: quickness and his foot speed in order to play in

1923
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:43,719
Speaker 1: the league. So those two guys at left guard. Maybe

1924
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 1: it's a positive that Cole Strange is better than we thought.

1925
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a negative that their offensive line depth is

1926
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 1: so bad. But both of them were bad in this game.

1927
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just had to like to run the run game. Yeah,

1928
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 3: they ran for outside of the end a round. I

1929
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 3: think it was to here somewhere two point five yards

1930
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:06,640
Speaker 3: per carry against a team that was last in the

1931
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 3: legs over five yards per carry.

1932
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 1: So I think we're in the in the category now though,

1933
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 1: because the Chiefs were not a good run defense either,

1934
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 1: and they couldn't run the ball. They couldn't run the

1935
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 1: ball against the worst run defense in the league in

1936
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 1: the in the Broncos. I think we're just at the

1937
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 1: category or at the point now where the Patriots are

1938
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:25,679
Speaker 1: in that category of priority Number one for every team

1939
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 1: is we're.

1940
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 3: Not stopped to run. Yeah, they're just they're loading up

1941
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 3: in the box and Derek.

1942
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:33,480
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm basically just throwing out like opponents

1943
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,720
Speaker 1: like run stats, like where they rank and stuff like that,

1944
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:39,720
Speaker 1: because I don't think it's an apples to apples when

1945
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 1: they play play the Patriots, like Zeke Elliott is not

1946
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:46,639
Speaker 1: beating the Denver Broncos. Like That's Vance Joseph's line when

1947
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 1: he opens the meeting, right is, we're not going to

1948
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 1: just let them turn the ball, you know, turn around

1949
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 1: and hand the ball off to Zeke. Like, we're not

1950
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:55,680
Speaker 1: going to let them do that. So you had you

1951
01:30:55,720 --> 01:31:00,720
Speaker 1: had run game? Yeah, okay. Number two, Trent Brown, I

1952
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 1: just I I think we can seriously say, and I

1953
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 1: know I've ragged on him a lot on this show,

1954
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:10,800
Speaker 1: but I'm at the point now with Trent Brown where

1955
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 1: I like he should be done as a Patriot, Like

1956
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 1: he shouldn't play again as a Patriot. A quarterback hit

1957
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:21,560
Speaker 1: a hurry, two stuffed runs to his side of the field,

1958
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 1: gave up on the Taekwon Thornton jet sweep, just flat

1959
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:28,679
Speaker 1: out gave up, didn't play through the whistle. If Dante

1960
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:32,600
Speaker 1: Scarnecia was still here, I can only imagine Dante Scarnekia.

1961
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think Trent Brown would be playing with still.

1962
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 1: It's his effort has gone way down. I think his

1963
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 1: weight has gone up again. Like I don't think he's

1964
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, as in good as shape as he was

1965
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the year. He is a good

1966
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:52,719
Speaker 1: left tackle, a starting caliber left tackle in this league

1967
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:55,759
Speaker 1: when he's locked in, but he he's a mental case,

1968
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 1: like you just you can't keep that guy on on

1969
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 1: the on the bandwagon. Yeah, and at a four and

1970
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 1: eleven team, he's exactly the type of guy that's gonna

1971
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 1: jump off and and that's exactly what happens. They just

1972
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 1: need to move on from that type of player with

1973
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:12,559
Speaker 1: that type of attitude, and they need to have somebody

1974
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 1: like at this point, it's I'm almost like bummed out

1975
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 1: that Connor mcdermot's on IR because, like I would rather

1976
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 1: just see Connor McDermott try his ass off for seventy

1977
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 1: plays then continue to put Trent Brown.

1978
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 3: Maybe you'll get that from Vederian Love maybe.

1979
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I would just rather see that, Like at

1980
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 1: least the guy's giving all out effort. At least he's trying.

1981
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:32,840
Speaker 1: Trent Brown is my second death?

1982
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 3: You got, uh Brennan school or Chris Board?

1983
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 1: Oh there just third down?

1984
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well my third down you're gonna roll your

1985
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 3: eyes at. But another mistackle for Brennan' Schooler on the

1986
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:45,559
Speaker 3: big punt return Chris Board just a bizarre penalty running

1987
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 3: out of bounds.

1988
01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1989
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 3: Uh, They're still not good at kit coverage is still

1990
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:51,839
Speaker 3: an issue. The kick coverage is still a massive issue,

1991
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:54,639
Speaker 3: and that's a group that needs to be get ready. People.

1992
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 3: They're gonna have to sign special teams this offseason because

1993
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 3: the ones they have now aren't good enough. So I

1994
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 3: actually kind of want them. It's not their main priority,

1995
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 3: and it shouldn't be the only thing they do, but

1996
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:05,000
Speaker 3: they need to get some kick coverage guys in here,

1997
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:08,640
Speaker 3: because they're seriously struggling in that regard right now. And

1998
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 3: I just I don't see Matthew Slater coming back at

1999
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 3: this point.

2000
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 1: So the problem is is that these are They're not

2001
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:18,879
Speaker 1: just struggling within the margins. These are like backbreaking issues,

2002
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 1: Like a fifty two yard punt return is a big

2003
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 1: deal in a game. Chris Board's penalty cost them what

2004
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 1: nineteen yards of field position? That's a big deal. Like

2005
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 1: those are yards that really matter and field position that

2006
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 1: really matters. I had them too as my third down.

2007
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 1: And you know, if I had special teams guys on

2008
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 1: my down list, then it's got to be really bad.

2009
01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:41,360
Speaker 1: Chris Board signed to be a special team's ace. Yeah,

2010
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 1: I've only heard his name called when he's when he's

2011
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 1: getting called for a penalty all year long. And I

2012
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 1: want to seriously ask you, as the special teams guy

2013
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 1: on the program, what do they do with Brandon Schooler?

2014
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:56,960
Speaker 1: Because he was this like Matthew Slater heir apparent right,

2015
01:33:57,400 --> 01:33:58,519
Speaker 1: He's had a horrible year.

2016
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a guy I think that has to win

2017
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 3: his job in camp next year and win his job

2018
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 3: in the preseason. It's that simple. I'm not you know,

2019
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:06,599
Speaker 3: he's not a roster lock next year. If we were

2020
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 3: to do Ross Projess twenty twenty four, I probably wouldn't

2021
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:09,479
Speaker 3: have him on the right.

2022
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean penalties a mistackle, and I'll say, if

2023
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:14,679
Speaker 1: it's a new coaching staff, he's gone.

2024
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 3: He's I just don't see a keep around.

2025
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 1: I think that his biggest problem right now is just

2026
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 1: undisciplined play. Like he he plays fast and you want

2027
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 1: him to play he plays too fast.

2028
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:26,400
Speaker 3: He needs to stop and think about what he's like

2029
01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 3: in cam Acord kind of talked about it. It's just

2030
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:30,680
Speaker 3: like we like the high motor, but it has to

2031
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:32,839
Speaker 3: be in control. He just plays totally out of control.

2032
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:36,759
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and in that it's on special teams. Playing

2033
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:40,559
Speaker 1: that out of control is really bad because that's how

2034
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 1: you're giving up fifty two yards.

2035
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:43,719
Speaker 3: It's all contained, it's all you can't blow contain.

2036
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, who's your last one?

2037
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:48,439
Speaker 3: Sean Payton? I actually lost respect for Sean Payton too

2038
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:49,000
Speaker 3: a little bit.

2039
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:50,880
Speaker 1: And I kind of said it last week when we

2040
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:53,719
Speaker 1: were talking about this game that I just on film.

2041
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 1: I just wasn't overly impressed with the offense that they

2042
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 1: were running.

2043
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not talking about anything scommatically.

2044
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:00,599
Speaker 1: I get at their offense is pre no, but I'm

2045
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 1: just saying, like he's supposed to be this, yeah, this,

2046
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 1: like he's held to that that Belichick mystique of offensive mine,

2047
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 1: and they're just like running this like boring dinosaur offense.

2048
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:14,719
Speaker 1: And then I'm sure you have your like in game reasons.

2049
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:16,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, this is closet you break down the scheme,

2050
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:18,719
Speaker 3: and then I get all annoyed because, all right, first off,

2051
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 3: first and goal from the six, you're gifted a possession. Yeah,

2052
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 3: one offensive genius Sean Payton just score a touchdown in

2053
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 3: three plays. Yeah, but when he didn't, you take the points, dude,

2054
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 3: You take the points to take three position.

2055
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:34,840
Speaker 1: You know the nerds aren't taking the points.

2056
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 3: You take the points. All right, we'll get to that.

2057
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:37,760
Speaker 3: We were we were gonna get to the nerds. Oh

2058
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:38,759
Speaker 3: don't you worry.

2059
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:40,400
Speaker 1: We were gonna get to We couldn't do a show

2060
01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:42,639
Speaker 1: without ragging on the nerds. It's not possible.

2061
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 3: Late in game, bron Patriots tie the game up, or sorry,

2062
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 3: broncus ty the game up. Forced Patriots punt. They get

2063
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 3: the ball back one forty two to go start at

2064
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:53,719
Speaker 3: their own thirty nine. You need to go thirty yards

2065
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:56,639
Speaker 3: for field goal position, like not a massive ask one

2066
01:35:56,760 --> 01:36:00,080
Speaker 3: for two to go, three timeouts. You're it's right in

2067
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:03,440
Speaker 3: your lap and they come out with the most overly

2068
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 3: conservative offensive sequence of play calling. That screen that was

2069
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:11,360
Speaker 3: I don't know who designed that screen fire them like Peyton.

2070
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 3: That was brutal. That was absolutely brutal.

2071
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:16,519
Speaker 1: They just sound on it like nothing more than just

2072
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 1: trashing on coaches that he doesn't like, Like nobody exactly.

2073
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:24,599
Speaker 1: I'm a big Sean Payge, like Brandon Staley anymore. We're

2074
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:27,920
Speaker 1: gonna get to Brandon Sae, get to Brandon Staley, don't

2075
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:28,519
Speaker 1: you worry.

2076
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 3: But and I like Sean Payton, I I like Chempayne.

2077
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 3: I always like those Saints teams. Like it hurts me

2078
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 3: to do this, but I have to be consistent. They

2079
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:37,679
Speaker 3: come out, I mean, am I wrong with the most

2080
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 3: overly conservative when you just have to go thirty yards

2081
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:42,720
Speaker 3: or three timeouts? They're running the ball, they're throwing screens, nothing,

2082
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:45,479
Speaker 3: they punt the ball away and then the Patriots are

2083
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:46,519
Speaker 3: content to go to overtime.

2084
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Patriot.

2085
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 3: And in that moment, there's a little less than a

2086
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:53,560
Speaker 3: minute ago, patrins only one time out. Patriots run the

2087
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 3: ball and they start calling timeouts in that moment and

2088
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:59,679
Speaker 3: lets get out. Patriots have nothing to lose, nothing loose.

2089
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:02,479
Speaker 3: Brutal Patriots have nothing to lose to broncras of everything

2090
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 3: to lose, and the Patriots are the only team that

2091
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 3: can win the game in that spot. They're comfortable going

2092
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 3: to overtime. Sean Payton says, no, no, we're gonna call

2093
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 3: time out. It would be one thing if like the

2094
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:13,639
Speaker 3: offense is humming and you want the ball back because

2095
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:15,639
Speaker 3: you can go down the field. Sean, you just had

2096
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:17,680
Speaker 3: a chance to win the game. You sat on it.

2097
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:20,599
Speaker 3: That was your shot. You don't start calling timeouts now.

2098
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 3: So he calls two timeouts. Patriots are like, all right, fine,

2099
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:25,519
Speaker 3: I guess if you want us to win the game.

2100
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 3: Boom fade shot to DeVante Parker, which is great play

2101
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:30,720
Speaker 3: by Parker, and Zappy to Reckon, they go sorry, they

2102
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:32,760
Speaker 3: go press man. They go press man on.

2103
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:35,320
Speaker 1: Third and five. Joseph in the time of his life.

2104
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 3: I mean, they go press man on third and five,

2105
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 3: trying to get the game to go in overtime, and

2106
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:43,600
Speaker 3: Bailey's Appy sees that, like, I guess you can't. And

2107
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:45,000
Speaker 3: it's a good throat. It's a good catch, but like

2108
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:48,639
Speaker 3: hand the game to them schematically anymore than that finally

2109
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:50,479
Speaker 3: gets down the field. You have a kicker who is

2110
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:53,800
Speaker 3: shaking in his boots having to kick fifty six yards

2111
01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:56,880
Speaker 3: on the road. Sean Payton doesn't call the timeouts ice

2112
01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, but to call the time them out

2113
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 3: here here's the overarching point. The Patriots are the only

2114
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 3: team that could win the game in regulation after the

2115
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:10,040
Speaker 3: Broncos punted. The Broncos gave up their chance to do

2116
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 3: that with that overly conservative offensive sequence, and Sean Payton

2117
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 3: calls timeouts with the playoffs on the line to give

2118
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:19,679
Speaker 3: the Patriots a chance to win the game and essentially

2119
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:22,600
Speaker 3: knock the Broncos out of out of playoff contention. You

2120
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 3: know what that reminded me a ton of Evan and

2121
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 3: I said it the second he called the first time out.

2122
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 3: Brandon Staley in twenty twenty one in the overtime, b

2123
01:38:32,479 --> 01:38:35,439
Speaker 3: you you just okay? Do you remember I can't even

2124
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:38,240
Speaker 3: get mad? Do you remember when Brandon Staley did in

2125
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 3: that game? The Raiders are the only team that can

2126
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:43,559
Speaker 3: win the game. They're in overtime. A tie sends them

2127
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:45,400
Speaker 3: both to the playoffs, but if team.

2128
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Speaker 1: Wins job anymore team wins shots.

2129
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:50,960
Speaker 3: If one team wins, the Steelers get the other spot.

2130
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:55,080
Speaker 3: The Raiders are Sachi is ready to go to overtime,

2131
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:56,840
Speaker 3: and he's sitting there saying, hey, we're both gonna go

2132
01:38:56,840 --> 01:38:59,160
Speaker 3: to the playoffs. This is pretty cool. And Brandon Staley,

2133
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:02,240
Speaker 3: that idiot starts calling timeouts and the Raiders like, fine,

2134
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:03,880
Speaker 3: if you're gonna give us another first down and we'll

2135
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:05,840
Speaker 3: be in field goal range, I guess we can win

2136
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:06,240
Speaker 3: the game.

2137
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:10,559
Speaker 1: It was somewhere Brandon Staley is like sitting on a

2138
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:14,479
Speaker 1: beach and he's just like still trying to all time out, still.

2139
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:18,679
Speaker 3: Not defending a run game. It was a Brandon Staley

2140
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 3: esque performance from Sean Payton. It kills me to say that,

2141
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 3: because he is a coach I do like a lot,

2142
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:26,439
Speaker 3: but I respect him less after that game because that

2143
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:29,639
Speaker 3: was to call those times out. I'm like, I'm sitting

2144
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:32,160
Speaker 3: there literally yelling what are you doing? And my brother's like,

2145
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:33,559
Speaker 3: he wants the ball. I'm watching him, and my brother

2146
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 3: goes he wants the ball back. I'm like, why why?

2147
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:38,000
Speaker 3: He just they just punted on the game with that

2148
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:41,280
Speaker 3: series support. So it's like he realized all of a sudden, oh, shoot,

2149
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:42,760
Speaker 3: we can still win this. We need to get the

2150
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:47,000
Speaker 3: ball back. Brutal, brutal stuff from Sean Payton in his wheelhouse.

2151
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 1: I I thought that that Bill Belichick and Drod May

2152
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:54,640
Speaker 1: and Steve uh just coach circles.

2153
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 3: Around here, circles. They needed to get one of those

2154
01:39:57,200 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 3: heavy duty washing machines to clear the circles off the

2155
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:03,400
Speaker 3: turf out of power field. The way they were coaching

2156
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 3: circles around.

2157
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 1: It was bad. They So the Saint are the Saints.

2158
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:13,280
Speaker 1: The Broncos had those like toss plays early, right, and

2159
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:16,519
Speaker 1: they're running toss and I actually was like, all right,

2160
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:19,920
Speaker 1: Like that's a pretty good approach here in the game plan,

2161
01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:22,519
Speaker 1: because you don't want to run right at the Patriots

2162
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 1: run defense. You're not going to write Anthony Jennings Devon Godshow,

2163
01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 1: bar More Bentley, like good luck trying to run between

2164
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:32,080
Speaker 1: the tackles against the Patriots right now. So what do

2165
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:34,640
Speaker 1: they do. They put the DB's in the fit, They

2166
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:37,680
Speaker 1: toss the ball outside and they make Miles Bryant and

2167
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:42,920
Speaker 1: Sean Waite and those guys tackle people. Fine, good game plan.

2168
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:46,120
Speaker 1: That was literally all they had. That was it. They

2169
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:50,080
Speaker 1: had nothing else. And Bill and Steve and Girod are

2170
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 1: running sim pressures right. They're putting six seven guys up

2171
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:55,120
Speaker 1: with the line of scrimmage and they're dropping guys out,

2172
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:59,080
Speaker 1: Russian guys, and Russell Wilson looked like his head was spinning. Look,

2173
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:02,759
Speaker 1: we just Donald out there, and I'm just thinking to myself,

2174
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 1: isn't this is offensive guru Sean Pailey. And usually when

2175
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:09,960
Speaker 1: offensive guys like that take a year off, they like

2176
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 1: go in the lab, right like they they go and

2177
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:14,840
Speaker 1: they go on like a little tour and they go.

2178
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:17,680
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay and

2179
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:21,920
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel and you know, all these offensive gurus Andy Reid,

2180
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 1: and they like learn stuff. They they absorb.

2181
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 3: Sean McVay just went to Brandon Staley School of clock management.

2182
01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:32,679
Speaker 1: They absorbed like like new things, new wrinkles for their offense.

2183
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:35,640
Speaker 1: And Sean Payton's running the same offense he ran ten

2184
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:38,360
Speaker 1: years ago in New Orleans. And we sit here and

2185
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:41,360
Speaker 1: we always say that like Belichick, you know, it was Brady,

2186
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:43,760
Speaker 1: It was Brady, was Brady. It was Drew brees Like

2187
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:46,519
Speaker 1: we can finally put that one to bed, like it

2188
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:50,559
Speaker 1: was Drew Breesert and that was it. All right, let's

2189
01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:53,120
Speaker 1: before we wrap up here. We got two more phone

2190
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:55,519
Speaker 1: calls and we're gonna go really quickly on some of

2191
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:57,800
Speaker 1: these other things we want to talk about. Nicody is

2192
01:41:57,840 --> 01:41:59,599
Speaker 1: in West Virginia. What's up, Niccody?

2193
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:01,599
Speaker 4: Hey, guys doing good.

2194
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:06,839
Speaker 6: I just want to get your opinion on this defensive

2195
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:09,680
Speaker 6: lineup for next year since we need to focus more

2196
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:16,120
Speaker 6: on the offense. Say, Isaiah Bolden, you know, makes a

2197
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 6: good impact before the season starts, and he's the second

2198
01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:22,559
Speaker 6: outside corner, and obviously have Marcus Jones.

2199
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:23,080
Speaker 4: That's plot.

2200
01:42:24,439 --> 01:42:28,120
Speaker 6: What could we move John Jones back to free safety,

2201
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:32,360
Speaker 6: have freestigned Kyle Dugar and keep him at strong safety,

2202
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:35,240
Speaker 6: and then maybe move Peppers to linebacker.

2203
01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for the call to Cody. So I actually

2204
01:42:41,439 --> 01:42:46,120
Speaker 1: think that John Jones at free safety is not like

2205
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:48,840
Speaker 1: a terrible idea. I know I've heard this one before.

2206
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:51,320
Speaker 1: He's got the speed, all that kind of stuff, but

2207
01:42:51,439 --> 01:42:52,719
Speaker 1: he's been their best corner.

2208
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:54,040
Speaker 3: If they were gonna do what they would have done

2209
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:54,439
Speaker 3: it by now.

2210
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 1: He's also just like he's a really good corner and

2211
01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:58,880
Speaker 1: he's been playing through a knee injury this year and

2212
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:02,599
Speaker 1: he's still put been really really good. I don't know,

2213
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:05,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't really feel the need to

2214
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:07,960
Speaker 1: do it. I guess is why where I'm at with it.

2215
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 3: I would say keep the defensive lineup as similar to

2216
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:12,639
Speaker 3: it as this year. I would swap out Kyle Duggart

2217
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:15,799
Speaker 3: for a true free safety, add in another depth corner

2218
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:18,120
Speaker 3: that you didn't get with Jack Jones and J. C.

2219
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:20,840
Speaker 3: Jackson was supposed to be that third boundary corner, and

2220
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 3: you'll get Christianzalez back so him John Jones player to

2221
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:25,760
Speaker 3: be named later, And then you're gonna need like one

2222
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:28,599
Speaker 3: or two rotational edge rushers not top of the depth

2223
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:31,280
Speaker 3: chart guys. Assuming you bring Jude On back, get Anthony

2224
01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:34,479
Speaker 3: Jennings back in here, get Tabrill Peppers locked up, get

2225
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:36,120
Speaker 3: Christian Barmore locked up.

2226
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:38,280
Speaker 1: And you're good to go. Like I, you don't need

2227
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:40,680
Speaker 1: to touch a lot on defense. I do think you

2228
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:43,240
Speaker 1: know we're gonna talk about the Jason mccordy of it all. Yeah,

2229
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:45,479
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna, you know, keep pounding that that

2230
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:49,599
Speaker 1: that that third boundary corner that can play a pretty

2231
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:52,639
Speaker 1: significant role. They they still have not figured that out.

2232
01:43:53,240 --> 01:43:56,880
Speaker 1: And they're gonna have John Jones. Christian Gonzales obviously gonna

2233
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:59,639
Speaker 1: be your number one boundary corner. You're gonna have John Jones,

2234
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:03,120
Speaker 1: Mark Jones, and I think they'll if it's this regime,

2235
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 1: is Myles Bryant will be.

2236
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:07,040
Speaker 3: Right well, just on the boundary corner, like to the

2237
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:09,519
Speaker 3: college point. Maybe it is Isaiah Yeah, maybe that guy

2238
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:12,360
Speaker 3: has in the building camp before. Yeah, And honestly, Marco

2239
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:14,280
Speaker 3: Wilson's gonna be under We didn't talk about Marco Wilson

2240
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:17,400
Speaker 3: signed yesterday. He had a good year last year. He

2241
01:44:17,439 --> 01:44:20,960
Speaker 3: has not been good this year at all. But maybe

2242
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:23,680
Speaker 3: he you know, I think right now it's him and

2243
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 3: Isaiah Boulden and camp for that third boundary corner role.

2244
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:28,640
Speaker 3: And maybe he use like a fourth round pick on

2245
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:30,639
Speaker 3: a guy, maybe bring in a veteran, and it's those

2246
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:31,840
Speaker 3: four competing for one or.

2247
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:34,960
Speaker 1: Two spots they they are starving for. You know, obviously

2248
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 1: it was supposed to be Jack Jones, right, but like

2249
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:41,080
Speaker 1: that fourth round corner that's just like a functioning outside

2250
01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:44,360
Speaker 1: boundary guy, Like that's exactly what they need. And it

2251
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:46,800
Speaker 1: should have been Jack Jones. It wasn't, but that that

2252
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:49,280
Speaker 1: type of guy just without the baggage that I've.

2253
01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:50,519
Speaker 3: Got a guy that's interesting. If we get to the

2254
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:51,559
Speaker 3: college football playoffs.

2255
01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:55,639
Speaker 1: Okay, Dre is in North Carolina, what's up? Dre Hey, guys,

2256
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:56,240
Speaker 1: you'll hear me.

2257
01:44:56,479 --> 01:44:59,400
Speaker 5: Yes, So I was just calling.

2258
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:00,799
Speaker 4: I don't want to her to show.

2259
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:02,559
Speaker 5: How it ends, but I was just talking about if

2260
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:04,679
Speaker 5: we sit with the fourth pig, which.

2261
01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:06,519
Speaker 4: I'll want to possibly trade up to try and get

2262
01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:09,320
Speaker 4: a quarterback, or y'all just with any where y'all are,

2263
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:11,280
Speaker 4: I'll take it off. I appreciate y'all.

2264
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:14,519
Speaker 1: Thanks raight. So I all with with with trading up.

2265
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:16,479
Speaker 1: It's always the same conversation with like what are you

2266
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:17,280
Speaker 1: giving up? Right?

2267
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:18,559
Speaker 3: Right? And what are you giving up?

2268
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:18,800
Speaker 1: And who?

2269
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:20,040
Speaker 3: Like do you believe that guy?

2270
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:24,280
Speaker 1: Yeah? Right? My concern and I'm kind of just from

2271
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:28,160
Speaker 1: a because those details are hard to iron out, especially

2272
01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:30,080
Speaker 1: on December twenty eight, is like maybe once we get

2273
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:35,519
Speaker 1: closer it will be easier. I have reservations about trading

2274
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:37,840
Speaker 1: up because I think that you're you need a lot

2275
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:40,680
Speaker 1: of pieces on this roster, and if you're starting to

2276
01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:42,680
Speaker 1: give up like a King's ransom to move up in

2277
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:46,120
Speaker 1: the draft to take the quarterback. Yes, ideally he's Andrew

2278
01:45:46,160 --> 01:45:47,960
Speaker 1: Luck and he and he makes you an eleven win

2279
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:49,960
Speaker 1: team coming out, you know, rolling out of bed just

2280
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:52,679
Speaker 1: because you have the quarterback. But at the same time,

2281
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:56,320
Speaker 1: I look at the Carolina Panthers and I I I

2282
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:58,559
Speaker 1: that's I am fearful of that.

2283
01:45:58,680 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 3: The Panthers gave up too much.

2284
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:01,760
Speaker 1: So the Panthers game up a time because they went

2285
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:03,080
Speaker 1: all the way from eight to one.

2286
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:06,280
Speaker 3: Right, So that's part of it. Like we're I move

2287
01:46:06,680 --> 01:46:08,720
Speaker 3: if it's differ between getting Jane Daniels, I move up

2288
01:46:08,760 --> 01:46:11,840
Speaker 3: from four to three, because you're talking about probably two

2289
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:14,200
Speaker 3: third round picks to get from four to three. Like

2290
01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:16,360
Speaker 3: that's fine. I'm not moving up from four to one.

2291
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:17,800
Speaker 3: I don't think they need of ford to one. I'm

2292
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:19,439
Speaker 3: not moving up for four to one. I'll go like

2293
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 3: four to three, five to three if it means getting

2294
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:24,639
Speaker 3: Jade Daniels. But yeah, I'm not doing the Panthers package

2295
01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:25,439
Speaker 3: because that was just stupid.

2296
01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:29,760
Speaker 1: Right, And now you're in a position where you're kind

2297
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:31,880
Speaker 1: of fifty to fifty on Bryce Young. I would say

2298
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:34,040
Speaker 1: after his rookie year, I'm still not out on Bryce Young.

2299
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:36,040
Speaker 1: I think that like he still has a chance to

2300
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:38,680
Speaker 1: be good. But you're you're a little bit concerned. You

2301
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:39,760
Speaker 1: have to admit, like if you're a parent.

2302
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:42,400
Speaker 3: So I think the thing to remember too, And this

2303
01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:45,240
Speaker 3: is also part of the reason why to people who say,

2304
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:47,559
Speaker 3: draft Marvin Harrison, draft to tackle, like, build it all

2305
01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:49,799
Speaker 3: up and you'll go get the quarterback next year. Yeah,

2306
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:54,160
Speaker 3: that scares the crap out of me because there are

2307
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:58,120
Speaker 3: the way talent's being turned down college. There's gonna be

2308
01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:00,880
Speaker 3: good wide receivers every year. There's gonna be good legit

2309
01:47:01,160 --> 01:47:03,200
Speaker 3: wiers you were telling every year tackle. Some of the

2310
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:05,760
Speaker 3: class have been thin, but generally you have two or

2311
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:07,200
Speaker 3: three guys at the top of the board that are

2312
01:47:07,240 --> 01:47:11,040
Speaker 3: pretty good. You're not guaranteed to have a legitimate quarterback

2313
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:13,519
Speaker 3: class every year next year unless you're gonna get one

2314
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:15,080
Speaker 3: one and we want to go through another season like

2315
01:47:15,120 --> 01:47:18,519
Speaker 3: we just did. Yeah, and get your Sanders ooh next year? Scary?

2316
01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:21,160
Speaker 3: Next year? Is scare Reka?

2317
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:23,360
Speaker 1: Well maybe maybe Quen yours.

2318
01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:25,400
Speaker 3: Maybe all right, So that's two guys, so you've got

2319
01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 3: to have a top three pick again. So you're right

2320
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:28,760
Speaker 3: where you are. Now, why not just take the guy?

2321
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:31,559
Speaker 3: Now you look at last year's last year's class, right,

2322
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:35,040
Speaker 3: Bailey's happy might be the second best quarterback in that class.

2323
01:47:35,080 --> 01:47:37,960
Speaker 3: I mean Brock, right, that's what I'm talking about. Brock

2324
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:41,680
Speaker 3: parties number one, obviously, but he was the when you

2325
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:43,599
Speaker 3: have the offense that the Niners have, you can take

2326
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:45,559
Speaker 3: your quarterback in the seventh round. Show me when the

2327
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:47,599
Speaker 3: Patriots have that offense and I'll say, okay, they can

2328
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:48,960
Speaker 3: wait till Saturday. Quarterback.

2329
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:52,559
Speaker 1: I worry about being the Panthers. And so that's the

2330
01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:56,120
Speaker 1: Panthers is like, now they have no assets to add

2331
01:47:56,160 --> 01:47:59,000
Speaker 1: their Brice Young because they traded them all for Bryce Young,

2332
01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:01,120
Speaker 1: and now they have a t that has no talent.

2333
01:48:01,200 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 1: They have no first round pick.

2334
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:05,880
Speaker 3: I think it runs deeper in that because at the

2335
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:09,040
Speaker 3: time people said the Chiefs gave up too much to

2336
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:11,360
Speaker 3: get Patrick Mahomes to move up to get Patrick Mahomes.

2337
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 3: Nobody talks about that anymore, well, nor should they. So

2338
01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:16,840
Speaker 3: my point is the decision to move up is only

2339
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:18,160
Speaker 3: as good as the player. And this is what I

2340
01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:21,280
Speaker 3: was getting to. Albert Breer had this report last week

2341
01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:23,320
Speaker 3: on the Sports Up that yeah, he talked to some

2342
01:48:23,479 --> 01:48:25,640
Speaker 3: gms and basically, since twenty twenty one, put all the

2343
01:48:25,720 --> 01:48:28,400
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the same class, who goes where? And he

2344
01:48:28,479 --> 01:48:31,000
Speaker 3: said Trevor Lawrence still goes one one, which I think

2345
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:34,880
Speaker 3: is true. Caleb Williams goes second, Drake Mago's third above

2346
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:37,559
Speaker 3: like ahead of c J. Stroud as prospects, ahead of

2347
01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:39,479
Speaker 3: c J. Stroud, ahead of Bryce Young, ahead of Kenny Pick,

2348
01:48:39,479 --> 01:48:42,000
Speaker 3: ahead of all the name. Caleb Williams goes one, No, no, no,

2349
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:44,120
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence goes one. Oh, we're going all the way

2350
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:46,080
Speaker 3: back to twenty one to twenty one, So Trevor Lawrence

2351
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:49,479
Speaker 3: goes one. Yeah, Caleb Williams goes two. Drake Mago's three.

2352
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:55,439
Speaker 3: I think it's probably between Jade and Daniels and Justin

2353
01:48:55,479 --> 01:48:58,760
Speaker 3: Fields for four. So the point being, okay.

2354
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:08,080
Speaker 1: I would never no, no, who I would probably Caleb, Trevor, Caleb,

2355
01:49:08,479 --> 01:49:10,639
Speaker 1: Drake May, and who's the fourth guy? So that's where

2356
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:13,439
Speaker 1: I would probably I would probably put CJ straight ahead

2357
01:49:13,439 --> 01:49:13,920
Speaker 1: of Drake May.

2358
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:18,320
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, so all right, let me the point basically being, right,

2359
01:49:19,120 --> 01:49:23,719
Speaker 3: the Jaden Daniels is going to be the third quarterback

2360
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:27,679
Speaker 3: in this draft next year. He's won one, no question right, right,

2361
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:30,719
Speaker 3: So you have a chance to get a better quarterback

2362
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:33,439
Speaker 3: now than you're going to next year. So just take

2363
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 3: like there's going to be Joe Altz in next year's class.

2364
01:49:36,360 --> 01:49:38,080
Speaker 3: Maybe there's not a Marvin Harrison, but there's gonna be

2365
01:49:38,240 --> 01:49:40,920
Speaker 3: roma Dune Day Milik neighbor. Next year's wide receiver class

2366
01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 3: looks might be better in this one.

2367
01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:43,840
Speaker 1: You know, I hate when you beat this, I know it.

2368
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:47,680
Speaker 1: But but what next year's wide receiver class is unstoppable,

2369
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:49,400
Speaker 1: then all of them end up stinking in the foot.

2370
01:49:49,439 --> 01:49:52,559
Speaker 3: But but here's my point. Here's my point. Quarterback has

2371
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 3: more variance than any quarterback has. If you can get

2372
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:58,320
Speaker 3: the guy, you get the guy. Because next year's quarterback,

2373
01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:01,599
Speaker 3: there's always one last year's wide receiver classman and normally

2374
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:03,599
Speaker 3: there's always one or two blue chip wide receivers. There's

2375
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:05,559
Speaker 3: always one or two blue chip tackles. Okay, you're not

2376
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:06,880
Speaker 3: guaranteed a blue chip quarterback.

2377
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:09,599
Speaker 1: I'm going to just segue into this for you because

2378
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:11,879
Speaker 1: you asked me to bring up the college football playoff

2379
01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:14,960
Speaker 1: really quickly. Though, Before we get to the college football playoff,

2380
01:50:15,320 --> 01:50:17,599
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about the Bills or this Bills game

2381
01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:20,439
Speaker 1: for even one second, which sucks because the Bills are

2382
01:50:20,479 --> 01:50:23,240
Speaker 1: bad two minutes on this Yeah, what are you looking

2383
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:25,280
Speaker 1: for out of this game? And like, if you really

2384
01:50:25,320 --> 01:50:27,400
Speaker 1: want to take your victory lap on the Bills who

2385
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:29,280
Speaker 1: won three straight and four out of their last five,

2386
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:30,520
Speaker 1: and nobody.

2387
01:50:30,439 --> 01:50:32,519
Speaker 3: They barely beat the Chargers and.

2388
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:34,920
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to play them in the playoffs.

2389
01:50:35,479 --> 01:50:37,200
Speaker 3: They won't be there. Now they're gonna be there. They're

2390
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:37,880
Speaker 3: gonna win the division.

2391
01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:41,360
Speaker 1: I I don't want the Bills to win the super Bowl.

2392
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:43,280
Speaker 1: I don't they're going to win the division, but I

2393
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:44,920
Speaker 1: do kind of hope the Bills win a few playoff

2394
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:48,799
Speaker 1: games just to irk you. Yeah, just a pissy the division?

2395
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:50,200
Speaker 1: What are you looking for on Sunday?

2396
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:53,679
Speaker 3: So I want to see, you know, Barmore versus Josh

2397
01:50:53,720 --> 01:50:56,439
Speaker 3: Allen's a great matchup. Like, you know, he's kind of

2398
01:50:56,439 --> 01:50:59,280
Speaker 3: looking like do the Patriots ever freak to counter the freak? Right,

2399
01:50:59,400 --> 01:51:02,360
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. I want to see bar More

2400
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 3: against Josh Allen. I think that'll be a super fun matchup.

2401
01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:09,000
Speaker 3: And then just I think in the last game the

2402
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:11,000
Speaker 3: defense played well, but they got off the hook because

2403
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:12,880
Speaker 3: the Bills are kind of dropping some passes and things

2404
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:15,120
Speaker 3: like that. I so a big part of the Bill's

2405
01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:16,960
Speaker 3: resurgence has been they've taken the ball out of Josh

2406
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:19,240
Speaker 3: Allen's hands. They run the ball. You know, who would

2407
01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:20,040
Speaker 3: have thought that would improve?

2408
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:22,640
Speaker 1: So there are more balanced and there's less pressure on

2409
01:51:22,760 --> 01:51:24,839
Speaker 1: him to be Superman and he's playing better.

2410
01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:27,040
Speaker 3: Well because he's not Superman. They were asking him to

2411
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:28,320
Speaker 3: do more than he could do because he's not as

2412
01:51:28,360 --> 01:51:30,000
Speaker 3: good as so many people thought he was. No, the

2413
01:51:30,040 --> 01:51:31,759
Speaker 3: whole point, that's the whole point.

2414
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:33,960
Speaker 1: The point is that nobody if he told her all

2415
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:34,680
Speaker 1: that he had to be.

2416
01:51:34,640 --> 01:51:36,439
Speaker 3: There, all right, But I was being told that he could.

2417
01:51:36,479 --> 01:51:38,799
Speaker 3: I had to run around. I was I was told,

2418
01:51:39,120 --> 01:51:40,880
Speaker 3: I was told, you run the offense like that when

2419
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:42,720
Speaker 3: you have a guy like Josh Allen because he's that good.

2420
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:44,479
Speaker 3: Oh my god, he wasn't. Oh my god.

2421
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:47,280
Speaker 1: Who they put they had their offense with Ken Dorsey

2422
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:50,400
Speaker 1: was vanilla, it was stale they had they used no.

2423
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:53,240
Speaker 3: I was told, I was they had to put the

2424
01:51:53,240 --> 01:51:54,840
Speaker 3: ball in Josh Allen's hands that much because he was

2425
01:51:54,840 --> 01:51:56,040
Speaker 3: that good, and they had to take advance.

2426
01:51:56,200 --> 01:51:58,200
Speaker 1: So like, it's not it's not like they're running ball

2427
01:51:58,240 --> 01:51:59,240
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the time.

2428
01:51:59,400 --> 01:52:01,800
Speaker 3: They're running in lot more. I think the Patriots neutralize that.

2429
01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:03,479
Speaker 3: So I think the game is put back in Josh

2430
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:05,000
Speaker 3: Allen's hands to win. I think is gonna be the

2431
01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:06,759
Speaker 3: first time in a few weeks we see Josh Allen

2432
01:52:07,080 --> 01:52:09,320
Speaker 3: really have to go out and single handedly win the game. Again.

2433
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:12,719
Speaker 1: That's to me is as much as like the Bailey's

2434
01:52:12,720 --> 01:52:15,360
Speaker 1: apt of it all is still there. I think to me,

2435
01:52:16,160 --> 01:52:19,439
Speaker 1: the one thing that's gonna be consistent is that which

2436
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:21,679
Speaker 1: whoever's that quarterback next year for the Patriots is gonna

2437
01:52:21,720 --> 01:52:23,400
Speaker 1: have to be Josh Allen, Right, Like you're gonna have

2438
01:52:23,439 --> 01:52:26,040
Speaker 1: the division. I still think even though the Dolphins are

2439
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:29,240
Speaker 1: are gonna probably win the division this year, Buffalo is

2440
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:31,680
Speaker 1: still going to be a team that they're gonna have

2441
01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:33,599
Speaker 1: to beat get to make it back to the Promised

2442
01:52:33,680 --> 01:52:38,479
Speaker 1: Land for some reason. And I still feel like Bill

2443
01:52:38,680 --> 01:52:41,360
Speaker 1: versus Josh Allen and they had a really good plan

2444
01:52:41,479 --> 01:52:43,559
Speaker 1: I thought the first time around against him, to blitz

2445
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:45,360
Speaker 1: him and come after him a little bit more and

2446
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:48,679
Speaker 1: speed him up and make him play out of control

2447
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:51,400
Speaker 1: and things like that, Like do they have that in

2448
01:52:51,479 --> 01:52:54,200
Speaker 1: them again? Because if Bill can still find some some

2449
01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:58,400
Speaker 1: kryptonite to Superman, he doesn't solve the Dolphins offense, so

2450
01:52:58,479 --> 01:53:01,880
Speaker 1: that that's a whole separate But if he can solve

2451
01:53:02,040 --> 01:53:05,639
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, and they have like two good game plans

2452
01:53:05,680 --> 01:53:09,439
Speaker 1: and could two good defensive performances. Whether it's Bill, whether

2453
01:53:09,479 --> 01:53:11,800
Speaker 1: it's Girod, like whoever is in charge next year of

2454
01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:14,759
Speaker 1: the defense, I think that that that's a really big

2455
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:16,920
Speaker 1: thing for this team moving forward if they can still.

2456
01:53:16,920 --> 01:53:19,200
Speaker 3: So that's that's kind of a lot of it's on

2457
01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:21,719
Speaker 3: Josh Allen, honestly, like how does he in the offense

2458
01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:24,200
Speaker 3: respond to kind of getting knocked around by building that

2459
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:25,320
Speaker 3: defense in the first game?

2460
01:53:25,720 --> 01:53:27,320
Speaker 1: Do they do some different things?

2461
01:53:27,320 --> 01:53:29,000
Speaker 3: And obviously they will have a new offense coordinator, but

2462
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:30,960
Speaker 3: like what does that look like to counter? And then

2463
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:32,880
Speaker 3: I mean it's pretty much all with the papers events,

2464
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:35,800
Speaker 3: but on offense, just like Bailey's appis continued development. Yeah,

2465
01:53:35,960 --> 01:53:36,559
Speaker 3: that kind of thing.

2466
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just looking forward to seeing what they do

2467
01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:43,599
Speaker 1: this time around defensively against Allen, because they they went

2468
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:47,160
Speaker 1: for about two years there they were all coverage game plan, right, like,

2469
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:49,360
Speaker 1: they we're gonna drop seven eight guys in coverage and

2470
01:53:49,400 --> 01:53:52,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna make him sit in the pocket and beat us,

2471
01:53:52,280 --> 01:53:54,559
Speaker 1: you know, throwing the ball, and we're not gonna let

2472
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:58,439
Speaker 1: him play playground football. But the problem was is that

2473
01:53:58,439 --> 01:54:00,200
Speaker 1: they weren't getting any pressure on him and he was

2474
01:54:00,240 --> 01:54:02,880
Speaker 1: just standing there making throws and that's not good either.

2475
01:54:03,160 --> 01:54:05,519
Speaker 1: So this time they kind of split the atom a

2476
01:54:05,560 --> 01:54:07,240
Speaker 1: little bit and we're able to come after him but

2477
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:10,680
Speaker 1: contain pressure. And I thought that, you know, they did

2478
01:54:10,920 --> 01:54:13,840
Speaker 1: a really good job in week seven of defending him.

2479
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:16,160
Speaker 1: Now they made some plays and Buffalo ended up making

2480
01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:18,559
Speaker 1: some plays late, especially in that fourth quarter when they

2481
01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:21,320
Speaker 1: came back, But in general, I thought that they that

2482
01:54:21,479 --> 01:54:24,360
Speaker 1: was their best game plan against Josh Allen since he's

2483
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:27,120
Speaker 1: turned into Josh Allen, like you know, not talking about

2484
01:54:27,160 --> 01:54:30,080
Speaker 1: like his rookie year or something like that. So that

2485
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:34,240
Speaker 1: that was. That's the Bills College football playoff. You have

2486
01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:36,640
Speaker 1: like four minutes, so I'm just gonna I'm just gonna

2487
01:54:36,680 --> 01:54:37,240
Speaker 1: give you all right.

2488
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:40,959
Speaker 3: My picks are Alabama and Washington, okay, and then Alabama

2489
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:43,840
Speaker 3: in the in the championship. Yeah, although I think I

2490
01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:47,560
Speaker 3: think Alabama winning it all. Yes, I think Alabama rolls Michigan.

2491
01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:49,560
Speaker 3: I think J. J. McCarthy gets exposed in that game.

2492
01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:50,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of.

2493
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:52,880
Speaker 3: You can't run the ball in Alabama like they have

2494
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:55,560
Speaker 3: on other teams. They can't be that reliant. I think

2495
01:54:55,640 --> 01:54:58,000
Speaker 3: Washington and Texas probably score one hundred combined points, maybe

2496
01:54:58,040 --> 01:55:00,800
Speaker 3: a hunter ten. I just I think Michael Pennick's got

2497
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:03,240
Speaker 3: that dog in him right, he goes he makes the

2498
01:55:03,320 --> 01:55:06,160
Speaker 3: last play. But yeah, Alabama is Alabama, man, and that's

2499
01:55:06,160 --> 01:55:08,120
Speaker 3: a different that's a different animal. I'm just gonna give

2500
01:55:08,160 --> 01:55:10,160
Speaker 3: you some names. I want you to watch, because you're

2501
01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:11,400
Speaker 3: gonna watch. I hope you watch the games.

2502
01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:13,400
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, the second one's kind of late, like, what

2503
01:55:13,400 --> 01:55:17,120
Speaker 1: are we doing this? It's eight thirty, it's eight forty five. Grow,

2504
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:19,520
Speaker 1: that's gonna work the next that's the better game. That's

2505
01:55:19,560 --> 01:55:23,280
Speaker 1: that's I know, I know, that's why. What are we doing?

2506
01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:26,840
Speaker 3: Alabama starting right tackle jac Latham. He's been their start

2507
01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:29,920
Speaker 3: in the last two years. Six six, three sixty, you know,

2508
01:55:30,120 --> 01:55:32,560
Speaker 3: just quickly, Okay. It reminds me. Reminds me a lot

2509
01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 3: of Trent Brown, just like a big, physical Maler kind

2510
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:36,760
Speaker 3: of a weird range for the Patriots. He expected to

2511
01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:38,480
Speaker 3: go between ten and fifteen, so they'd have to make

2512
01:55:38,480 --> 01:55:42,280
Speaker 3: a trade. Jermaine Burton's a really good deep threat wide

2513
01:55:42,280 --> 01:55:45,080
Speaker 3: receive for Alabama. I like him. Malach Hi Moore is

2514
01:55:45,200 --> 01:55:48,080
Speaker 3: Alabama's He's a defensive back. He stepped into that. Brian Brantrell.

2515
01:55:48,120 --> 01:55:50,200
Speaker 3: He does a little bit of everything. Would be a

2516
01:55:50,200 --> 01:55:53,200
Speaker 3: classic Belichick pick. We talked about JJ McCarthy. Neither of

2517
01:55:53,240 --> 01:55:56,080
Speaker 3: us believe in him. These Michigan running backs Man Blake

2518
01:55:56,120 --> 01:55:58,680
Speaker 3: corm Donovan Edwards, they're gonna be in the spotlight. The

2519
01:55:58,720 --> 01:56:01,680
Speaker 3: Patriot's gonna need a running back. Please early Day three guys,

2520
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:08,280
Speaker 3: please Roman Wilson. He's a weird player jump ball six

2521
01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:11,520
Speaker 3: foot jump ball receiver, but he can do it. He's

2522
01:56:11,600 --> 01:56:13,760
Speaker 3: really good at the catch point after the catch, and

2523
01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:15,480
Speaker 3: he needs to be better before the catch. That's kind of

2524
01:56:15,480 --> 01:56:18,560
Speaker 3: my book on him. Really fun player here, Mike Saanner.

2525
01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:20,080
Speaker 3: Still I don't know. You might have heard about him

2526
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:25,240
Speaker 3: a little bit. Defensive back for Michigan, Everett Highgrad, Massachusetts

2527
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:29,520
Speaker 3: Gatorade High School Football the year. Spent three years as

2528
01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:31,960
Speaker 3: you need to go. Spend three years of wide receiver

2529
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:34,480
Speaker 3: at Michigan. Moved to defensive back two years ago. Plays

2530
01:56:34,840 --> 01:56:40,200
Speaker 3: like everywhere. Okay, he's very good. You know, Xavier Worthy,

2531
01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:43,840
Speaker 3: you like him, Ady Mitchell, Jatavian Sanders another tackle on

2532
01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:46,560
Speaker 3: this for Texas. Christian Jones gonna be facing NFL talent

2533
01:56:46,600 --> 01:56:49,600
Speaker 3: from Washington. He's like Tier two J C. Latham, that

2534
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:51,080
Speaker 3: kind of thing that we do right like or he

2535
01:56:51,160 --> 01:56:53,640
Speaker 3: might be Day three and then on Washington. You know,

2536
01:56:53,680 --> 01:56:55,880
Speaker 3: I like Roma Dune's a Dylan Johnson another running back

2537
01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:59,560
Speaker 3: to watch. Fatanu's in that late first early second round.

2538
01:56:59,560 --> 01:57:03,080
Speaker 3: Alabam Uh Washington's left tackle, three year starter.

2539
01:57:03,200 --> 01:57:03,720
Speaker 1: He's interesting.

2540
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:05,040
Speaker 3: He'll be at Senier Bol We'll see him.

2541
01:57:05,080 --> 01:57:05,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's interesting.

2542
01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:09,840
Speaker 3: Jabbar Muhammed, Washington's outside corner, three year starter. Really good

2543
01:57:09,960 --> 01:57:10,520
Speaker 3: man coverage.

2544
01:57:10,600 --> 01:57:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he played some good coverage against you.

2545
01:57:12,160 --> 01:57:13,880
Speaker 3: Five foot ten, might have to move in a slot

2546
01:57:13,880 --> 01:57:17,080
Speaker 3: in the NFL. Reminds me a ton Evan of Miles Bryant.

2547
01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:20,720
Speaker 3: So and he's a well five to ten. Yeah, Shrin's

2548
01:57:20,760 --> 01:57:24,280
Speaker 3: like five nine. It's an itch uh projected Miles Bryant's

2549
01:57:24,320 --> 01:57:27,800
Speaker 3: five to nine with projected late day three pick or udfa.

2550
01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:29,680
Speaker 3: Maybe that goes up with a good performance against these

2551
01:57:29,720 --> 01:57:32,520
Speaker 3: Texas wide receivers. But screams Patriots, I have a full

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01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:34,000
Speaker 3: list on ninety eight five to sport.

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01:57:34,040 --> 01:57:36,360
Speaker 1: You can read that really quickly from me on this

2554
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:39,840
Speaker 1: because you know I'm just watching for a watching sake.

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01:57:40,720 --> 01:57:42,959
Speaker 1: Are we sure quin Yours isn't coming out?

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01:57:43,200 --> 01:57:45,400
Speaker 3: That's the thing I think it. The playoff determines it

2557
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:47,080
Speaker 3: if he if he's going to be a first round pick.

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01:57:47,080 --> 01:57:49,280
Speaker 3: Will come out. He needs to basically have a big

2559
01:57:49,320 --> 01:57:51,440
Speaker 3: game against If he has a big game against Alabama

2560
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:53,760
Speaker 3: or Michigan, he's going to be a first round pick.

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01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:57,240
Speaker 1: So that's what this will decide that. So I am intrigued,

2562
01:57:57,960 --> 01:58:00,000
Speaker 1: just intrigued. I'm not I'm not all in yet. I'm

2563
01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:03,760
Speaker 1: intrigued because I think that there's a chance that he's

2564
01:58:03,880 --> 01:58:08,040
Speaker 1: like the perfect Okay, you missed out on Callabillas, Drake May.

2565
01:58:08,040 --> 01:58:10,320
Speaker 1: You're not totally sold on Jaden Daniels, but you can

2566
01:58:10,360 --> 01:58:12,440
Speaker 1: get a guy like Quinn you Weers maybe by like

2567
01:58:12,520 --> 01:58:15,640
Speaker 1: slightly trading up into the first back into the first round,

2568
01:58:16,160 --> 01:58:18,880
Speaker 1: and he doesn't have the injury history that Pennis does.

2569
01:58:19,440 --> 01:58:21,720
Speaker 1: I just feel like that's one of those guys that

2570
01:58:22,280 --> 01:58:25,320
Speaker 1: might be like the perfect consolation price.

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01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:28,760
Speaker 3: He's gonna talk to teams at like unofficially right, he's

2572
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:31,440
Speaker 3: gonna he's his people will do their research after the

2573
01:58:31,480 --> 01:58:34,240
Speaker 3: playoff and basically find out if he's gonna be a

2574
01:58:34,280 --> 01:58:36,880
Speaker 3: first round pick. It's enough teams base If he years

2575
01:58:36,920 --> 01:58:38,880
Speaker 3: back for enough teams that like, yeah, we like you

2576
01:58:38,920 --> 01:58:41,440
Speaker 3: in the first round, he'll declare. If not, he won't

2577
01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:42,960
Speaker 3: because he'll be a first round pick. Next year, and

2578
01:58:42,960 --> 01:58:44,400
Speaker 3: he's got plenty of nil money.

2579
01:58:44,200 --> 01:58:47,440
Speaker 1: At text exciting prospect. All right, that's gonna do it. First,

2580
01:58:47,600 --> 01:58:49,080
Speaker 1: Rodney Harrison should be in the Hall of Fame. Yeah,

2581
01:58:49,120 --> 01:58:50,640
Speaker 1: Rodney Harrison should be in the Hall of Fame. We

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01:58:50,680 --> 01:58:52,320
Speaker 1: didn't have time for that. I'm sure we'll talk about

2583
01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:55,160
Speaker 1: that on PU which starts here in a couple of minutes,

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01:58:55,200 --> 01:58:57,720
Speaker 1: So don't go anywhere. Alex and I will be back

2585
01:58:57,800 --> 01:59:02,040
Speaker 1: next week. Uh weeen hard to believe. But we'll talk

2586
01:59:02,080 --> 01:59:04,520
Speaker 1: about the lan offseason. Then the fun really begins. Yeah,

2587
01:59:04,520 --> 01:59:06,200
Speaker 1: then the fun really begins. We'll talk about the last

2588
01:59:06,240 --> 01:59:08,720
Speaker 1: week of the season. We'll talk about the college football playoff.

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01:59:09,240 --> 01:59:11,440
Speaker 1: So keep it right here, Patriots Catch twenty two, and

2590
01:59:11,480 --> 01:59:12,400
Speaker 1: we'll see you all then.

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01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:17,120
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