1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Higin everybody. 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 2: I'm Dan Hord, and thanks for downloading the Bengals Booth podcast. 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 2: The tell Me Tell Me One More Time. Addition, as 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 2: Sam Hubbard joins me to look back at the NFL's 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: Play of the Year last year and perhaps the greatest 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: play in Bengals history, the Fumble in the Jungle. Then 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: Adam Rank from the NFL Network joins me to explain 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 2: why he thinks the Bengals are the best team in 9 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 2: the league heading into the twenty twenty three season. The 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: Bengals Booth Podcast is brought to you by Bengals Picks 11 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 2: and Ultimate Bengals. They're free to play with tickets hand 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 2: side merchandise up for grabs. Find both inside the Bengals app. 13 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: Now here's a quick reminder that you can have the 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: latest edition of this podcast delivered write to your phone, tablet, 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: or computer by subscribing wherever you got your podcasts. It's 16 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: the greatest thing since the recent Tailor Swift shows at 17 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: pay Corpse Stadium. I attended the first of her two shows, 18 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 2: and I honestly think that I knew the fewest number 19 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 2: of the forty four songs she sang of anybody in attendance, 20 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: but I can appreciate a great performer, and the entire 21 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 2: production was incredible. Furthermore, the unbridled joy she brought to 22 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: her biggest fans was really cool to witness. In fact, 23 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: there were a couple of young ladies a few rows 24 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 2: in front of me who started bawling their eyes out 25 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 2: when Taylor took the stage. Putting on two shows of 26 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: that magnitude is a huge endeavor, and kudos to everyone 27 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: involved with the Bengals and the stadium for pulling it 28 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: off without a hitch I suspect. In the years to come, 29 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: when the biggest summer concert acts think about where they 30 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: should play in the Midwest, Cincinnati and pay Corpse Stadium 31 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: will be high on the list. Now, let's get to football. 32 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: I was recently a guest on Serious XM NFL Radio 33 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: to discuss a very speci if a topic. They were 34 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: doing a show on the top plays of the twenty 35 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: twenty two season, and Sam Hubbard's ninety eight yard fumble 36 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: return touchdown and the playoff winner for Baltimore was obviously 37 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 2: high on the list. They asked me to reminisce about 38 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: the play, and I thought it would be fun on 39 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: this podcast to ask Sam Hubbard to do the same. 40 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 2: Before we get to Sam, let's turn the clock back 41 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: to Sunday night, January fifteenth. The Bengals and Ravens are 42 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 2: tied at seventeen with about twelve and a half minutes 43 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: left in regulation and Baltimore is one yard away from 44 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: a go ahead touchdown. Third down in goal from the 45 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,839 Speaker 2: one Hontley sticks the ball out. 46 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: The Bengals have the ball. 47 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 3: They are running it back Sam Hubbard with blockers behind him. 48 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: Hubbard of the Ravens forty, the thirty, the twenty, the ten, 49 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 1: the fun touchdown. 50 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 3: Bengals Tyler Hudley try do it. 51 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: Stem the ball over the goal line. It got poked away. 52 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 3: Sam Hubbard scooped it up and ran the length of 53 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 3: the field for a go ahead Begos touchdown. Logan Wilson 54 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 3: punched the ball out of the hands of Tyler Huntley and. 55 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 4: Right into the hands of Sam Hubbard and boy Logan Wilson, others. 56 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 4: Everybody was swarming it at at that football and Sam 57 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 4: Hubbard says, I'll take it to the house. And boy 58 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 4: who threw the block for Sam Hubbard down the football 59 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 4: field his escorts service. One final block was necessary, and 60 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 4: it was made for him. 61 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: He looked like he was playing lacrosse and Muller again 62 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: streaking down the field. 63 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 4: I'll tell you Sam a big man with some wheels. 64 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 4: He's probably at the oxygen tent right now. That was 65 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 4: one hundred yards sprint for the big fella. 66 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: Ninety eight yards officially for Sam Hubbard. Now the extra 67 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: point from Evan McPherson trying to give Cincinnati a seven 68 00:03:58,480 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: point lead. 69 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: Crispin put down. 70 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: The kick dead center, perfect, and the Bengals have a 71 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: twenty four to seventeen lead. 72 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 4: I was begging for a takeaway. The Bengals had turnovers 73 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 4: in five consecutive fourth quarters. Make it six, and not 74 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 4: only a turnover, a takeaway touchdown, unconventional score courtesy Sam Hubbard. 75 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 2: One of the most remarkable defensive plays in Cincinnati Bengals history. 76 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: And we have a timeout with eleven thirty nine left 77 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: in regulation, twenty four seventeen Bengals. That's how we called 78 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 2: it on the Bengals radio network. Now let's hear the 79 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: TV version, courtesy of my old college buddy Mike Turrico 80 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 2: on NBC. 81 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: RAT reaches other good day with some Hubbard. The Cincinnati 82 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: Kid Hubbard's. 83 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 2: Gotta come by Chase by Andrews with the thirty the 84 00:04:54,120 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: twenty Hey, well stop. I thought Mike's inclusion of the 85 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: Cincinnati kid in the middle of that call was sensational, 86 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: and it was one of the things I discussed with 87 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: Sam Hubbard. Before we get to that, we remind you 88 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: that The Bengals Booth podcast is brought to you by 89 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: Kettering Health, the official healthcare provider of the Bengals. With 90 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 2: more than one hundred and twenty care facilities and fifteen 91 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: hundred care providers, Kettering Health is committed to guiding you 92 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: to your best health. Visit ketteringhealth dot org to learn more. Now, 93 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: without further ado, my recent conversation about the play with 94 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: Sam Hubbard. All right, let's turn the clock back seventeen 95 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 2: all twelve minutes to go in the fourth quarter, third 96 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 2: and goal from the one. Described what happened in as 97 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 2: much detail as you can. 98 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a fourteen play drive, so we're all 99 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 5: pretty gassed down in the one yard line, kind of 100 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 5: backs against the wall. The quarterback decided to try and 101 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 5: go over the top of the pile, and a quarterback 102 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 5: sneak in logan Wilson and Jermain Pratt punch a bo 103 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 5: all out landed in my hands and had enough gas 104 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 5: to get the end zone and ended up winning the 105 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 5: game for us. 106 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: You glanced back a couple of times early. It looked 107 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 2: like you looked at the video board in the midst 108 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 2: of the run. Did you have a sense of what 109 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: was behind you? 110 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: Uh? 111 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 5: I kind of was backwards on the jumbo tron, so 112 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 5: I swerved the wrong way because it's backwards. 113 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 6: But I had some blockers with me. Yeah, I was 114 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 6: all blur. 115 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 5: I just am glad that I didn't get tripped up 116 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 5: on the ten yard line. 117 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: Mark Andrews looked like you say, bolt as he tried 118 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 2: to run you down. He dove at your feet around 119 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 2: the twenty You stumbled ever so slightly. Did he get 120 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: a piece of your shoe? 121 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 6: I think I was just trying to pick my feet up. 122 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 5: You know, usually I'm on the other end of that, 123 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 5: trying to take out the runner's ankles. But uh, you know, 124 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 5: I just know that you've picked your feet up. Keep him, 125 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 5: keep them chopping, and you're gonna You're gonna get in. 126 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 6: The end zone. 127 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: Marcus Bailey came dangerously close to a possible blocking in 128 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: the back hall. Ravens fans obviously think he was guilty. 129 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: Was that a topic of discussion when you all look 130 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: back at the tape? 131 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 5: No, I was a clean blockie, you know he was. 132 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 5: He turned his back and he was lateral with him, 133 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 5: So you know, you can't really call that but a 134 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 5: great effort by Mark. 135 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 6: He's a hell of a player. 136 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 5: Be competing against him since college and I got the 137 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 5: utmost respect for him. 138 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: We've all seen the famous shot of you in the 139 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: oxygen mask. Did you need it? Did you request it? 140 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 2: How did that come about? 141 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 6: Yeah? 142 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 5: I truly was completely exhausted. I don't think I could 143 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 5: play anymore of the game. I really emptied the tank 144 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 5: after that drive straight into that run. 145 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 6: And I had nothing left. 146 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 5: But I had some teammates that stepped up for me 147 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 5: and finished out the game. 148 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 2: I went to college with Mike Jerico. I'm sure you've 149 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: heard his famous call of the play where he first 150 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 2: used the Cincinnati kid. What did you you and your 151 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 2: family think of that? 152 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 6: I thought it was perfect. 153 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 5: A credit to him for doing the research talking to 154 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 5: Doug Rosfeld before the game. No one might you know, 155 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 5: just knowing everybody's story and being so invested in the 156 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 5: game he was calling and really made for a special moment. 157 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: You mentioned that Jermaine Pratt and Logan Wilson stacked up 158 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: the quarterback to lead to the fumble, and the previous play, 159 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: Von Bell makes a great tackle to keep the running 160 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: back out of the end zone. Before the goal to 161 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: go situation, Jesse Bates made a great hustle play to 162 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: knock a guy that bounds around the two yard line. 163 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: Does that whole sequence kind of epitomize what this defense 164 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:28,119 Speaker 2: is about? 165 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, no doubt. 166 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 5: You know we uh, we're gonna fight, fight, scratch and 167 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 5: claw for every yard and you know, not give him anything. 168 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 5: You know, they're they're gonna get yards, but yards on 169 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 5: equal points. And that's kind of our philosophy is. You know, 170 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 5: when it comes down to a red zone, third down, 171 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 5: goal line, we play our best ball. 172 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: The play was ninety eight yards, you actually covered one 173 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty three. You always do sprints at the 174 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: at the end of practice. Does that cross your mind 175 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: now as you're doing those sprints. 176 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 5: No, I'm just getting in shape for the season and 177 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 5: get myself ready for whatever happens next. You know, I've 178 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 5: made some big plays at the end of the game 179 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 5: the last couple of pro seasons, just being in better 180 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 5: shape than everybody else, and that's something I continue to 181 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 5: plan on doing. 182 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: I think it's the greatest single play in franchise history. 183 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 2: As a Cincinnati native. What does that mean? 184 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 5: It means a lot. It's got its place in history, 185 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 5: and I look forward to continuing to build on that legacy. 186 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 2: Fumble in the Jungle or the Hubbard yard Dash. 187 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 6: I'll let the people decide. 188 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: That I'm a fumble in the Jungle guy. 189 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, I like that too, Thanks Sam, Yeah, thank you. 190 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 2: The Bengals Booth Podcast is brought to you by pay Corps. 191 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 2: More than twenty nine thousand customers trust Paycrep to help 192 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 2: them recruit, pay engage, and retain employees. 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All right, Adam, 203 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: let's talk about the state of the Bengals. Your article 204 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: has this title super Bowl or bust for Joe Burrow 205 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 2: and company. You are setting the bar very high, which 206 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: we like here in Cincinnati. Share your thoughts on your 207 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: expectations for the Bengals this year. 208 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: I don't think that I'm setting the bar high. You 209 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 1: guys are setting the bar high. I think that over 210 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: the last couple of seasons, I thought that the Bengals 211 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: were the best team in the AFC. Two years ago 212 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: obviously went to the Super Bowl loss a very close 213 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: contest to the La RAI that could have gone either way. 214 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: Last season, of course, things happened. You know, when you 215 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: allow the Kansas City Chiefs to have extra plays willy nilly, 216 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: like a wait, hold on, it's a doe over, Like 217 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: I've never seen that stuff since we were kids playing 218 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: on the street. Be like, no, no, no, that's a do over, 219 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: Like what do you mean it's a doover? Like no, no, no, 220 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: we did it like that is inexcusable. So again, you know, 221 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 1: things being what they were, I think that over the 222 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: last couple of years, the Cincinnati Bengals have proven themselves 223 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: that if they are not the best team in the AFC, 224 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: there are certainly top two. And here's here's here's the 225 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: thing nobody wants to talk about. They went out and 226 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 1: they got better. Not only did they get better. And 227 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna I don't want to. I don't 228 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: want to use all my my take all my shots here. 229 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: But it's like and the whole thing of like keeping 230 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator, like you did not get raided on 231 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: the staff, it's insane. Do how are the Bengals so good? 232 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: But you know what, do you want to hire all 233 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: the Eagles guys? You want to hire guys from the Rams? Still, 234 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: like go crazy. The Bengals staff is in tack. They've 235 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: fortified the roster. If I was a Chiefs fan, I 236 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: would be very worried. But they're not because the Chiefs 237 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: fans are arrogant and. 238 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: They have Patrick Mahomes, which obviously helped. He's fine, Yeah, 239 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: he's all right, he's all right. It's not Pat who 240 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 2: that's for sure. So I agree that you are not 241 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 2: setting the bar too high. But on NFL Network, he 242 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: recently went through game by game and looked at the 243 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 2: Bengals schedule. You've got them starting thirteen and one, including 244 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 2: wins over the forty nine ers in San Francisco and 245 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 2: the Bills at home. You've got them at fourteen and 246 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 2: three overall with a win over the Chiefs on New 247 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: Year's Eve, and fourteen and three only because they are 248 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: basically taking the final game of the season off. Yeah, 249 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 2: the rest of the playoffs is the number one seed? 250 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 2: Are they your number one team overall in the entire NFL. 251 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: I believe that the Bengals are the best team, not 252 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: only in the AFC, but all of the NFL. I 253 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: think that they've gone out there, as I've said, They've 254 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: fortified their team, They've gotten bet are in places where 255 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: they were not as strong. They've kept the coaching staff 256 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: in tact. You talk about Patrick Mahomes. The Bengals have 257 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, who I feel is on that elite class 258 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: like you have Roman Reigns and you have John Cena. 259 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: Both of them could have a claim to be the 260 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: greatest of their era. I think that both of these 261 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: guys that when their careers are said and done, that 262 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: they're gonna be like I was better you or better 263 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is, They're gonna be very equal. 264 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: And I think that Joe Burrow has been able to 265 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: do it behind an offensive line that has had some deficiencies. 266 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: You know, I look back at this too, and I 267 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: know this is a long winded answer to a very 268 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: short question, but I go back to the whole thing 269 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: about taking Penny Suwel or taking Jamar Chase. I remember 270 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: doing my mock draft with a twist and I said, 271 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: you know, take Penny Seol. It makes sense when you 272 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: took the wide receiver Jamar Chase, I wrote in my 273 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: State of the Franchise article that year, is that I 274 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: was in like, I allow you like if you go 275 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: if we go out for pizza, and I'm like, I 276 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: would like the Hawaiian style, and you're gonna like, no, no, 277 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: I want the Buffalo chick and be like, that's also 278 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: a great choice. I'm with you. I agree with you, 279 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: and I felt that the Bengals, you know, they've done 280 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: their due diligence. I have a lot of faith in 281 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: what they were doing. It makes a lot of sense. 282 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 1: I get it, and now it looks like it is 283 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: going to pay off because Jamar Chase is If he's 284 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 1: not the best wide receiver in the game, maybe justin 285 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: Jefferson's ahead of him. You can make an argument for 286 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: Devonte Adams. Fine, Jamar Chase is a top five wide 287 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: receiver and he's been so instrumental in him being there. 288 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: I would say this, if you didn't have Jamar Chase, 289 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: you don't go to the Super Bowl two years ago. 290 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: You're not in the AFC Championship game. It's as great 291 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: as Penny Stool has been. What does it meant for 292 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: the Lions. It is not like they didn't get to 293 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: the playoffs. So I love everything that they've done and 294 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: I think that they are sincerely the best team. Last year, 295 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: you know, they went to Buffalo and beat that team, 296 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: and again everybody was not giving them for whatever reason, 297 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: people were not giving the Bengals a chance in that game. 298 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: They should have gone to Arrowhead and won that game 299 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: as well. And I think that I love everything with 300 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:05,119 Speaker 1: Burrowhead Patrick who Patrick Who's a little excessive, but Burrowhead 301 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: absolutely apt. The Bengals own that team. I feel like 302 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: they owned the Bills, They owned the they owned the Chiefs, 303 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: they own all of them. And so you know what, 304 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: the division being very tough is gonna also help them 305 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: because they play good competition all the time. But I 306 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: when I look at the schedule, I'm like, I think 307 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: the Bengals are a better team here, They're a better 308 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: team there. And really the losses are the ones, like 309 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: you said, like it's the end of the season, Like 310 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, you're playing with it. Cleveland game, Yeah, 311 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: who cares that is a Cleveland Who's going to be 312 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: the head coach? Then who's who's there? Because Stefanski's gonna 313 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: end up being fired? They have not who's their defensive coordinator? 314 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz. Jim Schwartz. Yeah, Jim Schwartz is gonna end 315 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: up being the Browns coach at some point this season. 316 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: That's my that's my hot take, he said. Jim Schwartz 317 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: playing for his job in twenty twenty four, is going 318 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: to eke out a meaningless win over the Bengals in 319 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: Week eighteen. That's that's the kind of thought I put 320 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: into this stuff. I know a lot of people are like, 321 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: you're crazy, you don't know what you're doing, And you 322 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: could look back at some of the predictions last year 323 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: and be like, yeah, you're absolutely correct. But sometimes I 324 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: do know what I'm talking about, and I think that 325 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz is gonna end up being the coach of 326 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: the Browns this season. That's a bad that's a bad situation. 327 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: Like I get the Kevin Stefanski wants to win and 328 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: you want to bring in an experienced defensive coordinator to 329 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: help you along. Don't pick it. Don't bring in the 330 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: guy that has NFL head coaching experience, Like it's the 331 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: whole thing, Like what am I doing? Like Mike McCarthy 332 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: has got to constantly be looking over his shoulder because 333 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: Dan Quinn is eventually going to be a head coach 334 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: at some point. Like these guys like okay, like it 335 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: it makes sense, Like I get the theory behind it, 336 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: but like, do you really is this really what you 337 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: want to do? It is like it's like a sitcom. 338 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: It's like Zach telling Slater to like take care of 339 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: Kelly while he's out of town. He's like, oh, now 340 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: they're dating. When I come to That's exactly what it 341 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: feels like with the Browns. So good luck with that. 342 00:16:58,800 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: Whole situation. 343 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 2: I hope. 344 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: I don't want you guys to lose to the Browns 345 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: in Week eighteen. And believe me, I'm not saying the 346 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: Browns are a better team, but circumstances being what they were. 347 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: I look through all this stuff, I just feel like 348 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: that's a very Browns win kind of game for them 349 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: to finish seven and ten and for the Bengals to 350 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: get ready for a playoff run. 351 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,239 Speaker 2: Well, you've got the Bengals beating the Browns, excuse me, 352 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 2: in Cleveland in week one. 353 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: Obviously, let's be realistic. What's going to happen. 354 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: We are chatting with Adam Rank from the NFL Network. 355 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 2: You can read his state of the franchise articles at 356 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 2: NFL dot com. You can also follow him on Twitter 357 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: at Adam Rank. I don't want to spoil too much 358 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 2: in your article about the Bengals, but you have the 359 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: offensive line listed as a strength. Yeah, it's been a 360 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: while since any national expert listed the Bengals offensive line 361 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 2: as a strength. Orlando Brown Junior moved the needle that much, apparently, absolutely. 362 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: I mean that is such a huge deal. Is to 363 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: go out there and land and left tackle that you 364 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: feel not that the not that you were. It was 365 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: a detriment last season. But at the same time, like 366 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: having Orlando Brown Junior in there and being able to 367 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: like kind of quell all all the egos. Some people 368 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: have to change position, which I know is not as 369 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: easy as a lot of people. But it feels like 370 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: and from and you're there, you're you're on the ground, 371 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: so you would know better than me. But from my 372 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: from from my outside view, it feels like everybody's copa setic. 373 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: Now everybody's fine, cooler, calmer, calmer heads prevailed. I think 374 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: that a lot of times too, Like it is, there's 375 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of an ego thing, like you feel 376 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: like you're a left tackle, you want me to play 377 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: right tackle, but like Orlando Brown Junior is pretty good, 378 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: Like it makes sense. Sometimes you've got to accommodate some people. 379 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: And I think that now and even Loyol Collins, you know, 380 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: he doesn't need to rush back. That's a depth piece 381 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: now like that before was like we need him to play. 382 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: Now it's like, okay, yeah, whatever, you could just it's 383 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: it's it's a depth piece. And I think that we're 384 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: starting to see that emerge as a strength for the 385 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: Bengals and now as a long term play. Now you 386 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: look back at the Jamar Chase draft pick and you're like, Okay, 387 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: now it's all working out. We got the one super Bowl, 388 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: we've been to back to back AFC title games. I 389 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: think the Jamar Chase thing has been vindicated. Now your 390 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: offensive line is even better. And if you give Joe 391 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: Burrow more time to throw with what I consider probably 392 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: the best trio of wide receivers in the NFL, I 393 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 1: think that's a huge thing, and I as scary as 394 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: it is, because last year Joe Burrow obviously set a 395 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: club record with thirty five touchdown passes. The thing that 396 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: he could be even better, Like he's an ascending player. Still. 397 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: As much as we love Patrick Mahomes and everything, Joe 398 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: Burrow is still an ascending player. And I love everything 399 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: about this situation. And I really do feel very comfortable 400 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: with the Bengals offense moving forward, especially the offensive line. 401 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 2: And as far as I know, you can only have 402 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 2: your appendix taken out once, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, So 403 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 2: Joe should be good in Week one this year as 404 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 2: opposed to not himself until about Week. 405 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: Three or four. Yeah, that's that's another thing. That gets 406 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: just kind of like overlooked, like people talk about well 407 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: this team had this or we and I was like, uh, 408 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow had its appendix out in August if I 409 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: if I remember the timeline correcting camp, it was yeah, 410 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: that's right, because we were doing that. We had an 411 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: interview scheduled with him. He was supposed to join us, 412 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: Tom Pillisero and me. He was going to join and 413 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: I know Ian was there as well, but Ian was 414 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: leaving to Indianapolis. But Tom and I were going to 415 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: interview him. We're gonna get I was so excited of like, 416 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, because honestly it was my first time 417 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: being in Cincinnati as an adult. So that was cool. 418 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: By the way, I will say this Renee Paquette, who 419 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: is an announcer for ae W. She had tweeted out 420 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: something that said, Hey, I've heard that Cincinnati is the 421 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 1: San Diego of the Midwest, and I think I saw 422 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: that painted on a building somewhere and I I'll be 423 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: the judge of this. As a San Diego expert, I 424 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: will be and I'm dubious of this. And I show 425 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: up to Cincinnati and I was like, yeah, I get it. 426 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: I see it. It makes a lot of sense, Like, yeah, oh, 427 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: the breweries, the original sam Adams Brewery, the Rhine, I 428 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: believe it guys. The market, but the marketplace where the 429 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: Reds state the Reds Parade Startsley Market. That's Finley Market, 430 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: Binley Market. 431 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 6: Oh. 432 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: I was at Binley Market and I was walking by 433 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: and I saw a bunch of people lined up for 434 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: bread and I'm like, I just got in the line 435 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: and somebody's like, what's good here. I'm like, I don't know, 436 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: but there's a ton of people here, so it can't 437 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: be terrible. I'm just gonna buy. I'm gonna let my heart. 438 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,479 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, like, just fill my basket up with 439 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: whatever for twenty. 440 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 6: Bakery. 441 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: Yes, So I loved everything about it. I went to 442 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: the ballpark. It was amazing. But I was most excited 443 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: about talking to Joe Burrow, but unfortunately he did have 444 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: his appendix, we didn't get to talk to him. But again, 445 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: he's coming into camp healthy, ready to go. This team 446 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: and it feels like it's it's very cohesive. Again, the 447 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: egos on the offensive line seem to be all squared away. 448 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: So I love everything that's going on with the Bengals 449 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: right now, I hope to get out there again. 450 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 2: We hope you get back out here because you brought 451 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 2: good mojo for that training camp visit. So, following up 452 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 2: on the Pina Sewell Jamar Chase draft, I was one 453 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: hundred percent Pina Sewell going into it. I'm glad to 454 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 2: have been wrong. What I learned is that the value 455 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 2: of a transcendent wide receiver is greater than the value 456 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 2: of any individual offensive lineman, with the possible exception of 457 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 2: Anthony Munoz in his prime. 458 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: Right, but you're. 459 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 2: Five good offensive linemen. You don't necessarily need the best 460 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 2: offensive lineman in the league. You just can't have really 461 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 2: bad ones. 462 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to be a debt. You don't 463 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: want it to be a detriment. You don't want it 464 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: to be the worst offensive line. You want to at 465 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 1: least be a somewhat of a roadblock. And I think 466 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: it was over exaggerated about how much it was going 467 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: to be. Now, obviously you can look back at the 468 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: Super Bowl and say, well, I mean, you know, Aaron 469 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: Donald was able to play very well, But you're like, 470 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald's an exceptional player like that, he beats a 471 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: lot of good offensive linemen. But I'm with you, like initially, 472 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: like whoever they would have drafted that year, I would 473 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: have been able to I would have been able to 474 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: see the process and understand the rationale behind it. Like 475 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: when David Caruso left NYPD Blue to go do movies. 476 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: You kind of understand what he's talking about. Sometimes it 477 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 1: works out. Like David Caruso, it didn't work out as 478 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: well for him, he has to go back to do 479 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: CSI Miami. George Clooney did the same thing. He left 480 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: dr Like, what are you doing. You're losing, You're leaving 481 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: this television show that he goes out to be the 482 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: kloon dog and then everything's great. So you understand the process. 483 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: Oh Clooney. By the way, I did not mean I 484 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: was not pandering to the Cincinnati crowd by doing that. 485 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: I'm a huge George Clooney fan by nature, but of 486 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: course he's also a famous Bengals fan, and I'm assuming 487 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: a Reds fan too. By the way, That's the one 488 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: thing that I love about what's happening in Cincinnati. Your 489 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: soccer team. They yet I don't know one loss. 490 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 2: They have one loss all year, so great record setting pace. 491 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: So amazing for them, and then the Red's playing so well. 492 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: I love the Reds are almost my National League team 493 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: because I fell in love with that stadium and fell 494 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: in love with the crowd last year. And uh, and 495 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: Ellie doing what he's doing like it's cool. And you 496 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: got a bunch of prospects for the Mariners, who I hate. 497 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: I know, it seems weird. Somebody's like, somebody hates the Mariners. 498 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we we in southern California, especially if you're 499 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: an Angels fan, we hate the Mariners. So I want 500 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: both of those prospects, or all the prospects you got 501 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: for Luis Castillo to be All Stars so we can 502 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: rub that in Seattle's face forever. All right, I love it. 503 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 2: So there are some question marks on the Bengals roster, 504 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 2: most notably in the secondary. Three members of the secondary 505 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 2: that started in THEFC Championship Game last year are no 506 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 2: longer around. Jesse Bates, von Bell, Eli Apple, You're not 507 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: overly concerned about. 508 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,479 Speaker 1: That, correct, I mean I'm somewhat concerned. I think if 509 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: there is an Achilles heal with this team and you 510 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: need Dak Siel to step up, you know, And I 511 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: was trying to be as positive as possible. I'm going 512 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: back and forth with the editors and they're like, well, 513 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: we're not seeing it on tape, and I'm like, yeah, 514 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: but you know what, Like you said, they had great 515 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: players playing ahead of him, that he wasn't really pressed 516 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: into action all that much. But listen, he's a first 517 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 1: round pick for a reason. And I believe that your 518 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: secondary coach came out and said the same thing. It's like, 519 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: these guys have ability and at some point you just 520 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: need to roll the dice. And the one thing that 521 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: I really like about the Bengals, and I know that 522 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: I put this in the piece, is that they've never 523 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: really been a dominant defense, like you know, the eighty 524 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: six Bears. And I know that I said eighty six Bears, 525 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: the eighty six Bears. Statistically, we're better than the eighty 526 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 1: five Bears. I know what I'm talking about. The Ravens 527 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: of the early two thousands. You don't need to be 528 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: that good, especially in the modern NFL, especially when you 529 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: get to the playoffs. Now you're going to get into 530 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 1: these They're gonna be a lot closer than you anticipate. 531 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: But you know, can you make the stops when you 532 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: need to make the stops. I think we saw that 533 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,719 Speaker 1: last year against Buffalo, and I think Dax actually went 534 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: out there and made a pretty nice play on I 535 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: believe it was Dawson Knox. He's shown that he can 536 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: do it at times. So I think that the way 537 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: that the Bengals play defense, they take the spirit from people. 538 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: They really do. They really do come out there. And 539 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: I felt like in that especially that game against the Bills, 540 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: like they shook Josh Allen. They have done a really 541 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: nice job against Patrick Mahomes. You hold him to twenty 542 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: three points. That's a pretty good job. Like, hey, are 543 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: you shutting teams down? Like no, but like the team, 544 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: the NFL doesn't work that way anymore. They've changed the 545 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: rules so much that you can't have a dominant defense, 546 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: and it doesn't make sense to have a dominant defense 547 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: in some In some respects, you gotta be able to 548 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: score points. The Bengals can do that. You gotta have 549 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: a defense. You have to have a defensive coordinator that 550 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: knows how to shut down people, that knows how to 551 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: get the most out of the talent around him. I 552 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: think that all the guys who are leaving, you know, 553 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: Baits and all them, everybody who's leaving. They're good players. 554 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: But I think as long as you keep I'marilla or 555 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: sorry about and and Arumo, I always say that incorrectly. 556 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: That's why that's why I take the coward's way out 557 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: and say the defensive coordinator Lou Lou Lou is so 558 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: good as finding way because, like if you think about it, 559 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: two years ago, he really solved the puzzle of stop 560 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: or at least slowing down Patrick Mahomes and really going 561 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: out there and putting together a plan that can slow 562 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: him down. Even last year, I know that they ended 563 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: up winning. You know, that's what happens when you give 564 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: a quarterback that good eight downs to get a first 565 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: Then fine, I'm not saying whatever. I don't want to 566 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: get into trouble. I'm still a league employee. So I 567 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: think that he's done a great job, and so I 568 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,719 Speaker 1: have a lot of confidence of that. And you know what, 569 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: every team is shifting, every team is juggling rosters. I 570 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: think the Bengals have proven over the last couple of 571 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: years that they know what they're doing. They've got a 572 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: great plan, they've got a great process. So I'm going 573 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: to give them the benefit of the doubt, and I 574 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: think they're going to find a way. They're not going 575 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: to be the most dominant defense in the NFL, but 576 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 1: they're going to be able to make the stops when 577 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: they need to, and that's the most important thing. 578 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 2: Has Cincinnati Kansas City become the hottest rivalry in the NFL? Oh? 579 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's so much fun. I know we're probably old 580 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 1: enough to remember the Cowboys and the forty nine Ers 581 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: going back and forth in the nineteen nineties. He had 582 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: the Ravens and Ravens than Steelers for a couple of years. 583 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: That was the hot ticket. And there's been some other 584 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: one San Francisco, Green Bay, things of that nature. But 585 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: I think that the one thing that is so special 586 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: about the Chiefs and the Bengals is that they both 587 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: have marquee quarterbacks. Sometimes you get into these, man it's 588 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: a defensive team against an offensive team, like what is 589 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo versus Aaron Rodgers. It's not quite as sexy 590 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: as Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes, who arguably are the 591 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: two best quarterbacks in the NFL. I can't imagine who 592 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: you would rank ahead of them. I'm sure somebody will 593 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: chime in, not in Cincinnati, somebody somewhere will take up 594 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: a probably Buffalo, which, by the way, Buffalo, And if 595 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: you saw my predictions for Buffalo, I'm not a big 596 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: believer in that team. I think that I think that 597 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: Buffalo's window might be closing. I think it might be 598 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: closing a little bit sooner than people think, but I do. 599 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: I don't feel that way with Cincinnati, and I think 600 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: it's because of the quarterback and everything. And this is 601 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: why this rivalry is so good, because you have two 602 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: marquee guys at the quarterback position, which is everything you 603 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: want in one of these great rivalries. Even like for 604 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: anybody who grew up in the eighties, like all these 605 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: teams had, all these teams that were good always had 606 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: a good quarterback, whether it was the Broncos they had Lway. 607 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: Even Phil Simms with the Giants was pretty good. I 608 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: guess the Washington team never this. Thisman was fine, but 609 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: still Montana. All those guys. You want to have that 610 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: marquee quarterback and both teams have that. So that's why 611 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: I love this rivalry. 612 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 2: We're talking to Adam Rank from the NFL Network. You 613 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 2: can check out his State of the Franchise articles at 614 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 2: NFL dot com. So you've done the State of the 615 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,239 Speaker 2: Franchise articles on the other teams in the division. How 616 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 2: do you think everybody else stacks up Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh. 617 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, I'm impressed by Baltimore going out 618 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: there and really addressing the wide receiver position. It's strange 619 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: to me that they've never drafted a Pro Bowl wide receiver, 620 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: and you think about all the guys. Every year, it 621 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: seems like they draft a wide receiver. It was Rashad 622 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: Bateman a couple of years ago. He's missed some games. 623 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: Now it's Zay Flowers. I want to believe in my 624 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: scouting or at least listening to the scouts who tell me, like, 625 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: I think Zay Flowers is a good player. We saw 626 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: some of the film of him at Boston College. But 627 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: you're like, he's still drafted by the Ravens, Like, how 628 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: good is it going to be? I love Odell Beckham junior. 629 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: He is a premier wide receiver, and it's like, oh, 630 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: but it's gonna be Isaiah Likely who ends up leading 631 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: the team in receptions or something like that. I want 632 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: to see. But I love Baltimore. I like John Harbaugh. 633 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: I think he's a great coach, but he got to 634 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: see it. You know, there's something about them like they 635 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: need to be able to get over that hump, you know. 636 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: With Lamar Jackson, I'm a big Lamar Jackson fan, and 637 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: I would even point out that, you know, even like 638 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: I know a lot of teams are like, well, if 639 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: we get them in a deficit, they they can't rally 640 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. But Lamar Jackson has really good 641 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: numbers when he's trailing in the fourth quarter. You know, 642 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: I put that in the piece as well. But at 643 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: some point you got to do it, you know. That's 644 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: the biggest thing with me is like Lamar Jackson's what 645 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: one and three in the playoffs. One of those wins 646 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: came against the Chargers, which I don't think should count. Joe. 647 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: That's the one thing about Joe Burrow, It's like we've 648 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: already seen it. Like we've seen him go to the 649 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: super Bowl, We've seen him win big games, win big 650 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: games on the road. We have not seen that from Baltimore. 651 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: I like, what's doing my scouting or my my thoughts 652 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: of Kenny Pickett coming in last year? I didn't think 653 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: he was the best quarterback prospect. Now he played very 654 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: well at the end of the season, But I think 655 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: a lot of that coincided with TJ. Watt returning. They're like, well, 656 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett was six and two in his last eight games, 657 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: are like, well, TJ. Watt also returned, Like, let's not 658 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: forget that it's TJ. Watt who returned that also helped 659 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,959 Speaker 1: propel them to all those wins. So I think they 660 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: still have some question marks at quarterback. And then Cleveland, 661 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: I whatever. Like, again, I've already given you my thoughts 662 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: on Cleveland. You've already fired Stefanski. I've already fired him. 663 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: I don't like their quarterback. I I don't know. I 664 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: just I don't like the situation. I don't like what 665 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: they've done. Like I just I just don't dig it, honestly, 666 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,719 Speaker 1: like any quarterback that you're gonna go out there and 667 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: give a fully getting You're you're giving up so much capital. 668 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: You know, you gave up so much draft capital to 669 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: get this quarterback who hadn't played what twenty months or 670 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: something like that. It's such a huge risk, like giving 671 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: up that, Like even Denver found out the hard way like, 672 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: maybe you should build a better team around some of 673 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: these quarterbacks. Maybe these quarterbacks aren't as good as we 674 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: think they are. Now, there are some guys I think 675 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: who are transcendent who would be fine anywhere, Joe Burrow 676 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: being one of them, Patrick Mahomes being one of them. 677 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: I think Cleveland's gonna find out the hard way. And 678 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: then you know, when the season goes on, you know, 679 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: and you start as injuries happen and things start to 680 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: erode your depth, and you're like, oh, yeah, it would 681 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: have been nice to have a couple of first round 682 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: picks that we could plug in right here. That's gonna 683 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: end up hurting them. So I don't I don't know. 684 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: Cleveland could surprise me, and I will come out there 685 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: and I'll admit it, and I'll apologize to everybody in 686 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: Cleveland to Drew Carry everybody. I just don't see it. 687 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: I can make a case for Pittsburgh more so Baltimore, 688 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: who are good teams. I don't think they're the elite 689 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: level that Cincinnati is. 690 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 2: And you don't see Deshaun Watson returning to the four 691 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 2: that he displayed in Houston before all of his problems. 692 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: What is his form like, what is it like throwing 693 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: for four thousand yards and winning four games? Like AF 694 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 1: I could see that. I could definitely see Cleveland doing that. 695 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: I just don't see them winning a lot of football games. 696 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: Like He's never on the NFL level been able to 697 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 1: do that. And you look at it. Was it Houston? 698 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: Was it him? I don't know, Like last year it 699 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: didn't seem like maybe Houston knew what they were doing 700 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: when they got rid of him. So I need to 701 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: see it. I need to see him go out there 702 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: and perform in Cleveland. And they've got a pretty decent class. 703 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: I mean, they've got good wide receivers as well. Amari 704 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: Cooper continues to be vastly underrated. Nick Chubbs a very 705 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 1: good running back. Let's see if they can put it together. 706 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to remain skeptical until I see it. 707 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 2: So last thing, the Bengals are your AFC team. Let's 708 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 2: say they stay relatively injury free. I'm knocking on my 709 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 2: head and live up to that prediction. Who do they 710 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 2: face in the Super Bowl? He glass forty nine ers? 711 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 2: What do you think your beloved Bears for Bears? Why 712 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 2: can't I just say the Bears? Like I gotta know 713 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 2: if I was, if I'm picking it right now. It's 714 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 2: so hard for these teams to get back to the 715 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 2: super Bowl. We saw it last year with your own Bengals. 716 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 2: You know the Eagles are going to be back in 717 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 2: the NFC Championship game. I think that the NFC comes 718 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 2: down to two teams. It's the Bengal or the Bengals. 719 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 2: It's the forty nine Ers and it's the Eagles. 720 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: And I think that those two teams are vastly superior 721 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: to everybody else. The Cowboys fans will argue with this, 722 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 1: but still like it is the NFC North is, although 723 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: Lions fans think it's them, I don't, No, it's not. 724 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: I really like the forty nine Ers. I think that 725 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: they could figure out their quarterback situation and it's a 726 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 1: it's a huge leap of faith, but at Brock perty 727 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: And you can ask me again in August, once training 728 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 1: camp starts and we see Brock party throw or whether 729 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: Trey Lance is fully able to rehab. I think as 730 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: long as they lock in on one quarterback and go 731 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: with him, I think defensively they're great. They've got Christian McCaffrey, 732 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: they've got so much talent on offense, it's hard for 733 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: me to imagine them failing, and even last year in 734 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 1: that NFC Championship game, even being as like no dimensional 735 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,919 Speaker 1: as they were, and perhaps Philadelphia was just playing down 736 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: to their opponent, not exposing their full bag of tricks, 737 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: knowing that they were going to beat this team. I 738 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: thought the forty nine Ers made that game a lot 739 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: more competitive than it should have been. And at some point, 740 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, why aren't you just direct snapping at the 741 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey Just do that? Like why why not? Like 742 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,240 Speaker 1: I would I would have Christian McCaffrey taking snaps instead 743 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 1: of changing the rule for the emergency quarterback. I would 744 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 1: just have McCaffrey take snaps, or you could could you 745 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: catch the ball out of the shotgun? Like figure it out. 746 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 1: I think the forty nine ers are very good, so 747 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: I I don't know, you know what, I've actually now 748 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: talked myself into the Eagles because I think the stability 749 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: at the quarterback position with Jalen Hurts and a very 750 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: good team. Yeah, Bengals Eagles, Like it's. 751 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,439 Speaker 2: Like it should have been last year Bengals Eagles Super 752 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 2: Bowl and Stefanski fired with Jim Schwartz taking over at 753 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,399 Speaker 2: some point before the end of the year. Those are 754 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 2: the hot take predictions from this particular podcast appearance. 755 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: I love it. That's good. Well, hey, wait, why don't 756 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: I just throwing the Bears are making the playoffs too, 757 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: just so I can go completely, just to really erode 758 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: all my credibility. I know, I feel like I'm pandering, 759 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: but we've had this discussion. We've been doing this for 760 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: the last couple of years, and I remember the first 761 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: time that the Bengals made it back. You were like, 762 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 1: not surprised, but you're like, oh, you see a lot 763 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: of promise in this Bengals team. I go, I really 764 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: do so. As wrong as I've ever been about the 765 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: forty nine ers of some of these other teams, I 766 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: have been spot on with the Bengals, I feel every year, 767 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: so at least take heart in that it's like, I 768 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 1: know your team. I'm might not the other ones, but 769 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: I know the Bengals, and I know that you guys 770 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: are gonna be doing really well. All right. 771 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 2: The state of the franchise stories are great, They're very interesting, 772 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 2: they're very funny. You do a great job with it 773 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 2: every year, and I appreciate you coming on the podcast 774 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 2: every year. 775 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:56,359 Speaker 1: Thank you, Adam. 776 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,399 Speaker 2: Hope to see you in Cincinnati sometime during training camp. 777 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 1: I'd love to be on to Cincinnati because it's a 778 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: great town, great fans. I enjoyed every minute of it, 779 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 1: so I hope to do that again. And Asel. I 780 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: hope the Reds are in town because I gotta go 781 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 1: see Ali. Oh, gotta go see him. 782 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 2: That's going to do it for this episode of the 783 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 2: Bengals Booth Podcast brought to you by Kettering Health, the 784 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 2: official healthcare provider of the Bengals, by Bengals Picks and 785 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 2: Ultimate Bengals. They're free to play with tickets and signed 786 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 2: merchandise up for grabs by pay Corps, the official HR 787 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 2: software provider of the Bengals, and by Alta Fiber future 788 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 2: Proof Fiber Internet elevate your connection with Alta Fiber. 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