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Speaker 1: Isaiah Stanback, heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips and Kyle Yeoman's
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Speaker 1: Friday's last year it was say it with your Chest Day,
Speaker 1: you know, And it's a day where you bring the energy.
Speaker 1: It's a day where you bring the intensity. The hot
Speaker 1: takes the opinions. And I think this year we dial
Speaker 1: it back and we keep it calm, cool and collected.
Speaker 1: What do you guys say about that? Why are you
Speaker 1: out of your mind? Dial it back? And I know
Speaker 1: some listeners out there probably aren't ready for the heat.
Speaker 1: They aren't ready for that. He didn't put in his
Speaker 1: sexy hair cream this morning, sexy hair cream. Well it's
Speaker 1: called now y oh, don't act like that's not what's
Speaker 1: sell the two. Yeah, it's actually on the two. Okay,
Speaker 1: it says that for real. I don't think it says
Speaker 1: that word for you take that deep down a side
Speaker 1: deep and never bring it up again. Well you know
Speaker 1: what I think you guys are right. You've convinced me
Speaker 1: and I would never go say it with your chest
Speaker 1: Friday without showing a little bit of energy. So it's
Speaker 1: saying with your yes boy, yeah right now. I love
Speaker 1: messing with you guys, but we will always bring it.
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Speaker 1: questions because we're going to answer them coming up here
Speaker 1: in just a little bit. But how are we doing today, gentlemen?
Speaker 1: Because Isaiah doing great things, rob doing great things, and
Speaker 1: now we've got an official narrator of a documentary. I did.
Speaker 1: I did. I like the whole damn thing. But I
Speaker 1: liked I like the voice bringing us along the journey. Bro.
Speaker 1: The whole thing was absolutely crazy, the stories, the storylines,
Speaker 1: the how close we came to disaster. That was the
Speaker 1: one thing about making this that getting those backstories. I'm like,
Speaker 1: we we almost did what we what we were about
Speaker 1: to take whom Just thank god we didn't do that,
Speaker 1: the kidness. It could have been crazy the way that
Speaker 1: things turned out, I think for this organization, because it
Speaker 1: doesn't every draft, it's not a one year deal. It
Speaker 1: is a five to ten year investment on who you're picking.
Speaker 1: And war Stories is the name of the Deep Blue.
Speaker 1: You can go check it out on Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 1: com on the YouTube channel. It is fantastic and Heckma
Speaker 1: Harrison is the voice of that. So yeah, man, it
Speaker 1: really was really cool. Mad props to Caden Gates, Danny Sirek,
Speaker 1: of course Heckma and then all of the individuals that
Speaker 1: were a part of that as well. Nick Eatman was
Speaker 1: a big part of that too, and it was really
Speaker 1: really cool. So go check it out Deep Blue War Story.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure the narration part of it cannot be easy.
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta get your inflections just right, you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's not an easy thing to pull off, especially
Speaker 1: with a sultry voice. Well, it helps to have a
Speaker 1: sultry voice. No, let me tell you something. This is
Speaker 1: not really kind of none of us on this show.
Speaker 1: The kind of funny story is is that I did it.
Speaker 1: The first time I did it, I was so extra like,
Speaker 1: how good voice in it? And Derek and Nick came
Speaker 1: back to me and said, just stop it. We don't
Speaker 1: want that, We just want you just which is the best?
Speaker 1: Just read it? What was the what was the way
Speaker 1: they said it to you? Don't try and be Kyle,
Speaker 1: don't be called, don't do radio voice cod get away
Speaker 1: from ma, you know, don't do that. You do you
Speaker 1: and read it like you're sitting there talking to your wife.
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, that's easy. I do
Speaker 1: that all the time. It was perfect. It was perfect.
Speaker 1: And Nikki does it too, exactly narrated, and y'all are
Speaker 1: both awesome at it. But I'm gonna I gotta say this, man,
Speaker 1: just honestly, working here, working man. I work with some
Speaker 1: amazingly talented people. The people that on the back side
Speaker 1: that to roxam Adina, to Chris Beam, to Kevin Timp
Speaker 1: everybody that works here, Scott Purcell, Matt and you know, man,
Speaker 1: if y'all don't know, like, I'm not the most technically
Speaker 1: savvy person, so I am. I am always in awe
Speaker 1: of TV production people's ability to see to be forward thinking.
Speaker 1: Because I'm just reading this. I don't understand what it's
Speaker 1: gonna happen and how it's gonna be, how it's gonna
Speaker 1: play out, and it's just, man, everything about it I
Speaker 1: think is amazing. And being someone from Dallas, h man,
Speaker 1: I used to sell programs at Texas Stadium, you know,
Speaker 1: so to be able to do this, I mean, this
Speaker 1: never gets old to me. To be in this setting
Speaker 1: and to also know to be a part of those drafts,
Speaker 1: those and talk about those drafts like that. Man, Like
Speaker 1: I said, it's a it's an amazing blessing for me.
Speaker 1: And I don't take it lightly off for granted, but
Speaker 1: that was that was yeah, yeah, yeah, that's for the kid, right.
Speaker 1: You guys should have seen his face when he saw
Speaker 1: it streaming live. We were about to do the high
Speaker 1: school game last night and we were in the booth
Speaker 1: and we were about what fifteen minutes to kick off? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I mean it was we were getting right up
Speaker 1: on like getting on air, and he looks down at
Speaker 1: his moone he goes, no waylay. They just like freaked out.
Speaker 1: It was awesome. It was a great job to you
Speaker 1: and everybody involved with that. But I think it's it's
Speaker 1: only fitting since we're talking about war stories and we're
Speaker 1: talking about the draft, let's talk about some rookies a
Speaker 1: little bit here on this edition of Talking Cowboys. Now.
Speaker 1: A tough task for some of these guys that are
Speaker 1: trying to make the roster and that are now currently
Speaker 1: in COVID nineteen protocols like in Israel, Mukuamu. I'll leave
Speaker 1: those guys out, but rob out of the rookies that
Speaker 1: you've seen over the last couple of weeks, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take Michael Parsons out of this. Who has impressed you
Speaker 1: the most since you've returned from Oxnar Ohsa Diggi Zola.
Speaker 1: I think I said it the other day. I mean,
Speaker 1: he even if he's not a starter at defensive tackle
Speaker 1: while Neville Gallimore is out with that elbow injury, he's
Speaker 1: gonna play a lot and he's played really well. He's
Speaker 1: been a guy that you know they've got him at
Speaker 1: the three technique, but he can move around the defensive
Speaker 1: front and his pass rush has been really good and
Speaker 1: it shows up in the pre season games as well
Speaker 1: as practice. We saw it from the jump in Ox
Speaker 1: and Ard. You know, for a third round draft pick
Speaker 1: to have the type of camp he's having, I think
Speaker 1: you have to feel better about your tackle depth despite
Speaker 1: the fact that you know you're missing a key piece
Speaker 1: of your defense. Right now. With Galimore being out, they
Speaker 1: were really expecting him to take a big jump. Still might,
Speaker 1: but he's gonna be out several weeks, so they need
Speaker 1: Osa to deliver, and so far he has. We'll see
Speaker 1: if he can carry over. Though Osa Diggy Zoola was
Speaker 1: taking seven spots higher than Neville Gallimore was in their
Speaker 1: respective drafts. I mean Osa was seventy five, Gallimore was
Speaker 1: eighty two. Isaiah, from what you've seen from Osa Diggy zooa,
Speaker 1: has he gotten off to a better start than Nevill
Speaker 1: Gallimore did last year. I mean we've seen both of
Speaker 1: these guys since this group has been on this show.
Speaker 1: We've had those conversations about both of those guys as rookies.
Speaker 1: Who do you think was ahead at this point? That's
Speaker 1: a tough question because they're they're they're coming into two
Speaker 1: separate systems, and I think they have two different attributes.
Speaker 1: I think that Olsa is a lot more explosive than Gallimore.
Speaker 1: Gallimore's more of a can kind of consume you type
Speaker 1: of type of guy, UM, and Olsa is like, I
Speaker 1: need to get up in there, right, I need to
Speaker 1: be I need to penetrate, let me let me find
Speaker 1: a see. So UM, it's kind of hard to say
Speaker 1: which one is ahead at this point in time. I
Speaker 1: think that with the with the skill set that that
Speaker 1: Olsa has in this system, I think that he will
Speaker 1: be definitely have opportunity to shine more um because of
Speaker 1: the abilities and the and the opportunities that he's going
Speaker 1: to have underneath dan Quinn No. I like that. And
Speaker 1: I think that Neville Gallimore, to sort of disadvantage from
Speaker 1: last year, was retaught how to be a two gap
Speaker 1: guy and so that's what turned him into that. But
Speaker 1: I think this going into training camp, you saw those
Speaker 1: changes about him, you know, with him being able to
Speaker 1: pin his ears back and beat gaps, sound and attack um.
Speaker 1: But if you know Quinn Bohanna to the rookie has
Speaker 1: shown uh, you know I think we were thinking about
Speaker 1: when when Woods departed, Um with the whole replacing Don
Speaker 1: Terry Pole and guys like that, to get our defense sound,
Speaker 1: for our linebackers to be able to flow. I think
Speaker 1: Quentin Bohanna has stepped in naturally, and I like, um,
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing about him from from front office guys
Speaker 1: that he's an old soul is what I'm hearing. Is
Speaker 1: this really a laidback, laid back rookie, but he's showing
Speaker 1: what he has and showing us that he's gonna bring
Speaker 1: some value to this defensive line. A lot of the
Speaker 1: defensive tackle talk after the Neville Gallimore injury against Arizona
Speaker 1: was woe is me, Oh my gosh, here we go again.
Speaker 1: We're thin a d tackle. But there is a lot
Speaker 1: of positivity I think around those two guys Osa and
Speaker 1: about Quentin Bohanna as well. But I'll throw this back
Speaker 1: at you, heckma, how important is it for young defensive
Speaker 1: tackles to be simplified? Because you mentioned Nevil Gallimore trying
Speaker 1: to be a two gap player, that's something he could
Speaker 1: certainly do. It wasn't in his comfort zone, and he's
Speaker 1: he's better as a one gap guy. But how how
Speaker 1: does that kind of formulate a defense in order for
Speaker 1: those guys to be successful? And if you ask any
Speaker 1: defensive player, the number one thing that they want to
Speaker 1: do is just read and react. They don't want to
Speaker 1: do a whole lot of thinking. If you give them
Speaker 1: too many responsibilities, that's where you have a defense that's
Speaker 1: playing slow. And so when guys can be gap sound,
Speaker 1: they know where they need to be and they can
Speaker 1: just focus on that, that's when you get the best
Speaker 1: out of guys, you know. And again, I don't want
Speaker 1: to I think too much has been made about Mike
Speaker 1: Nolan and what's the success that he didn't have. I
Speaker 1: don't think that he was ever set up to be
Speaker 1: successful in the year that we had, right, So I
Speaker 1: just feel as though this new defensive scheme for Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn and all of the energy that he's bringing to
Speaker 1: the front line, I think that him teaching these guys
Speaker 1: exactly what he's expecting out of them and his defense,
Speaker 1: it's what's important, and that's you know. And I think
Speaker 1: that's just a byproduct of what we've been seeing in
Speaker 1: the preseason, the way these guys have been flowing to
Speaker 1: the ball. Rob do you agree, Oh, for sure. I
Speaker 1: was actually I was trying to go down the list
Speaker 1: and see if there's anybody else that really Jabril Cox's huge.
Speaker 1: Go ahead. No, I like Jabrille and I like him
Speaker 1: like again, he's a he's a product of this system.
Speaker 1: This is where he will shine simply because of his abilities.
Speaker 1: He's a solid size, and he's fast, he's quick. His
Speaker 1: ability to be able to carry tight ends, which we've
Speaker 1: talked about extensively on the show. That's becoming a highlighted
Speaker 1: position in this league. And you need a guy who
Speaker 1: can run. You need a guy that can run. You
Speaker 1: want to keep your secondary back you prefer to get
Speaker 1: you will preferred to stay too high safety and keep
Speaker 1: your front seven just intact. You don't really you really
Speaker 1: don't want to bring that guy down into the box.
Speaker 1: So I think Jabrille allows for you to do that
Speaker 1: instead of having to bring, you know, roll somebody down
Speaker 1: and row somebody down close to the line. But they
Speaker 1: talk about the advantages of being able to keep two
Speaker 1: safeties high and trust your front. Yeah. So typically whenever
Speaker 1: you run, whenever as an offensive front right, if the
Speaker 1: quarterback comes up to the line of scrimmage, if you
Speaker 1: have two plays called, which is typically what you do
Speaker 1: all the time. Now in this NFL, you come up
Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage, you see too high. Usually
Speaker 1: if you have a run play called, you're running the
Speaker 1: run play. Usually you're running the run play. Because you
Speaker 1: have a seven man box. You feel pretty good about that. Typically,
Speaker 1: how do teams take away your run, Well, they bring
Speaker 1: that safety, they roll that safety down. So now you
Speaker 1: have an eight man box. So now you come up,
Speaker 1: you have eight man box. What do you want to
Speaker 1: do as an offense? I want to throw the ball right.
Speaker 1: But so now what you're starting to see is a
Speaker 1: lot of teams are coming up with these three receiver sets, right,
Speaker 1: so there's really four weapons out there. So instead of
Speaker 1: having to roll that safety down to still have to
Speaker 1: respect that respect the run. Now you can keep two
Speaker 1: guys back, you keep two guys deep on in the
Speaker 1: back end bringing your nickel. Now you've covered up everything
Speaker 1: in terms of receiving potential, and you still have help
Speaker 1: on both sides of the field. Most of the time
Speaker 1: you have helping in the middle of the field and
Speaker 1: single high. I could look that safety off if I'm
Speaker 1: really you know, if I'm really good with my eyes,
Speaker 1: I could really put guy. I can overload them. I
Speaker 1: could flood that safety to make them have to favor
Speaker 1: one side, and I could isolate guys like Coop, right,
Speaker 1: I can put Coop on one person, whatever I want
Speaker 1: to do. When you have guys two guys back, it
Speaker 1: makes it really difficult for offenses to throw the ball.
Speaker 1: And if you have a front seven that's dominant and
Speaker 1: you have some guys up front that can really get
Speaker 1: a push and allow our now linebackers to run free,
Speaker 1: we can stop both attacks that the offense can can
Speaker 1: have against us. Talking about so you're talking two high safety,
Speaker 1: so cover two, but dan Quinn traditionally is run a
Speaker 1: cover three. What is the biggest difference between the cover
Speaker 1: two and cover three? Whenever you kind of talk about
Speaker 1: the front seven as well. So you hear a lot
Speaker 1: about cover two whenever you see two high safety, that's
Speaker 1: not just it, that's really at the surface level. So
Speaker 1: on the surface level is Covered two, and then there's
Speaker 1: Cover four, which is every guy has a quarter of
Speaker 1: the field. But then you have like Cover eight or
Speaker 1: it's half covered two and it's half Cover four, and
Speaker 1: then you have all Cover six and a bunch of
Speaker 1: other different variations that don't really get talked about. But
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different combinations on one side of
Speaker 1: the field where we're playing. Hey, Coop likes to run
Speaker 1: these type of routes. So we're gonna roll, We're gonna
Speaker 1: run two man. Not only we're gonna run cover two
Speaker 1: the safety over the top. We're I'm gonna move that
Speaker 1: cornerback on the inside of them, and I'm anna force
Speaker 1: everything Coop does on the outside or anybody else, right,
Speaker 1: I want to force them. Right. We might see that
Speaker 1: against Tampa Bay. You saw it a lot against Michael Gallipla,
Speaker 1: absolutely right. So when we face Tampa Bay, if we
Speaker 1: can have a front seven, that's that's a boss, and
Speaker 1: we can keep two high safeties. Now, guess what, Mike Evans, No, no,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take you. We're gonna liminate you. We're gonna
Speaker 1: move our cornerback inside. Tradevon is gonna move inside, or
Speaker 1: maybe we don't have to use Trayvon on you, because
Speaker 1: now we can run a zone on that side of
Speaker 1: the field and we can man everybody else up with
Speaker 1: safety health. So there's a lot of different options that
Speaker 1: it really provides you and it gives you a lot
Speaker 1: of advantages with the ability to stop the run and
Speaker 1: stop the pass. Yeah, and seeing the way that Quinn
Speaker 1: is incorporating some Tampa two into his scheme, it says
Speaker 1: a lot about what he thinks about his front and
Speaker 1: their ability to hunt. Because the defensive mindset is, if
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play cover two, then I believe wholeheartedly that
Speaker 1: I can get pressure just like this. And that's why
Speaker 1: when teams seeing you in the cover three, that's automatic. Man.
Speaker 1: We have matchups on the outside, which last year we
Speaker 1: were exposed in that way when we tried any three
Speaker 1: because we were exposed on the outside, we just didn't
Speaker 1: have the coverage ability and even when we went to
Speaker 1: we just didn't have the personnel from a front line
Speaker 1: setting to get that pressure. So that's a fantastic point
Speaker 1: because going into the initial parts of the hiring of
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn as a defensive coordinator, we thought it was
Speaker 1: going to be covered three because it gives you extra
Speaker 1: help up front, extra time, extra coverage on the back
Speaker 1: end because you didn't think you were going to get pressure.
Speaker 1: The fact that we've gone to these practices and we've
Speaker 1: seen so much Covered two, I think it alludes to
Speaker 1: just how comfortable Dan Quinn is. Heck, you said it
Speaker 1: a moment ago, but I just wanted to re emphasize
Speaker 1: that because he is comfortable with the front seven that
Speaker 1: he has. Have you seen the same thing, Rob, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, and they're gonna mix up their coverages.
Speaker 1: Like when Rod Marinelli was here Tampa two was his
Speaker 1: deal play? How much single high did we see? But
Speaker 1: I mean that was primarily what they did. Absolutely, they're
Speaker 1: going to change up coverages, like Isaiah said, based on matchups.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it does come down to how effective are
Speaker 1: you upfront? How much push can you get. I just
Speaker 1: want to go back real quick to Jubil Cox. He
Speaker 1: I don't know how much he's gonna get to play,
Speaker 1: but he's more physical than I think. Maybe he got
Speaker 1: credit for coming out of college. I think the biggest
Speaker 1: thing he talked about the other day, he's he's known
Speaker 1: as a cover guy, but he is stepped up and
Speaker 1: hit and made tackles in these preseason games. We don't
Speaker 1: see it in practice. I'm still I'm just very interested
Speaker 1: to see how they're gonna figure out these linebacker reps. Man,
Speaker 1: because I you know, I think, yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be I think it's gonna be a carousel. Man.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna see guys just rolling through. And
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see it. Because now if we're able
Speaker 1: to play two high safety, our cornerbacks don't have to
Speaker 1: necessarily play as cornerbacks. We can drop our corners back
Speaker 1: into back into a zone coverage. We can run Jabil
Speaker 1: Cox out to the flat right. We can run him
Speaker 1: all the way from a linebacker box. Soon as we
Speaker 1: see that it's a that's a past. He can literally
Speaker 1: take off from the box and get all the way
Speaker 1: out to where a cover two corner would be playing.
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons. Guess what he has that range right to
Speaker 1: be able to run out right and if you want
Speaker 1: to leave you want if you want to leave Jaylen
Speaker 1: in the middle, leave Jaylen in the middle. I have
Speaker 1: him spied a quarterback. So now you can put Jaylen
Speaker 1: in the middle spying a quarterback, and he's that more
Speaker 1: of a box guy. You can run Jabril and Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons out to the flats and you can still have
Speaker 1: all four of your of your secondary guys being able
Speaker 1: to come up and feel gaps to make plays and
Speaker 1: break on balls. It is going to be fun. And
Speaker 1: dan Quinn, I know he's sitting back there with his
Speaker 1: little his little his little little bag, and he's just
Speaker 1: reaching to his little his little back because at toys,
Speaker 1: you know, you know back in the days to take
Speaker 1: all your your your toys out and kind of set
Speaker 1: him out. Just kind of sit back and look at him.
Speaker 1: I know he's doing that right now. Leading up to
Speaker 1: the first game, you had a little bag with your toys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fanny pack acts, Oh yeah, yeah, I'm picturing. Not surprised me.
Speaker 1: But why do you always swing your fanny pack to
Speaker 1: the hip? You guys ever do that? I don't hone
Speaker 1: fanny I had one, but it's been a long time.
Speaker 1: A picture in the Rock, you remember the rock picture. Yes,
Speaker 1: he had a leather one. That was a good stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, Isaiah's just way too big for a fanny pack. Anyway.
Speaker 1: My grandpa had a fanny pack. That thing. He had
Speaker 1: some much changing it. He was hanging down to his knee.
Speaker 1: But but I mean, I just say, I hope Tampa's
Speaker 1: not listening to this podcast because Isaiah just gave his
Speaker 1: whole scheme away right there. But it's true. I mean
Speaker 1: you see a lot of that with the way uh
Speaker 1: that Michael Parsons is pressure in the A gap and
Speaker 1: then he's belling out and there's nothing new under the sun.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're just giving multiple looks. But they're
Speaker 1: able to do that with the athletic ability of their guys.
Speaker 1: And when you don't have that, you can't play like that.
Speaker 1: And to to your point to backdoor what you just said,
Speaker 1: when you start having guys that are athletic, like the
Speaker 1: guys that we have, these are freak just athletes. Now
Speaker 1: these are not just okay, they're good and they're in
Speaker 1: the NFL. These guys are elite athletes in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Think about guys like Troy Paulamalu, the things that he
Speaker 1: was able to do, Ed Reid he was able. They're
Speaker 1: able to be at the line of scrimmage at the
Speaker 1: snap right and then all of a sudden take off
Speaker 1: and they're twenty five yards deeper than they were two
Speaker 1: seconds ago. Right, So you have the ability to do
Speaker 1: that not only with your secondary but now with your linebackers. Right,
Speaker 1: And you started talking about the athleticism of it, like Bohanna,
Speaker 1: you could drop you could drop him out. You could
Speaker 1: drop him out now, right, man, maybe he shocks the
Speaker 1: center of sharks, shocks the guard and now he's dropping
Speaker 1: out and he's the middle linebacker. Now he's looking up guys,
Speaker 1: so they yeah, yeah, absolutely right. So when you have
Speaker 1: that kind of athleticism, right, maybe Bradley and I maybe
Speaker 1: that's the way he finds his way onto the field, right,
Speaker 1: Maybe he's he's dropping out into coverage. So there's a
Speaker 1: lot of things you could do if you can get
Speaker 1: some kind of pressure with your front four and guess what,
Speaker 1: maybe you get a push with your front three. Now
Speaker 1: you're really nasty, right right. So, I mean it's gonna
Speaker 1: be amazing once we get our entire team out there,
Speaker 1: we're playing in real games, a bit of a master
Speaker 1: class and how defense could be played for the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys going into the twenty twenty one season. I love it.
Speaker 1: It makes me so excited just to see it. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: like we've said plenty of times, the realistic expectation is
Speaker 1: not to go from thirty first in the league, thirtieth
Speaker 1: in the league to number top five. I mean, we
Speaker 1: we're not. That's not the expectation. The expectation is to
Speaker 1: see vast improvement. If you go any higher than that,
Speaker 1: it's just a cherry on top. It's a little bit
Speaker 1: of whip cream. And he liked. But hypothetically, hypothetically, if
Speaker 1: you did go from thirty first to fifth's the chance
Speaker 1: of I mean it, dan Quinn makes all the difference
Speaker 1: in that. And I'm just saying, I maybe you have
Speaker 1: only be here for one year. Yeah, listen, well, hypothetically
Speaker 1: then that's what I started the preface my statement with that.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying the way that they change with
Speaker 1: those wholesale changes, your draft picks that you have, and
Speaker 1: the ability to take defense from the basement that was
Speaker 1: lifeless at certain points in the season to get them
Speaker 1: to that point. I just see that they have the
Speaker 1: personnel to do it. The success of this defense is
Speaker 1: going to be dependent on their ability to take the
Speaker 1: ball away, and you see that being emphasized in the preseason.
Speaker 1: That's they're not They're not asking this defense to necessarily
Speaker 1: get three and ounce. You could drive all day long, drive, drive, drive,
Speaker 1: get all the way down to the red zone for
Speaker 1: all life. We can care if we take the ball
Speaker 1: away with our offense. We're now in a position to score, right,
Speaker 1: And that's all you're asking. You just need this team healthy.
Speaker 1: You need this team to be ahead of in the game.
Speaker 1: And if we're ahead in the game and our defense
Speaker 1: can get one or two takeaways a game, those are ws.
Speaker 1: Those are ws. I agree with that. That's got to
Speaker 1: be number one. The other things stopping the run. They
Speaker 1: have to get better. We can't win a game that
Speaker 1: quick change situation aginst Houston very first. That was they
Speaker 1: they didn't react to that well really it really was.
Speaker 1: But beyond but overall, they've been better against the run
Speaker 1: of these preseason games. So we'll see. But there they
Speaker 1: have taken steps upgrade every level. Ye, so we'll see.
Speaker 1: I mean they are young in some spots and they're
Speaker 1: not deep in some spots. But I just think with
Speaker 1: dan Quinn and he's not off the COVID protocols yet. Um,
Speaker 1: but if they just don't bust as many assignments as
Speaker 1: they had, that was part of their problem too, is
Speaker 1: that the lack of understanding of communication or faith in
Speaker 1: the scheme last year led us some really bad busts.
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, yet an offense that
Speaker 1: was so banged up that they couldn't compete and and
Speaker 1: and match score for score with some of these teams
Speaker 1: they are playing. It was just the perfect storm for good.
Speaker 1: And that's why that's why culture is so important. Culture
Speaker 1: is so important because when you have a team like
Speaker 1: we had last year. Now, obviously it was a you know,
Speaker 1: like I told you, guys, F five tornado everything where
Speaker 1: everything that could happen happened to us in a negative sense.
Speaker 1: But when you have a team that's having fun and
Speaker 1: you have guys that are making plays, then guess what
Speaker 1: heck we're having now we're having fun on the field.
Speaker 1: Now it's a party on the field. And guess what's
Speaker 1: that translates into. It translates to a party in the
Speaker 1: locker room. Right when it translates to a party in
Speaker 1: locker room, guess what Now, we're going back to the
Speaker 1: house and we're playing Madden together. Now we're on the
Speaker 1: headsets and we're playing Madden and Cod and everything else,
Speaker 1: and we're going out and we're going bowling together or
Speaker 1: watching movies. And guess what now we're watching film together.
Speaker 1: But guess what when things are bad and it's not
Speaker 1: fun at practice, when I leave here, I'm out right,
Speaker 1: I check cats is checking out and A right, I'll
Speaker 1: see I'll see it tomorrow. And it doesn't sound good people,
Speaker 1: but that's the way, that's the reality. I've been on
Speaker 1: teams that are kind of like that. I've been on
Speaker 1: a lot. I've been blessed to be on some really
Speaker 1: good teams that the continuity and the culture was so amazing.
Speaker 1: It's so tight knit, tight knit that it carried out
Speaker 1: not only in the game, but you can see it.
Speaker 1: You can see guys having fun and balling out and
Speaker 1: getting after it, and then you go to the the locker
Speaker 1: room and guys are laughing and the music is playing
Speaker 1: there dancing around and you see some of that stuff
Speaker 1: come across social media. Now, those are the teams that
Speaker 1: are tight knit, and those are the teams that have
Speaker 1: fun together, and those are the teams that are gonna
Speaker 1: come municate the best. And on top of that, last
Speaker 1: year you couldn't even do some of that stuff because
Speaker 1: so it was just a double yeah, it was double yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was awful. There are three teams that came to
Speaker 1: mind when you talked about that. One of them's the
Speaker 1: reigning Super Bowl champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the other one
Speaker 1: wanted Super Bowl two years ago and was in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. And that's the Kansas City Chiefs, and the
Speaker 1: other one was the Buffalo Bills. Those three teams have
Speaker 1: some fun, or at least it looks like they have fun.
Speaker 1: And guess what all three were in a conference championship
Speaker 1: game last year? It was three of the four teams.
Speaker 1: The other one was Green Bay. I wouldn't necessarily say
Speaker 1: they're having a ton of fun right now, but they'll
Speaker 1: figure it out. They're ultra talented. But when we come
Speaker 1: back here on Talking Cowboys were talking a little bit
Speaker 1: more defense, a little bit more linebackers, and well, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys played more of a three four defense until Neville
Speaker 1: Gallimore returns. Maybe go with one of those defensive tackles
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Speaker 1: I'm all out of sorts now. Goodness, gracious, I tease
Speaker 1: defense going in, but I've completely forgot something off the
Speaker 1: top of the show that we definitely need to hit.
Speaker 1: A man got a bag today, got some money, got
Speaker 1: some paid today. Because a restructured deal for Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 1: has now freed up a significant amount of cap space
Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys, Rob, Can you go through the
Speaker 1: deal and the restructure of zeke contract. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: similar to what they've done the last year, restructuring some
Speaker 1: of their top offensive lineman guys de Marcus Lawrence. Last year,
Speaker 1: same deal you can you convert a large portion of
Speaker 1: the base salary to signing bonus, so you're creating in essence.
Speaker 1: I think it's close to seven million bucks this year,
Speaker 1: but they can carry it over and that's what they
Speaker 1: did last year. I think they restructured to Marcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: last September and it was ten million bucks or so,
Speaker 1: and everybody thought Earl, Earl's coming, It's it's Earl time,
Speaker 1: and they did. They didn't do that. They used it
Speaker 1: and carried it over to twenty twenty one and used
Speaker 1: it to resign Dak Prescot or help resign Dak Prescos.
Speaker 1: So that's what the ten million was for. Yes, So Isaiah,
Speaker 1: I say it's literally yeah, I don't want to burst
Speaker 1: your bubble, but they maybe just be doing that plus
Speaker 1: creating kind of that emergency fund during the season for
Speaker 1: injuries and stuff like that. Maybe maybe you or Isaiah well,
Speaker 1: I think we had a conversation when I said, you
Speaker 1: can kind of determine that were either the severity or
Speaker 1: the concern writing on the wall was what you use.
Speaker 1: You got what I said, Yeah, the writing on the
Speaker 1: wall in terms of the confidence in Dak's health, yes,
Speaker 1: or the preparedness of making ensuring that you don't know
Speaker 1: what happened last year, it doesn't happen again now the
Speaker 1: last year it was different, but ensuring that you have
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback that you feel confident about going into
Speaker 1: to this season. And I say, I've kind of projected
Speaker 1: that something major was going to happen over the last
Speaker 1: week leading up to the season. Well, there it is. There,
Speaker 1: it is right. Seven million dollars is now available for
Speaker 1: us to acquire some security at that position or other positions.
Speaker 1: But as we look through this roster, I think we
Speaker 1: feel good about most other positions. You know, we have
Speaker 1: always backup center, swing tackle, but quarterback, so we're not
Speaker 1: We don't. We don't say names, but let's just say that.
Speaker 1: Keep your eyes peeled over this next week. I would say,
Speaker 1: to figure out exactly why are we freeing up cap space?
Speaker 1: Something big, something big, just putting bait on your hook
Speaker 1: to Lorian something big. Maybe as Rob as rob P said,
Speaker 1: maybe not last I mean, by heck, no, last year
Speaker 1: we did the same thing, right and we didn't didn't
Speaker 1: We didn't do anything with it. But then last year
Speaker 1: didn't go the way we wanted either. So how about
Speaker 1: we not repeat history and we make sure that we
Speaker 1: do what that we get what we need to get. Yeah,
Speaker 1: rob it. So you do you think if you're leaning
Speaker 1: one way or the other, they're going to make a
Speaker 1: move a big move. I don't think this is just
Speaker 1: for that. What would you classify as a big move.
Speaker 1: You're talking like all six point eight. I'm talking like,
Speaker 1: you know, thinking that that was like an ET fund
Speaker 1: last year and it wasn't an ET fund. Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's that. I don't know if there's anybody
Speaker 1: out there that reaches that sort of No. No, it
Speaker 1: definitely gives them more flexibility this year if something And look,
Speaker 1: I mean, what does Stephen Jones always say three sixty five?
Speaker 1: So they need they needed space under the cap. Now
Speaker 1: they have it, but they also can can use it
Speaker 1: for next year because remember, I mean, the CAP's gonna
Speaker 1: go up next year, hopefully with more people and revenue
Speaker 1: coming in, you know, as we're still in this pandemic,
Speaker 1: but it's not going to be what it could be
Speaker 1: until that TV money rule. Look, I understand where playing
Speaker 1: is safe and that's cool, all right, but here's the deal.
Speaker 1: We have a backup quarterback situation that needs to get
Speaker 1: resolved here pretty soon. And I don't think any of
Speaker 1: you guys we've talked about this at list and I'm
Speaker 1: not going to go into it any more, but we
Speaker 1: have to do something about that. And I feel like
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy has already taken this to the people that
Speaker 1: need to hear it and say, look, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't want history to repeat itself in the form of
Speaker 1: something happening to dak And if the person that comes,
Speaker 1: you know, out of the bullpen, I need that to
Speaker 1: be a bona fide guy. And I just don't feel
Speaker 1: like I have a bona fide guy, no question marks,
Speaker 1: not at all. What if Cooper Rush is done, doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if he stopping stop stop, stop stop. If he
Speaker 1: goes full debot jackson wait a minute, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: hear yourself say that he say it? Come on, woman time.
Speaker 1: What if Cooper Rush goes full debot climbing through that
Speaker 1: window against Jacksonville, he can he can freaking blow that
Speaker 1: wall out, and Cooper Rush will have a valiant effort.
Speaker 1: It's still not enough to ensure the security of that
Speaker 1: position that is too valuable of a position to go
Speaker 1: into the season with a question mark, what if triple quadruple.
Speaker 1: No disrespect to those guys, they're just not of the
Speaker 1: caliber of player that you need in position. Should something
Speaker 1: happen today, okay, I think that they're in the process.
Speaker 1: They're in development, right, just like many vehicles, right, you
Speaker 1: go through the sketches and then you go through a
Speaker 1: little mold. I think they're in the molding phase, right.
Speaker 1: They haven't necessarily made it to the press ship. The
Speaker 1: body hasn't been sculpted, it hasn't been pressed out. They
Speaker 1: haven't started putting parts in it yet. They're not ready,
Speaker 1: and they need somebody who is a bona fide leader,
Speaker 1: somebody who was respected when they walk in his locker room.
Speaker 1: The players say, he doesn't know the playbook yet, but
Speaker 1: that boy can ball, right, and should that go down,
Speaker 1: there's no question marks on his ability. There might be
Speaker 1: question marks on how much of the offense we can run,
Speaker 1: but there's no question marks can that boy play. That's
Speaker 1: what they have to bring in here over the next week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy has gotten an opportunity to evaluate these guys
Speaker 1: at LYND and he didn't get a chance to do
Speaker 1: that last season. It's kind of like a parent. Man,
Speaker 1: Like most parents out there, they got an opportunity to
Speaker 1: teach your kids in the house for a full year
Speaker 1: during the pandemic. You thought it was the teachers, and
Speaker 1: then you start teaching your own kid and you're like, no,
Speaker 1: it's you. You know you know that. I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: as a parent, you want to think that your kids
Speaker 1: are all angels. And then you sit there with him
Speaker 1: for a year by yourself, and you're like, hey, got
Speaker 1: to keep my eye on you. So Mike is in
Speaker 1: the same He's of the same mind state. Man, I
Speaker 1: am not gonna let this out of the hen house
Speaker 1: and have this come back to bite me. And you
Speaker 1: know what, I have to get a guy to come
Speaker 1: out firing if I'm ever put in that position and
Speaker 1: if he doesn't make any changes in it, and it's
Speaker 1: absolutely for let's just say to the swing tackle position
Speaker 1: or another d tackle something like that along those lines.
Speaker 1: That's still shoring up your team, that's still making you better,
Speaker 1: but there's still going to be that lasting question mark
Speaker 1: until we get that resolved. You can't can't do that, No,
Speaker 1: you just can't. I think they used four million, four
Speaker 1: million dollars on a quarterback somehow. So you paid Dandy
Speaker 1: Dalton three last year, so it's positive to pay, you
Speaker 1: pay because there's gonna be some big moves happening here
Speaker 1: next week. You pay forty five million dollars on a
Speaker 1: one to five I respect, it would starter, who's your backup?
Speaker 1: If you wanted to stretch to the cap, that would
Speaker 1: leave you what three point five out out after that
Speaker 1: or something like that, probably something. I mean, that's enough
Speaker 1: to maybe go get a backup, a swing, swing tackle
Speaker 1: if you if there was one available that you liked,
Speaker 1: somebody pops up, because it would have to be a
Speaker 1: pop up on What did that do to Zeke's deal?
Speaker 1: What did he do for him? Did it add a
Speaker 1: year or to his contract? Did it just money up front?
Speaker 1: It doesn't add anything in terms of years. It just
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna make his his um base jump
Speaker 1: later in the years of his of his deal. But
Speaker 1: it doesn't add any deals to it. And his money
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty two was guaranteed anyway, So I'm sure
Speaker 1: they looked at it like what difference does it make?
Speaker 1: And and again I don't think it's next year, but
Speaker 1: in a couple of years that TV money is rolling
Speaker 1: in and the CAP's gonna get really, really big. So
Speaker 1: I don't think they're too worried about all fitting all
Speaker 1: that in and it's converted into a signing bonus, right right,
Speaker 1: He doesn't care because it gets them all up front. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, players don't mind the US at all because
Speaker 1: they sure he probably point six probably today. I don't
Speaker 1: know if his direct deposit or hand it. I've never
Speaker 1: been in that situation. In that situation, wouldn't that be
Speaker 1: had to be very nice? Actually? Yeah? But yeah, but
Speaker 1: eighty six six is in his pockets today. Now you know,
Speaker 1: after taxes, you'll probably round probably sent around five. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to think about just how I
Speaker 1: want to think about it. I mean, I would love
Speaker 1: to think I would love to have that problem, wouldn't
Speaker 1: you have? You see this blank stare, blank stair, imagine
Speaker 1: a blank check, so kind of I kind of want
Speaker 1: to go back. Oh, actually, you know what, We've got
Speaker 1: a couple more minutes before we need to take our
Speaker 1: second break. I want to talk about Mali cooker activated
Speaker 1: off of COVID nineteen protocols. He is free to practice today, correct, Rob, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe he's out there. So he's good. So that
Speaker 1: means they've got Israel. Mcquamne came off the list on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: So the guys that are left, as far as I remember,
Speaker 1: Connor Williams, Demante Casey, Ceedee Lamb, Carlos Watkins, I think
Speaker 1: that's it. And then dan Quinn as the coach. Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn said he's feeling better. He would not disclose where
Speaker 1: he is in the protocol, but he said I'll be
Speaker 1: back if I can get cleared in time to coach Sunday.
Speaker 1: We'll see. So mcquomo is he able to play Sunday? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he is. He's done. He's off. Yeah, he's off the Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a guy that definitely has to a great game
Speaker 1: on Sunday. I mean, it's a that's a really good
Speaker 1: bubble guy to watch. I don't I don't. I've said
Speaker 1: earlier like I think he makes the team, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. Man, it's you got to figure out these
Speaker 1: other positions too. He's he is the guy that you
Speaker 1: that you just wish would just go out there and
Speaker 1: ball as as a coach, because you are you're able
Speaker 1: to recognize this. First of all, he's A. He's a
Speaker 1: physical specimen right his he's he's versatile is all get out.
Speaker 1: Not only he's value me working in value proposition right
Speaker 1: your VP. He can play a lot of different positions.
Speaker 1: I could put him at the safety position. I could
Speaker 1: put him at the cornerback position. I could him as
Speaker 1: my nickel, A six four nickel. Are you kidding me? Right? So,
Speaker 1: the versatility of this guy. But as I talked to,
Speaker 1: like I told you guys, I talked to Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: in Arizona. He said, I need him to flick the
Speaker 1: switch on and go hit somebody. He hasn't made that
Speaker 1: switch in his mind from cornerback to safety. It hasn't
Speaker 1: happened yet. He needs it to happen this weekend. And
Speaker 1: that's unfortunate because in this defense, he's gonna have to
Speaker 1: be a thumper. He's got to come up's and guys
Speaker 1: like Hooker and Casey they have that DNA and we've
Speaker 1: seen them in preseason games. Closed quickly. I mean, Mali
Speaker 1: Cooker is this. I think so many people have forgotten
Speaker 1: about how awesome he was coming out of Ohio State
Speaker 1: and just how great he was and so and I think,
Speaker 1: like if you didn't watch you know, Big ten football
Speaker 1: or know about him in Indy. Man, this guy is
Speaker 1: you know, when he's healthy, he is a guy that
Speaker 1: can impact the game. But that's what's fascinating is they
Speaker 1: got to figure out where he is in his career
Speaker 1: and what you know, can he be the guy the
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen that was getting interceptions and making plays And
Speaker 1: if he's not going to be a starter, can he
Speaker 1: play special teams which he's never done. He's never done that.
Speaker 1: There's just different moving parts there and he just needs
Speaker 1: to get time on the field and show what he
Speaker 1: can do. The problem is we have one game left
Speaker 1: to do it. I mean, I think he makes the team,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure, like what the defined role is
Speaker 1: going to be week one. That's exactly the way I
Speaker 1: think about it. You're going to see Kaz and Hooker
Speaker 1: as your free safeties in my opinion, and there's going
Speaker 1: to be a rotation. It's just what is that rotation? Right?
Speaker 1: Is it sixty forty? Is it's seventy thirty one way
Speaker 1: or the other. I don't know. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think this coaching staff knows. I think this is going
Speaker 1: to be the best special teams unit the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: seen in a very long time. Think so, really, I
Speaker 1: think so? So I'm not somewhere John Fossils smiling. I think,
Speaker 1: I honestly think that because the amount of talent that
Speaker 1: we have in the secondary. We have a lot of
Speaker 1: talent in the secondary. Now are they dominant, No, we
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of dominant players, but we have
Speaker 1: a lot of very competitive guys. What do you need
Speaker 1: our special teams? I need competitive guys. And if you
Speaker 1: don't have a clear defined, like solid too deep that
Speaker 1: you don't know is you know exactly who who's gonna
Speaker 1: be in a position and guess what everybody has to
Speaker 1: contribute somehow. That means that everybody's gonna be contributing on
Speaker 1: special teams. So that means that you're taking starters slash
Speaker 1: second tier guys that are going to be competing not
Speaker 1: only in the games under defensive respective defensive positions, but
Speaker 1: also on special teams. Your talent level just what up?
Speaker 1: Typically you need your core five, and you still need
Speaker 1: your core five, But now maybe you don't need a
Speaker 1: core five. Maybe you need a core four and you've
Speaker 1: got guys that are very talented that are still going
Speaker 1: to rotate on that side of the ball. But now
Speaker 1: they are gonna come in. They're gonna compete for you,
Speaker 1: especially Coach Fossil. When you have a coach that that
Speaker 1: just just as hype and guys love them and you
Speaker 1: see it on hard knocks. The guys want to be
Speaker 1: around them, and they respond them to them, they respect
Speaker 1: for them, they respect them. That is going to be
Speaker 1: a very high energy, competitive unit and I think is
Speaker 1: going to be the best that we've seen in a
Speaker 1: long time. And they're gonna have a big impact because
Speaker 1: usually we just talk about the two thirds. Now we're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about all three phases of the game.
Speaker 1: That's a really good point because darry and Thompson has
Speaker 1: been that way on special teams previously. You won Israel
Speaker 1: Mukuama to step up in that regard. Donovan Wilson, even
Speaker 1: early in his career, did a lot of that and
Speaker 1: now he is presumed the starter. Talking about Donovan dealing
Speaker 1: with a groin issue. Yeah, my question is who's who's
Speaker 1: getting those reps at strong safety? Who is behind Donovan
Speaker 1: Wilson Because mcquamo's a center field guy, probably not going
Speaker 1: to be your strong safety. Could be urs is probably
Speaker 1: that guy. Right, So if Donovan Wilson is out, does
Speaker 1: that mean Jaren Curse is making this team? No doubt,
Speaker 1: because then that's a fifth name that's thrown into the mix.
Speaker 1: Now he can't Unfortunately, there's too many, too many guys,
Speaker 1: I mean, the number is alone saying no. And it
Speaker 1: sucks because he could play. What if he's the only
Speaker 1: other box safety on the roster. Somebody got to move.
Speaker 1: And you just made a point about special teams. That's
Speaker 1: where I was going. Oh, yeah, he is a special
Speaker 1: teams demon. That's what he does. And though, and so
Speaker 1: most special teams is comprised of dbs and linebackers. And
Speaker 1: so that's a good problem that we have on this team.
Speaker 1: And you cannot sacrifice a guy that that's his m
Speaker 1: for a young and upcoming guy that hadn't shown Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I love it when you finish my sentences, by the way,
Speaker 1: But it's just it's just guys like that that I
Speaker 1: feel like, Look, naturally, you can't just look over your run.
Speaker 1: Curse and mcquomo may make this team, but he may
Speaker 1: never play this year. I mean, and that may be
Speaker 1: the the coing thing for him because he has to
Speaker 1: develop into what you need him to be in order
Speaker 1: to make be on Reggie Robinson King, Well, I mean
Speaker 1: like on the rosters, want to get to play and
Speaker 1: come back. How no, no, no, no, no no no no,
Speaker 1: this isotot bring up child. Sorry. I think as a as,
Speaker 1: I would hate to be a coach right now because
Speaker 1: Israel mcuomo is like the guy you're just like, it's
Speaker 1: not like I need you to develop here, here, and here.
Speaker 1: I don't need you to get better at all these spots.
Speaker 1: It's just one thing. I just need you to deflict
Speaker 1: the switch. Be willing to throw your head in there,
Speaker 1: be willing to throw your body in there. And as
Speaker 1: soon as that clicks for him, hopefully it does. He's
Speaker 1: a beast. And to be in a position where you
Speaker 1: if you cut that guy and you know that's all
Speaker 1: you're waiting on. He goes to another team, he flicks
Speaker 1: that switch. Crap, I just cut a six four, two
Speaker 1: hundred and five two ten pound safety slash corner slash nickel.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna get cut. He would be, he would
Speaker 1: be picked up. I mean waivers. But I'm talking about
Speaker 1: off this. Yeah, yeah, I'm saying that that's that's somebody
Speaker 1: that you don't want to let go of, That's all
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And lessilly, you could protect him for the
Speaker 1: first two weeks of the year. So even if you
Speaker 1: did put him on the practice squad, you could pull
Speaker 1: him up for that kind of halfway hybrid thing. You
Speaker 1: could protect him for two weeks and then I mean,
Speaker 1: week three, he's either a part of the roster or
Speaker 1: he's not. I mean, and and then he's it's every
Speaker 1: week he'll be on waivers from that point forward. So
Speaker 1: it does make things a little bit sketchy. Who knows.
Speaker 1: Maybe he is on waivers and nobody picks him off.
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody kicked him until the fifth round that
Speaker 1: they're drafted. Any that does happen, like it happens all
Speaker 1: the time, six four. But it was a sixth round pick.
Speaker 1: You're saying, remember Alex Tanney, I don't quarterback. It was
Speaker 1: balling out. Oh yeah, likes you know, he passed with waivers,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like we always think, like with
Speaker 1: whatever at this position, at this position, I just I
Speaker 1: don't see him. I agree with you. He's got some
Speaker 1: unique skills, very much so so. Nick named the last
Speaker 1: safety corner, nickelback, you that you got that you found
Speaker 1: out was this big name, the last sixth round pick
Speaker 1: that was a lock to make a team no matter
Speaker 1: what he showed in the preseason, because he hasn't shown
Speaker 1: a whole lot. But it's a lot of six round
Speaker 1: picks with gold jackets. So I don't saying Tom Brady
Speaker 1: and I'm saying whoa, I'm saying, I'm saying rookie miss
Speaker 1: seven ring himself. I'm sorry, rookie year. And in terms
Speaker 1: of not showing what you need him to be in
Speaker 1: a position switch, I mean, there are a lot of difference,
Speaker 1: just not that far off is what He's not. What
Speaker 1: we're saying free, I'm not he's a bad player, and
Speaker 1: cut the guy and let's never think of him again.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, even though he's valued in this organization, it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean thirty one other teams are valuing him as well.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean that by anyone those attributes. I would disagree
Speaker 1: on that one, just on this particular case. You don't
Speaker 1: find guys that versatile. You just don't. It's not common.
Speaker 1: I don't care where he was drafted. I don't care
Speaker 1: if he's sitting on the couch. You just don't see
Speaker 1: guys that can move their feet like we've seen him
Speaker 1: move his feet and be able to not only again,
Speaker 1: if he figures out how to hit somebody. If that's
Speaker 1: just a decision, that's not a skill set, that's just
Speaker 1: do you want to do it. If he figures that out,
Speaker 1: he can play safety, he could play corner, and he
Speaker 1: can come in on your I don't care if you
Speaker 1: move your biggest receiver to the slot. I'm moving him
Speaker 1: to the slot. And guess what, I got a Honda
Speaker 1: hands for you. Chris just gave me a stat nine
Speaker 1: six round picks that are Hall of famers. So there's
Speaker 1: guys that do it. I agree with you in terms
Speaker 1: of versatility, except one of the versatile tools he doesn't
Speaker 1: have is one of the most important when it comes
Speaker 1: to playing. But it absolutely correct. But again it's that's
Speaker 1: not a capability, that's a decision. But when I when
Speaker 1: I came into the league, I was a quarterback that
Speaker 1: they moved to receiver. I didn't return kicks before. Guess
Speaker 1: what I figured out how freaking returns from kicks. I
Speaker 1: had never ran down and hit anybody. Guess what you're
Speaker 1: gonna run into this way. What about blocking, you're gonna
Speaker 1: I've never blocked anybody. Guess what you want to play?
Speaker 1: You want to check, you figure it out. So when
Speaker 1: they when they had back in the day, when they
Speaker 1: had those four man wedges and everybody does those three
Speaker 1: hunder powders can link their hands up, they will put
Speaker 1: me on the inside and run me down to said Isaiah,
Speaker 1: I need you to split those guys. You run down there,
Speaker 1: you close your eyes and you jump as fast and
Speaker 1: hard as you can and hope that you wake up.
Speaker 1: You know, like, that's what you do. That's what you
Speaker 1: do in this league. And guess what, you will earn
Speaker 1: the respect. And after you do that, it gets a
Speaker 1: little bit easier every time. You just have to make
Speaker 1: the decision that one time, I'm gonna do this no
Speaker 1: matter what. And guess what, I'm okay. The same thing
Speaker 1: we're saying about deck, right, that's gonna get rolled up
Speaker 1: on at some point in time. Right, Yeah, I woke up,
Speaker 1: but that's gonna get rolled up at some point. Right,
Speaker 1: And what's he gonna do. I'm okay, Yeah, let's go ball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. So that's all you're waiting on.
Speaker 1: You're waiting. The coaches are literally waiting for that one
Speaker 1: moment and when it happens, oh man, we got a dog.
Speaker 1: That's the light switched. Dan Quinn's talking absolutely and it
Speaker 1: just hasn't been flipped on yet. Once it is, he
Speaker 1: can really turn into somebody help. He could really help
Speaker 1: the team. I mean, you're starting strong safety right now.
Speaker 1: Was a sixth round pick as well, and Donovan Wilson.
Speaker 1: So it can't happen. It just has yet, is my point.
Speaker 1: And I say until that point, I don't know. If
Speaker 1: he with a deep safety group, he might be the
Speaker 1: odd man out. And I wouldn't rule out it comes
Speaker 1: to Dono for the Hall of Fame either. That's my guy.
Speaker 1: Gig of Maggs. Right, Maggie, there you go. All right,
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Speaker 1: See more, do more. We didn't have this at training camp, Kyle.
Speaker 1: We just miss and have Yeah every time every time
Speaker 1: we did those reads we were like, man, I can't
Speaker 1: wait to have them. I'll tell you what training camp. No,
Speaker 1: I'm getting somebody's bag. I'm not staying here. Oh it's
Speaker 1: not happening this year. I'm going if I if I'm
Speaker 1: sitting in the stands with the fans and I'm doing
Speaker 1: WebEx podcasts from this, I'm going. You save. I'm not
Speaker 1: leaving me save a lot of headaches at home, but
Speaker 1: staying home and not being gone. He don't talk. I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you from personal experience. Well, you're still on
Speaker 1: the couch, not you know, are back. I made it.
Speaker 1: I made you back. I'm still on the couch apartment.
Speaker 1: I'm still on the couch food. I'm just gonna sleep
Speaker 1: here today. By the way, we had an update on
Speaker 1: a stat that Chris uh was so kind to look
Speaker 1: up for us in the last segment. Only one sixth
Speaker 1: round pick has ever been named to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: He'll be two in about seven years. Yeah, yeah, Jack
Speaker 1: Christiansen was the only one. Sixty. I'm in seventh round.
Speaker 1: I'm in seventh round. Well, the thing is is, it's
Speaker 1: the it was the sixth round at the time, but
Speaker 1: he was drafted in nineteen fifty one by the Detroit Lions,
Speaker 1: and it was still the sixty nine Chris, you guys,
Speaker 1: which would be a second back check everything? By right, Chris,
Speaker 1: that's only one job. I mean, that's my job, all right, Chris,
Speaker 1: thank you kind of way way to back up the
Speaker 1: homie And guess guess who did Chris's job before Chris
Speaker 1: did his job? Who is that? I'm just saying, like, well, well,
Speaker 1: not nearly nearly as good at this. Can you sprinkle salt? Now? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Chris's next, Chris. Chris is way better at his job
Speaker 1: than I ever put in bush Um what the visuals
Speaker 1: too much? That's why you have to watch this show
Speaker 1: on video. Audio does not do adjustice. Thank you for
Speaker 1: all of those audio listeners out there. Go watch us
Speaker 1: on phone just to see what happened, because that was great.
Speaker 1: Leave it up there. It's like sitting in it. Yea. Alright, Okay,
Speaker 1: we have some fan questions we need to get to.
Speaker 1: I'm already. I'm done. Same with your chest Friday, all right.
Speaker 1: Mike Gray asked, do you think the Cowboys may play
Speaker 1: more of a three or four defense until Neville Gallimore returns,
Speaker 1: kind of taking away the need for a one and
Speaker 1: two technique and kind of playing with one of the
Speaker 1: other Isaiah, you're shaking your head. No, No, I don't
Speaker 1: think you change your entire scheme for one guy. We're
Speaker 1: pretty really to be deep at this position, and you
Speaker 1: have some young guys that need to go out there
Speaker 1: and compete. It's some unfortunate that Gallimore's down, but if
Speaker 1: there was every opportunity for, you know, for the same
Speaker 1: next man up to really come into play, this is it.
Speaker 1: You got some guys that you need to gain confidence in.
Speaker 1: You got some guys that need to gain confidence in themselves,
Speaker 1: and you throw them in a fire. You throw those
Speaker 1: guys in a fire, and you expect them to have
Speaker 1: an impact, and you're not just going to shy away
Speaker 1: from it because of one person. These dudes got to
Speaker 1: step up and play, and I think they're coaches are
Speaker 1: gonna put them in a position to do so. Can't
Speaker 1: make the switch because a one guy, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a pretty simple thing. Not at that position. No, And
Speaker 1: even if that's your base most of the time, you
Speaker 1: know you're playing so much Nickel that that's not something
Speaker 1: you're Yeah, and here's the other thing. They didn't haven't
Speaker 1: changed up their defense because they've missed Tank Lawrence, so
Speaker 1: they wouldn't change up anything because of Nevill Gallimore. And
Speaker 1: you know it. To be honest with you, As far
Speaker 1: as the depth that you have, I think you have
Speaker 1: more depth quality as far as talent is concerned to steal.
Speaker 1: Stay with your scheme. Report from practice. Dave Hellman says,
Speaker 1: Greg's eirline eight of nine on goal attempts today, second
Speaker 1: leg is nice. That's good, that's encouraging. I wonder how,
Speaker 1: I wonder where he missed from. I didn't say probably
Speaker 1: that's probably the only place he missed. I know if
Speaker 1: he from. If you miss got a boot man, if
Speaker 1: we miss I'd love to see that awesome yep. Uh
Speaker 1: my goodness. I mean, if if he ends up missing
Speaker 1: from thirty seven, it's like, oh, what's going on? But
Speaker 1: if he misses from sixty seven, then that's a little
Speaker 1: bit different. Uh. Geo, our guy, Geo Molina says, with
Speaker 1: Neil Parsons and Cox changing the speed, the overall speed
Speaker 1: a linebacker, which is something we talked about earlier. Is
Speaker 1: it a possibility that we see a transition where Smith
Speaker 1: and Layton vander Esch become rotational guys. You're already seeing that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we are right. They will be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they might wander, both might play some special teams. I
Speaker 1: mean just because I mean, that's not a bad thing.
Speaker 1: It's not I mean a demotion we had. We had
Speaker 1: Darren Woodson in here last week and he did it
Speaker 1: all throughout his career. Guy that should be in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. There's nothing wrong with that. But I
Speaker 1: just think that that's possible, you know, because you've got
Speaker 1: to if you're gonna be on the game day roster
Speaker 1: and you're not playing ninety eight percent of the snaps
Speaker 1: like Jalen Smith did, then yeah, you could see those
Speaker 1: guys on special teams. I don't think that's out of
Speaker 1: the question. That's not a bad thing. I know. I
Speaker 1: bring this up. When I was in Seattle, when Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn was around, you saw you saw you saw Thomas
Speaker 1: on special teams. You saw Sherman on special teams. You
Speaker 1: saw some of your premier guys, Cam Chancellor on special teams.
Speaker 1: When you were in a position. Then when you have
Speaker 1: depth and you can put some of your most competitive,
Speaker 1: dominant players on special teams, why have two thirds of
Speaker 1: your units really good. When you can have all three
Speaker 1: phases good right, when you can have all three phases dominant,
Speaker 1: why would you not do that if you have players
Speaker 1: that are selfless and willing to do it. Now, obviously
Speaker 1: you always more plays means more risk of injury, absolutely,
Speaker 1: but you can't play scared. So if you have an
Speaker 1: opportunity to go out there and have your dogs, go
Speaker 1: out there and compete on special teams, you take you
Speaker 1: dominate that phase. If you're dominating three phases into the game,
Speaker 1: guess what your chances of winning just went up? Isaiah
Speaker 1: stand on special teams day, I like this, say it
Speaker 1: with your chest, my friend. Kind of backing up on
Speaker 1: the GEO question, is the linebacker room more crowded than
Speaker 1: the wide receiver room with guys like Francis Bernard and
Speaker 1: Luke Gifford now being in danger of being on that bubble? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that. You know, the depth is incredible from
Speaker 1: the linebacker perspective from where we were last year to now. So, um,
Speaker 1: those two guys added Cox and Parsons just makes it
Speaker 1: and better. And yeah, I mean that's a whole other
Speaker 1: starts graded or second highest graded linebacker in the NFL. Preseason.
Speaker 1: He's got a ninety five grade on pro football. But
Speaker 1: I think it is what I also think it's very spectacular,
Speaker 1: is the way that that speed translates in this game.
Speaker 1: But you know, I want to answer that when you're
Speaker 1: talking about GEO and the special teams part. I think
Speaker 1: it's important to to think about this this squad maybe
Speaker 1: three years ago where special teams was kind of an afterthought,
Speaker 1: and now and losing games because of special teams eras,
Speaker 1: and now this team is just like, nah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: put our best guys out there. It doesn't matter what
Speaker 1: you're getting paid. You can play special teams as well.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think for a team of of
Speaker 1: guys that you want to see them be selfless, this
Speaker 1: is the way to do it. And so if there
Speaker 1: was anyone like Malie Hookers, a guy that says I
Speaker 1: never played special teams, well, hell, if you want to
Speaker 1: make the squad, you gotta play special teams. Doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Gotta gotta find a way to fit into a role,
Speaker 1: especially if you're not the starter. I mean, even if
Speaker 1: you are the starter, if you want to contribute, like
Speaker 1: Isaiah saying, then hey, as long as you don't get hurt.
Speaker 1: That's my one issue with putting those even go out
Speaker 1: there thinking about that. Yeah. Uh, final question here, and
Speaker 1: this is I don't really want I guess I'll say
Speaker 1: the name Terzo Power is kind of fun. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the name of the account Terso Power. Uh. We
Speaker 1: know Jalen won't save money if he's cut, but keeping
Speaker 1: him is not costless. He may take a spot from
Speaker 1: someone in better at another position. Why isn't this always
Speaker 1: framed that way? So more of saying that even though
Speaker 1: he's not gonna save money, it doesn't come without a
Speaker 1: cost to keep him on the roster, either by cutting
Speaker 1: or trading. I don't think there's even a remote possibility
Speaker 1: of cutting Jalens Man. Jalen's not going anywhere unless somebody
Speaker 1: comes with a big boy like out of his world trade.
Speaker 1: He's not going anywhere leading tacklers that might too, like
Speaker 1: out of this world trade would mean the cowboys get
Speaker 1: the best value, because I don't know what is what
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith's value is your trade market. It's probably not
Speaker 1: a whole lot. Jalen Smith is a good linebacker when
Speaker 1: you let him do what he does, when you ask
Speaker 1: him to do the whole gamut, which is what we
Speaker 1: did last year. We expected him to be able to
Speaker 1: shed blocks and all that kind of stuff. Now he's
Speaker 1: getting paid a pretty penny, and I understand the expectations
Speaker 1: rise when that happens. But if there's a guys, there's
Speaker 1: plenty of guys in the history of football in the
Speaker 1: NFL that got paid a pretty penny and they can
Speaker 1: do this. They do this really well. He can tackle
Speaker 1: very well. So put him in the box, right, let
Speaker 1: the other guys run around, Let Parsons run around. Put
Speaker 1: him it's putting him at what position metal, put the mic,
Speaker 1: put him at the him at the mic. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's what I'm gonna do it. Yeah, that's what. Put
Speaker 1: him at the mike. Keep him in the box. Put
Speaker 1: two guys on the edge that could really run. And
Speaker 1: I don't think that's Laden Vanderesh's natural position, which they
Speaker 1: hadn't playing last year. So um and again, I go
Speaker 1: back and forth on Layton Vanderesh. Sometimes I think he's
Speaker 1: better as a mic. Sometimes I think he's better at
Speaker 1: the will. I think that the collarbone injuries, the neck injuries,
Speaker 1: and all of those will makes him a will. And
Speaker 1: I think if you want to get production and if
Speaker 1: you care about him, get him out of there because
Speaker 1: that's where he's gonna get the most damaged by taking
Speaker 1: on guys. Look, you know it's a lot when it
Speaker 1: comes down to Jalen and when you're doing the comparisons
Speaker 1: with Mica, it's night and day. And it shouldn't be
Speaker 1: that way. You should look at Jalen as another as Micah,
Speaker 1: as a guy on this team that's gonna come tribute
Speaker 1: along with Jalen Smith as well. So a long season,
Speaker 1: both of these guys are going to contribute to the
Speaker 1: wins on this team. You have to start looking at
Speaker 1: this unit and how they how they what's the word
Speaker 1: I'm looking for. I can't think of a word, but
Speaker 1: how they how they benefit each other? Right, and like
Speaker 1: like these guys are gonna be played the compliment how
Speaker 1: they compliment each other. That stop looking at this as oh,
Speaker 1: this person does this, this person gonna do this? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: they do. They're gonna be really good together. And and
Speaker 1: when you bring the talent level up like you did
Speaker 1: at this position again, you take Jalen Smith, you say, hey,
Speaker 1: big fellow, you don't have to worry about all that anymore.
Speaker 1: What you do well, push that good dog on that
Speaker 1: easy button and go right, go hunt. Okay, I can
Speaker 1: do that. I do that really well, right, And I
Speaker 1: could justify my paycheck if I go out there and
Speaker 1: I own that. Michael Parsons, you running hit? You want
Speaker 1: to run in hit? You like that, right, Jabrel cos
Speaker 1: you're running hit, Neil, you're running hit. Okay, you guys
Speaker 1: do that right. And I'm allowing my other, my other
Speaker 1: big boys to do what they do best. That's when
Speaker 1: guys can play playing fast. I have to worry about
Speaker 1: all these other responsibilities. I could play fast. I could
Speaker 1: do exactly what Dan quinns. I cannot play fast if
Speaker 1: I'm man to man on Logan Thompson across what I do.
Speaker 1: Will I do it? I'm willing to, yeah, or I'm
Speaker 1: willing to do it. But am I gonna be the
Speaker 1: best at it? No, I'm not gonna go. I'm just not. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: the guy, I think guy answer his own question. Kyle
Speaker 1: think his money's guaranteed, so he's here and and so
Speaker 1: what fine roles that he can do? Well? You know,
Speaker 1: whether it's whether you guys mentioned the mic, whether it's
Speaker 1: the Sam playing you know, kind of set in the
Speaker 1: edge on the side of maybe you know, he's a
Speaker 1: blitz guy. Sometimes they play him on the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage as a rusher, all those things, just you know,
Speaker 1: put him as part of the rotation. That's what that's
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do. I'm interested to see how many
Speaker 1: snaps it's gonna be per game though, ones if everybody
Speaker 1: stays healthy and just how they figure that all out.
Speaker 1: That helps guys stay healthy. Yeah, yes, it does, it does. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. And maybe that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why they are excited to keep all those guys around.
Speaker 1: It is that way if I'm doing I mean, last year,
Speaker 1: if Layton vander eschmiss time, it was Jalen Smith and
Speaker 1: then Joe Thomas, Joe Thomas, I mean, and nothing against
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas, like Michael Parsons Kanail have been exponentially. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas looked a lot better than the linebackers that
Speaker 1: we had last year. And just run stop and again
Speaker 1: back to what you're saying, whatever, all this stuff that
Speaker 1: we're talking about doesn't mean a thing if we cannot
Speaker 1: stop the run. And Michael Parsons right now, we're singing
Speaker 1: his praises and he's so great. But if he can't
Speaker 1: take on, he will get consumed as well. It will
Speaker 1: be the same way if he can't stick his head
Speaker 1: in there, if he can't shoot those gaps, if he's
Speaker 1: not making those tackles, then we're back to square one
Speaker 1: all over again. Yeah, lots of defensive talk today here
Speaker 1: on Talking Cowboys, but that is going to do it
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