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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey there, welcome back. You have found once again the

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Speaker 2: Book of Joe Podcast with me, Tom Berducci and of

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Speaker 2: course Joe Madden. I am live here, well maybe not live,

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Speaker 2: but I'm trying to stay alive at the Winter Meetings

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Speaker 2: Baseball Winter Meetings in Dallas, Texas, which opened with a

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Speaker 2: splash on Sunday night with a Mets in agreement with

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Speaker 2: Juan Soto on a fifteen year deal seven hundred and

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Speaker 2: sixty five million dollars, with a chance to get even

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Speaker 2: more with escalators to go over eight hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 2: It really did rock the industry. Joe Madden, when you

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Speaker 2: first heard about the deal in the New York Mets.

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Speaker 3: Well, honestly, it's like, it's not nothing surprised anymore, does it?

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Speaker 3: The fact that you know you could talk about show

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Speaker 3: he does two things. Well last year he did one

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Speaker 3: thing and he did it really well, and MVP kind

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Speaker 3: question regarding how we the world works today. Of course,

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Speaker 3: it's an astronomical number. It's crazy. So much good could

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Speaker 3: I found interesting is that a part of the conclusion

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Speaker 3: fact that he got some kind of a luxury suite.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you're making that much money, doesn't that

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Speaker 3: kind of become a moot point? I thought that was

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Speaker 3: kind of humorous anyway. I interested that the Yankees got

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Speaker 3: that deep into it. Also, good or bad for the game,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess it's good, good or bad

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Speaker 3: for the Mets. I'm not sure yet because that's that's

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Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of hemp into one dude.

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Speaker 3: So I interesting, definitely worth conversation. Automatically, people assume the

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Speaker 3: Mets are like the team, but I'm not convinced yet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna get into what happens with the New

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Speaker 2: York Yankees after once soda. But let's talk about the

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Speaker 2: deal a little bit more, Joe. I mean, I am

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Speaker 2: personally not surprised one bit. Today's a New York Met.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I had no idea the numbers weren't to

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Speaker 2: get where they wound up. But when you have an

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Speaker 2: owner like Steve Cohene, he's worth twenty one billion dollars.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, when he bought the Mets four

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Speaker 2: years ago, he was worth quote unquote only fourteen billion dollars.

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Speaker 2: So he's got plenty of money. He's got an art

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Speaker 2: collection that's valued at more than one billion dollars. It's

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Speaker 2: one billion dollars just in oil, paintings and sculptures. And

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Speaker 2: he has said in the past in his collection of

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Speaker 2: means he doesn't like it. Basically, he buys art on

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Speaker 2: got the money to do that. It's the same thing

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Speaker 2: with Juan Soto. He had it that you know, this

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Speaker 2: the Yankees get into this thing. They can talk all

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Speaker 2: I gotta believe when this thing started it was going

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Speaker 2: There was no way Steve Cohen was going to be

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Speaker 2: outbid for Juan Soto. It just was not going to happen.

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Speaker 2: This is a guy who pete more than sixty million

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Speaker 2: You know, he had more dead money for players not

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Speaker 2: actual roster. So he's got a different version of what

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Speaker 3: Your art comp makes all the sense in the world

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Speaker 3: if that's how he is, and that just fits perfectly

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Speaker 3: Was not the case? So interesting, Like I'm saying, I mean,

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Speaker 3: He wanted to take over New York City, and he's

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Speaker 3: doing that also when it comes to baseball, he's attempting

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And listen, I said all along, once the Yankees

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Speaker 2: And they've needed a left handed compliment to Aaron Judge

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Speaker 2: just didn't think one year in New York, even going

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Speaker 2: I want to stay here, I want the legacy of pinstripes.

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Speaker 2: next decade or so. No, everything was planned to have

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Speaker 2: years and years ago. So I don't think he was

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Speaker 2: If not, you know, they were the incumbent. Don't get

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Speaker 2: me wrong, he did like it there, but if you

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Speaker 2: is more money, by the way, Joe, I know people

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Speaker 2: Even if that's a little bit that matters to people,

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Speaker 2: Why am I meaning more to Steve Cohen than I

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Speaker 3: It's always the suitor's responsibility to indicate to whom ever

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Speaker 3: That's pretty much how this whole thing works. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: that all makes absolute positive sense. I do agree completely

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Speaker 3: But if the reward is going to be financial, I

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, and you know it takes also

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Speaker 2: years ago. I mean, that's life changing money putting right

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Speaker 2: And he bet on himself. He said no. Last year

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Speaker 2: It takes a certain guy that turned down that kind

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Speaker 2: They didn't really rate each other's players. Well, all bets

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and just to go back in time a little

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Speaker 2: him to age in an unforgiving place like New York. Right.

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Speaker 2: The back end of the deal is rough on mon Soto,

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Speaker 2: But that's the only downside is you know what is

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Speaker 3: A piece of art, right there, you go. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: don't think that was an issue when Cohen's putting that

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Speaker 3: but that wasn't his concern. His concern was grabbing that

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Speaker 3: that's not going to go away. So there was that. Regardless,

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Speaker 3: So it's a piece of art in Cohen's mind, is

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Speaker 2: Well, we get back to you. I want to talk

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Speaker 2: the Yankees go right after this on the book of Joe. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Joe going to make you general manager of the Yankees,

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Speaker 2: You cannot replace that. There's no one at the Yankees

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very interesting are the is there are there power

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Speaker 2: I like the one guy because I'll tell you why.

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Speaker 2: One Soda we just talked about. He's a sure thing,

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Speaker 2: you know what you have, right, and now that he's

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Speaker 2: With Juan Soto, that's a slam dunk. You signed one Soda,

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Speaker 2: But to replace Wan Soto, now you're going to have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But I do believe that there's there's some guys

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Speaker 3: You're getting guys that are relatively young yet with a

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Speaker 3: I know Aeronauto's been mentioned also, but Bregman great track record.

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Speaker 3: He probably doesn't want to leave Houston. But I'm just saying,

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Speaker 3: He I know it's not so to but no of

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Speaker 2: the first thing the Yankees have to do, and Brian

429
00:20:41,678 --> 00:20:45,478
Speaker 2: Cashman finally said this is they got to get Aaron

430
00:20:45,558 --> 00:20:48,598
Speaker 2: Judge out of center field. I mean thirty two, thirty

431
00:20:48,598 --> 00:20:51,318
Speaker 2: three years old, at six foot eight and two hundred

432
00:20:51,318 --> 00:20:54,078
Speaker 2: eighty pounds six foot seven. No, I mean, I know

433
00:20:54,198 --> 00:20:56,918
Speaker 2: he can do it. You know, he's a decent enough outfielder,

434
00:20:57,638 --> 00:21:00,998
Speaker 2: but you know, with Soto, not there. Now it's it's

435
00:21:01,278 --> 00:21:03,398
Speaker 2: a must for them, and then whether that's you're going

436
00:21:03,438 --> 00:21:05,678
Speaker 2: to play Grisham a one ninety hitter out there and

437
00:21:05,718 --> 00:21:08,718
Speaker 2: a plus defender in center field. I like Bellinger, that's

438
00:21:08,758 --> 00:21:10,758
Speaker 2: a little bit of a flyer though. You know, on

439
00:21:10,878 --> 00:21:12,718
Speaker 2: Bellinger it could be a one year deal. He can

440
00:21:12,758 --> 00:21:14,758
Speaker 2: opt out and now you have to replace him. Again,

441
00:21:14,838 --> 00:21:18,598
Speaker 2: this I'm talking about, there's dominoes that keep falling here.

442
00:21:18,598 --> 00:21:21,278
Speaker 2: As you replace Juan Soto, you have to keep doing it.

443
00:21:21,358 --> 00:21:24,358
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you can't Christian Walker. I'm with you,

444
00:21:24,438 --> 00:21:26,678
Speaker 2: sign me up for Christian Walker. But he's thirty four.

445
00:21:26,718 --> 00:21:30,758
Speaker 2: He's also right handed. Fregman, you can't expect him to

446
00:21:30,798 --> 00:21:34,078
Speaker 2: hit as many home runs outside of Houston vambox. You know,

447
00:21:34,158 --> 00:21:36,958
Speaker 2: there's things they can do. I would double down on

448
00:21:37,038 --> 00:21:40,078
Speaker 2: starting pitching. I would get really involved in Corbyn Burns

449
00:21:40,158 --> 00:21:43,398
Speaker 2: and or Max Freed. I would. You know, seeing Garrett

450
00:21:43,438 --> 00:21:45,638
Speaker 2: Cole have some elbow issues this year, that scares me

451
00:21:45,678 --> 00:21:48,798
Speaker 2: a little bit. Radon had his issues in the postseason.

452
00:21:49,518 --> 00:21:52,078
Speaker 2: He can't go wrong to me with spending more money

453
00:21:52,118 --> 00:21:57,158
Speaker 2: on elite starting pitching. But again, Joe, I think in

454
00:21:57,198 --> 00:22:00,038
Speaker 2: your scenario, unless they get Bellinger. I'm not sure that

455
00:22:00,118 --> 00:22:02,438
Speaker 2: would happen, or even if bellies a really good fit

456
00:22:02,438 --> 00:22:05,438
Speaker 2: in New York, I have questions about that. That balance

457
00:22:05,478 --> 00:22:08,518
Speaker 2: that you lost with Soto's left handed bat is really

458
00:22:08,558 --> 00:22:10,838
Speaker 2: a thing for me, making a team even more right

459
00:22:10,878 --> 00:22:13,438
Speaker 2: handed around Judge, we saw what happened. Yankees didn't go

460
00:22:13,478 --> 00:22:14,838
Speaker 2: to the playoffs the previous year.

461
00:22:15,158 --> 00:22:17,118
Speaker 3: See here's the thing I mean for me, I've always

462
00:22:17,158 --> 00:22:19,358
Speaker 3: even questioned this or thought about this. As a young

463
00:22:19,598 --> 00:22:22,598
Speaker 3: Scott manager in the eighties, so many times I thought

464
00:22:22,678 --> 00:22:25,118
Speaker 3: teams are reactive. They kind of did a dance, and

465
00:22:25,158 --> 00:22:28,358
Speaker 3: then eventually you go with what's left over as opposed

466
00:22:28,398 --> 00:22:31,278
Speaker 3: to attacking what you who you and your staff really

467
00:22:31,318 --> 00:22:33,878
Speaker 3: believe is who we want going it's going to make

468
00:22:33,958 --> 00:22:35,558
Speaker 3: us better. And I think the Yankees are in that

469
00:22:35,598 --> 00:22:38,878
Speaker 3: position if you're willing to commit that much money, which

470
00:22:38,878 --> 00:22:43,158
Speaker 3: they have obviously. To one guy, I was just really

471
00:22:43,398 --> 00:22:45,918
Speaker 3: drop this schematic. This is who we want and how

472
00:22:45,958 --> 00:22:47,518
Speaker 3: we wanted. This is how we believe it's going to

473
00:22:47,558 --> 00:22:51,078
Speaker 3: play as opposed to be reactionary. That's that to me

474
00:22:51,158 --> 00:22:53,518
Speaker 3: is where I would go with this whole thing. And

475
00:22:53,678 --> 00:22:57,638
Speaker 3: I and Cash, Cash is makes bold moves. I think

476
00:22:57,678 --> 00:23:01,118
Speaker 3: Brian does a great job. So I'm not like you're

477
00:23:01,118 --> 00:23:03,718
Speaker 3: going to be knee jerk reactive. Just to make a point.

478
00:23:04,758 --> 00:23:07,758
Speaker 3: If you really dig on people, draw up that group

479
00:23:07,838 --> 00:23:10,798
Speaker 3: right now and go get them. Don't be denied. Don't

480
00:23:10,798 --> 00:23:13,878
Speaker 3: really be counting on these minor league dudes that may

481
00:23:13,918 --> 00:23:16,878
Speaker 3: be good eventually, because I mean I keep I don't

482
00:23:16,878 --> 00:23:20,278
Speaker 3: know enough of them. I keep reading contrarian kind of

483
00:23:20,318 --> 00:23:23,198
Speaker 3: reports regarding their abilities or not. So the Yankees went

484
00:23:23,198 --> 00:23:25,558
Speaker 3: to the series, they got to go back and when

485
00:23:25,998 --> 00:23:28,158
Speaker 3: they have some nice players. I like their catcher a lot.

486
00:23:28,358 --> 00:23:31,798
Speaker 3: I think he's really good. I like Cabreras as a

487
00:23:31,878 --> 00:23:34,278
Speaker 3: superhu guy. I like him a lot. But overall, I mean,

488
00:23:34,318 --> 00:23:36,078
Speaker 3: I like their shortstoff. But they need to do some

489
00:23:36,118 --> 00:23:38,078
Speaker 3: things yet, and you can't. I don't know if you

490
00:23:38,118 --> 00:23:39,878
Speaker 3: can rely on to amingas I haven't seen enough of

491
00:23:39,958 --> 00:23:42,758
Speaker 3: him and the big outfield that I keep reading about him.

492
00:23:42,758 --> 00:23:43,838
Speaker 3: Remember his name off the top of my.

493
00:23:43,838 --> 00:23:47,598
Speaker 2: Head, Spencer Jones. Guy struck out two hundred times last year.

494
00:23:47,678 --> 00:23:49,958
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a tough one, you know. So you

495
00:23:49,958 --> 00:23:52,558
Speaker 3: don't know when eventually these guys may hit it. I

496
00:23:52,598 --> 00:23:54,438
Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, they've had their scouts up there

497
00:23:54,438 --> 00:23:56,078
Speaker 3: and they got their opinions and they got to look

498
00:23:56,118 --> 00:23:57,678
Speaker 3: at it. They got to look at it objectively and

499
00:23:57,718 --> 00:24:00,158
Speaker 3: not with any kind of bias because we signed them.

500
00:24:00,198 --> 00:24:03,398
Speaker 3: So I think it's time for bold moves. And if

501
00:24:03,398 --> 00:24:05,478
Speaker 3: you're willing to commit that kind of money to one guy,

502
00:24:06,198 --> 00:24:09,078
Speaker 3: these other guys really are good players. They're not okay,

503
00:24:09,118 --> 00:24:11,678
Speaker 3: they're really good. So I would be I would target

504
00:24:11,758 --> 00:24:13,678
Speaker 3: them and I'd go after them. I would make sure

505
00:24:13,678 --> 00:24:17,198
Speaker 3: that it happened. That's they're the Yankees, and I think

506
00:24:17,278 --> 00:24:19,398
Speaker 3: that may be part of their game plan right now.

507
00:24:19,678 --> 00:24:21,798
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. Listen, They're gonna give it an

508
00:24:21,838 --> 00:24:24,118
Speaker 2: aggressive shot, There's no question about it. They're also in

509
00:24:24,158 --> 00:24:26,638
Speaker 2: competition with other clothes for these players. It doesn't mean,

510
00:24:26,798 --> 00:24:28,398
Speaker 2: as they found out, you're going to get the guys

511
00:24:28,398 --> 00:24:31,278
Speaker 2: that you want. That's why I'm saying that they're really

512
00:24:31,358 --> 00:24:33,958
Speaker 2: up against it in terms of they have holes, Joe,

513
00:24:34,038 --> 00:24:36,598
Speaker 2: they have a serious holes. Yeah, there are some answers

514
00:24:36,598 --> 00:24:39,678
Speaker 2: out there, don't get me wrong, but again, it's going

515
00:24:39,718 --> 00:24:42,158
Speaker 2: to be difficult to a get those players and b

516
00:24:42,358 --> 00:24:44,598
Speaker 2: make sure you have the right mix. You mentioned their

517
00:24:44,598 --> 00:24:46,438
Speaker 2: farm system. I'm glad you brought that up because the

518
00:24:46,478 --> 00:24:49,078
Speaker 2: Mets and the Yankees might be competing again, this time

519
00:24:49,118 --> 00:24:52,358
Speaker 2: for Garrett Crochet, the pitcher of the White Sox, feel

520
00:24:53,318 --> 00:24:55,598
Speaker 2: they need the trade. In fact, the White Sox people

521
00:24:55,638 --> 00:24:57,918
Speaker 2: I talk to seem to think they can get that

522
00:24:57,958 --> 00:25:00,438
Speaker 2: deal done this week. I have my doubts about that.

523
00:25:00,518 --> 00:25:02,238
Speaker 2: I talked with one team that was in it that said,

524
00:25:02,278 --> 00:25:05,838
Speaker 2: they're asking you for three prospects and they have not

525
00:25:05,958 --> 00:25:07,878
Speaker 2: budget off of that, and that team might spoke to

526
00:25:07,998 --> 00:25:10,798
Speaker 2: they they turned and ran. They just didn't think they

527
00:25:10,798 --> 00:25:14,558
Speaker 2: were gonna pay that kind of price. Because Garrett Crochet

528
00:25:14,638 --> 00:25:17,598
Speaker 2: is Joe. I think he's got number one quality stuff.

529
00:25:18,278 --> 00:25:20,558
Speaker 2: He doesn't have the track record. He also has only

530
00:25:20,638 --> 00:25:23,078
Speaker 2: two years of control before he's a free agent. He's

531
00:25:23,118 --> 00:25:25,478
Speaker 2: never really pitched a full season. They put some governors

532
00:25:25,518 --> 00:25:28,278
Speaker 2: on him last year because it was his first season starting,

533
00:25:28,598 --> 00:25:30,638
Speaker 2: and you know he him pitches great in the second half.

534
00:25:30,678 --> 00:25:32,638
Speaker 2: But again, you know, he's getting one hundred and thirty

535
00:25:32,678 --> 00:25:36,078
Speaker 2: innings for the first time. He doesn't have that background

536
00:25:36,118 --> 00:25:39,158
Speaker 2: and making thirty starts a year after year. So number

537
00:25:39,198 --> 00:25:42,438
Speaker 2: one stuff, but hasn't profiled yet in front of our

538
00:25:42,438 --> 00:25:44,878
Speaker 2: eyes as that type of pitcher. I certainly would be

539
00:25:44,878 --> 00:25:47,678
Speaker 2: interested in getting a Garrett Crochet, but I'm not sure

540
00:25:47,678 --> 00:25:49,598
Speaker 2: I would pay an elite price for a guy who's

541
00:25:49,638 --> 00:25:51,878
Speaker 2: got some risk because he just hasn't done it and

542
00:25:51,958 --> 00:25:54,278
Speaker 2: in two years he might be gone anyway.

543
00:25:54,078 --> 00:25:54,998
Speaker 3: Twenty five years old.

544
00:25:54,998 --> 00:25:56,598
Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, yeah, left handed.

545
00:25:56,998 --> 00:25:59,318
Speaker 3: See that's the part that is interesting to me that

546
00:25:59,358 --> 00:26:01,998
Speaker 3: you just mentioned everything that's not I would be concerned

547
00:26:01,998 --> 00:26:04,318
Speaker 3: with all of that stuff. I think a big heart

548
00:26:04,598 --> 00:26:06,398
Speaker 3: of wanting to make a deal like that or not

549
00:26:06,518 --> 00:26:09,078
Speaker 3: is knowing the guy and getting some really good insight

550
00:26:09,198 --> 00:26:13,358
Speaker 3: information with the acquiring teams. Just not here's Sarah not

551
00:26:13,358 --> 00:26:16,478
Speaker 3: reading a newspaper article. Let's let's find out more about

552
00:26:16,478 --> 00:26:17,038
Speaker 3: this fellow.

553
00:26:17,238 --> 00:26:19,318
Speaker 2: Well, he's a bulldog, and I'm sorry, I what I

554
00:26:19,438 --> 00:26:21,758
Speaker 2: like about Joe's He obviously got to the big leagues

555
00:26:21,758 --> 00:26:23,638
Speaker 2: out of the bullpen, and he went to the White

556
00:26:23,678 --> 00:26:26,078
Speaker 2: Sox right and he said, I want to start, okay,

557
00:26:26,238 --> 00:26:27,958
Speaker 2: and they kind of rolled their eyes. They thought they

558
00:26:27,958 --> 00:26:30,238
Speaker 2: had a really good bullpen piece. And man, he hit

559
00:26:30,278 --> 00:26:32,758
Speaker 2: the ground running. I mean he showed me a lot.

560
00:26:32,838 --> 00:26:36,038
Speaker 2: He's a big dude. I mean, you think Derek Scouoball

561
00:26:36,118 --> 00:26:38,678
Speaker 2: is big. He's a horse, he's got the body who

562
00:26:38,678 --> 00:26:41,958
Speaker 2: can be one hundred and eighty guy. So I think

563
00:26:41,998 --> 00:26:43,878
Speaker 2: he's got that right makeup that you would look for.

564
00:26:43,998 --> 00:26:45,918
Speaker 3: Joe, Well, that's it. I mean that would be number

565
00:26:45,918 --> 00:26:48,718
Speaker 3: one for me. I would look at his armstroke regarding

566
00:26:49,078 --> 00:26:52,798
Speaker 3: how healthy I think he can remain with that, and yeah, listen,

567
00:26:53,278 --> 00:26:55,478
Speaker 3: definitely somebody's gonna go after this if he is all

568
00:26:55,558 --> 00:26:57,878
Speaker 3: of that, which I believe he is. Somebody's gonna relent.

569
00:26:57,958 --> 00:26:59,598
Speaker 3: Somebody's gonna come up with that. We just want to

570
00:26:59,598 --> 00:27:01,518
Speaker 3: give you two prospects in front of the going to say,

571
00:27:01,758 --> 00:27:03,678
Speaker 3: now we're throwing the third guy too. They might give

572
00:27:03,718 --> 00:27:05,918
Speaker 3: him a list of two or three guys and might

573
00:27:06,238 --> 00:27:09,118
Speaker 3: ameliorate the situation, but it's gonna happen. I did the

574
00:27:09,158 --> 00:27:11,758
Speaker 3: White Sox have to do something like that. They're not.

575
00:27:12,238 --> 00:27:14,718
Speaker 3: It's going to be so difficult to turn that battleship

576
00:27:14,718 --> 00:27:17,638
Speaker 3: around on a dime. They're gonna need to really take

577
00:27:17,678 --> 00:27:19,478
Speaker 3: a much wider birth in order to get that done.

578
00:27:19,518 --> 00:27:21,718
Speaker 3: So they got to do something like that. So they'll

579
00:27:21,718 --> 00:27:23,798
Speaker 3: shop and get their best two or three guys, or

580
00:27:23,838 --> 00:27:27,318
Speaker 3: three guys, maybe two plus a really young established major

581
00:27:27,398 --> 00:27:29,798
Speaker 3: league player or something to that effect. But it's going

582
00:27:29,838 --> 00:27:32,518
Speaker 3: to happen. There's no question it's going to happen. And

583
00:27:32,558 --> 00:27:34,998
Speaker 3: that's where the Yankees whomever could get really aggressive with

584
00:27:35,038 --> 00:27:37,798
Speaker 3: that too. But not having pitched that many innings in

585
00:27:37,838 --> 00:27:42,478
Speaker 3: an annual basis somewhat concerning. It is somewhat concerning because

586
00:27:42,478 --> 00:27:43,718
Speaker 3: you don't know how it's going to react to it

587
00:27:43,838 --> 00:27:45,878
Speaker 3: arm wise. I know the body looks great, but you

588
00:27:45,998 --> 00:27:46,558
Speaker 3: just never know.

589
00:27:46,878 --> 00:27:48,918
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the best comp is Tyler Glass.

590
00:27:48,958 --> 00:27:49,158
Speaker 3: Now.

591
00:27:49,398 --> 00:27:51,318
Speaker 2: He's a lot like Glass now and that he doesn't

592
00:27:51,318 --> 00:27:53,718
Speaker 2: have those innings built up. He's got wipe out stuff.

593
00:27:53,758 --> 00:27:55,678
Speaker 2: He's a guy who's able to start a game one

594
00:27:55,758 --> 00:27:57,958
Speaker 2: of a postseason series if you want him, and if

595
00:27:57,958 --> 00:28:00,758
Speaker 2: he gets there healthy, and you know, maybe you do

596
00:28:00,838 --> 00:28:03,758
Speaker 2: what the Dodgers did with with Glass. Now, you sign

597
00:28:03,798 --> 00:28:06,358
Speaker 2: the guy after trading for him to make sure he

598
00:28:06,398 --> 00:28:08,638
Speaker 2: doesn't leave in two years, and you take on that

599
00:28:08,758 --> 00:28:11,118
Speaker 2: risk that you know he might only be a twenty

600
00:28:11,158 --> 00:28:13,558
Speaker 2: star guy year after year. Last know, that's what happened

601
00:28:13,598 --> 00:28:15,198
Speaker 2: to him again. You know he's not going to get

602
00:28:15,198 --> 00:28:17,398
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty innings, but the innings that you

603
00:28:17,518 --> 00:28:19,878
Speaker 2: do get are going to be dominant. A lot of

604
00:28:19,878 --> 00:28:21,958
Speaker 2: teams in the mix is not just the Yankees and

605
00:28:21,998 --> 00:28:24,838
Speaker 2: the Mets. But I do think that I'm with you.

606
00:28:24,958 --> 00:28:27,558
Speaker 2: They need to trade Crochet and I would not bring

607
00:28:27,638 --> 00:28:29,638
Speaker 2: him to spring training. I would try to get it done,

608
00:28:29,838 --> 00:28:32,398
Speaker 2: especially this week during the meetings, Joe, you brought up

609
00:28:32,398 --> 00:28:34,118
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought this up when you talked about

610
00:28:34,118 --> 00:28:36,638
Speaker 2: the Yankees adding some high character guys that you look

611
00:28:36,678 --> 00:28:39,998
Speaker 2: at when you go back to your fifteen Cubs. I

612
00:28:40,038 --> 00:28:43,678
Speaker 2: see some similarities with the twenty four Detroit Tigers who

613
00:28:43,718 --> 00:28:46,398
Speaker 2: broke through with a lot of young players who kind

614
00:28:46,398 --> 00:28:49,038
Speaker 2: of popped at the same time, and they got a

615
00:28:49,038 --> 00:28:51,678
Speaker 2: little bit of taste of the postseason and did really well.

616
00:28:51,878 --> 00:28:54,158
Speaker 2: You know, that run the last five six of the week,

617
00:28:54,638 --> 00:28:56,398
Speaker 2: six weeks in the season caught a lot of people

618
00:28:56,438 --> 00:29:00,918
Speaker 2: by surprise. But now Scotty Harris, GM president is looking

619
00:29:00,958 --> 00:29:03,558
Speaker 2: to add and he's been upfront about this several times,

620
00:29:03,998 --> 00:29:07,038
Speaker 2: veteran leadership to this team to show these guys, you know,

621
00:29:07,158 --> 00:29:08,598
Speaker 2: how to take it to the next level. One of

622
00:29:08,598 --> 00:29:10,638
Speaker 2: the guys that are looking at is Paul Goldschmidt. I

623
00:29:10,638 --> 00:29:13,118
Speaker 2: think that'd be a great signing for Detroit. You know,

624
00:29:13,118 --> 00:29:14,758
Speaker 2: I don't know how much Goldie has left in the

625
00:29:14,798 --> 00:29:17,398
Speaker 2: Tank had a really down year, but if you break

626
00:29:17,438 --> 00:29:20,838
Speaker 2: down his numbers, he was still hitting the ball really hard.

627
00:29:21,278 --> 00:29:23,358
Speaker 2: There's a lot when you dive into some of the

628
00:29:23,478 --> 00:29:26,038
Speaker 2: secondary numbers to think that there's a bounce back in

629
00:29:26,118 --> 00:29:29,558
Speaker 2: Paul Goldschmidt. So if you're someone like Scotti Harris and

630
00:29:29,598 --> 00:29:31,478
Speaker 2: you're looking to at a veteran and if you bring

631
00:29:31,518 --> 00:29:34,678
Speaker 2: me back to the fifteen Cubs going into sixteen, how

632
00:29:34,718 --> 00:29:38,038
Speaker 2: important are those guys? Two younger everyday players And what

633
00:29:38,118 --> 00:29:39,718
Speaker 2: do you think of Goldschmid and Detroit?

634
00:29:39,958 --> 00:29:42,798
Speaker 3: First they did sign Alex cob too correct.

635
00:29:42,598 --> 00:29:44,278
Speaker 2: Yes, another one of your faces.

636
00:29:44,438 --> 00:29:48,038
Speaker 3: Yeah, no better, nobody better. So they nailed that for

637
00:29:48,078 --> 00:29:50,998
Speaker 3: their pitching staff one hundred percent. Yeah. I like the

638
00:29:50,998 --> 00:29:53,878
Speaker 3: Goldie idea a lot. And yes, I was with Scotty

639
00:29:53,918 --> 00:29:55,358
Speaker 3: with the Cub. Scotty and I used to sit and

640
00:29:55,398 --> 00:29:59,398
Speaker 3: talk often before and after game. He's a wonderful young man.

641
00:29:59,638 --> 00:30:02,838
Speaker 3: Like him a lot. And the difference, it's like the

642
00:30:02,878 --> 00:30:05,678
Speaker 3: difference between in the Lightning Bug, the difference between the

643
00:30:05,758 --> 00:30:08,758
Speaker 3: right and the wrong word. It's like, yes, you do

644
00:30:08,838 --> 00:30:11,198
Speaker 3: things like this, you you sign people like this that

645
00:30:11,238 --> 00:30:14,758
Speaker 3: are such difference makers. Youth is wonderful. Youth is great.

646
00:30:15,318 --> 00:30:17,998
Speaker 3: It's zuber, and it's it's energetic, it's all these kinds

647
00:30:17,998 --> 00:30:20,958
Speaker 3: of things, but sometimes he just doesn't handle the day

648
00:30:20,998 --> 00:30:22,718
Speaker 3: that well, and just you need a grown up in

649
00:30:22,718 --> 00:30:25,598
Speaker 3: a room. I like grown ups in my room quite frankly.

650
00:30:25,758 --> 00:30:27,678
Speaker 3: I think it's the best way I could describe it.

651
00:30:27,838 --> 00:30:32,038
Speaker 3: Somebody that's that really is able to show what it's

652
00:30:32,038 --> 00:30:35,158
Speaker 3: supposed to look like, primarily after having a horrible day

653
00:30:35,318 --> 00:30:37,998
Speaker 3: and coming back and having a normal day. Somebody that's

654
00:30:38,038 --> 00:30:41,958
Speaker 3: they're willing to tell somebody the truth and not ameliorate

655
00:30:41,958 --> 00:30:45,358
Speaker 3: the situation, not just be a pis an appeaser. Somebody

656
00:30:45,358 --> 00:30:48,638
Speaker 3: that's absolutely willing to tell somebody the truth is so important.

657
00:30:48,918 --> 00:30:51,158
Speaker 3: David Ross was great at that. He was really good

658
00:30:51,158 --> 00:30:53,078
Speaker 3: at that. He was one of my favorites ever of

659
00:30:53,158 --> 00:30:55,398
Speaker 3: doing that back in the day with the with the Rays.

660
00:30:55,398 --> 00:30:58,958
Speaker 3: I Gabe Kapler doing that with the Rays, Troy Percival,

661
00:30:59,118 --> 00:31:03,158
Speaker 3: I had Rik Kinsky, I had Cliff Floyd, and with

662
00:31:03,238 --> 00:31:06,358
Speaker 3: the going as you talked about the Cubs and Miguel

663
00:31:06,398 --> 00:31:10,478
Speaker 3: Montero Zobrist, we had. It was just loaded with this stuff.

664
00:31:10,558 --> 00:31:12,878
Speaker 3: And then you do that, you look at the twenty

665
00:31:12,918 --> 00:31:14,998
Speaker 3: sixteen World Series clubs, and you look at the youth

666
00:31:15,598 --> 00:31:17,518
Speaker 3: on the field and it was the youngest team ever

667
00:31:17,558 --> 00:31:20,118
Speaker 3: to win a World Series. But then you look at

668
00:31:20,198 --> 00:31:25,478
Speaker 3: all the professors, you know, the teachers around that group

669
00:31:25,518 --> 00:31:27,918
Speaker 3: that kept everything in line and kept everybody pointed in

670
00:31:27,958 --> 00:31:31,558
Speaker 3: the right direction. He said, I'm so happy Scotty's talking

671
00:31:31,638 --> 00:31:35,358
Speaker 3: that way. It's overlooked way too often. Everybody gets falls

672
00:31:35,358 --> 00:31:37,478
Speaker 3: in love with numbers to the point where they really

673
00:31:37,558 --> 00:31:40,438
Speaker 3: forget the human element. I'm glad to hear that Scotty

674
00:31:40,478 --> 00:31:43,678
Speaker 3: has not. That could be a big difference maker for

675
00:31:43,718 --> 00:31:48,038
Speaker 3: the long story short. Yeah, gultswit really fits that mold well.

676
00:31:48,478 --> 00:31:50,438
Speaker 3: If in fact, and this is where I do like

677
00:31:50,438 --> 00:31:52,558
Speaker 3: analytics a lot, if he hit the ball hard last year,

678
00:31:52,558 --> 00:31:55,478
Speaker 3: we could actually quantify that looking at the numbers that

679
00:31:56,198 --> 00:31:58,798
Speaker 3: matters to me. That would really be interesting to me.

680
00:31:59,038 --> 00:32:02,958
Speaker 3: From the moment ex velocity became in vogue, I've always

681
00:32:02,958 --> 00:32:06,078
Speaker 3: been a fan of that because when you look at somebody,

682
00:32:06,078 --> 00:32:08,478
Speaker 3: maybe their numbers aren't that good. There is such a

683
00:32:08,478 --> 00:32:11,638
Speaker 3: thing as bad baseball luck and malo swertde guys guys

684
00:32:11,638 --> 00:32:13,878
Speaker 3: that are bad luck, Guys that just hit a ball

685
00:32:13,918 --> 00:32:15,478
Speaker 3: foul by a quarter of an inch, or hit a

686
00:32:15,518 --> 00:32:17,758
Speaker 3: line drive that maybe the defense was put in the

687
00:32:17,798 --> 00:32:19,718
Speaker 3: right spot, So I would look at that. And gold

688
00:32:19,718 --> 00:32:21,958
Speaker 3: Smith's been part of a winning group. Love the way

689
00:32:21,958 --> 00:32:25,318
Speaker 3: he plays baseball. He's the perfect guy for the Tigers.

690
00:32:25,798 --> 00:32:29,358
Speaker 2: Yeah, a quick story on Goldie. Mark de Rosa was

691
00:32:29,358 --> 00:32:33,718
Speaker 2: the manager of Team USA in a WBC last time around.

692
00:32:34,118 --> 00:32:35,918
Speaker 2: Of course, you're talking about an all star team of

693
00:32:35,918 --> 00:32:37,998
Speaker 2: all star teams, right, All the big names in baseball

694
00:32:37,998 --> 00:32:41,118
Speaker 2: are playing on Team USA. So DeRosa starts it off,

695
00:32:41,158 --> 00:32:43,198
Speaker 2: gathers a team together in the clubhouse and has this

696
00:32:43,358 --> 00:32:45,438
Speaker 2: meeting to talk to them about how they want to

697
00:32:45,478 --> 00:32:47,318
Speaker 2: win this thing and not there just to show up

698
00:32:47,318 --> 00:32:49,358
Speaker 2: and have fun. And he was almost done with his

699
00:32:49,438 --> 00:32:53,078
Speaker 2: speech when Goldie basically got up and said, sit down, Mark,

700
00:32:53,198 --> 00:32:56,038
Speaker 2: I've got this, and he took over the speech. I

701
00:32:56,078 --> 00:32:59,198
Speaker 2: mean in a room full of absolute stars and Goldie,

702
00:32:59,238 --> 00:33:01,158
Speaker 2: as you know, is not a loud guy. But the

703
00:33:01,198 --> 00:33:04,958
Speaker 2: fact that he stood up and basically point on Team

704
00:33:05,078 --> 00:33:08,318
Speaker 2: USA from day one, that's the kind of guy I want.

705
00:33:08,358 --> 00:33:13,118
Speaker 3: My clubhouse didn't know that, and that even screams even louder. Yeah,

706
00:33:13,158 --> 00:33:14,838
Speaker 3: Detroit did a lot of fun things at the end

707
00:33:14,838 --> 00:33:16,958
Speaker 3: of last year, but everything that's like the perfect storm

708
00:33:16,998 --> 00:33:20,078
Speaker 3: and everything comes together at the conclusion, and that's wonderful

709
00:33:20,078 --> 00:33:22,438
Speaker 3: because you always want to get better. You're in progress.

710
00:33:22,438 --> 00:33:24,638
Speaker 3: You want to progress and not make regress. I mean,

711
00:33:24,678 --> 00:33:27,078
Speaker 3: of course, but if I don't see a team in

712
00:33:27,118 --> 00:33:29,398
Speaker 3: person with own eyeballs on the field and smell them,

713
00:33:29,398 --> 00:33:31,198
Speaker 3: taste and feel them all that kind of stuff, it's

714
00:33:31,238 --> 00:33:33,798
Speaker 3: hard to ascertain a lot of stuff just watching TV

715
00:33:33,918 --> 00:33:36,638
Speaker 3: or reading anything. So that would be it. If in

716
00:33:36,678 --> 00:33:39,118
Speaker 3: fact there are that all of that, and it wasn't

717
00:33:39,158 --> 00:33:42,638
Speaker 3: just things just happened to fall in place briefly, then

718
00:33:42,838 --> 00:33:44,918
Speaker 3: one or two guys would make all the difference in

719
00:33:44,918 --> 00:33:47,838
Speaker 3: the world. And a guy like Goldsmith is that kind

720
00:33:47,878 --> 00:33:50,638
Speaker 3: of guy. It's a great name and it makes all

721
00:33:50,678 --> 00:33:51,478
Speaker 3: the sense in the world.

722
00:33:51,798 --> 00:33:53,798
Speaker 2: Well, Joe, there was other big news from the meetings.

723
00:33:53,798 --> 00:33:58,438
Speaker 2: On Sunday night, the Classic Baseball Committee had their balloting

724
00:33:58,438 --> 00:34:01,518
Speaker 2: their vote on the next Hall of Famers class of

725
00:34:01,598 --> 00:34:03,918
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, and I'm sure Joe, when you heard

726
00:34:04,038 --> 00:34:06,398
Speaker 2: the results there was a smile on your face. We

727
00:34:06,478 --> 00:34:09,518
Speaker 2: will talk about the newest Hall of Famers going at

728
00:34:09,558 --> 00:34:24,478
Speaker 2: the Cooperstown right after this. Well, Joe, we had talked

729
00:34:24,558 --> 00:34:27,478
Speaker 2: last week before this vote by the Classic Era Baseball

730
00:34:27,478 --> 00:34:31,598
Speaker 2: Committee about you know, is it possible that two players

731
00:34:31,678 --> 00:34:33,838
Speaker 2: might squeeze through this vote? It's hard to do. You

732
00:34:33,918 --> 00:34:35,958
Speaker 2: need twelve of the sixteen people to vote for you,

733
00:34:36,558 --> 00:34:41,318
Speaker 2: and sure enough, Dick Allen and Dave Parker, congratulations, they

734
00:34:41,398 --> 00:34:43,878
Speaker 2: are Hall of famers. When you heard that news, Joe,

735
00:34:43,918 --> 00:34:44,478
Speaker 2: what'd you think?

736
00:34:45,118 --> 00:34:47,798
Speaker 3: I absolutely smiled when I read that. You know, of

737
00:34:47,838 --> 00:34:51,078
Speaker 3: course Dick Allen's not around right now, but David is

738
00:34:51,318 --> 00:34:53,318
Speaker 3: could not have been happier for both of these guys.

739
00:34:54,358 --> 00:34:56,758
Speaker 3: I guess I've mentioned it the last time. I just

740
00:34:56,798 --> 00:34:58,918
Speaker 3: sat and spoke with Dick Allen one time in the

741
00:34:58,998 --> 00:35:02,798
Speaker 3: Quad City's Johnny O'Donnell Field right beyond home plate, prior

742
00:35:02,838 --> 00:35:05,478
Speaker 3: to batting practice, for about an hour about hitting. And

743
00:35:05,518 --> 00:35:07,118
Speaker 3: that's all I needed. That's all I ever wanted with

744
00:35:07,158 --> 00:35:08,758
Speaker 3: Dick Allen was just to talk hitting with him, and

745
00:35:08,798 --> 00:35:12,918
Speaker 3: I did. And David Parker one of my favorite teammate

746
00:35:12,958 --> 00:35:15,478
Speaker 3: coaches I've ever had, and I'm not even talking about

747
00:35:15,478 --> 00:35:18,398
Speaker 3: his playing career. It's a wonderful human being. So I

748
00:35:18,398 --> 00:35:20,918
Speaker 3: could not have been happier. It's a good thing. It's accurate.

749
00:35:20,958 --> 00:35:23,798
Speaker 3: It should be that way. So I'm very pleased. I

750
00:35:23,838 --> 00:35:27,198
Speaker 3: was kind of upset that TJ didn't quite make it.

751
00:35:27,238 --> 00:35:29,038
Speaker 3: I guess right, Tommy came close.

752
00:35:29,598 --> 00:35:32,318
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got seven votes, so he was in third place,

753
00:35:32,398 --> 00:35:33,998
Speaker 2: need twelve five votes short.

754
00:35:34,318 --> 00:35:36,878
Speaker 3: Okay, so that would have been the trifecta I was

755
00:35:36,918 --> 00:35:39,598
Speaker 3: looking for right there. But I'll take it with Dick

756
00:35:39,638 --> 00:35:42,678
Speaker 3: and David getting and they both deserve it. They were

757
00:35:42,678 --> 00:35:47,158
Speaker 3: both great baseball players, intimidating, intimidating people man in the

758
00:35:47,198 --> 00:35:49,598
Speaker 3: best of ways, because I was very approachable on top

759
00:35:49,638 --> 00:35:52,558
Speaker 3: of that. So I'm very happy, very happy for them.

760
00:35:52,638 --> 00:35:56,638
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really cool that they will be inducted together too.

761
00:35:56,678 --> 00:35:59,558
Speaker 2: There's so many similarities with Dick Allen and Dave Parker.

762
00:35:59,598 --> 00:36:02,758
Speaker 2: First of all, both won MVPs. Both of them, at

763
00:36:02,758 --> 00:36:05,118
Speaker 2: one point in their career Joe were actually the highest

764
00:36:05,118 --> 00:36:07,838
Speaker 2: paid players in the game. Both of them really found

765
00:36:07,878 --> 00:36:11,438
Speaker 2: the right manager in Chuck Tanner. Chuck Tanner brought out

766
00:36:11,478 --> 00:36:14,198
Speaker 2: the best of them. Chuck Tanner had Dick Allen with

767
00:36:14,238 --> 00:36:17,158
Speaker 2: the White Sox of course, State Parker with the Pirates.

768
00:36:17,398 --> 00:36:20,318
Speaker 2: And you think about what they each went through, just

769
00:36:20,358 --> 00:36:23,438
Speaker 2: the racism, whether Obertley or Cobertley, that they had to

770
00:36:23,478 --> 00:36:26,558
Speaker 2: deal with and adore I thinking Dick Allen at the

771
00:36:26,598 --> 00:36:30,038
Speaker 2: age of twenty one, the Phillies send him to Little Rock,

772
00:36:30,198 --> 00:36:33,798
Speaker 2: Arkansas Triple A ball in nineteen sixty three. Little Rock

773
00:36:33,878 --> 00:36:39,158
Speaker 2: had never had integrated baseball before Dick Allen integrated professional baseball.

774
00:36:39,238 --> 00:36:43,318
Speaker 2: In Little Rock, Arkansas opening day nineteen sixty three, there's

775
00:36:43,358 --> 00:36:47,838
Speaker 2: white supremacist groups outside the ballpark picketing him, issuing death threats.

776
00:36:47,878 --> 00:36:49,758
Speaker 2: This is a twenty one old kid trying to play

777
00:36:49,758 --> 00:36:52,558
Speaker 2: baseball from Western Pa. And then he goes to Philadelphia.

778
00:36:52,598 --> 00:36:54,558
Speaker 2: Actually made it to the big leagues late that year,

779
00:36:54,598 --> 00:36:58,398
Speaker 2: first full year with sixty four Philadelphia. Joe, I'm sorry.

780
00:36:58,478 --> 00:37:00,438
Speaker 2: That was not a kind place to be back in

781
00:37:00,478 --> 00:37:03,398
Speaker 2: the day. The Phillies actually were the last National League

782
00:37:03,478 --> 00:37:08,238
Speaker 2: team to integrate. It took them ten years after Jackie

783
00:37:08,318 --> 00:37:12,758
Speaker 2: Robinson debuted to end their all white policy in Philadelphia

784
00:37:12,758 --> 00:37:16,238
Speaker 2: with the Phillies. So he heard it from his home fans.

785
00:37:16,278 --> 00:37:18,278
Speaker 2: The guy wound up wearing a batting helmet on the

786
00:37:18,278 --> 00:37:20,678
Speaker 2: field because people were throwing things at him. And of

787
00:37:20,718 --> 00:37:23,358
Speaker 2: course you think about Dave Parker in Pittsburgh. You know,

788
00:37:23,438 --> 00:37:26,678
Speaker 2: a battery being thrown at him nineteen seventy nine when

789
00:37:26,678 --> 00:37:29,238
Speaker 2: he signed his big deal. And this is the early

790
00:37:29,358 --> 00:37:31,558
Speaker 2: days of free agency, the first three four years of

791
00:37:31,598 --> 00:37:33,958
Speaker 2: free agency. The money is starting to escalate, and so

792
00:37:34,198 --> 00:37:35,678
Speaker 2: is resentment from fans.

793
00:37:35,878 --> 00:37:36,038
Speaker 3: Right.

794
00:37:36,278 --> 00:37:38,678
Speaker 2: You know this, the more money players are making, the

795
00:37:38,718 --> 00:37:41,758
Speaker 2: more upset fans were getting, and the more they expected

796
00:37:41,798 --> 00:37:44,718
Speaker 2: the guys who made big money. So Parker's the MVP.

797
00:37:44,918 --> 00:37:47,278
Speaker 2: He signs a five year deal for just under a

798
00:37:47,318 --> 00:37:49,998
Speaker 2: million a year, and you know any o for four

799
00:37:50,118 --> 00:37:52,158
Speaker 2: is going to bring out the boobirds and worse. People

800
00:37:52,198 --> 00:37:54,918
Speaker 2: were throwing things at him. His car was vandalized, his

801
00:37:54,998 --> 00:37:58,238
Speaker 2: house three times was broken into. He was getting racist

802
00:37:58,238 --> 00:38:00,998
Speaker 2: mail all the time. These guys endured a lot, and

803
00:38:01,318 --> 00:38:03,918
Speaker 2: you know suffered either quietly or sometimes with Dave Parker

804
00:38:04,118 --> 00:38:07,758
Speaker 2: not so quietly. So I'm happy that they're going in together, Joe,

805
00:38:07,798 --> 00:38:10,478
Speaker 2: and that a generation of fans, if not more than one,

806
00:38:11,038 --> 00:38:15,478
Speaker 2: will now understand, hopefully read about their stories and understand

807
00:38:15,558 --> 00:38:19,438
Speaker 2: what they went through on this really long long road

808
00:38:19,478 --> 00:38:20,198
Speaker 2: to Cooperstown.

809
00:38:20,598 --> 00:38:23,358
Speaker 3: That it's unconscientable to think with Dick Allen went through

810
00:38:23,598 --> 00:38:26,638
Speaker 3: in Arkansas. I mean, I think I mentioned to you

811
00:38:26,678 --> 00:38:29,638
Speaker 3: I've had some tribulations there as a young manager with

812
00:38:29,678 --> 00:38:32,518
Speaker 3: the Midland Angels with several black players on my team

813
00:38:32,558 --> 00:38:34,038
Speaker 3: in the mid eighties. Not good.

814
00:38:34,438 --> 00:38:37,038
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean listen, on opening a day there, the

815
00:38:37,078 --> 00:38:39,798
Speaker 2: Governor Faubus threw out the first pitch. That's the same

816
00:38:39,878 --> 00:38:42,358
Speaker 2: do called out the National Guard to bar blacks from

817
00:38:42,478 --> 00:38:43,758
Speaker 2: entering Little Rock High School.

818
00:38:44,038 --> 00:38:47,118
Speaker 3: Yeah. I had at a real at almost a physical

819
00:38:47,198 --> 00:38:49,238
Speaker 3: running with the GM there at that time, based on

820
00:38:50,238 --> 00:38:52,598
Speaker 3: how my guys are being treated as well as there's

821
00:38:52,718 --> 00:38:55,438
Speaker 3: just some of the tactics they pulled. It was. It's

822
00:38:55,478 --> 00:38:57,398
Speaker 3: tough and this I'm just you know, I can't even

823
00:38:57,398 --> 00:38:59,558
Speaker 3: imagine what he went through at the time he went

824
00:38:59,598 --> 00:39:02,238
Speaker 3: through that city at the age of twenty one. How

825
00:39:02,278 --> 00:39:04,558
Speaker 3: do you how do you keep your head together? Where

826
00:39:04,558 --> 00:39:08,758
Speaker 3: do you go to for support or solace or understanding

827
00:39:08,758 --> 00:39:11,038
Speaker 3: what's happening here? Because somebody please explain this to me.

828
00:39:11,718 --> 00:39:15,438
Speaker 3: And to have death threats and have marches outside the ballpark,

829
00:39:15,638 --> 00:39:17,438
Speaker 3: that's got to scar you for life. It has to.

830
00:39:17,638 --> 00:39:19,918
Speaker 3: It has to, regardless of how tough you are, that

831
00:39:20,038 --> 00:39:23,838
Speaker 3: has to remain. You have to lose trust to trust easily.

832
00:39:23,878 --> 00:39:26,558
Speaker 3: He's got to go away and you have to somehow

833
00:39:26,598 --> 00:39:30,038
Speaker 3: regain that ability to trust after you've been attacked for

834
00:39:30,198 --> 00:39:33,078
Speaker 3: just showing up to play baseball. Unbelievable. I didn't know

835
00:39:33,158 --> 00:39:35,398
Speaker 3: Richie as well, Dick Allen as well, but I think

836
00:39:35,398 --> 00:39:38,758
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody was as equipped as Dave Parker

837
00:39:39,478 --> 00:39:42,238
Speaker 3: is to handle adversity, and especially when it comes to

838
00:39:42,318 --> 00:39:45,838
Speaker 3: verbal adversity. The guy is really sharp. He's got a

839
00:39:45,918 --> 00:39:50,558
Speaker 3: quick mind. He sees things clearly, could see through people

840
00:39:50,678 --> 00:39:54,118
Speaker 3: very easily. So of course it bothered him. But I know,

841
00:39:54,918 --> 00:39:59,438
Speaker 3: big man, strong man, he could handle that kind of controversy,

842
00:39:59,798 --> 00:40:02,878
Speaker 3: not easily, but really well because he's just built that way.

843
00:40:02,918 --> 00:40:06,598
Speaker 3: I was always so impress just with his personality and

844
00:40:07,198 --> 00:40:09,718
Speaker 3: the charisma that he demonstrated. He was just Dave was

845
00:40:09,758 --> 00:40:13,758
Speaker 3: just different in all the best ways. So, not having

846
00:40:13,798 --> 00:40:16,438
Speaker 3: been there, hearing with your recap, I could see David

847
00:40:16,438 --> 00:40:20,318
Speaker 3: handling that last point. Chuck Tanner being involved with both

848
00:40:20,318 --> 00:40:22,958
Speaker 3: of these guys. I knew Chuck. Actually, I won his

849
00:40:22,998 --> 00:40:25,598
Speaker 3: award one year for Manager of the Year from the

850
00:40:25,638 --> 00:40:29,638
Speaker 3: Chuck Tanner Award. I still have that probably displayed in Pennsylvania.

851
00:40:30,038 --> 00:40:33,398
Speaker 3: He had managed. He managed at Quad City, Iowa when

852
00:40:33,438 --> 00:40:36,718
Speaker 3: I was before. I had played there and we had

853
00:40:36,718 --> 00:40:39,278
Speaker 3: some common friends there, the Wolf family Dorothy Wolf and

854
00:40:39,318 --> 00:40:42,518
Speaker 3: Frank her husband, real supporters of the team, and all

855
00:40:42,518 --> 00:40:45,158
Speaker 3: they would talk about was Chuck Tanner and how great

856
00:40:45,198 --> 00:40:48,318
Speaker 3: he was and how wonderfully was around the group, and

857
00:40:48,358 --> 00:40:51,478
Speaker 3: how much the city loved them. There Chuck Tanner absolute

858
00:40:51,838 --> 00:40:56,278
Speaker 3: gem of a man, optimistic, positive that embodied the best

859
00:40:56,318 --> 00:40:59,798
Speaker 3: possible concepts as which you want, and a manager man

860
00:41:00,678 --> 00:41:02,678
Speaker 3: but then tough when he needed to be. It's not

861
00:41:02,718 --> 00:41:04,878
Speaker 3: like he was a pushover. I had to chat it

862
00:41:04,918 --> 00:41:06,638
Speaker 3: with him on the phone after I won the award,

863
00:41:06,798 --> 00:41:09,278
Speaker 3: and a god, he was great. He was so nice

864
00:41:09,278 --> 00:41:10,918
Speaker 3: to me. He didn't know me, he didn't have to be,

865
00:41:10,998 --> 00:41:14,118
Speaker 3: but he was so. Yeah, I think there's I could

866
00:41:14,158 --> 00:41:18,078
Speaker 3: understand why both of those guys flourished under Tanner, because

867
00:41:18,478 --> 00:41:21,438
Speaker 3: it's a man that would have listened easily but also

868
00:41:21,478 --> 00:41:24,638
Speaker 3: gave him the truth and return, which is a great, great,

869
00:41:24,718 --> 00:41:25,318
Speaker 3: great way to be.

870
00:41:26,078 --> 00:41:29,318
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's underrated historically. Chuck Tanner, great manager.

871
00:41:29,598 --> 00:41:31,398
Speaker 2: And you make a good point, Joe, that you know

872
00:41:31,438 --> 00:41:35,078
Speaker 2: Dick Allen and Dave Parker were wired differently to handle

873
00:41:35,198 --> 00:41:38,238
Speaker 2: what was thrown at them. Dick Allen seemed like more

874
00:41:38,358 --> 00:41:40,838
Speaker 2: of a loaner. If you will, you know he did

875
00:41:40,878 --> 00:41:43,838
Speaker 2: bounce around the five six different teams got traded a lot.

876
00:41:44,398 --> 00:41:46,558
Speaker 2: That happened to Dave Parker later in his career because

877
00:41:46,558 --> 00:41:48,998
Speaker 2: everybody wanted Dave Parker because he could still hit, and

878
00:41:49,078 --> 00:41:52,678
Speaker 2: he was a consensus builder. He was a guy you

879
00:41:52,678 --> 00:41:54,798
Speaker 2: wanted in the clubhouse. He was a glue guy. There's

880
00:41:54,838 --> 00:41:57,918
Speaker 2: no question about it. Funny funny man. I'll give you

881
00:41:57,918 --> 00:42:00,518
Speaker 2: a quick line from Dave Parker. I guess he had

882
00:42:00,558 --> 00:42:02,838
Speaker 2: some kind of rivalry going with Bill Lee, you know,

883
00:42:02,878 --> 00:42:06,158
Speaker 2: the flaky left handed for the Montreal Expos. They a

884
00:42:06,198 --> 00:42:08,638
Speaker 2: lot of give and take. But somebody mentioned to Parker

885
00:42:08,638 --> 00:42:10,518
Speaker 2: that they might be seeing Bill Lee in this big

886
00:42:10,558 --> 00:42:13,478
Speaker 2: game coming up, that the Expos might have Lee lined

887
00:42:13,518 --> 00:42:16,238
Speaker 2: up to pitch against the Pirates. And Dave Parker said,

888
00:42:16,398 --> 00:42:19,678
Speaker 2: Bill Lee, He said, Bill Lee pitching against us, That's

889
00:42:19,718 --> 00:42:22,678
Speaker 2: like somebody walking into a lions Den wearing a suit

890
00:42:22,718 --> 00:42:23,838
Speaker 2: made of Hamburger.

891
00:42:26,358 --> 00:42:29,278
Speaker 3: No, this is my funniest. Some of the funniest moments

892
00:42:29,278 --> 00:42:31,918
Speaker 3: with the Angels as a coach was getting on a

893
00:42:31,958 --> 00:42:35,478
Speaker 3: bus after a win and having Larry bo was sitting

894
00:42:35,518 --> 00:42:37,358
Speaker 3: up front, Dave Parker in the back of Mick, Bill

895
00:42:37,438 --> 00:42:40,918
Speaker 3: Maher in between somewhere, absolutely hysterical. I mean, these guys

896
00:42:40,998 --> 00:42:44,158
Speaker 3: could rip you apart, they could shred, they would shred,

897
00:42:44,198 --> 00:42:46,758
Speaker 3: They'd go back and forth the whole bus ride. And

898
00:42:46,958 --> 00:42:49,118
Speaker 3: I was always so I mean, Bo is the same way.

899
00:42:49,198 --> 00:42:52,198
Speaker 3: Bo has got a sharp intellect and sense of humor.

900
00:42:52,238 --> 00:42:55,318
Speaker 3: So I was fortunate enough to sit with Larry Boa,

901
00:42:55,678 --> 00:42:58,718
Speaker 3: David Parker, and Mick Bill Meher's one of the funniest

902
00:42:58,758 --> 00:43:00,598
Speaker 3: guys in history of Major League Baseball was the bench

903
00:43:00,638 --> 00:43:03,278
Speaker 3: coach for Charlie Manuel with the Phillies. At one point

904
00:43:03,398 --> 00:43:05,478
Speaker 3: he goes back to the Angel minor league day. So

905
00:43:05,638 --> 00:43:08,438
Speaker 3: those are the kind of things remember, and those are

906
00:43:08,438 --> 00:43:10,438
Speaker 3: the kind of things that really when you think of

907
00:43:10,478 --> 00:43:12,758
Speaker 3: your time in Major League Baseball and minor league baseball

908
00:43:12,798 --> 00:43:16,358
Speaker 3: or professional baseball in general, people like that that. Really

909
00:43:17,118 --> 00:43:21,238
Speaker 3: they're not afraid, man, They're not afraid. They're courageous, they're fearless,

910
00:43:22,318 --> 00:43:25,438
Speaker 3: they have thick skin, and the sense of humor is

911
00:43:25,518 --> 00:43:26,718
Speaker 3: absolutely cutting.

912
00:43:26,758 --> 00:43:31,278
Speaker 2: It's great, absolutely great stuff. And congratulations to the family

913
00:43:31,318 --> 00:43:34,518
Speaker 2: of Dick Allen, so well deserved. I know they've waited

914
00:43:34,638 --> 00:43:36,718
Speaker 2: such a long time. It was so cool to see

915
00:43:36,718 --> 00:43:39,478
Speaker 2: because you know, Joe, when we have Hall of fame

916
00:43:39,558 --> 00:43:42,878
Speaker 2: voting on the Baseball Writer's ballot and the way people

917
00:43:42,998 --> 00:43:47,678
Speaker 2: reveal their votes before the ballot is actually announced. The

918
00:43:47,678 --> 00:43:50,758
Speaker 2: results are announced, we pretty much know where it's going, right,

919
00:43:51,118 --> 00:43:54,358
Speaker 2: So a lot of times there's no surprise in the announcement.

920
00:43:54,598 --> 00:43:56,558
Speaker 2: For instance, each year Row is on the ballot, next

921
00:43:56,638 --> 00:43:58,918
Speaker 2: year Cec Sabathia is on the ballot, We're going to

922
00:43:59,038 --> 00:44:02,318
Speaker 2: know pretty much where they stand before the announcement's even made.

923
00:44:02,438 --> 00:44:06,158
Speaker 2: But with these committees is a surprise. And you saw,

924
00:44:06,198 --> 00:44:08,118
Speaker 2: if you caught any of it, some video that Alan

925
00:44:08,198 --> 00:44:11,478
Speaker 2: family reacting to it. I mean, it's just joyous. I mean,

926
00:44:11,518 --> 00:44:13,878
Speaker 2: you feel so happy for these people with such a

927
00:44:13,918 --> 00:44:15,758
Speaker 2: long time. The only wish it happened while Dick was

928
00:44:15,798 --> 00:44:19,038
Speaker 2: still with us. But it's such a momentous occasion and

929
00:44:19,158 --> 00:44:21,718
Speaker 2: I'm glad that both of their stories now can be told.

930
00:44:21,998 --> 00:44:24,678
Speaker 2: And can't wait for next summer for the inductions.

931
00:44:24,878 --> 00:44:27,438
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got to run down that video of the

932
00:44:27,478 --> 00:44:30,118
Speaker 3: Allen family reacting. Is there anything with David Parker?

933
00:44:30,278 --> 00:44:32,678
Speaker 2: Was there any kind of David did speak with us

934
00:44:32,718 --> 00:44:35,278
Speaker 2: on an MLB network. Of course, David, it's been battling

935
00:44:35,318 --> 00:44:39,118
Speaker 2: Parkinson's now for oh gosh, I'm sure it's probably almost

936
00:44:39,158 --> 00:44:42,038
Speaker 2: on a decade now. You know, he looked good as

937
00:44:42,118 --> 00:44:44,758
Speaker 2: you can in the situation that he's been in. There

938
00:44:44,798 --> 00:44:46,438
Speaker 2: was a smile on his face. You could see the

939
00:44:46,478 --> 00:44:50,158
Speaker 2: joy in his face. And it's a great story and

940
00:44:50,198 --> 00:44:52,278
Speaker 2: that you know, he's a fighter. You know that, Joe.

941
00:44:52,678 --> 00:44:54,918
Speaker 2: It's a terrible thing for anybody to go through, but

942
00:44:55,118 --> 00:44:57,878
Speaker 2: the heart, the spirit, that's all there. It's Dave Parker.

943
00:44:58,118 --> 00:44:59,718
Speaker 3: I'm going to try to get in touch with him somehow.

944
00:44:59,718 --> 00:45:01,918
Speaker 3: I'm going to run down that video for sure. Dick

945
00:45:01,958 --> 00:45:04,998
Speaker 3: out is such a big part of my childhood being

946
00:45:04,998 --> 00:45:07,038
Speaker 3: he was like one of my favorite hitters. That the

947
00:45:07,078 --> 00:45:09,318
Speaker 3: way he started the bat, the heavy bat that he used.

948
00:45:09,918 --> 00:45:11,678
Speaker 3: I think I mentioned I saw him hit a line

949
00:45:11,758 --> 00:45:14,278
Speaker 3: he struck Carlton struck him out a couple times, or

950
00:45:14,718 --> 00:45:17,598
Speaker 3: Cardinals and the Phillies at Conniemac first couple of times

951
00:45:17,638 --> 00:45:21,118
Speaker 3: up and then he hit an absolute rocket that I

952
00:45:21,438 --> 00:45:23,038
Speaker 3: swear to God. I mean, you hear these stories that

953
00:45:23,118 --> 00:45:25,078
Speaker 3: the second baseman could have jumped up and copt it

954
00:45:25,478 --> 00:45:27,958
Speaker 3: eventually hit the scoreboard and right center. It just hits

955
00:45:27,998 --> 00:45:31,318
Speaker 3: so hard. And then I've seen him Nelson Brown's knock

956
00:45:31,358 --> 00:45:33,598
Speaker 3: him on his butt and then he hits the ball

957
00:45:33,718 --> 00:45:36,438
Speaker 3: dead center in Connie Maac. He was four forty seven

958
00:45:36,478 --> 00:45:37,718
Speaker 3: to the wall. And then he used to store the

959
00:45:38,558 --> 00:45:41,158
Speaker 3: batting tunnel behind that, and then there was a little

960
00:45:41,158 --> 00:45:43,278
Speaker 3: bit of a wall up there and then the street

961
00:45:43,838 --> 00:45:45,438
Speaker 3: and he just went all the way out there. After

962
00:45:45,438 --> 00:45:47,678
Speaker 3: he gets knocked down, he gets stands up and he

963
00:45:47,718 --> 00:45:51,678
Speaker 3: does that. Just the different things that he did. I mean,

964
00:45:51,678 --> 00:45:54,918
Speaker 3: I was an impressionable young guy at that point. You know,

965
00:45:54,958 --> 00:45:57,118
Speaker 3: the stuff that he wrote on the dirt. I didn't

966
00:45:57,158 --> 00:45:59,318
Speaker 3: really understand that. I never really held it against him.

967
00:45:59,318 --> 00:46:01,078
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't know. I didn't know what was

968
00:46:01,118 --> 00:46:03,838
Speaker 3: going on. I wasn't that politically or self aware at

969
00:46:03,838 --> 00:46:06,518
Speaker 3: that point. But I did know that I love the

970
00:46:06,518 --> 00:46:08,718
Speaker 3: way this man started a bat and I love the

971
00:46:08,718 --> 00:46:11,318
Speaker 3: way the ball came off of it. And I just

972
00:46:11,318 --> 00:46:14,598
Speaker 3: thought he was very athletic. And he's from up in

973
00:46:14,638 --> 00:46:17,238
Speaker 3: Pennsylvania on top of that, so I could not be

974
00:46:17,278 --> 00:46:18,838
Speaker 3: happy for him and his family as well as like

975
00:46:18,838 --> 00:46:20,878
Speaker 3: I said, I'm gonna try to get in touch with David. Yeah.

976
00:46:20,878 --> 00:46:22,958
Speaker 2: It reminds me of the great line from Willie Stargel

977
00:46:22,998 --> 00:46:25,038
Speaker 2: about Dick Allen because you're right. I mean I think

978
00:46:25,038 --> 00:46:26,918
Speaker 2: he once he hit a ball completely out of Connie

979
00:46:26,918 --> 00:46:30,158
Speaker 2: Back Stadium. He said, Dick, I know why they blew

980
00:46:30,198 --> 00:46:33,038
Speaker 2: you here in Philadelphia because when you hit home runs,

981
00:46:33,038 --> 00:46:35,278
Speaker 2: they're so far there's no souvenir.

982
00:46:38,038 --> 00:46:40,358
Speaker 3: Yeah, these guys are the best, man, they're the best.

983
00:46:40,678 --> 00:46:44,438
Speaker 2: Speaking of great lines, Joe, you always our episodes with

984
00:46:44,558 --> 00:46:47,078
Speaker 2: a great line of words of wisdom. What do you

985
00:46:47,118 --> 00:46:48,278
Speaker 2: got today for us?

986
00:46:48,558 --> 00:46:51,718
Speaker 3: Well, I again, it's I'm getting so conflicted. I just

987
00:46:51,758 --> 00:46:53,958
Speaker 3: can't get down to one thing. Because we touched on

988
00:46:54,038 --> 00:46:57,478
Speaker 3: it earlier, the all the eggs in one basket theory,

989
00:46:58,198 --> 00:47:00,998
Speaker 3: So I had I had a research both, I would

990
00:47:01,038 --> 00:47:03,838
Speaker 3: be the one that did not necessarily want to put

991
00:47:03,958 --> 00:47:05,798
Speaker 3: all my eggs in one basket. I think I don't

992
00:47:05,798 --> 00:47:08,278
Speaker 3: know why might of that. I've always been one to

993
00:47:08,678 --> 00:47:11,958
Speaker 3: create other plans, But one good one comes from Mark Twain,

994
00:47:11,998 --> 00:47:14,238
Speaker 3: and I think he influenced others to say somewhat of

995
00:47:14,278 --> 00:47:17,078
Speaker 3: the same thing. And this comes from putt inhead Wilson calendar.

996
00:47:17,798 --> 00:47:19,998
Speaker 3: And I'll try to read it like he had wrote it.

997
00:47:20,918 --> 00:47:23,998
Speaker 3: Behold the food full say it put not all thine

998
00:47:24,078 --> 00:47:27,678
Speaker 3: eggs in one basket, which is but a matter of saying,

999
00:47:27,758 --> 00:47:30,798
Speaker 3: scatter your money and your attention. But the wise man

1000
00:47:30,878 --> 00:47:33,958
Speaker 3: say it, pull all your eggs in the one basket

1001
00:47:34,118 --> 00:47:39,638
Speaker 3: and watch that basket. So and under these circumstances, mister

1002
00:47:39,718 --> 00:47:42,758
Speaker 3: Cohne's gonna have to watch that basket. And then and

1003
00:47:42,798 --> 00:47:46,598
Speaker 3: then you got a guy like Elon Musk. We all

1004
00:47:46,638 --> 00:47:48,598
Speaker 3: know who he is. It's okay to have your eggs

1005
00:47:48,598 --> 00:47:51,718
Speaker 3: in one basket as long as you control what happens.

1006
00:47:51,758 --> 00:47:54,518
Speaker 3: And that's that's you know, the the health issues and

1007
00:47:54,558 --> 00:47:59,278
Speaker 3: everything else that may occur with a young player like that.

1008
00:47:59,558 --> 00:48:02,238
Speaker 3: So I guess I'm somewhere in between these guys. There's

1009
00:48:02,278 --> 00:48:05,398
Speaker 3: others really good, but it's it seems like history is

1010
00:48:05,398 --> 00:48:08,678
Speaker 3: conflicted on whether to put your a's in one basket

1011
00:48:08,758 --> 00:48:11,958
Speaker 3: or not. It's a personal philosophy. It sounds like I

1012
00:48:11,998 --> 00:48:15,078
Speaker 3: love making sure that you watch your basket, as mister

1013
00:48:15,158 --> 00:48:18,398
Speaker 3: Twain said, But then if you really can't control the

1014
00:48:18,438 --> 00:48:21,478
Speaker 3: outcome of whatever you're putting in there, is it wise?

1015
00:48:22,078 --> 00:48:26,558
Speaker 3: And that's another component. So anyway, I thought that was interesting.

1016
00:48:26,598 --> 00:48:29,518
Speaker 3: Were we were all over that all morning. I sat

1017
00:48:29,598 --> 00:48:31,878
Speaker 3: this morning and thought about because I knew this was

1018
00:48:31,918 --> 00:48:33,478
Speaker 3: going to be part of the what you brought up

1019
00:48:33,558 --> 00:48:37,518
Speaker 3: was the mon Soto deal. And so that's why I

1020
00:48:37,678 --> 00:48:42,198
Speaker 3: fall under the category of liking almost like thank God

1021
00:48:42,598 --> 00:48:45,638
Speaker 3: for unanswered prayers kind of a thing. It could happen

1022
00:48:45,678 --> 00:48:48,718
Speaker 3: that the Yankees, if they stay aggressive and go get

1023
00:48:48,758 --> 00:48:51,638
Speaker 3: who they want, they may be eventually grateful that it

1024
00:48:51,678 --> 00:48:52,238
Speaker 3: didn't happen.

1025
00:48:52,478 --> 00:48:54,798
Speaker 2: Maybe the answer is to do both. You know, be

1026
00:48:54,838 --> 00:48:57,838
Speaker 2: worth twenty one billion dollars and if you see something

1027
00:48:57,878 --> 00:49:00,598
Speaker 2: by it and then go buy something else.

1028
00:49:00,478 --> 00:49:04,478
Speaker 3: Right, that doesn't preclude him from going after a bunch

1029
00:49:04,518 --> 00:49:06,958
Speaker 3: of these guys either. You know, still Alonzo's out there

1030
00:49:06,998 --> 00:49:08,918
Speaker 3: right now, and to keep reading that Stearns talking about

1031
00:49:08,918 --> 00:49:12,558
Speaker 3: getting Alonso back. But if he doesn't, then there's others

1032
00:49:12,558 --> 00:49:15,758
Speaker 3: like a Walker that's maybe become available to the Mets.

1033
00:49:15,758 --> 00:49:18,598
Speaker 3: Who knows. But when you go all in on a Sodo,

1034
00:49:19,838 --> 00:49:22,198
Speaker 3: you got to go all in everywhere else because they

1035
00:49:22,558 --> 00:49:24,478
Speaker 3: they got you know, Bianto's. I like Bianto's a lot.

1036
00:49:24,518 --> 00:49:27,878
Speaker 3: Of course, then door wonderful. But to me, there's there's

1037
00:49:27,878 --> 00:49:30,078
Speaker 3: some holes in that Outfiel. There's some nice players, but

1038
00:49:30,478 --> 00:49:32,278
Speaker 3: I don't know. The catcher did fine, but then he

1039
00:49:32,318 --> 00:49:36,358
Speaker 3: did okay, So there I would not be surprised if

1040
00:49:36,358 --> 00:49:40,238
Speaker 3: the Mets stay extremely active because they've lost some pitching too.

1041
00:49:40,238 --> 00:49:42,558
Speaker 3: They got to get they got to get really active

1042
00:49:42,558 --> 00:49:45,118
Speaker 3: with their pitching staff. So if you're going to sign Soto,

1043
00:49:45,278 --> 00:49:46,118
Speaker 3: you're not done.

1044
00:49:46,718 --> 00:49:49,118
Speaker 2: I agree one hundred percent. There is more to be

1045
00:49:49,158 --> 00:49:51,598
Speaker 2: heard from Steve Cohene and the New York Mets and

1046
00:49:51,718 --> 00:49:53,918
Speaker 2: from us. That's it for this edition, but we'll see

1047
00:49:53,918 --> 00:49:57,518
Speaker 2: you next time on the Book of Joe. Nice job, Joe,

1048
00:49:57,838 --> 00:50:03,878
Speaker 2: you too, Tommy, Thank you.

1049
00:50:06,318 --> 00:50:09,558
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1050
00:50:09,758 --> 00:50:14,758
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