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Speaker 1: Yes we are, Ladies and gentlemen. Let me let me
Speaker 1: attest that twenty twenty one is the Yeah, I'm declaring it.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one is the year of miracles. And I
Speaker 1: wanted this platform, this Quest Love Supreme platform, so that
Speaker 1: not you know, not only the people, for myself. I
Speaker 1: wanted to receive the holy scrolls of wisdom from the gods.
Speaker 1: And let me just say, be careful for what you
Speaker 1: ask for, because I will declare today on you know
Speaker 1: this recording, that my God is definitely a god of abundance,
Speaker 1: as this year is clearly shown, he has delivered to
Speaker 1: us today one of the most influential creatives in music,
Speaker 1: not a music god, not a veteran, not no, just
Speaker 1: absolutely one of the most unique influential creatives and music.
Speaker 1: And it's super super super rare that we get to
Speaker 1: speak to someone with with with over five decades of
Speaker 1: excellence under their belt, no exception. Ladies and gentlemen, please
Speaker 1: welcome to questlof Supreme the one and only Carlos Humberto
Speaker 1: Santana Card. Yes, exactly, how are you? I should also
Speaker 1: note a case I dig into the comments on on
Speaker 1: our various platforms, on YouTube and on I G and
Speaker 1: Twitter and whatnot, and I noticed that whenever we have
Speaker 1: an axe master or an axe god or just any
Speaker 1: other instrumental god that's not drum related, I don't go
Speaker 1: that deep into their craft. And I will admit that
Speaker 1: I am. I'm not that well versed in asking super
Speaker 1: deep questions in terms of guitarists. So that said, this
Speaker 1: is a rare Uh. Now we're we're a sixum once again.
Speaker 1: We have Laya with us, we have Fontigelow, we have
Speaker 1: Sugar Steve unpaid bill, and I decided last minute to
Speaker 1: ask my guitarist from the roots. Uh captain, I'm super
Speaker 1: cap here. Yeah. I wanted the captain here just so
Speaker 1: that I don't leave any stone unturned, because you know,
Speaker 1: when we have Pat and Fanny on the show, or
Speaker 1: even when we had Jack White Cats asked me like, well,
Speaker 1: how come you to ask him about like types of
Speaker 1: strings he used or that like sort of the jargon
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't know to ask. I wanted to make
Speaker 1: sure that you know we we satisfy you nerds. So
Speaker 1: that's that's all. So welcome. Also, Captain Kirk to the
Speaker 1: to the podcast. Okay, actually, Steve, do you want to
Speaker 1: start with your question first? Oh?
Speaker 3: Well, I narrowed down my thousand questions to two, but
Speaker 3: they don't really belong at the top of the interview.
Speaker 1: But if you want, I got Steve's real first question
Speaker 1: was hilarious to me. And no, we're not going to
Speaker 1: ask that. I will say that, Oh you me to
Speaker 1: do the joke. Let me try it. Let me try it.
Speaker 3: It's only a joke because your your career is so
Speaker 3: long and distinguished.
Speaker 1: That no, you don't have to explain it, I say it.
Speaker 4: So what was it like to work with Rob Thomas?
Speaker 1: Anyway? So time out for a new record.
Speaker 5: I'm on a new record that joint bang it.
Speaker 1: I know I know this, I know we love him.
Speaker 4: We're just it's just Santaich.
Speaker 1: That's that was our first thing. But we start, we
Speaker 1: start from the top. And actually normally I ask about
Speaker 1: your origins, but I always wanted to know this. The
Speaker 1: answer to this question. The first hour of your morning,
Speaker 1: what do you do?
Speaker 6: Oh well, it's so joy and honor to be here
Speaker 6: with all of you all in the first thing.
Speaker 7: That first thing that I do before my feet touched.
Speaker 6: The ground, I uh, I totally connect ignite gratitude because
Speaker 6: I understand completely that everything that I love about John Coltrane,
Speaker 6: people that I love, love, you know, with supreme and
Speaker 6: impeccable integrity. There's a there's there's grace and graces. It's
Speaker 6: like May Angela said, grace is all around us, but
Speaker 6: we're the one to have to get in it, you know.
Speaker 6: And so for me, you can access and utilize grace,
Speaker 6: which with grace you can create miracles and blessings and
Speaker 6: do the impossible.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 7: I want to access grace every morning.
Speaker 6: So the first thing that I do, I make my
Speaker 6: mind in my heart be one thousand percent with gratitude.
Speaker 6: Thank you for my next breath, Thank you for my wife.
Speaker 6: You know, I love drummers so much. I'm married, Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 6: you know. But the main again, the main, main thing
Speaker 6: for me is those two components, grace and gratitude. With
Speaker 6: that you can actually create the impossible, you know, you
Speaker 6: can make the ambusiness will tangible, you know. And so
Speaker 6: once you understand that what Shamans and people like Jesus
Speaker 6: and Shamans, they could create alchemy from wine, from white
Speaker 6: to from water to wine.
Speaker 7: Well, the alchemy that we musicians.
Speaker 6: You know, we make people happy because most people are
Speaker 6: not happy unless they're miserable. And so we rescue people
Speaker 6: from themselves by sound, rest and as vibration, a melody
Speaker 6: and a rhythm. It makes people believe that they also
Speaker 6: are worthy to receive directly from God, you know, so
Speaker 6: we get rid of the wretched sinner stuff. You get
Speaker 6: rid of that that you know, unworthy of God's grace.
Speaker 6: We get rid of that. You know, when we're playing
Speaker 6: music and we invite people to claim your divinity, it's
Speaker 6: not arrogant, it's not cynical.
Speaker 7: It's imperative that you.
Speaker 6: Claim your divinity so you can get close to John
Speaker 6: Coltrane and and Herbie and the genius genius genius.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because that's what they did.
Speaker 1: I knew that was the answer, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: give y'all a preview of what I'm going to be
Speaker 1: like in about five years from now.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, that's goals.
Speaker 1: No, you know what, because especially the period after the
Speaker 1: period after the third alt the third record, especially starting
Speaker 1: with with like the caravans Hurai the album. I don't know.
Speaker 1: For me, I felt the need to ask you that
Speaker 1: only because because there's such a spiritual element to those runs,
Speaker 1: that run of records between seventy two and seventy eight
Speaker 1: that you know, I felt my heart that you know,
Speaker 1: you're more closer to to I should have introduced you
Speaker 1: as a shaman more than just a musician or or
Speaker 1: that sort of thing.
Speaker 8: Because in that gratitude, what does that look like, Carlos, Like,
Speaker 8: is that meditation?
Speaker 2: Is that just a moment just to sit?
Speaker 6: And what gratitude to me looks like where I live now?
Speaker 6: I mean I live in Las Vegas, but I also
Speaker 6: live in Kawhi, and gratitude is a rainbow talking to me.
Speaker 6: There's so many rainbows in Kawhi, and they're specifically the
Speaker 6: ones that are so loud they go.
Speaker 7: That they're hummed.
Speaker 6: This rainbows are so alive, they hum And I was
Speaker 6: watching one early early this year, and and like it
Speaker 6: tapped me on the shoulder, like turn around, and because
Speaker 6: I was turned around, like oh, and it's this, this
Speaker 6: rainbow as clear as I can see your face, and
Speaker 6: this rainbow goes you see me? And I said, yeah,
Speaker 6: I see you. He says, you know who I am?
Speaker 6: He says, yeah, you got and he goes, that's right.
Speaker 6: And you know what I says, what he says, I'm
Speaker 6: looking at you too. That's grace. That's grace, you know,
Speaker 6: because all of us need to be validated, you know,
Speaker 6: everyone in this planet needs to be validated and celebrated
Speaker 6: because God created this in his image, you know. So
Speaker 6: I'm very very grateful that you of for be this
Speaker 6: platform because the things that I love most in this planet,
Speaker 6: besides the connection with a supreme being, is spirituality, sensuality
Speaker 6: in African music, that's it, you know, because all three
Speaker 6: of them offer me adore to totality and.
Speaker 7: Completeness and infinity.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 7: You know when you play as solo.
Speaker 6: And gravity disappears and time disappears and you go into
Speaker 6: this zone the basketball players call it the zone, it's
Speaker 6: called grace, called grace. When you get into that grace
Speaker 6: and you you know, you don't even remember what you
Speaker 6: did after you played it. That's what real musicians got
Speaker 6: to turn the other musicians who be posing and captain
Speaker 6: and giving and shocking and giving. You know, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 6: look man, you can do better than that. Go deeper
Speaker 6: and access that thing that you're beyond time. When when
Speaker 6: every time you listen to a John Coltrane, I Love Supreme.
Speaker 6: I play this music and every hotel that I get into,
Speaker 6: why to clean whatever happened the night before? Why you know, yeah,
Speaker 6: whatever whatever happened, whatever they did, I put I Love
Speaker 6: Supreme a lot of some insense that I got from
Speaker 6: Alice Coltrane, and that room is mine when I go
Speaker 6: Sonic stage, Yeah, wow, purifies John culture and music is
Speaker 6: a If they would play this on CNN, the world
Speaker 6: would not be so infected with fear and separation.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 7: But but you know, here's.
Speaker 1: The thing, right, yeah, damn not not to totally all
Speaker 1: right this This platform was meant to like review someone's history,
Speaker 1: but I got to stay here for just a little
Speaker 1: bit longer, only because the reason why I was excited
Speaker 1: to talk to you is because, like I'm slowly starting
Speaker 1: my transformation into what they call doing the work, you know,
Speaker 1: like the pandemic forced us to do the work. And
Speaker 1: I was like in a really really dark place where
Speaker 1: I wasn't enjoying my creativity. I was squandering it. And
Speaker 1: it took not working last year for me to actually
Speaker 1: you know, like previously, if you if you were to
Speaker 1: say this to me in twenty eighteen, I would quickly
Speaker 1: be like on group chat with them, like Okay, what
Speaker 1: drug is he on?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 1: You know, like when people just think like ah, spiritual
Speaker 1: people were crazy whatever. But it's like I had I
Speaker 1: had a moment where you know, this is I'm just
Speaker 1: a year intwo this where everything that you're saying, I
Speaker 1: absolutely believe, Like you gotta wake up, you gotta wake
Speaker 1: up in gratitude, you gotta meditate in the morning. Things
Speaker 1: I used to laugh at. And you know, I tell
Speaker 1: people all the time like I'm literally morphing to the
Speaker 1: human being. I used to laugh at because for some reason,
Speaker 1: I you know, I guess you're when you're most Black
Speaker 1: people in America, especially like my generation, like church is
Speaker 1: more of like an oppressive religious organizy, Like they never
Speaker 1: teach spirituality. And I'm just learning that now, like at
Speaker 1: this stage of my life, the second stage in my life,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's really good. I'm I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: happy to get talked, to talk to a musician that
Speaker 1: basically uses their their their art for that because you know,
Speaker 1: you can clearly hear like I hear the work of
Speaker 1: Coltrane and and that spirituality in in your work. And
Speaker 1: you know, I always wanted to know, like how how
Speaker 1: to clive and especially like Walter Yett in a cough,
Speaker 1: how do they receive you? Because normally with with with uh,
Speaker 1: you know, other label heads, it's either like hamming my
Speaker 1: hits or you know, you get dropped from the label
Speaker 1: and you got to go elsewhere and whatnot. And yet
Speaker 1: like Columbia sat by you for the for the longest
Speaker 1: and so they and they let you find your spirituality.
Speaker 1: So I was always curious as to how how you
Speaker 1: were allowed to explore those things and not sort of
Speaker 1: succumbed to the pressure. I mean, there were occasional disco
Speaker 1: moments in seventy eight and whatnot. But you know, like,
Speaker 1: was it hard navigating the spirituality that you have and
Speaker 1: also you know, remaining a brand name musician in terms
Speaker 1: of being a product and being spiritual at the same time, It.
Speaker 6: Wasn't hard at all for me because I didn't used
Speaker 6: as I was a child that this is for me
Speaker 6: it's a way of life. It's not a profession. It's
Speaker 6: not a gig or a job. It's a way of life.
Speaker 6: We started with the Beatrolla, the records, the A track,
Speaker 6: the says, the CDs. You know, those to me are
Speaker 6: like faucets. It is the water. Music is the water,
Speaker 6: the living water. So Clyde Davis, Bill Graham and Clyde
Speaker 6: Davis when they met me, they realized that I wasn't pedestrian.
Speaker 6: I wasn't necessarily a destrian guy. And what do I
Speaker 6: mean by that, well, pedestrian guy kind of they settle
Speaker 6: for you dangle money and they kind of jump over
Speaker 6: like a little poodle, you jump over things. And they
Speaker 6: realize that was priceless. Me as committing career suicide. I'm
Speaker 6: going to go after John Coltrane, Weather Report, Miles Davis,
Speaker 6: and they said, but man, there's over the Miles Davis
Speaker 6: and Weather Report.
Speaker 7: Whatever.
Speaker 6: I know, but I need to learn something from them
Speaker 6: and teach the youngsters this because I can't just constantly
Speaker 6: keep doing or you came by and a bracxis in
Speaker 6: or supernatural or whatever you know. By the grace of
Speaker 6: God again, I'm able to reach the four corners of
Speaker 6: the world, in touch many people's hearts, and you know,
Speaker 6: like Tony Williams says, once you sell one record, you're
Speaker 6: commercial because you sold one record, you know. So I
Speaker 6: don't I don't look at like being commercial like a
Speaker 6: negative thing. I look at pretty much life the way
Speaker 6: the ones that I love and I adore, like Arthur Ash,
Speaker 6: Bruce Lee and Coltrane. People who Bruce Lee be like
Speaker 6: water and cloud and cloud and ocean, a lake, baptop.
Speaker 7: You know. So what does that mean.
Speaker 6: It means that you have the capacity to be a
Speaker 6: multidimensional spirit that can play anywhere with anyone in complement.
Speaker 6: So when I go to Africa, they know who I am.
Speaker 6: When I go to Ireland, they know who I am.
Speaker 6: When I go to Japan or New Zealand, they know
Speaker 6: who I am. And they know who I am because
Speaker 6: they play our music in their living room with grandma
Speaker 6: and Grandpa and the little kids.
Speaker 7: Man. You know, that's when you enter a whole other
Speaker 7: realm of like.
Speaker 6: Wow, I go to Paris and the gentleman who's helping
Speaker 6: us with the luggage and whatever, he says, Santana, I
Speaker 6: go Hi, he says, and then he points he says,
Speaker 6: he points out, Just tell me, he goes. My wife,
Speaker 6: Sophia a big partner. Sophia. You know she got pregnant.
Speaker 6: My wife got pregnant when we were listening to your album,
Speaker 6: you know, like some material, so you.
Speaker 7: Know, and I get that all over the world.
Speaker 6: So it means that your music resident sounds vibration is
Speaker 6: able to impregnate not only women, but men to believe
Speaker 6: that they can achieve beyond what religious books or institutions
Speaker 6: or governments tell them to do. You're, at the most
Speaker 6: you are a multi dimensional being. Let me say it
Speaker 6: really clearly like this, You cannot behave appropriately unless you
Speaker 6: perceive correctly.
Speaker 7: Once you perceive. A more time, you cannot behave appropriately
Speaker 7: unless you perceive correctly. Once you perceive. You are a
Speaker 7: beam of light that comes from the mind of God.
Speaker 7: You carry yourself differently.
Speaker 2: Where does all this come from?
Speaker 8: I mean, I know, at some point of Mayor you're
Speaker 8: gonna go, well, let's start at the beginning.
Speaker 2: But I am so shocking.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to start the interview yet, le
Speaker 1: Bret Sandtown to keep going. Where does this?
Speaker 2: Where did this light come from? What was it a day?
Speaker 8: Was it a moment like or was it a week,
Speaker 8: a month, a study?
Speaker 2: Where does it come from?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 2: What was the moment?
Speaker 7: From being thirsty?
Speaker 6: You know, I'm always thirsty for adventure and I'm not
Speaker 6: afraid of the unknown or unpredictability. I knew that I
Speaker 6: that my first band with the first three albums, we
Speaker 6: knew that it was fragmented, and some people want to
Speaker 6: do journeys, some people want to do something else and whatever,
Speaker 6: And so I started reading the Oranda book and listened
Speaker 6: to Coltrane only so so I listened to the Auranda book.
Speaker 6: Later on I got introduced to j who text books
Speaker 6: and I'll show you what they are, and also and
Speaker 6: also a course in miracles. All these books that are
Speaker 6: going to introduce you to they have what you call
Speaker 6: nowadays spiritual data and how to transform your monkeness and
Speaker 6: your donkeiness into an archangel energy knowing knowledge, because you know,
Speaker 6: sometimes we act like monkeys and donkeys, you know, which
Speaker 6: means you succumb to what people say. Well, you know,
Speaker 6: it's human nature. Yeah, but it doesn't have to be corny, cute,
Speaker 6: clever and predictable. I could be a human being and
Speaker 6: still say I'm going to play a melody that it's
Speaker 6: going to make people cry and laugh at the same time.
Speaker 6: Why because they are at a molecular level, they remember
Speaker 6: that they also have this gift in vie, a gift
Speaker 6: before we came out of the womb, imbued to create
Speaker 6: blessings and miracles. That's what music is about. The show business,
Speaker 6: their entertainment, and then there's music to really elevate, transform,
Speaker 6: and illumine the human consciousness of this planets. So we
Speaker 6: don't have the stuff that's been having for the last
Speaker 6: two years. Fear and separation and superiority and racism. All
Speaker 6: that stuff counts.
Speaker 7: For one word, fear. Fear.
Speaker 6: And that's why I play culture in all the time
Speaker 6: because as soon as I play I Love Supreme, fear
Speaker 6: disappears immediately in the room.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, now I gotta go into the first question.
Speaker 4: Okay, Now, will you tell us what it was like
Speaker 4: to work with Thomas?
Speaker 1: All right, can you tell me what was your first
Speaker 1: musical memory?
Speaker 6: My dad, my father, we were in a in a
Speaker 6: yard in the backyard in outlan Halisco, small little town,
Speaker 6: and it was like five o'clock in the afternoon. Everything
Speaker 6: kind of gives gold, you know, when the sound goes down.
Speaker 6: Everything looks golden. And my father he was over there
Speaker 6: teaching me how to read and one of me teaching
Speaker 6: me how to play the violin. So he happened, opened
Speaker 6: up the violin case, grab the violin, put it, put
Speaker 6: it up here like this, and then he goes meta,
Speaker 6: which means look meta.
Speaker 7: Then he went.
Speaker 6: And I'm like what And then a bird comes over.
Speaker 6: There's a little lands lanes on this street, and he
Speaker 6: was he goes, best, do you see? He goes as
Speaker 6: one more time.
Speaker 1: Bird.
Speaker 7: If you can talk to the birds, you can talk
Speaker 7: to people. Get it.
Speaker 1: And I was like, d.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. My daddy do that too.
Speaker 1: He talked the bird really yeah, wow, And.
Speaker 7: See why don't you talk to Charlie bird? That's bird parking.
Speaker 7: You're on a hale on the land.
Speaker 1: So your father was a violinist, yes, okay, okay? Oh?
Speaker 1: Also what what where were you born?
Speaker 7: I was born in outland Jalisco. It's a little town
Speaker 7: in between Gualalajada and Puerto Bayta. If you blink you
Speaker 7: missed it. Okay, It's very small.
Speaker 1: And how long how long did you stay there? Like
Speaker 1: what was your family situation? Like did you have brothers
Speaker 1: and sisters or was it a musical family.
Speaker 7: Yes, thank you for asking. From forty seven, where I
Speaker 7: was born.
Speaker 6: Till fifty five, we left because my mom was the
Speaker 6: one that would always say those obamas, which means we're
Speaker 6: out of here, you know, because my dad was already
Speaker 6: living in Tijuana and sending us money from from Tijuana,
Speaker 6: you know, because they got really hard to make a
Speaker 6: living and outline howlice go for my dad and feed
Speaker 6: four sisters and two brothers, and my mom and the
Speaker 6: lady who was working with us. So it was a
Speaker 6: lot of people to feed. And so my mom says,
Speaker 6: we're out of here.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: Your dad sent me some money to kind of like,
Speaker 6: you know, make up and console me because they haven't.
Speaker 7: Seen me for almost like a year.
Speaker 6: So he sent me some money for me to buy
Speaker 6: a stuff that we're living almost in the streets, you know.
Speaker 6: And so she goes, I'm gonna take this money. I'm
Speaker 6: going to give it to this guy that your dad knows.
Speaker 6: He works as a cab driver in the center of town.
Speaker 6: I'm going to give him half of that money and
Speaker 6: use that money the rest of your have to feed
Speaker 6: you guys. But we're going to Tijuana and we see you,
Speaker 6: We're going to see your dad. And if your dad
Speaker 6: don't want me or you guys, he have to tell us.
Speaker 6: I the eye in front of us.
Speaker 7: So my mom, my mom was like that, you know.
Speaker 7: So I was like, oh, so, so we.
Speaker 6: All got into one car, man and we took it
Speaker 6: like a week to get there. And you know, it's
Speaker 6: a long story, but but it's a story of this man.
Speaker 6: My story is my mother is pure conviction, a pure
Speaker 6: conviction woman, and my dad pure charisma. I mean, this dude, man,
Speaker 6: it was like people looked at him like he was
Speaker 6: like Clark Gable or something.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: Women, Oh the who said, you know, they just melt
Speaker 6: and stuff. So I got those two from my mom,
Speaker 6: charisma and conviction, and they gave me something that is
Speaker 6: very important for musicians to show up with, not arrogance,
Speaker 6: but confidence, like Miles Dave's confidence, you know, Tony Williams confidence.
Speaker 2: What happened though, Carlos when she got there, she wrote,
Speaker 2: she wrote up with confidence, but did she succeed eat
Speaker 2: and what she wanted?
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, she had to knock on the door where
Speaker 6: my dad had sent the address from this letter and
Speaker 6: it was three o'clock in the afternoon, and nobody would
Speaker 6: answer the door, and and so she so she knocked harder,
Speaker 6: and then this woman opened the door, you know, and yeah,
Speaker 6: and she was and so first before she answered the door,
Speaker 6: there was like a wineo darrel like in the streets.
Speaker 6: And she says to my mom, who are you looking for?
Speaker 6: He said, So, my mom described my dadd He goes, oh,
Speaker 6: he's inside. Knock again louder. So she knocked again, and the.
Speaker 7: Lady opened the door, and she started screaming at.
Speaker 6: My mom and cursing at her, and she was making
Speaker 6: such a rockets my dad all my dad came out.
Speaker 6: And first thing he looked at first thing, he looked
Speaker 6: at me. First thing he looked at west me and
Speaker 6: he was mesmer. He was like, and then he looked
Speaker 6: at my mom and the rest of us, like, what
Speaker 6: are you doing here?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: And his and his.
Speaker 7: Face looked like.
Speaker 6: The NBC peacock with all the colors in it.
Speaker 7: And my mom said, my mom.
Speaker 6: My mom was like, you know, she did her thing,
Speaker 6: and next thing, I know, he left that prostitute that
Speaker 6: he was staying with, and then she took us into
Speaker 6: this other place. And you know, it was the it
Speaker 6: was the worst part of Tijuana. It was the ghetto
Speaker 6: of the ghetto ghetto.
Speaker 7: You know, they didn't even have a roof yet, they
Speaker 7: were still building this house.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 7: I don't want to tell like like melancholy whatever, but
Speaker 7: you know, it is what it.
Speaker 6: Is, and all that stuff gave us conviction, you know,
Speaker 6: because there's you can only go up from here, you know.
Speaker 4: Do you ever go back to your original hometown.
Speaker 7: Yes.
Speaker 6: I went to Outland a couple of times, and I
Speaker 6: started the clinic, by the grace of God, a hospital clinic.
Speaker 6: We invested I don't know how many millions because I
Speaker 6: don't keep track of numbers and records.
Speaker 7: I don't know how many records I record. But anyway,
Speaker 7: we're able to have.
Speaker 1: What is it called.
Speaker 4: Foundation, Yes, it.
Speaker 6: Is a foundation, but it had a specific name, uh
Speaker 6: santwary other lose like a sanctuary or light, you know.
Speaker 6: And we had the latest and people from out Las
Speaker 6: Vegas in Seattle. They donated brand new ambulances and stuff.
Speaker 6: So this this this hotel, I mean, this hotel, this
Speaker 6: hospital is it's no joke.
Speaker 7: It's really really really state of the art, you know.
Speaker 6: That's but I told but I told him, I think
Speaker 6: I was doing that for fifteen twenty years with them,
Speaker 6: and I told them, you're like a teenager. Now I'm
Speaker 6: going to back off, and you need to pay your
Speaker 6: own now, because you can't depend on me. It's like
Speaker 6: when you tell your kids, man, you know, you need
Speaker 6: to pay your own rent and you pay the water
Speaker 6: you need to put you know, you know so I said,
Speaker 6: So I'm back enough. You know, you in the town,
Speaker 6: the mayor here is. But here's the thing, man, you
Speaker 6: got it. You take care of it, because now I
Speaker 6: want to do one in Tijuana and Juarez and and
Speaker 6: you know, I don't know if you ever heard of
Speaker 6: three squares.
Speaker 7: It's a place where they have food. This lady, Julie Merritt,
Speaker 7: before she was going to die of cancer and before
Speaker 7: she said, before I die, I'm going to create big,
Speaker 7: giymongous buildings like Walmart's tall, fill them out with food
Speaker 7: and feed the kids in Las Vegas.
Speaker 6: She did that with two buildings. She never died and
Speaker 6: we learned so much from her. Now, if you just
Speaker 6: take your time and go to three Squares and you
Speaker 6: see what's happening with this building, and you see people
Speaker 6: donating the You know, the thing about Las Vegas is
Speaker 6: that the thing about Las Vegas, there's a lot of
Speaker 6: people that I call weapons of mass compassion, people who
Speaker 6: wake up to be of service to humanity. You don't
Speaker 6: hear about them. You only hear about the clubs and
Speaker 6: the streets. But there's bona fide people who I call
Speaker 6: weapons of mass compassion, people who they roll up their sleeves,
Speaker 6: they cook, they pack, they do all kinds of things,
Speaker 6: and they're always helping and healing, care directing and curing
Speaker 6: humanity's mentality.
Speaker 1: How did you know that that was your particular calling,
Speaker 1: at least for you donating that center? Like why not
Speaker 1: a school? Why not you know, housing development or whatever?
Speaker 1: Like what was it about doing a not a hospital,
Speaker 1: but like a center? What was it about that that
Speaker 1: you felt that's what the town needed?
Speaker 7: Thank you for asking that.
Speaker 6: I grew up with Tito Puente and BB King believing
Speaker 6: that I could be somewhere in the middle. But in
Speaker 6: the meantime I was checking out the lordus ware to
Speaker 6: Martin Luther King mother Teresa, So I would say, well,
Speaker 6: I'm going to do this so I can do that,
Speaker 6: you know, So I'm going to play music and with
Speaker 6: the energy or money from that, I'm going to give
Speaker 6: it to two million, five hundred clean to mister Desmond
Speaker 6: Tuttu to help the children with aids so they can
Speaker 6: have uniforms, so they can have shoes, you know, because
Speaker 6: if you don't have shoes and uniforms, you can't get
Speaker 6: into the classroom.
Speaker 7: So I donated. I did, We did a whole tour.
Speaker 6: I paid my taxes and I paid my band and
Speaker 6: what was the rest of that. I gave it to
Speaker 6: missvestmin to to clean one check, you know. And I
Speaker 6: did it because I'm constantly like you and you and
Speaker 6: everybody here, I come still being Nutch.
Speaker 7: Inwardly do this follow that?
Speaker 6: You know? And so but I said, but I don't
Speaker 6: want people to know that I'm doing this, And they said, well,
Speaker 6: I know that you don't want people to know that
Speaker 6: you're giving two million, five hundred clean to this one
Speaker 6: too to help with the kids and the aids and everything.
Speaker 6: But see if people do find out a little bit,
Speaker 6: then it will inspire other people to do podcast too,
Speaker 6: I says. So, I says, but I don't feel comfortable
Speaker 6: because it feels weird to do something. And then it
Speaker 6: almost feels like, look at me, I'm doing no And
Speaker 6: they said, he said, no, man, it's not like that, you.
Speaker 7: Know, trust us. And so I was like, so that's
Speaker 7: why I did it like that.
Speaker 1: You know, I get it. I get it. Wow, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's that's beautiful to hear. Well. Eventually, of course, I
Speaker 1: know that you moved to the United States. I'm assuming
Speaker 1: you moved to the Bay Area. How old were you
Speaker 1: when you settled into California.
Speaker 7: I moved from Tijuana the first time in nineteen sixty two,
Speaker 7: and Mom and I were not getting along.
Speaker 6: We weren't getting alone for a long time, you know, because
Speaker 6: she was very domineering, very set, Like I said, a
Speaker 6: lot of conviction, and I'm not, like, with all respect
Speaker 6: to my sisters and brothers, I'm not that kind of
Speaker 6: guy that goes like that, you know. So I wanted
Speaker 6: to go back to where I was working. I was
Speaker 6: working Tijuana in a nightclub called the Convoy. We would
Speaker 6: play for an hour and for another hour there would
Speaker 6: be women stripping.
Speaker 7: They were like a Stripperson still yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 6: So to me, I was like, oh, this is like
Speaker 6: better than a circle, the solea whatever, you know, this
Speaker 6: is yeah, I play an hour, you know, green onions
Speaker 6: and you know, something's got a hold of it, and
Speaker 6: play Eda Jeans and Booker t and all kinds of people,
Speaker 6: and for an hour I get to see ladies, you know,
Speaker 6: strip and do that do the thing because they have
Speaker 6: to feed the kids, because they have to do what
Speaker 6: they have to do, you know. But I was like, yeah,
Speaker 6: this just go to junior high school in America. Oh no,
Speaker 6: heck no, I don't want to go to junior high school.
Speaker 6: I want to stay in this joint and grow up
Speaker 6: watching this thing.
Speaker 2: Junior high school. Carlos, You were like, whoa, Okay.
Speaker 1: Well he's born in forty seven, so now he's fifteen.
Speaker 6: Ye and they put plus they put me back because
Speaker 6: I couldn't speak English. The only words that I knew
Speaker 6: was stick him up.
Speaker 8: And there's the annamation from the most.
Speaker 6: Stick them up because I saw Roy Rogers, uh some
Speaker 6: TV show Roy Rogers and somebody said stick about they
Speaker 6: pull a gun and they're like, whoa. I said, oh,
Speaker 6: they come up. Okay, you know, so that was one
Speaker 6: of the first words.
Speaker 7: In English that I learned.
Speaker 1: Okay. Who taught you how to play? Was guitar? Your
Speaker 1: first weapon? Of choice.
Speaker 6: No, it was the violin. But I didn't like the
Speaker 6: way it smell, the way it sound, way it felt, you.
Speaker 7: Know, because you got to get that, you know, and
Speaker 7: I like.
Speaker 6: And my dad I didn't want to, you know, make
Speaker 6: him angry. So I finally told him, you know, I
Speaker 6: don't want to play this thing, man. And so my
Speaker 6: mom took me to the center of town in Tijuana,
Speaker 6: and there was a band called the Tjs, and there
Speaker 6: was this dude named Haaviert about these who had a
Speaker 6: big kunk like Little Richard, big khaki pants, you know,
Speaker 6: big big, almost like bail bottom pans.
Speaker 7: And he he was a component of three.
Speaker 6: People, I mean, and he had it down. He was
Speaker 6: like Baby King, Little Richard and Ray Chiles. That's all
Speaker 6: he knew. And he played it really, really good. So
Speaker 6: when I went to the center of town with my mom,
Speaker 6: because she grabbed me by the hand, you're coming with me,
Speaker 6: And I was like, I said, you haven't played a
Speaker 6: while because your dad is in San Francisco, and I
Speaker 6: don't want what he touches for you to lose it,
Speaker 6: so come with me. So she pulled me by the
Speaker 6: hand and she took me to see this guy and
Speaker 6: they're playing, you know, they're playing, and the way he
Speaker 6: hit those notes, he had that twang like bb King,
Speaker 6: Freddie King, I'll bring He had that twang thing. And
Speaker 6: I was like, it was like seeing a flying saficer
Speaker 6: man or a first white whale or something.
Speaker 7: And I was like, oh my god, right there.
Speaker 6: I knew that's the only thing I was going to
Speaker 6: be right there because of watching a guy play.
Speaker 7: I mean you could when he played the guitar and
Speaker 7: the notes resonated against the cars and the trees and
Speaker 7: the church across the street. Man, I was like, oh
Speaker 7: my god, the sound of the guitar.
Speaker 6: Man is very uh you know, Jimmy Hendrix, Stevie Ray,
Speaker 6: you know, is Albert King, is everybody you know.
Speaker 7: It's very It seduces your senses, is uh.
Speaker 6: Lauren Hill says, man one note from you and assaulted
Speaker 6: all my senses, That's what she said.
Speaker 7: So that's what guitars, guitar guitar players do because when
Speaker 7: you band the note.
Speaker 6: See, when you band the note and you know how
Speaker 6: to get bended, man, that's when people hair stand.
Speaker 7: Up, you know, and even my holes. I see.
Speaker 6: I have a lot of pictures of my house with guitars,
Speaker 6: you know, because he wanted to get into the guitar
Speaker 6: and he wanted to know how to how to get
Speaker 6: inside that note bending bending. There's something very very spiritual
Speaker 6: and sensual. Spiritual and sensual about the guitar.
Speaker 7: Man, it's just you.
Speaker 9: Know, Carlos, if I may, can you just tell us
Speaker 9: about the moment or the moments leading up in the
Speaker 9: morning after when you received this first guitar, because I
Speaker 9: it's it's got to be a special moment.
Speaker 7: But yeah, it was a special But thank you for
Speaker 7: asking that.
Speaker 6: My dad found out for my mom that I didn't
Speaker 6: want to quit music, but I wanted guitar.
Speaker 7: So he sent me a big fat guitar.
Speaker 6: So I liked West Montgomery, you know, and and uh
Speaker 6: it had pickups, but I was so naive. I changed
Speaker 6: the strengths and I put an eyeline strings because I
Speaker 6: you know, and I said, well, man, I can get
Speaker 6: a sound from this, and they said, no, you need
Speaker 6: to put it, you know.
Speaker 7: So I changed the strengths again. Then I got in it.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 6: When I got in it, people were telling me you
Speaker 6: shouldn't played bass, man, because I started with the bass.
Speaker 6: After that you played too many damn nuns to play
Speaker 6: the bass. You used to play the guitar, I said, okay,
Speaker 6: so you know.
Speaker 4: It was it was.
Speaker 6: It's a it's all been a revelation man, being in
Speaker 6: this planet and learning how to articulate first selectric guitar
Speaker 6: and then all the tune in African music. You know,
Speaker 6: because because once you get into the drums, like I said,
Speaker 6: I love drums so much, man.
Speaker 7: I married a drummer. Drummer, the drummer for me.
Speaker 6: You know that that that that is the closest to
Speaker 6: Tony Williams alive, you know, because you know, because she
Speaker 6: had you know, anyway, so that's a beautiful combination. You know,
Speaker 6: the guitar cheeto puente on it tuni with bb King. Man,
Speaker 6: that's a badass combination. Next thing, you know, next thing,
Speaker 6: you know, everybody has congers into bolists, man, Next thing,
Speaker 6: you know, like the Rolling Stones got congas hto bolist
Speaker 6: uh slies got congas hinto.
Speaker 7: Ballists minus got congress. Why something happened, it would.
Speaker 4: Stuck Mmm okay because of what they.
Speaker 6: Said, Because it worked, because they said that it works. See,
Speaker 6: guitar and congus make women dance differently.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: The hippies. The hippies ladies. You know, they're dancing like
Speaker 6: they're catching butterflies.
Speaker 1: That is the standard white girl dance. I never I
Speaker 1: never once thought of it as catching butterflies, but you did.
Speaker 7: But then you play at Wahita, you know, which is
Speaker 7: like chango.
Speaker 6: With b the ging doom Doom Doom doom.
Speaker 7: Dad. Look at women just go oh okay, you know.
Speaker 8: Hey.
Speaker 1: Wow, if you get the women to dance to it,
Speaker 1: then it works. Okay. Uh. I had questions of Carlos
Speaker 1: about two particular players, and they're influence and on on
Speaker 1: your playing and just you guys personal relationship, my vision
Speaker 1: of John H. McLoughlin, and also Peter Green. What can
Speaker 1: you say about you guys work together?
Speaker 6: Oh well, thank you for asking that. You know, I
Speaker 6: knew about I knew about John from a bitches brew
Speaker 6: and uh, but somebody told me in between I was
Speaker 6: playing at the Filmore and a brother who was taking
Speaker 6: care of like a ballet for BB King, he had
Speaker 6: the day off and he says, man, you're coming with me.
Speaker 7: I says, where are we going? He says, We're going
Speaker 7: to go to Slugs. What's that?
Speaker 6: It says, it's a club in Harlem, and a says,
Speaker 6: I said, who's playing? It says Tony Williams trio, John McLaughlan,
Speaker 6: Larry Young and Tony Williams. And that place was small,
Speaker 6: but they were allowed.
Speaker 1: Right, This was so period. This is before it for
Speaker 1: a lifetime.
Speaker 7: Okay, emergency, emergency, emergency, emergency. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And when I first heard him play.
Speaker 6: Again, it's it's a different kind of revelation because you're
Speaker 6: going from Johnny Hooker, Lightning Hopkins, Jimmy Reed, bb King,
Speaker 6: Freddy King. You're going to a cat like John McLaughlin
Speaker 6: who's playing a combination of John go Reinhardt with Robbie
Speaker 6: Shanker with Wes Montgomery, and he's burning, burning with this
Speaker 6: dexterity him and Tony Williams. And I was like, oh
Speaker 6: my god, you know, I don't know people can actually
Speaker 6: play like this. And here's the word I don't know
Speaker 6: people who I didn't know people could articulate this kind
Speaker 6: of language that is beyond superlatives.
Speaker 1: Was Tony. You know, it's where one of the very
Speaker 1: first American, not American roots shows, but one of the
Speaker 1: very first root shows. Once we got our record deal,
Speaker 1: Tony Williams was also at the gig, and I'm really
Speaker 1: kicking myself that I didn't watch him, like I didn't
Speaker 1: really start to worship him, even though I knew him
Speaker 1: well or knew of his work well. But you know, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: like I guess, when people pass away, then you really
Speaker 1: you start to hear their music differently. And even like
Speaker 1: this the next book that I wrote, like chapter one
Speaker 1: is actually dedicated to there's a Tony Williams song called
Speaker 1: there Comes the Time. Yeah that, yeah, that's that's how
Speaker 1: I met my original manager. My manager used to be
Speaker 1: like a DJ at a jazz station. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: like I was really transfixed when I heard that song,
Speaker 1: and like it just always stuck with me. But I
Speaker 1: always wanted to know, like, since you got to witness
Speaker 1: prime Tony Williams drum, was he his symbol playing to me?
Speaker 1: And I get you know that Cindy is also so
Speaker 1: like a branch of the Tony Williams tree. Was he
Speaker 1: in person during his prime? Was he as violently loud
Speaker 1: as a drummer as I imagine that he was, Because
Speaker 1: my only testament, you know, besides what I see on YouTube,
Speaker 1: but you know, a lot of that stuff is more
Speaker 1: like eighties Tony Williams. But there's really not much of
Speaker 1: the late sixties, early seventies twenty Tony Williams archives available.
Speaker 1: But what was it? What was his power? Like? Like
Speaker 1: he was just one of the loudest drummers I ever heard.
Speaker 6: I mean I heard Cream and their peak. I heard
Speaker 6: Jimmy Hendrix at his peak. I heard led Sepplin at
Speaker 6: their peak. I have never heard anybody play by Tony Williams,
Speaker 6: John mcclough and Larry Young, not one of them come
Speaker 6: close to dynamics and just pure energy did this guy's have?
Speaker 6: Plus the mentality it's not even mentality because it's not
Speaker 6: mental music.
Speaker 7: You know, you can't put superlatives on.
Speaker 6: Tony Williams or John Coltrane because there's just no words
Speaker 6: in this planet to describe the unknown. But it's but
Speaker 6: you've seen it, you're hearing it, and you cannot believe it.
Speaker 7: Let me give you an example.
Speaker 6: I zoomed then on his high hat on his foot,
Speaker 6: and he was left right like like that, but at
Speaker 6: the speed of a at the speed of a hummingbird's wing,
Speaker 6: and he locks it. So that's locked.
Speaker 7: It's not going anywhere now.
Speaker 6: He can do whatever he wants to do with his
Speaker 6: right hand and then with left hand and with his.
Speaker 7: Full drop drop bombs. But I never seen.
Speaker 6: Anybody lock a high head at the speed of the
Speaker 6: hummingbird's wings and locked with total confidence and assurance. I
Speaker 6: looked at him and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 6: this is like my brain just was like, I feel
Speaker 6: like my brain's getting like stretch, you know, from That's
Speaker 6: the best band.
Speaker 7: I have ever seen it in my entire existence.
Speaker 6: And I love Jimmy, I love Cream, I love Lidzepar,
Speaker 6: I love a lot of them.
Speaker 7: I have never heard anybody with that trio like that.
Speaker 1: I believe you. I believe you. You know, a couple
Speaker 1: of episodes back, we have Raphael Sadik on our show,
Speaker 1: and you know, to hear him describe the Bay Area
Speaker 1: and what it meant to grow up in the Bay
Speaker 1: Area at the time when musicianship was at its absolute peak,
Speaker 1: you know, with with San Francisco, like with the the
Speaker 1: Summer of Love coming into play and to bloom and
Speaker 1: especially like in Oakland with funk brewing over there. How
Speaker 1: how is that well for him? He was just describing
Speaker 1: it what it was like be young to you know,
Speaker 1: casually be a ten year old and see Larry Graham
Speaker 1: or to casually see you or you know, all these
Speaker 1: musicians that are in the area. What was it I mean,
Speaker 1: because you're one of the pioneers in the Bay Area,
Speaker 1: what was it about that particular place on the map
Speaker 1: that just made musicianship on a whole another level? Like
Speaker 1: can you just I mean, I'm assuming by you know,
Speaker 1: by at least the mid sixties, you got your chops up.
Speaker 1: So can you just describe pre record deal, pre Santana
Speaker 1: first record? Like what what.
Speaker 8: Is the.
Speaker 1: Modus operandi of a musician in say nineteen sixty seven,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight in the Bay Area? Like is it
Speaker 1: Jam Sessions Galore? Is it? Like who your peers at
Speaker 1: the time?
Speaker 6: Hm Brown zero for consciousness Revolution. You know, besides Els
Speaker 6: the peote, mescaline, ayahuasca, you have Charles Lloyd, You have
Speaker 6: John Handy, you have Robbie Shankard, you have or this
Speaker 6: is reading, you have James Brown.
Speaker 7: You have all all of it is in one particular.
Speaker 6: Like a nebula, you know, and you have bb King,
Speaker 6: you have Albert King, and then you have uh who else?
Speaker 7: You have Lee Morgan? You know, you can go you
Speaker 7: can go any club man, and.
Speaker 6: Here this this, you know, George Benson, this cat this
Speaker 6: before George Benson was singing, you know, and he was
Speaker 6: she was tearing the guitar up and a whole other
Speaker 6: kind of way. So for me, when people say what
Speaker 6: are you going to do tonight, it says, man, it's
Speaker 6: hard to decide. I'm going to go to the Both
Speaker 6: Hands Club and see Miles Davis, or I'm gonna go
Speaker 6: see Monga Santo Maria or West Montgomery or the Grateful
Speaker 6: Dead or Live Stone, you know, and it's all like
Speaker 6: right there, you know. And so what makes it more
Speaker 6: delicious is that you can actually understand what they're doing.
Speaker 6: You know, it's not out of the realm of your
Speaker 6: understanding capabilities. And it's like if you keep looking at
Speaker 6: it and hearing it from your inner.
Speaker 7: Ear, you can see what they're doing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: It's just a matter of like going home and articulating,
Speaker 6: getting close to the facility, because you have to have
Speaker 6: a certain kind of facility to articulate.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: I mean, the difference between I can tell the one no,
Speaker 6: the difference between Lee Morgan or Freddie Habert or Miles
Speaker 6: or Clark Terry, you know, just trumpets alone. I know
Speaker 6: the guitar players, I know the drummers, you know. And
Speaker 6: so for me, growing up in San Francisco was like
Speaker 6: the ultimate university of being connected to it all and
Speaker 6: at the same time develop your own individuality, uniqueness and authenticity,
Speaker 6: you know, because anybody will.
Speaker 7: Tell you, man, don't play my shit.
Speaker 6: Hey, We'll get your own, man, you know, don't don't
Speaker 6: come over here playing somebody else's shit, man, you know,
Speaker 6: and they gave it. They give you that look, you know, like, hey, man,
Speaker 6: you know they do.
Speaker 7: That in Africa.
Speaker 6: Also, they might have fifty drummers and each one has
Speaker 6: to play their own thing. They'll give you a dirty
Speaker 6: look like, man, don't play my thing, Go get your
Speaker 6: own thing, you know.
Speaker 7: And it was like that in San Francisco.
Speaker 6: You have to find, you know, the difference between sly
Speaker 6: stepping wolf and creating's clear water, you know, Tina Turner.
Speaker 7: Albert Collins, Albera King, you know. And for me, I
Speaker 7: was like I couldn't get enough, man, I could hardly.
Speaker 7: I didn't even want to go to sleep because I
Speaker 7: just want to soak it all up. I said, Man,
Speaker 7: I must have died because this is heaven. Heaven. You know,
Speaker 7: if you want to just check out john Ley Hooker
Speaker 7: and the Doors and Coltrane, I love Supreme. It's the
Speaker 7: same thing.
Speaker 1: Right true. Wait, can I do a follow up to
Speaker 1: that question, Steve?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll allow it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, I appreciate it. Here's the thing though, because
Speaker 1: your debut album, and I want to know how you
Speaker 1: got your record deal, but your debut album also arrives
Speaker 1: at the same time, right in the same month as Woodstock,
Speaker 1: which clearly that's the event that will define that generation.
Speaker 1: But what I also noticed was that right after Woodstock,
Speaker 1: it's kind of the you know, the turn of a
Speaker 1: new decade, and things got darker, you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of cynicism, a lot of darkness, especially in the music
Speaker 1: of Sly And you know, I'm and I'm conflicted on
Speaker 1: there's a ride going on, you know, because yes, it's
Speaker 1: it's the first funk record and I can't deny something
Speaker 1: that literally puts food on my table to this day.
Speaker 1: But also know that that album to me is almost
Speaker 1: like Slide falling on his sword, if you will, like
Speaker 1: his personal demons also coming to light. But then you know,
Speaker 1: but I also feel like with the exception of a
Speaker 1: choice few, you seem to be the only person from
Speaker 1: the Woodstock, the class of Woodstock, that still stayed in
Speaker 1: a spiritual lane. Like you didn't get dark, You didn't
Speaker 1: get you didn't get cynical. You know, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know what was happening in your personal life at
Speaker 1: the time, But can you explain why when everyone else
Speaker 1: at the turn of sixty nine seventy seventy one, when
Speaker 1: they all went to kind of a darker creative place,
Speaker 1: that you didn't venture there all that much like your
Speaker 1: music and even though like of course, like by the
Speaker 1: fourth or fifth album, you sort of slid away from
Speaker 1: I guess what Clive would have life loved you to
Speaker 1: keep churning out the hits and whatnot to the level
Speaker 1: of the first two records. But you know you didn't
Speaker 1: go dark. And can you explain why or what was
Speaker 1: happening at least at that time that just caused everyone
Speaker 1: to go to just a darker cynical place with their creativity.
Speaker 6: Thank you for asking that. You know, most of it
Speaker 6: comes from my mother saying to me so nosti, which
Speaker 6: means that is not for you. For you, you know
Speaker 6: the cocaine, cocaine shooting up that is not for you.
Speaker 6: And she said it so loud and so engraded in
Speaker 6: my thing. So the other thing is that I want
Speaker 6: to just pause for a second and tell you I
Speaker 6: want to offer you my deepest gratitude for bringing out
Speaker 6: the black woodstof from from Harlem, because man, I just
Speaker 6: signed this summer and I was like, damn, I got
Speaker 6: all these questions to ask you. Man, like you have
Speaker 6: the whole thing from Sunny Sharraq I want.
Speaker 10: I want you know the second you're the second very
Speaker 10: famous guitar player that wants to hear that you and
Speaker 10: Papatheni can go down on Sundys sharrock man all day.
Speaker 1: It was amazing.
Speaker 7: Okay, Okay, so I'm gonna do.
Speaker 6: I'm connected with Dave Snyder, which is this keyboard player
Speaker 6: and and uh I made a promise.
Speaker 7: To create a Jubilation Okay, that's the name of the CD.
Speaker 6: Now I'm going to have all the drunk guitar players
Speaker 6: that I love, and each one is gonna pick a song.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I already decided you're going to be my shaman.
Speaker 1: So yes, I'll share that with you. Something I've never
Speaker 1: seen had you heard.
Speaker 8: Of that concert in real time? Like, had you heard
Speaker 8: of what was going on in Harlem?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Wow, don't.
Speaker 2: It's not called the black Woodstock.
Speaker 7: We don't do that, I know. Sorry, you know, yes, okay,
Speaker 7: I'm sorry. What do you call it? The summer summer?
Speaker 8: So summer summer of soul in the con I mean
Speaker 8: the folks that live there called the concert at that park?
Speaker 2: What's the park again?
Speaker 1: A mayor? Marcus Dery, Marcus Garvey, Marcus Garvey Park.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I know about that.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So did you know about it in real time?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 6: No, I mean I heard it floating around because the
Speaker 6: person and who told me about this before anybody was
Speaker 6: Greg and Rico, because he knew it existed, you know
Speaker 6: how to get a hold of it, you know. And
Speaker 6: so those are the two things that I want, Actually
Speaker 6: I need a lot because to answer your question again
Speaker 6: about not so coming to the predictable victim pathetic, predictable
Speaker 6: mentality of being too too high to play, which is
Speaker 6: a contradiction because when I when you play, you get high,
Speaker 6: you know, so that means that you're doing something chemically
Speaker 6: that you shouldn't be doing because now you're you're putting
Speaker 6: your you're putting your light, your spirit, and your soul
Speaker 6: to the side, and your ego is saying, hey, man,
Speaker 6: I got this.
Speaker 7: In meantime, it don't sound so good or it looks
Speaker 7: so good or smells so good, you know.
Speaker 6: So, So what I did is like I pay attention
Speaker 6: to the Staples singers because I hung around with him
Speaker 6: in Pop Staples, and I hang around, you know, with
Speaker 6: John mcclock and so I basically I join in a
Speaker 6: West Point type of spiritual discipline path which rich and
Speaker 6: moy and that kept me from self destruction because you know, here,
Speaker 6: here's the thing before we move up there, there is
Speaker 6: such a thing as self deception and self discovery.
Speaker 2: Okay, talk about it.
Speaker 7: So self deception is this.
Speaker 6: Self discovery is like I'm going to open my heart
Speaker 6: and let God in the universe like our blake he
Speaker 6: said it. Here's how Blakey from the Creator through us
Speaker 6: for you. That's for me that was hired. That was
Speaker 6: higher than heroin, cocaine or any of the other substance
Speaker 6: like that man from the Creator directly through me for you.
Speaker 6: And once I heard about that one, then you know
Speaker 6: you're not going to bamboostle Santana into thinking less than
Speaker 6: my light, my spirited and my soul.
Speaker 2: So no, no, we know ayahwasta.
Speaker 1: It sounds like self deception is cocaine, but self discovery
Speaker 1: is shrooms.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 1: I would like to also be clear that, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think with ayahuasca and we like, I don't. I never
Speaker 1: consider those drugs medicine more than you.
Speaker 2: Know, maybe the FDA does, but you know you're right about.
Speaker 1: That because they don't want us enlightened.
Speaker 2: I'm with it. I mean, I was just just curious.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm in the baby stations.
Speaker 1: Do you often do like uh sound baths or rituals
Speaker 1: or those sort of things like sound uh spiritual sound
Speaker 1: journeys or those sort of things like with the spiritual
Speaker 1: community or anything.
Speaker 6: The closest thing that I do now to any of that,
Speaker 6: get a heart felt hug from Cindy and stay there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wow, what else do you need?
Speaker 2: I would take one of those?
Speaker 1: Was there you go?
Speaker 2: Not to be creepy, but your wife is amazing.
Speaker 1: Steve.
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, well, I really want I really want to
Speaker 3: get to like Kirk's questions, but I'll ask one of
Speaker 3: my two questions. Now, since we're short of in this
Speaker 3: time period, I wanted to know if you could tell
Speaker 3: our list is about Luis Gaska. You were on an
Speaker 3: album in seventy two with him. He's a trumpet player.
Speaker 3: The album's call for those who chant, and I just
Speaker 3: wanted to put a little light on that, on that name,
Speaker 3: if you could tell us about him.
Speaker 7: Well, thank you for asking that man.
Speaker 6: When the band broke up, you know, there was a period,
Speaker 6: a specific night when I said to certain musicians I
Speaker 6: need so and so to be out of the band
Speaker 6: because there's a line the rest of the band with
Speaker 6: hair run and cocaine, and we sound like crap. We
Speaker 6: don't practice, and this is not This is not the
Speaker 6: band that I mean that I want to be in.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 6: Our platinum albums are collecting dust and we're not moving forward.
Speaker 6: So I want this guy and that guy to be
Speaker 6: out of the band or I won't be on the plane.
Speaker 7: And they said, well then it's not your band, you
Speaker 7: won't be on the plane. I said, okay. So they
Speaker 7: left without me, you know, And so what.
Speaker 6: I did to console myself I went to the basins
Speaker 6: Street West and Broadway, San Francisco, hung out with Luis Gaska,
Speaker 6: Joe Henderson, George Cables, and this drummer, a drummer who played.
Speaker 7: Marshall.
Speaker 6: This is this, and they allowed me to come in
Speaker 6: and say hey, man, I was like, they said, goheare Santana,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 7: So when they dude, dude, I was like, oh, this
Speaker 7: is this is different, you know.
Speaker 6: So I wasn't afraid to not be in Santana anymore
Speaker 6: because the whole world was embracing me to learn from
Speaker 6: Joe Henderson and Wullis Gaska and and everybody out like that.
Speaker 6: Any Eddie Marshall, I think it's his name, you know.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 7: God found a way for me not to feel sorry
Speaker 7: for myself for being uh, you know, like tripping on
Speaker 7: you know, what's gonna happen to poor me. I don't
Speaker 7: think like that anyway, you know. So I just went
Speaker 7: to the.
Speaker 6: Clubs and started sitting in with people, and they were
Speaker 6: so gracious enough to be patient. Though I didn't know
Speaker 6: a lot of the changes, but I knew when to
Speaker 6: play and when not to play.
Speaker 1: But even if it was your band, you were willing
Speaker 1: to leave an organization that had your namesake adds its name.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because at that time, it was more like a
Speaker 6: lot of bands. It was democratic, you know, until I realized, no,
Speaker 6: it has my name, and I can't have somebody wearing
Speaker 6: a Santana jacket going to the wrong places in town,
Speaker 6: doing the wrong thing because then, you know, So anyway,
Speaker 6: to me.
Speaker 7: All that stuff was a blessing in this guys.
Speaker 6: Man, everything that has happened to me, like the so
Speaker 6: called career suicide, which i'd done three or four times,
Speaker 6: you know, but at the meantime, I'm hanging around with Herbie,
Speaker 6: you know, or Wayne, or hanging around with Alice Coltrane
Speaker 6: or or Larry Young, you know. So every time I
Speaker 6: commit career suicide, I'm learning from the master's masters. And
Speaker 6: so hey man, this this is this is just la
Speaker 6: creme de la creme, you know, hanging around with them.
Speaker 8: You got to tell us about your Alice Coltrane encounter
Speaker 8: and the first time you met her, because it must
Speaker 8: have been spiritual at the least.
Speaker 6: Okay, so I got this this one that a lot
Speaker 6: of people are going to roll their eyes because they're
Speaker 6: not going to believe it, but I don't care because
Speaker 6: I was there. So she find me to stay in
Speaker 6: her house for a whole week, and I was hanging
Speaker 6: around with the children because at that time they were children,
Speaker 6: and we would we would wake up like a run
Speaker 6: one thirty in the morning, and we would meditate first,
Speaker 6: and then she would play harp, and then she played piano,
Speaker 6: and then she would play The World is Her piano,
Speaker 6: and then we meditate again.
Speaker 7: And when we were meditating, it.
Speaker 6: Got really really deep and quiet, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: I swear to you, I see John Coltrane coming right
Speaker 6: at me one of many times, but this one's coming
Speaker 6: right at me. And it's got a snow cone with
Speaker 6: three flavors of ice cream, right, and this is the
Speaker 6: all inwardly And so she's just next to me, and
Speaker 6: she goes, go ahead, try one.
Speaker 7: How does she knew what.
Speaker 6: Was inside my meditation? She goes, go ahead, go ahead,
Speaker 6: try one. So I licked it, and she goes, that's
Speaker 6: a beef fla diminished seven. Try another one. So I
Speaker 6: licked it again. Man, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 6: I'm an Alice Coltrane and coltrans here offering me a
Speaker 6: snow cone with three flavors of ice cream in each
Speaker 6: flavor is a guitar.
Speaker 7: I mean their course, you know.
Speaker 1: Were they a specific color. Did it correspond color?
Speaker 7: Yeah? They were like yellow, green and orange?
Speaker 1: And what was be flat diminished? Do you remember be.
Speaker 6: Flat diminished was at that time at least but that
Speaker 6: particularly night was the yellow one.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you you you believe in synesthesia? Does absolutely? No?
Speaker 1: I believe. Look, I believe. I was going to say,
Speaker 1: you know, oftentimes when you have this level, when you're
Speaker 1: at this this level of this particular a plane, a
Speaker 1: lot of inexplicable things start happening to you that average
Speaker 1: mere mortals would just think like that didn't happen or whatever.
Speaker 1: But you know it's no, I absolutely believe that human
Speaker 1: beings are regular human beings are just very limited in
Speaker 1: their three dimensional.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but in your higher thought, I don't think he's
Speaker 8: supposed to think of people like that, though, are you.
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 1: No, No, I know they are mortals, mere humans. Mir Well,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to paraphrase it because we're not a visual show,
Speaker 1: so I can't, you know, but.
Speaker 7: It's like a house. It's like a house.
Speaker 6: You got the first floor, second floor, you know, the roof,
Speaker 6: and you have the basement. You know, So we're not
Speaker 6: we're not putting anybody down it's just it's just a building.
Speaker 8: So many people want it, they just don't know how
Speaker 8: to get it. So it's fortunate when you can find
Speaker 8: it correct.
Speaker 1: Did you want to ask something, Uh, there's there's plenty.
Speaker 9: I realized amount of time, and I want to talk
Speaker 9: about some gear too and that side of things. But
Speaker 9: before I get to that, I have to say, mister Santana,
Speaker 9: I got to meet you one time. It was on
Speaker 9: I think on a Where's where's that guitar shop?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 9: Madauw Minov Guitars? No, Madame Manov Guitars used to be
Speaker 9: there on West Fourth Street in the village. I was
Speaker 9: with my son and you walked out of the store.
Speaker 9: You like walked into us, and I was like Carlos
Speaker 9: and you said hello, and you looked at my son
Speaker 9: and you said.
Speaker 1: Hey, angel, one day you're going to heal the world. Wow.
Speaker 9: The night before this encounter, we were watching a movie
Speaker 9: called Soul to Soul ironically and oh.
Speaker 2: My mother was just talking about this.
Speaker 9: Yes, and I said to my son, it's the guy
Speaker 9: from the movie. So I'm wondering in Soul to Soul
Speaker 9: was that your first trip to Africa? And can you
Speaker 9: speak on that? Experience, whether it was your first time
Speaker 9: or not.
Speaker 6: Yes, to go to Africa in Ghana, Akara Ghana, and
Speaker 6: the things that I've learned Yea Akara Ghana, and too
Speaker 6: to be in a place where I get to learn
Speaker 6: about d Shaman who was so profoundly powerful that the
Speaker 6: mayor would move out of the way and the police
Speaker 6: department would get out of the way, I mean able
Speaker 6: to get get out of the way when this guy
Speaker 6: would come to the streets, you know, and Wilson Pickett
Speaker 6: would say, don't tell me anything about it. I don't
Speaker 6: want to hear about it. I don't want to hear
Speaker 6: that stuff, you know, because he didn't he didn't want
Speaker 6: to be put into an ex kind of thing, you know,
Speaker 6: you know, because he was afraid.
Speaker 7: Of like he was afraid he was locked and he
Speaker 7: was ucked, you know.
Speaker 6: So Willi Bob was playing with us because our regular
Speaker 6: timbata player, Shipido had an aneurysm. So we we took
Speaker 6: Willie bobble with us. And Willi Bobo had co yatis,
Speaker 6: you know, to protect and so from you know, the
Speaker 6: other the voodoo from Africa, so he thought, and so
Speaker 6: uh and so he so he got really really sick
Speaker 6: with my brother Willie Bobo. And so uh, Michael Caravella said, hey, man,
Speaker 6: you need to go to his room. Like I said, man,
Speaker 6: it's still a clock to the morn. He says, yeah,
Speaker 6: but I've been here all night. It's your turn.
Speaker 7: And just grab some towels and wet him and put
Speaker 7: her in his head, you know, because he's sweating a lot.
Speaker 6: Just help him out. So I go over there to
Speaker 6: his room and the guy knocks on the door. It's
Speaker 6: a regular doctor doctor and he looks just like Aussie Davis, right,
Speaker 6: And I'm like okay, and he goes coming in, and
Speaker 6: so I'm looking at Willy and how you doing, man?
Speaker 7: He's just oh, man, you know.
Speaker 6: And so there's another knock on the door, and there's
Speaker 6: the voodoo man, the main boodoo man, the guy who
Speaker 6: put him, he put the thing on him and he
Speaker 6: and he looks at me right in the door. And
Speaker 6: I had an inner conversation like I did with Alice Coltrane.
Speaker 6: So I'm having this conversation with this shaman, and I said,
Speaker 6: I know who you are and I know what you got,
Speaker 6: but if you want to deal with me, you have
Speaker 6: to go through this. And I had a T shirt
Speaker 6: with Jesus in it. I said, so, if you can
Speaker 6: kick his ass, I'm yours. Otherwise you have to leave
Speaker 6: me alone. Just like that, He looked him in my
Speaker 6: eyes and went right around me and left me alone.
Speaker 7: You know. So I knew that we had an understanding.
Speaker 6: You know, it's all about the energy, and he knew
Speaker 6: that I wasn't intimidated because I'm holding on to sweet
Speaker 6: Baby Jesus, you know, and I have a confidence again
Speaker 6: that sweet Baby Jesus is going is going to like,
Speaker 6: let this cat know he's okay, leave him alone. You know,
Speaker 6: he's not a threat or anything like that. Just just
Speaker 6: leave him alone. And so the being in Africa and
Speaker 6: learning how.
Speaker 7: To articulate, you know, the real them check this out.
Speaker 6: So we're invited to a dinner where everybody is there,
Speaker 6: the mayor, everybody, and then they said, will you will
Speaker 6: you guys please take off your hat hats and and
Speaker 6: stand up because we're gonna do the national anthem. Here
Speaker 6: comes the national anthem, national anthem? Do they dude, which
Speaker 6: is which is going?
Speaker 7: Answer? Good man? Woman?
Speaker 11: Go oh oh together oh THEO. And I said, wait
Speaker 11: a minute, that's one something that is national anthem and
Speaker 11: culture and playing going no this We were playing the
Speaker 11: song before Santa Maria was.
Speaker 7: Ever in this planet. This is our Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: In Ghana is Ghana.
Speaker 7: That's there's a national anthem and.
Speaker 8: See more.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get them serious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, we always did it first.
Speaker 8: We always always that's the foundation.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 1: Well, as a drummer to drummer, boss, you should be
Speaker 1: there mm hmm.
Speaker 9: The time when you start to come into the world's
Speaker 9: consciousness is kind of simultaneous with when loud electric guitars
Speaker 9: starts to come into our consciousness and souped up amps
Speaker 9: and stuff like that. Uh, there's a there's a rumor
Speaker 9: that mess a boogies are called mess of boogies because
Speaker 9: you tried out an amp from a cat and you're like, man,
Speaker 9: this thing boogies, and now they call it boogies.
Speaker 5: Is that true?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll tell you the other half of it. The
Speaker 7: other half it was like the other half of it
Speaker 7: was like, look, man, I need to bring your amplifier back, and.
Speaker 6: I wonder know if you can do something for me. Well,
Speaker 6: what kind of hell was it? It's a princeton, souped
Speaker 6: up princeton before it was a book. It's a zoop
Speaker 6: stop Princeton before it was a boogie and he says, so,
Speaker 6: he says, what can I do for you?
Speaker 7: Man?
Speaker 6: I says, I need for you to put another volume control.
Speaker 6: He goes, what put another volume control? He goes, what four?
Speaker 6: So I can turn this one to ten and this
Speaker 6: one to one and I can sustain and not drive
Speaker 6: people crazy in the hotel.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is why you're on this episode because I
Speaker 1: would have never known to ask that question. Happy.
Speaker 9: Wow, And Who's who is the cat you took it to?
Speaker 9: I know I should know this because I work with Boogiey.
Speaker 6: His name is Randy Randy Smith, Randall Smith, Randall Smith.
Speaker 7: That's right, Sorry, Randall.
Speaker 1: If you hear this, Wait, something just hit me right now.
Speaker 1: And if I don't say it, I'll forget to ask it.
Speaker 1: But it just hit me. Wow. I can't believe I'm
Speaker 1: about to ask this question. I believe it is your
Speaker 1: albums that the world got to know the artwork of
Speaker 1: Marty Clairwin. Yeah, the Marty Clairwine. Yeah, like the infamous.
Speaker 1: You know, he did Bitches Brew. He did at least
Speaker 1: three covers for Herbie Hancock. He did Last Days in
Speaker 1: Time for Earth Wind and Fire had a very distinctive
Speaker 1: part collage. I mean again, if for our listeners out there,
Speaker 1: just look up Bitches brew look up at Braxis. I mean,
Speaker 1: I believe a Braxic Braxis Is, I think his first cover.
Speaker 1: How did you discover Marty clair Wine and how did
Speaker 1: he wind up just designing for practically eight other artist
Speaker 1: on Columbia And did you feel some sort of way
Speaker 1: when everyone wanted to use his artwork after you used
Speaker 1: him first?
Speaker 6: To be with precision and specificity, it was Miles Davis
Speaker 6: with Bitches Brewed that came out. That Cauban in sixty nine,
Speaker 6: I was came out in nineteen seventy. Now, the Braxis album,
Speaker 6: The Black Naked Lady, that's Mary, and the angel with
Speaker 6: the conga that's Gabriel. So that's the annunciation that she's
Speaker 6: going she's gonna get pregnant with Jesus. So the whole
Speaker 6: a cover of a Braxist is actually called the annunciation
Speaker 6: because Gabriel with the conga between his legs, the beautiful
Speaker 6: angel is telling Mary you know you're you're either about
Speaker 6: to or you're pregnant with Jesus.
Speaker 1: That's what that think is about Wow, Okay, do you
Speaker 1: have your were you do you own the original piece?
Speaker 6: I almost bought it, but I did. I tell what
Speaker 6: I did by in perpetuity. I bought the angel with
Speaker 6: the conga. Every time you see that angel with the
Speaker 6: conga between his legs.
Speaker 7: That one is mine.
Speaker 6: I bought that one from him in perpetuity and perpetuity
Speaker 6: because that's what Santana is. As soon as you see
Speaker 6: that angel with the conga, you know that's you know,
Speaker 6: that's that's the logo. That's Santana logo.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I think at Electric Ladies Studios, they didn't
Speaker 1: realize that they had Stevie Wonder's artwork for Music of
Speaker 1: My Mind, at least the inside that Marty put together.
Speaker 1: They found it in the closet like after sitting in
Speaker 1: there for like forty five years, and they finally like
Speaker 1: framed it and hung it up. But yeah, so, I mean,
Speaker 1: what was it What was it about his work that
Speaker 1: spoke to you acid? There? You go, all right, since
Speaker 1: you brought it up, what is it about acid? And
Speaker 1: do you recommend it? And how should it how should
Speaker 1: it be partaking? I would assume in spiritual circumstances or
Speaker 1: what visions do you see? I've never asked a person
Speaker 1: what's it like to take acid. It's a very perpose
Speaker 1: to learn.
Speaker 6: It's a very it's a very personal experience, a very
Speaker 6: personal experience.
Speaker 7: And I do recommend it under supervision, you know. So, uh,
Speaker 7: they have, believe it or not.
Speaker 6: They actually have people's tours that they go to South
Speaker 6: America in the jungles of Peru and Brazil and they
Speaker 6: spend a week in or a week and they do
Speaker 6: the ayahuasca thing, and uh, you know, it's it's a
Speaker 6: form of, uh, getting rid of a bunch of personalities
Speaker 6: that you invested in emotionally that it's not you. Oh
Speaker 6: tell me, Oh, I'm in you know, because because your
Speaker 6: friends see you this way, and then you teach you
Speaker 6: see you that way, and then your mom see you
Speaker 6: this way.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: But who really here's the question, you know, the main
Speaker 6: question about LSD. Who really are you when you stand
Speaker 6: but naked in front of.
Speaker 7: Your own light?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 8: Now I can do this, not just I can do
Speaker 8: this with ayot or ayahuasca or acid or is.
Speaker 2: There one author different? Yeah? Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 6: You know, all of the all of those things are
Speaker 6: just like portals. It's just it's just fears and portals
Speaker 6: that you walk into. And if you're a nice person,
Speaker 6: you're going to have a great time.
Speaker 7: If you're an a, you don't don't try it because
Speaker 7: you you know, some people when you do it, they
Speaker 7: make the mistake of getting under the sheets because they
Speaker 7: don't like what they're seeing, you know, And that makes
Speaker 7: it worse because now you've got to deal with you.
Speaker 1: I've heard this, you know, so I've heard this.
Speaker 7: I had so much fun.
Speaker 6: I thought I was a kid man in Disneyland, and
Speaker 6: I had free tickets for the older rides, and you know,
Speaker 6: because I wasn't afraid, and I was still not afraid.
Speaker 2: And you're a nice person, and I'm a nice person.
Speaker 3: Can I ask my second shared a question speaking of
Speaker 3: what you were just saying. With regards to taking answer,
Speaker 3: you said you played on a song called Pretty as
Speaker 3: You Feel with Jefferson Airplane in nineteen seventy one and
Speaker 3: played with with Yorma Calcn on that song. Can you
Speaker 3: tell us anything you remember about that session or about
Speaker 3: playing with Yorma?
Speaker 4: And do you still talk to Yorma.
Speaker 7: We haven't seen each other in a while.
Speaker 6: The last time we did something was think called Blues
Speaker 6: Forsavador with Jerry Garcia and Wayne Shorter and Bunny Ray No,
Speaker 6: I haven't seen.
Speaker 7: Him, you know.
Speaker 6: It was that was like a beautiful way for me
Speaker 6: to be accepted, because Santana wasn't totally accepted, you know,
Speaker 6: in the San Francisco scene, because we were rough.
Speaker 7: You know, we're from the Mission District and we're rough.
Speaker 6: We're not necessarily like groovy, fire out whatever, man, hippie.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 7: We were like, no, man, we don't you know.
Speaker 6: So it was different until I started smoking weed and
Speaker 6: taking LSD and I said, oh, yeah, now I know
Speaker 6: what they're talking about. Let's go to Montauo Pias and
Speaker 6: hang out with Quicksilver and the Greyfoot Dead and your
Speaker 6: Mine and Jack Cassidy.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: But in the beginning it was kind of like a
Speaker 6: rival conflict kind of thing, and basically basically because of
Speaker 6: there's a mentality of Marine County versus the Mission District
Speaker 6: in San Francisco, which is like like the Jets and
Speaker 6: the Sharks.
Speaker 4: Do you remember that session for that song.
Speaker 7: I think I smoked a lot of weed that day,
Speaker 7: so I don't know if I remember it.
Speaker 8: That everything else though you were a hope to stonech
Speaker 8: Y Goles.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, and it is a little
Speaker 1: further in the timeline, what do you recall about the
Speaker 1: song whatever happens with Michael Jackson that you played one.
Speaker 7: That is so sweet?
Speaker 8: Man?
Speaker 7: That was so sweet? They told me, hey, Michael, because
Speaker 7: at that time I was just supernatural. Everybody was calling,
Speaker 7: you know, Prince and Michael and everybody want to find
Speaker 7: out if we could interact, you know, in exchange, and uh,
Speaker 7: you know, uh being a fan of both Prince and
Speaker 7: Michael Jackson, I mean to the max you know who
Speaker 7: isn't you know? And uh, I mean I.
Speaker 6: Got like a bunch of stories to share with Prince,
Speaker 6: but I won't do it right now. But the way
Speaker 6: with Michael Jackson, I received this phone call and it
Speaker 6: was from his last arranger, producer h right now.
Speaker 7: I forget his name. He was the main guy, John.
Speaker 1: John Queen Lane.
Speaker 7: No, I don't think it.
Speaker 1: Was Jeremy Love was Jeremy Love it? No? What's his
Speaker 1: name from Philly? Uh? My guy? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Call an He called and they said they sent me
Speaker 6: the track and and then I played on it and
Speaker 6: and I was like, wow, you know, I'm just so
Speaker 6: honor you know that I'm able to uh be with
Speaker 6: Michael Jackson and with Prinds.
Speaker 7: We we we.
Speaker 6: We did a lot of things live, but we never
Speaker 6: recorded it. And same thing with Miles, you know. So
Speaker 6: I feel very validated and celebrated because well, it took
Speaker 6: him a long, long, long, long long time for the
Speaker 6: Grammys to acknowledge me and anything, and they finally give
Speaker 6: it to me with Supernatural, like you know, eight eleven
Speaker 6: nomination eleven nominations, and and I wanted the same and
Speaker 6: I won nine, uh Grammy's like Michael, you know. And
Speaker 6: what was really crazy is like likes like a supremel
Speaker 6: is the the last one?
Speaker 7: Is Bob Dylan.
Speaker 6: And Lauren Hill giving me the last one, you know,
Speaker 6: And here's Marry Belafonte and Wayne Shoulder and that's all
Speaker 6: I can see.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 7: I just see Wayne.
Speaker 6: Shoulder and Herry Belafonte and Bob Dylan and and I
Speaker 6: remember saying, I am so grateful, thank you for this
Speaker 6: beautiful night, long live John Coltrane and John Lee hook
Speaker 6: you know, because that's my foundation.
Speaker 7: John Lee is like he calls me and he says Carlos.
Speaker 6: I says, yes, John, He says, I loves God and
Speaker 6: I loves people, you know. And and he called me
Speaker 6: one time for his birthday and he says, I said, hello, hey, man,
Speaker 6: good to call me. Sometimes I says, are you doing,
Speaker 6: Johnny says a man.
Speaker 7: When I hear you your boys, it's like eating a
Speaker 7: great big piece of chocolate cake.
Speaker 5: And I have it.
Speaker 6: I recorded it, you know, because see I'm just I'm
Speaker 6: showing that right now.
Speaker 7: He goes, this is my validation, man, hooker. That's that's
Speaker 7: what Santana is about, you know, with a lot of
Speaker 7: drums for you.
Speaker 1: Okay. So I was going to say, when okay, we're
Speaker 1: going all over the timeline. Now this might as well
Speaker 1: just be rapid fire. Let's go. So the thing is,
Speaker 1: the thing is is that Okay, So in eighty five
Speaker 1: when Prince said, you know, like everyone keeps comparing to
Speaker 1: me to Hendricks, but that's basically because we have the
Speaker 1: same skin color. But they really listened to my work.
Speaker 1: They would clearly say that I'm from you know, the
Speaker 1: DNA of Santana, which is true. But this is what
Speaker 1: I want to know, especially with your work with both
Speaker 1: Lauren and why Cliff. And the thing is is that
Speaker 1: you know when you're on Zion, and the thing is
Speaker 1: is like, and I again, I know that that Marachi playing,
Speaker 1: you know, that's your roots and whatnot playing acoustic guitar. However,
Speaker 1: I'm almost are you worried that people aren't really grasping
Speaker 1: what your artistry is? Because the thing is is that
Speaker 1: and I'm not going into type casting, but if I'm
Speaker 1: getting Santana on my record, I would have probably had
Speaker 1: you do something that's closer to the guitar solo that's
Speaker 1: at the end of X Factor X Factor, which sounds
Speaker 1: I thought that was Santana when I heard that he
Speaker 1: was on the album, I thought that was him at
Speaker 1: d X factor. The thing is, because of you know,
Speaker 1: this is like CD streaming time. You know, you don't
Speaker 1: live with liner notes the way that you used to
Speaker 1: when it was cassettes and LPs. So I just always
Speaker 1: assumed that you weren't X factor. And then one day
Speaker 1: when I like just sat and read her liner notes,
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute, does she get to play
Speaker 1: acoustic guitar? Because like, oh, Mexican Santana give him to
Speaker 1: play acoustic And I was like, I wonder if she
Speaker 1: knows that his sound was really the sound of the
Speaker 1: song that came before that, and also with with the
Speaker 1: product beat GB and with y Cleft the same thing.
Speaker 1: Do you sometimes wonder an.
Speaker 2: Album, what's the song of me? Or what's the song
Speaker 2: I forget?
Speaker 1: What for Lay's album? Yeah, Lauren was Zion was Zion,
Speaker 1: but the one we're talking about is X factor. Yes, right,
Speaker 1: So what I'm just saying is that, you know, I
Speaker 1: was trying to over I was over as with everything.
Speaker 1: I overanalyzed it, and I was like, well, did they
Speaker 1: take him out of his normal comfort zone because they
Speaker 1: didn't want him to sound like Carlos Santana or did
Speaker 1: they just not know? Because I was just wondering, like,
Speaker 1: why would you have Carlo Santana just play acoustic guitar
Speaker 1: when he really would light up? Let me just start
Speaker 1: all over again. What was the creative process like when
Speaker 1: you did Lauren and when you work with y Cliff
Speaker 1: on your solo record and when you did a miseducation
Speaker 1: of Lauren Hill.
Speaker 7: Well, thank you for all that, you know, let me
Speaker 7: explain to you how I arrived at getting the sound.
Speaker 6: Okay, So there was a picnic in San Jose like
Speaker 6: around this summer, and I went there and there was
Speaker 6: a park, and in the park in the afternoon they
Speaker 6: were playing like a picnic. They were playing mariachi music.
Speaker 7: They were playing.
Speaker 6: Afro Cuban music, which is like chadanga Cha Cha cha
Speaker 6: Dan song Medenge you know from from Dominican Republican and
Speaker 6: guahitas like Ray Baretto. And then you have a rock
Speaker 6: and roll band, you know, like like a bunch of surfers,
Speaker 6: you know. So I'm hearing all music at the same time.
Speaker 6: When I got out of the car, I'm hearing three
Speaker 6: different sounds, and I went, oh, okay. So it's like
Speaker 6: it's just like grabbing all of it and making one sound.
Speaker 6: And so now when people they're still trying to define
Speaker 6: me sometimes and I just told him very politely, well,
Speaker 6: I am a multi dimensional motherfucker.
Speaker 1: It's a good part, okay.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that that or a Mexic MEXI C A N
Speaker 6: with capital C A N. But the reason I say that, man,
Speaker 6: is because I have the confidence after being with Tony
Speaker 6: and Herbie and Wayne and Miles and they invited me
Speaker 6: into their sanctune, you know, and all of them bb King,
Speaker 6: Freddie King, alber King, you know.
Speaker 7: So it has given me a confidence that all I
Speaker 7: need to do.
Speaker 6: Now is just compliment whatever gets in front of me,
Speaker 6: because I'm not going to let myself for anybody. So
Speaker 6: go encapsulate me or put me, define me, to redefine me, because.
Speaker 7: Let's go back to Bruce, Bruce Lee. Let's be let's
Speaker 7: just be water.
Speaker 8: You know, so Carlos Santana has never played a link
Speaker 8: that Carlos Santana ain't want to play and ain't plan
Speaker 8: out himself.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of artists that you know I would respect,
Speaker 6: but if they would call me, I would say, I'm
Speaker 6: kind of busy and thank you right now, but my
Speaker 6: plate is full and my fact I gotta do time
Speaker 6: with my family. And the only Crichaire that I wouldn't
Speaker 6: played with someone is if I don't feel it. If
Speaker 6: I don't feel it, I'm not going to play.
Speaker 1: I was asking just from the standpoint of Okay, for example,
Speaker 1: I'm probably guilty of the same thing myself, not because
Speaker 1: I told him to do this, but because this is
Speaker 1: what we chose to use. But the one time that
Speaker 1: we worked with Prince on the record, Prince only played keyboards,
Speaker 1: which you know, it's almost like Wow, you got Prince
Speaker 1: to play on an album that you produced and he
Speaker 1: didn't touch the guitar once you got him to play
Speaker 1: like you got him to play tambourine like that sort
Speaker 1: of thing. And I just I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just felt like, once I found out that you
Speaker 1: weren't playing in your the signature style that I know
Speaker 1: you for, I was just wondering why they didn't use
Speaker 1: that to the hilt on those particular records. But granted, yes,
Speaker 1: your water and you can't be type cast and there's
Speaker 1: nothing that you don't do that's not you, So I
Speaker 1: respect that.
Speaker 6: You know the whole thing about this in this interview,
Speaker 6: you can just summarize it in two words.
Speaker 1: Hit me.
Speaker 7: Impeccable integrity.
Speaker 6: That's it, you know, because everybody that I love they
Speaker 6: have that sound of impeccable integrity.
Speaker 7: And with that sound you get a standing ovation from.
Speaker 6: God, the angels, and the devil that was that is
Speaker 6: there is such a thing. I don't believe in Satan, Lucifer,
Speaker 6: in the devil, you know, I believe in e g Oh.
Speaker 6: I believe that ego is creates, you know, the Boogeyman
Speaker 6: and wolf In and Dracula enough. But since I'm of
Speaker 6: a spiritual adult, that stuff don't bother me. You know,
Speaker 6: I never seen the Exorcise, and I don't want to
Speaker 6: because I don't. I don't want to soult my my
Speaker 6: subtle nerves watching stupid movies that that people sell to
Speaker 6: sell you fear. There see, not people selling you fear
Speaker 6: in every channel already, you know. So I go when
Speaker 6: I when when when I When I'm thirsty, you know,
Speaker 6: when I'm thirsty, I go to Coltrane immediately, and Miles
Speaker 6: on the corner, you know, on the corner is like, man,
Speaker 6: it's you know, it's what's New York City on the
Speaker 6: court right now?
Speaker 1: Oh wait, there's one question I do have to ask
Speaker 1: you about your your seventies catalog. One of my favorite
Speaker 1: record of yours is uh boar boor letter.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now for for that period of your life, what is
Speaker 1: what is the creative process that leads to the crafting
Speaker 1: other songs? Is it just you guys jamming? Like is
Speaker 1: it done Bitch's Bruce style where you just play whatever
Speaker 1: is in your heart and then you edit later Like
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not certain who does your editing or whatever?
Speaker 1: Like you're whoever your t O is, like, is it
Speaker 1: is it pre planned? Our songs pre written or are
Speaker 1: you guys just jamming like spontaneously.
Speaker 7: We just jammed spontaneously.
Speaker 6: We didn't have the knife yet, so we never knew
Speaker 6: how to edit back then, you know. And I take
Speaker 6: pride in saying, most of the stuff that I ever
Speaker 6: done is the one take. If I got to if
Speaker 6: I got to go to the second or third take,
Speaker 6: let's go to another.
Speaker 1: Song, you know.
Speaker 6: So so the one take allows me to feel confident
Speaker 6: that I called and Doogu to play drums, and Stanley
Speaker 6: Clark and our mom Paassa and airto you know. And
Speaker 6: because I can read how people look at you. Man,
Speaker 6: if they don't want to be in the room and
Speaker 6: they don't feel like they want to play with me,
Speaker 6: then they won't. But I can see when somebody says,
Speaker 6: this is going to be interesting. Let's see what Santana
Speaker 6: want to go? You know, do do do do do
Speaker 6: do do do do the damn. So I'm thinking Pharaoh Sanders,
Speaker 6: you know, I'm thinking the things that I love, man,
Speaker 6: Pharaoh Sanders, weather Report, you know. And so when we
Speaker 6: when we hit it, I just we just gave him
Speaker 6: a little sketch of uh of a clue and then
Speaker 6: we hit it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that said, how are you able to miraculously
Speaker 1: at least engage in the patience factor with your respective
Speaker 1: label bosses, with Clyde Davis and with Walter Yett in
Speaker 1: a cough in terms of sticking to your artistic vision,
Speaker 1: artistic vision and not giving into what I'm clear that
Speaker 1: every time you play them, this is the final album
Speaker 1: where they're telling you, please just one, just just work
Speaker 1: with this one songwriter so you can have a top
Speaker 1: ten hit. Please just one more, please one you know,
Speaker 1: but evil ways or whatever like how because these these
Speaker 1: albums are closer, it's closer to on the corner live
Speaker 1: evil bitches brew like you're in that creative zone. So
Speaker 1: how are you able to sustain that that magic at
Speaker 1: least for the two decades that you were with UH,
Speaker 1: with Sony Columbia Okay, with.
Speaker 6: The exception of Clive and Bill Grant in a Chris
Speaker 6: from the gentleman who produced Bob.
Speaker 1: Marley, right, Okay, so Chris Black.
Speaker 6: Black Okay, with the obsession a few brothers like that,
Speaker 6: while people like Walter, Yeah, I don't know where sad Faid,
Speaker 6: I don't care so what people like that. I have
Speaker 6: an attitude that I say, I'm going to be here
Speaker 6: long after you're gone, okay, because I seen nine of
Speaker 6: you come and go. I'm still here, you know, and
Speaker 6: so I'm going to do what I'm going to do.
Speaker 6: And you can either uh. And I went to this
Speaker 6: stuff with Donnie Roner and a bunch of a bunch of.
Speaker 7: CEO.
Speaker 6: So whatever you know, because I tell and I tell
Speaker 6: him straight up. Man, there's artists and con artists, and
Speaker 6: I know who I am and you know who you are.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I don't have to say let me do this, because no,
Speaker 6: I'm just saying I'm going to do this. And if
Speaker 6: you don't like it, well then I just be here
Speaker 6: and with another record company, you know, And you can
Speaker 6: talk to my lawyer and Bill Graham or whatever you know,
Speaker 6: but you have to have a certain conviction determination that
Speaker 6: you're bigger than the company.
Speaker 5: Oh damn, y'all hear that?
Speaker 1: Dude? Man, this this might have to put Matthew Knowles
Speaker 1: in second place. I mean, I respect, this might be
Speaker 1: this might be my all time favorite interview.
Speaker 2: That's such an education and so many subjects.
Speaker 1: Thank you, no, no, please? Why the p r S.
Speaker 1: I feel like the woodstock was the s G and
Speaker 1: the Gibson stuff, and you're so defined by that sound
Speaker 1: of the pr S. Why why is that?
Speaker 7: Because it stays in tune and it seems really good
Speaker 7: the SG.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a bigger answer than that. But
Speaker 1: if it's just that, that's cool, Okay.
Speaker 6: The SG neck, That's what I was saying that it
Speaker 6: was like playing an electric snake because it was like
Speaker 6: it was moving around like a snake when I was
Speaker 6: playing it, and you see me making ugly faces. I'm
Speaker 6: trying to make it stand still, you know, because that
Speaker 6: because the neck of the guitar is literally moving kind
Speaker 6: of like this. So so so I used to out
Speaker 6: of tune a lot, and so I said, man, I
Speaker 6: need to have one more time.
Speaker 7: I need to have confidence.
Speaker 6: That my guitar is going to behave So I stopped
Speaker 6: playing the sge's because the neck wasn't conducive to being
Speaker 6: in tune as I wanted to.
Speaker 7: So I got the less pole, and after the less pole,
Speaker 7: I went to Yamaha.
Speaker 6: And after Yamaha, I went to Paul rees Smith came
Speaker 6: to me and very graciously said, hey, man, I made
Speaker 6: this guitar, but right now, everything else the guitar player
Speaker 6: he belongs to heart. You know, there's the group hard
Speaker 6: but I'm going to send it to you for a
Speaker 6: week and you can't have it. You can just play
Speaker 6: it and if you like it, then I'll make you one.
Speaker 6: And so I love people with conviction and determination, and
Speaker 6: I liked it so much. I've been with him since
Speaker 6: seventy eight, seventy nine.
Speaker 1: How many access do you own? Or is that just.
Speaker 7: I don't know?
Speaker 1: It's in the gajillions story.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, I on's they gets through like fifty
Speaker 6: I get rid of them and I get I donate them,
Speaker 6: you know, to feed people here in Las Vegas, or
Speaker 6: to do this for schools like you were saying, you know,
Speaker 6: or hospitals or whatever, because uh, I don't want to
Speaker 6: pay insurance on something that I don't play.
Speaker 2: Then think about it like that.
Speaker 1: Damn, now you're making me feel bad.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: I'm still keeping my drum sets.
Speaker 8: How do you navigate with the culturally or with the
Speaker 8: African continent. It's so interesting because I'm wondering, like with
Speaker 8: all the different sounds, all the different cultures all the
Speaker 8: different countries. And mind you you you're dealing with other
Speaker 8: cultures and stuff outside of the continent. But how do
Speaker 8: you navigate and through finding and discovering sound in that
Speaker 8: huge continent?
Speaker 2: And have you navigated it fully? Do you feel like
Speaker 2: you have?
Speaker 7: Thank you for asking that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's my favorite subject in music, which is the drums.
Speaker 6: The drum is the best. If you would, I swear
Speaker 6: to you, if we would just make it possible for
Speaker 6: the drums to be in the hood of Pabela, the
Speaker 6: barrio and the shanty towns, you know, you wouldn't need psychiatrists, therapists, anlins,
Speaker 6: pips or drug dealers, you know, because once you play
Speaker 6: the drums.
Speaker 12: Being kink competing kink, once you get into it, it's
Speaker 12: like you said, your DNA you remember that is the language,
Speaker 12: the language of light, you know.
Speaker 7: So I would remind doing we brought the.
Speaker 6: Quest a mission, you know, to bring the drums back
Speaker 6: to the hood. We close up as we close up
Speaker 6: the parks, you know, and with the fences, and we
Speaker 6: put police in there. One way in, one way out, okay,
Speaker 6: and you get a ticket when you come in and
Speaker 6: you have a gun, you get a ticket.
Speaker 7: You know, they put it. You know, we put the
Speaker 7: gun over there, and we'll give you a ticket, you know.
Speaker 6: And there's like about fifty sixty drums and badass drummer player.
Speaker 6: And then you have one drummer conga player dressed up
Speaker 6: like a police you know, so so they can feel comfortable,
Speaker 6: and he's playing his ass up, you know. And so
Speaker 6: one after that, not only have that they're playing. You
Speaker 6: say to them, okay, man uh if before you go,
Speaker 6: if you like the drum, you can take the drum,
Speaker 6: leave the gun. So we call it drums for guns, okay.
Speaker 6: And once we have enough guns, we melt them and
Speaker 6: we turn them into this beautiful angel.
Speaker 5: With a frow, you know, beautiful angel with a frow
Speaker 5: with a.
Speaker 7: Frow in Congas in Congus. You know, I like that.
Speaker 1: You just had a download right now. Man, Hey, it's
Speaker 1: in the world now drums drums for guns. I might
Speaker 1: have to do that. I might have to do that.
Speaker 2: That sounds like an initiative, okay.
Speaker 6: Invitation, And it's an invitation to do something that the
Speaker 6: police need to have. Because once we get the drums
Speaker 6: and people and we say we go to the mayor
Speaker 6: and say we need for you to allow the drums
Speaker 6: to be played from eleven in the afternoon.
Speaker 1: New York needs this bad.
Speaker 7: You know. And and and in certain parks where people
Speaker 7: can just.
Speaker 1: This is an issue right now in New York City
Speaker 1: because because of gentrification, a lot of spots in Brooklyn
Speaker 1: that I mean those parks that those parks that uh
Speaker 1: you know that were known for their Sunday Saturday all
Speaker 1: day drums.
Speaker 8: The next parksne has been stopped.
Speaker 9: Yes, in Prospect Park they stop that. Well, yeah, I
Speaker 9: think we still have our drum circle Prospers.
Speaker 1: You have it. But I'm seeing a lot of like
Speaker 1: you know, the first instance of carringing, always complaints of like.
Speaker 8: That's happened all over the country. It already happened in
Speaker 8: d They turned the park from.
Speaker 1: Why you asked the question before I got to ask
Speaker 1: my follow up question with your guitar is is there
Speaker 1: a seminal guitar that you'll always keep, like your woodstock
Speaker 1: guitar or your are you sentimental with with with your
Speaker 1: your children or it's just like you know, what you get,
Speaker 1: you get and then the rest just wind up in
Speaker 1: storage or you give them away.
Speaker 6: I got two three main quarterbacks, but I'm not attached emotionally.
Speaker 1: You too, Kirk, Yeah, No, I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't let sentimentality or my ego tell me that
Speaker 6: I can't do it without this. No, I can grab
Speaker 6: any guitar as long as the stays of tune and
Speaker 6: and it sounds like you know, just like you.
Speaker 7: You're going to sound like you and your drums.
Speaker 6: Cindy's gonna sound like Cydy on her drums, although she
Speaker 6: prefers gredge only.
Speaker 1: I see, I see.
Speaker 9: I'm today just just to get into the mood for tonight.
Speaker 9: It's been a long time, but I listened.
Speaker 7: To Europa.
Speaker 1: Earth's Cry Heaven Smile.
Speaker 9: Way back, even before I met the Roots. That was
Speaker 9: like a song that I would always go to for
Speaker 9: inspiration and still remains an inspiration to this day for me, I.
Speaker 1: Haven't heard a long time.
Speaker 9: I listened to today on the subway, and I kid
Speaker 9: you not, I'm sure it has a lot to do
Speaker 9: with things in this life.
Speaker 1: I'm growing you. But I wept. I wept openly on
Speaker 1: the subway listening to that song.
Speaker 9: So I thank you for that moment. And the other
Speaker 9: side of that, I want to know what h what
Speaker 9: guitar was that what what app what do you remember?
Speaker 9: What combination was? This is the version that was from Moonflower.
Speaker 1: Okay you remember, yeah it was.
Speaker 6: It was the last poll that Neil Shawn and I
Speaker 6: got at the same time at Don Weir's music shop
Speaker 6: that was kind of like the Manny's of San Francisco,
Speaker 6: and I was fleeing. I was playing to a twin,
Speaker 6: straight up, straight up to a twin, you know. But
Speaker 6: the song, the melody came from watching somebody next to me.
Speaker 6: She was she was she was gonna have a bad
Speaker 6: acid trip, you know, and so she was starting to
Speaker 6: freak out and get her get get like a little
Speaker 6: not little, a lot, really really paranoid.
Speaker 7: So I went, Bam, do do dude, The mushroom Ladies
Speaker 7: coming to town. So it's a song about a mushroom lady,
Speaker 7: which is a shaman.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: I never put the lyrics on it, but my face
Speaker 6: everyone is got to Barbieria.
Speaker 7: He got to Barberia and played an incredible version of
Speaker 7: Oh yeah he My mother told me, I don't want
Speaker 7: to hurt your feelings, but I like his version better
Speaker 7: than yours. I said, thanks a.
Speaker 1: Lot, Mom.
Speaker 4: Wow, did you ever play with Gatto?
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, we played in Chicago and uh we played
Speaker 6: a couple of times. Man, he knew I love him,
Speaker 6: I adore him. I adore him. And Pharaoh Sanders they
Speaker 6: both got that sound.
Speaker 7: You know that sound.
Speaker 6: But hey man, before I leave, I do want to
Speaker 6: let you know that I'm going to invite you to
Speaker 6: please know that I'm going to do my best to
Speaker 6: put this thing Jubilation an album for sany chirak only,
Speaker 6: you know, with the baddest guitar players out there. And
Speaker 6: I'm and I feel really really enthusiastic about it. You know,
Speaker 6: when you feel enthusiastic, you get a lot of energy.
Speaker 6: So I want to honor and celebrate my brother Sonny
Speaker 6: shir Rock because I totally adore him.
Speaker 1: Thank you, so thank you, thank you for doing our show.
Speaker 1: You dropped a lot of knowledge on us. Yeah it
Speaker 1: was and you know we're we're gobsmack because this is
Speaker 1: totally out of the format that we've ever done this show.
Speaker 1: But thank you forever you drop knowledge. And now I
Speaker 1: want to drop something question.
Speaker 6: Look Supreme, we all drop a yes, yes, put John
Speaker 6: and left Supreme and you be all right.
Speaker 2: I believe that.
Speaker 8: Can I just apologize to everybody, because this should have
Speaker 8: happened a while ago.
Speaker 2: But Carlo's true story.
Speaker 8: I saw you and Cindy and Cafe Gratitude down the
Speaker 8: street from my house like about a year ago, and
Speaker 8: I froze and I couldn't speak.
Speaker 2: So I'm glad everything happens for a reason.
Speaker 1: It's always big up.
Speaker 8: To Leo and Aaron for making this happen, because make
Speaker 8: sure it happened a little sooner. But y'all look amazing together.
Speaker 8: It's just a beautiful rock and roll fucking.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. This is a quest love Supreme Kirk,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for joining us. Pleasure, Pleasure Captain.
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