WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Carlos Santana 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:09.120 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. What happened 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:13.520 to the role Call? Yo? Yeah right? Okay, latency has 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:16.959 has done us all. Never mind, never mind exactly just 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:18.120 see imagine fallon. 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:19.320 Are we look at for solution? 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:24.840 Yes we are, Ladies and gentlemen. Let me let me 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:31.920 attest that twenty twenty one is the Yeah, I'm declaring it. 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:36.279 Twenty twenty one is the year of miracles. And I 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:40.800 wanted this platform, this Quest Love Supreme platform, so that 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:44.440 not you know, not only the people, for myself. I 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:50.360 wanted to receive the holy scrolls of wisdom from the gods. 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.720 And let me just say, be careful for what you 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:59.280 ask for, because I will declare today on you know 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:03.520 this recording, that my God is definitely a god of abundance, 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:06.840 as this year is clearly shown, he has delivered to 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:13.520 us today one of the most influential creatives in music, 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:17.840 not a music god, not a veteran, not no, just 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:22.880 absolutely one of the most unique influential creatives and music. 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:28.039 And it's super super super rare that we get to 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:33.920 speak to someone with with with over five decades of 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:41.360 excellence under their belt, no exception. Ladies and gentlemen, please 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:48.040 welcome to questlof Supreme the one and only Carlos Humberto 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:58.640 Santana Card. Yes, exactly, how are you? I should also 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:02.680 note a case I dig into the comments on on 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:06.360 our various platforms, on YouTube and on I G and 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:10.640 Twitter and whatnot, and I noticed that whenever we have 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:16.320 an axe master or an axe god or just any 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:21.400 other instrumental god that's not drum related, I don't go 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.679 that deep into their craft. And I will admit that 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:30.079 I am. I'm not that well versed in asking super 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:35.200 deep questions in terms of guitarists. So that said, this 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:41.480 is a rare Uh. Now we're we're a sixum once again. 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:46.959 We have Laya with us, we have Fontigelow, we have 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:52.680 Sugar Steve unpaid bill, and I decided last minute to 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:59.600 ask my guitarist from the roots. Uh captain, I'm super 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:04.240 cap here. Yeah. I wanted the captain here just so 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.840 that I don't leave any stone unturned, because you know, 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:08.600 when we have Pat and Fanny on the show, or 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.080 even when we had Jack White Cats asked me like, well, 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:13.560 how come you to ask him about like types of 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:17.320 strings he used or that like sort of the jargon 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.280 that I wouldn't know to ask. I wanted to make 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.920 sure that you know we we satisfy you nerds. So 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.360 that's that's all. So welcome. Also, Captain Kirk to the 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:29.160 to the podcast. Okay, actually, Steve, do you want to 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:30.919 start with your question first? Oh? 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:35.520 Well, I narrowed down my thousand questions to two, but 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:39.000 they don't really belong at the top of the interview. 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:44.080 But if you want, I got Steve's real first question 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.560 was hilarious to me. And no, we're not going to 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:51.000 ask that. I will say that, Oh you me to 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:57.440 do the joke. Let me try it. Let me try it. 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.600 It's only a joke because your your career is so 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:01.600 long and distinguished. 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.440 That no, you don't have to explain it, I say it. 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:08.960 So what was it like to work with Rob Thomas? 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:15.520 Anyway? So time out for a new record. 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:17.120 I'm on a new record that joint bang it. 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:19.800 I know I know this, I know we love him. 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:21.480 We're just it's just Santaich. 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.480 That's that was our first thing. But we start, we 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:28.080 start from the top. And actually normally I ask about 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:32.000 your origins, but I always wanted to know this. The 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.520 answer to this question. The first hour of your morning, 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:37.360 what do you do? 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:41.080 Oh well, it's so joy and honor to be here 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.599 with all of you all in the first thing. 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:47.200 That first thing that I do before my feet touched. 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:55.760 The ground, I uh, I totally connect ignite gratitude because 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:59.680 I understand completely that everything that I love about John Coltrane, 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.520 people that I love, love, you know, with supreme and 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:11.080 impeccable integrity. There's a there's there's grace and graces. It's 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.440 like May Angela said, grace is all around us, but 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:15.520 we're the one to have to get in it, you know. 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:20.440 And so for me, you can access and utilize grace, 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.440 which with grace you can create miracles and blessings and 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:24.400 do the impossible. 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:25.440 Uh. 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.760 I want to access grace every morning. 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.359 So the first thing that I do, I make my 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:36.360 mind in my heart be one thousand percent with gratitude. 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:40.240 Thank you for my next breath, Thank you for my wife. 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:48.160 You know, I love drummers so much. I'm married, Yes, yes, yes, 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.320 you know. But the main again, the main, main thing 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.240 for me is those two components, grace and gratitude. With 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:59.200 that you can actually create the impossible, you know, you 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:02.560 can make the ambusiness will tangible, you know. And so 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:08.239 once you understand that what Shamans and people like Jesus 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:12.599 and Shamans, they could create alchemy from wine, from white 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:14.479 to from water to wine. 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.640 Well, the alchemy that we musicians. 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:22.960 You know, we make people happy because most people are 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.960 not happy unless they're miserable. And so we rescue people 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:30.719 from themselves by sound, rest and as vibration, a melody 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.360 and a rhythm. It makes people believe that they also 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:37.720 are worthy to receive directly from God, you know, so 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:41.000 we get rid of the wretched sinner stuff. You get 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:44.120 rid of that that you know, unworthy of God's grace. 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.520 We get rid of that. You know, when we're playing 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:51.000 music and we invite people to claim your divinity, it's 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:52.760 not arrogant, it's not cynical. 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.000 It's imperative that you. 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:59.080 Claim your divinity so you can get close to John 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:04.080 Coltrane and and Herbie and the genius genius genius. 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:06.200 Yeah, because that's what they did. 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:10.560 I knew that was the answer, and I wanted to 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.000 give y'all a preview of what I'm going to be 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:14.880 like in about five years from now. 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.520 Right, Yeah, that's goals. 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:32.160 No, you know what, because especially the period after the 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:37.160 period after the third alt the third record, especially starting 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:44.000 with with like the caravans Hurai the album. I don't know. 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.280 For me, I felt the need to ask you that 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:52.000 only because because there's such a spiritual element to those runs, 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:56.000 that run of records between seventy two and seventy eight 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:01.120 that you know, I felt my heart that you know, 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:06.480 you're more closer to to I should have introduced you 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:11.600 as a shaman more than just a musician or or 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:12.280 that sort of thing. 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.160 Because in that gratitude, what does that look like, Carlos, Like, 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:16.080 is that meditation? 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:17.960 Is that just a moment just to sit? 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:23.840 And what gratitude to me looks like where I live now? 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.000 I mean I live in Las Vegas, but I also 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:32.080 live in Kawhi, and gratitude is a rainbow talking to me. 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:36.400 There's so many rainbows in Kawhi, and they're specifically the 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.760 ones that are so loud they go. 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:43.199 That they're hummed. 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:48.880 This rainbows are so alive, they hum And I was 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:53.960 watching one early early this year, and and like it 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:55.880 tapped me on the shoulder, like turn around, and because 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:59.080 I was turned around, like oh, and it's this, this 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:02.080 rainbow as clear as I can see your face, and 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.640 this rainbow goes you see me? And I said, yeah, 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:09.840 I see you. He says, you know who I am? 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:13.360 He says, yeah, you got and he goes, that's right. 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.600 And you know what I says, what he says, I'm 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:23.000 looking at you too. That's grace. That's grace, you know, 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.080 because all of us need to be validated, you know, 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:28.199 everyone in this planet needs to be validated and celebrated 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:32.400 because God created this in his image, you know. So 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.760 I'm very very grateful that you of for be this 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:40.280 platform because the things that I love most in this planet, 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:46.040 besides the connection with a supreme being, is spirituality, sensuality 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:50.440 in African music, that's it, you know, because all three 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:55.080 of them offer me adore to totality and. 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:58.240 Completeness and infinity. 0:09:58.640 --> 0:09:58.840 You know. 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:00.720 You know when you play as solo. 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:04.880 And gravity disappears and time disappears and you go into 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:08.560 this zone the basketball players call it the zone, it's 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:12.240 called grace, called grace. When you get into that grace 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.480 and you you know, you don't even remember what you 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:18.800 did after you played it. That's what real musicians got 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:22.720 to turn the other musicians who be posing and captain 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:26.559 and giving and shocking and giving. You know, no, no, no, no, no, 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:29.520 look man, you can do better than that. Go deeper 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:35.640 and access that thing that you're beyond time. When when 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:39.080 every time you listen to a John Coltrane, I Love Supreme. 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.800 I play this music and every hotel that I get into, 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:49.640 why to clean whatever happened the night before? Why you know, yeah, 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.800 whatever whatever happened, whatever they did, I put I Love 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.240 Supreme a lot of some insense that I got from 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.280 Alice Coltrane, and that room is mine when I go 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:05.000 Sonic stage, Yeah, wow, purifies John culture and music is 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:08.520 a If they would play this on CNN, the world 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:11.800 would not be so infected with fear and separation. 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:13.040 Dude. 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.520 But but you know, here's. 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:21.920 The thing, right, yeah, damn not not to totally all 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:27.079 right this This platform was meant to like review someone's history, 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:29.760 but I got to stay here for just a little 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.880 bit longer, only because the reason why I was excited 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:38.120 to talk to you is because, like I'm slowly starting 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:42.679 my transformation into what they call doing the work, you know, 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:47.040 like the pandemic forced us to do the work. And 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.880 I was like in a really really dark place where 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:53.360 I wasn't enjoying my creativity. I was squandering it. And 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:58.120 it took not working last year for me to actually 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.880 you know, like previously, if you if you were to 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:06.320 say this to me in twenty eighteen, I would quickly 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.360 be like on group chat with them, like Okay, what 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:10.200 drug is he on? 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:10.440 Right? 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:14.120 You know, like when people just think like ah, spiritual 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.160 people were crazy whatever. But it's like I had I 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:21.800 had a moment where you know, this is I'm just 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:26.240 a year intwo this where everything that you're saying, I 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.920 absolutely believe, Like you gotta wake up, you gotta wake 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.640 up in gratitude, you gotta meditate in the morning. Things 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:33.280 I used to laugh at. And you know, I tell 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.400 people all the time like I'm literally morphing to the 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:39.520 human being. I used to laugh at because for some reason, 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:46.000 I you know, I guess you're when you're most Black 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:50.240 people in America, especially like my generation, like church is 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.719 more of like an oppressive religious organizy, Like they never 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:59.199 teach spirituality. And I'm just learning that now, like at 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.960 this stage of my life, the second stage in my life, 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.200 and you know, it's really good. I'm I'm I'm I'm 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:10.080 happy to get talked, to talk to a musician that 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:13.920 basically uses their their their art for that because you know, 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:18.120 you can clearly hear like I hear the work of 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:24.120 Coltrane and and that spirituality in in your work. And 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:28.880 you know, I always wanted to know, like how how 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:31.480 to clive and especially like Walter Yett in a cough, 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:36.120 how do they receive you? Because normally with with with uh, 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:41.280 you know, other label heads, it's either like hamming my 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.080 hits or you know, you get dropped from the label 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.880 and you got to go elsewhere and whatnot. And yet 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:50.000 like Columbia sat by you for the for the longest 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.160 and so they and they let you find your spirituality. 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:58.360 So I was always curious as to how how you 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:02.000 were allowed to explore those things and not sort of 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.880 succumbed to the pressure. I mean, there were occasional disco 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.880 moments in seventy eight and whatnot. But you know, like, 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:14.120 was it hard navigating the spirituality that you have and 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:19.640 also you know, remaining a brand name musician in terms 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:25.120 of being a product and being spiritual at the same time, It. 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:28.840 Wasn't hard at all for me because I didn't used 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.520 as I was a child that this is for me 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:33.600 it's a way of life. It's not a profession. It's 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:35.920 not a gig or a job. It's a way of life. 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.360 We started with the Beatrolla, the records, the A track, 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.400 the says, the CDs. You know, those to me are 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:47.480 like faucets. It is the water. Music is the water, 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:51.240 the living water. So Clyde Davis, Bill Graham and Clyde 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:55.520 Davis when they met me, they realized that I wasn't pedestrian. 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:01.880 I wasn't necessarily a destrian guy. And what do I 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:05.640 mean by that, well, pedestrian guy kind of they settle 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:10.680 for you dangle money and they kind of jump over 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:14.160 like a little poodle, you jump over things. And they 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:21.800 realize that was priceless. Me as committing career suicide. I'm 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:26.160 going to go after John Coltrane, Weather Report, Miles Davis, 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:28.800 and they said, but man, there's over the Miles Davis 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:29.360 and Weather Report. 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:29.760 Whatever. 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:31.960 I know, but I need to learn something from them 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:35.560 and teach the youngsters this because I can't just constantly 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.280 keep doing or you came by and a bracxis in 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:41.480 or supernatural or whatever you know. By the grace of 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:45.360 God again, I'm able to reach the four corners of 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.480 the world, in touch many people's hearts, and you know, 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.240 like Tony Williams says, once you sell one record, you're 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:54.600 commercial because you sold one record, you know. So I 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.760 don't I don't look at like being commercial like a 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:03.040 negative thing. I look at pretty much life the way 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:06.440 the ones that I love and I adore, like Arthur Ash, 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:10.560 Bruce Lee and Coltrane. People who Bruce Lee be like 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:15.320 water and cloud and cloud and ocean, a lake, baptop. 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:17.560 You know. So what does that mean. 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:19.800 It means that you have the capacity to be a 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:24.320 multidimensional spirit that can play anywhere with anyone in complement. 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.280 So when I go to Africa, they know who I am. 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:29.920 When I go to Ireland, they know who I am. 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.360 When I go to Japan or New Zealand, they know 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.560 who I am. And they know who I am because 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.360 they play our music in their living room with grandma 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:38.920 and Grandpa and the little kids. 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.720 Man. You know, that's when you enter a whole other 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:42.720 realm of like. 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:50.280 Wow, I go to Paris and the gentleman who's helping 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:53.600 us with the luggage and whatever, he says, Santana, I 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:56.600 go Hi, he says, and then he points he says, 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:58.520 he points out, Just tell me, he goes. My wife, 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:04.840 Sophia a big partner. Sophia. You know she got pregnant. 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:07.600 My wife got pregnant when we were listening to your album, 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.440 you know, like some material, so you. 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.840 Know, and I get that all over the world. 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:17.520 So it means that your music resident sounds vibration is 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:22.440 able to impregnate not only women, but men to believe 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:29.520 that they can achieve beyond what religious books or institutions 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:32.080 or governments tell them to do. You're, at the most 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:36.639 you are a multi dimensional being. Let me say it 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:41.639 really clearly like this, You cannot behave appropriately unless you 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:42.600 perceive correctly. 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:47.520 Once you perceive. A more time, you cannot behave appropriately 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:52.000 unless you perceive correctly. Once you perceive. You are a 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.560 beam of light that comes from the mind of God. 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:56.480 You carry yourself differently. 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:04.480 Where does all this come from? 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:06.320 I mean, I know, at some point of Mayor you're 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:07.760 gonna go, well, let's start at the beginning. 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.080 But I am so shocking. 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:16.320 I don't even want to start the interview yet, le 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.359 Bret Sandtown to keep going. Where does this? 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:21.800 Where did this light come from? What was it a day? 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:26.080 Was it a moment like or was it a week, 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:27.600 a month, a study? 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:29.600 Where does it come from? 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:29.679 Like? 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:30.480 What was the moment? 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:32.840 From being thirsty? 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:36.000 You know, I'm always thirsty for adventure and I'm not 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:39.399 afraid of the unknown or unpredictability. I knew that I 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:44.239 that my first band with the first three albums, we 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:46.520 knew that it was fragmented, and some people want to 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.000 do journeys, some people want to do something else and whatever, 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:53.480 And so I started reading the Oranda book and listened 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:57.640 to Coltrane only so so I listened to the Auranda book. 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.879 Later on I got introduced to j who text books 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:03.560 and I'll show you what they are, and also and 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.959 also a course in miracles. All these books that are 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:09.159 going to introduce you to they have what you call 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:16.560 nowadays spiritual data and how to transform your monkeness and 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:23.600 your donkeiness into an archangel energy knowing knowledge, because you know, 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:27.359 sometimes we act like monkeys and donkeys, you know, which 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:31.879 means you succumb to what people say. Well, you know, 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:37.240 it's human nature. Yeah, but it doesn't have to be corny, cute, 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:41.399 clever and predictable. I could be a human being and 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:46.280 still say I'm going to play a melody that it's 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.280 going to make people cry and laugh at the same time. 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:55.879 Why because they are at a molecular level, they remember 0:19:56.240 --> 0:20:01.399 that they also have this gift in vie, a gift 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:05.399 before we came out of the womb, imbued to create 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:09.760 blessings and miracles. That's what music is about. The show business, 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:14.320 their entertainment, and then there's music to really elevate, transform, 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.960 and illumine the human consciousness of this planets. So we 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:19.840 don't have the stuff that's been having for the last 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:24.840 two years. Fear and separation and superiority and racism. All 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:25.879 that stuff counts. 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:29.080 For one word, fear. Fear. 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:31.800 And that's why I play culture in all the time 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.680 because as soon as I play I Love Supreme, fear 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:38.919 disappears immediately in the room. 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:42.840 Wow, Okay, now I gotta go into the first question. 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.199 Okay, Now, will you tell us what it was like 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:47.440 to work with Thomas? 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:55.080 All right, can you tell me what was your first 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:56.360 musical memory? 0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:01.680 My dad, my father, we were in a in a 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:05.840 yard in the backyard in outlan Halisco, small little town, 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:08.919 and it was like five o'clock in the afternoon. Everything 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:11.200 kind of gives gold, you know, when the sound goes down. 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:14.199 Everything looks golden. And my father he was over there 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:16.120 teaching me how to read and one of me teaching 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:18.320 me how to play the violin. So he happened, opened 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:21.360 up the violin case, grab the violin, put it, put 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.280 it up here like this, and then he goes meta, 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:25.480 which means look meta. 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:26.480 Then he went. 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:32.360 And I'm like what And then a bird comes over. 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:34.680 There's a little lands lanes on this street, and he 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:41.560 was he goes, best, do you see? He goes as 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:42.680 one more time. 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:47.159 Bird. 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:51.120 If you can talk to the birds, you can talk 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:52.520 to people. Get it. 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:54.800 And I was like, d. 0:21:57.720 --> 0:21:59.439 That's crazy. My daddy do that too. 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:03.760 He talked the bird really yeah, wow, And. 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:06.960 See why don't you talk to Charlie bird? That's bird parking. 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:08.440 You're on a hale on the land. 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:17.240 So your father was a violinist, yes, okay, okay? Oh? 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:19.480 Also what what where were you born? 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:25.119 I was born in outland Jalisco. It's a little town 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:30.439 in between Gualalajada and Puerto Bayta. If you blink you 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:33.959 missed it. Okay, It's very small. 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:38.040 And how long how long did you stay there? Like 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:40.280 what was your family situation? Like did you have brothers 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:43.080 and sisters or was it a musical family. 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:47.720 Yes, thank you for asking. From forty seven, where I 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:48.440 was born. 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:51.439 Till fifty five, we left because my mom was the 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:54.280 one that would always say those obamas, which means we're 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:57.159 out of here, you know, because my dad was already 0:22:57.160 --> 0:23:00.680 living in Tijuana and sending us money from from Tijuana, 0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:02.720 you know, because they got really hard to make a 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:05.680 living and outline howlice go for my dad and feed 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:09.159 four sisters and two brothers, and my mom and the 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:10.960 lady who was working with us. So it was a 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:15.000 lot of people to feed. And so my mom says, 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:15.720 we're out of here. 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:15.960 You know. 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:18.719 Your dad sent me some money to kind of like, 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:22.440 you know, make up and console me because they haven't. 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:23.440 Seen me for almost like a year. 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:25.320 So he sent me some money for me to buy 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:28.760 a stuff that we're living almost in the streets, you know. 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:31.160 And so she goes, I'm gonna take this money. I'm 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:32.960 going to give it to this guy that your dad knows. 0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:35.440 He works as a cab driver in the center of town. 0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:37.199 I'm going to give him half of that money and 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:39.440 use that money the rest of your have to feed 0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:41.280 you guys. But we're going to Tijuana and we see you, 0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:44.040 We're going to see your dad. And if your dad 0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:46.520 don't want me or you guys, he have to tell us. 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:48.560 I the eye in front of us. 0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:51.399 So my mom, my mom was like that, you know. 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:53.600 So I was like, oh, so, so we. 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:55.359 All got into one car, man and we took it 0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:58.439 like a week to get there. And you know, it's 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:01.400 a long story, but but it's a story of this man. 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:06.879 My story is my mother is pure conviction, a pure 0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:12.880 conviction woman, and my dad pure charisma. I mean, this dude, man, 0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:15.040 it was like people looked at him like he was 0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:16.600 like Clark Gable or something. 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:16.879 You know. 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:21.000 Women, Oh the who said, you know, they just melt 0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:23.240 and stuff. So I got those two from my mom, 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:29.720 charisma and conviction, and they gave me something that is 0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:33.560 very important for musicians to show up with, not arrogance, 0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:42.320 but confidence, like Miles Dave's confidence, you know, Tony Williams confidence. 0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:45.359 What happened though, Carlos when she got there, she wrote, 0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:47.680 she wrote up with confidence, but did she succeed eat 0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:48.480 and what she wanted? 0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:52.480 Well, yeah, she had to knock on the door where 0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:55.800 my dad had sent the address from this letter and 0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:58.000 it was three o'clock in the afternoon, and nobody would 0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:02.280 answer the door, and and so she so she knocked harder, 0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:06.280 and then this woman opened the door, you know, and yeah, 0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:10.960 and she was and so first before she answered the door, 0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:14.040 there was like a wineo darrel like in the streets. 0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:17.000 And she says to my mom, who are you looking for? 0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:19.439 He said, So, my mom described my dadd He goes, oh, 0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:24.119 he's inside. Knock again louder. So she knocked again, and the. 0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:26.120 Lady opened the door, and she started screaming at. 0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:29.000 My mom and cursing at her, and she was making 0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:31.920 such a rockets my dad all my dad came out. 0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:33.960 And first thing he looked at first thing, he looked 0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:37.560 at me. First thing he looked at west me and 0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:40.040 he was mesmer. He was like, and then he looked 0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:42.679 at my mom and the rest of us, like, what 0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:43.560 are you doing here? 0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:44.760 Oh? 0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:47.400 And his and his. 0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:48.400 Face looked like. 0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:56.200 The NBC peacock with all the colors in it. 0:25:57.000 --> 0:25:58.240 And my mom said, my mom. 0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:01.120 My mom was like, you know, she did her thing, 0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:04.800 and next thing, I know, he left that prostitute that 0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:08.680 he was staying with, and then she took us into 0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:10.879 this other place. And you know, it was the it 0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:13.399 was the worst part of Tijuana. It was the ghetto 0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:14.480 of the ghetto ghetto. 0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:17.560 You know, they didn't even have a roof yet, they 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:18.800 were still building this house. 0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:19.040 You know. 0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:21.800 I don't want to tell like like melancholy whatever, but 0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:24.240 you know, it is what it. 0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:29.720 Is, and all that stuff gave us conviction, you know, 0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:35.119 because there's you can only go up from here, you know. 0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:39.280 Do you ever go back to your original hometown. 0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:41.520 Yes. 0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:44.560 I went to Outland a couple of times, and I 0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:49.880 started the clinic, by the grace of God, a hospital clinic. 0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:53.119 We invested I don't know how many millions because I 0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:55.240 don't keep track of numbers and records. 0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:57.480 I don't know how many records I record. But anyway, 0:26:57.520 --> 0:26:58.720 we're able to have. 0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:01.480 What is it called. 0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:05.240 Foundation, Yes, it. 0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:08.000 Is a foundation, but it had a specific name, uh 0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:11.280 santwary other lose like a sanctuary or light, you know. 0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:15.680 And we had the latest and people from out Las 0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:21.160 Vegas in Seattle. They donated brand new ambulances and stuff. 0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:23.280 So this this this hotel, I mean, this hotel, this 0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:24.880 hospital is it's no joke. 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:27.320 It's really really really state of the art, you know. 0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:29.760 That's but I told but I told him, I think 0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:32.040 I was doing that for fifteen twenty years with them, 0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:35.200 and I told them, you're like a teenager. Now I'm 0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:36.880 going to back off, and you need to pay your 0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:40.439 own now, because you can't depend on me. It's like 0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:42.760 when you tell your kids, man, you know, you need 0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:44.600 to pay your own rent and you pay the water 0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:46.520 you need to put you know, you know so I said, 0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.720 So I'm back enough. You know, you in the town, 0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:53.320 the mayor here is. But here's the thing, man, you 0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:55.840 got it. You take care of it, because now I 0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:58.920 want to do one in Tijuana and Juarez and and 0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:00.760 you know, I don't know if you ever heard of 0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:01.560 three squares. 0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:06.919 It's a place where they have food. This lady, Julie Merritt, 0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:10.040 before she was going to die of cancer and before 0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:12.680 she said, before I die, I'm going to create big, 0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:18.160 giymongous buildings like Walmart's tall, fill them out with food 0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:19.840 and feed the kids in Las Vegas. 0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:24.639 She did that with two buildings. She never died and 0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:26.480 we learned so much from her. Now, if you just 0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:30.159 take your time and go to three Squares and you 0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:32.800 see what's happening with this building, and you see people 0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:36.840 donating the You know, the thing about Las Vegas is 0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:39.080 that the thing about Las Vegas, there's a lot of 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:42.880 people that I call weapons of mass compassion, people who 0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:45.560 wake up to be of service to humanity. You don't 0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:47.960 hear about them. You only hear about the clubs and 0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:51.000 the streets. But there's bona fide people who I call 0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:55.040 weapons of mass compassion, people who they roll up their sleeves, 0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:57.600 they cook, they pack, they do all kinds of things, 0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:01.640 and they're always helping and healing, care directing and curing 0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:03.240 humanity's mentality. 0:29:03.920 --> 0:29:08.520 How did you know that that was your particular calling, 0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:13.280 at least for you donating that center? Like why not 0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:18.720 a school? Why not you know, housing development or whatever? 0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:22.960 Like what was it about doing a not a hospital, 0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:25.560 but like a center? What was it about that that 0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:27.840 you felt that's what the town needed? 0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:30.360 Thank you for asking that. 0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.480 I grew up with Tito Puente and BB King believing 0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:35.600 that I could be somewhere in the middle. But in 0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:37.600 the meantime I was checking out the lordus ware to 0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:41.400 Martin Luther King mother Teresa, So I would say, well, 0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:44.240 I'm going to do this so I can do that, 0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:48.400 you know, So I'm going to play music and with 0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:51.080 the energy or money from that, I'm going to give 0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:55.160 it to two million, five hundred clean to mister Desmond 0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:57.960 Tuttu to help the children with aids so they can 0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:01.200 have uniforms, so they can have shoes, you know, because 0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:03.520 if you don't have shoes and uniforms, you can't get 0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:04.480 into the classroom. 0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:07.160 So I donated. I did, We did a whole tour. 0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:11.080 I paid my taxes and I paid my band and 0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:13.840 what was the rest of that. I gave it to 0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:19.200 missvestmin to to clean one check, you know. And I 0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:22.719 did it because I'm constantly like you and you and 0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:25.160 everybody here, I come still being Nutch. 0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:28.320 Inwardly do this follow that? 0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:31.480 You know? And so but I said, but I don't 0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:34.360 want people to know that I'm doing this, And they said, well, 0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:36.960 I know that you don't want people to know that 0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:40.160 you're giving two million, five hundred clean to this one 0:30:40.200 --> 0:30:42.800 too to help with the kids and the aids and everything. 0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:46.840 But see if people do find out a little bit, 0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:50.160 then it will inspire other people to do podcast too, 0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:52.360 I says. So, I says, but I don't feel comfortable 0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:54.520 because it feels weird to do something. And then it 0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:56.680 almost feels like, look at me, I'm doing no And 0:30:56.720 --> 0:30:59.800 they said, he said, no, man, it's not like that, you. 0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:01.840 Know, trust us. And so I was like, so that's 0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:02.760 why I did it like that. 0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:06.280 You know, I get it. I get it. Wow, Wow, 0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:10.200 that's that's beautiful to hear. Well. Eventually, of course, I 0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:13.120 know that you moved to the United States. I'm assuming 0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:15.160 you moved to the Bay Area. How old were you 0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:18.959 when you settled into California. 0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:22.680 I moved from Tijuana the first time in nineteen sixty two, 0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:25.720 and Mom and I were not getting along. 0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:30.040 We weren't getting alone for a long time, you know, because 0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:33.360 she was very domineering, very set, Like I said, a 0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:37.080 lot of conviction, and I'm not, like, with all respect 0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:39.200 to my sisters and brothers, I'm not that kind of 0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:41.880 guy that goes like that, you know. So I wanted 0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:43.360 to go back to where I was working. I was 0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:46.840 working Tijuana in a nightclub called the Convoy. We would 0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:50.240 play for an hour and for another hour there would 0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:51.360 be women stripping. 0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:55.800 They were like a Stripperson still yeah yeah yeah. 0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:58.440 So to me, I was like, oh, this is like 0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:00.840 better than a circle, the solea whatever, you know, this 0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:04.280 is yeah, I play an hour, you know, green onions 0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:07.320 and you know, something's got a hold of it, and 0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:11.160 play Eda Jeans and Booker t and all kinds of people, 0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:14.640 and for an hour I get to see ladies, you know, 0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:17.120 strip and do that do the thing because they have 0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:18.480 to feed the kids, because they have to do what 0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:21.960 they have to do, you know. But I was like, yeah, 0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:25.320 this just go to junior high school in America. Oh no, 0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:27.360 heck no, I don't want to go to junior high school. 0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:29.920 I want to stay in this joint and grow up 0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:30.720 watching this thing. 0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:35.600 Junior high school. Carlos, You were like, whoa, Okay. 0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:37.680 Well he's born in forty seven, so now he's fifteen. 0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:40.480 Ye and they put plus they put me back because 0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:42.560 I couldn't speak English. The only words that I knew 0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:43.920 was stick him up. 0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:57.120 And there's the annamation from the most. 0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:58.479 Stick them up because I saw Roy Rogers, uh some 0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:01.320 TV show Roy Rogers and somebody said stick about they 0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:03.280 pull a gun and they're like, whoa. I said, oh, 0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:06.360 they come up. Okay, you know, so that was one 0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:07.280 of the first words. 0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:08.160 In English that I learned. 0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:13.080 Okay. Who taught you how to play? Was guitar? Your 0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:14.640 first weapon? Of choice. 0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:18.000 No, it was the violin. But I didn't like the 0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:22.560 way it smell, the way it sound, way it felt, you. 0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:26.320 Know, because you got to get that, you know, and 0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:26.720 I like. 0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:31.000 And my dad I didn't want to, you know, make 0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:32.960 him angry. So I finally told him, you know, I 0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:35.880 don't want to play this thing, man. And so my 0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:38.200 mom took me to the center of town in Tijuana, 0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:40.760 and there was a band called the Tjs, and there 0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:43.200 was this dude named Haaviert about these who had a 0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:46.840 big kunk like Little Richard, big khaki pants, you know, 0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:48.800 big big, almost like bail bottom pans. 0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.280 And he he was a component of three. 0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:54.000 People, I mean, and he had it down. He was 0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:59.120 like Baby King, Little Richard and Ray Chiles. That's all 0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:01.840 he knew. And he played it really, really good. So 0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:03.600 when I went to the center of town with my mom, 0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:05.480 because she grabbed me by the hand, you're coming with me, 0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:07.400 And I was like, I said, you haven't played a 0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:10.080 while because your dad is in San Francisco, and I 0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:13.080 don't want what he touches for you to lose it, 0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:15.080 so come with me. So she pulled me by the 0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:17.440 hand and she took me to see this guy and 0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:19.560 they're playing, you know, they're playing, and the way he 0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:23.279 hit those notes, he had that twang like bb King, 0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:25.520 Freddie King, I'll bring He had that twang thing. And 0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:30.520 I was like, it was like seeing a flying saficer 0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.560 man or a first white whale or something. 0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:36.640 And I was like, oh my god, right there. 0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:40.279 I knew that's the only thing I was going to 0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:43.799 be right there because of watching a guy play. 0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:48.560 I mean you could when he played the guitar and 0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:51.440 the notes resonated against the cars and the trees and 0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:55.759 the church across the street. Man, I was like, oh 0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:59.400 my god, the sound of the guitar. 0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:04.000 Man is very uh you know, Jimmy Hendrix, Stevie Ray, 0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:07.799 you know, is Albert King, is everybody you know. 0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:10.480 It's very It seduces your senses, is uh. 0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:15.360 Lauren Hill says, man one note from you and assaulted 0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:17.440 all my senses, That's what she said. 0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:21.680 So that's what guitars, guitar guitar players do because when 0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:22.560 you band the note. 0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:23.960 See, when you band the note and you know how 0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:27.840 to get bended, man, that's when people hair stand. 0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:32.600 Up, you know, and even my holes. I see. 0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:35.120 I have a lot of pictures of my house with guitars, 0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:36.760 you know, because he wanted to get into the guitar 0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:38.879 and he wanted to know how to how to get 0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:45.560 inside that note bending bending. There's something very very spiritual 0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:49.040 and sensual. Spiritual and sensual about the guitar. 0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:50.040 Man, it's just you. 0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:58.120 Know, Carlos, if I may, can you just tell us 0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:00.960 about the moment or the moments leading up in the 0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:04.560 morning after when you received this first guitar, because I 0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:07.840 it's it's got to be a special moment. 0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:09.719 But yeah, it was a special But thank you for 0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:10.239 asking that. 0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:12.560 My dad found out for my mom that I didn't 0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:14.400 want to quit music, but I wanted guitar. 0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:15.920 So he sent me a big fat guitar. 0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:19.920 So I liked West Montgomery, you know, and and uh 0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:24.919 it had pickups, but I was so naive. I changed 0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:27.279 the strengths and I put an eyeline strings because I 0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:29.680 you know, and I said, well, man, I can get 0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:31.879 a sound from this, and they said, no, you need 0:36:31.880 --> 0:36:32.440 to put it, you know. 0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:36.759 So I changed the strengths again. Then I got in it. 0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:36.960 Man. 0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:40.360 When I got in it, people were telling me you 0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:42.880 shouldn't played bass, man, because I started with the bass. 0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:45.520 After that you played too many damn nuns to play 0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:48.280 the bass. You used to play the guitar, I said, okay, 0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:49.640 so you know. 0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:51.480 It was it was. 0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:54.080 It's a it's all been a revelation man, being in 0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:57.720 this planet and learning how to articulate first selectric guitar 0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:02.759 and then all the tune in African music. You know, 0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:06.439 because because once you get into the drums, like I said, 0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:08.200 I love drums so much, man. 0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:12.440 I married a drummer. Drummer, the drummer for me. 0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:15.840 You know that that that that is the closest to 0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:19.840 Tony Williams alive, you know, because you know, because she 0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:23.719 had you know, anyway, so that's a beautiful combination. You know, 0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:30.880 the guitar cheeto puente on it tuni with bb King. Man, 0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:34.560 that's a badass combination. Next thing, you know, next thing, 0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:36.839 you know, everybody has congers into bolists, man, Next thing, 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:39.480 you know, like the Rolling Stones got congas hto bolist 0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:41.680 uh slies got congas hinto. 0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:46.560 Ballists minus got congress. Why something happened, it would. 0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:50.560 Stuck Mmm okay because of what they. 0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:53.680 Said, Because it worked, because they said that it works. See, 0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:57.800 guitar and congus make women dance differently. 0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:00.080 You know. 0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:03.200 The hippies. The hippies ladies. You know, they're dancing like 0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:04.360 they're catching butterflies. 0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:13.799 That is the standard white girl dance. I never I 0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:16.359 never once thought of it as catching butterflies, but you did. 0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:22.880 But then you play at Wahita, you know, which is 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:24.320 like chango. 0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:33.960 With b the ging doom Doom Doom doom. 0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:43.719 Dad. Look at women just go oh okay, you know. 0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:45.320 Hey. 0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:51.640 Wow, if you get the women to dance to it, 0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:56.640 then it works. Okay. Uh. I had questions of Carlos 0:38:56.640 --> 0:39:01.520 about two particular players, and they're influence and on on 0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:05.080 your playing and just you guys personal relationship, my vision 0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:10.520 of John H. McLoughlin, and also Peter Green. What can 0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:12.200 you say about you guys work together? 0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:15.279 Oh well, thank you for asking that. You know, I 0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:18.680 knew about I knew about John from a bitches brew 0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:22.400 and uh, but somebody told me in between I was 0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:24.839 playing at the Filmore and a brother who was taking 0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:27.200 care of like a ballet for BB King, he had 0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:29.160 the day off and he says, man, you're coming with me. 0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:30.600 I says, where are we going? He says, We're going 0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:32.839 to go to Slugs. What's that? 0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:36.319 It says, it's a club in Harlem, and a says, 0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:41.239 I said, who's playing? It says Tony Williams trio, John McLaughlan, 0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.920 Larry Young and Tony Williams. And that place was small, 0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:46.920 but they were allowed. 0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:51.400 Right, This was so period. This is before it for 0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:52.080 a lifetime. 0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:55.040 Okay, emergency, emergency, emergency, emergency. Yeah. 0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:55.520 Yeah. 0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:57.600 And when I first heard him play. 0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:02.560 Again, it's it's a different kind of revelation because you're 0:40:02.600 --> 0:40:08.480 going from Johnny Hooker, Lightning Hopkins, Jimmy Reed, bb King, 0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:11.680 Freddy King. You're going to a cat like John McLaughlin 0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:17.280 who's playing a combination of John go Reinhardt with Robbie 0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:23.520 Shanker with Wes Montgomery, and he's burning, burning with this 0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:28.600 dexterity him and Tony Williams. And I was like, oh 0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:32.320 my god, you know, I don't know people can actually 0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:35.120 play like this. And here's the word I don't know 0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:39.839 people who I didn't know people could articulate this kind 0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:43.560 of language that is beyond superlatives. 0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:49.359 Was Tony. You know, it's where one of the very 0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:53.799 first American, not American roots shows, but one of the 0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:57.120 very first root shows. Once we got our record deal, 0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:02.040 Tony Williams was also at the gig, and I'm really 0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:05.759 kicking myself that I didn't watch him, like I didn't 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:08.160 really start to worship him, even though I knew him 0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:12.959 well or knew of his work well. But you know, unfortunately, 0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:15.760 like I guess, when people pass away, then you really 0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:22.000 you start to hear their music differently. And even like 0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:25.520 this the next book that I wrote, like chapter one 0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:29.319 is actually dedicated to there's a Tony Williams song called 0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:33.960 there Comes the Time. Yeah that, yeah, that's that's how 0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:36.480 I met my original manager. My manager used to be 0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:40.680 like a DJ at a jazz station. And I don't know, 0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:44.480 like I was really transfixed when I heard that song, 0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:48.759 and like it just always stuck with me. But I 0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:51.840 always wanted to know, like, since you got to witness 0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:56.400 prime Tony Williams drum, was he his symbol playing to me? 0:41:57.160 --> 0:42:00.160 And I get you know that Cindy is also so 0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:03.520 like a branch of the Tony Williams tree. Was he 0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:07.640 in person during his prime? Was he as violently loud 0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:11.600 as a drummer as I imagine that he was, Because 0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:15.640 my only testament, you know, besides what I see on YouTube, 0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:17.600 but you know, a lot of that stuff is more 0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:21.520 like eighties Tony Williams. But there's really not much of 0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:27.239 the late sixties, early seventies twenty Tony Williams archives available. 0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:31.560 But what was it? What was his power? Like? Like 0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:34.719 he was just one of the loudest drummers I ever heard. 0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:37.759 I mean I heard Cream and their peak. I heard 0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:40.080 Jimmy Hendrix at his peak. I heard led Sepplin at 0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:44.320 their peak. I have never heard anybody play by Tony Williams, 0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:49.600 John mcclough and Larry Young, not one of them come 0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:53.960 close to dynamics and just pure energy did this guy's have? 0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:58.239 Plus the mentality it's not even mentality because it's not 0:42:58.280 --> 0:42:59.000 mental music. 0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:01.920 You know, you can't put superlatives on. 0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:05.640 Tony Williams or John Coltrane because there's just no words 0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:09.960 in this planet to describe the unknown. But it's but 0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:13.680 you've seen it, you're hearing it, and you cannot believe it. 0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:15.480 Let me give you an example. 0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:20.120 I zoomed then on his high hat on his foot, 0:43:20.360 --> 0:43:23.880 and he was left right like like that, but at 0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:26.359 the speed of a at the speed of a hummingbird's wing, 0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:32.560 and he locks it. So that's locked. 0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:34.120 It's not going anywhere now. 0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:35.600 He can do whatever he wants to do with his 0:43:35.719 --> 0:43:38.120 right hand and then with left hand and with his. 0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:40.840 Full drop drop bombs. But I never seen. 0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:44.640 Anybody lock a high head at the speed of the 0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:51.319 hummingbird's wings and locked with total confidence and assurance. I 0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:54.040 looked at him and I was like, oh my god, 0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:58.040 this is like my brain just was like, I feel 0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:03.919 like my brain's getting like stretch, you know, from That's 0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:04.920 the best band. 0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:06.960 I have ever seen it in my entire existence. 0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:10.160 And I love Jimmy, I love Cream, I love Lidzepar, 0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:11.080 I love a lot of them. 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:16.799 I have never heard anybody with that trio like that. 0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:22.280 I believe you. I believe you. You know, a couple 0:44:22.320 --> 0:44:27.400 of episodes back, we have Raphael Sadik on our show, 0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:31.800 and you know, to hear him describe the Bay Area 0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:36.359 and what it meant to grow up in the Bay 0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:41.560 Area at the time when musicianship was at its absolute peak, 0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:47.080 you know, with with San Francisco, like with the the 0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:51.120 Summer of Love coming into play and to bloom and 0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:55.960 especially like in Oakland with funk brewing over there. How 0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:59.160 how is that well for him? He was just describing 0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:03.279 it what it was like be young to you know, 0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:05.920 casually be a ten year old and see Larry Graham 0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:10.560 or to casually see you or you know, all these 0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:14.120 musicians that are in the area. What was it I mean, 0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:17.240 because you're one of the pioneers in the Bay Area, 0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:23.080 what was it about that particular place on the map 0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:29.759 that just made musicianship on a whole another level? Like 0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:33.319 can you just I mean, I'm assuming by you know, 0:45:33.640 --> 0:45:36.480 by at least the mid sixties, you got your chops up. 0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:42.200 So can you just describe pre record deal, pre Santana 0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:44.600 first record? Like what what. 0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:44.759 Is the. 0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:52.600 Modus operandi of a musician in say nineteen sixty seven, 0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:56.560 nineteen sixty eight in the Bay Area? Like is it 0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:59.600 Jam Sessions Galore? Is it? Like who your peers at 0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:00.000 the time? 0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:06.920 Hm Brown zero for consciousness Revolution. You know, besides Els 0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:11.640 the peote, mescaline, ayahuasca, you have Charles Lloyd, You have 0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:16.759 John Handy, you have Robbie Shankard, you have or this 0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:18.520 is reading, you have James Brown. 0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:22.280 You have all all of it is in one particular. 0:46:23.120 --> 0:46:26.919 Like a nebula, you know, and you have bb King, 0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:30.360 you have Albert King, and then you have uh who else? 0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:34.120 You have Lee Morgan? You know, you can go you 0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:35.600 can go any club man, and. 0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:39.239 Here this this, you know, George Benson, this cat this 0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:41.880 before George Benson was singing, you know, and he was 0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:43.799 she was tearing the guitar up and a whole other 0:46:43.880 --> 0:46:47.480 kind of way. So for me, when people say what 0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:49.040 are you going to do tonight, it says, man, it's 0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:50.640 hard to decide. I'm going to go to the Both 0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:54.600 Hands Club and see Miles Davis, or I'm gonna go 0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:59.200 see Monga Santo Maria or West Montgomery or the Grateful 0:46:59.280 --> 0:47:02.319 Dead or Live Stone, you know, and it's all like 0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:06.279 right there, you know. And so what makes it more 0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:12.880 delicious is that you can actually understand what they're doing. 0:47:13.880 --> 0:47:16.319 You know, it's not out of the realm of your 0:47:16.400 --> 0:47:20.759 understanding capabilities. And it's like if you keep looking at 0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:22.960 it and hearing it from your inner. 0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:25.000 Ear, you can see what they're doing. 0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:25.719 You know. 0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:30.959 It's just a matter of like going home and articulating, 0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:34.440 getting close to the facility, because you have to have 0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:37.080 a certain kind of facility to articulate. 0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:37.399 You know. 0:47:37.600 --> 0:47:40.080 I mean, the difference between I can tell the one no, 0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:44.760 the difference between Lee Morgan or Freddie Habert or Miles 0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:49.239 or Clark Terry, you know, just trumpets alone. I know 0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:51.799 the guitar players, I know the drummers, you know. And 0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:54.719 so for me, growing up in San Francisco was like 0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:59.840 the ultimate university of being connected to it all and 0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:08.080 at the same time develop your own individuality, uniqueness and authenticity, 0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:10.720 you know, because anybody will. 0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:11.879 Tell you, man, don't play my shit. 0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:15.439 Hey, We'll get your own, man, you know, don't don't 0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:18.080 come over here playing somebody else's shit, man, you know, 0:48:18.200 --> 0:48:20.800 and they gave it. They give you that look, you know, like, hey, man, 0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:22.040 you know they do. 0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:23.000 That in Africa. 0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:27.000 Also, they might have fifty drummers and each one has 0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:29.800 to play their own thing. They'll give you a dirty 0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:32.279 look like, man, don't play my thing, Go get your 0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:32.960 own thing, you know. 0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:34.960 And it was like that in San Francisco. 0:48:35.480 --> 0:48:39.279 You have to find, you know, the difference between sly 0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:43.319 stepping wolf and creating's clear water, you know, Tina Turner. 0:48:43.080 --> 0:48:46.600 Albert Collins, Albera King, you know. And for me, I 0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:50.319 was like I couldn't get enough, man, I could hardly. 0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:52.960 I didn't even want to go to sleep because I 0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:55.480 just want to soak it all up. I said, Man, 0:48:55.800 --> 0:48:58.759 I must have died because this is heaven. Heaven. You know, 0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:02.920 if you want to just check out john Ley Hooker 0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:08.239 and the Doors and Coltrane, I love Supreme. It's the 0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:09.080 same thing. 0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:19.719 Right true. Wait, can I do a follow up to 0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:20.440 that question, Steve? 0:49:21.080 --> 0:49:22.120 Yeah, I'll allow it. 0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:27.280 Thank you, I appreciate it. Here's the thing though, because 0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:30.080 your debut album, and I want to know how you 0:49:30.120 --> 0:49:35.160 got your record deal, but your debut album also arrives 0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:39.520 at the same time, right in the same month as Woodstock, 0:49:39.680 --> 0:49:44.520 which clearly that's the event that will define that generation. 0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:51.200 But what I also noticed was that right after Woodstock, 0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:54.120 it's kind of the you know, the turn of a 0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:58.319 new decade, and things got darker, you know, a lot 0:49:58.360 --> 0:50:02.600 of cynicism, a lot of darkness, especially in the music 0:50:02.640 --> 0:50:05.560 of Sly And you know, I'm and I'm conflicted on 0:50:05.600 --> 0:50:08.240 there's a ride going on, you know, because yes, it's 0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:12.320 it's the first funk record and I can't deny something 0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:16.200 that literally puts food on my table to this day. 0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:20.400 But also know that that album to me is almost 0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:24.040 like Slide falling on his sword, if you will, like 0:50:24.160 --> 0:50:28.520 his personal demons also coming to light. But then you know, 0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:31.400 but I also feel like with the exception of a 0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:36.479 choice few, you seem to be the only person from 0:50:36.520 --> 0:50:42.520 the Woodstock, the class of Woodstock, that still stayed in 0:50:42.560 --> 0:50:46.000 a spiritual lane. Like you didn't get dark, You didn't 0:50:46.080 --> 0:50:49.880 get you didn't get cynical. You know, I don't I 0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:51.880 don't know what was happening in your personal life at 0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:57.560 the time, But can you explain why when everyone else 0:50:58.400 --> 0:51:02.680 at the turn of sixty nine seventy seventy one, when 0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:06.280 they all went to kind of a darker creative place, 0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:12.239 that you didn't venture there all that much like your 0:51:12.320 --> 0:51:16.799 music and even though like of course, like by the 0:51:16.840 --> 0:51:19.680 fourth or fifth album, you sort of slid away from 0:51:20.080 --> 0:51:22.200 I guess what Clive would have life loved you to 0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:26.280 keep churning out the hits and whatnot to the level 0:51:26.480 --> 0:51:31.240 of the first two records. But you know you didn't 0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:36.360 go dark. And can you explain why or what was 0:51:36.400 --> 0:51:39.680 happening at least at that time that just caused everyone 0:51:39.719 --> 0:51:43.480 to go to just a darker cynical place with their creativity. 0:51:44.280 --> 0:51:46.600 Thank you for asking that. You know, most of it 0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:51.680 comes from my mother saying to me so nosti, which 0:51:51.680 --> 0:51:55.480 means that is not for you. For you, you know 0:51:55.640 --> 0:52:01.239 the cocaine, cocaine shooting up that is not for you. 0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:03.759 And she said it so loud and so engraded in 0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:08.359 my thing. So the other thing is that I want 0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:11.880 to just pause for a second and tell you I 0:52:11.960 --> 0:52:16.319 want to offer you my deepest gratitude for bringing out 0:52:17.280 --> 0:52:20.640 the black woodstof from from Harlem, because man, I just 0:52:20.719 --> 0:52:24.640 signed this summer and I was like, damn, I got 0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:27.279 all these questions to ask you. Man, like you have 0:52:27.400 --> 0:52:30.080 the whole thing from Sunny Sharraq I want. 0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:37.279 I want you know the second you're the second very 0:52:37.280 --> 0:52:39.320 famous guitar player that wants to hear that you and 0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:41.759 Papatheni can go down on Sundys sharrock man all day. 0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:42.440 It was amazing. 0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:44.360 Okay, Okay, so I'm gonna do. 0:52:44.920 --> 0:52:47.600 I'm connected with Dave Snyder, which is this keyboard player 0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:51.080 and and uh I made a promise. 0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:56.160 To create a Jubilation Okay, that's the name of the CD. 0:52:56.560 --> 0:52:58.800 Now I'm going to have all the drunk guitar players 0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:00.560 that I love, and each one is gonna pick a song. 0:53:13.400 --> 0:53:23.160 Wow. Yeah, I already decided you're going to be my shaman. 0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:25.920 So yes, I'll share that with you. Something I've never 0:53:25.960 --> 0:53:27.400 seen had you heard. 0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:30.759 Of that concert in real time? Like, had you heard 0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:32.080 of what was going on in Harlem? 0:53:33.400 --> 0:53:33.600 Yeah? 0:53:33.680 --> 0:53:34.080 Wow, don't. 0:53:34.160 --> 0:53:35.320 It's not called the black Woodstock. 0:53:35.360 --> 0:53:39.000 We don't do that, I know. Sorry, you know, yes, okay, 0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:41.200 I'm sorry. What do you call it? The summer summer? 0:53:41.320 --> 0:53:44.279 So summer summer of soul in the con I mean 0:53:44.320 --> 0:53:47.480 the folks that live there called the concert at that park? 0:53:48.000 --> 0:53:48.719 What's the park again? 0:53:48.800 --> 0:53:51.680 A mayor? Marcus Dery, Marcus Garvey, Marcus Garvey Park. 0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:53.400 Yeah, okay, I know about that. 0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:53.879 Yeah. 0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:55.640 Yeah, So did you know about it in real time? 0:53:56.520 --> 0:53:56.920 No? 0:53:56.920 --> 0:53:59.719 No, I mean I heard it floating around because the 0:53:59.760 --> 0:54:02.359 person and who told me about this before anybody was 0:54:02.360 --> 0:54:04.640 Greg and Rico, because he knew it existed, you know 0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:06.719 how to get a hold of it, you know. And 0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:09.960 so those are the two things that I want, Actually 0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:14.399 I need a lot because to answer your question again 0:54:14.440 --> 0:54:21.640 about not so coming to the predictable victim pathetic, predictable 0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:27.000 mentality of being too too high to play, which is 0:54:27.040 --> 0:54:29.480 a contradiction because when I when you play, you get high, 0:54:29.640 --> 0:54:32.600 you know, so that means that you're doing something chemically 0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:37.680 that you shouldn't be doing because now you're you're putting 0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:40.680 your you're putting your light, your spirit, and your soul 0:54:40.760 --> 0:54:43.520 to the side, and your ego is saying, hey, man, 0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:44.200 I got this. 0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:48.080 In meantime, it don't sound so good or it looks 0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:51.480 so good or smells so good, you know. 0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:55.240 So, So what I did is like I pay attention 0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:58.879 to the Staples singers because I hung around with him 0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:01.840 in Pop Staples, and I hang around, you know, with 0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:06.600 John mcclock and so I basically I join in a 0:55:06.760 --> 0:55:12.600 West Point type of spiritual discipline path which rich and 0:55:12.680 --> 0:55:18.640 moy and that kept me from self destruction because you know, here, 0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:21.239 here's the thing before we move up there, there is 0:55:21.280 --> 0:55:25.560 such a thing as self deception and self discovery. 0:55:26.120 --> 0:55:27.239 Okay, talk about it. 0:55:28.080 --> 0:55:29.439 So self deception is this. 0:55:34.560 --> 0:55:37.800 Self discovery is like I'm going to open my heart 0:55:37.920 --> 0:55:41.480 and let God in the universe like our blake he 0:55:41.560 --> 0:55:46.000 said it. Here's how Blakey from the Creator through us 0:55:46.760 --> 0:55:51.360 for you. That's for me that was hired. That was 0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:54.480 higher than heroin, cocaine or any of the other substance 0:55:54.600 --> 0:55:58.960 like that man from the Creator directly through me for you. 0:55:59.560 --> 0:56:02.440 And once I heard about that one, then you know 0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:06.359 you're not going to bamboostle Santana into thinking less than 0:56:07.719 --> 0:56:09.359 my light, my spirited and my soul. 0:56:09.560 --> 0:56:11.239 So no, no, we know ayahwasta. 0:56:12.520 --> 0:56:15.480 It sounds like self deception is cocaine, but self discovery 0:56:15.520 --> 0:56:16.040 is shrooms. 0:56:16.200 --> 0:56:16.680 There we go. 0:56:19.600 --> 0:56:22.160 I would like to also be clear that, yeah, I 0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:26.040 think with ayahuasca and we like, I don't. I never 0:56:26.120 --> 0:56:30.040 consider those drugs medicine more than you. 0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:33.920 Know, maybe the FDA does, but you know you're right about. 0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:35.680 That because they don't want us enlightened. 0:56:35.800 --> 0:56:38.360 I'm with it. I mean, I was just just curious. 0:56:38.480 --> 0:56:40.040 I'm I'm in the baby stations. 0:56:40.120 --> 0:56:44.759 Do you often do like uh sound baths or rituals 0:56:44.840 --> 0:56:51.200 or those sort of things like sound uh spiritual sound 0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:53.880 journeys or those sort of things like with the spiritual 0:56:53.880 --> 0:56:54.920 community or anything. 0:56:56.800 --> 0:56:58.799 The closest thing that I do now to any of that, 0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:04.359 get a heart felt hug from Cindy and stay there. 0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:07.319 Yeah, Wow, what else do you need? 0:57:07.560 --> 0:57:08.760 I would take one of those? 0:57:09.120 --> 0:57:09.680 Was there you go? 0:57:10.480 --> 0:57:13.280 Not to be creepy, but your wife is amazing. 0:57:15.320 --> 0:57:15.640 Steve. 0:57:16.320 --> 0:57:20.240 Oh, okay, well, I really want I really want to 0:57:20.240 --> 0:57:23.680 get to like Kirk's questions, but I'll ask one of 0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:26.560 my two questions. Now, since we're short of in this 0:57:26.800 --> 0:57:30.439 time period, I wanted to know if you could tell 0:57:30.520 --> 0:57:35.840 our list is about Luis Gaska. You were on an 0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:38.960 album in seventy two with him. He's a trumpet player. 0:57:40.040 --> 0:57:43.120 The album's call for those who chant, and I just 0:57:43.200 --> 0:57:46.080 wanted to put a little light on that, on that name, 0:57:46.120 --> 0:57:47.240 if you could tell us about him. 0:57:47.880 --> 0:57:49.200 Well, thank you for asking that man. 0:57:49.280 --> 0:57:52.000 When the band broke up, you know, there was a period, 0:57:52.320 --> 0:57:57.360 a specific night when I said to certain musicians I 0:57:57.400 --> 0:57:59.120 need so and so to be out of the band 0:57:59.280 --> 0:58:01.880 because there's a line the rest of the band with 0:58:01.960 --> 0:58:05.120 hair run and cocaine, and we sound like crap. We 0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:07.760 don't practice, and this is not This is not the 0:58:07.760 --> 0:58:09.320 band that I mean that I want to be in. 0:58:10.160 --> 0:58:10.320 Uh. 0:58:11.120 --> 0:58:14.680 Our platinum albums are collecting dust and we're not moving forward. 0:58:15.080 --> 0:58:17.200 So I want this guy and that guy to be 0:58:17.240 --> 0:58:19.400 out of the band or I won't be on the plane. 0:58:20.160 --> 0:58:21.840 And they said, well then it's not your band, you 0:58:21.880 --> 0:58:24.320 won't be on the plane. I said, okay. So they 0:58:24.440 --> 0:58:27.080 left without me, you know, And so what. 0:58:27.120 --> 0:58:31.120 I did to console myself I went to the basins 0:58:31.120 --> 0:58:35.560 Street West and Broadway, San Francisco, hung out with Luis Gaska, 0:58:36.360 --> 0:58:44.000 Joe Henderson, George Cables, and this drummer, a drummer who played. 0:58:45.480 --> 0:58:45.920 Marshall. 0:58:46.720 --> 0:58:49.040 This is this, and they allowed me to come in 0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:51.760 and say hey, man, I was like, they said, goheare Santana, 0:58:51.920 --> 0:58:52.120 you know. 0:58:52.200 --> 0:59:02.800 So when they dude, dude, I was like, oh, this 0:59:02.880 --> 0:59:04.680 is this is different, you know. 0:59:04.760 --> 0:59:08.120 So I wasn't afraid to not be in Santana anymore 0:59:08.200 --> 0:59:11.960 because the whole world was embracing me to learn from 0:59:12.040 --> 0:59:15.920 Joe Henderson and Wullis Gaska and and everybody out like that. 0:59:17.000 --> 0:59:19.480 Any Eddie Marshall, I think it's his name, you know. 0:59:20.160 --> 0:59:20.840 And so. 0:59:22.560 --> 0:59:24.840 God found a way for me not to feel sorry 0:59:24.880 --> 0:59:28.560 for myself for being uh, you know, like tripping on 0:59:28.800 --> 0:59:30.720 you know, what's gonna happen to poor me. I don't 0:59:30.720 --> 0:59:33.000 think like that anyway, you know. So I just went 0:59:33.040 --> 0:59:33.320 to the. 0:59:33.280 --> 0:59:36.880 Clubs and started sitting in with people, and they were 0:59:36.920 --> 0:59:40.200 so gracious enough to be patient. Though I didn't know 0:59:40.600 --> 0:59:43.120 a lot of the changes, but I knew when to 0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:44.280 play and when not to play. 0:59:45.520 --> 0:59:48.920 But even if it was your band, you were willing 0:59:48.960 --> 0:59:52.080 to leave an organization that had your namesake adds its name. 0:59:53.440 --> 0:59:55.400 Yeah, because at that time, it was more like a 0:59:55.440 --> 1:00:00.440 lot of bands. It was democratic, you know, until I realized, no, 1:00:00.560 --> 1:00:02.880 it has my name, and I can't have somebody wearing 1:00:02.880 --> 1:00:05.760 a Santana jacket going to the wrong places in town, 1:00:05.800 --> 1:00:10.840 doing the wrong thing because then, you know, So anyway, 1:00:11.120 --> 1:00:11.440 to me. 1:00:11.680 --> 1:00:13.400 All that stuff was a blessing in this guys. 1:00:13.440 --> 1:00:16.040 Man, everything that has happened to me, like the so 1:00:16.200 --> 1:00:19.920 called career suicide, which i'd done three or four times, 1:00:20.160 --> 1:00:24.280 you know, but at the meantime, I'm hanging around with Herbie, 1:00:24.560 --> 1:00:27.360 you know, or Wayne, or hanging around with Alice Coltrane 1:00:27.480 --> 1:00:29.440 or or Larry Young, you know. So every time I 1:00:29.440 --> 1:00:34.480 commit career suicide, I'm learning from the master's masters. And 1:00:34.560 --> 1:00:38.680 so hey man, this this is this is just la 1:00:38.720 --> 1:00:41.320 creme de la creme, you know, hanging around with them. 1:00:41.480 --> 1:00:44.040 You got to tell us about your Alice Coltrane encounter 1:00:44.080 --> 1:00:46.760 and the first time you met her, because it must 1:00:46.760 --> 1:00:49.720 have been spiritual at the least. 1:00:50.160 --> 1:00:52.760 Okay, so I got this this one that a lot 1:00:52.760 --> 1:00:55.160 of people are going to roll their eyes because they're 1:00:55.200 --> 1:00:57.960 not going to believe it, but I don't care because 1:00:58.000 --> 1:01:00.720 I was there. So she find me to stay in 1:01:00.800 --> 1:01:02.600 her house for a whole week, and I was hanging 1:01:02.640 --> 1:01:04.920 around with the children because at that time they were children, 1:01:05.720 --> 1:01:07.440 and we would we would wake up like a run 1:01:07.960 --> 1:01:10.320 one thirty in the morning, and we would meditate first, 1:01:10.640 --> 1:01:13.720 and then she would play harp, and then she played piano, 1:01:14.400 --> 1:01:16.720 and then she would play The World is Her piano, 1:01:17.000 --> 1:01:18.520 and then we meditate again. 1:01:19.040 --> 1:01:21.360 And when we were meditating, it. 1:01:21.480 --> 1:01:26.280 Got really really deep and quiet, and all of a sudden, 1:01:26.360 --> 1:01:30.920 I swear to you, I see John Coltrane coming right 1:01:31.120 --> 1:01:34.880 at me one of many times, but this one's coming 1:01:34.960 --> 1:01:38.080 right at me. And it's got a snow cone with 1:01:38.240 --> 1:01:43.520 three flavors of ice cream, right, and this is the 1:01:43.560 --> 1:01:46.480 all inwardly And so she's just next to me, and 1:01:46.520 --> 1:01:49.080 she goes, go ahead, try one. 1:01:49.960 --> 1:01:51.720 How does she knew what. 1:01:51.840 --> 1:01:56.120 Was inside my meditation? She goes, go ahead, go ahead, 1:01:56.160 --> 1:01:59.400 try one. So I licked it, and she goes, that's 1:01:59.440 --> 1:02:04.440 a beef fla diminished seven. Try another one. So I 1:02:04.520 --> 1:02:08.320 licked it again. Man, I was like, oh my god, 1:02:08.440 --> 1:02:12.280 I'm an Alice Coltrane and coltrans here offering me a 1:02:12.360 --> 1:02:15.600 snow cone with three flavors of ice cream in each 1:02:15.640 --> 1:02:16.800 flavor is a guitar. 1:02:16.920 --> 1:02:19.120 I mean their course, you know. 1:02:19.600 --> 1:02:22.200 Were they a specific color. Did it correspond color? 1:02:22.800 --> 1:02:27.120 Yeah? They were like yellow, green and orange? 1:02:27.680 --> 1:02:30.480 And what was be flat diminished? Do you remember be. 1:02:30.560 --> 1:02:34.200 Flat diminished was at that time at least but that 1:02:34.240 --> 1:02:39.320 particularly night was the yellow one. 1:02:41.440 --> 1:02:49.320 Okay, so you you you believe in synesthesia? Does absolutely? No? 1:02:49.480 --> 1:02:53.640 I believe. Look, I believe. I was going to say, 1:02:54.400 --> 1:02:58.040 you know, oftentimes when you have this level, when you're 1:02:58.080 --> 1:03:01.760 at this this level of this particular a plane, a 1:03:01.800 --> 1:03:06.080 lot of inexplicable things start happening to you that average 1:03:06.160 --> 1:03:09.320 mere mortals would just think like that didn't happen or whatever. 1:03:09.440 --> 1:03:14.160 But you know it's no, I absolutely believe that human 1:03:14.200 --> 1:03:19.640 beings are regular human beings are just very limited in 1:03:19.680 --> 1:03:21.480 their three dimensional. 1:03:21.120 --> 1:03:22.880 Yeah, but in your higher thought, I don't think he's 1:03:22.880 --> 1:03:25.160 supposed to think of people like that, though, are you. 1:03:25.320 --> 1:03:25.480 Well? 1:03:25.480 --> 1:03:28.800 No, No, I know they are mortals, mere humans. Mir Well, 1:03:28.800 --> 1:03:31.600 I'm trying to paraphrase it because we're not a visual show, 1:03:31.680 --> 1:03:33.400 so I can't, you know, but. 1:03:33.280 --> 1:03:34.840 It's like a house. It's like a house. 1:03:34.840 --> 1:03:37.919 You got the first floor, second floor, you know, the roof, 1:03:37.960 --> 1:03:39.840 and you have the basement. You know, So we're not 1:03:40.600 --> 1:03:43.960 we're not putting anybody down it's just it's just a building. 1:03:44.960 --> 1:03:46.600 So many people want it, they just don't know how 1:03:46.600 --> 1:03:49.240 to get it. So it's fortunate when you can find 1:03:49.280 --> 1:03:50.040 it correct. 1:03:50.040 --> 1:03:53.200 Did you want to ask something, Uh, there's there's plenty. 1:03:53.280 --> 1:03:58.200 I realized amount of time, and I want to talk 1:03:58.240 --> 1:04:02.480 about some gear too and that side of things. But 1:04:02.520 --> 1:04:05.120 before I get to that, I have to say, mister Santana, 1:04:05.160 --> 1:04:08.320 I got to meet you one time. It was on 1:04:09.000 --> 1:04:12.800 I think on a Where's where's that guitar shop? 1:04:13.000 --> 1:04:13.080 Uh? 1:04:14.240 --> 1:04:17.920 Madauw Minov Guitars? No, Madame Manov Guitars used to be 1:04:17.920 --> 1:04:22.040 there on West Fourth Street in the village. I was 1:04:22.080 --> 1:04:24.400 with my son and you walked out of the store. 1:04:24.440 --> 1:04:28.160 You like walked into us, and I was like Carlos 1:04:28.560 --> 1:04:30.440 and you said hello, and you looked at my son 1:04:30.480 --> 1:04:31.240 and you said. 1:04:31.720 --> 1:04:40.200 Hey, angel, one day you're going to heal the world. Wow. 1:04:42.120 --> 1:04:46.520 The night before this encounter, we were watching a movie 1:04:46.560 --> 1:04:49.000 called Soul to Soul ironically and oh. 1:04:48.920 --> 1:04:50.320 My mother was just talking about this. 1:04:50.440 --> 1:04:53.919 Yes, and I said to my son, it's the guy 1:04:53.960 --> 1:04:58.560 from the movie. So I'm wondering in Soul to Soul 1:04:59.080 --> 1:05:02.600 was that your first trip to Africa? And can you 1:05:02.960 --> 1:05:05.720 speak on that? Experience, whether it was your first time 1:05:05.840 --> 1:05:06.040 or not. 1:05:07.120 --> 1:05:12.480 Yes, to go to Africa in Ghana, Akara Ghana, and 1:05:12.720 --> 1:05:16.480 the things that I've learned Yea Akara Ghana, and too 1:05:17.400 --> 1:05:19.320 to be in a place where I get to learn 1:05:19.360 --> 1:05:25.120 about d Shaman who was so profoundly powerful that the 1:05:25.200 --> 1:05:27.800 mayor would move out of the way and the police 1:05:27.840 --> 1:05:29.520 department would get out of the way, I mean able 1:05:29.600 --> 1:05:30.960 to get get out of the way when this guy 1:05:31.040 --> 1:05:34.520 would come to the streets, you know, and Wilson Pickett 1:05:34.600 --> 1:05:37.320 would say, don't tell me anything about it. I don't 1:05:37.320 --> 1:05:38.720 want to hear about it. I don't want to hear 1:05:38.720 --> 1:05:40.880 that stuff, you know, because he didn't he didn't want 1:05:40.880 --> 1:05:44.200 to be put into an ex kind of thing, you know, 1:05:44.320 --> 1:05:45.920 you know, because he was afraid. 1:05:45.640 --> 1:05:48.320 Of like he was afraid he was locked and he 1:05:48.440 --> 1:05:49.240 was ucked, you know. 1:05:49.320 --> 1:05:51.960 So Willi Bob was playing with us because our regular 1:05:52.000 --> 1:05:56.120 timbata player, Shipido had an aneurysm. So we we took 1:05:56.240 --> 1:05:59.080 Willie bobble with us. And Willi Bobo had co yatis, 1:05:59.240 --> 1:06:01.280 you know, to protect and so from you know, the 1:06:01.640 --> 1:06:05.600 other the voodoo from Africa, so he thought, and so 1:06:06.360 --> 1:06:09.360 uh and so he so he got really really sick 1:06:09.400 --> 1:06:13.880 with my brother Willie Bobo. And so uh, Michael Caravella said, hey, man, 1:06:13.880 --> 1:06:16.080 you need to go to his room. Like I said, man, 1:06:16.120 --> 1:06:17.480 it's still a clock to the morn. He says, yeah, 1:06:17.480 --> 1:06:19.080 but I've been here all night. It's your turn. 1:06:19.200 --> 1:06:22.080 And just grab some towels and wet him and put 1:06:22.080 --> 1:06:23.720 her in his head, you know, because he's sweating a lot. 1:06:23.840 --> 1:06:26.000 Just help him out. So I go over there to 1:06:26.040 --> 1:06:28.360 his room and the guy knocks on the door. It's 1:06:28.520 --> 1:06:33.040 a regular doctor doctor and he looks just like Aussie Davis, right, 1:06:33.440 --> 1:06:35.600 And I'm like okay, and he goes coming in, and 1:06:35.640 --> 1:06:38.240 so I'm looking at Willy and how you doing, man? 1:06:38.360 --> 1:06:40.040 He's just oh, man, you know. 1:06:40.160 --> 1:06:42.720 And so there's another knock on the door, and there's 1:06:42.800 --> 1:06:45.680 the voodoo man, the main boodoo man, the guy who 1:06:45.720 --> 1:06:48.320 put him, he put the thing on him and he 1:06:48.560 --> 1:06:51.640 and he looks at me right in the door. And 1:06:51.760 --> 1:06:54.920 I had an inner conversation like I did with Alice Coltrane. 1:06:55.240 --> 1:06:59.919 So I'm having this conversation with this shaman, and I said, 1:07:00.720 --> 1:07:03.480 I know who you are and I know what you got, 1:07:04.360 --> 1:07:06.560 but if you want to deal with me, you have 1:07:06.640 --> 1:07:09.120 to go through this. And I had a T shirt 1:07:09.360 --> 1:07:12.760 with Jesus in it. I said, so, if you can 1:07:12.840 --> 1:07:16.520 kick his ass, I'm yours. Otherwise you have to leave 1:07:16.520 --> 1:07:19.520 me alone. Just like that, He looked him in my 1:07:19.640 --> 1:07:22.680 eyes and went right around me and left me alone. 1:07:25.000 --> 1:07:27.640 You know. So I knew that we had an understanding. 1:07:27.760 --> 1:07:30.520 You know, it's all about the energy, and he knew 1:07:30.560 --> 1:07:34.560 that I wasn't intimidated because I'm holding on to sweet 1:07:34.560 --> 1:07:39.400 Baby Jesus, you know, and I have a confidence again 1:07:39.920 --> 1:07:42.560 that sweet Baby Jesus is going is going to like, 1:07:43.360 --> 1:07:46.080 let this cat know he's okay, leave him alone. You know, 1:07:46.360 --> 1:07:48.680 he's not a threat or anything like that. Just just 1:07:48.760 --> 1:07:54.800 leave him alone. And so the being in Africa and 1:07:54.880 --> 1:07:55.920 learning how. 1:07:56.560 --> 1:08:02.360 To articulate, you know, the real them check this out. 1:08:02.680 --> 1:08:05.600 So we're invited to a dinner where everybody is there, 1:08:05.600 --> 1:08:07.680 the mayor, everybody, and then they said, will you will 1:08:07.680 --> 1:08:10.120 you guys please take off your hat hats and and 1:08:10.200 --> 1:08:12.800 stand up because we're gonna do the national anthem. Here 1:08:12.880 --> 1:08:19.440 comes the national anthem, national anthem? Do they dude, which 1:08:19.479 --> 1:08:20.320 is which is going? 1:08:20.400 --> 1:08:25.000 Answer? Good man? Woman? 1:08:25.120 --> 1:08:35.760 Go oh oh together oh THEO. And I said, wait 1:08:35.760 --> 1:08:39.000 a minute, that's one something that is national anthem and 1:08:39.040 --> 1:08:42.600 culture and playing going no this We were playing the 1:08:42.600 --> 1:08:44.080 song before Santa Maria was. 1:08:44.040 --> 1:08:47.719 Ever in this planet. This is our Yeah, that's right. 1:08:48.080 --> 1:08:50.000 In Ghana is Ghana. 1:08:50.040 --> 1:08:51.400 That's there's a national anthem and. 1:08:55.479 --> 1:08:56.280 See more. 1:08:57.280 --> 1:08:58.439 I'm gonna get them serious. 1:08:59.360 --> 1:09:02.400 Yeah, man, we always did it first. 1:09:02.680 --> 1:09:06.840 We always always that's the foundation. 1:09:08.240 --> 1:09:08.479 Man. 1:09:09.600 --> 1:09:12.680 Well, as a drummer to drummer, boss, you should be 1:09:12.680 --> 1:09:13.880 there mm hmm. 1:09:16.120 --> 1:09:19.839 The time when you start to come into the world's 1:09:19.880 --> 1:09:27.840 consciousness is kind of simultaneous with when loud electric guitars 1:09:27.840 --> 1:09:34.240 starts to come into our consciousness and souped up amps 1:09:34.280 --> 1:09:37.080 and stuff like that. Uh, there's a there's a rumor 1:09:37.640 --> 1:09:43.439 that mess a boogies are called mess of boogies because 1:09:43.600 --> 1:09:47.479 you tried out an amp from a cat and you're like, man, 1:09:47.560 --> 1:09:52.360 this thing boogies, and now they call it boogies. 1:09:53.040 --> 1:09:53.639 Is that true? 1:09:55.240 --> 1:09:57.280 Yeah, I'll tell you the other half of it. The 1:09:57.320 --> 1:09:59.280 other half it was like the other half of it 1:09:59.320 --> 1:10:02.880 was like, look, man, I need to bring your amplifier back, and. 1:10:04.640 --> 1:10:06.680 I wonder know if you can do something for me. Well, 1:10:06.720 --> 1:10:09.880 what kind of hell was it? It's a princeton, souped 1:10:09.960 --> 1:10:12.479 up princeton before it was a book. It's a zoop 1:10:12.479 --> 1:10:15.040 stop Princeton before it was a boogie and he says, so, 1:10:15.160 --> 1:10:16.200 he says, what can I do for you? 1:10:16.200 --> 1:10:16.360 Man? 1:10:16.439 --> 1:10:19.320 I says, I need for you to put another volume control. 1:10:20.360 --> 1:10:24.040 He goes, what put another volume control? He goes, what four? 1:10:24.479 --> 1:10:26.920 So I can turn this one to ten and this 1:10:26.960 --> 1:10:30.519 one to one and I can sustain and not drive 1:10:30.600 --> 1:10:32.040 people crazy in the hotel. 1:10:33.240 --> 1:10:39.600 Oh, this is why you're on this episode because I 1:10:39.600 --> 1:10:42.840 would have never known to ask that question. Happy. 1:10:43.320 --> 1:10:46.800 Wow, And Who's who is the cat you took it to? 1:10:47.040 --> 1:10:49.120 I know I should know this because I work with Boogiey. 1:10:49.120 --> 1:10:52.759 His name is Randy Randy Smith, Randall Smith, Randall Smith. 1:10:52.800 --> 1:10:54.080 That's right, Sorry, Randall. 1:10:54.080 --> 1:11:02.000 If you hear this, Wait, something just hit me right now. 1:11:02.040 --> 1:11:04.400 And if I don't say it, I'll forget to ask it. 1:11:04.920 --> 1:11:07.760 But it just hit me. Wow. I can't believe I'm 1:11:07.760 --> 1:11:12.040 about to ask this question. I believe it is your 1:11:12.120 --> 1:11:18.200 albums that the world got to know the artwork of 1:11:18.360 --> 1:11:26.760 Marty Clairwin. Yeah, the Marty Clairwine. Yeah, like the infamous. 1:11:27.320 --> 1:11:31.320 You know, he did Bitches Brew. He did at least 1:11:31.600 --> 1:11:35.080 three covers for Herbie Hancock. He did Last Days in 1:11:35.120 --> 1:11:37.560 Time for Earth Wind and Fire had a very distinctive 1:11:38.760 --> 1:11:41.880 part collage. I mean again, if for our listeners out there, 1:11:42.000 --> 1:11:44.840 just look up Bitches brew look up at Braxis. I mean, 1:11:44.920 --> 1:11:49.599 I believe a Braxic Braxis Is, I think his first cover. 1:11:50.040 --> 1:11:54.599 How did you discover Marty clair Wine and how did 1:11:54.640 --> 1:12:00.479 he wind up just designing for practically eight other artist 1:12:01.320 --> 1:12:04.080 on Columbia And did you feel some sort of way 1:12:04.720 --> 1:12:08.800 when everyone wanted to use his artwork after you used 1:12:08.880 --> 1:12:10.880 him first? 1:12:11.760 --> 1:12:15.400 To be with precision and specificity, it was Miles Davis 1:12:15.520 --> 1:12:19.519 with Bitches Brewed that came out. That Cauban in sixty nine, 1:12:19.560 --> 1:12:23.240 I was came out in nineteen seventy. Now, the Braxis album, 1:12:23.960 --> 1:12:27.760 The Black Naked Lady, that's Mary, and the angel with 1:12:27.800 --> 1:12:31.519 the conga that's Gabriel. So that's the annunciation that she's 1:12:31.520 --> 1:12:34.320 going she's gonna get pregnant with Jesus. So the whole 1:12:35.560 --> 1:12:39.600 a cover of a Braxist is actually called the annunciation 1:12:39.680 --> 1:12:42.759 because Gabriel with the conga between his legs, the beautiful 1:12:42.800 --> 1:12:47.559 angel is telling Mary you know you're you're either about 1:12:47.600 --> 1:12:49.320 to or you're pregnant with Jesus. 1:12:50.040 --> 1:12:53.320 That's what that think is about Wow, Okay, do you 1:12:53.360 --> 1:12:57.200 have your were you do you own the original piece? 1:12:58.920 --> 1:13:00.840 I almost bought it, but I did. I tell what 1:13:00.880 --> 1:13:04.600 I did by in perpetuity. I bought the angel with 1:13:04.640 --> 1:13:08.200 the conga. Every time you see that angel with the 1:13:08.240 --> 1:13:09.880 conga between his legs. 1:13:10.120 --> 1:13:10.960 That one is mine. 1:13:11.040 --> 1:13:14.560 I bought that one from him in perpetuity and perpetuity 1:13:14.680 --> 1:13:16.519 because that's what Santana is. As soon as you see 1:13:16.560 --> 1:13:19.519 that angel with the conga, you know that's you know, 1:13:19.960 --> 1:13:21.840 that's that's the logo. That's Santana logo. 1:13:22.160 --> 1:13:28.280 Okay, Yeah, I think at Electric Ladies Studios, they didn't 1:13:28.320 --> 1:13:34.840 realize that they had Stevie Wonder's artwork for Music of 1:13:34.920 --> 1:13:38.920 My Mind, at least the inside that Marty put together. 1:13:39.600 --> 1:13:43.000 They found it in the closet like after sitting in 1:13:43.040 --> 1:13:45.160 there for like forty five years, and they finally like 1:13:46.040 --> 1:13:50.760 framed it and hung it up. But yeah, so, I mean, 1:13:50.880 --> 1:13:53.040 what was it What was it about his work that 1:13:53.120 --> 1:14:00.280 spoke to you acid? There? You go, all right, since 1:14:00.280 --> 1:14:03.799 you brought it up, what is it about acid? And 1:14:05.280 --> 1:14:09.479 do you recommend it? And how should it how should 1:14:09.479 --> 1:14:14.800 it be partaking? I would assume in spiritual circumstances or 1:14:15.040 --> 1:14:18.120 what visions do you see? I've never asked a person 1:14:18.120 --> 1:14:23.400 what's it like to take acid. It's a very perpose 1:14:23.920 --> 1:14:24.320 to learn. 1:14:25.000 --> 1:14:28.559 It's a very it's a very personal experience, a very 1:14:28.600 --> 1:14:29.400 personal experience. 1:14:29.600 --> 1:14:34.240 And I do recommend it under supervision, you know. So, uh, 1:14:34.800 --> 1:14:36.120 they have, believe it or not. 1:14:36.160 --> 1:14:40.519 They actually have people's tours that they go to South 1:14:40.520 --> 1:14:45.040 America in the jungles of Peru and Brazil and they 1:14:45.080 --> 1:14:48.040 spend a week in or a week and they do 1:14:48.080 --> 1:14:51.519 the ayahuasca thing, and uh, you know, it's it's a 1:14:51.560 --> 1:14:57.120 form of, uh, getting rid of a bunch of personalities 1:14:58.120 --> 1:15:02.559 that you invested in emotionally that it's not you. Oh 1:15:03.960 --> 1:15:07.639 tell me, Oh, I'm in you know, because because your 1:15:07.640 --> 1:15:09.439 friends see you this way, and then you teach you 1:15:09.479 --> 1:15:11.760 see you that way, and then your mom see you 1:15:11.800 --> 1:15:12.160 this way. 1:15:12.280 --> 1:15:12.599 You know. 1:15:12.680 --> 1:15:15.360 But who really here's the question, you know, the main 1:15:15.439 --> 1:15:18.639 question about LSD. Who really are you when you stand 1:15:19.240 --> 1:15:20.519 but naked in front of. 1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:21.160 Your own light? 1:15:22.400 --> 1:15:22.679 Wow? 1:15:22.720 --> 1:15:24.240 Now I can do this, not just I can do 1:15:24.280 --> 1:15:27.760 this with ayot or ayahuasca or acid or is. 1:15:27.720 --> 1:15:35.080 There one author different? Yeah? Thank you, thank you. 1:15:35.080 --> 1:15:36.840 You know, all of the all of those things are 1:15:36.960 --> 1:15:41.120 just like portals. It's just it's just fears and portals 1:15:41.160 --> 1:15:44.080 that you walk into. And if you're a nice person, 1:15:44.080 --> 1:15:45.280 you're going to have a great time. 1:15:45.720 --> 1:15:49.360 If you're an a, you don't don't try it because 1:15:49.360 --> 1:15:51.760 you you know, some people when you do it, they 1:15:51.760 --> 1:15:54.840 make the mistake of getting under the sheets because they 1:15:54.840 --> 1:15:57.040 don't like what they're seeing, you know, And that makes 1:15:57.040 --> 1:15:59.960 it worse because now you've got to deal with you. 1:16:00.640 --> 1:16:03.479 I've heard this, you know, so I've heard this. 1:16:04.320 --> 1:16:05.639 I had so much fun. 1:16:05.800 --> 1:16:08.519 I thought I was a kid man in Disneyland, and 1:16:08.840 --> 1:16:12.080 I had free tickets for the older rides, and you know, 1:16:12.400 --> 1:16:14.920 because I wasn't afraid, and I was still not afraid. 1:16:15.160 --> 1:16:17.840 And you're a nice person, and I'm a nice person. 1:16:19.320 --> 1:16:23.840 Can I ask my second shared a question speaking of 1:16:24.479 --> 1:16:27.160 what you were just saying. With regards to taking answer, 1:16:27.360 --> 1:16:29.519 you said you played on a song called Pretty as 1:16:29.560 --> 1:16:34.880 You Feel with Jefferson Airplane in nineteen seventy one and 1:16:35.120 --> 1:16:38.120 played with with Yorma Calcn on that song. Can you 1:16:38.160 --> 1:16:40.519 tell us anything you remember about that session or about 1:16:40.800 --> 1:16:41.599 playing with Yorma? 1:16:41.600 --> 1:16:43.320 And do you still talk to Yorma. 1:16:43.960 --> 1:16:46.679 We haven't seen each other in a while. 1:16:46.680 --> 1:16:48.800 The last time we did something was think called Blues 1:16:48.800 --> 1:16:53.560 Forsavador with Jerry Garcia and Wayne Shorter and Bunny Ray No, 1:16:53.680 --> 1:16:54.439 I haven't seen. 1:16:54.280 --> 1:16:55.120 Him, you know. 1:16:55.400 --> 1:16:59.439 It was that was like a beautiful way for me 1:16:59.520 --> 1:17:05.320 to be accepted, because Santana wasn't totally accepted, you know, 1:17:05.520 --> 1:17:08.599 in the San Francisco scene, because we were rough. 1:17:08.880 --> 1:17:11.360 You know, we're from the Mission District and we're rough. 1:17:11.400 --> 1:17:15.280 We're not necessarily like groovy, fire out whatever, man, hippie. 1:17:15.280 --> 1:17:15.439 You know. 1:17:15.479 --> 1:17:17.200 We were like, no, man, we don't you know. 1:17:18.240 --> 1:17:21.880 So it was different until I started smoking weed and 1:17:21.960 --> 1:17:24.200 taking LSD and I said, oh, yeah, now I know 1:17:24.240 --> 1:17:26.720 what they're talking about. Let's go to Montauo Pias and 1:17:26.800 --> 1:17:29.920 hang out with Quicksilver and the Greyfoot Dead and your 1:17:30.040 --> 1:17:31.639 Mine and Jack Cassidy. 1:17:31.680 --> 1:17:31.880 You know. 1:17:32.120 --> 1:17:33.559 But in the beginning it was kind of like a 1:17:34.120 --> 1:17:38.720 rival conflict kind of thing, and basically basically because of 1:17:38.760 --> 1:17:42.599 there's a mentality of Marine County versus the Mission District 1:17:42.680 --> 1:17:46.000 in San Francisco, which is like like the Jets and 1:17:46.040 --> 1:17:46.880 the Sharks. 1:17:49.800 --> 1:17:52.479 Do you remember that session for that song. 1:17:54.000 --> 1:17:55.680 I think I smoked a lot of weed that day, 1:17:55.720 --> 1:17:56.840 so I don't know if I remember it. 1:17:56.920 --> 1:18:01.479 That everything else though you were a hope to stonech 1:18:02.400 --> 1:18:04.559 Y Goles. 1:18:05.240 --> 1:18:07.120 I wanted to ask you, and it is a little 1:18:07.240 --> 1:18:11.120 further in the timeline, what do you recall about the 1:18:11.120 --> 1:18:16.400 song whatever happens with Michael Jackson that you played one. 1:18:15.200 --> 1:18:16.040 That is so sweet? 1:18:16.080 --> 1:18:16.320 Man? 1:18:17.240 --> 1:18:22.360 That was so sweet? They told me, hey, Michael, because 1:18:22.360 --> 1:18:24.840 at that time I was just supernatural. Everybody was calling, 1:18:24.920 --> 1:18:28.960 you know, Prince and Michael and everybody want to find 1:18:29.000 --> 1:18:33.120 out if we could interact, you know, in exchange, and uh, 1:18:34.320 --> 1:18:37.439 you know, uh being a fan of both Prince and 1:18:37.520 --> 1:18:39.840 Michael Jackson, I mean to the max you know who 1:18:39.920 --> 1:18:43.000 isn't you know? And uh, I mean I. 1:18:42.960 --> 1:18:46.360 Got like a bunch of stories to share with Prince, 1:18:46.439 --> 1:18:48.680 but I won't do it right now. But the way 1:18:48.720 --> 1:18:52.960 with Michael Jackson, I received this phone call and it 1:18:53.080 --> 1:18:58.360 was from his last arranger, producer h right now. 1:18:58.400 --> 1:19:00.519 I forget his name. He was the main guy, John. 1:19:02.200 --> 1:19:03.400 John Queen Lane. 1:19:04.160 --> 1:19:05.040 No, I don't think it. 1:19:05.040 --> 1:19:10.320 Was Jeremy Love was Jeremy Love it? No? What's his 1:19:10.400 --> 1:19:14.679 name from Philly? Uh? My guy? Yeah? 1:19:16.880 --> 1:19:19.680 Call an He called and they said they sent me 1:19:19.720 --> 1:19:23.640 the track and and then I played on it and 1:19:23.640 --> 1:19:27.320 and I was like, wow, you know, I'm just so 1:19:27.439 --> 1:19:32.040 honor you know that I'm able to uh be with 1:19:32.120 --> 1:19:33.920 Michael Jackson and with Prinds. 1:19:33.960 --> 1:19:36.320 We we we. 1:19:35.760 --> 1:19:37.880 We did a lot of things live, but we never 1:19:37.960 --> 1:19:40.320 recorded it. And same thing with Miles, you know. So 1:19:40.680 --> 1:19:46.519 I feel very validated and celebrated because well, it took 1:19:46.600 --> 1:19:49.120 him a long, long, long, long long time for the 1:19:49.160 --> 1:19:52.720 Grammys to acknowledge me and anything, and they finally give 1:19:52.720 --> 1:19:55.960 it to me with Supernatural, like you know, eight eleven 1:19:56.040 --> 1:20:00.439 nomination eleven nominations, and and I wanted the same and 1:20:00.479 --> 1:20:05.280 I won nine, uh Grammy's like Michael, you know. And 1:20:05.360 --> 1:20:08.000 what was really crazy is like likes like a supremel 1:20:08.160 --> 1:20:10.120 is the the last one? 1:20:10.920 --> 1:20:12.000 Is Bob Dylan. 1:20:13.280 --> 1:20:16.040 And Lauren Hill giving me the last one, you know, 1:20:16.439 --> 1:20:19.800 And here's Marry Belafonte and Wayne Shoulder and that's all 1:20:19.840 --> 1:20:20.280 I can see. 1:20:20.320 --> 1:20:20.439 Man. 1:20:20.479 --> 1:20:21.680 I just see Wayne. 1:20:21.360 --> 1:20:26.280 Shoulder and Herry Belafonte and Bob Dylan and and I 1:20:26.960 --> 1:20:30.160 remember saying, I am so grateful, thank you for this 1:20:30.200 --> 1:20:34.880 beautiful night, long live John Coltrane and John Lee hook 1:20:35.640 --> 1:20:37.400 you know, because that's my foundation. 1:20:37.600 --> 1:20:43.120 John Lee is like he calls me and he says Carlos. 1:20:42.640 --> 1:20:48.080 I says, yes, John, He says, I loves God and 1:20:48.200 --> 1:20:52.760 I loves people, you know. And and he called me 1:20:52.800 --> 1:20:59.799 one time for his birthday and he says, I said, hello, hey, man, 1:21:00.200 --> 1:21:02.960 good to call me. Sometimes I says, are you doing, 1:21:03.040 --> 1:21:04.840 Johnny says a man. 1:21:06.280 --> 1:21:10.840 When I hear you your boys, it's like eating a 1:21:10.840 --> 1:21:14.120 great big piece of chocolate cake. 1:21:18.479 --> 1:21:19.120 And I have it. 1:21:19.200 --> 1:21:23.080 I recorded it, you know, because see I'm just I'm 1:21:23.120 --> 1:21:24.000 showing that right now. 1:21:24.000 --> 1:21:30.040 He goes, this is my validation, man, hooker. That's that's 1:21:30.040 --> 1:21:32.840 what Santana is about, you know, with a lot of 1:21:32.920 --> 1:21:34.280 drums for you. 1:21:34.520 --> 1:21:40.040 Okay. So I was going to say, when okay, we're 1:21:40.040 --> 1:21:41.920 going all over the timeline. Now this might as well 1:21:42.000 --> 1:21:45.200 just be rapid fire. Let's go. So the thing is, 1:21:45.439 --> 1:21:47.719 the thing is is that Okay, So in eighty five 1:21:48.520 --> 1:21:53.000 when Prince said, you know, like everyone keeps comparing to 1:21:53.040 --> 1:21:55.320 me to Hendricks, but that's basically because we have the 1:21:55.360 --> 1:21:59.080 same skin color. But they really listened to my work. 1:21:59.120 --> 1:22:02.600 They would clearly say that I'm from you know, the 1:22:02.760 --> 1:22:06.080 DNA of Santana, which is true. But this is what 1:22:06.120 --> 1:22:13.719 I want to know, especially with your work with both 1:22:13.840 --> 1:22:17.760 Lauren and why Cliff. And the thing is is that 1:22:18.760 --> 1:22:26.559 you know when you're on Zion, and the thing is 1:22:26.560 --> 1:22:32.559 is like, and I again, I know that that Marachi playing, 1:22:32.920 --> 1:22:37.280 you know, that's your roots and whatnot playing acoustic guitar. However, 1:22:38.360 --> 1:22:43.680 I'm almost are you worried that people aren't really grasping 1:22:44.840 --> 1:22:47.360 what your artistry is? Because the thing is is that 1:22:47.479 --> 1:22:50.840 and I'm not going into type casting, but if I'm 1:22:50.880 --> 1:22:55.559 getting Santana on my record, I would have probably had 1:22:55.600 --> 1:22:59.479 you do something that's closer to the guitar solo that's 1:22:59.479 --> 1:23:03.639 at the end of X Factor X Factor, which sounds 1:23:04.439 --> 1:23:06.439 I thought that was Santana when I heard that he 1:23:06.560 --> 1:23:08.559 was on the album, I thought that was him at 1:23:08.680 --> 1:23:12.000 d X factor. The thing is, because of you know, 1:23:12.080 --> 1:23:15.000 this is like CD streaming time. You know, you don't 1:23:15.040 --> 1:23:16.960 live with liner notes the way that you used to 1:23:17.040 --> 1:23:20.439 when it was cassettes and LPs. So I just always 1:23:20.479 --> 1:23:23.360 assumed that you weren't X factor. And then one day 1:23:23.360 --> 1:23:25.840 when I like just sat and read her liner notes, 1:23:26.160 --> 1:23:29.080 I'm like, wait a minute, does she get to play 1:23:29.080 --> 1:23:34.880 acoustic guitar? Because like, oh, Mexican Santana give him to 1:23:34.880 --> 1:23:38.080 play acoustic And I was like, I wonder if she 1:23:38.240 --> 1:23:41.400 knows that his sound was really the sound of the 1:23:41.439 --> 1:23:45.840 song that came before that, and also with with the 1:23:45.840 --> 1:23:48.960 product beat GB and with y Cleft the same thing. 1:23:50.760 --> 1:23:54.559 Do you sometimes wonder an. 1:23:54.439 --> 1:23:56.280 Album, what's the song of me? Or what's the song 1:23:57.000 --> 1:23:57.439 I forget? 1:23:57.560 --> 1:24:02.240 What for Lay's album? Yeah, Lauren was Zion was Zion, 1:24:02.280 --> 1:24:05.879 but the one we're talking about is X factor. Yes, right, 1:24:05.880 --> 1:24:10.120 So what I'm just saying is that, you know, I 1:24:10.160 --> 1:24:12.439 was trying to over I was over as with everything. 1:24:12.439 --> 1:24:15.559 I overanalyzed it, and I was like, well, did they 1:24:15.600 --> 1:24:19.840 take him out of his normal comfort zone because they 1:24:19.880 --> 1:24:23.040 didn't want him to sound like Carlos Santana or did 1:24:23.080 --> 1:24:26.040 they just not know? Because I was just wondering, like, 1:24:26.400 --> 1:24:31.120 why would you have Carlo Santana just play acoustic guitar 1:24:31.240 --> 1:24:34.400 when he really would light up? Let me just start 1:24:34.439 --> 1:24:36.680 all over again. What was the creative process like when 1:24:36.720 --> 1:24:39.920 you did Lauren and when you work with y Cliff 1:24:40.080 --> 1:24:44.520 on your solo record and when you did a miseducation 1:24:44.560 --> 1:24:45.160 of Lauren Hill. 1:24:45.920 --> 1:24:48.280 Well, thank you for all that, you know, let me 1:24:48.280 --> 1:24:52.960 explain to you how I arrived at getting the sound. 1:24:53.600 --> 1:24:57.320 Okay, So there was a picnic in San Jose like 1:24:57.360 --> 1:25:00.880 around this summer, and I went there and there was 1:25:00.920 --> 1:25:04.040 a park, and in the park in the afternoon they 1:25:04.040 --> 1:25:08.200 were playing like a picnic. They were playing mariachi music. 1:25:08.960 --> 1:25:10.000 They were playing. 1:25:10.240 --> 1:25:14.679 Afro Cuban music, which is like chadanga Cha Cha cha 1:25:14.760 --> 1:25:20.439 Dan song Medenge you know from from Dominican Republican and 1:25:21.000 --> 1:25:24.200 guahitas like Ray Baretto. And then you have a rock 1:25:24.240 --> 1:25:26.879 and roll band, you know, like like a bunch of surfers, 1:25:26.880 --> 1:25:29.000 you know. So I'm hearing all music at the same time. 1:25:29.040 --> 1:25:31.840 When I got out of the car, I'm hearing three 1:25:31.880 --> 1:25:39.519 different sounds, and I went, oh, okay. So it's like 1:25:40.520 --> 1:25:44.519 it's just like grabbing all of it and making one sound. 1:25:45.640 --> 1:25:49.639 And so now when people they're still trying to define 1:25:49.680 --> 1:25:53.160 me sometimes and I just told him very politely, well, 1:25:55.600 --> 1:25:57.520 I am a multi dimensional motherfucker. 1:25:59.080 --> 1:26:05.800 It's a good part, okay. 1:26:05.840 --> 1:26:10.160 Yeah, that that or a Mexic MEXI C A N 1:26:10.320 --> 1:26:15.400 with capital C A N. But the reason I say that, man, 1:26:15.479 --> 1:26:18.519 is because I have the confidence after being with Tony 1:26:19.240 --> 1:26:23.360 and Herbie and Wayne and Miles and they invited me 1:26:23.400 --> 1:26:26.519 into their sanctune, you know, and all of them bb King, 1:26:26.640 --> 1:26:28.479 Freddie King, alber King, you know. 1:26:28.840 --> 1:26:33.320 So it has given me a confidence that all I 1:26:33.360 --> 1:26:33.960 need to do. 1:26:33.920 --> 1:26:37.360 Now is just compliment whatever gets in front of me, 1:26:37.800 --> 1:26:41.519 because I'm not going to let myself for anybody. So 1:26:41.640 --> 1:26:48.160 go encapsulate me or put me, define me, to redefine me, because. 1:26:49.320 --> 1:26:52.160 Let's go back to Bruce, Bruce Lee. Let's be let's 1:26:52.240 --> 1:26:52.840 just be water. 1:26:54.200 --> 1:26:56.920 You know, so Carlos Santana has never played a link 1:26:56.960 --> 1:26:58.720 that Carlos Santana ain't want to play and ain't plan 1:26:58.800 --> 1:26:59.400 out himself. 1:26:59.800 --> 1:27:01.360 No, no, no, no no. 1:27:02.080 --> 1:27:04.280 There's a lot of artists that you know I would respect, 1:27:04.479 --> 1:27:06.519 but if they would call me, I would say, I'm 1:27:06.600 --> 1:27:08.720 kind of busy and thank you right now, but my 1:27:08.840 --> 1:27:10.760 plate is full and my fact I gotta do time 1:27:10.840 --> 1:27:13.759 with my family. And the only Crichaire that I wouldn't 1:27:13.800 --> 1:27:16.599 played with someone is if I don't feel it. If 1:27:16.640 --> 1:27:19.760 I don't feel it, I'm not going to play. 1:27:23.040 --> 1:27:26.280 I was asking just from the standpoint of Okay, for example, 1:27:26.280 --> 1:27:29.280 I'm probably guilty of the same thing myself, not because 1:27:29.320 --> 1:27:31.240 I told him to do this, but because this is 1:27:31.240 --> 1:27:34.479 what we chose to use. But the one time that 1:27:34.560 --> 1:27:39.680 we worked with Prince on the record, Prince only played keyboards, 1:27:40.040 --> 1:27:43.599 which you know, it's almost like Wow, you got Prince 1:27:43.680 --> 1:27:47.519 to play on an album that you produced and he 1:27:47.520 --> 1:27:49.599 didn't touch the guitar once you got him to play 1:27:50.960 --> 1:27:53.160 like you got him to play tambourine like that sort 1:27:53.240 --> 1:27:57.160 of thing. And I just I just I don't know. 1:27:57.240 --> 1:28:00.680 I just felt like, once I found out that you 1:28:00.720 --> 1:28:04.160 weren't playing in your the signature style that I know 1:28:04.280 --> 1:28:07.320 you for, I was just wondering why they didn't use 1:28:07.360 --> 1:28:12.280 that to the hilt on those particular records. But granted, yes, 1:28:12.640 --> 1:28:15.960 your water and you can't be type cast and there's 1:28:16.000 --> 1:28:20.920 nothing that you don't do that's not you, So I 1:28:20.960 --> 1:28:21.719 respect that. 1:28:22.320 --> 1:28:24.519 You know the whole thing about this in this interview, 1:28:24.600 --> 1:28:27.360 you can just summarize it in two words. 1:28:27.720 --> 1:28:28.040 Hit me. 1:28:28.600 --> 1:28:30.840 Impeccable integrity. 1:28:32.880 --> 1:28:36.280 That's it, you know, because everybody that I love they 1:28:36.320 --> 1:28:40.480 have that sound of impeccable integrity. 1:28:41.360 --> 1:28:45.639 And with that sound you get a standing ovation from. 1:28:46.400 --> 1:28:50.600 God, the angels, and the devil that was that is 1:28:50.640 --> 1:28:52.799 there is such a thing. I don't believe in Satan, Lucifer, 1:28:52.960 --> 1:28:55.800 in the devil, you know, I believe in e g Oh. 1:28:55.840 --> 1:28:59.320 I believe that ego is creates, you know, the Boogeyman 1:28:59.479 --> 1:29:02.200 and wolf In and Dracula enough. But since I'm of 1:29:02.280 --> 1:29:06.200 a spiritual adult, that stuff don't bother me. You know, 1:29:06.360 --> 1:29:08.880 I never seen the Exorcise, and I don't want to 1:29:08.960 --> 1:29:11.640 because I don't. I don't want to soult my my 1:29:12.120 --> 1:29:16.880 subtle nerves watching stupid movies that that people sell to 1:29:17.240 --> 1:29:19.960 sell you fear. There see, not people selling you fear 1:29:20.000 --> 1:29:23.439 in every channel already, you know. So I go when 1:29:23.439 --> 1:29:26.720 I when when when I When I'm thirsty, you know, 1:29:26.800 --> 1:29:30.519 when I'm thirsty, I go to Coltrane immediately, and Miles 1:29:31.560 --> 1:29:34.720 on the corner, you know, on the corner is like, man, 1:29:34.800 --> 1:29:37.559 it's you know, it's what's New York City on the 1:29:37.600 --> 1:29:38.840 court right now? 1:29:40.400 --> 1:29:43.080 Oh wait, there's one question I do have to ask 1:29:43.080 --> 1:29:46.400 you about your your seventies catalog. One of my favorite 1:29:46.400 --> 1:29:49.360 record of yours is uh boar boor letter. 1:29:50.080 --> 1:29:50.680 Yeah. 1:29:51.000 --> 1:29:56.680 Now for for that period of your life, what is 1:29:57.080 --> 1:29:59.960 what is the creative process that leads to the crafting 1:30:00.080 --> 1:30:03.760 other songs? Is it just you guys jamming? Like is 1:30:03.800 --> 1:30:07.160 it done Bitch's Bruce style where you just play whatever 1:30:07.280 --> 1:30:09.640 is in your heart and then you edit later Like 1:30:10.760 --> 1:30:13.960 I don't I'm not certain who does your editing or whatever? 1:30:14.160 --> 1:30:19.480 Like you're whoever your t O is, like, is it 1:30:19.520 --> 1:30:22.320 is it pre planned? Our songs pre written or are 1:30:22.360 --> 1:30:25.160 you guys just jamming like spontaneously. 1:30:25.960 --> 1:30:27.320 We just jammed spontaneously. 1:30:27.360 --> 1:30:29.240 We didn't have the knife yet, so we never knew 1:30:29.240 --> 1:30:33.080 how to edit back then, you know. And I take 1:30:33.120 --> 1:30:36.200 pride in saying, most of the stuff that I ever 1:30:36.320 --> 1:30:39.640 done is the one take. If I got to if 1:30:39.680 --> 1:30:41.160 I got to go to the second or third take, 1:30:41.760 --> 1:30:42.720 let's go to another. 1:30:42.479 --> 1:30:43.800 Song, you know. 1:30:44.280 --> 1:30:48.000 So so the one take allows me to feel confident 1:30:48.240 --> 1:30:52.400 that I called and Doogu to play drums, and Stanley 1:30:52.479 --> 1:30:56.200 Clark and our mom Paassa and airto you know. And 1:30:56.760 --> 1:30:58.760 because I can read how people look at you. Man, 1:30:58.800 --> 1:31:00.559 if they don't want to be in the room and 1:31:00.560 --> 1:31:02.680 they don't feel like they want to play with me, 1:31:02.720 --> 1:31:05.200 then they won't. But I can see when somebody says, 1:31:05.760 --> 1:31:08.439 this is going to be interesting. Let's see what Santana 1:31:08.520 --> 1:31:10.800 want to go? You know, do do do do do 1:31:10.800 --> 1:31:16.320 do do do do the damn. So I'm thinking Pharaoh Sanders, 1:31:17.120 --> 1:31:19.800 you know, I'm thinking the things that I love, man, 1:31:19.840 --> 1:31:25.479 Pharaoh Sanders, weather Report, you know. And so when we 1:31:25.560 --> 1:31:27.400 when we hit it, I just we just gave him 1:31:27.400 --> 1:31:33.040 a little sketch of uh of a clue and then 1:31:33.040 --> 1:31:33.880 we hit it. 1:31:34.560 --> 1:31:39.840 Okay, So that said, how are you able to miraculously 1:31:41.280 --> 1:31:46.720 at least engage in the patience factor with your respective 1:31:47.560 --> 1:31:52.240 label bosses, with Clyde Davis and with Walter Yett in 1:31:52.240 --> 1:31:56.320 a cough in terms of sticking to your artistic vision, 1:31:56.600 --> 1:32:03.080 artistic vision and not giving into what I'm clear that 1:32:03.240 --> 1:32:05.519 every time you play them, this is the final album 1:32:05.560 --> 1:32:09.400 where they're telling you, please just one, just just work 1:32:09.439 --> 1:32:11.080 with this one songwriter so you can have a top 1:32:11.120 --> 1:32:15.640 ten hit. Please just one more, please one you know, 1:32:15.720 --> 1:32:19.720 but evil ways or whatever like how because these these 1:32:19.720 --> 1:32:23.200 albums are closer, it's closer to on the corner live 1:32:23.240 --> 1:32:25.760 evil bitches brew like you're in that creative zone. So 1:32:25.800 --> 1:32:32.880 how are you able to sustain that that magic at 1:32:32.960 --> 1:32:36.479 least for the two decades that you were with UH, 1:32:37.160 --> 1:32:39.880 with Sony Columbia Okay, with. 1:32:40.000 --> 1:32:45.760 The exception of Clive and Bill Grant in a Chris 1:32:47.400 --> 1:32:50.160 from the gentleman who produced Bob. 1:32:49.920 --> 1:32:54.040 Marley, right, Okay, so Chris Black. 1:32:54.160 --> 1:32:57.160 Black Okay, with the obsession a few brothers like that, 1:32:57.640 --> 1:33:00.880 while people like Walter, Yeah, I don't know where sad Faid, 1:33:00.880 --> 1:33:03.920 I don't care so what people like that. I have 1:33:04.000 --> 1:33:06.200 an attitude that I say, I'm going to be here 1:33:06.320 --> 1:33:10.880 long after you're gone, okay, because I seen nine of 1:33:10.920 --> 1:33:15.439 you come and go. I'm still here, you know, and 1:33:15.520 --> 1:33:17.639 so I'm going to do what I'm going to do. 1:33:18.479 --> 1:33:21.920 And you can either uh. And I went to this 1:33:21.960 --> 1:33:24.519 stuff with Donnie Roner and a bunch of a bunch of. 1:33:26.080 --> 1:33:26.559 CEO. 1:33:26.760 --> 1:33:30.120 So whatever you know, because I tell and I tell 1:33:30.200 --> 1:33:35.439 him straight up. Man, there's artists and con artists, and 1:33:35.520 --> 1:33:38.760 I know who I am and you know who you are. 1:33:40.000 --> 1:33:40.320 I don't know. 1:33:40.479 --> 1:33:43.760 I don't have to say let me do this, because no, 1:33:44.000 --> 1:33:45.559 I'm just saying I'm going to do this. And if 1:33:45.600 --> 1:33:47.559 you don't like it, well then I just be here 1:33:47.600 --> 1:33:50.559 and with another record company, you know, And you can 1:33:50.600 --> 1:33:53.840 talk to my lawyer and Bill Graham or whatever you know, 1:33:54.280 --> 1:33:57.559 but you have to have a certain conviction determination that 1:33:57.640 --> 1:33:59.040 you're bigger than the company. 1:33:59.640 --> 1:34:02.800 Oh damn, y'all hear that? 1:34:03.240 --> 1:34:06.240 Dude? Man, this this might have to put Matthew Knowles 1:34:06.280 --> 1:34:11.240 in second place. I mean, I respect, this might be 1:34:11.479 --> 1:34:13.919 this might be my all time favorite interview. 1:34:15.680 --> 1:34:18.519 That's such an education and so many subjects. 1:34:18.080 --> 1:34:24.080 Thank you, no, no, please? Why the p r S. 1:34:24.200 --> 1:34:26.599 I feel like the woodstock was the s G and 1:34:26.640 --> 1:34:29.760 the Gibson stuff, and you're so defined by that sound 1:34:29.840 --> 1:34:31.639 of the pr S. Why why is that? 1:34:32.479 --> 1:34:34.800 Because it stays in tune and it seems really good 1:34:36.320 --> 1:34:37.000 the SG. 1:34:37.360 --> 1:34:39.120 I wanted to be a bigger answer than that. But 1:34:39.160 --> 1:34:41.080 if it's just that, that's cool, Okay. 1:34:40.920 --> 1:34:43.640 The SG neck, That's what I was saying that it 1:34:43.720 --> 1:34:47.320 was like playing an electric snake because it was like 1:34:47.400 --> 1:34:49.519 it was moving around like a snake when I was 1:34:49.560 --> 1:34:52.320 playing it, and you see me making ugly faces. I'm 1:34:52.320 --> 1:34:55.120 trying to make it stand still, you know, because that 1:34:55.280 --> 1:34:57.840 because the neck of the guitar is literally moving kind 1:34:57.880 --> 1:35:00.240 of like this. So so so I used to out 1:35:00.240 --> 1:35:02.360 of tune a lot, and so I said, man, I 1:35:03.080 --> 1:35:04.559 need to have one more time. 1:35:04.720 --> 1:35:06.519 I need to have confidence. 1:35:06.000 --> 1:35:09.320 That my guitar is going to behave So I stopped 1:35:09.320 --> 1:35:12.639 playing the sge's because the neck wasn't conducive to being 1:35:12.880 --> 1:35:14.040 in tune as I wanted to. 1:35:14.280 --> 1:35:16.360 So I got the less pole, and after the less pole, 1:35:16.680 --> 1:35:17.599 I went to Yamaha. 1:35:17.600 --> 1:35:21.000 And after Yamaha, I went to Paul rees Smith came 1:35:21.040 --> 1:35:24.439 to me and very graciously said, hey, man, I made 1:35:24.479 --> 1:35:28.519 this guitar, but right now, everything else the guitar player 1:35:29.120 --> 1:35:31.280 he belongs to heart. You know, there's the group hard 1:35:31.760 --> 1:35:33.240 but I'm going to send it to you for a 1:35:33.600 --> 1:35:35.559 week and you can't have it. You can just play 1:35:35.600 --> 1:35:37.400 it and if you like it, then I'll make you one. 1:35:37.920 --> 1:35:42.840 And so I love people with conviction and determination, and 1:35:42.920 --> 1:35:45.000 I liked it so much. I've been with him since 1:35:45.960 --> 1:35:48.800 seventy eight, seventy nine. 1:35:49.960 --> 1:35:52.880 How many access do you own? Or is that just. 1:35:54.720 --> 1:35:55.200 I don't know? 1:35:55.360 --> 1:35:57.439 It's in the gajillions story. 1:35:57.520 --> 1:36:01.000 No, no, no, I on's they gets through like fifty 1:36:01.200 --> 1:36:03.679 I get rid of them and I get I donate them, 1:36:03.840 --> 1:36:06.519 you know, to feed people here in Las Vegas, or 1:36:06.520 --> 1:36:09.400 to do this for schools like you were saying, you know, 1:36:09.880 --> 1:36:14.000 or hospitals or whatever, because uh, I don't want to 1:36:14.040 --> 1:36:16.000 pay insurance on something that I don't play. 1:36:18.200 --> 1:36:19.160 Then think about it like that. 1:36:19.560 --> 1:36:21.000 Damn, now you're making me feel bad. 1:36:21.000 --> 1:36:21.200 Man. 1:36:23.720 --> 1:36:25.120 I'm still keeping my drum sets. 1:36:25.200 --> 1:36:27.680 How do you navigate with the culturally or with the 1:36:27.720 --> 1:36:30.760 African continent. It's so interesting because I'm wondering, like with 1:36:30.840 --> 1:36:32.920 all the different sounds, all the different cultures all the 1:36:32.920 --> 1:36:36.080 different countries. And mind you you you're dealing with other 1:36:36.200 --> 1:36:38.880 cultures and stuff outside of the continent. But how do 1:36:38.920 --> 1:36:43.120 you navigate and through finding and discovering sound in that 1:36:43.280 --> 1:36:44.000 huge continent? 1:36:44.080 --> 1:36:45.960 And have you navigated it fully? Do you feel like 1:36:46.000 --> 1:36:46.200 you have? 1:36:47.680 --> 1:36:48.640 Thank you for asking that. 1:36:49.080 --> 1:36:53.720 Yeah, it's my favorite subject in music, which is the drums. 1:36:54.320 --> 1:36:59.800 The drum is the best. If you would, I swear 1:36:59.800 --> 1:37:03.240 to you, if we would just make it possible for 1:37:03.280 --> 1:37:05.160 the drums to be in the hood of Pabela, the 1:37:05.240 --> 1:37:10.480 barrio and the shanty towns, you know, you wouldn't need psychiatrists, therapists, anlins, 1:37:10.760 --> 1:37:13.800 pips or drug dealers, you know, because once you play 1:37:13.840 --> 1:37:14.640 the drums. 1:37:14.800 --> 1:37:22.639 Being kink competing kink, once you get into it, it's 1:37:22.680 --> 1:37:26.960 like you said, your DNA you remember that is the language, 1:37:27.240 --> 1:37:28.960 the language of light, you know. 1:37:29.439 --> 1:37:32.920 So I would remind doing we brought the. 1:37:32.960 --> 1:37:39.040 Quest a mission, you know, to bring the drums back 1:37:39.080 --> 1:37:41.680 to the hood. We close up as we close up 1:37:41.680 --> 1:37:44.160 the parks, you know, and with the fences, and we 1:37:44.240 --> 1:37:47.040 put police in there. One way in, one way out, okay, 1:37:47.200 --> 1:37:49.519 and you get a ticket when you come in and 1:37:49.560 --> 1:37:51.640 you have a gun, you get a ticket. 1:37:51.360 --> 1:37:53.160 You know, they put it. You know, we put the 1:37:53.160 --> 1:37:54.880 gun over there, and we'll give you a ticket, you know. 1:37:55.080 --> 1:37:59.960 And there's like about fifty sixty drums and badass drummer player. 1:38:00.200 --> 1:38:03.120 And then you have one drummer conga player dressed up 1:38:03.160 --> 1:38:05.680 like a police you know, so so they can feel comfortable, 1:38:05.760 --> 1:38:07.960 and he's playing his ass up, you know. And so 1:38:08.200 --> 1:38:10.760 one after that, not only have that they're playing. You 1:38:10.800 --> 1:38:14.840 say to them, okay, man uh if before you go, 1:38:15.439 --> 1:38:18.080 if you like the drum, you can take the drum, 1:38:18.560 --> 1:38:23.839 leave the gun. So we call it drums for guns, okay. 1:38:24.120 --> 1:38:26.800 And once we have enough guns, we melt them and 1:38:26.840 --> 1:38:29.320 we turn them into this beautiful angel. 1:38:30.479 --> 1:38:41.280 With a frow, you know, beautiful angel with a frow 1:38:41.560 --> 1:38:42.120 with a. 1:38:42.040 --> 1:38:46.240 Frow in Congas in Congus. You know, I like that. 1:38:46.840 --> 1:38:50.920 You just had a download right now. Man, Hey, it's 1:38:50.960 --> 1:38:53.439 in the world now drums drums for guns. I might 1:38:53.520 --> 1:38:57.320 have to do that. I might have to do that. 1:38:57.320 --> 1:38:59.879 That sounds like an initiative, okay. 1:39:00.080 --> 1:39:02.680 Invitation, And it's an invitation to do something that the 1:39:02.720 --> 1:39:06.160 police need to have. Because once we get the drums 1:39:06.160 --> 1:39:08.559 and people and we say we go to the mayor 1:39:08.840 --> 1:39:11.519 and say we need for you to allow the drums 1:39:11.560 --> 1:39:15.120 to be played from eleven in the afternoon. 1:39:15.479 --> 1:39:17.200 New York needs this bad. 1:39:17.600 --> 1:39:20.519 You know. And and and in certain parks where people 1:39:20.520 --> 1:39:21.000 can just. 1:39:27.479 --> 1:39:29.360 This is an issue right now in New York City 1:39:29.479 --> 1:39:33.559 because because of gentrification, a lot of spots in Brooklyn 1:39:33.600 --> 1:39:38.880 that I mean those parks that those parks that uh 1:39:39.439 --> 1:39:43.160 you know that were known for their Sunday Saturday all 1:39:43.240 --> 1:39:43.759 day drums. 1:39:43.880 --> 1:39:46.719 The next parksne has been stopped. 1:39:47.200 --> 1:39:50.680 Yes, in Prospect Park they stop that. Well, yeah, I 1:39:50.680 --> 1:39:53.880 think we still have our drum circle Prospers. 1:39:53.560 --> 1:39:55.760 You have it. But I'm seeing a lot of like 1:39:56.600 --> 1:40:02.639 you know, the first instance of carringing, always complaints of like. 1:40:02.640 --> 1:40:04.479 That's happened all over the country. It already happened in 1:40:04.560 --> 1:40:06.840 d They turned the park from. 1:40:09.080 --> 1:40:11.200 Why you asked the question before I got to ask 1:40:11.240 --> 1:40:14.960 my follow up question with your guitar is is there 1:40:15.479 --> 1:40:20.840 a seminal guitar that you'll always keep, like your woodstock 1:40:20.920 --> 1:40:25.439 guitar or your are you sentimental with with with your 1:40:25.479 --> 1:40:29.840 your children or it's just like you know, what you get, 1:40:29.880 --> 1:40:31.920 you get and then the rest just wind up in 1:40:31.960 --> 1:40:33.400 storage or you give them away. 1:40:34.560 --> 1:40:40.479 I got two three main quarterbacks, but I'm not attached emotionally. 1:40:41.320 --> 1:40:47.080 You too, Kirk, Yeah, No, I don't. 1:40:47.200 --> 1:40:50.800 I don't let sentimentality or my ego tell me that 1:40:50.920 --> 1:40:54.559 I can't do it without this. No, I can grab 1:40:54.640 --> 1:40:58.760 any guitar as long as the stays of tune and 1:40:59.280 --> 1:41:02.040 and it sounds like you know, just like you. 1:41:02.040 --> 1:41:03.599 You're going to sound like you and your drums. 1:41:03.800 --> 1:41:06.479 Cindy's gonna sound like Cydy on her drums, although she 1:41:06.720 --> 1:41:08.559 prefers gredge only. 1:41:09.040 --> 1:41:12.120 I see, I see. 1:41:12.720 --> 1:41:17.479 I'm today just just to get into the mood for tonight. 1:41:18.200 --> 1:41:20.560 It's been a long time, but I listened. 1:41:20.200 --> 1:41:23.000 To Europa. 1:41:23.960 --> 1:41:25.760 Earth's Cry Heaven Smile. 1:41:27.600 --> 1:41:31.240 Way back, even before I met the Roots. That was 1:41:32.160 --> 1:41:34.559 like a song that I would always go to for 1:41:34.680 --> 1:41:39.360 inspiration and still remains an inspiration to this day for me, I. 1:41:39.400 --> 1:41:40.240 Haven't heard a long time. 1:41:40.280 --> 1:41:44.519 I listened to today on the subway, and I kid 1:41:44.520 --> 1:41:46.200 you not, I'm sure it has a lot to do 1:41:46.280 --> 1:41:47.559 with things in this life. 1:41:47.560 --> 1:41:51.320 I'm growing you. But I wept. I wept openly on 1:41:51.360 --> 1:41:53.920 the subway listening to that song. 1:41:55.280 --> 1:41:58.479 So I thank you for that moment. And the other 1:41:58.520 --> 1:42:02.800 side of that, I want to know what h what 1:42:03.000 --> 1:42:05.839 guitar was that what what app what do you remember? 1:42:05.840 --> 1:42:09.320 What combination was? This is the version that was from Moonflower. 1:42:10.040 --> 1:42:13.840 Okay you remember, yeah it was. 1:42:15.080 --> 1:42:17.080 It was the last poll that Neil Shawn and I 1:42:17.160 --> 1:42:19.679 got at the same time at Don Weir's music shop 1:42:19.840 --> 1:42:22.280 that was kind of like the Manny's of San Francisco, 1:42:22.800 --> 1:42:24.479 and I was fleeing. I was playing to a twin, 1:42:25.000 --> 1:42:28.240 straight up, straight up to a twin, you know. But 1:42:28.360 --> 1:42:33.000 the song, the melody came from watching somebody next to me. 1:42:34.400 --> 1:42:36.479 She was she was she was gonna have a bad 1:42:36.520 --> 1:42:39.800 acid trip, you know, and so she was starting to 1:42:39.800 --> 1:42:42.080 freak out and get her get get like a little 1:42:42.720 --> 1:42:44.840 not little, a lot, really really paranoid. 1:42:45.320 --> 1:42:50.799 So I went, Bam, do do dude, The mushroom Ladies 1:42:50.880 --> 1:42:55.519 coming to town. So it's a song about a mushroom lady, 1:42:55.520 --> 1:42:56.400 which is a shaman. 1:42:56.880 --> 1:42:57.080 You know. 1:42:57.120 --> 1:42:59.960 I never put the lyrics on it, but my face 1:43:00.000 --> 1:43:01.599 everyone is got to Barbieria. 1:43:01.680 --> 1:43:04.240 He got to Barberia and played an incredible version of 1:43:04.360 --> 1:43:08.880 Oh yeah he My mother told me, I don't want 1:43:08.880 --> 1:43:11.120 to hurt your feelings, but I like his version better 1:43:11.160 --> 1:43:12.600 than yours. I said, thanks a. 1:43:12.600 --> 1:43:13.120 Lot, Mom. 1:43:15.000 --> 1:43:17.400 Wow, did you ever play with Gatto? 1:43:18.560 --> 1:43:24.759 Yes, yes, we played in Chicago and uh we played 1:43:24.760 --> 1:43:27.680 a couple of times. Man, he knew I love him, 1:43:27.680 --> 1:43:31.080 I adore him. I adore him. And Pharaoh Sanders they 1:43:31.120 --> 1:43:32.439 both got that sound. 1:43:32.600 --> 1:43:33.559 You know that sound. 1:43:34.920 --> 1:43:37.120 But hey man, before I leave, I do want to 1:43:37.160 --> 1:43:39.280 let you know that I'm going to invite you to 1:43:40.520 --> 1:43:43.600 please know that I'm going to do my best to 1:43:43.920 --> 1:43:48.240 put this thing Jubilation an album for sany chirak only, 1:43:48.640 --> 1:43:51.640 you know, with the baddest guitar players out there. And 1:43:52.120 --> 1:43:55.559 I'm and I feel really really enthusiastic about it. You know, 1:43:55.920 --> 1:43:58.679 when you feel enthusiastic, you get a lot of energy. 1:43:59.200 --> 1:44:02.639 So I want to honor and celebrate my brother Sonny 1:44:02.680 --> 1:44:06.160 shir Rock because I totally adore him. 1:44:06.320 --> 1:44:09.439 Thank you, so thank you, thank you for doing our show. 1:44:10.880 --> 1:44:13.680 You dropped a lot of knowledge on us. Yeah it 1:44:13.720 --> 1:44:17.439 was and you know we're we're gobsmack because this is 1:44:17.520 --> 1:44:20.519 totally out of the format that we've ever done this show. 1:44:20.760 --> 1:44:25.680 But thank you forever you drop knowledge. And now I 1:44:25.720 --> 1:44:29.880 want to drop something question. 1:44:29.920 --> 1:44:36.040 Look Supreme, we all drop a yes, yes, put John 1:44:36.560 --> 1:44:38.599 and left Supreme and you be all right. 1:44:38.880 --> 1:44:39.519 I believe that. 1:44:39.840 --> 1:44:42.200 Can I just apologize to everybody, because this should have 1:44:42.200 --> 1:44:43.080 happened a while ago. 1:44:43.439 --> 1:44:44.719 But Carlo's true story. 1:44:44.760 --> 1:44:47.040 I saw you and Cindy and Cafe Gratitude down the 1:44:47.040 --> 1:44:49.400 street from my house like about a year ago, and 1:44:49.439 --> 1:44:50.759 I froze and I couldn't speak. 1:44:50.960 --> 1:44:52.759 So I'm glad everything happens for a reason. 1:44:53.120 --> 1:44:54.519 It's always big up. 1:44:54.479 --> 1:44:57.599 To Leo and Aaron for making this happen, because make 1:44:57.640 --> 1:45:00.000 sure it happened a little sooner. But y'all look amazing together. 1:45:00.120 --> 1:45:02.680 It's just a beautiful rock and roll fucking. 1:45:06.560 --> 1:45:10.040 Ladies and gentlemen. This is a quest love Supreme Kirk, 1:45:10.680 --> 1:45:16.960 thank you, thank you for joining us. Pleasure, Pleasure Captain. 1:45:19.040 --> 1:45:22.360 We will see you on the next go round. Thank you, yo. 1:45:22.439 --> 1:45:24.840 What's up? This is fante. Make sure you keep up 1:45:24.840 --> 1:45:27.559 with us on Instagram at QLs and let us know 1:45:27.600 --> 1:45:29.120 what you think and who should be next to sit 1:45:29.160 --> 1:45:29.720 down with us. 1:45:29.920 --> 1:45:33.080 Don't forget to subscribe to our podcast, all right, peace. 1:45:33.720 --> 1:45:43.280 M west Loft Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio. 1:45:46.040 --> 1:45:49.360 For more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, 1:45:49.560 --> 1:45:52.639 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.