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Speaker 1: So Cheryl Crow is in and we're talking about her documentary.

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Speaker 1: There's a companion soundtrack that's all out May six. I

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Speaker 1: So check out Forever the song. We're also featuring it

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Speaker 1: May six on Showtime. I mean, my favorite show Crow

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Speaker 1: which is the beginning of a song and you'll hear

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Speaker 1: it coming up in just a minute. Cheryl Crowe, Here

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Speaker 1: we go. I love this. Thank you for being here.

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Speaker 1: Please give us all the stars if you don't mind

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Speaker 1: when you review this on Spotify. Now it's even easier

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Speaker 1: more information was just available, but it was teacher too,

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00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 1: rock and roll star and so overnight, oh yeah, they

427
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 1: over I stepped top. I get that too, and I'm

428
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 1: like overnight. But I was thirty when my first record

429
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: came out. So let's talk about that part. So you

430
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: were teaching were teaching music in St. Louis school system?

431
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 1: And what what ages were you teaching? I taught kindergarn

432
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: th six music in the public school system in Fenton,

433
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: which is in it's part of St. Louis. So when

434
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: you're teaching music, do you still have a dream of

435
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: well anything on a macro type stage, Like what's your

436
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: dream when you're teaching in St. Louis. Well, I don't

437
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: even know if this is in the documentary. You have

438
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,479
Speaker 1: been engaged three times, and um, I was engaged when

439
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: I got out of school. I was engaged. The guitar

440
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 1: player in the band I was in, we moved to St. Louis,

441
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 1: he was born again, Christian. I was a Christian too,

442
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: but he was like, you, if you're gonna not sing

443
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,719
Speaker 1: for the Lord, if you're going to be in bands,

444
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 1: we can't get married. And I'd already seen sign my

445
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 1: teaching contract. I was in a band. I just loved

446
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 1: singing and I loved playing. I was a keyboard player.

447
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: And but did you have dreams of ye? After that,

448
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: I just, you know, I was always writing songs. I

449
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: started getting gigs by myself in coffee bars, and I

450
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: had loved it, and I thought, you know, if I'm

451
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: ever going to do this, I should try and do

452
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: it now. I'm not engaged, I'm I'm I'm young, and

453
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: so I moved to California with a bunch of tapes.

454
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: It was so different than it is now. I mean,

455
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: there weren't the big vehicles like the Voice or anything

456
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, you've basically went out there and

457
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: you tried to get into the parties where the celebrities were.

458
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: You tried to get in, you know, you tried to

459
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: get you put bands together, you try to get heard.

460
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: You had to pay to play, you had to like

461
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: it was a grind, and but on the flip side

462
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,719
Speaker 1: of it, you could also go out and figure out

463
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: who you were without having the eyes of YouTube on you,

464
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: you know. And I got really lucky. I took my

465
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: tape to every every studio and I started getting some

466
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 1: work as a background singer. Found out about the Michael

467
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 1: Jackson tour by hearing other singers talk about it. Crashed

468
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: the audition. I mean, I just I don't know if

469
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: I knew I would make it. Like I've talked to

470
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: like Gwyneth Paltrow and I used to be very good friends,

471
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: and even Stevie, I'm like, it's interesting. Did you always

472
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: know you were going to be famous? Absolutely? I always

473
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: knew it, both of both of them. They always just

474
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: knew they were gonna be famous. I never, in a

475
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: million years I would have been in the yearbook like

476
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: least likely to become a rock star, super nice person,

477
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: like work really hard, things will happen. And that was

478
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: kind of what I thought. When you have to leave

479
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: the stability of a job like a teaching job, and

480
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, I grew up in Arkansas, so we did.

481
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody in Kansas like Central Hot Springs,

482
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: my town seven hundred people, mountain Pine, but near a

483
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 1: little rock. We used to drive to Blible to go

484
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: see the movies. Yeah really yeah, yeah. My orthodonist was

485
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: in Jonesboro. I know it. Well, yeah, but that's a

486
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 1: big job because some friends that I have just moved

487
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: to Nashville, but they were nineteen. Yeah, they weren't getting

488
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: a check and they hadn't already developed how to pay

489
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 1: the bill, how to budget, how to do adult things.

490
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: And you're playing music but you're also giving up an

491
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: actual paycheck and a job. I gotta think that you're

492
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: not eighteen. That was did not that not way into

493
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: it at all, Like are you just like screw it?

494
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: I'm going like I got one shot? You know. It's

495
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: when I, if I'm really honest with that myself, I

496
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: think I would have gone right out of high school.

497
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: But my parents were always like, you know, you need

498
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: to have something to fall back on. It was always

499
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: something to fall back on. And then, you know, when

500
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: I'm growing up, it's like you get married, you have kids,

501
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: that's sort of the order of things. And then when

502
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: that didn't happen. You know, I've got my degree, I taught,

503
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: I was engaged. Everything looked like it was supposed to do,

504
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: and then what it fell apart. I was like, shoot,

505
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm gonna see what happens. You know.

506
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: I'd save some money, had nine thousand dollars and I

507
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: went going out to l A. I stayed with some

508
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: friends and took all my tapes around. They were partying

509
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: like crazy, like doing blow. I'd never seen anything like that.

510
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I was country pumpkin Um. I wound it,

511
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: moving into one better apartment, went through all my money.

512
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: I got a boot on my car. I mean, it

513
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: was just you couldn't pay for the boot to come off.

514
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: I was eating trail Max from Public's across the street,

515
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: start getting some work waiting tables, and finally got a commercial.

516
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think I was so naive,

517
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: but also I just was. I was just really convicted.

518
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: I just really wanted I wanted to be heard, you know.

519
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: And now you know, after therapy and reflection and all that,

520
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: I realized I was a kid that wanted everybody to

521
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: be happy, and I always gonna make them happy, and

522
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: if they weren't happy, then I wasn't doing something right.

523
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: And I think there are a lot of people that

524
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: become famous or well known that have that story. Like,

525
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: if I can just make people happy, then I'll know

526
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: what it feels like to be loved. Well. I did

527
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: four seasons on American Idol as their head mentor, and

528
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: what what um? Anyway, there's so many people that are

529
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: more skilled in music than me. I me too, me too.

530
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: And what the producer told me after they hired me,

531
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: because I went and I was talking about song selection

532
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: and performances. What hooked them was me telling one of

533
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: the kids. Until I came to l A for work,

534
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: I've never been anywhere like this or New York. I'm

535
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: from Arkansas. We didn't see big buildings like this. So

536
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: I was relating to them in that way. I was like,

537
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: I know what you're feeling, like, like this stuff still

538
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: crazy to me. Did you experience that going to Los

539
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: Angeles or did you have absolutely? I mean I drove

540
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: a Renault Alliance all the way to Albuquerque and I

541
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: slept for forty five minutes in a bed that had

542
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: long black hair in it, and I was like, Okay,

543
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm not that related, not that tired, And I got

544
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: into Los Angeles on the four oh five at rush

545
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: hour and sobbed. I mean, I was just like, what

546
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: am I doing it looked like Mars. To me, I've

547
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: never seen anything like it. And then I get to

548
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: this house and these girls are all doing blow. I

549
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: mean it's a girl from my hometown. I was like,

550
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: what what what is this? Is this Babylon or something like?

551
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: What culture am I now in? What have I dropped

552
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: myself into? And a huge learning curve And within a

553
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: year and I've never been out of my own country.

554
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: And within a year I was singing with Michael Jackson,

555
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: arguably the biggest star in the world, in front of

556
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: seventy people in Tokyo. And so it was just a massive,

557
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: massive um thrown into the fire. Figure it out. And yeah,

558
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: I mean I was just absolutely naive. And I still

559
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: feel like that. I mean, like, we're going home next

560
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: weekend for Easter and I always say we're going home,

561
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: and my kids are like, why do you say home?

562
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: This is home? And I'm like, I can't help it.

563
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: I'm so that is my small town. It's interesting. I

564
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: do the same thing. Yeah, I talk about going home

565
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: home to Arkansas. Yeah, it's like you don't live like

566
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: I guess we always have our home, you know, We'll

567
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: always have art. And that's that's the part of what's

568
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: inside of you, and that doesn't never leave. And the

569
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: further way I got from home, the more the more

570
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: I could relate to my small town raids. How did

571
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: you get to Michael Jackson background singing job? I crashed

572
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: an audition, Um you're supposed to be recommended about, like

573
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: Bruce Swedeen or um any Rod tempered in Quincy Jones

574
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: And I found out where it was and I went

575
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: and they some guy was there and he's like, tell

576
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: me about yourself, I said, named Cheryl. I just moved on,

577
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: Caryl Crow. I just moved here from St. Louis. I'm

578
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: a school teacher. I'm doing some backup work and they're like, Okay,

579
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: what do you want to sing? And I sang? And

580
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: then I got a call back the next day and

581
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: I sang with three guys and about a week later

582
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: we were rehearsing. I sang and I got to be

583
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: free with Denise Williams song and do you try to

584
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: sing it? Like? Because if I went to a back

585
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: backup singer audition, I would just be like, Oh, that's

586
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: how do backups? Yeah? So do you go they ask

587
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: you to sing? As I have no idea. There's a

588
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: dumb guy question, do you sing as you're a lead?

589
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: When they say yeah, they want to hear your voice.

590
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,959
Speaker 1: But I think it's as much as that. I mean,

591
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: I think they they looked at me and thought, oh,

592
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: she looks pretty harmless. You know, I don't know. I mean,

593
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: I was a white girl with really curly hair. I

594
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: don't know why they picked me. It's it's I still go.

595
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it's that same thing where you're talking about

596
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: other people are more musical. To me, I'm like, why

597
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: did I make it? There are people that are way

598
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: more talented, that write incredible songs that seem great, and

599
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: why why me? And that part of it is such

600
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: a mind bender, because I do believe there's a certain

601
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: amount of order to the chaos. But I also think

602
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: there's a huge argument for manifesting things that where you

603
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: put your energy it does you do get something back

604
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: from that? And I just kept showing up in my

605
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: own story, I just kept showing up. As you are

606
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: performing on this tour with Michael Jackson, are you also

607
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: hustling as in making sure people know that you're you? No,

608
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: because I didn't know who you was yet, so but

609
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: we all took recording um little recording studios with us

610
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: four tracks, and I would write, I wrote all the time.

611
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: The guy that was on the tour that ultimately became

612
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: my manager would be like, Hey, we're going down to

613
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: the Lexington Queen or whatever, you know, like the where

614
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: all the models hang out. And I was like, dam

615
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm staying tonight. We're in Tokyo now I want to

616
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: work on my music, you know, I would. I just

617
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: worked all the time. When did you kind of figure

618
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: out who you were, what you wanted to say and

619
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: why you wanted to say it? Oh, about three years

620
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: ago the first time. I think after the first record,

621
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: the first record blew up and I was still like,

622
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: after the first record, they hear that, right, Yeah, after

623
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: the first record, the first I made a record that

624
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: cost a ton of mone with a really high profile

625
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: manager named Hugh Padgeum who produced Staying, and and I

626
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: hated the record. It was super, super slick. In fact,

627
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: it sounded like girls thinking Staying and I was just like, no, no, no,

628
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: this isn't what it was sounding. It was supposed to rock,

629
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: you know. And so I went to the record level

630
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: and said, please let me have another shot. At this

631
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: this is not it's the first record, talking about the

632
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: very first record four or fifty dollars. Now that's thirty

633
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: years ago, so that's like a mega bug and they're

634
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: like Okay. Finally they were like, well give you another shot.

635
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: And I sat around for quite a long time and

636
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: hooked up with Bill Buttrail and made the Tuesday at

637
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: Music Club record, which was a total blast to make.

638
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: But there were several people that were sort of around

639
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: and we jammed and that's how we got started. And

640
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: then once it became my record, started working with Bill

641
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: on my own, and there was a lot of bitterness

642
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: once it started taking off, Like once everybody started making money,

643
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: it was complications, complications, and even though all the publishing

644
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: was split and everybody is making the same amount of money,

645
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: I was devastating. I was like, why is there we

646
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: so mad? Nobody wanted to go on the road, So

647
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: why was everybody so mad? In the least complicated explation, well,

648
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: the least complicated explanation I could say is that nobody

649
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: wanted to go on the road because they all had

650
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: their own gigs. You know, David and David Um, all

651
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: of them amazing artists in their own right, but they

652
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: didn't want to go and so I went to back

653
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: to St. Louis. I put together a band, band together

654
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: with locals. Once the record took off, then they were like,

655
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: we want to be in the band. I was like,

656
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: we can't fire my band. I mean, they've been with

657
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: me during the hard part anyway. So the second record,

658
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: I think when I went in and I went up

659
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: producing it on my own, that's when I was like, Okay,

660
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna make a record. I like, I'm just

661
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: gonna make music the way I make it, and if

662
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: nobody likes it, that's cool. And that was the one

663
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: that was self titled and had if It makes You

664
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: Happy and Everbody's winding Road, and you know, I felt

665
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: more like I didn't feel like I had to prove myself,

666
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: but I definitely felt like this was more authentic. Do

667
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: you do you resent the success of the first record

668
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: that you don't have complete adoration for? No, not at all.

669
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: I mean I loved making that record. I loved being

670
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: a part of that group of misfits, and I loved them.

671
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 1: I was really sad and I was really devastated by

672
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: what happened in the end, and that was a big

673
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: learning lesson for me. You know, money is a destroyer

674
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: and I just I didn't see that coming. You know,

675
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I still, I still and

676
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: once leaving Las Vegas when that came out and the

677
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: guy that wrote the book killed himself and there was

678
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: all kinds of weirdness around that, like I had known

679
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: him and I'd never met him. It was damaging. I mean,

680
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: it changed me. I I started wearing like goth makeup.

681
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: I was just like, don't talk to me. I'm not

682
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: the girl next door. You're not gonna I'm not going

683
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: to be your friend. I've already been people's friends. And

684
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: I saw how that worked out, and it totally changed me.

685
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: And it took me a long time and start crying.

686
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: It took me a long time to get back to

687
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: feeling my meld self. Do you think and not to

688
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: sit on this too long, but as you're talking about this,

689
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: and I'm very familiar with the story because it's also

690
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: talked about the documentary, do you feel like that some

691
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: of the negativity was from he killed himself, but people

692
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: were beating up on you that weren't him. Do you

693
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: feel like that was from others and not from him,

694
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 1: or was it just about it because you guys didn't

695
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: know each other. You said that yourself now and he

696
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: didn't beat me up. It all came from the guys

697
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: in the group, and they're there. I mean, honestly, there's

698
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: only one guy in the group that I think had

699
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 1: real problems with the truth, and that's a pathological thing

700
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: that's Had I known, I probably would not have been

701
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been around him. And you know, to

702
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: be told, they're amazing pathological people that have pathological issues

703
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: that are extremely extremely entires of. I mean, just like

704
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: interesting people, people that are high achieving. Narcissists and pathological

705
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: liars can be very engaging. But sometimes when you don't

706
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: know that, you wind up on the wrong side of it,

707
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: and you know, that's that's all I can say about that.

708
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know John O'Brien, but I did know he

709
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: was somebody's son, and had I known him, I wouldn't

710
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: have written that song. I mean, I didn't know the

711
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: title came from a book. So anyway, I also think

712
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: that there is something that happens when you are you

713
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: are unknown, and people love you and they're there, They

714
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: discover you, and they feel like you're somebody that they

715
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: discovered and they're extremeing loyal, and then suddenly you become

716
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: famous and people are addressing you and it's like, um, actually,

717
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: so s too big for bridges now or whatever. And

718
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: then the press turns against you. And I wasn't aware

719
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: of that either, And we watch it every day, you know,

720
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: weird to see because it's like, you can continue to

721
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: get more famous, but at some point you're going to

722
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 1: get so famous and popular that you're not popular anymore, exactly,

723
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: Like there's a threshold. Yes, we only allow you to

724
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: get so popular before we have to turn on you

725
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: and you have to turn us back. And it's an

726
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: unfair thing, especially now because you can see it coming,

727
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: especially with an artist who's killing it. You know, Well,

728
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: let's hope that when everybody turns that they're able to

729
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: withstand that and turn them back, because I have friends

730
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: that that was a real struggle for. Um. What is

731
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: and I don't not to stay long on this part,

732
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: but what is fame like when you first get just

733
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: true freaking fame, when you walk into a restaurant they

734
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: have a table, or when you um when you never

735
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: have to pay for anything that's always been a weird thing,

736
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: like they're gonna send me clothes why. I mean, I'm

737
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: happy with the stuff about it. The you know second

738
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: hand place, Um, it's a it does a number on you,

739
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: for sure, and the number it did from did on

740
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: me was this is this is amazing. I don't know

741
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: if I deserve it. So you start questioning yourself. But

742
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: then the other part of it is when you stop

743
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: getting invited or let's just say, in the the instances

744
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: where you're not the most popular person in the red carpet,

745
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: you start feeling and scare. It's like you get this bright,

746
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: shiny code of paint and then suddenly they're little cracks

747
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: in the veneer, like, well, how do I smooth the

748
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: crack out? So I'm still I'm still the most popular

749
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: and it really totally doesn't number on you. And then

750
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 1: you start thinking about, Okay, what what do I have

751
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: to write to get to stay in the top ten,

752
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: to keep getting played at radio? And that's no good either.

753
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: You're saying it changes your direction creatively from what do

754
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: I have to say too? There's a difference of what

755
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: do I have to write people will like not because

756
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying it and feeling it, but because I know,

757
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: I'm trying to chase what they like. And then there

758
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: is that moment where you're about to turn forty and

759
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: you're still popular, but um, everything on the radio is

760
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: Britney Spears and Christian Aguilera and their seventeen and they're

761
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: wearing schoolgirl outfits and you're about to be forty and

762
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: that doesn't number because forty doesn't get played at radio.

763
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: It's just a weird thing, you know, there's not anything

764
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: realistic about it. And I do wonder what girls today

765
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: that seemed to be like navigating their own They they're

766
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: in control of their social media. They project their images,

767
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: and the images sometimes they're sexual, or most of the

768
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: time or sexual, and that as long as they're in

769
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: control of that, Like, how much of it are they

770
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: able to because I don't read even a sentence about myself.

771
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: I don't read anything because I'm too sensitive. Like how

772
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: do girls now, especially when you're bringing looks into it,

773
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: embody image and all that, how do they not? How

774
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: is it not demoralizing? Because fame to me was already

775
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: like Okay, I'm a really private person and I'm a

776
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: really nice person. So and everything I'm reading about myself

777
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: is okay, I got my haircut. Now I look like

778
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: a soccer mom and just like mean stuff. How does

779
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: anybody navigate it? I don't. I don't know. It did

780
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: a number on me for sure. When I think about

781
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: sounds that like really fun, positive musical sounds, like quirky

782
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: sounds and songs. The beginning of every Day's Winding Robe

783
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: was like what you know before? It? Actually does that

784
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: make sense? Like duck, I hear that whole. I can

785
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: hear it all. Yeah that I'm always curious of why

786
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: things get put in and left in and where their

787
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: conversations about where do we start this song? And then

788
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: what is that story? First and foremost. I got my

789
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: degree in piano m in piano performance, but I always

790
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: played by ear, so it's never a great concert pianist.

791
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: But everything else I've ever played, I've never taken a lesson,

792
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 1: so I'm all self taught. And I would go into

793
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: the studio and knowing that it was never going to

794
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: be perfect, wasn't gonna be slick, it seemed more interesting

795
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: to me for it to be quirky and to be

796
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: more we call it ignorant more just kind of ignorant,

797
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: you know. And some of the stuff that we left

798
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: in was as cool as the stuff that we took out,

799
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: you know. And it's just always been that way. In fact,

800
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: when I first worked, when I worked with Bill Patreell,

801
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: he would always say, if you if you're a great

802
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: piano player, you're not allowed to people play piano, And

803
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: so nobody ever got to play the instrument that they

804
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: play because that way you were creating, like you were

805
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: literally you weren't just playing, you were creating. And I've

806
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: sort of always stuck with it. I like that idea.

807
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons I went up playing so

808
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: many intrant instruments was that, Okay, well i'm gonna try this.

809
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try that, I'm gonna try this, and um

810
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: Vince Gill once said to me, I I love the

811
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: way you produce records, like you'll have just some one

812
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: little random thing that comes in then you never hear

813
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: it again. And it is kind of like that. It's

814
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: like what fits the moment, what fits the lyrics, the song,

815
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: the story, And it's just the way I approached record making. Mike,

816
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: can you play that just from the beginning to the

817
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: first I mean that that I could just hear that

818
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: and know exactly what's that. That is just when I

819
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: think of just that time, the early two thousands, I mean,

820
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: I don't think I need the song, just that that

821
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: should be unhurdle that. Yeah, yeah, that is. Um I've

822
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: always wondered, like why that I love it an entire

823
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 1: era of my life. Um So, the first album comes

824
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: out Tuesnight Music Club, it has the hits. Second album

825
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: comes out. You've got two number ones again, which and

826
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: we're talking about not like country genre. You're talking about

827
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 1: massive number one Billboard number one song. Those two records

828
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: go when you're getting ready to again for Come On,

829
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: Come On? Which is the next record? Globe Sessions. Okay,

830
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: are you nervous? Is it? Is it less about I'm

831
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: excited about what's happening? Or is it more about, oh

832
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: my god, can we keep it going? Like when does

833
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: start to be? The conversation started happening during Come On

834
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: Come On? When I was about to turn for you,

835
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: the um the Globe Sessions, I'd moved, I would had

836
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: been engaged again someone else that fell apart. I moved

837
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: to New York City and everything about New York was inspiring,

838
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: and I was also super raw, you know, really emotional,

839
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 1: and I could not wait to get in and start writing.

840
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: And that was that was so much in line with

841
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: how I had made the second record, like just go

842
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: in and just write and record. Um. The next record

843
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 1: was tricky. That was the Soak Up the Sun record,

844
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: and it took a year and a half to make.

845
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: It was a million and a half dollars, tons of

846
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: starts and stops. I did not start working, and you know,

847
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: eight years I've been on the road constantly, and you

848
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 1: have to walk into a studio a having something to say,

849
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: be having some life experiences. And life experiences don't happen

850
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: necessarily because you're famous, and because you're on the road

851
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: all the time. I mean, that's not real life. And

852
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: and you don't want to write about that. Nobody wants

853
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: to hear about you know, you're your corvette breaking down,

854
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: and it's just you need to go out and and

855
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: live and then come in and write write a record.

856
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: And that record really screwed me up. And by the

857
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: time I put it out, had spent a ton of

858
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: money and just was like, is this even a good record?

859
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: And luckily you can listen to the record and you

860
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: can't really hear all the machinations that went into it.

861
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: And there are a couple of things on that record

862
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: I love and that are my favorite songs. But that

863
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: was a hard one in your process because you're describing

864
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: something that when I'm writing a joke or a funny

865
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: bit music for a stage show, I'll do it so

866
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: many times I don't even know what's funny anymore, Like

867
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: I'll have Okay, let me change this word. I think

868
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 1: this may hit better, and I'm like, yes, I don't.

869
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: I can't tell I've been so I have to just go.

870
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: I thought the concept was hilarious. I have to stay

871
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: with it, even though I don't feel I can find

872
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: it anymore. When you talk about that process, that's what

873
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: I felt like to me, Like you're so in it,

874
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: you spent so much money, you're pulling your hair out.

875
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: How do you know what's good and what's not anymore?

876
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: I know? And that that was the story that record,

877
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: because I could not finish anything. I think it's in

878
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: the documentary, but I remember one of my first gigs

879
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: was opening up for Bob Dylan, and I met him

880
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: and he was really generous, like, any time you need anything,

881
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: call me, here's my number. Let me know if I

882
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: can never help. Blah blah blah saw him a few

883
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: times through years, always had a great hang with him.

884
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: So cut to this record. And it's been like eight

885
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: months and I've not finished one thing. I've got like

886
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: forty things in the camp, haven't finished anything. I've moved

887
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: my studio from New York to my living room in

888
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: l A. I've gotten where I don't even want to

889
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: walk into my house because there's like a throbbing organism

890
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: in my living room saying you need to be working.

891
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: So my managers like, why don't you call Bob Dylan.

892
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: You know, he went through a period where he he

893
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: just could not finish anything. So I called Bob. I'm like, hey,

894
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: sir Crow, Hey you doing. And I said, man, I'm

895
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: just calling you because I I feel like I got

896
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: this writer's blocking and uh, you don't understand you went

897
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: through ruder block. He is a no maybe, and I'm like,

898
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: oh no, And I said, he said, when's the let's

899
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: teme me finish the song. I said, it's been like

900
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: about eight months ago. And he's like, oh, that's bad,

901
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, what's happening. Um, yeah,

902
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's it's awful, and there's there's

903
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: a point at which, yeah, you just you have to

904
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: walk away from it, give yourself a little space. Christie

905
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: Hannon was the one that said life is not your work.

906
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: Your work is your work, and your life is your life.

907
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: And so I took off some time and I came

908
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: back to it and I could sort of find the

909
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: golden nugget and some of the stuff I was writing

910
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: enough to be able to finish it. But yeah, it

911
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: doesn't number on you. And I don't know how you

912
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: write a joke, because I'll write something, I'll write a

913
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: song and I'll go, oh my gosh, this is the

914
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: best thing I've ever written. And then I'll listen to

915
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: it enough that I start picking it apart and I'm like,

916
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: this isn't even any good. Was I thinking? This is trash?

917
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: That's everything I've ever written, but trash. You You should

918
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: have just stopped write it. Not must Day. That's like

919
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: one of my favorite songs of all time. What's really

920
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: weird about that is Nathan Chapman was then, and he's

921
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: produced all the Taylor stuff earlier and he was like,

922
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: you know what was a really great song? And I'm

923
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: thinking he's gonna say, I don't know some old George

924
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: straight it's like nama stay and I'm like, I just think.

925
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: I just think people are messing with me, like this

926
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: is some joke you all text each other before they

927
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: come over. No, I've I've seen it to everybody I know.

928
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: I mean I even go around singing my kids even know.

929
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, it must stay. Well, thank you when

930
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: I get embarrassing that. So, uh, you're live shows, you're

931
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: still playing a I was looking at the beach boy

932
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: stuff you're doing. I think in Ohio the free shows

933
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: you're out on tour too. You have so many songs

934
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: that everybody knows all the word to, all the words to.

935
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: Do you still play them the same melody so we

936
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 1: can sing along? Yes, I do, Thank God. Yes. Because

937
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you. I thought he's gonna have to

938
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: shake Audam dirt for about fifteen years. Yeah, no, no, no, yeah,

939
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: a lot of times because I know Adam and we've

940
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: done quite a lot together. It's been a very long time,

941
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, dude, don't even know what song

942
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: you were singing same and that's my favorite band ever.

943
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I'm like, I can't. I learned my lesson

944
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: on that. Two years we went on the road first

945
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: first record. Uh. For a year all we did was

946
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: to a Colorado and France. There are only two places

947
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: that played it. By the time the record won the

948
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: Grammys and it was huge, we were backing on the

949
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: road for a year and a half and I started

950
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: messing with all I want to do. We did it

951
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: like a like a Jack Caro whack, like uh spoken

952
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: word and people were piste And I know, I know

953
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: how that is when I go here my favorite bands,

954
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: I want him to sing it right down to the

955
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: oh you know, I want to hear the riffs. I

956
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: want to sing the guitar solos. We we stick with it,

957
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: and sometimes I have to go back and listen to

958
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: my own stuff to remind myself and my off leaving

959
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. Am I singing it the exact same way?

960
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: How do you indulge yourself in your set when you

961
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: have to do so many things that you're doing for

962
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: the fans, Like what will you do that makes you

963
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: feel good during your set that's just for you as

964
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: an artist, A ton of choreography. Okay, that's IM naked.

965
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: Um no, I that's really interesting. I really, you know,

966
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: part of it is I just enjoy it more. Now.

967
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: You know it sounds kind of hocky, but after I

968
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: had breast cancer. Pre breast cancer, I didn't want to

969
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: see a single face in the audience. And after that,

970
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: I wanted to see everybody. I wanted to leot people

971
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: in the face or into their cameras whatever. I just

972
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: wanted that connection. And now you know, I'm sixty. I

973
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: can't even believe I'm saying it out loud. And my

974
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 1: band and I, you know, we've been together long time.

975
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: We every time we walk out and we're still alive.

976
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: We're like, we're still alive. We're playing the old you know,

977
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: it's like we've we're we're super stoked. We're super stoked.

978
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: You know. It's like we get played at home Depot

979
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: and Whole Foods were Yeah, we're like music to shop too,

980
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: and we're you know, we we played it um bonarue

981
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 1: but three or four years ago, and I was like, man,

982
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: who's gonna come? And there were people there that were

983
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: my I mean, my kid's age and they knew every word.

984
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: It's just it's a different thing now, you know. Do

985
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: your kids understand how how differently awesome you were then

986
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: as to how awesome you are now? Like, do they

987
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: get it? I'm not. I'm not really, I'm sort of

988
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: cringe e sweaty try hard. Um. Do you know those

989
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: phrases I have a teenager, you're so sweaty try that

990
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: is so craze. I know from TikTok, not from paying

991
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: out a teenager. Okay, let me ask your opinion. Should

992
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: I do? Should I be on TikTok? You know that's

993
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: yet The answer is yes. But what happens is and

994
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: it's not about you. I've also and I think I

995
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: talked to Tim mcrawl about this too, who has quite

996
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: the presence. Now you have to really make sure what

997
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: you're doing is in line with who you are and

998
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: not the trends of TikTok, because if I got on

999
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: there and I'm doing the dances and I'm doing some

1000
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: of the it just looks like I'm an old guy

1001
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 1: trying to be seventeen. However, it is a platform for anything.

1002
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: Now you're a bird watching expert. They got people that

1003
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: will show you the coolest birds that they see from

1004
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: their phone. So it's you. I mean it goes back

1005
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: to just being a creative. You doing what you do

1006
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: for people who like you. The answer is yes. The

1007
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: long answer, well, I got asked by the powers that

1008
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: be that would like me to promote more to be

1009
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: on TikTok talk and my kids I thought their heads

1010
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: were gonna explode. They're like, Mom, you cannot be on

1011
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: t That is so cringe e. As long as you're

1012
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: not doing the sound, it would be awesome. What if

1013
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: we light our farts? Come on, who doesn't think that's funny?

1014
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: That's the one thing you should do. Yeah, I mean

1015
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,919
Speaker 1: only that. If you only made that your thing, you'd

1016
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: have so many followers. Yeah, TikTok to me the best

1017
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: because there's just so many creatives there. Right aside from

1018
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: all the trendy things. I think you should get on

1019
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: TikTok because there's just this lady Babs is that her name?

1020
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: What is it? Frinch with Babs? Yeah, I don't know.

1021
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: I want you. Are you on TikTok? I am embarrassed

1022
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: to say that I don't do social media at all? Well,

1023
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: participate in it. I do participate it like, I know

1024
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: what we post and I'm involved in it. Do I

1025
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: go on and look at it? Absolutely not. I gave

1026
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: my Life is too Full Chryl Crow two three eight

1027
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: five hundred bucks and Apple gift card yesterday. I thought

1028
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: it was you see, this is another thing we've If

1029
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: you mean I go on and post, I'm like, people,

1030
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: please know I don't need the money. I'll take the money.

1031
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: I don't need the money. I'm not asking you for it.

1032
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: That's a whole weird thing people have. I had a

1033
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: woman show up at my gate with a U haul

1034
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: recently at night. She said her computer told it was

1035
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: told her it was okay for her to come, and

1036
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: then I was her computer. Is that somebody talking to

1037
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: her as you or I wouldn't have questions she has been. Um,

1038
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know who she was, and I don't. I

1039
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,959
Speaker 1: don't know about the people that are COO for Kocka Pops,

1040
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: but um, I guess she's been an uber fan for

1041
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: a long time. And you know, because it was me

1042
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: in a wig, it was I would have let you

1043
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: inmost day. I would have known. I have a few

1044
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: more and I want to. And we did a whole

1045
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: intro here talking about the documentary and the song which

1046
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: we're also featuring on the national show that I'm doing,

1047
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: which is just great. It's in the not the beginning,

1048
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: the credits, Forever and Forever, and then the the album

1049
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: that comes out on the sixth. At the same time,

1050
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: they call that a companion album. I'm just getting my

1051
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: words right, right, guys, I did not know that, right,

1052
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: Is that right, Mike? And accompanying accompanying? No, I don't know. Yeah, so,

1053
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: And we spent time telling people how they can watch

1054
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: it May six on Showtime. It is gritty, it is beautiful.

1055
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: It is a documentary that you don't even have to

1056
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: be a fan of you to like the art. And

1057
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: I think that's how I try to watch them now,

1058
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: because there's some really good ones out there. And the

1059
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: fact that you didn't want to do that VH one

1060
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: style says a lot about what you want to represent you. Um.

1061
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: It reminds me a bit of when I read Steve

1062
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 1: Jobs book and he wanted the documentary and the guy

1063
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: was with him to write the book. He didn't want.

1064
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: He was like, finish it before I ever get to

1065
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 1: read it. I want you to do the most real

1066
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: version that you can do. It just felt like that

1067
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: is what you wanted portrayed. Whether you did or not,

1068
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: it just felt like that you wanted because there were

1069
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: some things, like I mentioned way earlier, that couldn't have

1070
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: been comfortable to have to talk about again. But I

1071
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: just my appreciation for that piece is super high, aside

1072
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: from being a massive fan of you. So if you're

1073
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 1: listening to this and you're not familiar with Cheryl's music,

1074
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: it's just a great documentary as well. So who does

1075
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 1: to your team? And for you for being very vulnerable

1076
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: in that situation, it was I mean it was interesting

1077
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: because I only watched it once and you know, you

1078
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: you basically hand over your story to um a director.

1079
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: Amy was fantastic, but you know, three fourths of it

1080
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: wound up on the cutting room floor and I made

1081
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: a couple of suggestions which did not make the cut

1082
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: because they basically decided what the story was. And the

1083
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: reality of it is for me is that I am

1084
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: a real person. I think we forget that sometimes and

1085
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: there's a whole world um that goes into making a

1086
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: person particularly want to be an artist, particularly want to

1087
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: raise their voices up into the fray. But also that

1088
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: makes them who they are. And I didn't interview with

1089
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: a guy recently UM for newspaper who said, I watched

1090
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 1: the ninety minutes and it defied everything that I thought

1091
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: about you. And that made me feel good because I'm like,

1092
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that aren't fans but

1093
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: that might get something out of it, and there is

1094
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: a good story there, you know, and we are all people.

1095
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: I think sometimes we forget, especially now more than ever,

1096
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: that um, you know, at the core, you're just like

1097
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: a little kid from small town. I have a few

1098
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: brief questions to wrap this up. I would do want

1099
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: to say at the beginning of this, this last segment here,

1100
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: you got to be in the Rock and Roll Hall

1101
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: of Fame, like I mean, it's I well, I don't know.

1102
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how those things were. No,

1103
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm not. I don't think you can

1104
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: call somebody and go like, hey, probably just said I'm in.

1105
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: I know that can't happen. Jason Nisbel already did that.

1106
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: It just it doesn't feel complete without you in it

1107
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: and the body of work that you can present his data,

1108
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: but also what you've done as a person. It just

1109
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: feels like, if there is someone from our generation that

1110
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: deserves to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,

1111
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: it is just you. Thank you. I don't you know,

1112
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: I I it's hard for me to even say anything.

1113
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it's you know, it's I don't don't say yeah,

1114
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: leave it at that. I mean, I appreciate you very much.

1115
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: There's no reason I have had a great run. I mean,

1116
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: I will say that. And you know, it's a weird

1117
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: thing to be what they call a legacy artist because

1118
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: it basically means you're still around. Um, but I do.

1119
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm loving the second half. I feel like I have

1120
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: so much more in me. So you know, if I

1121
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: if I become a member of the Rock Hall of Fame, cool,

1122
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: If I don't, I still donna keep going talk about Nashville.

1123
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: Why are you here? Well, I grew up three hours

1124
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: from here. Um my sister lived here, has lived here

1125
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: for years and years and years. When I got diagnosed,

1126
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: I felt like I've been in l a twenty three

1127
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: years and I don't even have a church. I just

1128
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: felt like I didn't ever put any roots down. It

1129
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: was always a stopping off place, and yet twenty three

1130
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: years later, I was still there, and that was such

1131
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: a game changer. I decided, you know what, I'm gonna

1132
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: move closer to home. I can either move to Memphis

1133
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: because there's an report, I can move from nash Field

1134
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: and I have friends here, um, you know, Emmy lou Vince.

1135
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: There were people I knew and that I loved, Amy

1136
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: grant Um and my sister and I put down roots

1137
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: here and it's just been an incredible place. Is it home?

1138
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: Me home? Miss It's not home, but it is Nashville. Yeah,

1139
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: I mean it's My kids are living a normal life,

1140
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: you know, Like I said that, they're not on social media,

1141
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: and they go to school like every other kid, and

1142
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: they're living what I consider to be, you know, the

1143
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: kind of life I lived. I don't know if anybody

1144
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,439
Speaker 1: will ever be able to live the kind of life

1145
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: where you get on your bike and you come back

1146
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: at dinner. But they are as close as possible living, Um,

1147
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: the kind of life I did, which is a normal life.

1148
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: Your kids there their faces in the documentary first time. Yeah. Yeah,

1149
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: I was like wow, I've I've seen them in human form.

1150
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: It being Nashville, Um, but I was like wow, So

1151
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: what was that decision? Why? Well, yeah, I can't tell

1152
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: my story without them, and um, they are the biggest

1153
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: part of my story. I just had never had them

1154
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: on social media because, you know, I felt like for

1155
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: a long time celebrities use their kids like an expensive handbag, like,

1156
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: look how beautiful my kids are? And and I did

1157
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: find that when I lived in l A or at

1158
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: least was there still with my little ones before I

1159
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,959
Speaker 1: sell my house, having paparazzi chase them around was There's

1160
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: that's just not right. You know, I'd rather than be

1161
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: able to be anonymous. And then if they want to

1162
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: get out there, then at which point they're mature enough

1163
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: to understand how it works, they can do that. So

1164
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: that's one. Here's two or three? What's I did watch

1165
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: the documentary? You have an appearance in it. Briefly? Do

1166
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: you see that the documentary? What is it? What? Yes? Yeah,

1167
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: I didn't see it, but yeah, yeah that real. You

1168
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: were artist, you're separated a bit, right, But what was

1169
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: it like for you? It was whatever I can tell you,

1170
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: It was worse than that. Whatever you can envision. It

1171
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: was absolutely awful. And it makes me sad because the first,

1172
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: the very first one, obviously I wasn't at the second

1173
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: one was I mean euphoric. It was such a beautiful

1174
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: celebration of the first one. The next one was what

1175
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: was wrong. It was everything with what was wrong with

1176
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: what the music business was becoming, which was money, money, money, money,

1177
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: and it was degrading to women. It was a demonstration

1178
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,439
Speaker 1: of the worst of what's in us, with people throwing

1179
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: feces and throwing pennies and water bottles. It was just

1180
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: a bizarre experience. And even the bill wasn't It was not.

1181
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: It was not a bill that was sensitive to people

1182
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: coming together and being a part of something cool and peaceful,

1183
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: which is what Woodstock is emblematic. Is pretty pretty angry.

1184
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: It was like Andy Dick and then Cheryl Crow and

1185
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: then the insane clown Posse and it was just like,

1186
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: what is happening here? I didn't even finish my set.

1187
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: I mean, at which point Pecs landed on my my

1188
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: base neck. I was like, yeah, you know what, I

1189
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: was like, Yeah, I was. I just walked up to

1190
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,439
Speaker 1: the mic and I was like, I'm done. Okay, well yeah,

1191
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: let's brutal. Let's end on this one. So it's uh,

1192
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: I want to know what makes you happy? Now? Like,

1193
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: where do you find your fulfilms. Oh my gosh, which

1194
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: is a tough one. And then I want to at

1195
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: the very end of that, in parentheses, how come all

1196
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: my friends get to go to your barn parties. I'm

1197
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: never gonna buy it, but let's get that at the

1198
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: hold you will never happen again. And this is the

1199
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: first real part of the question, like, OK, what is

1200
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:31,439
Speaker 1: it now that fulfills you? My joy? My joy comes

1201
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: from just man watching my kids grow. It is such

1202
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: an honor and such every day I'm like you, guys,

1203
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. I'm so happy I get to be

1204
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: your mom. I mean, my kids are adopted, and I'm

1205
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: telling you what God was all over, up and through.

1206
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: And then we have a French bulldog that makes all

1207
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: of us laugh. In fact, sometimes we look at each

1208
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: other and go, who are we? Who were we before Buster?

1209
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: We were no one? Um and barn parties, you know,

1210
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,439
Speaker 1: it's it's sort of tragic. I used to have barn

1211
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: parties a lot. In fact, I used to always have

1212
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: a Christmas party, and then it slowed down before the pandemic,

1213
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: and then it screeched to hall. I just haven't gone back. No,

1214
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: I'm just wasn't question, like you have all these and

1215
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, what I was over you and Kate

1216
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: have to come. I was like, oh yeah, that must

1217
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: be cool. It's okay, let's do a fundraiser there and

1218
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: you guys can play. We would let's sit in with you.

1219
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: We would do that. You no, no, for Ukraine, I'm not.

1220
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: I'm not. You wouldn't let me sit in on a day?

1221
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: I would. I would be embarrassed if I would sit

1222
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: in and do one and then and no one care.

1223
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: I would love that. Here's what I would do. And

1224
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this because I have one of my

1225
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: dearest friends is Brett Aldridge. It's like I love That's like,

1226
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, my best friend. I saw you guys. Yes,

1227
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: his voice is kill It's fine. I've heard better anyway.

1228
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: So I tell Brett all the time, like when you

1229
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: want because you know when love is Christmas album? Okay.

1230
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: When you have friends, there's that fine line of working

1231
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: and business or what's the same thing working friendship? And

1232
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, dude, if you're going to do some

1233
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: sort of charity event like you're my guy, like I

1234
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: love you, I will do stand up. I will host it,

1235
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: you do the mute whatever, just let me know what

1236
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: you need. And so I will also tell you that

1237
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: right now if you're doing something here, let's do something

1238
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: for Ukraine and you need that kills me, we can't

1239
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: do anything. I will do comedy. I will do whatever

1240
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: you need. If you're also I'll get the Valet Parker.

1241
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: Don't feel like it's no, don't no. You gotta do

1242
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: more than that. But I'll get the Martins barbecue. I

1243
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: love what. I'll stop the bar what you stand for.

1244
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: I just just a if you need me, please, I'm here.

1245
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call you. You know I would well, I

1246
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: would be disappointed if you didn't, but you never have.

1247
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna assume you not going to you

1248
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: have I have to. I have to, like face what

1249
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: do you do? You know? I'm always like telling Liz

1250
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: does my LISZT you've got to post this and I'll

1251
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: send her like something about something I just heard on

1252
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: the Bobby Bone Show in the morning. Um okay, But

1253
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm here for you, all right, and and we'll end up.

1254
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: And I don't say things if I don't minutes, So

1255
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: don't go sitting on a microphone. So may not. I'm

1256
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: I'm looking at you in the eyes right now. Let

1257
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: me know you. I will take you up on it. Um,

1258
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: everybody check out the documentary. It's great. It's just a

1259
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: great piece of work, aside from her large body of

1260
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: work that has been wildly successful. So May six on Showtime, UM,

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Speaker 1: and then May eighth again of Mother's Day, and I'm

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Speaker 1: assuming you'll be able to just stream it well on

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Speaker 1: the Showtime app streaming. Yep. I got the show Time

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Speaker 1: mapp to watch Yellow Jackets. Watched this. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: you finish it? I have not? Have you started it?

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Speaker 1: I've started it, but I haven't finished. I'm in season one,

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Speaker 1: the only season one? Oh okay, but the girls that

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Speaker 1: crashed the plane? Yesh, sason one? Is there no another season? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Just one? But I want to watch the two in faith? Also,

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Speaker 1: what do you mean faith one? Do my faith? What

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Speaker 1: there isn't that the no? No, no, no no no,

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Speaker 1: that's not the precursory. No yellow jack Jacket. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen that. Two totally different shows. Okay, okay, okay, Showtime.

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Speaker 1: It's okay. It's a good just saw her high school

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Speaker 1: talking to the crashes and they have to survive. And

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Speaker 1: I've heard about yellow Stone. Okay, yeah, yes, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: then that's it. I'm sixty. See that's the way it works.

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Speaker 1: But that's the thing. You don't seem it. But I

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Speaker 1: don't even know what sixty means anymore, because it's not

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Speaker 1: a thing to be sixty, and that just means something

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Speaker 1: because of the number you are. But it has been

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Speaker 1: really fun talking with you, Billy. Thank you. I'll take it.

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Speaker 1: Did I call you something wrong? No, I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: I'm sixty, so I called you billy. I don't associate

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Speaker 1: sixty with old Okay, yeah, okay, I'll take it. So

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Speaker 1: I'll take a joke fell so flat because I didn't

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Speaker 1: even think that was what the concept was. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you I'll stick with music and

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Speaker 1: then you just stick with comedy, and I want, I

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Speaker 1: want no, I'll try no, I'll try not to break

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Speaker 1: into the comedy thing because it doesn't really work. I'm

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Speaker 1: opening for Garth and we can have it. You are?

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Speaker 1: Is he playing a uh Bridge Stone? He's playing it

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Speaker 1: here in Nissan stadiums saying, but he asked me to

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Speaker 1: come to Arkansas. I was playing the Razorback Stadium, eighty

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Speaker 1: thousand people, and it's like, come dude, come oh, that's cool.

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna play Namas State though. I'm like, I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna play Yeah. All right, there we go. Cheryl,

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Speaker 1: you're the best. Thank you kind to be here with you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Get your number. That is it, Cheryl Crowe.

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Speaker 1: Everybody