1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huts. Let's giants, 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: my giants, give me some job. Part of the Giants 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. Let's roll. 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the New 6 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: York Football Giants. 7 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: I am John Schmelk. 8 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: We're joining right now by the CEO of Summer Sports. 9 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 2: He is former NFL executive. He's had many very important 10 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: jobs for some very big organizations. I won't list them 11 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 2: all because I'll be here for a long time. He 12 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: is Thomas dimitary Off. Thomas, how are you man? It's 13 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: good to talk to you again. 14 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 3: John, I'm looking forward to it. You know, this time 15 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 3: of year, we're rolling right. I know you guys are 16 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 3: all popped up around there trying to figure out what's 17 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 3: going to happen. I'm sure. 18 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, number six. 19 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: It's a good place to be in a draft that 20 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 2: I think has a lot of blue chip guys. But 21 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: you can move up, you can move down, you can 22 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: pick different positions. 23 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: So let's start here. 24 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: You've been in this chair before as a guy making 25 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: personnel decisions for teams. Thomas, what is this time of 26 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: year like the Giant scout just got back into the 27 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: building late last week, so they're sitting down with the coaches, 28 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: Shane his front office staff. Like I said, the coaches 29 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 2: are getting involved now and you're kind of putting together 30 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 2: your final draft board. What is that process like and 31 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: what do you think the most important aspects of that 32 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 2: process is to make it successful? 33 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: So you get your board to where you want it 34 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,199 Speaker 1: to be well. 35 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 3: As we all know, this is an extremely busy time 36 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 3: and it's actually a relieving time when you finally get 37 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 3: back to your office. You've gone through the combine time, 38 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 3: You've played around in free agency. Of course, You've been 39 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 3: to the owners meetings, You've been out to pro days. 40 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot going on right So as 41 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 3: a general manager and as a head coach, you know 42 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 3: Brian and Joe going out there trying to figure this 43 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: all out as team builders, this is the time that 44 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 3: you really want to sit back, take a deep breath. 45 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 3: Look at that big board. I don't know how they 46 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: have it at your building there, but you know we 47 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 3: always we took a look at that depth chart forty 48 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 3: times a day when I was my last job with 49 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 3: Dan Quinn with the Falcons. You're a head coach and 50 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 3: a general manager are always at that the draft board. 51 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 3: They're always at the depth chart, always trying to revisit 52 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 3: what needs to truly be reloaded. Right, You'll always have 53 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: a very good idea. But now you step back after 54 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 3: all your travels and you really look at it. Where 55 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 3: do we go in the draft? Is there any opportunity 56 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 3: to go in the later parts of free agency and 57 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 3: acquire so that you don't have to do everything in 58 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 3: the draft. The Giants have six picks this year, right, 59 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: so it's not like they have a big load of 60 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 3: picks to deal with, So they're really focused on how 61 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: do we utilize them in the most effective and efficient way. 62 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 3: That's how most general managers and head coaches would approach it. 63 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 3: Now that they're back in the building, it's total massaging 64 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 3: of the draft board right now, that is a big, 65 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 3: big deal. And remember, lasting John, of many many more things. 66 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 3: You bring in all the information from all your scouts 67 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 3: who have been out on the road, and all of 68 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 3: your coaches who have been out working out players at 69 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 3: their position groupings, and you're gathering all this information and 70 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 3: then now you're starting to tighten it up and make 71 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: it nice and clean, to decide on hopefully what direction 72 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 3: you're going to go at six and beyond. 73 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 2: Of course as the GM and you were the general 74 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: manager of the Falcons from two thousand and eight to 75 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 2: twenty twenty, Thomas, how much do you have to play 76 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: referee between your scouting staff and the coaches where maybe 77 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: priorities a little bit different, The way they think about 78 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: scouting is a little bit different, and one group might 79 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: really like another player, another group might not like that 80 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: player and they like somebody else. How do you try 81 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: to bring those varying opinions together to come to a 82 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: consensus decision so you have unity on that player that 83 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: you slucked on draft day. 84 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 3: Well, let me start first by saying, I mean, the 85 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 3: Giants are very fortunate to have a guy like Brian 86 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 3: Daball as a coach who has a very good understanding 87 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 3: of evaluation. Right anyone who has gone through the Patriot 88 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: pair time, most have a good idea how to approach. 89 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,839 Speaker 3: Some have better eyes. Of course, Brian's always been known 90 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 3: to have a good eye. Of course, his relationship with 91 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 3: Joe Shane is outrageously important right when they're putting together 92 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 3: the team. So that's the very important start because a 93 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 3: guy like Brian Daball is going to tell his coaches, 94 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: you do your job. We've heard and there's usually an 95 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 3: expletive of attached to that, right, but you do your job. 96 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 3: You go out, you evaluate for us, you evaluate off 97 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 3: the video, and then you come back with the information 98 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 3: with your opinions talking about him talking to his or 99 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 3: Brian talking to his coaching staff, and then Joe will 100 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: go out and bring his scouting staff and all that 101 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 3: information in. But in the very end, it's the head 102 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,799 Speaker 3: coach and the general manager sitting down together and making 103 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 3: sure everyone is bringing the information they need and then 104 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 3: back off and let the head coach and the GM 105 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 3: truly look to see how they're going to put it together. 106 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 3: You can have certain organizations out there that listen to 107 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 3: both sides, and there's no question you do we like 108 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: to consider it oftentimes a lot of us who have 109 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 3: been through that Patriot paradigm as paramnal Right, it starts 110 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 3: down here, there's a wide base and as you start 111 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 3: moving towards the draft. In the end, it's the two 112 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 3: decision makers at the very end, you know, as your 113 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: owner has been saying recently, watching some of the quotes 114 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 3: that have come out from mister Marra. I'm gonna let 115 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 3: the GM and the head coach make this pick, right, 116 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 3: This is a big pick. They're gathering all that information 117 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 3: from both sides, coaching and scouting and what happens normally. 118 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 3: As you probably know, John, there's a lot of banter, right. 119 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 3: People have high opinions, people have low opinions. People you 120 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 3: know how many flavors out there. Everyone has an idea 121 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 3: of who they want for the organization, who they think 122 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 3: is going to make the organization better. You just have 123 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 3: to keep everyone in check so that it doesn't spin 124 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 3: out of control, John. Otherwise, if the coaching staff is 125 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 3: pushing hard on the scouting staff and the general manager, 126 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 3: that can get quite reckless. And at that point you're 127 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 3: spinning around as an organization. And we've seen these before. 128 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 3: That is not the Giants. Luckily, you have two men 129 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 3: in charge who are taking care of business. 130 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 2: How much can you do specifically from the Giants perspective? 131 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 2: Here at number six, Thomas, when you're thinking about, all right, 132 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: maybe there's a player. Theoretically it could be a quarterback 133 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 2: that you'd be willing to move up for. And the 134 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: Patriots who I don't know, if they've made this decision 135 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: yet they decide, look, we're willing to move out of three, right, 136 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 2: how much are you able to work on some of 137 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 2: these trade situations now, even though you might not know 138 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 2: who's going to be available at three because you don't 139 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: know who Washington's going to take, and that might impact 140 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: how much you might actually want to move up. So 141 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 2: there's a lot of unknowns right now. So how much 142 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 2: as a GM can you work on some of those 143 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 2: trade scenarios so when you if you have to wait 144 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 2: till draft night, you can quickly pull the trigger on them. 145 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 3: It's a great question. I was really active probably the 146 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 3: two first or the last two weeks before the draft 147 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 3: and what I would do, and I know there are 148 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 3: people out there. It's that adage of preparing times of 149 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: peace lead lesson times of war, right, Paton whoever? That 150 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 3: was the idea of making sure that you go out 151 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 3: there making calls to a lot of the people, and 152 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 3: a lot of times what you do is you take 153 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: your position and then you don't have ten picks in 154 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 3: front of you, but you know the six picks in 155 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 3: front and then ten or fifteen picks behind, and you 156 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 3: start working your potential trade asks basically, and then what 157 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 3: happens is you try to get a win win or 158 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: a fair trade at each one of those picks, so 159 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 3: you can start thinking about what it would take to 160 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 3: move back five or ten or fifteen or up. And 161 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 3: then what I would do quite often is I would 162 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 3: call the general managers of the teams and I would 163 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 3: touch base and say, hey, Howie Roseman. You guys wouldn't 164 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 3: be calling Howie to do any sort of trading, but 165 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I would call Howie and 166 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 3: I'd say, look, are you guys interested at all in 167 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 3: moving up five picks or back or whatever? And I 168 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: would try to get a gauge on the general managers 169 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 3: out there. Yes, I'd be interested, talk to me on 170 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 3: the clock, or no way, I wouldn't be interested. We're 171 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 3: not moving tea. Because some people will give you that information, 172 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: you have to in my mind, you have to gauge 173 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: interest and maybe levels of interest. It really helps. That 174 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 3: can change on the fly, as you know, John, but 175 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: it's a really helpful tool to make sure people out 176 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 3: there know that you're willing. So the first time you 177 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 3: talk to him isn't normally on the clock, because that 178 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 3: can get a little hectic. 179 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 4: You love turf, you're good at it, so you start 180 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 4: a turf fiz. Business grows, your savings grow, become the 181 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 4: most celebrated name in turfs. Are you ready for all 182 00:08:58,480 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 4: that life brings? 183 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: John Sottle podcast is brought to you by Citizens, the 184 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: official bank of the Giants from Game that every day. 185 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: Citizens is made ready for Giant fans with insights, guidance 186 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: and solutions. Learn more at citizensbank dot com. So thirty 187 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: visits are happening right now, Thomas. You get these guys 188 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 2: in the building and I want to lock in specifically 189 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,599 Speaker 2: on the quarterback position. We had Kurt Wanner on a 190 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: couple days ago, and this is a Hall of Fame quarterback, 191 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: and he expressed how difficult it is for him, who 192 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: obviously knows as much about the position as anyone, to 193 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: evaluate these college quarterbacks because he's trying to evaluate them 194 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 2: on plays where he thinks they're doing things in college 195 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 2: that they would be asked to do in the pros 196 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 2: right go through their progressions, and he basically said that 197 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: it's hard for me to really say based on the 198 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: scheme they're in and not being able to sit down 199 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: and talk to these guys, and Joe Shane has pointed 200 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 2: out that meeting with these quarterbacks in addition, is just 201 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: as important as the film evaluation, right to understand how 202 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: their mind works, how they learn. You can see what 203 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: their thought processes on certain plays, how they break down tape. 204 00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: So how important were these visits for you with quarterbacks 205 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: to really understand how they're thinking and whether or not 206 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: they can process at an NFL level? And how do 207 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 2: you go about those meetings and what are you trying 208 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: to get out of them? 209 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 3: So first, extremely important. I remember sitting down with Matt 210 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 3: Ryan and he was with the entire table, all of 211 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 3: our coaching staff that were with us, the owner. Matt's 212 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 3: up there on the board, you know whatever he was 213 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: talking about, literally flipped the pen up in the air, 214 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 3: sat down, and you were like, there was a little 215 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 3: bit of sort of football genius there that I thought, Okay, 216 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 3: that's the number one thing I definitely need to check. Right. 217 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 3: The last thing you want is obviously a quarterback that 218 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 3: doesn't have the football brain that you need. Massively important. 219 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 3: We know that you also, of course get an opportunity 220 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: to gauge the personality, the leadership, the communicative skills, right. 221 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 3: Some people can articulate very well. Others, as smart as 222 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 3: they are John are kind of flipping around, right, They 223 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: just don't clearly communicate. So that was another opportunity to 224 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 3: really see this person looking you in the eyes. Are 225 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 3: they communicating? Are they are they communicating clearly succinctly enough 226 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 3: where appropriate? That's really really important. How they interact with 227 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 3: everyone else within a room. You know, if they're if 228 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: they're if they are at what's called the way it is, 229 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 3: if they have kind of a sketchy side and they're 230 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 3: just they're not in tune with the ten people that 231 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 3: are around the table. Along with an owner, you can gauge, 232 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 3: you can gauge confidence, you can gauge insecurities. In my mind, 233 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 3: there's a lot you can do there really really important time. 234 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 3: Remember that's usually not the first time you spend time 235 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 3: with them. You'll eve you're you will have either met 236 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 3: with them at the combine or at the school. This 237 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 3: is the final one though, This is the really important 238 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 3: meeting where you're really drilling down on everything. You need 239 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 3: to check the boxes on right and again, if if 240 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: you walk away from a meeting that doesn't stir you, 241 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 3: and that doesn't like, check the box. Thanks, this is 242 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 3: the guy we want. This is a personality we need 243 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 3: to lead. That's an unsettling feeling. Believe me, I've met 244 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 3: with people before where you leave and you're thinking, there's 245 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 3: no way I would take this guy. There's no way 246 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 3: that this player could lead the troops. That's uneasy right 247 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 3: when you think this is the guy we're hoping to 248 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 3: lead us for the next ten years, and you walk 249 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 3: away from that live meeting wondering about his football intelligence, 250 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: his ability to communicate, et cetera, et cetera, so vital 251 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 3: vital times. 252 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 2: So when you think about a quarterback potential for the 253 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 2: Giants here, you know, put yourself in the decision makers 254 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: chair for a second. Where Daniel Jones two years ago 255 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: plays well, Giants win a playoff game, they gave him 256 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 2: a big contract in the offseason, and then last season 257 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 2: everything goes wrong. He eventually gets hurt, the offensive line 258 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 2: is in shambles in front of him. You have a 259 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: really tough schedule early of games against you know, Miami, 260 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: the Cowboys, the forty nine ers. 261 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: Nothing goes right. 262 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: It's just a bad year and now Daniel's under You 263 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 2: have to how a man your roster this year. Joe 264 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 2: shaneas said he's gonna be our starter week one, assuming 265 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 2: is healthy from the knee injury. But you're sitting at six, 266 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 2: and you don't want to be picking at six very often. 267 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 2: And I think this is probably around where you guys 268 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 2: were picking when you drafted Matt Ryan. Right, where were 269 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: you guys when you picked Ryan? 270 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 3: You picked third? 271 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: Third? Okay? 272 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 2: So general area, So you don't you're not the Raiders 273 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 2: or the Vikings where maybe you're you know, have no 274 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: one in house where you feel really great about being 275 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: a quarterback. 276 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: So how much do you really have to evaluate this group? 277 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: People say four guys at the top, however you look 278 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 2: at it, but you're not gonna like all four or 279 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: five guys to your previous point, right, So. 280 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: What does the buy in factor have to be? Like? 281 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 2: Is there a guy that you'd be good okay with 282 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 2: at fifteen but not okay with at six? 283 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: Does you have to be all buying no matter what? 284 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 2: Like, how do you make that decision if you should 285 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 2: draft this particular player at six and or if you 286 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 2: should go and draft an elite player at a different 287 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: position which might also will be a premium spot. 288 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: Well, look, I think, first of all, there's a lot 289 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 3: into this, as you know, whether you stay at six 290 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 3: and pick a quarterback, whether you move up to three 291 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: and or two and go after Jade and Daniels, like, 292 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 3: make a legitimate move. I'm speaking here, so you can 293 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: kind of read between the lines there that, of course 294 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 3: I like Jayden Downels, doesn't mean that I don't like 295 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 3: some of these other guys. I think there's some really 296 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: good good football players there. What a general manager and 297 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 3: a head coach need to think about when they're sitting 298 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 3: at six after they have spent a lot of money. 299 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 3: I believe it was, was it one hundred and sixty million? 300 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 3: Is that? 301 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: What was the It was total four for one sixty, 302 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 2: but the last year you can kind of get out 303 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: of so it was kind of like three for like 304 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: one eighteen type of type of area. 305 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 3: That whole that whole one sixty for six games played 306 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 3: basically right so far? Is that correct? 307 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: Correct? 308 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 3: That's a that's a big move for the team builders 309 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 3: to make right and to move to the the idea 310 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 3: of potentially saying, Okay, we're cashing out, we're gonna move 311 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 3: on from this because of so called injury history et cetera, 312 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 3: et cetera. I don't know how many sound mind general 313 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 3: managers out there and be careful about this would wholeheartedly 314 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 3: say no, I'm moving away. I'm gonna go up and 315 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 3: get a quarterback. The thought out and I think smart 316 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 3: way to approach this and say, okay, let's look at 317 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 3: these scenarios. What would it take and what would we 318 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 3: get moving up to three or four, what would we 319 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: get as a quarter picking a quarterback at six? And 320 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 3: what will we get if we traded back to pick 321 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 3: a quarterback. Those are the three scenarios that are obviously 322 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 3: really really important because I think in the very end, 323 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 3: you need to look at it and say, look, we 324 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 3: have really not truly dug in to Daniel Jones. We 325 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 3: need to surround him with the best players we can. 326 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 3: So we need to figure out we need to figure 327 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 3: out the running back situation. Let me start by saying, 328 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 3: we need to figure out our own line situation, which 329 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 3: it seems as though they're starting to do. Need to 330 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 3: figure out the number one receiver position. In my mind, 331 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 3: I think you need to truly and this was one 332 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 3: of the things we did with Matt Ryan. You need 333 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 3: to find out what you're going to do with your 334 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 3: tight end. The idea of Waller leaving and not having 335 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 3: the big time tight end waiting in the wings here, 336 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 3: that's truly concerning for me. One of the things that 337 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 3: I think organizationally a team in this situation should think 338 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: about is not necessarily just a receiver at six. There's 339 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 3: some great ones there and you know that. Let's put 340 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 3: aside the quarterback thought and think, do we trade back 341 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 3: and possibly get one of the best tight ends to 342 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 3: come out in the last ten years in Brock Bowlers, 343 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 3: Because here's what you have there. You have a high 344 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 3: percentage shot who can run roughshot over most of the 345 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 3: defensive backs I think in the league. He's a very 346 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 3: special tight end. So that's another part of the scenario 347 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 3: you truly need to dig into. In my mind, that 348 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 3: is not just a receiver that there are other ways 349 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 3: to make sure you're surrounding this quarterback who needs to 350 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 3: take it to the next level. You need high percentage 351 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 3: count on go to players. Sure, neighbors is you know 352 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 3: you know that. I mean, I'm not talking about some 353 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 3: of the other receivers out there. We know that, But 354 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 3: with brought Bowers, I think that is a consideration I 355 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 3: don't know if anyone in your world has been talking 356 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 3: about that, but it's something to think about. 357 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I have Bowers in terms of a grade 358 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 2: right with those top three wide receivers. 359 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's a wonderful player. 360 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 2: So Thomas, let let's now dive into some of these 361 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 2: individual guys that you brought up, just curious to get 362 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 2: your your take having a general manager's eye on these quarterbacks. 363 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: But first and reminder, Giant fans level winner, It's why 364 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 2: they love Citizens named the twenty twenty two best bank 365 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 2: in the US by the Banker as the official bank 366 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 2: of the Giants and sponsor of the Huddle. Citizens is 367 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 2: made ready for fans of Big Blue. Learn more at 368 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 2: Citizens bank dot com. All right, how do you have 369 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: these you mentioned Jaden Dan you'ready and Caleb Williams. You know, 370 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 2: we can kind of pushing side. I doubt that's going 371 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 2: to be an availability. Like, how do you stack this 372 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: quarterback group? Where do you kind of have your big 373 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 2: gaps in terms of, you know, tier wise, where you 374 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: have these guys who's. 375 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: Worthy of a top ten pick in your opinion? Et cetera, 376 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: et cetera. 377 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 3: Well, look, the Kleeb thing is going to be interesting. 378 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 3: We know that, so we don't need to talk about 379 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 3: that a whole bunch. Let's just assume that he's going 380 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 3: to Chicago. Let's think of trying to figure out as 381 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 3: it Jaden Daniels, is it, Drake May who's the next 382 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 3: one up? And I think personally I think they're both 383 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 3: fantastic quarterbacks. Having been in involved with the Falcons for 384 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 3: a number of years and being around Matt Ryan, who 385 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 3: did great things for us. You know Matt was a 386 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 3: good or a solid adequate athlete, right, you realize more 387 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 3: and more what a quarterback that has excellent athleticism as 388 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 3: well as the ability to throw the ball. That's one 389 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 3: of the things that I think Jayden Daniels is right. 390 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 3: He can break it open in so many different ways. 391 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 3: He's my number two. I love how he's progressed by 392 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 3: the way over this last year. I think the ability 393 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 3: to get a little weight on him. I think he's 394 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 3: got special ability to do amazing things, not only the 395 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 3: ball in his hand if he had to run, but 396 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 3: of course move it. And if you can do that 397 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 3: and keep defenses on their heels, we know how important 398 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 3: that is, right, very different than just sitting back their 399 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 3: old style in the pocket. Right Drake May I mean, 400 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 3: Drake in my mind is the next one here. I 401 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 3: think Drake in my mind, I mean another big guy, 402 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 3: good athlete. He may not be the same excellent athlete 403 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 3: like two steps up where Jade Daniels is and maybe 404 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 3: Caleb Williams, but a good athlete, big strong body who 405 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 3: can throw some of his development. I still think it's 406 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 3: going to take a little bit more time for him 407 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 3: to develop, is my feeling. That's what differentiates between the 408 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 3: number two and the number three. I mean, we start 409 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 3: talking about we start talking about big well, you guys 410 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 3: don't call it big Blue in Michigan. In big Blue 411 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 3: I'm talking about I mean, we're talking about you know, 412 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 3: jaj and we're talking about McCarthy right where he is 413 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 3: right now. Is he worthy of being a top two 414 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 3: or three pick. I mean, I've been hearing a lot 415 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 3: about that lately. He's an interesting next He's the interesting 416 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 3: next wave, and I think there's a gap there. Although 417 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 3: I really like him. I think he's excuse me, obviously, 418 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 3: very competitive, but I also like bo Nicks, and I 419 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 3: think you start talking about bow Knicks. Although a little 420 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 3: bit older where Bo Knicks is. I think Bo is 421 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 3: a strong guy. He's another athletic guy. He'll throw the ball, 422 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 3: highly competitive, has a really good understanding of what his 423 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 3: system was. So I liked that group in the top. 424 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 3: I think Bo, even though they're talking about him being twelve, thirteen, fourteen, 425 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 3: you never know if there's a run all of a sudden, 426 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 3: someone right at that ten spot might be thinking about 427 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 3: him as well. Who else? 428 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, one guy you didn't mention it was Michael Pennix, right, 429 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 2: So I'm curious to see other than the medicals, which 430 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: obviously we're not doctors. 431 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: We don't know what the medical reports say. 432 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 2: When you view just as a player, Thomas, what are 433 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 2: some of the things obviously you know what, he's great 434 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 2: aut right downfield, thrower, all that stuff, big time arm. 435 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 2: What are some of the things just based on his 436 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 2: tape that maybe have you concerned about how he might 437 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 2: translate to the NFL game. 438 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 3: I just as I mentioned before, just his ability to 439 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 3: move around in the same way and avoid in the 440 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 3: same way, right, I mean, yes, we're always going to 441 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 3: be concerned about the medical right as general managers, we 442 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 3: overthink that because we do and we have to and honestly, 443 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 3: a team like the Giants, anytime you've ever been stung 444 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 3: by a little bit of that, Even if you're thinking 445 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 3: about moving back into fifteen or twenty, let's just say hypothetically, 446 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 3: and Michael Pennix is there, you are worried. Can you 447 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 3: imagine being the same group of team builders and having 448 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 3: to deal with something like that, a recurrence of an 449 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 3: injury situation? So it's really tough not to go and 450 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 3: to take a quarterback that isn't extremely clean. I think 451 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 3: Michael's ability, maybe limited ability to move around like some 452 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 3: of these other guys is to me what differentiates little 453 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 3: Obviously South Paul Wright can hit it downfield, got He's 454 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 3: done great things there. I think he's more in the 455 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 3: twenties and beyond. To be honest with you. 456 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 4: You're ready for a change. Pay Day comes early with citizens, 457 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 4: So go to that retreat, knew you move to the country. 458 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 4: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are 459 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 4: you ready for all that life breaks? 460 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,479 Speaker 2: So you would have then Nixon McCarthy in that kind 461 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 2: of teens type of area, and then you would have 462 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 2: Panics a little bit behind them. 463 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 3: That fair I would have McCarthy more than I can 464 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 3: see McCarthy being in the top ten. When I said 465 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 3: when I said bow Nicks, I just thought that he's 466 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 3: a guy that could you could possibly get it to twelve, thirteen, 467 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 3: fourteen area. I'm thinking just because there's so much hotness 468 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 3: right now, focus you know, on JJJ to try to 469 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 3: figure out where he's gonna go. But I think, again, 470 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 3: this is a fun quarterback group to watch, and has 471 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 3: say fun only because you're not beating them up right there. 472 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 3: They all have a lot that they bring to the table. 473 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 3: But we all know the probabilities, right. We think we're 474 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 3: excited about him, and then all of a sudden three 475 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 3: of them don't work out. It's not easy, of course, and. 476 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: That's what it's gonna be. 477 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 2: There's six of these guys, right, and three of them 478 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,239 Speaker 2: probably are not gonna work out. That's just been what 479 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 2: the odds are in the NFL, my final one of 480 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 2: the quarterbacks. 481 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: Real quick? 482 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 2: Do you see that, like top seven quarterback in the league? 483 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 2: Upside in McCarthy. I know he's a good athlete, he 484 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 2: moves around, all the leadership and all that stuff, but 485 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 2: do you see enough physical traits from him where you 486 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 2: can see him in the future being one of those 487 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 2: you know, superman type quarterbacks, the Herbert's and Lamar Jackson's, 488 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 2: you know, the Burrows, that type of guy that can 489 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: carry a team. Where do you think he's more of 490 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 2: like your you know, Kirk Cousins goth type where you 491 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 2: have to have the right situation around them. 492 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 3: Like I said, I think I love his competitive I 493 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 3: love everything that you know, the coaches are talking about 494 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 3: from Michigan and everything that he brings to the table. 495 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 3: Obviously that's really really important. However, I do think that 496 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 3: he's much more in the mid area there. 497 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 2: Right. 498 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 3: He could have he could have seasons where he could 499 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 3: work up into the top ten, you know, let twelve, 500 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 3: or he could go the other way towards the top twenties. 501 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 3: Because you just never know. Right in my mind, it 502 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 3: will be really fun to watch how he develops. You know, 503 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 3: there is some question out there that I think people 504 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 3: need to dig into and they just need to find out, Okay, 505 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 3: where is he thrown to the left side of the 506 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 3: field if they can get their heads around this. And again, 507 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 3: Coach Harbaugh, I mean when you talk about Jim, you 508 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 3: know he loves him, right, He loves him at note, 509 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 3: and I love I love the fact that he's so 510 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 3: passionate about it, and that guy knows football and that 511 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 3: guy knows quarterbacks, so he has seen him come to 512 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 3: the table with a lot of special elements. Whether he's 513 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 3: outside of the top ten or not. Uh, that will 514 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,239 Speaker 3: be remain to be seen. Hell of a foot, hell 515 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 3: of a football player. 516 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I like them too, to be honest with you, 517 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 2: wide receivers at the top, he are real quick. Yet 518 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: like two you know, two three minutes left? Do you 519 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: have these guys that stacked us close together as everyone else? 520 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 2: Is all three worthy? They could be top wide receiver 521 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 2: in any class? And if not, why and then how 522 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 2: do you have them stacked? 523 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 3: So I'm I'm a so I do have him stacked 524 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 3: that way. I haven't stacked Marvin Harris and I haven't 525 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 3: stacked neighbors. And then for me, adunzie a dunzee, how 526 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 3: do we pronounce that? O? 527 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: Dons I believe? 528 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 3: Excuse me, it's no better than that. So, I mean, 529 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 3: I guess the thing that I love about neighbors. However, 530 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 3: even though I do have Marvin and uh just over 531 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 3: them a little bit, I love neighbors explosiveness. I love, 532 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 3: I love. I'm a huge fan of route running. Right. 533 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 3: You can take some of the best athletes who might 534 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 3: not be as rip off the top fast, but their 535 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 3: ability to separate. One of the reasons that we went 536 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: after Julio Jones. Unbelievable route running ability for a guy 537 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 3: who was almost six ' three ran a route like 538 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 3: he was five to eleven. I mean, neighbors, what he 539 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 3: can do, separate, how he can what he can do 540 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 3: after the play to me, to me, and maybe eclipse 541 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 3: is a strong word, but you know overshadows where even 542 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 3: Marvin is right, He's the guy that can stop, start 543 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 3: and do all kinds of stuff with the ball in 544 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 3: his hand. After So Marvin a little bit more on 545 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 3: the side side of things, of course has it over 546 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 3: top of him, but it is really really close there. 547 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 3: And if I had to pick Neighbors over Marvin Harrison 548 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 3: for one reason or Harrison went just before, I'm not 549 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 3: looking back. I'm not wandering around going, oh man, what 550 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 3: a want want pick? That was no man. It was 551 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 3: kind of similar when we were looking at Julio Jones 552 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 3: and we were looking at aj Green right in the 553 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 3: very end, we thought Julio was going to be better 554 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 3: for us, more so than aj Green right back in 555 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 3: the day. So this could be a fun situation for 556 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 3: the Giants if they do, in fact go this direction. 557 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 2: Final question, if you're trying to make this move for 558 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 2: the Giants, you don't go quarterback. You're sitting there staring 559 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 2: at Bowers, You're staring at the three wide receivers, and 560 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 2: then Joel sitting there too. Right. You already tried to 561 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 2: address the offensive line and free agency, but it's been 562 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 2: an issue for years. To your point, you want to 563 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: shore things up in front of Daniel, but you need 564 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: that number one playmaker to Thomas as someone. When you 565 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 2: were there GM, you addressed offensive tackle. I think Jake Matthews, right, 566 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 2: he was your pick in the top ten. You drafted obviously, 567 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 2: Julio Jones high. Where would you go with the Giants 568 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 2: here if you're really trying to get the best situation 569 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 2: around Jones with that sixth overall pick. 570 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,959 Speaker 3: Well, look, you have to have the right protection, right. 571 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 3: We all know that we've all had those those funky 572 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 3: times where we thought we had the O line to 573 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 3: build with and we still couldn't couldn't get there. I 574 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 3: saw Joe Shane's comments out there about the O line recently, right, 575 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 3: he was pretty outspoken. You know, you get you get 576 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,719 Speaker 3: a quarterback who's not given time. They can't produce, they 577 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 3: can't learn, they can't grow. So that would be a 578 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 3: very important discussion to have, you know, with your team. 579 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 3: You can find some receivers out there that can be 580 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 3: really good for this organization. In the second round. It's 581 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 3: a nice strong receiver class. 582 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: There's also awesome I'm sorry, go ahead, finish up. 583 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 3: Yeah no, And there's there's obviously some really good old 584 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 3: linemen that are leading to, you know, through the draft 585 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 3: where maybe you trade back later into the first round, 586 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 3: middle of the first round and get another bona fide 587 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 3: O lineman. I don't know necessarily though, if Alt is 588 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 3: a person that you take there, I think if you're 589 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 3: looking for O line, maybe you think about trading back 590 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 3: in the you know, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, get some 591 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 3: more draft booty, so to speak, and work with it, 592 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 3: versus taking the O lineman at six. 593 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 2: I'm I'm on the same page. You get someone that's 594 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 2: the natural right tackle too, if you want right in 595 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 2: the middle of that first round. There's so many guys 596 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 2: that can that can do that. Thomas, tell the folks 597 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 2: about Sumer Sports and where they can find all the 598 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 2: great stuff you guys are doing. 599 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 3: Summer Sports dot Com. We're we're a roster optimization group 600 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 3: where we're really we're out there doing a lot of 601 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 3: really good work. We have some great intelligent people who 602 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 3: know football really well, all kinds of great data out 603 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 3: there for the fantasy side too. I think you'll really 604 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 3: enjoy it. We have a great draft guide there that 605 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 3: you all should check out as well. Summer Sport dot Com. 606 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have the draft guy. That's fantastic. You do 607 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: great work with Eric Eager. 608 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 2: There's a suomer Sports show on sirius XM, the Draft Show, 609 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 2: your podcast, the whole deal. 610 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: Guys, go out there and find. 611 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 2: The Thomas Dimitrov, former general management of the Falcons, NFL 612 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 2: executive from Summer Sports, thanks so much for the time 613 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 2: you got it. 614 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: Thanks John, thanks for joining us. Everybody. 615 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,719 Speaker 2: You'll see you next time in the Giants Tottle podcast 616 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 2: for you by Citizens, the Official bank of the Giants.