WEBVTT - Episode 31: The Truth About Ivermectin with Dr. Pierre Kory 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.600 Up next The Truth with Lisa both part of the 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:08.680 Welcome Back to the Truth with Lisa Booth. Iver Meden. 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:11.440 You've heard about it in the news. Some say it's 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.880 a game changer for treating COVID. Others say it's a 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:18.040 bunch of nonsense. So who's right? If you've been watching 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:20.400 CNN or reading the New York Times and you probably 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:23.119 think Iver macden is just a horse de wurmer that 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:26.200 a few crazy doctors and conservatives think can treat COVID. 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:30.160 That's the message that the media and the medical establishment 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:32.519 want you to hear, want you to believe. But the 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:36.280 truth is their substantial evidence showing Iver meckden is actually 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:40.040 quite effective at treating COVID. Dr Pierre Corey has poured 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:42.000 through all the evidence and is one of the world's 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:45.120 leading proponents of Iver macden as a treatment for COVID, 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.600 and he's someone who should take seriously. Dr Corey is 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.040 the president and a founding member of the front Line 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:53.959 COVID nineteen Critical Care Alliance. Dr Corey leat I see 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.880 us in multiple COVID hotspots, including New York City at 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:58.920 the height of the pandemic, and during that time he 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:02.880 also co authored several influential papers on the virus. Previously, 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.280 Dr Corey was the chief of Critical Care Service and 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.240 the medical director at the Trauma and Life Support Center 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:10.800 at the University of Wisconsin, and before that, he was 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:13.600 a physician at Beth Israel Medical Center in New York. 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.200 He's also a pioneer in the use of ultrasound by 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.520 physicians and the diagnosis and treatment of critically ill patients, 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:22.320 and has won numerous teaching awards in every hospital that 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:24.520 he has worked. But these days he has been a 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:28.000 passionate advocate for Ivor mecden and a fierce critic of 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:31.280 the medical establishment, which he believes is more focused on 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:34.080 other priorities than ensuring the health of the public. Today 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:44.279 we get to the truth of Ivor macdona. Dr Pierre Corey, 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.400 you know, thank you so much for coming on the show. 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:49.880 The Truth Quickly sa booth Is podcast actually started during 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:51.920 COVID because I felt like the truth wasn't getting out 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:53.880 there about things like lockdown and a lot of the 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.760 data and information. So I'm really excited to talk to 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.920 you about Iver macdon Yeah, I appreciate it. I'm glad 0:01:59.920 --> 0:02:01.800 to have the opportunity to do that. You told a 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:06.520 Senate committee last December that iver mectin is effectively a 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:10.720 miracle drug against COVID nineteen. What is it? Yeah, so 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:14.720 iver mactin is um it's an old medicine. I guess 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.519 not very old. It is very pretty much discovered in 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:21.560 late seventies and first manufactured and distributed in the eighties 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:26.000 and nine eighties. It's an anti parasite drug. And the 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:30.720 discoverers of iver mecton actually won the Nobel Prize because 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:36.160 that drug actually transformed the global health status of hundreds 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:40.600 of millions of people that suffered from parasitic diseases. One 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:45.399 of them was called river blindness, where men, not only men, 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.079 but adults in a lot of communities in Africa were 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.520 blind by the age of forty from this parasite. And 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:54.320 so it essentially restored the site of of countless people 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:58.919 across Africa and Asia and even South America. And so 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.960 it's a really important drug historically UM and the who 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:07.240 actually has distributed across continents hundreds of millions of doses. 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:10.880 In fact, four billion doses have been used in humans 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.480 over the last four decades. So it's a really uh 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:17.400 well known and famous drug. The discoverers won the Nobel 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:20.720 Prize for it. And so that's what that's what it 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:24.360 originally was discovered to do. But over about ten years 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.440 ago it was discovered in the lab that it was 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.360 really effective against a number of viruses and so like 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:33.160 ZEKEA and west nil and denge and even HIV and influenza. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:35.560 It was showing that, you know, at the bench it 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:37.320 was it was it was showing that it could stop 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:41.160 viral replication of a number of viruses similar to coronavirus. 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:45.040 So how in terms of using it to combat COVID nineteen, 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.920 you know, how is it best used against it? Well, 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:49.880 there's a number of ways you can use it. Actually, 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:52.840 I would say there's there's sort of four phases you 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:55.000 could use it in. And that's what makes it sort 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:59.040 of just this incredible drug. And as my colleague, UM 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:03.600 and sort of mentor who first actually identified that we needed. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:05.000 You know, I'm part of a group, I'm part of 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:09.040 an organization. We're just five experts in medicine, highly published, 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.920 very credible. Um. We all have had many contributions to 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:16.640 medicine and are all actually very well known prior to 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:20.880 the pandemic. For individual contributions, and you know, we've been 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.760 researching everything COVID since it started. I mean we just 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.720 did nothing but read papers, exchange papers, and we were 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.560 looking at all the therapeutics, all of the trials, and 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:33.640 we you know Paul Paul Marrack, he he identified AVERMIC 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:38.400 and as as looking just really good. Uh, probably early October, 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.760 about a year ago, and we started looking into it 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:43.880 as a group, and I wrote a review paper with 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.880 the group, and we immersed ourselves in all of the 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:52.839 trials data and we just were overwhelmed. And so um, 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.640 we that that's what led to my testimony where I 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:59.440 really spoke very forcefully about the critical need to use 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.320 it and so would you use it in COVID? Well, 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:06.560 the strongest data is in prevention. It's actually this weekly 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.760 potent preventative. So if you take it regularly, um, your 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:14.200 chances of getting COVID are drastically reduced, especially if you 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:16.880 take it, you know, like weekly. Some of the trials 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:19.440 are showing near hundred percent protection, some are showing a 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:23.880 percent protection or well over ninety. Um. Some trials where 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:27.080 they take healthcare workers once a month or even showing 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:31.839 you seventy protection. So that's the prevention data. Then you 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:35.159 have early treatment, which is different. You wouldn't just take 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.240 one dose, you would take you know, a higher dose 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.200 for some days in a row to three five days. 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:43.000 We now advocate for five days um. And you can 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.760 use it early treatment, and especially the earlier you start, 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.080 people turn around immediately. Um. They really start to feel 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:52.120 better very quickly. And we just see these consistent, amazing 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.839 responses with it, and that that's been described by lots 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.880 of doctors around the world. And then later on in 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:01.560 hospital you have to use much higher doses, less effective 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.400 as a single agent there, but we use combinations of 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:06.640 therapies in the hospital and that's you know, one of 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.680 them in the in the protocol. And then the last, 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:13.839 which is incredible, is in long haul covid um. That's 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.800 been just incredible story. Like we use it in long 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:20.200 haulers and boy do they respond. We've had so many 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.680 people who are like I've had a number of patients 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.719 who are effectively disabled with long haul just couldn't function, 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:30.360 Fatigue all the time, dizzy, high heart rates, sweaty, like 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:32.960 all these odd like sort of what we call autonomic 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:37.719 symptoms that went away with ivermectin. On the challenge with 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:41.240 long haul is that we're finding that they actually need 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.960 to stay on it, so that most of my patients 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:47.000 with long haul they take two to three doses a week, 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.080 and if they miss a dose or try to stop 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:50.720 or try to wing them off, a lot of their 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.560 symptoms come back. And so we still haven't figure out 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.400 how to cure it, but we're definitely managing it really well. 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.920 And how safe is it. It's one of the safest 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.800 drugs known to man. So don't believe everything you read this. 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.720 You know, I'm just gonna speak frankly because I'm really done. 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:08.159 I've been doing this for a year and I'm just 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:11.800 gonna tell you what I'm seeing and just the absurdity. 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:17.200 But this controversy around iver mecton, I need to be clear, 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:22.800 it's not controversy. It's corruption masquerading as controversy. It is 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:27.360 what happens when you have a repurpose drug that's threatens 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:30.240 the financial interests of the pharmaceutical industry. They've been doing 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:33.400 this for years. Iver Macton is not unique at all. 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.040 I mean, Mettan is a repurpose drug, and the phone 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.720 student industry has been at war with repurpose drugs for 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:43.240 decades and so when you see all of this stuff 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:46.800 that they put out and in trying to inject you know, 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:50.160 controversy or doubt or distorting or suppressing the data around 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:53.280 iver mectin, it's just part of a playbook of those 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:55.760 who have, you know, deep financial interest in making sure 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:59.320 that iver mectin is not recognized as an effective therapeutic. 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:04.120 And so you know, these concerns on safety is just bizarre. 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:07.680 I mean it's not only bizarre, it's actually just absolutely false. 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:11.800 In the w h O documents themselves, their guidelines for 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:17.080 treating parasitic diseases, they repeatedly state that ibra mactin the 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:20.760 side effects are generally minor and transient. One of the 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.440 world experts who did a safety review of ira mactin 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:28.400 said that severe side effects are unequivocally and exceedingly rare. 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.880 It's not toxic to the liver, it's not toxic to 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:35.400 the kidneys, it's not toxic to the lungs, and like 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:39.520 I said, it's distributed across continents to people, old, young, infirm, 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:44.040 more abidities for decades, and we have tons of safety 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.760 data now in COVID even at very high doses and 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:50.760 for extended durations and so there's not one lack of 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.360 a safety there's not one signal that shows that it's 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:58.000 not safe. And so even in overdoses, So in the 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:03.760 safety review, there's acts not one documented accepted instance of 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:07.719 a death directly caused by ivermecne, even in massive overdoses. 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:11.240 So massive overdoses, people have gotten sick, they go to 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.800 the hospital and with just supportive care, they're they're better 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:15.760 in two to three days. But those are like you 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:17.640 can count them on one hand the amount of times 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:22.720 that's been reported. And so the safety is just unparalleled, 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:26.440 absolutely unparalleled. Well, and isn't problem part of the problem 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:28.599 as you see the media and the f DA, you know, 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:30.920 they're trying to label it as a horsety warmer because 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.640 it does have purposes for both livestock and for humans, 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:35.880 But it isn't part of the challenges. You know, you 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:39.520 have people taking dosages that they shouldn't be taking because 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.480 obviously a dosage meant for a cow or horse that 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.320 weighs like a thousand pounds or you know, more than 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.439 a ton is not going to be healthy for a 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.280 human being, right, And so isn't that part of the 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.240 challenge there or what what is that? So the challenges 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:57.920 this I would reframe that, which is that without guidance 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.040 from the health agents, then you're not going to get 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.040 that right. So, so the health agents are firmly opposed 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:08.480 to iver mac them. Um Again, I'm sorry, but we 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.120 we are seeing one of the grossest and most absurd 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:15.400 examples of regulatory capture and history. Right. So those agencies, 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:20.520 what I call the alphabet agencies, are literally acting under 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:25.400 the sole intent and guidance of the pharmaceutical industry. It's 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.640 absolutely clear there's abundant amounts of evidence. And it's not 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:32.880 just around iver mactin, it's around remdessevere, it's around the vaccines. 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.960 And so to ask for guidance from them on two 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:40.200 people and how to or providers, how to prescribe and 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:42.439 how to dose it, they're not giving it. So you're 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:46.720 creating a situation were Unfortunately, people who you know, have 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.719 followed the data, they follow credible scientists like myself and 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.560 my organization. They understand its efficacy and they hear the 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:55.760 reports from around the world and they want to use it. 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:59.680 And so unfortunately they're they're having to self prescribe. Now 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.719 those reports of overdoses where people are filling e rs. 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:09.000 You understand at least those were completely false, like totally false, 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:12.080 and I've been debunked, And so no one's filling up 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.720 e rs with overdoses. The calls to the poison Control Center, 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:19.240 I the vast majority of people asking questions because they 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.440 were forced to take animal veterinary products. Is no one's 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:25.120 going to prescribe it, or a very few doctors are prescribing. 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:29.120 So it's just an unfortunate situation of a war on 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.960 a very safe, old, cheap and repurpose drug, and so 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.040 it's not being made available and there's not good guidance 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.480 on on how to use them. So I think these 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:42.080 people are unfortunately having the self prescribed. They're gonna make mistakes, 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.480 But I gotta tell you it has such a wide 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.960 margin of safety around dosing that I mean every time 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.120 I read an article about people overdosing, I mean I laugh, 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.440 I mean literally that it's very hard to do that. 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.400 And just because you take a horse paste, I mean 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:00.880 it clearly says on the box, you know that this 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.319 this much for a thousand pound horse, this much for 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.000 a two and fifty pound So just because you're taking 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:07.880 a horse space doesn't mean that you're going to overdose 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:14.120 and so UM. Now again I cannot advocate for veterinary products. UM. 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:16.360 I feel bad for those people who resort to that. 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:18.840 But you know, it's like a colleague said, you know, 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:21.360 it's like someone who's dying of first who's forced to 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:23.920 drink out of a muddy creek. It's it's a truly 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:28.839 unfortunate situation. And our organization has been working tiresly trying 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.120 to get the agency is trying to get someone to 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:35.400 provide guidance to providers, at least a weak recommendation, some recommendation, 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:37.800 and they refuse to do so. Why are they so 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.120 against it? I mean, as you mentioned the alphabet agencies. 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.120 You've got the f d A, the ni AGE, the 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:46.360 World Health Organization, the Journal, American Medical Association. You all 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:50.959 against iver MACTAM for usage to combat COVID. Why are 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.760 they so against it? So there's many reasons. And again 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:58.200 I hate sounding like a conspiracy theorist, but you know 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.040 when I said regulatory caps R, the w h O 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.880 has been well documented to be under the influence of 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:10.440 the pharmaceutical industry and or philanthropy organizations which are very 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:15.000 heavily vaccine influenced, and so it's viewed as an opponent 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:20.160 of vaccine policy. That's one is that the one one 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.760 argument is that in the eu A, so the Emergency 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:27.559 Youth Authorization for these vaccines, it's dependent on the fact 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:31.040 that there is no effective treatment for the disease. Because 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:32.880 if you have an effect to treatment for the disease, 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.440 if you played by the rules, the eu AS could 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:40.040 would have to be rescinded for the vaccines. Right, So 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.920 there's there's that that's a very clear and almost legal 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:47.000 incentive to ensure that iver mectant is not recognized. So 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.560 that would be one. The second is the list of 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:54.559 financial interests that would be really kind of smashed if 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:58.000 iver mettan was widely used and adopted is a really 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:02.960 long list, right, so number one, um number one is 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:06.320 just something like remdesse of her. I mean, we're seeing 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.679 health industries around the world that are using this in 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:14.040 early testing treat programs like well over seventy of people 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:19.240 are avoiding hospital and so you would literally decrease hospitalizations 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.080 on the order and that's the minimum of what would 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:26.880 be capable of and so the appetite remdesse of her 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:30.240 would dry up. There are competing oral anti virals that 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:35.240 are in the pipeline from Mark and Fiser, and they 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.400 want to bring those to market, and that would be 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.200 a huge bonanza for them in a pandemic to bring 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.640 an oral anti viral for early treatment. If iver Magnan 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.320 is in that market, I mean, what happens to that 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:50.400 that they have no market for that? And so again 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.960 I'm just stating it's I've had a front row seat 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:56.160 to this. I've seen the attacks. I've seen the distortions, 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:01.760 the misrepresentations, the the false the false statements that are 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.920 coming out of those agencies. It's it's it's just been. 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.760 It's been a horror show, to be honest, and I've 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:10.000 had an education of a lifetime. I'll never be the 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:14.240 same again. And I just my only hopes is that 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:18.320 when this story is written and the history books are written, 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:20.360 and hopefully within a year or two when this comes out, 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.640 is that we we we stopped this system. I mean, 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:27.640 we're in a system where we literally are driven. It's 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:31.520 basically run on four profit medicines. There's no appetite and 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:35.680 there's no pathway for nonprofit medicines to make it, and 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.200 and it's killing people and that's why I hope this 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.640 system blows up. Well, I mean, I would love to 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:42.240 see that. I don't trust any of these people. And 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:44.880 you talk about the profit driven aspect of it, I mean, 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.760 you look at the COVID vaccine as Viser's top seller alone. 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.560 You know they're going to make over thirty three billion 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.560 dollars from the two doors regimen by itself, not even 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:55.840 including the additional amount of money they're going to make 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:58.720 from boosters. And then you know how many boosters they 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.480 actually end up we're seeing people to get. So that's 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.520 so much money involved here. So what's interesting is that 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:11.120 other countries have used like India ends Yeah, talk about India. Yeah, So, Lisa, 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:15.640 you just mentioned right, this this endless, this endless horizon 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:19.560 of these just astronomical profits that standing to be gained 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:26.920 from from a market of of just endless vaccines and boosters. Right. Meanwhile, right, 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:30.840 one of the most incredible stories, and I think one 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.760 of the most major public health achievements in history, was 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:38.200 just realized in the state of Utar Pradeshian India. Right. 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.400 So it's a state in northern India has a population 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:45.720 of two hundred and forty one million people, which is 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:48.680 basically like a country two thirds of size the United States. 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:50.240 I think it would be like the seventh or eighth 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:54.000 largest country if it was a country. And that state 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:59.880 is unique because they adopted iver macton. They first started 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.600 a relaxing healthcare workers with hydroxy cork in a year ago. 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.040 Then they did a study where they started giving healthcare 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:10.080 workers I mean, and they noticed that almost none of 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.560 the healthcare workers were getting sick. And so that state 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.240 then put it into a policy throughout the state and 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:19.560 they not only started doing prevention of healthcare of all 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.920 healthcare workers, but they started using it in early treatment, 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.560 and they started using in prevention of household contacts. And 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.879 what they did is it's such an incredible story of 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.840 what they did. But they had also a massive public 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:37.360 health contact tracing. They had seventy thousand healthcare workers all 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:40.600 on ivermectin and they went to all of the household 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:44.320 so they did contact tracing and surveillance every household. Every 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:47.240 positive test, they visited the house, they gave ivermectin and 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:50.399 treatment to the person who's sick. They gave it to 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:56.760 um the house the household contacts and using that strategy, 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.640 they did incredibly well in the fall, and they did. 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.479 They had some of the best numbers in the world 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:07.960 until April May, when that huge crisis overwhelmed India. And 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.080 what happened in Utar Pradesh is they had about three 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:14.120 million migrant workers who worked in cities around India who 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:18.000 all fled the impending lockdowns um and they fled back 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.879 to Uttar Pradesh. So there was this huge like surge 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:24.560 of cases um. But what Utarparadesh did was it's just 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:26.720 so smart, like what they did should be the playbook 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:28.640 for the world. But they went to all the train 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.639 stations and bus stations and airports and they tested, they treated, 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:36.679 they followed, and their cliff like drop was just impressive. 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.760 So that this huge meteoric rise and then a sudden 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:43.199 drop because they knew how to extinguish this surge. Okay, 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.720 let's talk about what they achieved. Since then, they continued 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:50.600 on with that policy and with their program. And in 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:52.920 the last two weeks, we've been waiting for this. I've 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:55.199 been waiting for granular data because we can see the 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.960 epidemiologic data. But in the last two weeks, finally the 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:02.800 health officials Butar Pradesh are now coming out. They're sharing 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:06.119 really granular data and they're doing interviews and basically what 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:11.760 happened in that state is they've effectively eradicated COVID. So 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:16.160 in the last week, there was an article last week 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.960 that showed the prior week, of the two hundred and 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:22.719 twenty six thousand tests that were done in the previous 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:28.119 actually twenty four hours, only eleven were positive, which is 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:30.600 like a positive rate of like point oh four which 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:34.480 is indescribable and effectively zero. And then in the prior 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:37.240 two weeks they had done two and a half million 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:41.679 tests and only two hundred one were positive, which is 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:46.439 like a point oh seven percent, effectively zero. And they 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.680 have like out of seven five districts in that state, 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:52.280 of two or forty one million people, I think sixty 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:56.119 five of them have no active cases of COVID. And 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.240 so so when you talk about that endless mill of 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.800 Monday to be made from vaccines, you're talking about a 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:04.160 huge portion of the globe, which is two forty one 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.840 million people who have eradicated COVID. And you know what 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:14.200 their vaccination rate is, Lisa five fully vaccinated. Such a racket, 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:17.119 So they did not do it with the vaccines. And 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.360 now can you understand why there's so much opposition. Let's 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:22.680 take a quick commercial break and then back with Dr 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:30.399 Corey on the other side. So you've compared what's happening 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.440 today with Iver Macton to Dr Fauci and the and 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:36.280 I age not recognizing the efficacy of backdroom. I think 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:39.159 I'm pronouncing it right for aids in the nies. What 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:41.280 are the parallels there for the folks at home who 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:45.119 are sort of unaware of that. So the parallel, the 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:50.919 closest parallel is during the HIV epidemic. You know smart 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:53.840 doctors I call him frontline doctors who are actually seeing 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:56.879 HIV and treating them. You know that they started to 0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:59.200 see that many of the young and mostly young men 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:01.560 in the beginning, right, were dying of this pneumonia, right, 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:05.480 which everyone knows is pc pneumonia, which is actually a fungus. 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:09.840 And they knew, I mean, it's this is like, I mean, 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:13.919 it's just so straightforward. But like those doctors knew that 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:17.320 there was a lot of literature that when Pete, when 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.919 pc P pneumonia occurred in leukemia patients who are severely 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:26.680 admit suppressed, it was really successfully treated with bactroom, right, 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:31.520 and so it wasn't a stretch to use bathroom in 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:34.400 these young men dying of AIDS and those that were 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:38.439 using bathroom saw that it worked, and so they really 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:41.159 they went to the NIH and they were saying, please 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:45.280 provide guidance, like you should prove or recommend backtroom for 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:49.439 the treatment of HIV and PC pneumonia. And what did 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:54.800 they do, Lisa. They did not do that. They refused 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:58.760 to provide guidance or recommendations on a repurpose drug for 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:01.879 the treatment of this deadly pneumonia that was killing uh, 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:05.600 you know young gay or HIV in factors they weren't 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:07.920 all gay, right that women start to get HIV very 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:10.679 soon after that, and so you know, there's thousands of 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:14.080 people who died because of lack of guidance around using 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:17.720 this cheap and repurpose drug BACKTROM. And the thoughts were 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:20.439 that they were testing some other for profit drugs and 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:23.080 they were looking for new HIV anti virals, and at 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:26.400 one point some ludicrous public health fish actually said, oh, 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:29.560 now that we have a zy t you won't need 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:32.000 backtroom for for p JP because they thought they had 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:34.160 a cure for it. I mean, the whole thing is crazy. 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:37.520 But the point is, frontline docks knew what was working. 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:40.080 They didn't need a big randomized control trial. They knew 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:44.120 something was effective. Um, they knew the mechanisms, and yet 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:47.280 you didn't get the agencies listening to them and following 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:50.919 their guidance. Iver Mecton is the same frontline docks have 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:54.280 long known in this pandemic, from as early as last year, 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:57.160 um in March and April. Those who started using it, 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:01.360