WEBVTT - A Family Torn 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:06.840 Much of today's testimony was about the rocky relationship between 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:10.119 Hannah Roden and Jake Wagner. The two had dated and 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:14.600 they also had a daughter together. Okay, miss Manly, can 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:19.400 you tell us who she was afraid of? The Wagner family. 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:24.880 You know this was an abusive relationship between hannahme and Jake. 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:28.840 She talked about Jake chasing her down in a vehicle 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:33.640 one time. Even though George Wagner is the one on 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:37.400 trial here, all of this testimony about Jake is relevant 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:41.120 because prosecutors say a custody battle over is the reason 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:43.960 four members of the Wagner family murdered eight members of 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:48.120 the Roden family. One of the defense lawyers told The Jersey, 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:52.279 every time you hear the Wagner's, keep in mind that 0:00:52.360 --> 0:01:01.800 George Wagner is the only one on trial here. This 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:06.600 is the piked In massacre. Returned to Pike County Season four, 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:12.800 Episode eight, A Family Torn. M Courtney Armstrong, a television 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:16.480 producer at Katie Studios, with Stephanie Lydecker and Jeff Shane 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:19.679 in the middle of George Wagner the fourth's trial, a 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:23.240 typical Ohio fall has settled on piked In the wind 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:26.000 is picked up and temperatures are dropping into the thirties. 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.280 But unlike the vibrant autumn leaves springing up all around 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:32.600 the Pike County Courthouse in Waverley, Ohio, the mood in 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:36.600 the courtroom is dark. In the biggest murder investigation in 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:40.840 Ohio's history, Jake Wagner's older brother, George the Fourth, stares 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:44.920 down eight counts of aggravated murder with death penalty specifications. 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:49.640 It's important to note that George Wagner the Fourth, currently 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:52.800 on trial, has pleaded not guilty and has maintained he 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:57.560 did not kill anyone. His father, Billy Wagner, whose trial 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:01.080 is upcoming, has also pleaded not guilty to all charges. 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:05.200 This episode contains frequent mentions of the names of the 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:08.680 children impacted by this crime. We will continue to avoid 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:13.560 exposing their identities. Here's Judge Randy Deering. Now there's a 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:19.200 state ready to proceeded to stop the defense, ready, yea, alright? 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:22.600 The state may call him on the witness. Of course, 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:27.079 this entire trial has been gut wrenching, but today's testimony 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:31.040 was also deeply emotional, as Prosecutor Angie Kineppa called friends 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:36.840 and family of the Rodents to the stand. These relatives 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.160 and friends were forced to relive the day the Rodents 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:42.200 had been murdered, where they were, when they found out 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:45.400 whom they were with, and how they handled the harrowing news. 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:53.200 You're honor the state, April meaning the first witness was 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.600 April Manly, the wife of James Manly, Dana Roden's brother. 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:01.640 April was Hanname's aunt and extremely close to her. She 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.440 has long blonde hair and wears a rose colored Venex sweater. 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:08.440 On the stand, intermittently, April wipes tears from her eyes. 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:11.280 She lives less than a mile to the east of 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:14.680 Dina Roden's home. On the morning of the murders, April 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.520 said she rode in the ambulance to Adams County Regional 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:22.040 Medical Center with Hanname's newborn baby, her child with Charlie Gillie. 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:26.720 The four day old was unharmed. Fighting back tears, April 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.119 said her husband, James knew something was wrong when outside 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.600 the road and home he heard Hanname's infant crying NonStop. 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.720 They knew Hanname would not let her baby cry like that. 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:43.120 So your husband comes back and tells you that that 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.960 he believes Dina is dead. What do you do? As 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:51.160 result of that? I went with you Dada's. He was 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.440 an emotional wrete. I didn't want him to be only 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:04.520 did he tell you anything about at that time? James shoes, Yeah, 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:10.320 they'd hurt. An went to walk back Characa. He knew 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:16.799 what kinda mother Hannah wasn't she wouldn't be looking currently, okay, 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:22.480 So he was concerned because he felt Hannah would have 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:28.680 been tending to the baby. Yes. Then at the hospital, 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:32.000 April had what she described as an unsettling encounter with Jake. 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:36.960 According to April, Jake seemed apathetic about Hannah may Rodin's death. 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:41.520 He seemed more concerned with taking custody of her newborn child, 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:44.880 who we would come to learn was not even his. 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:52.039 And while you were there, did anybody else show up 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:54.880 to the hospital? I don't recall who all, but I 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.479 knew there was a couple of my nieces and nephews there, 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:01.480 and a cousin of mine. And eventually at the end 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:06.320 Jake showed up, Jake Wagner. Okay. And where were you 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:11.120 when Jake Wagner showed up? I was outside, okay? And 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:15.920 can you tell us how that interaction went, he was motionless. 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:20.560 That makes sense to that cries, and I like, he 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:25.839 wasn't worried about nothing, wasn't someone that bought. I just 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.800 lost someone that claimed to love. So he was not 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:32.800 showing emotion in that time. Okay? Why was he there? 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.360 He came to check him to see if he could 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:41.440 take her. Did you inform him that he could not 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:47.960 take her? Yes? Okay? And did he hug you at 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:57.760 all while he was there. April then commented that she 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:00.440 wondered whether Jake had Hannah's blood on him when he 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:05.159 was embracing her. Jake was extremely controlling over Hannah, ma Rodin, 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:09.440 April said, and had negatively shaped her body image. It 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:13.599 was very controlling over Hannah, like we wasn't allowed to 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:17.600 check her treat and even nois Hannah's week. Hannah was 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.800 always a chunky little monkey, and she had got down 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:23.440 so tiny because he would tell her that she was 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:27.640 fat until her not to eat. Did Hannah ever tell 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:32.080 you that she was scared? Yes, of Jake? Yes? And 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:36.159 did she indicate that she was afraid of Jake and 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:43.200 his family? Yes? Okay? And can you tell us what 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:54.640 she was afraid of? The defense objects to this line 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:59.359 of questioning, and Judge Daring sustains the objection. According to April, 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:03.200 Jake all So physically threatened Hannah on multiple occasions, even 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:07.760 engaging her in a dangerous high speed chase. And can 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.720 you tell us in indicated Jake Wagner was the one 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:12.840 who would be around the most because of Hannah, and 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.880 then he would sometimes be out at that residence that 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:18.880 Frankie and Hazel were found in, when Dana and Hannah 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.960 and little Chris lived there. Can you tell us what 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:27.080 your interactions would have been with him? We didn't interact. 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:31.240 I didn't like him. He didn't like me, Okay. Why 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.440 not because he thought I was nosy and needed to 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:39.120 just stay in my place because I would defend Hannah. Okay. 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:41.920 And how do you know that he felt that way? 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.040 Because I was at my house one evening and Ned 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:48.960 got into it and Hannah'd left. She had just got 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:52.480 a driver's license, she was a new driver, and she 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:54.680 called me. He'd left after her, and she called me 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.040 and said he was chasing her around at high speeds, 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.840 and I told her to try to get away somewhere. 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:03.760 She finally got away from and hid behind a church 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:08.000 on Union Hill, and I caught her mom, and her 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:09.880 mom caught her dad, and then I caught Hannah back 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:14.920 and stayed with her. That's all. Chris Scott Tor. April 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:19.080 commented that it wasn't only Jake she found scary. Hannah 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.280 was also fearful of Billy Wagner, who usually walked around 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:26.200 with a gun holster to his side. April also described 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:29.720 the disturbing experience of seeing the Wagners at the Rhoden's funerals. 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:34.320 Did you see Billy Wagner there at the funeral? Yes? 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.000 Did you observe any injuries on him at that time? 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.800 He had bruisie only his face. And what about Jake 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:45.760 Wagner did you see him at the funerals? Yes? Okay. 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:49.240 Emotional and raw, April Manley was an effective witness for 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:54.240 Angie Caneppa's team, offering deeper insight into Jake's depravity. Here's 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:58.000 Law and Crime Network reporter Anngeonette Levy. She's been following 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:02.400 the case for years. I think April Manly provided some 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:08.559 really good testimony for the prosecution. She talked about how 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:12.559 you know this was an abusive relationship between Hannah May 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:17.640 and Jake. She talked about how the Wagner's Billy, George, 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:22.040 and Jake attended the funerals of the road and family members. 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:25.240 I mean, that's pretty stunning to think that somebody who 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:29.560 was part of killing your family members showed up at 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.720 the funerals with their family members who were also accused. Now, 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:36.160 Billy and George maintained they didn't do this. They've pleaded 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:39.160 not guilty, But just the fact that we actually have 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:43.400 photographs and video of Jake and George and Billy at 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:47.440 the funerals is pretty stunning. It's very eerie. But April 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:52.160 manly provided some testimony that was very damaging to Jake Wagner. 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.000 It should be pointed out that none of April's testimony 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.120 incriminates George the fourth or puts him at the crime scene, 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.520 nor does it indicate that George Wagner had any motive 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:10.240 to carry out his brother's grudge against Hannah may Rowden. 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.400 But according to Ohio based criminal defense attorney and legal 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.880 analyst Mike Allen, Kneppa is trying to weave a larger 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.800 narrative about the Wagoners as a family unit that did 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:27.760 everything together, including murder. One of the defense lawyers, in 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:32.480 his opening statement, was very very short, told the juror said, 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:36.800 every time you hear the wagoners, you know, keep in 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:40.560 mind that George Wagner is the only one on trial here, 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:43.480 and you know, we don't know what went on in 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:47.280 chambers when the judge talks to the prosecutor and defense counsel. 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:51.640 I mean, perhaps the judge told the prosecutor, hey, you know, 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.600 you're getting a little bit of field on some of 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:55.960 these witnesses. You're going to have to narrow it down. 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:59.600 That happens all the time. But it sure seems though 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:03.240 he had pretty much free reign to tell the tale 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:07.600 of the Wagner family, even if what the witnesses were 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:12.040 saying was not particularly relevant to George. A lot of 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:16.439 testimony came in that was not relevant to George. As 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.640 a matter of fact, I'd go as far as to 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:22.080 say most of it. But again, she's telling the story. 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:25.000 The judge was letting her do it. I would have 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.320 done the same thing if I was prosecuting the case. 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:32.120 Judges will permit prosecutors to do things like this, telling 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.480 the tale and setting it up like that, but at 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.640 some point if it gets to be too much, the 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:42.120 judge can step in. But he didn't feel it appropriate 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.800 to do that. And you know, again, I think it 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:48.559 was the prosecutor's desire to just weave the tale about 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:53.839 how awful this family was. Another part of the prosecution 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:59.880 strategy is to maintain constant sympathy for the victims. Obviously, 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.000 the prosecutor wants to create as much sympathy for the 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:06.440 victims that she can, and from what I understand, she 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.880 has been able to do that. You know, the roads 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:13.559 are obviously their family members were brutally murdered and they 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.000 want to be there. And it helps the state too 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.320 with the jury because again I think there was a 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:24.240 motion shown at the appropriate time, so it helps the state. 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:29.240 Were the Wagners, including George, the tight knit clan they 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.240 appeared to be, did they always take action as a 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.880 unit following what's known in the Appalachian fringe as the 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:40.080 Code of the Hills. So far, the prosecution may have 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:45.439 fallen short of proving that here again internet Jake's daughter. 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.720 Custody of his daughter is really what the prosecution says 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.439 was the motive in this case. And they say it's 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.319 a conspiracy and that four people were involved in the conspiracy. 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:58.080 So a lot of the testimony seems to point more 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:02.200 to Jake, and we hear way more about Jake and 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:07.800 Angela Wagner than we do about George. So George seems 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:11.000 like in some ways to not be that much of 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:14.120 a fixture or a feature in his own murder trial. 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:16.160 At a lot of points when we're listening to some 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:19.760 of this testimony, it seems strange. It's not the first 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.520 time I've covered a trial where it seems like you 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:26.000 don't hear that much about the defendant. When I've seen 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.600 this happen in the past, it's always been a case 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:32.320 that involved more than one defendant, right, I mean, Jake 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:36.559 Wagner is really the main player in this case. And 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.959 Jake Wagner, of course pleaded guilty and admitted it said 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.400 that this is why the family carried out these crimes. 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:47.440 But if you're George Wagner's defense attorneys, I would think 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.000 you'd be thinking, you know what, my guy's name hasn't 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:53.160 been mentioned very often up to this point, so I'd 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:55.480 be trying to exploit that as much as I could. 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.880 Because it's all been about Jake and Hannah may or 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:03.680 about Angela and Hanname, or Angela and Jake and the child. 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:09.320 It hasn't really been that much about George. We're going 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.520 to take a break. We'll be back in a moment. 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:23.600 April manly Son Cody also takes the stand. He's got 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:26.440 short blonde hair and glasses and wears a blue checkered 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:32.720 button down shirt. He is very composed. Please tell me 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:37.040 if I am correct about this. Your testimony is that 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:43.920 you saw George Wagner a few times at Chris's fireworks correct, yes, okay, 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:48.920 And that you knew him enough to recognize him correct, correct, okay. 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:51.320 And in addition to that, you saw him at the funeral, 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:56.560 correct okay. Do you recognize him in the courtroom here today? Yes? 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:59.560 And can you please tell us where he is sitting 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.600 and what he was wearing over there and at vest 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:07.280 and one shirt and black tie. Cody and Frankie road 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.120 and were best friends. Frankie lived down the road from 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:13.080 Cody and rode with him every day to work. On 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.720 the morning of April twenty second, Frankie didn't show up 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.960 at Cody's house like he usually did, so Cody drove 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:20.880 over to the roadens to see what was going on. 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:24.360 Cody described arriving at the scene of the murders and 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.160 seeing his aunt Bobby Joe Manley's car along with the 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:31.000 police officer's car. He then walked into the scene of 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:37.760 the crime. I just put alongside the road and walked 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:42.520 in a Frankies. Okay, and can you tell us where 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.080 did you see the cop car? And where was Bobby 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:49.760 Joe's car? Robber's car was in the driveway slash yard 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.920 and the cop car was like driveway slash word. Okay, 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:58.560 so kind of half half in the driveway and half 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.280 in the road, right, okay. And you walked into Frankie's 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:04.880 house okay? And what happened? I want tweets bedroom and 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:10.120 like fruitis why did you freeze? Because I saw things 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:16.000 I didn't want to see. What he saw was Frankie 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:18.520 Rodin and Hannah Hazel lying in a pool of blood. 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:24.120 Cody testified that Chris Senior's dog, Chance probably knew the 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.080 killers because they would have likely attacked them if he didn't. 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:33.560 Something special about Chance, something different? What was that? What 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:38.280 do you mean different? Well? Was Chance a gentle dog 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.920 or not? To me? Yes, he was gentle to you. 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.400 And Chance knew you because you had been to that 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:48.200 property often, right right, I was chanced with people. He 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:54.920 didn't know they wonder went in the house. Here's Anteonette's 0:16:54.960 --> 0:17:00.560 overview of Cody's testimony. Cody Manly is Hannah Maize cousin 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:04.920 and the son of James and April Manly, and he 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:09.600 was close with Frankie Roden. He ended up actually going 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:15.000 down to Frankie's house and saw Bobby Joe in the driveway, 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:19.080 and he walked into the house to see what was 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:22.840 going on, and he actually found Frankie and Hannah Hazel 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:30.280 dead in the bed. A deputy came in and told him, look, 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.320 you've got to get out of here. He said he 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:36.760 was frozen, he just couldn't move. And he testified about 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:40.320 Hannah May being fearful of the Wagoners. He didn't say 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:44.639 necessarily that Hannah May was fearful of George, but that 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:48.560 she did fear the Wagoners. She wasn't living there with 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.399 the Wagoners anymore. That's why she broke it off with Jake. 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.159 He had made some threats to her in the past 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.640 as well, and kept her in her bedroom for periods 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.119 of time and wouldn't let her leave the house. Oh, 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:04.560 listening to Cody Manly talk about how Hannah was fearful 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:11.280 of the Wagner's was pretty telling. First of all, can 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:16.080 you tell us your name? Kendra Rodin Okay? And ken direct? 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:19.960 Can you tell us how would you are twenty five? Okay? 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:24.119 And where do you work? I currently work as a 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:30.160 nurse at Brookdale. It's a nursing facility for dement residence. Okay? 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:35.240 And where is that located? And Inglewood, Ohio. Kendra Roden, 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:39.399 Kenneth's daughter, also gave heart wrenching testimony. She wore a 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.280 white shirt with lace accents and her long blonde hair 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:45.720 and a neat braid. She was extremely close to hannahme 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:50.040 and witnessed many of Jake's abuses. And you mentioned Hannah. 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.680 Who are you talking about when you say Hannah? Hannah Roden? 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:58.280 She was Chris's daughter. She was my cousin, my best friend. 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.320 We were like sisters. And can you tell us for 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:03.840 how long of your life that was? Was that? Did 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.680 that start in early childhood or did that start later 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:09.840 in life? Early childhood? We were only a month apart, 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:15.200 so we had been together for Kendra echoed April Manley's 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.640 claim that Jake was controlling and cruel. Did you continue 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:25.160 to hang out with Jake and Hannah on various occasions. Yes, okay. 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:30.679 Was there ever a time that you expressed a disliking 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.480 of Jake? Yes? I told Hannah I did not like 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:38.080 Jake okay? And can you tell us what led you 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:42.160 to say? That? He would constantly try to be controlling? 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.280 He would follow her anywhere we went. She was never 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:47.600 allowed to be alone. So give us some examples of that. 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:49.600 An example would be when we went to the Rare 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:53.320 and White Tall Dear Festival, Hannah would need to go 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:54.840 to the bathroom, or we would say that we were 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:56.760 going to go to the bathroom, and Jake had attack along, 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.600 and then he would wait outside until we were done. 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:04.160 And did anything happen at the I believe you said, 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:08.280 the Sayota County Fair, Yes, ma'am okay. At the Sida 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:12.159 County Fair, Jake had made a demeaning remark to Hannah 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.760 Roudin and grabbed her by the arm, in which I 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:16.600 turned and kicked him in the shin because I didn't 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:18.040 like it, And then Hannah got in between the both 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:21.080 of us. She had come to me, she had arranged 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:24.720 a little day for us to be together, and we 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.639 had went to a man made pond that my family 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:30.240 had built out on left Work Road. We were swimming 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.399 and fishing in the pond there when she stopped and 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.359 she told me that she was pregnant. I thought she 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:39.560 was joking. I was hoping she was joking, but she 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:41.720 told me she was really pregnant with his child and 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:45.840 that everything was going to be okay. Did you support 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:48.520 her through that process as much as I could? I 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:50.720 wasn't allowed to be around. And when you say you 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:57.280 weren't allowed by who? By Jake Wagner. At one point 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:01.560 during her separation, Hannah shared with kendradely disturbing voice recordings 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:04.600 of Jake. It was testimony that ran a gauntlet of 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:09.520 objections from the defense. At some point, did Hannah end 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:13.960 up leaving Jake? Yes, ma'am, And what do you remember 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:18.320 from that? The night that she had left Jake, she 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:22.240 came to my mother's residency where I was staying at 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:27.600 seventy dollars Lane, and she was a little distraught. We 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:30.400 light on my bed and she had played audio recordings 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:33.840 from Jake Wagner phone calls that they had had or 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:36.399 from when they were in person. There are multiple different 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:42.439 ones about incidents that had occurred between Jake and her. 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:50.160 Okay and do you know what occurred between them? Yes, ma'am. 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:53.200 She not only told me, but had played audio recordings 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:56.919 of Jake admitting to hitting her, choking her, pushing her 0:21:56.920 --> 0:22:00.600 against a wall. When he was admitting to that stuff, 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:04.240 what was the tenor of those in the tone of 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:09.720 those recordings, was he saying other things to her, for instance? 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:13.480 And was this before or after Hannah had left Jake? 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:16.880 It was after she had left Jake. Were we able 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:20.520 to listen to this conversation. Hannah had the phone on 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:22.879 speaker phone, that way I could be witnessed anything that 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:26.320 was said. Okay, And there was an intentional act on 0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:30.000 her part, yes, ma'am, okay. And how do you know 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:32.040 that it was Jake Wagner on the other end of 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:35.960 the phone. I've met Jake before, I've talked to Jake before. 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:39.440 I know his voice. And what was that discussion that 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:42.800 you heard? The discussion was actually because Hannah had found 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:47.560 out she was pregnant with her youngest and Jake had 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:51.000 believed that was his and we were trying to point 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:53.880 out to him that she absolutely was not his and 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:58.600 that he couldn't be a part of her life. And 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:03.119 at what point do you learn my aunt Michel had 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:05.520 later got a text because some of us had service, 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:08.560 and she became frantic and screamed out that my father 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:16.159 was gotten. You were still at the church at that time, Yes, ma'am, 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:27.000 let's stop here for another break, and she could not. 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:29.439 Asked Kendra to describe the moment she learned of the 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:32.679 murders and was helped out by a quote stadie or 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:38.280 state police. Do you stay at the church? Upon learning 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:43.560 that my father had been killed as well? I walked 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:47.679 down the hill there until a family friend had actually 0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:50.600 picked me up. Her name was Melissa, and I told 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:53.080 her that I just needed to get across the highway. 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:54.720 She took me across the highway and I got out. 0:23:55.760 --> 0:23:58.600 There was a stadi there that stopped me. I just 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:00.720 I was trying to get to Anna because I just 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:05.840 wanted to be with her. I was crying and the 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:08.560 stadi I had dropped to the ground. The stadie helped 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:11.320 me get back up. At what point did you learn 0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:15.200 that something had happened? My boyfriend at the time I 0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:18.240 had woke me up around eight thirty. We had missed 0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:22.119 a phone call from a family friend, Nicole Francis, that 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:26.399 had said that my uncle Chris Senior had been shot. 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:30.439 She had heard it on a police radio. So I 0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:32.480 called her back and at that point she had told 0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:35.959 me that Chris had been shot. I tried to call Hannah. 0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:37.520 I can't get ahold of Hannah. I can't get a 0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:41.240 hold of anybody. So my brother and I, his girlfriend 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:45.359 and my ex boyfriend we drove to Union Hill, in 0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:50.679 which we were stopped just before Frankie Driveway, stopped by 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:54.679 whom the sheriffs that were there. It's the time that 0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:57.160 you got that call. Was the only information you had 0:24:57.280 --> 0:25:01.160 was that Chris Senior had been shot? Yes, ma'am. At 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:04.359 what point did you learn Differently? At some point, my 0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:08.879 brother Luke Rowden had obtained some information from one of 0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:13.840 the sheriffs that Hannah had also been shot, in which 0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:16.080 he had come and told me that she had been 0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:19.639 shot as well and she was dead. What did you do? 0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:24.520 At that point? I became very upset. I couldn't believe 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:32.160 that she had also been shot. I cried, we age. 0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:34.680 There was a few of us that had actually tried 0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:39.879 to push past the sheriffs. At this point, George, the 0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:43.240 fourth lawyer, began a flimsy cross, asking Kendra if she 0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:46.800 had any knowledge of Christinior's drug dealings. The line of 0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:51.080 questioning ran aground now referring to the information which you 0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:56.920 had provided previously to law enforcement. You had given information 0:25:56.920 --> 0:26:00.480 about an individual you know as Big Monke. Is that right? Yes? 0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:04.119 And Big Mike is someone who is from the Cincinnati 0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:08.159 area to my knowledge, okay, that's information that you had 0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:11.320 given agents though, right, that I had heard from my father. 0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:16.080 You were asked about drug dealing with your family's involvement 0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:21.200 with drug dealing, right, you are asked that question? Yes? Okay? 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:23.800 And and so I'm eventually going to ask you about 0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:28.200 Big Mike. Did you ever observe an African American mill 0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:34.240 with Chris Senior or your father? Okay? Do you have 0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:41.000 personal knowledge of Chris Senior preparing to buy a building 0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:44.520 for a pill mill? No? Do you remember providing that 0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:49.160 information to agents? I provided at based on hearsay? Okay. 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:56.520