Speaker 1: Much of today's testimony was about the rocky relationship between
Speaker 1: Hannah Roden and Jake Wagner. The two had dated and
Speaker 1: they also had a daughter together. Okay, miss Manly, can
Speaker 1: you tell us who she was afraid of? The Wagner family.
Speaker 1: You know this was an abusive relationship between hannahme and Jake.
Speaker 1: She talked about Jake chasing her down in a vehicle
Speaker 1: one time. Even though George Wagner is the one on
Speaker 1: trial here, all of this testimony about Jake is relevant
Speaker 1: because prosecutors say a custody battle over is the reason
Speaker 1: four members of the Wagner family murdered eight members of
Speaker 1: the Roden family. One of the defense lawyers told The Jersey,
Speaker 1: every time you hear the Wagner's, keep in mind that
Speaker 1: George Wagner is the only one on trial here. This
Speaker 1: is the piked In massacre. Returned to Pike County Season four,
Speaker 1: Episode eight, A Family Torn. M Courtney Armstrong, a television
Speaker 1: producer at Katie Studios, with Stephanie Lydecker and Jeff Shane
Speaker 1: in the middle of George Wagner the fourth's trial, a
Speaker 1: typical Ohio fall has settled on piked In the wind
Speaker 1: is picked up and temperatures are dropping into the thirties.
Speaker 1: But unlike the vibrant autumn leaves springing up all around
Speaker 1: the Pike County Courthouse in Waverley, Ohio, the mood in
Speaker 1: the courtroom is dark. In the biggest murder investigation in
Speaker 1: Ohio's history, Jake Wagner's older brother, George the Fourth, stares
Speaker 1: down eight counts of aggravated murder with death penalty specifications.
Speaker 1: It's important to note that George Wagner the Fourth, currently
Speaker 1: on trial, has pleaded not guilty and has maintained he
Speaker 1: did not kill anyone. His father, Billy Wagner, whose trial
Speaker 1: is upcoming, has also pleaded not guilty to all charges.
Speaker 1: This episode contains frequent mentions of the names of the
Speaker 1: children impacted by this crime. We will continue to avoid
Speaker 1: exposing their identities. Here's Judge Randy Deering. Now there's a
Speaker 1: state ready to proceeded to stop the defense, ready, yea, alright?
Speaker 1: The state may call him on the witness. Of course,
Speaker 1: this entire trial has been gut wrenching, but today's testimony
Speaker 1: was also deeply emotional, as Prosecutor Angie Kineppa called friends
Speaker 1: and family of the Rodents to the stand. These relatives
Speaker 1: and friends were forced to relive the day the Rodents
Speaker 1: had been murdered, where they were, when they found out
Speaker 1: whom they were with, and how they handled the harrowing news.
Speaker 1: You're honor the state, April meaning the first witness was
Speaker 1: April Manly, the wife of James Manly, Dana Roden's brother.
Speaker 1: April was Hanname's aunt and extremely close to her. She
Speaker 1: has long blonde hair and wears a rose colored Venex sweater.
Speaker 1: On the stand, intermittently, April wipes tears from her eyes.
Speaker 1: She lives less than a mile to the east of
Speaker 1: Dina Roden's home. On the morning of the murders, April
Speaker 1: said she rode in the ambulance to Adams County Regional
Speaker 1: Medical Center with Hanname's newborn baby, her child with Charlie Gillie.
Speaker 1: The four day old was unharmed. Fighting back tears, April
Speaker 1: said her husband, James knew something was wrong when outside
Speaker 1: the road and home he heard Hanname's infant crying NonStop.
Speaker 1: They knew Hanname would not let her baby cry like that.
Speaker 1: So your husband comes back and tells you that that
Speaker 1: he believes Dina is dead. What do you do? As
Speaker 1: result of that? I went with you Dada's. He was
Speaker 1: an emotional wrete. I didn't want him to be only
Speaker 1: did he tell you anything about at that time? James shoes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'd hurt. An went to walk back Characa. He knew
Speaker 1: what kinda mother Hannah wasn't she wouldn't be looking currently, okay,
Speaker 1: So he was concerned because he felt Hannah would have
Speaker 1: been tending to the baby. Yes. Then at the hospital,
Speaker 1: April had what she described as an unsettling encounter with Jake.
Speaker 1: According to April, Jake seemed apathetic about Hannah may Rodin's death.
Speaker 1: He seemed more concerned with taking custody of her newborn child,
Speaker 1: who we would come to learn was not even his.
Speaker 1: And while you were there, did anybody else show up
Speaker 1: to the hospital? I don't recall who all, but I
Speaker 1: knew there was a couple of my nieces and nephews there,
Speaker 1: and a cousin of mine. And eventually at the end
Speaker 1: Jake showed up, Jake Wagner. Okay. And where were you
Speaker 1: when Jake Wagner showed up? I was outside, okay? And
Speaker 1: can you tell us how that interaction went, he was motionless.
Speaker 1: That makes sense to that cries, and I like, he
Speaker 1: wasn't worried about nothing, wasn't someone that bought. I just
Speaker 1: lost someone that claimed to love. So he was not
Speaker 1: showing emotion in that time. Okay? Why was he there?
Speaker 1: He came to check him to see if he could
Speaker 1: take her. Did you inform him that he could not
Speaker 1: take her? Yes? Okay? And did he hug you at
Speaker 1: all while he was there. April then commented that she
Speaker 1: wondered whether Jake had Hannah's blood on him when he
Speaker 1: was embracing her. Jake was extremely controlling over Hannah, ma Rodin,
Speaker 1: April said, and had negatively shaped her body image. It
Speaker 1: was very controlling over Hannah, like we wasn't allowed to
Speaker 1: check her treat and even nois Hannah's week. Hannah was
Speaker 1: always a chunky little monkey, and she had got down
Speaker 1: so tiny because he would tell her that she was
Speaker 1: fat until her not to eat. Did Hannah ever tell
Speaker 1: you that she was scared? Yes, of Jake? Yes? And
Speaker 1: did she indicate that she was afraid of Jake and
Speaker 1: his family? Yes? Okay? And can you tell us what
Speaker 1: she was afraid of? The defense objects to this line
Speaker 1: of questioning, and Judge Daring sustains the objection. According to April,
Speaker 1: Jake all So physically threatened Hannah on multiple occasions, even
Speaker 1: engaging her in a dangerous high speed chase. And can
Speaker 1: you tell us in indicated Jake Wagner was the one
Speaker 1: who would be around the most because of Hannah, and
Speaker 1: then he would sometimes be out at that residence that
Speaker 1: Frankie and Hazel were found in, when Dana and Hannah
Speaker 1: and little Chris lived there. Can you tell us what
Speaker 1: your interactions would have been with him? We didn't interact.
Speaker 1: I didn't like him. He didn't like me, Okay. Why
Speaker 1: not because he thought I was nosy and needed to
Speaker 1: just stay in my place because I would defend Hannah. Okay.
Speaker 1: And how do you know that he felt that way?
Speaker 1: Because I was at my house one evening and Ned
Speaker 1: got into it and Hannah'd left. She had just got
Speaker 1: a driver's license, she was a new driver, and she
Speaker 1: called me. He'd left after her, and she called me
Speaker 1: and said he was chasing her around at high speeds,
Speaker 1: and I told her to try to get away somewhere.
Speaker 1: She finally got away from and hid behind a church
Speaker 1: on Union Hill, and I caught her mom, and her
Speaker 1: mom caught her dad, and then I caught Hannah back
Speaker 1: and stayed with her. That's all. Chris Scott Tor. April
Speaker 1: commented that it wasn't only Jake she found scary. Hannah
Speaker 1: was also fearful of Billy Wagner, who usually walked around
Speaker 1: with a gun holster to his side. April also described
Speaker 1: the disturbing experience of seeing the Wagners at the Rhoden's funerals.
Speaker 1: Did you see Billy Wagner there at the funeral? Yes?
Speaker 1: Did you observe any injuries on him at that time?
Speaker 1: He had bruisie only his face. And what about Jake
Speaker 1: Wagner did you see him at the funerals? Yes? Okay.
Speaker 1: Emotional and raw, April Manley was an effective witness for
Speaker 1: Angie Caneppa's team, offering deeper insight into Jake's depravity. Here's
Speaker 1: Law and Crime Network reporter Anngeonette Levy. She's been following
Speaker 1: the case for years. I think April Manly provided some
Speaker 1: really good testimony for the prosecution. She talked about how
Speaker 1: you know this was an abusive relationship between Hannah May
Speaker 1: and Jake. She talked about how the Wagner's Billy, George,
Speaker 1: and Jake attended the funerals of the road and family members.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty stunning to think that somebody who
Speaker 1: was part of killing your family members showed up at
Speaker 1: the funerals with their family members who were also accused. Now,
Speaker 1: Billy and George maintained they didn't do this. They've pleaded
Speaker 1: not guilty, But just the fact that we actually have
Speaker 1: photographs and video of Jake and George and Billy at
Speaker 1: the funerals is pretty stunning. It's very eerie. But April
Speaker 1: manly provided some testimony that was very damaging to Jake Wagner.
Speaker 1: It should be pointed out that none of April's testimony
Speaker 1: incriminates George the fourth or puts him at the crime scene,
Speaker 1: nor does it indicate that George Wagner had any motive
Speaker 1: to carry out his brother's grudge against Hannah may Rowden.
Speaker 1: But according to Ohio based criminal defense attorney and legal
Speaker 1: analyst Mike Allen, Kneppa is trying to weave a larger
Speaker 1: narrative about the Wagoners as a family unit that did
Speaker 1: everything together, including murder. One of the defense lawyers, in
Speaker 1: his opening statement, was very very short, told the juror said,
Speaker 1: every time you hear the wagoners, you know, keep in
Speaker 1: mind that George Wagner is the only one on trial here,
Speaker 1: and you know, we don't know what went on in
Speaker 1: chambers when the judge talks to the prosecutor and defense counsel.
Speaker 1: I mean, perhaps the judge told the prosecutor, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: you're getting a little bit of field on some of
Speaker 1: these witnesses. You're going to have to narrow it down.
Speaker 1: That happens all the time. But it sure seems though
Speaker 1: he had pretty much free reign to tell the tale
Speaker 1: of the Wagner family, even if what the witnesses were
Speaker 1: saying was not particularly relevant to George. A lot of
Speaker 1: testimony came in that was not relevant to George. As
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I'd go as far as to
Speaker 1: say most of it. But again, she's telling the story.
Speaker 1: The judge was letting her do it. I would have
Speaker 1: done the same thing if I was prosecuting the case.
Speaker 1: Judges will permit prosecutors to do things like this, telling
Speaker 1: the tale and setting it up like that, but at
Speaker 1: some point if it gets to be too much, the
Speaker 1: judge can step in. But he didn't feel it appropriate
Speaker 1: to do that. And you know, again, I think it
Speaker 1: was the prosecutor's desire to just weave the tale about
Speaker 1: how awful this family was. Another part of the prosecution
Speaker 1: strategy is to maintain constant sympathy for the victims. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the prosecutor wants to create as much sympathy for the
Speaker 1: victims that she can, and from what I understand, she
Speaker 1: has been able to do that. You know, the roads
Speaker 1: are obviously their family members were brutally murdered and they
Speaker 1: want to be there. And it helps the state too
Speaker 1: with the jury because again I think there was a
Speaker 1: motion shown at the appropriate time, so it helps the state.
Speaker 1: Were the Wagners, including George, the tight knit clan they
Speaker 1: appeared to be, did they always take action as a
Speaker 1: unit following what's known in the Appalachian fringe as the
Speaker 1: Code of the Hills. So far, the prosecution may have
Speaker 1: fallen short of proving that here again internet Jake's daughter.
Speaker 1: Custody of his daughter is really what the prosecution says
Speaker 1: was the motive in this case. And they say it's
Speaker 1: a conspiracy and that four people were involved in the conspiracy.
Speaker 1: So a lot of the testimony seems to point more
Speaker 1: to Jake, and we hear way more about Jake and
Speaker 1: Angela Wagner than we do about George. So George seems
Speaker 1: like in some ways to not be that much of
Speaker 1: a fixture or a feature in his own murder trial.
Speaker 1: At a lot of points when we're listening to some
Speaker 1: of this testimony, it seems strange. It's not the first
Speaker 1: time I've covered a trial where it seems like you
Speaker 1: don't hear that much about the defendant. When I've seen
Speaker 1: this happen in the past, it's always been a case
Speaker 1: that involved more than one defendant, right, I mean, Jake
Speaker 1: Wagner is really the main player in this case. And
Speaker 1: Jake Wagner, of course pleaded guilty and admitted it said
Speaker 1: that this is why the family carried out these crimes.
Speaker 1: But if you're George Wagner's defense attorneys, I would think
Speaker 1: you'd be thinking, you know what, my guy's name hasn't
Speaker 1: been mentioned very often up to this point, so I'd
Speaker 1: be trying to exploit that as much as I could.
Speaker 1: Because it's all been about Jake and Hannah may or
Speaker 1: about Angela and Hanname, or Angela and Jake and the child.
Speaker 1: It hasn't really been that much about George. We're going
Speaker 1: to take a break. We'll be back in a moment.
Speaker 1: April manly Son Cody also takes the stand. He's got
Speaker 1: short blonde hair and glasses and wears a blue checkered
Speaker 1: button down shirt. He is very composed. Please tell me
Speaker 1: if I am correct about this. Your testimony is that
Speaker 1: you saw George Wagner a few times at Chris's fireworks correct, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: And that you knew him enough to recognize him correct, correct, okay.
Speaker 1: And in addition to that, you saw him at the funeral,
Speaker 1: correct okay. Do you recognize him in the courtroom here today? Yes?
Speaker 1: And can you please tell us where he is sitting
Speaker 1: and what he was wearing over there and at vest
Speaker 1: and one shirt and black tie. Cody and Frankie road
Speaker 1: and were best friends. Frankie lived down the road from
Speaker 1: Cody and rode with him every day to work. On
Speaker 1: the morning of April twenty second, Frankie didn't show up
Speaker 1: at Cody's house like he usually did, so Cody drove
Speaker 1: over to the roadens to see what was going on.
Speaker 1: Cody described arriving at the scene of the murders and
Speaker 1: seeing his aunt Bobby Joe Manley's car along with the
Speaker 1: police officer's car. He then walked into the scene of
Speaker 1: the crime. I just put alongside the road and walked
Speaker 1: in a Frankies. Okay, and can you tell us where
Speaker 1: did you see the cop car? And where was Bobby
Speaker 1: Joe's car? Robber's car was in the driveway slash yard
Speaker 1: and the cop car was like driveway slash word. Okay,
Speaker 1: so kind of half half in the driveway and half
Speaker 1: in the road, right, okay. And you walked into Frankie's
Speaker 1: house okay? And what happened? I want tweets bedroom and
Speaker 1: like fruitis why did you freeze? Because I saw things
Speaker 1: I didn't want to see. What he saw was Frankie
Speaker 1: Rodin and Hannah Hazel lying in a pool of blood.
Speaker 1: Cody testified that Chris Senior's dog, Chance probably knew the
Speaker 1: killers because they would have likely attacked them if he didn't.
Speaker 1: Something special about Chance, something different? What was that? What
Speaker 1: do you mean different? Well? Was Chance a gentle dog
Speaker 1: or not? To me? Yes, he was gentle to you.
Speaker 1: And Chance knew you because you had been to that
Speaker 1: property often, right right, I was chanced with people. He
Speaker 1: didn't know they wonder went in the house. Here's Anteonette's
Speaker 1: overview of Cody's testimony. Cody Manly is Hannah Maize cousin
Speaker 1: and the son of James and April Manly, and he
Speaker 1: was close with Frankie Roden. He ended up actually going
Speaker 1: down to Frankie's house and saw Bobby Joe in the driveway,
Speaker 1: and he walked into the house to see what was
Speaker 1: going on, and he actually found Frankie and Hannah Hazel
Speaker 1: dead in the bed. A deputy came in and told him, look,
Speaker 1: you've got to get out of here. He said he
Speaker 1: was frozen, he just couldn't move. And he testified about
Speaker 1: Hannah May being fearful of the Wagoners. He didn't say
Speaker 1: necessarily that Hannah May was fearful of George, but that
Speaker 1: she did fear the Wagoners. She wasn't living there with
Speaker 1: the Wagoners anymore. That's why she broke it off with Jake.
Speaker 1: He had made some threats to her in the past
Speaker 1: as well, and kept her in her bedroom for periods
Speaker 1: of time and wouldn't let her leave the house. Oh,
Speaker 1: listening to Cody Manly talk about how Hannah was fearful
Speaker 1: of the Wagner's was pretty telling. First of all, can
Speaker 1: you tell us your name? Kendra Rodin Okay? And ken direct?
Speaker 1: Can you tell us how would you are twenty five? Okay?
Speaker 1: And where do you work? I currently work as a
Speaker 1: nurse at Brookdale. It's a nursing facility for dement residence. Okay?
Speaker 1: And where is that located? And Inglewood, Ohio. Kendra Roden,
Speaker 1: Kenneth's daughter, also gave heart wrenching testimony. She wore a
Speaker 1: white shirt with lace accents and her long blonde hair
Speaker 1: and a neat braid. She was extremely close to hannahme
Speaker 1: and witnessed many of Jake's abuses. And you mentioned Hannah.
Speaker 1: Who are you talking about when you say Hannah? Hannah Roden?
Speaker 1: She was Chris's daughter. She was my cousin, my best friend.
Speaker 1: We were like sisters. And can you tell us for
Speaker 1: how long of your life that was? Was that? Did
Speaker 1: that start in early childhood or did that start later
Speaker 1: in life? Early childhood? We were only a month apart,
Speaker 1: so we had been together for Kendra echoed April Manley's
Speaker 1: claim that Jake was controlling and cruel. Did you continue
Speaker 1: to hang out with Jake and Hannah on various occasions. Yes, okay.
Speaker 1: Was there ever a time that you expressed a disliking
Speaker 1: of Jake? Yes? I told Hannah I did not like
Speaker 1: Jake okay? And can you tell us what led you
Speaker 1: to say? That? He would constantly try to be controlling?
Speaker 1: He would follow her anywhere we went. She was never
Speaker 1: allowed to be alone. So give us some examples of that.
Speaker 1: An example would be when we went to the Rare
Speaker 1: and White Tall Dear Festival, Hannah would need to go
Speaker 1: to the bathroom, or we would say that we were
Speaker 1: going to go to the bathroom, and Jake had attack along,
Speaker 1: and then he would wait outside until we were done.
Speaker 1: And did anything happen at the I believe you said,
Speaker 1: the Sayota County Fair, Yes, ma'am okay. At the Sida
Speaker 1: County Fair, Jake had made a demeaning remark to Hannah
Speaker 1: Roudin and grabbed her by the arm, in which I
Speaker 1: turned and kicked him in the shin because I didn't
Speaker 1: like it, And then Hannah got in between the both
Speaker 1: of us. She had come to me, she had arranged
Speaker 1: a little day for us to be together, and we
Speaker 1: had went to a man made pond that my family
Speaker 1: had built out on left Work Road. We were swimming
Speaker 1: and fishing in the pond there when she stopped and
Speaker 1: she told me that she was pregnant. I thought she
Speaker 1: was joking. I was hoping she was joking, but she
Speaker 1: told me she was really pregnant with his child and
Speaker 1: that everything was going to be okay. Did you support
Speaker 1: her through that process as much as I could? I
Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to be around. And when you say you
Speaker 1: weren't allowed by who? By Jake Wagner. At one point
Speaker 1: during her separation, Hannah shared with kendradely disturbing voice recordings
Speaker 1: of Jake. It was testimony that ran a gauntlet of
Speaker 1: objections from the defense. At some point, did Hannah end
Speaker 1: up leaving Jake? Yes, ma'am, And what do you remember
Speaker 1: from that? The night that she had left Jake, she
Speaker 1: came to my mother's residency where I was staying at
Speaker 1: seventy dollars Lane, and she was a little distraught. We
Speaker 1: light on my bed and she had played audio recordings
Speaker 1: from Jake Wagner phone calls that they had had or
Speaker 1: from when they were in person. There are multiple different
Speaker 1: ones about incidents that had occurred between Jake and her.
Speaker 1: Okay and do you know what occurred between them? Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1: She not only told me, but had played audio recordings
Speaker 1: of Jake admitting to hitting her, choking her, pushing her
Speaker 1: against a wall. When he was admitting to that stuff,
Speaker 1: what was the tenor of those in the tone of
Speaker 1: those recordings, was he saying other things to her, for instance?
Speaker 1: And was this before or after Hannah had left Jake?
Speaker 1: It was after she had left Jake. Were we able
Speaker 1: to listen to this conversation. Hannah had the phone on
Speaker 1: speaker phone, that way I could be witnessed anything that
Speaker 1: was said. Okay, And there was an intentional act on
Speaker 1: her part, yes, ma'am, okay. And how do you know
Speaker 1: that it was Jake Wagner on the other end of
Speaker 1: the phone. I've met Jake before, I've talked to Jake before.
Speaker 1: I know his voice. And what was that discussion that
Speaker 1: you heard? The discussion was actually because Hannah had found
Speaker 1: out she was pregnant with her youngest and Jake had
Speaker 1: believed that was his and we were trying to point
Speaker 1: out to him that she absolutely was not his and
Speaker 1: that he couldn't be a part of her life. And
Speaker 1: at what point do you learn my aunt Michel had
Speaker 1: later got a text because some of us had service,
Speaker 1: and she became frantic and screamed out that my father
Speaker 1: was gotten. You were still at the church at that time, Yes, ma'am,
Speaker 1: let's stop here for another break, and she could not.
Speaker 1: Asked Kendra to describe the moment she learned of the
Speaker 1: murders and was helped out by a quote stadie or
Speaker 1: state police. Do you stay at the church? Upon learning
Speaker 1: that my father had been killed as well? I walked
Speaker 1: down the hill there until a family friend had actually
Speaker 1: picked me up. Her name was Melissa, and I told
Speaker 1: her that I just needed to get across the highway.
Speaker 1: She took me across the highway and I got out.
Speaker 1: There was a stadi there that stopped me. I just
Speaker 1: I was trying to get to Anna because I just
Speaker 1: wanted to be with her. I was crying and the
Speaker 1: stadi I had dropped to the ground. The stadie helped
Speaker 1: me get back up. At what point did you learn
Speaker 1: that something had happened? My boyfriend at the time I
Speaker 1: had woke me up around eight thirty. We had missed
Speaker 1: a phone call from a family friend, Nicole Francis, that
Speaker 1: had said that my uncle Chris Senior had been shot.
Speaker 1: She had heard it on a police radio. So I
Speaker 1: called her back and at that point she had told
Speaker 1: me that Chris had been shot. I tried to call Hannah.
Speaker 1: I can't get ahold of Hannah. I can't get a
Speaker 1: hold of anybody. So my brother and I, his girlfriend
Speaker 1: and my ex boyfriend we drove to Union Hill, in
Speaker 1: which we were stopped just before Frankie Driveway, stopped by
Speaker 1: whom the sheriffs that were there. It's the time that
Speaker 1: you got that call. Was the only information you had
Speaker 1: was that Chris Senior had been shot? Yes, ma'am. At
Speaker 1: what point did you learn Differently? At some point, my
Speaker 1: brother Luke Rowden had obtained some information from one of
Speaker 1: the sheriffs that Hannah had also been shot, in which
Speaker 1: he had come and told me that she had been
Speaker 1: shot as well and she was dead. What did you do?
Speaker 1: At that point? I became very upset. I couldn't believe
Speaker 1: that she had also been shot. I cried, we age.
Speaker 1: There was a few of us that had actually tried
Speaker 1: to push past the sheriffs. At this point, George, the
Speaker 1: fourth lawyer, began a flimsy cross, asking Kendra if she
Speaker 1: had any knowledge of Christinior's drug dealings. The line of
Speaker 1: questioning ran aground now referring to the information which you
Speaker 1: had provided previously to law enforcement. You had given information
Speaker 1: about an individual you know as Big Monke. Is that right? Yes?
Speaker 1: And Big Mike is someone who is from the Cincinnati
Speaker 1: area to my knowledge, okay, that's information that you had
Speaker 1: given agents though, right, that I had heard from my father.
Speaker 1: You were asked about drug dealing with your family's involvement
Speaker 1: with drug dealing, right, you are asked that question? Yes? Okay?
Speaker 1: And and so I'm eventually going to ask you about
Speaker 1: Big Mike. Did you ever observe an African American mill
Speaker 1: with Chris Senior or your father? Okay? Do you have
Speaker 1: personal knowledge of Chris Senior preparing to buy a building
Speaker 1: for a pill mill? No? Do you remember providing that
Speaker 1: information to agents? I provided at based on hearsay? Okay.
Speaker 1: You were also asked about Billy Wagner or by agents. Right. Yes,
Speaker 1: you describe the relationship between Christine you'r and Billy wag
Speaker 1: You're as business associates. Yes, you're aware of p Senior's
Speaker 1: involvement with marijuana traffic, right, Yes? And you're aware that
Speaker 1: he was in Asian more than just marrible traffic, not
Speaker 1: Frisian knowledge. You had to a we see our agents
Speaker 1: about more than just Marimana traffic. Yes, based on what
Speaker 1: I heard. Thank you again and again. The defense failed
Speaker 1: to gain ground in George the Fourth's favor, but neither
Speaker 1: really did the prosecution make a clear case against Jake's
Speaker 1: older brother George. Instead, they seem focused on painting Jake
Speaker 1: as a sociopath. Here again, Mike Allen, it's not all
Speaker 1: that probitive or relevant because George is on trial, not Jake.
Speaker 1: But I think the prosecution had a strategy to paint
Speaker 1: Jake it's kind of a depraved lunatic throughout the entire trial,
Speaker 1: and I think they were successful in doing it. I mean,
Speaker 1: anytime that they could take a shot at Jake one
Speaker 1: way or the other, they did. I think that was
Speaker 1: probably the strategy there. Oh. I think the jury's picking
Speaker 1: up on that and the prosecutor has been pounding it
Speaker 1: throughout the trial, and it just shows that this is
Speaker 1: a family like no other family that I've seen before.
Speaker 1: They're depraved and they don't care about anyone other than
Speaker 1: their family, and that is coming through loud and clear
Speaker 1: on this trial. But George's abuse of tendencies will come
Speaker 1: to light soon when his x WEF Tabitha takes the stand.
Speaker 1: Here's Mike and Angeinette. Well. Tabitha was on the stand
Speaker 1: the next day and gave testimony that she worked at
Speaker 1: the group home that Federica Wagner owned. It was called
Speaker 1: Crystal Springs. She cheated on George while working at that
Speaker 1: group home. They fired her and took her phone. She
Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to go outside home alone when she was there,
Speaker 1: and it's really frightening too, you know. She talked about
Speaker 1: that night she fled the house. She said that Angela
Speaker 1: and Hannah May had gone out to get some toys
Speaker 1: for the kids and she was home with her son,
Speaker 1: and Angela had told her. She claimed that she needed
Speaker 1: to clean up the dishes from lunch. Well, she didn't
Speaker 1: do it. She laid down to take a nap with
Speaker 1: her son. And she said that when Angela came home,
Speaker 1: she was very upset with her for not completing that
Speaker 1: task or that chore. There was an argument. George got
Speaker 1: upset with her for yelling at Angela. George slapped her
Speaker 1: and hit her with a belt. She escaped living with
Speaker 1: them by hiding under George's truck, then getting a bike
Speaker 1: out of the barn and riding away. She rode the
Speaker 1: bike down to the gas station down the road and
Speaker 1: she had her mom pick her up. She was hiding
Speaker 1: from them because he was scared of being shot. George
Speaker 1: took their son to Alaska when the Wagoners fled, but
Speaker 1: did not let Taboth and No she had no contact
Speaker 1: with her son. While the Wagers were in Alaska, George
Speaker 1: gap making excuses as to why, and one of George's
Speaker 1: closest friends testifies that George wasn't his usual self after
Speaker 1: the killings. Samantha Staley had also testified though, that after
Speaker 1: the homicides, she was with George and some other people
Speaker 1: and they went fishing, and she said he wasn't the
Speaker 1: same George. He just seemed different. It wasn't the same George.
Speaker 1: And she brought up the fact that Frankie had been
Speaker 1: killed and the rest of the family, and he, George,
Speaker 1: she said, told her to shut the f up, which
Speaker 1: sounds like it was pretty out of character for him,
Speaker 1: at least when dealing with her. More on that next time.
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