1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Much of today's testimony was about the rocky relationship between 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Hannah Roden and Jake Wagner. The two had dated and 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: they also had a daughter together. Okay, miss Manley, can 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: you tell us who she was afraid of? The Wagner family. 5 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: You know this was an abusive relationship between Hannah May 6 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: and Jake. She talked about Jake chasing her down in 7 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: a vehicle one time. Even though George Wagner is the 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: one on trial here, all of this testimony about Jake 9 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: is relevant because prosecutors say a custody battle over is 10 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: the reason for members of the Wagner family murdered eight 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: members of the Rodin family. One of the defense lawyers 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: told the Jersey, every time you hear the Wagners, keep 13 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: in mind that George Wagner is the only one on 14 00:00:54,840 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: trial here. This is the Pikedon massacre. Returned to Pike 15 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: County Season four, Episode eight, A Family Torn. I'm Courtney Armstrong, 16 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: a television producer at Katie's Studios with Stephanie Lidacer and 17 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: Jeff Shane in the middle of George Wagner the fourth's trial. 18 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 1: A typical Ohio fall has settled on Pikedon the wind 19 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: is picked up and temperatures are dropping into the thirties. 20 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: But unlike the vibrant autumn leaves springing up all around 21 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: the Pike County Courthouse in Waverley, Ohio, the mood in 22 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: the courtroom is dark. In the biggest murder investigation in 23 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: Ohio's history, Jake Wagner's older brother, George the Fourth, stares 24 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: down eight counts of aggravated murder with death penalty specifications. 25 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: It's important to note that George Wagner the Fourth, currently 26 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: on trial, has pleaded not guilty and has maintained he 27 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: did not kill anyone. His father, Billy Wagner, whose trial 28 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: is upcoming, has also pleaded not guilty to all charges. 29 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: This episode contains frequent mentions of the names of the 30 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: children impacted by this crime. We will continue to avoid 31 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: exposing their identities. Here's Judge Randy Dearing. Now there's the 32 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: state ready to proceed in to stop? Yes? Y? Is 33 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: the defense ready to yeah? All right? The state may 34 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: call another witness. Of course, this entire trial has been 35 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: gut wrenching, but today's testimony was also deeply emotional, as 36 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: Prosecutor Angiekineppa called friends and family of the Rodents to 37 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: the stand. These relatives and friends were forced to relive 38 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: the day the Rodents had been murdered, where they were, 39 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: when they found out whom they are with, and how 40 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: they handled the harrowing news. You're under the state of 41 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: April mainly to be seen. The first witness was April Manley, 42 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: the wife of James Manley, Dana Rohden's brother. April was 43 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: Hanna May's aunt and extremely close to her. She has 44 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: long blonde hair and wears a rose colored V neck sweater. 45 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: On the stand, intermittently, April wipes tears from her eyes. 46 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: She lives less than a mile to the east of 47 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: Dana Roden's home. On the morning of the murderers, April 48 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: said she rode in the ambulance to Adams County Regional 49 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: Medical Center with Hannah Mae's newborn baby, her child with 50 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: Charlie Gilly. The four day old was unharmed. Fighting back tears, 51 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: April said her husband James knew something was wrong when 52 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: outside the road and home he heard Hannah May's infant 53 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: crying NonStop. They knew Hannahmee would not let her baby 54 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: cry like that. So your husband comes back and tells 55 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: you that he believes Dana is dead. Yes, what do 56 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: you do as a result of that? I went with 57 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: you about Dados. He was an emotional wreck and want 58 00:03:53,960 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: him to building. Did he tell you anything about at 59 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: that time? Jens? Yeah, that they had heard he wouldn't 60 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: walk back care. He knew what kind of mother Hannah was, 61 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: that she wouldn't be lating current like that. Okay, So 62 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: he was concerned because he felt Hannah would have been 63 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: tending to the baby. Yes. Then at the hospital, April 64 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: had what she described as an unsettling encounter with Jake. 65 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: According to April, Jake seemed apathetic about Hannah may Roden's death. 66 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: He seemed more concerned with taking custody of her newborn child, 67 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: who we would come to learn was not even his. 68 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: And while you were there, did anybody else show up 69 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: to the hospital? I'll recall who all, but I knew 70 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: there was a couple of my nieces and nephews there 71 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: and a cousin of mine, and and eventually at the 72 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: end Jake showed up, Jake Wagner. Okay. And where were 73 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: you when Jake Wagner showed up? I was out the sun? Okay? 74 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: And can you tell us how that interaction went. It 75 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: was motionless. That makes sense to the cries and the like. 76 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: He wasn't worried about nothing. Wasn't someone that bought, had 77 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: just lost someone that claimed to love, so he was 78 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: not showing emotion at that time. Okay. Why was he there? 79 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: He came to check and see if he could take her. 80 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: Did you inform him that he could not take her? Yes? Okay? 81 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: And did he hug you at all while he was there? Yes. 82 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: April then commented that she wondered whether Jake had Hannah's 83 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: blood on him when he was embracing her. Jake was 84 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: extremely controlling over Hannah may Roden, April said, and had 85 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: negatively shaped her body image. He was very controlling over Hannah, 86 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: like we wasn't allowed to ext check or treat and 87 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: even now it Hannah's weak. Hannah was always a chunky 88 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: little monkey, and she had got down so tiny because 89 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: he would tell her that she was fat and tell 90 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: her not to eat. Did Hannah ever tell you that 91 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: she was scared? Yes, of Jake? Yes? And did she 92 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: indicate that she was afraid of Jake and his family? Yes? Okay? 93 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: And can you tell us what she was afraid of. 94 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: I'm sure the defense objects to this line of questioning, 95 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: and Judge Daring sustains the objection. According to April, Jake 96 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: all So physically threatened Hannah on multiple occasions, even engaging 97 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: her in a dangerous high speed chase. And can you 98 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: tell us, inundicated Jake Wagner was the one who would 99 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: be around the most because of Hannah, And then he 100 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: would sometimes be up at that residence that Frankie and 101 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: Hazel were found in when Dana and Hannah and little 102 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: Chris lived there. Yes, can you tell us what your 103 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: interactions would have been with him? We didn't interact. I 104 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: didn't like him. He didn't like me, Okay, Why not 105 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: because he thought I was nosy and needed to just 106 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: stay in my place because I would defend Hannah. Okay. 107 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: And how do you know that he felt that way? 108 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: Because that was at my house one evening and NEED 109 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: got into it and Hannah'd left. She'd just got a 110 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: driver's license, she was a new driver, and she called me. 111 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: He'd left after her, and she called me and said 112 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: he was chasing her around at high speeds and I 113 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: told her to try to get away somewhere, and she 114 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: got finally got away from and head behind the church 115 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: on Union Hill, and I caught her mom, and her 116 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: mom called her dad, and then I caught Hannah back 117 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: and stayed on gone with her. That's all Chris Scott tour. 118 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: April commented that it wasn't only Jake she found scary. 119 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,119 Speaker 1: Hannah was also fearful of Billy Wagner, who usually walked 120 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: around with a gun holster to his side. April also 121 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: described the disturbing experience of seeing the Wagner's at the 122 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: Rodents funerals. Did you see Billy Wagner there at the funeral? Yes? 123 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: Did you observe any injuries on him at that time? 124 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: He had bruisine only's face. And what about Jake Wagner 125 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: did you see him at the funerals? Yes? Okay? Emotional 126 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: and raw, April Manley was an effective witness for Angie 127 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: Cainnepis team, offering deeper insight into Jake's depravity. Here's Law 128 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: on Crime Network reporter Anjette Levy. She's been following the 129 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: case for years. I think April Manley provided some really 130 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: good testimony for the prosecution. She talked about how you 131 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: know this was an abusive relationship between Hannah May and Jake. 132 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: She talked about how the Wagner's Billy, George, and Jake 133 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: attended the funerals of the Rodent family members. I mean, 134 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: that's pretty stunning to think that somebody who was part 135 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: of killing your family members showed up at the funerals 136 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: with their family members who were also accused. Now, Billy 137 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: and George maintained they didn't do this. They've pleaded not guilty, 138 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: But just the fact that we actually have photographs and 139 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 1: video of Jake and George and Billy at the funerals 140 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: is pretty stunning. It's very eerie. But April Manley provided 141 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: some testimony that was very damaging to Jake Wagner. It 142 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,119 Speaker 1: should be pointed out that none of the April's testimony 143 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: incriminates George the fourth or puts them at the crime scene, 144 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: nor does it indicate that George Wagner had any motive 145 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: to carry out his brother's grudge against Hannahmee Rodin. But 146 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: according to Ohio based criminal defense attorney and legal analyst 147 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: Mike Allen, Kneppa's trying to weave a larger narrative about 148 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: the Wagners as a family unit that did everything together, 149 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: including murder. One of the defense lawyers, in his opening statement, 150 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: was very very short, told the jersid, every time you 151 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: hear the Wagners, you know, keep in mind that George 152 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: Wagner is the only one on trial here. And you know, 153 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 1: we don't know what went on in chambers when the 154 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: judge talks to the prosecutor and defense counsel. I mean, 155 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: perhaps the judge told the prosecutor, hey, you know, you're 156 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: getting a little bit of field on some of these witnesses. 157 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to narrow it down. That happens all 158 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: the time. But it sure seems though, like she had 159 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: pretty much free reign to tell the tale of the 160 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: Wagner family, even if what the witnesses were saying was 161 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: not particularly relevant to George. A lot of testimony came 162 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 1: in that was not relevant to George. As a matter 163 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: of fact, I'd go as far as to say most 164 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: of it. But again, she's telling the story. The judge 165 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: was letting her do it. I would have done the 166 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: same thing if I was prosecuting the case. Judges will 167 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: permit prosecutors to do things like this, telling the tale 168 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: and setting it up like that. But at some point 169 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: it gets to be too much. The judge can step in, 170 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: but he didn't feel in appropriate to do that. And 171 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: you know, again, I think it was the prosecutor's desire 172 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: to just weave detail about how awful this family was. 173 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: Another part of the prosecution's strategy is to maintain constant 174 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: sympathy for the victims. Obviously, the prosecutor wants to create 175 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: as much sympathy for the victims that she can, and 176 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: from what I understand, she has been able to do that. 177 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: You know, the Rodents are obviously their family members were 178 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: brutally murdered and they want to be there. And it 179 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: helps the state too with the jury because again I 180 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: think there was a motion shown at the appropriate time, 181 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: So it helps the state. Where the Wagoners, including George, 182 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: the tight knit clan they appeared to be, did they 183 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: always take action as a unit following what's known in 184 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: the Appalachian fringe as the Code of the Hills. So far, 185 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: the prosecution may have fallen short of proving that here 186 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: again in Jinette Jake's daughter. Custody of his daughter is 187 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: really what the prosecution says was the motive in this case, 188 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: and they say it's a conspiracy and that four people 189 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: were involved in the conspiracy. So a lot of the 190 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: testimony seems to point more to Jake, and we hear 191 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: way more about Jake and Angela Wagner than we do 192 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: about George. So George seems like in some ways to 193 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: not be that much of a fixture or a feature 194 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: in his own murder trial. At a lot of points 195 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: when we're listening to some of this testimony, it seems strange. 196 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: It's not the first time I've covered a trial where 197 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: it seems like you don't hear that much about the defendant. 198 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: When I've seen this happen in the past, it's always 199 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: been in a case that involved more than one defendant, right, 200 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: I mean, Jake Wagner is really the main player in 201 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: this case. And Jake Wagner, of course pleaded guilty. You 202 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: admitted it said that this is why the family carried 203 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: out these crimes. But if you're George Wagner's defense attorneys, 204 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: I would think you'd be thinking, you know what, my 205 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: guy's name hasn't been mentioned very often up to this point, 206 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: so I'd be trying to exploit that as much as 207 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: I could, because it's all been about Jake and Hannah 208 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: may Or, about Angela and Hannah may Or, Angela and 209 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: Jake and the child. It hasn't really been that much 210 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: about George. We're going to take a break. We'll be 211 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: back in a moment. April Manly's son Cody also takes 212 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: the stand. He's got short blonde hair and glasses and 213 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: wears a blue checkered button down shirt. He is very composed. 214 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: Please tell me if I am correct about this. Your 215 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: testimony is that you saw George Wagner a few times 216 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: at Chris's fireworks correct, yes, okay, And that you knew 217 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: him enough to recognize him correct, correct, okay. And in 218 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: addition to that, you saw him at the funeral, correct okay. 219 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: Do you recognize him in the courtroom here today? Yes? 220 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: And can you please tell us where he is sitting 221 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: and what he was wearing over there in that vest 222 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: and white shirt and black tie. Cody and Frankie Roden 223 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: were best friends. Frankie lived down the road from Cody 224 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: and rode with him every day to work. On the 225 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: morning of April twenty second, Frankie didn't show up at 226 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: Cody's house like he usually did, so Cody drove over 227 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: to the roadents to see what was going on. Cody 228 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: described arriving at the scene of the murders and seeing 229 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: his aunt, Bobby Joe Manley's car along with the police 230 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: officer's car. He then walked into the scene of the crime. 231 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: I just pulled alongside the road and walked in of Frankie's. Okay, 232 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: And can you tell us where did you see the 233 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: cop car? And where was Bobby Joe's car in? Bobby 234 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: Joe's car was in the driveway slash yard and the 235 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: cop car was like driveway slashway okay, so kind of 236 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: half in the driveway and half in the road. And 237 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: you walked into Frankie's house right, okay? And what happened? 238 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: I wagering in like first, why did you freeze? Because 239 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: I saw things I didn't want to see. What he 240 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: saw was Frankie Rodin and Hannah Hazel lying in a 241 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: pool of blood. Cody testified that Chris Senior's dog, Chance 242 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: probably knew the killers because it would have likely attacked 243 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: them if he didn't. Something special about Chance, something different? 244 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: What was that? What do you mean different? Well? Was 245 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: Chance a gentle dog or not? To me? Yes, he 246 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: was gentle to you. And Chance knew you because you 247 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: had been to that property often, right right, I was 248 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: chance with people he didn't know, they wouldn't have went 249 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: in the house. Here's Angeanette's overview of Cody's testimony. Cody 250 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: Manly is Hannah May's cousin and the son of James 251 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: and April Many, and he was close with Frankie Rodin. 252 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: He ended up actually going down to Frankie's house and 253 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: saw Bobby Joe in the driveway, and he walked into 254 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: the house to see what was going on, and he 255 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: actually found Frankie and Hannah Hazel dead in the bed. 256 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: A deputy came in and told him, look, you've got 257 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: to get out of here. He said he was frozen, 258 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: he just couldn't move. And he testified about Hannah May 259 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: being fearful of the Wagoners. He didn't say necessarily that 260 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: Hannah Mae was fearful of George, but that she did 261 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 1: fear the Wagoners. She wasn't living there with the Wagoners anymore. 262 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,239 Speaker 1: That's why she broke it off with Jake. He had 263 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: made some threats to her in the past as well, 264 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: and kept her in her bedroom for periods of time 265 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: and wouldn't let her leave the house. Oh. Listening to 266 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: Cody Manley talk about how Hannah was fearful of the 267 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: wagoners was pretty telling. First of all, can you tell 268 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: us your name? Kendra Rodin? Okay? And Kendra, can you 269 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: tell us how old you are? Twenty five? Okay? And 270 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: where do you work? I currently work as a nurse 271 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: at Brookdale. It's a nursing facility for Deminta residents. Okay? 272 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: And where is that located? In Inglewood, Ohio? Kendra Rodin, 273 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: Kenneth's daughter, also gave heart wrenching testimony. She wore a 274 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: white shirt with lace accents and her long blonde hair 275 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,719 Speaker 1: and a neat braid. She was extremely close to Hannah 276 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: May and witnessed many of Jake's abuses. And you mentioned Hannah. 277 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: Who are you talking about when you say Hannah? Hannah Rodin? 278 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: She was Chris's daughter, She was my cousin, my best friend. 279 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,479 Speaker 1: We were like sisters. And can you tell us for 280 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: how long of your life that was? Was that? Did 281 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: that start in early childhood or did that start later 282 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: in life? Early childhood we were only a month apart, 283 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: so we had been together. Correct. Hendra echoed April Manley's 284 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: claim that Jake was controlling and cruel. Did you continue 285 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: to hang out with Jake and Hannah on various occasions? Yes? Kay? 286 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: Was there ever a time that you expressed a disliking 287 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: of Jake? Yes? I had told Hannah I did not 288 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: like Jake, okay, And can you tell us what led 289 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: you to say that? He would constantly try to be controlling? 290 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: He would follow her anywhere we went. She was never 291 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: allowed to be alone. So give us some examples of that. 292 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: An example would be when we went to the rare 293 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: Adam White Tall Dear Festival. Hannah would like need to 294 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: go to the bathroom, or we would say that we 295 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: were gonna go to the bathroom and Jake had to 296 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: tag along, and then he would wait outside until we 297 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: were done. And did anything happen at the I believe 298 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: you said, the Soyota County Fair, Yes, ma'am okay. At 299 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: the Syda County Fair, Jake had made a demeaning remark 300 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: to Hannah Rutin and grabbed her by the arm, in 301 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: which I turned and kicked him in the chin cause 302 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: I didn't like it. And then Hannah gotten between the 303 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: both of us. She had come to me. She had 304 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: arranged a little day for us to be together, and 305 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: we had went to a man made pond that my 306 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: family had built out on Left Fork Road. We were 307 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: swimming and fishing in the pond there when she stopped 308 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: and she told me that she was pregnant. I thought 309 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: she was joking. I was hoping she was joking, but 310 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: she told me she was really pregnant with his child 311 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: and that everything was going to be okay. Did you 312 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: support her through that process as much as I could? 313 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed to be around. And when you say, 314 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: you weren't allowed by whom? By Jake Wagner. At one 315 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: point during her separation, Hannah shared with Kendred deeply disturbing 316 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: voice recordings of Jake. It was testimony that ran a 317 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: gauntlet of objections from the defense. At some point, did 318 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: Hannah end up leaving Jake Wagner? Yes, ma'am, And what 319 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: do you remember from that? The night that she had 320 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: left Jake, she came to my mother's residency where I 321 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: was staying at seventy Millers Lane, and she was a 322 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: little distraught. We light on my bed and she had 323 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: played audio recordings from Jake Wagner phone calls that they 324 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: had had or from when they were in person. There 325 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: are multiple different ones about incidents that had occurred between 326 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: Jake and her. Okay, And do you know what occurred 327 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: between them? Yes, ma'am. She not only told me, but 328 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: had played audio recordings of Jake admitting to hitting her 329 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: and choking her, pushing her against a wall. When he 330 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: was admitting to to that stuff. W W what was 331 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: the tenor of those in the tone of those uh recordings? 332 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: Was he saying other things to her for instance? And 333 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: was this before or after Hannah had left Jake? It 334 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: was after she had left Jake or were you able 335 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: to listen to this conversation Hannah had the phone on 336 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: the speaker phone that way I could be witnessed to 337 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 1: anything that was said. Okay, And there was an intentional 338 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: act on her part, yes, ma'am. Okay. And how do 339 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: you know that it was Jake Wagner on the other 340 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: end of the phone. I've met Jake before, I've talked 341 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: to Jake before. I know his voice. And what was 342 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: that discussion and you heard the discussion was actually because 343 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: Hannah had found out she was pregnant with her youngest 344 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: and Jake had believed that it was his, and we 345 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: were trying to point out to him that she absolutely 346 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: was not his and that he couldn't be a part 347 00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: of her life. And at what point do you My 348 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: aunt Michelle had later got a text because none of 349 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: us had service, and she became frantic and screamed out 350 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: that my father was gone. You were still at the 351 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: church at that time, Yes, ma'am, let's stop here for 352 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: another break. And she could not ask Kendra to describe 353 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: the moment she learned of the murders and was helped 354 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: out by a quote stadye or state police. Do you 355 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: stay at the church? Upon learning that my father had 356 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: been killed as well? I walked down the hill there 357 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: until a family friend had actually picked me up. Her 358 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: name was Melissa, and I told her that I just 359 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: needed to get across the highway. She took me across 360 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: the highway and I got out. There was a stady 361 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: there that stopped me. I just I was trying to 362 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: get to because I just wanted to be with her. 363 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: I was crying and the stadie I had dropped to 364 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: the ground. The stadi helped me get back up. At 365 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: what point did you learn that something had happened my 366 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: boyfriend at the time had woke me up around eight thirty. 367 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: We had missed a phone call from a family friend, 368 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: Nicole Francis, that had said that my uncle Chris Senior 369 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: had been shot. She had heard it on a police radio. 370 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: So I called her back and at that point she 371 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: had told me that Chris had been shot. I tried 372 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: to call Hannah. I can't get a hold of Hannah. 373 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: I can't get a hold of anybody. So my brother 374 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: and I, his girlfriend and my ex boyfriend we drove 375 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: to Union Hill, in which we were stopped just before 376 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: Frankie's driveway stop by whom the sheriffs that were there. 377 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: Is it time that you got that call? Was the 378 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: only information you had was that Chris had been shot? Yes, 379 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: ma'am okay? At what point did you learn differently? At 380 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: some point, my brother, Luke Roden had obtained some information 381 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: from one of the sheriffs that Hannah had also been shot, 382 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: in which he had come and told me that she 383 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: had been shot as well and she was dead. What 384 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: did you do? At that point? I became very upset. 385 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that she had also been shot. I cried. 386 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: We age. There was a few of us that had 387 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: actually tried to push past the sheriffs. At this point, George, 388 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: the fourth lawyer began a flimsy cross asking Kendra if 389 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: she had any knowledge of Chris Senior's drug dealings. The 390 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: line of questioning ran aground now referring to the information 391 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: which you had provided previously to law enforcement. You had 392 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: given information about an individual you know as Big Mike. 393 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 1: Is that right? Yes? And Big Mike is someone who 394 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: is from the Cincinnati area to my knowledge, okay, that's 395 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: information that you had given agents though, right, that I 396 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: had heard from my father. You were asked about drug 397 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: dealing with your your family's involvement with drug dealing. Right, 398 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: you were asked that question, yes, okay? And uh? And 399 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: so I'm eventually going to ask you about Big Mike. 400 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: Did you ever observe an African American male with Chris 401 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: Senior or your father? Not that I recall. Okay, do 402 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: you have personal knowledge of Chris preparing to buy a 403 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: building for a pill mill? No? Do you remember providing 404 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: that information to agents? I provided a based on hearsay, Okay. 405 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: You were also asked about Billy Wagner by ass or 406 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: by agents? Right? Yes, you described the relationship between Chris 407 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: Senior and Billy Wags. You're as business associates, yes, okay, 408 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: you're aware of for Senior's involvement with marijuana trafficking, right, yes, 409 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: And you're aware that he was engaged in more than 410 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: just marijuana traffic. Not first hand knowledge, you had total 411 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: BCI agents about more than just marijuana traffic. Yes, based 412 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: on what I heard, Thank you, Thank you again and again. 413 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: The defense failed to game ground in George the Fourth's favor, 414 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: but neither really did the prosecution make a clear case 415 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: against Jake's older brother George. Instead, they seem focused on 416 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 1: painting Jake as a sociopath. Here again, Mike Gallon, it's 417 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: not all that probative or relevant because George is on trial, 418 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: not Jake. But I think the prosecution had a strategy 419 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: to paint Jake it's kind of a depraved lunatic throughout 420 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: the entire trial, and I think they were successful in 421 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: doing it. I mean, anytime that they could take a 422 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: shot at Jake one way or the other, they did. 423 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: I think that was probably the strategy there. Oh. I 424 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: think the jury's picking up on that, and the prosecutor 425 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,239 Speaker 1: has been pounding it throughout the trial, and it just 426 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: shows that this is a family like no other family 427 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: than I've seen before. They're depraved and they don't care 428 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: about anyone other than their family, and that is coming 429 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: through loud and clear on this trial. But George's abusive 430 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: tendencies will come to light soon when his ex wif 431 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: Tabita takes the stand. Here's Mike and Anginette. Well. Tampitha 432 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: was on the stand the next day and gave testimony 433 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: that she worked at the group home that Frederica Wagner owned. 434 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: It was called Crystal Springs. She cheated on George while 435 00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: working at that group home. They fired her and took phone. 436 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: She wasn't allowed to go outside home alone when she 437 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: was there, and it's really frightening too, you know. She 438 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: talked about that night she fled the house. She said 439 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: that Angela and Hannah May had gone out to get 440 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: some toys for the kids and she was home with 441 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: her son and Angela had told her. She claimed that 442 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: she needed to clean up the dishes from lunch. Well, 443 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: she didn't do it. She laid down to take a 444 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: nap with her son, and she said that when Angela 445 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: came home, she was very upset with her for not 446 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: completing that task or that chour. There was an argument. 447 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: George got upset with her for yelling at Angela. George 448 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: slapped her and hit her with a belt. She escaped 449 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: living with them by hiding under George's truck, then getting 450 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,479 Speaker 1: a bike out of the barn and riding away. She 451 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: rode the bike down at the gas station down the 452 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: road and she had her mom pick her up. She 453 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: was hiding from them because he was scared of being shot. 454 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: George took their son to Alaska when the Wagners fled, 455 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: did not let tabith And know she had no contact 456 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: with her son. While the Wagers were in Alaska, George 457 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: kept making excuses as to why, and one of George's 458 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: closest friends testifies that George wasn't his usual self after 459 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: the killings. Samantha Staley had also testified though, that after 460 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,719 Speaker 1: the homicides, she was with George and some other people 461 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: and they went fishing, and she said he wasn't the 462 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: same George. He just seemed different. It wasn't the same George. 463 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: And she brought up the fact that Frankie had been 464 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: killed and the rest of the family and Georgie, she 465 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: said told her to shut the f up, which sounds 466 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: like it was pretty out of character for him, at 467 00:30:54,920 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: least when dealing with her. 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Queen Lord, I just 477 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: thank you for bringing us all together as a community. Okay, 478 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: all dead, all over the house? Who could have killed 479 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: eight family members in one by I lost my best 480 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: friend and I will never be the same because of 481 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: that day. Four crime scenes, no DNA, no witnesses. The 482 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: killer left those children laying in their mother's blood. The 483 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: word that comes to mind is overkilled. Who was the 484 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: master mind? I'm telling you is a crimer. I'm not 485 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: fitting in prison. One thing I learned, the smaller the town, 486 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: the baker the sacreds. Be sure to watch our upcoming documentary, 487 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: The Pike County Murders of Family Massacre, premiering on NBC 488 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: Universal's Oxygen Network and also streaming on Peacock this Thanksgiving 489 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: Day weekend November twenty fourth and November twenty fifth. Please 490 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: check your local listings and our hearts are with the 491 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: Rodents and the Gilly families.