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Speaker 1: direct messages and get your question answer here on the show. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we're winding down to the summertime. So like I said,

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Speaker 1: because you know, we're bumping the brakes on football. I

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Speaker 1: mean literally everyone goes on vacation. It's it's like, uh,

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Speaker 1: big thing that's been a talking point for the last

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Speaker 1: I totally get that, but Lamar Jackson the correct decision. Now,

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Speaker 1: There's a fine balance with a guy like Lamar, a

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Speaker 1: minded head coach, a team that was desperate to get

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Speaker 1: consistency at quarterback. They have had how many quarterbacks basically

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Speaker 1: a quarterback a year for the last several years, and

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Speaker 1: the last quarterback they had, for whatever reason, I just

431
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Speaker 1: can't seem to get along with people like I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: You could you could argue maybe it wasn't all Carson

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Speaker 1: Wentz's fault with the Eagles. Now a year later, it's

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Speaker 1: hard to say, Yeah, it's probably more Carson Wentz. Carson

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Speaker 1: Wentz has problems fitting in, and he consistently finds himself

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Speaker 1: fitting out. And then I see him interview and you

437
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Speaker 1: know he's taking the high road and listen. He always

438
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Speaker 1: says the right things, but clearly his actions don't match

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Speaker 1: that when he's in the building. And now you got

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan that no one could argue is like one

441
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Speaker 1: of the most consistent humans in the league. I think

442
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Speaker 1: it's just gonna give them stability. He's gonna be motivated.

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Speaker 1: And Stafford has more talent than Matt Ryan. But I

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Speaker 1: do think, like similar situations, you go to a more

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Speaker 1: talented team, you get this fire of like I finally

446
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Speaker 1: get to prove like I'm better than everyone things. And

447
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: for Matt Ryan, like he sniffed it. He's been that close.

448
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Speaker 1: This is his opportunity, and I think we're gonna see

449
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Speaker 1: a very very motivated Matt Ryan. I think we're gonna

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Speaker 1: see a very very motivated Colts team. I mean they

451
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Speaker 1: had the most embarrassing finish of last year to lose

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Speaker 1: the Raiders and then obviously losing the Jack's Week. A

453
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Speaker 1: team like that was the worst ending of a season

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Speaker 1: last year. At least the Cardinals, who also had an

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Speaker 1: embarrassing ending, happened in the playoffs. Like we've seen teams

456
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Speaker 1: have embarrassing lost in the playoffs. It's still in the playoffs, right,

457
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Speaker 1: the Colts did not make it to the playoffs. How

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Speaker 1: that's possible, I still don't know, but it happened. Now

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Speaker 1: you get Matt Ryan, now you get the team and

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Speaker 1: definitely the head coach who has a lot to prove.

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Speaker 1: I'm bullish on them this year and then last, but

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Speaker 1: not least. I saw, you know, some teams, obviously the

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Speaker 1: Ravens and the Broncos, and then there are other teams

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Speaker 1: throughout the league. Some teams canceled it. I saw Doug

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Speaker 1: Peterson canceled practices. But the Broncos are having their mandatory

466
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Speaker 1: minicamp this week, and I saw Nate Hackett, who's you know,

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Speaker 1: you see Davis guy. He's excited, he brings a lot

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Speaker 1: of great energy. Was just talking about just being interviewed.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're practicing now on the field, and I

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Speaker 1: don't know that much about the one of the Walton

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Speaker 1: kids who purchased this team. Beside you know, it feels

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Speaker 1: it's weird right there. They're one of the biggest businesses

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Speaker 1: in the country, but it doesn't feel they're out front

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Speaker 1: in the sense of like Elon or Bezos or even

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Speaker 1: some of the tech guys like Tim Cook or you

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Speaker 1: know that they're there are bigger seat Jamie Diamond just

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Speaker 1: CEOs that we feel we know their personality. If you

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Speaker 1: watch finance shows, they're just bigger part of it. I

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Speaker 1: never see the Waltons talk. I don't know anything about him.

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Speaker 1: Even David Tepper when he bought it, like a lot

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Speaker 1: of people knew a lot about him. Cohen who bought

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Speaker 1: the Mets, Balmer who bought the Clippers, like those guys

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Speaker 1: that felt like we had somewhat of an idea what

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Speaker 1: they were gonna be like as I know nothing about

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Speaker 1: the Waltons besides that they own Walmart's and are super rich,

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Speaker 1: all of them. But here's what I do know. When

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Speaker 1: super rich people purchase something like they typically want to

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Speaker 1: hire the guys to run their operation. That's the whole

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Speaker 1: point of owning something, right, is you get to dictate

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Speaker 1: who runs something and who doesn't. Now, sometimes, if you

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Speaker 1: bought a random business and someone told you, you know what,

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Speaker 1: the guy running your business is the most talented person

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Speaker 1: in the industry, you would be crazy not to keep them.

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Speaker 1: If we just bought a random football team, and and

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton was my head coach, and everyone that I

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Speaker 1: talked to in the business, was like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: you're very, very lucky. You just got one of the

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Speaker 1: best coaches. You'd keep them. You wouldn't even think twice.

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Speaker 1: He'd have a much longer leash. But when you inherit

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Speaker 1: a team, or I mean you inherit a coach, you

501
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Speaker 1: don't inherit a team. He bought the team and you

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Speaker 1: get this coach that, let's face it, a couple of

503
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Speaker 1: years ago most people have not heard of, Like Russell

504
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: Wilson is going nowhere. Many people expect Russell Wilson to

505
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Speaker 1: sign a massive, massive contract extension this offseason. But Hackett, like,

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Speaker 1: what is his equity? One with the Broncos, too, with

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Speaker 1: the Waltons and just three overall with the league? Like

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Speaker 1: what I say with the league? Like, is the media

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Speaker 1: gonna defend him? He doesn't. He doesn't have any So

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Speaker 1: when you look at this guy, I think the pressure

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Speaker 1: on him, and I've said it for a while, the

512
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Speaker 1: pressure on Josh McDaniels is high. Mark Davis is not

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Speaker 1: firing him, I said, Brandon Saley pressure is enormous. He

514
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Speaker 1: has the best roster. Dean Spanos is so cheap. A

515
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: sister suing him now he ain't firing him either. But

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Speaker 1: Nate Hackett, who just got a brand new owner in

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Speaker 1: the middle of minicamp, who paid almost five billion dollars,

518
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Speaker 1: the biggest purchase in the history of American pro sports team.

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Speaker 1: I think it's now officially on the clock. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that's fair. I'm not saying that's right, but

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Speaker 1: that's just the way the world works. You mean, this

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Speaker 1: guy just bought the business. I mean I have several

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Speaker 1: friends who are either part of a company that were

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Speaker 1: bought by venture capitalist firms, or I had a family

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Speaker 1: friend that started their own company and were purchased by

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Speaker 1: a venture capitalist firm. And basically what they do is

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Speaker 1: they pick specific industries, whether it's alarms, whether it's cold

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Speaker 1: boxes and safe ways and Alberson's, and they basically buy

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Speaker 1: a huge cluster of them, you know, maybe like six

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Speaker 1: seven in a given region, and then they consolidate them

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Speaker 1: all to make a lot of money. And then they

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Speaker 1: take those consolidated companies basically put them under one umbrella,

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Speaker 1: and then they sell it again. It's basically just selling

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Speaker 1: cash flow. And a lot of times when the businesses

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Speaker 1: are doing well, they let the people that are running

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Speaker 1: the individual companies keep running them. But sometimes they say, hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: we'll give you a year or two years of leeway,

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00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: and they never do, and they either fire those people,

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Speaker 1: forced them out, they basically placed their own person in there.

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Speaker 1: That's the way the world works. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be any different. Who's to say that Walton and

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Speaker 1: hit in the back of his mind, doesn't think I'll

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Speaker 1: pay Sean Payton twenty million dollars a year. He just

544
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Speaker 1: literally paid five billion dollars for the team. Think about

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Speaker 1: Steve Ballmer. Basketball is a little different, is much more

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Speaker 1: player dependent, a little less about the coach. He got

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Speaker 1: the team, and all he thought about was like, how

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Speaker 1: do we get quiet Leonard? How do we get more stars?

549
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: How do we get stars? And what did you do?

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Speaker 1: He figured out a way to get stars. Who's to

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Speaker 1: say that Walton won't just be like, I'll do whatever

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Speaker 1: it takes to get John Payton. I'll pay Sean Payton

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Speaker 1: twenty two million dollars a year, get him out of retirement,

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Speaker 1: get him away from the Fox booth, and have him

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Speaker 1: coaches in the Broncos, and look at what he can

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Speaker 1: tell him. I have a coach, I have a quarterback

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Speaker 1: under contract and a good roster for you. So I

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Speaker 1: again not anti this guy. I don't even know that

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Speaker 1: much about him beside where he went to college a

560
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: long time ago, and then his dad once coached for

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Speaker 1: the for Bill Walston and coach Joe Montana. But I

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Speaker 1: think the mo mean the sale is official. I guess

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Speaker 1: it's quote unquote unofficial. Right now he's getting the team.

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Speaker 1: But whenever the money is transferred and he's announced as

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Speaker 1: the new owner of the Denver Broncos, I think hacketts

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Speaker 1: immediately on the clock. Okay, let's getting a little Middlecoff

567
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Speaker 1: mail bag at John Middlecoff is the Instagram just my

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Speaker 1: name two f's Uh, fire up in those direct messages

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Speaker 1: and get your question answered here on the podcast. Hey John,

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Speaker 1: sweet freaking pot. I love the football inside. I like

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Speaker 1: this guy. I like this guy. Peter, You're sound like

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Speaker 1: a good man. I'm gonna go rogue with the mail

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Speaker 1: bag today. Though, favorite comedy TV show movies keep it up,

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Speaker 1: I would say right now, Barry is Uh, it's as

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Speaker 1: good as it gets as a television show. It is

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Speaker 1: just brilliant. Uh it really, Bill Hayter, you know plays

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Speaker 1: this assassin. It's just I would imagine maybe people listen

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Speaker 1: to this are watching it. It is fantastic. The bald

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Speaker 1: Russian mobster is one of the great characters of all time.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's because I'm also bald, but he is hilarious. Uh,

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Speaker 1: love love Barry. I would say, I'm also watching We

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Speaker 1: Own the City. I forget the actor's name, but he's

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Speaker 1: like the Punisher. It's kind of I wouldn't say he's

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Speaker 1: an up and coming actor. He's been pretty famous now

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Speaker 1: for a while, but he's really good in the show. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's it's kind of got, you know. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: made by the guy that made the Wire, but it's similar. Again,

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Speaker 1: I would imagine many people will listen to this are

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Speaker 1: watching it as well. Thanks for running this pod and

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Speaker 1: the mailbag. I like your focus on the business side

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Speaker 1: of things. I appreciate your understanding of the salary cap

592
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Speaker 1: coming do at some date with dead cap. It's so

593
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Speaker 1: frustrated to hear the cap doesn't matter. There seems to

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Speaker 1: be a trend in teams more and more aggressively pushing

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Speaker 1: cap in in the future. The strategy seems to be cyclical,

596
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Speaker 1: where teams need to boost their peak Super Bowl window

597
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Speaker 1: as much as possible with a high cash over cap.

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00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: Then eventually it all comes due and they rebuild and repeat.

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Speaker 1: Since other teams are doing this, it would be really

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Speaker 1: hard to compete for a Super Bowl without stretching the

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Speaker 1: cap out. I wonder how it affects the NFL long term. First,

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Speaker 1: do you think teams that are rebuilding may purposely slow

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Speaker 1: play until their rivals are in cap hell for a

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Speaker 1: few years? For example, the Bucks, Rams and Packers and

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Speaker 1: name a few look like you're gonna be in some

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Speaker 1: rough spots in a couple of years. If, say the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks know the Rams will be laden with dead cap

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Speaker 1: a few years from now, would they plan to peek

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Speaker 1: in say twenty five or six, when the division may

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Speaker 1: be easier or is it too localized to matter in

611
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Speaker 1: the broader scope of the league And is there too

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Speaker 1: much variance from that plan that far into the future. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I would say yes, you build and your

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Speaker 1: team for who is on your team, Like if you're

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Speaker 1: the Lions, it doesn't make sense to break the bank

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Speaker 1: for players when you don't have a quarterback. Same with

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Speaker 1: the Giants, right, you want to bottom out, get your

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Speaker 1: quarterback and then go from there. Now, some teams, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's some their team they're talented enough that they can

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Speaker 1: be competitive without the top quarterback. But for the most part,

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Speaker 1: without the quarterback, you don't really have a shot. So

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Speaker 1: I think every team is just consumed with getting a

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Speaker 1: guy that they feel can be a playoff starting quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I think we always like, you gotta find my homes,

625
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Speaker 1: you gotta find Josh Allen. No, you just gotta find

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Speaker 1: like Kirk Cousins, because if you get Kirk Cousins, you

627
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Speaker 1: can just be competitive. So you know, part of the

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Speaker 1: Seattle now is like who could be their quarterback for

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Speaker 1: the next five years. It's not in their roster. So

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Speaker 1: if they suck this year, do they end up with

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Speaker 1: that guy? Now? Does that mean Pete Carroll and John

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Speaker 1: Schneider get fired? I don't know, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: you can. You were always focused on the teams in

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Speaker 1: your division, right, But like if you're the Falcons, like

635
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: ultimately Marcus Mariota, right, I guess you drafted the kid

636
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: from Cincinnati too, But you're just trying to become put

637
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Speaker 1: the best roster forward possibly you. You just never know

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Speaker 1: what's gonna happen in two. In the NFL, it's the

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Speaker 1: easiest sport to turn yourself around quickly, especially now they've

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Speaker 1: added this seventh wild card spot that like, I think

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Speaker 1: you can come out of nowhere strong. But I think

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Speaker 1: when Carson Wentz was traded, most people thought the Eagles

643
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Speaker 1: were just gonna suck hell. I probably did. Then all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, they went nine and eight, and a

645
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Speaker 1: year later we go and they still. I don't think

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Speaker 1: we're there that many believers in their quarterback, but he's

647
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Speaker 1: clearly solid and their team is really good, and I

648
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Speaker 1: think a lot of people are gonna pick the Eagles

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Speaker 1: to win that division this year. So it just shows

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Speaker 1: you if they would have been consumed with bottoming out

651
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Speaker 1: and sucking, you know, they wouldn't be where they're at.

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Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure what the limits on length of

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Speaker 1: contract can be, but if they are unbad founded, the

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Speaker 1: teams could just continue to push the cap farther and

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Speaker 1: farther in the future. In this case, the bill could

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Speaker 1: never come do and they could have dead cap twenty

657
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: or thirty years in the future. I think the NFL

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Speaker 1: needs to adjust their regulations to present insane caps. Spreading

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Speaker 1: over the decades, the differences agents and teams. Excuse me.

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Speaker 1: The teams would sign a guy to a ten year contract,

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00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: but a player won't, you know, I mean it's I

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Speaker 1: would say a six year extension non quarterback is about

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Speaker 1: as long as you're ever gonna see, like what Khalil

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Speaker 1: Mack and Aaron Donald got years ago. But most most

665
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Speaker 1: contracts are four or five years. I love the pod

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Speaker 1: us John's need to stick together. So this guy is

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Speaker 1: also named John. Had a chiefs question for you with

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Speaker 1: Tyreek gone, who will be our breakout wide receiver? We

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Speaker 1: just got Juju mvs Skymore and Justin Ross. We also

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Speaker 1: still have Hardeman. I know Travis Kelsey will get the

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Speaker 1: ball a lot, and I don't like our running backs.

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Speaker 1: I actually think the little guy, uh, what the hell

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Speaker 1: is his name? Number the running back from L s U. Clyde.

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Speaker 1: I I think he was coming on last year and

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Speaker 1: he got banged up a couple of times. I think

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Speaker 1: Clyde's gonna be good in this offense. I would expect

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Speaker 1: skuy More to be a factor. I would expect sky

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Speaker 1: More to be a factor in a factor fast. I

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Speaker 1: could also see MBS making some place with I mean

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00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: he made plays with Rogers. What's your take on the

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Speaker 1: Lions winning the North this year? The majority of their

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Speaker 1: games last season, we're all decided late in the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 1: and with another year of Dan Campbell st Brown coming

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Speaker 1: into his own, Jamison Williams being a very valuable piece

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Speaker 1: of the offense. I think I saw a headline that

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Speaker 1: they don't expect Williams Jamison to be ready anywhere near

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Speaker 1: the start of the season. Uh could have read that

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Speaker 1: headline wrong, but definitely he's not gonna be started at

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Speaker 1: training camp, so I don't know. To me, he is

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Speaker 1: very possibly gonna be on pup if I was a

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Speaker 1: bidding man. I do not think the Lions are a

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Speaker 1: threat to win that division. I think that division is

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Speaker 1: a two horse race. It's the Packers and how well

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Speaker 1: they transition their passing offense without Davante for the season. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and then the Vikings if their coach is good and

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Speaker 1: their defense can be better. I I don't think you

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Speaker 1: have any chance. I just I just don't. I know,

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Speaker 1: you guys were competitive and you played hard. There's a difference.

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Speaker 1: Betwe mean competitive and playing hard and having enough talent

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Speaker 1: to win nine games. And I don't think you're anywhere

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Speaker 1: near that. I mean, you guys drafted. You have the

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Speaker 1: second pick of the draft. So to go from the

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Speaker 1: second pick of the draft to win your division, and

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Speaker 1: to win the division probably take ten wins, that'd be

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Speaker 1: a pretty enormous historic turnaround. I can't think of any

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Speaker 1: time that ever happens. The Niners. They got Nick Bosa

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Speaker 1: and then they went to the Super Bowl. But the

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Speaker 1: reason they ended up for Nick bosas Jimmy g towards

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Speaker 1: a c L like I saw your quarterback, Jared Goff.

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Speaker 1: Nice guy, just average player. I've been listening to you

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Speaker 1: for a few years now, East Coast guy, but love

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Speaker 1: your talk of West Coast courses in general. Stuff to do.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait to get back out that way. Titans question

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Speaker 1: what everyone is raven to discuss. Do you think the

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Speaker 1: Malik Willis his cleats touched the field in twenty two

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Speaker 1: beyond a few random red zone gadget special teams plays.

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Speaker 1: I didn't love him as a prospect, especially as an

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Speaker 1: early first rounder, but for the value I really like

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Speaker 1: to pick by the Titans that they're round Tannehill does

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Speaker 1: not seem like the future in Nashville, especially after the

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Speaker 1: last playoff performance. But when is Willis's time to shine?

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Speaker 1: Does he ever become the guy for the Titans? In

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Speaker 1: your opinion, I think anytime you take a guy after

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Speaker 1: pick like fifty, there isn't some huge urgency for him

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Speaker 1: to become the starter. Right Like Ryan Tannehill, that game

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Speaker 1: against the Bengals is just an all time dead when

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Speaker 1: you're the number one overall seat. I mean, their general

728
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Speaker 1: manager cried at the combine because of what he feels that, like,

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Speaker 1: what how they screwed that situation up? They were the

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Speaker 1: number one overall seat hosting the Bengals, I mean, and

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is just dramatically better player and Tannehill through

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Speaker 1: three picks. But I don't think you can ever like

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Speaker 1: to me when you draft a guy in the first round,

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Speaker 1: even if you read shirts like Tray Lance two years ago, right,

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Speaker 1: Trey Lance was gonna be the starter. Lamar Jackson when

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Speaker 1: he was draft to pick thirty two, he was gonna

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Speaker 1: be the starter. Mac Jones was gonna be the starter.

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Speaker 1: Most guys, if you're drafted like after the second round,

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Speaker 1: like third fourth, you're not guaranteed anything. So if I

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Speaker 1: was a betting man, I would say, it's gonna be very,

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Speaker 1: very difficult for them to feel Malik Willis is better

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Speaker 1: than Ryan tanne Hill in the near future. Obviously this year,

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Speaker 1: like you said, zero chance unless there's an injury, but

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Speaker 1: even next year, Like I'm not the biggest Tanny Hill guy,

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Speaker 1: but I just don't see how Malik Willis within twenty

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Speaker 1: four months is better than and John Robinson and Mike

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Speaker 1: Vrabel are trying to win. So you're not just gonna

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Speaker 1: get rid of Tanney Hill if you don't think that

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Speaker 1: this guy can get you double digit wins, because you

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Speaker 1: get double digit wins with Taniel love him or hate him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's just a fact. You've talked about how

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Speaker 1: lucky guys like Mahomes and Brady were to go to

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Speaker 1: great situations that put their careers on the path of success,

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Speaker 1: and how unlucky some guys, especially quarterbacks are to go

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Speaker 1: to bad situations. I feel like Joe Burrow is an

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Speaker 1: exceptional all time outlier in NFL history. He turned the

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Speaker 1: Bengals from a perennial joke to one miss block from

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl champions in two years. Beyond all the tangible

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Speaker 1: talent and stuff you can see on film, I feel

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Speaker 1: like he deserves m v P consideration for making the

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Speaker 1: Bengals franchise believe they can win. Him and Peyton Manning

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Speaker 1: are the only two guys that come to mind for me.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts. Yeah, I mean he's just, but there are

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Speaker 1: many guys in pro sports who can show up and

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Speaker 1: turn a franchise around. Like again, I'm recording this before

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Speaker 1: the Warriors game, but people talk about, like, oh, the

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Speaker 1: Warriors Steph curR. Like the Warriors when Stephen Curry got here,

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Speaker 1: We're a fucking joke. I mean, they were the Sacramento Kings.

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Speaker 1: They always lost Boom. He changed the franchise. Peyton Manning

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Speaker 1: changed the franchise right what Joe Burrow did in one year.

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Speaker 1: Listen at Oderon. I made fun of him that I

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Speaker 1: met him. I enjoyed hanging out with him at the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl party. But at Oseron was running out of

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Speaker 1: town pretty quickly after Joe Burrow left and l s

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Speaker 1: U who underachieved before he got there. Then he got

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Speaker 1: there and by a second year they became the greatest

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Speaker 1: college football team we've arguably we've ever seen. They're definitely

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Speaker 1: the greatest offense in college football history. One year fifty

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Speaker 1: to know all the points, all the records, all the talent.

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Speaker 1: I mean they got. They have a guy that led

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Speaker 1: the Bengals of Super Bowl, and they arguably have two

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Speaker 1: wide receivers that are like top four wide receivers in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. So yeah, man, I just I don't I agree.

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Speaker 1: Now I would say this about the Bengals, Mike Brown.

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Speaker 1: I feel a lot of people talk about the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: and I'm probably guilty historically, but with Marvin Lewis, like,

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Speaker 1: they were consistently pretty good. They went to the playoffs

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Speaker 1: a lot. They had a lot of really good players.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they were very very successful with Carson Palmer

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Speaker 1: and Andy Dalton. So like it's argy now, they had

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Speaker 1: been losing. That's why he was the number one overall pick,

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Speaker 1: and then the second year after he got hurt, they

793
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Speaker 1: were the number five year old pick to get jam

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Speaker 1: Mar Chase. When you look at the franchise, I think

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Speaker 1: they're more competitive than we give them credit for. The

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Speaker 1: Brown said they needed a grown up in the room

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Speaker 1: and then traded a ship ton of draft capital and

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Speaker 1: committed uh Ghana's g d P to a guy with

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Speaker 1: more sexual assault acquisation accusations than I can count. The

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Speaker 1: hypocrisy is comical, so typical of the franchise. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean I think it's a double whammy. I think it

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Speaker 1: speaks to they did not like Baker Mayfield at all,

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Speaker 1: and then they had the chance to get a very

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Speaker 1: talented quarter back in their owner just doesn't give a ship.

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00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: He was willing to make the risk, and right now

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Speaker 1: I think most people think it's insane because it has

807
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: not gone well for them at all. Hey, John, big

808
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Speaker 1: fan of the show. Now that Deshaun Watson's lawyer, Rusty

809
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: Harden came out and basically validated all the allegations along

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Speaker 1: with the victim coming out, do you think the Browns

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Speaker 1: regret their decision of trading for him and wish they

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Speaker 1: could go back in time and never do it keep

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Speaker 1: up the good work. Well, the reality is, whoever would

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Speaker 1: have traded for Deshaun Watson, whether the like if it

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Speaker 1: ultimately wasn't about the money in the sense of, let's

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Speaker 1: say the Browns were never gonna give him that big

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Speaker 1: of a contract, and his contract just would have been

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Speaker 1: a normal, sweet quarterback contract like Dak Prescott, some hundred

819
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Speaker 1: sixty million dollar contract extension instead of the two M thirty,

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Speaker 1: if he was on the Falcons, if he was on

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Speaker 1: the Saints. I'm trying to think, who are the other

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Speaker 1: teams that were in the mixed trading for him Salcon,

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Speaker 1: I guess it was Falcon, Saints Panthers was with the

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Speaker 1: other team. I can't even remember now so much has happened.

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Speaker 1: I think they all would have immediately regretted it. I

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Speaker 1: think it's worse because they gave all the picks, which

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Speaker 1: I think what three first rounders, a couple of twos

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Speaker 1: and two or thirty million dollars. But it's just gonna

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Speaker 1: be hard to shake, and I I don't know, man.

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Speaker 1: It every week a female gets added. Every week, there's

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Speaker 1: a new massage therapist that comes forward. Every week, there's

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Speaker 1: this claim like, yeah, he was paying a guy that

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Speaker 1: ran the masseuses to funnel him new once. And it's

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Speaker 1: just I don't know how you avoid the situation not

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Speaker 1: getting worse, because every time you think it might end,

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Speaker 1: it never ends. Ever, it just keeps on going. Quick

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Speaker 1: question as a Broncho fan, why does Trevor Lawrence as

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Speaker 1: a first overall pick, get a pass for not lighting

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Speaker 1: it up? Under urban but Drew Lock doesn't get a

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Speaker 1: pass for a second round pick under Sherman's pathetic excuse

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Speaker 1: for an offense. He looked good at times in Skan

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Speaker 1: when Skan Guarrella was the o C just saying well,

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Speaker 1: Drew Locks been in the league for this is going

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Speaker 1: on his fourth season, so he started under several people,

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Speaker 1: and then he could not beat out Teddy two yards.

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Speaker 1: Teddy two Yards couldn't beat him out. Couldn't happen, and

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Speaker 1: I thought it was crazy. But turns out Drew Locks

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Speaker 1: is not better than so Trevor Lawrence has been in

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Speaker 1: the seat, has been in the NFL for one year.

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Speaker 1: The other thing, the reason we talked about the Broncos

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Speaker 1: potentially being good and Russell Wilson being able to say

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Speaker 1: the franchise because they got all this talent on the team.

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Speaker 1: They got a really good offensive line, they got a

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Speaker 1: stud running back, they got multiple wide receivers. Drew Lock

855
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: couldn't do anything. And then we look at the Jags,

856
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 1: we go, is Urban the worst coach we've ever seen?

857
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: Is this guy a complete fraud? And the answers you

858
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: get kind of for for the NFL, great college coach,

859
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: complete NFL fraud completely over his skis. Then you factored

860
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Speaker 1: in there the jail eggs and all they do is lose,

861
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Speaker 1: And then in fact you're in like who the hell

862
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Speaker 1: was he playing with? So his coach had no clue

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Speaker 1: what he was doing. His offensive coordinators were like Schottenheimer

864
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Speaker 1: and Bevel, a couple of guys that Russell Wilson and

865
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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll ran out of town. And then the talent

866
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Speaker 1: around him was below average at best. So no one's

867
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Speaker 1: given him a pass. You could argue it did not

868
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Speaker 1: go well. No one argues that. But he had one

869
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Speaker 1: season for the joke and I mean the joke Jacks.

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Speaker 1: Now will that change under Doug? I think now we'll

871
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Speaker 1: start evaluating him with a real NFL coach, some real

872
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: talent around him. But yeah, I think people are gonna

873
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Speaker 1: evaluate him critically these next couple of years. If after

874
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Speaker 1: three seasons, like Drew Lock, he has similar stuff, it's

875
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Speaker 1: not going well, they're not winning, he doesn't look good.

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Speaker 1: Everyone will question him. That's a fact. I think I

877
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Speaker 1: answered this question without actually answering the question. But let's

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Speaker 1: do this again. Can you explain why you think Philip

879
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 1: Rivers would be great in the Booth. I'm fading that hard.

880
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: He is such a nerd. His PG rated trash talk

881
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: on the field was so cringe worthy. Well, I think

882
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: I talked about this on a previous podcast. You don't

883
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: swear on CBS, ABC or Fox. You're not allowed to.

884
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: There are rules. So even Jon Gruden, who swears all

885
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: the time, when he was on Monday Night Football, he

886
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 1: did not cuss. So not swearing on the football field

887
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: doesn't matter because you can't swear on television. Now, if

888
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: he went to Amazon, maybe the rules there are differently,

889
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: but I don't The NFL wouldn't want him cussing. Now

890
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: obviously he wouldn't either. Have you just watched him talk

891
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: about football and interact with people. His passion, his enthusiasm,

892
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: his energy. That's what this is. Do you have the

893
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: enthusiasm and energy and then he factor in, Like, let's

894
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: face it, he's a massive, massive name. I watched guys

895
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: call football games who were mediocre NFL players. Now, obviously,

896
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 1: to get to the NFL, you're an excellent football player.

897
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: But relative to his peers, there are a lot of

898
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Speaker 1: guys calling football games who are just average guys. Some

899
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: guys were above average, but most guys were not quote

900
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Speaker 1: unquote stars, because most stars don't end up calling games.

901
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: Aikman would be somewhat of an outlier. But if Troy

902
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: Aikman had played in the modern day NFL, he would

903
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: have made two million dollars more and might not ever

904
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: have even called games in the first place when his

905
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: career ended. While he was very rich, he will know

906
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: where be nearly as rich as Peyton Manning or some

907
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: of these guys. Now. I think Philip Rivers would have

908
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: been fantastic on TV because of his energy, his understanding,

909
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: and mainly his love of football. I say it all

910
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: the time when people ask, like, how do you put

911
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: together a good podcast? How do you do this? I

912
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: think anytime you enjoy and love what you're talking about,

913
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: it it comes off and people listening. If I care

914
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: about what I'm talking about, so will you. I've said

915
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: over and over. Jon Gruden was a pretty fraudulent coach

916
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: when he returned, but one thing when you watched him

917
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: on TV, love him or hate him, you could always

918
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: feel the guy loved football. John Madden's main point of

919
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: difference was football meant everything to him. I think when

920
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: you watch the Manning Brothers, but specifically Peyton. You just go, God,

921
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: this guy loves football whenever Tom Brady. If you watch

922
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Speaker 1: Man in the arena, how much football means to him.

923
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Speaker 1: It's hard to not like, it's hard to turn off

924
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: Man in the Arena because you're watching Tom and it

925
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: permeates throughout the television. I think Philip Rivers would have

926
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Speaker 1: fallen out of that court category of just love of

927
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Speaker 1: the game, love being around the game. What did he

928
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 1: do when he retired? He became a high school football coach?

929
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Speaker 1: Do you know what Philip Rivers could have done? Anything

930
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: he wanted to do. It's like Jerry Jones has every

931
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: training camp to his team. I could be anywhere in

932
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: the world old, but I'm sitting here with you. You

933
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: know why because he loves the Dallas Cowboys. And you

934
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: know if Philip Rivers loves football, so I yeah, he

935
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Speaker 1: doesn't swear. I swear if I worked for Fox calling games,

936
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be allowed to do that. So that doesn't matter.

937
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Speaker 1: It's to me. It's his energy and his passion. He

938
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Speaker 1: would have been elite. My problem with Drew Brees was

939
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: not big enough personality. I said it from the jump.

940
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Speaker 1: I don't think Drew Brees a big swear. I actually

941
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Speaker 1: Drew Brees like Philip Rivers, super high character guy. One

942
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: guy feels like a tenant and a tent on the

943
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: energy scale, the other guy feels like a four. That

944
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,959
Speaker 1: doesn't mean Drew Brees wasn't a great quarterback. That doesn't

945
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: mean he wasn't a great teammate. But when it comes

946
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: as being on television and entertaining us the consumer, you

947
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: gotta have more juice than I do on the couch

948
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: and if my team's playing, or I got a lot

949
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: of cash on the game, which let's face it, a

950
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: lot of people listening do we gamble on these games?

951
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: We watch these games we have that's a lot of

952
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: our energy and our time into these teams, whoever our

953
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: favorite team is just the sport of football. I need

954
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: the guy in television to feel like he's right there.

955
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: Say what you want about McAfee, and I'm not like

956
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: some loyal listener to him. But his energy jumps through

957
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: the radio or jumps through you the YouTube screen. It's elite,

958
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: and that's his point of difference. I think obviously his connection,

959
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: he knows a bunch of people in the NFL. He's popular.

960
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: I think his energy is second to none, and that

961
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: matters a lot. So I think Philip Rivers, I will

962
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: stand by this, would have been a star on television,

963
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: just like Peyton Manning is because both of them. When

964
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 1: you're addicted to something like those guys are addicted to football,

965
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: you can't hide it. It comes through. And I think

966
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: that's a huge reason that makes people great at television

967
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: or great at when they're talking about a sport or

968
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Speaker 1: calling games. They gotta love it as much as the

969
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: fan does it. And guess what the fan does typically

970
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: loves it a lot, and we don't you know for

971
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: most fans, like you make any money off it. You

972
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: just yeah, it's a true passion of yours. And it's

973
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: nice when the guy on television feels like he's on

974
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Speaker 1: your level of love of what you're watching. Appreciate everyone listening.

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Speaker 1: Have a good day, have a good week. We have

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Speaker 1: a golf podcast out Wednesday, another football podcast out Friday.

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Speaker 1: To keep rocking and rolling. Audios volume