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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're high

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Speaker 1: tailing it from La to Indy.

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Speaker 2: See ya, soccer girlies. Time to kick it with the Hoopers.

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Speaker 2: All Star Weekend here we come.

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Speaker 1: It's Thursday, July seventeenth, and on today's show, we're skipping

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Speaker 1: the need to know and getting straight to my conversation

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Speaker 1: with the icon.

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Speaker 2: The legend, gold medalist.

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Speaker 1: And two time World Cup champion Meghan Rappino I caught

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Speaker 1: up with the freshly forty pino for a little belated

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Speaker 1: birthday chat. We talked about what's on her decade to

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Speaker 1: do list, what it's really like co hosting a podcast

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Speaker 1: with fiance subd, what gets lost when athletes don't use

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Speaker 1: their voices, and how she handles being a target for

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Speaker 1: far right foolishness. Plus a drag Unicorn and a Cheetah

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Speaker 1: Girls dance party, a recap of the US women's national

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Speaker 1: team players Ball and Alec The Morgan, Crystal Dunn and

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Speaker 1: Emily Fox reminisce about.

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Speaker 2: A group of greats hanging them up. It's all coming

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Speaker 2: up right after this.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is it's the belated birthday bitch herself.

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Speaker 1: She's one of the most decorated, celebrated, venerated, caffeinated, oft imitated,

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Speaker 1: but never duplicated women's soccer players ever. A three time

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Speaker 1: Olympian and twenty twelve Olympic gold medalist, two time World

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Speaker 1: Cup winner and one time World Cup runner up. In

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, she won the Ballon d'Or feminine, the FIFA

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Speaker 1: Women's role Player of the Year, and the Sports Illustrated

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Speaker 1: Sportsperson of the Year. A three time NWSL Shield winner

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Speaker 1: with the Seattle rain who retired her number fifteen jersey,

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Speaker 1: She's won half of a touch more.

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Speaker 2: The podcast with Sue Bird.

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Speaker 1: She's a fashionista, a trendsetter, a tireless advocate and activist,

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Speaker 1: a former time one hundred Most Influential People, and a

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Speaker 1: recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom back when being

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Speaker 1: president actually meant something. She yiaded her achilles in her

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Speaker 1: final game, and now she has her site set out

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Speaker 1: nothing less than world domination. We presume Pino Bird twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty eight. It's Meghan Rapino.

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Speaker 2: Hi Peno, Hi hi, Hi wow. What an introduction. Oh

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Speaker 2: my goodness. I mean, you got to really cut that down.

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Speaker 1: There is too much to say about you, and now

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Speaker 1: you are on the rights of forty.

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Speaker 2: Happy belated birthday, Thank you, thank you. It feels good

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Speaker 2: over here, feels good. It really does.

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Speaker 1: I used to think old people were lying, and I'm like, no,

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Speaker 1: I get it now. And I was gonna tell you

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Speaker 1: my advice for all people who are newly forty, which

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Speaker 1: is basically that everything other than your body falling apart

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Speaker 1: is better on this side, and you give zero fix.

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Speaker 2: But the problem is you've always given zero fix.

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Speaker 1: So I'm actually slightly concerned about what Meghan Rapino post

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Speaker 3: Like About'm probably giving a couple more fix, oh, in

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Speaker 3: different places, which is good. You know, I'm getting my

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Speaker 3: seasoning is maturing in my older age. But yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean I'm still just like what it was, what's happening?

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Speaker 3: That's happening? What are we doing?

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Speaker 1: Like a fine wine, you could say, which is actually

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Speaker 1: where you celebrated your birthday? In one of my happy places,

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Speaker 1: It's where I had my bachelorette it's where my husband

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Speaker 3: Oh it was Sue Bird did a number on the

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Speaker 2: It was so nice. It was so chill.

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Speaker 3: It like you know, when like your vacation actually matches

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Speaker 3: It's like it's good you've blocked things out, so like

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Speaker 3: that was good about it. The weather was perfect. I

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Speaker 3: winery sort of like late morning, early afternoon pool time,

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Speaker 3: great dinners every night. Got to experience the French laundry

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Speaker 3: You know some of those places, like those fancy dancy places,

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Speaker 1: I always call him a foam and a splooge place

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Speaker 3: It's like it ends up being like the foam that

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Speaker 3: So like slow pace and chill and obviously drank some

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Speaker 3: Gosh, it's probably just like all the working out.

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Speaker 3: I'm just like I can still do some stuff, like

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Speaker 2: The most washing me.

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Speaker 2: That's definitely the most wash part about me. Nothing better

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Speaker 3: Right now I feel And it took me a little

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Speaker 2: Yeah. On that note, what do you miss the most

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Speaker 2: Have that moment those That's the only thing I would

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Speaker 1: I've listened to Glennan Doyle and Aby Wambach on their

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Speaker 1: And either way, you're pumping cortisol NonStop, which like ultimately

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Speaker 2: So that's why cooking is so nice.

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Speaker 1: Right after this, A lot of your teammates former teammates

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Speaker 3: I don't even think that's like a controversial thing to

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Speaker 3: I think things have gotten a lot better, Like Okay,

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Speaker 2: The business of it.

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Speaker 3: Because while things have gotten better, of course now it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: So I think they'll find their ways into the thing

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Speaker 2: Like that that's just natural.

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Speaker 3: So I think that would like if I would have

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Speaker 3: but like the less you do, the worse it will

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Speaker 2: It's whether you own it or not.

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Speaker 3: So like you can either own it all and have

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Speaker 2: But like, no matter what, like it's yours.

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Speaker 1: as like the larger political landscape is changing so drastically

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Speaker 1: with the new administration, is that they always warned that

443
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Speaker 1: in political times of what feel like calm for those

444
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Speaker 1: whose party is in power and who things are going

445
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Speaker 1: well for, there does tend to be a relaxing and

446
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Speaker 1: during that time, you sort of think everything's fixed without

447
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Speaker 1: recognizing that the other side is working double time to

448
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Speaker 1: get back.

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Speaker 2: And that's when ree View Wade gets overturned.

450
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Speaker 1: And that's when this administration starts taking things back that

451
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Speaker 1: we've sort of started taking for granted. So sometimes in

452
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Speaker 1: the calm moments is actually when you need to be

453
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Speaker 1: working double hard to get things passed while the things

454
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Speaker 1: that are in place, people that are in place are

455
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Speaker 1: more likely to be amenable to it. And so right

456
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Speaker 1: now it feels like we're so overwhelmed by the millions

457
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Speaker 1: of things that are going wrong, and I'm thinking, man,

458
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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, we should have been pushing

459
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Speaker 1: for even more of the things that we wanted so

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Speaker 1: that it'd be harder for them to claw them back,

461
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Speaker 1: which is something to consider for women athletes right now,

462
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Speaker 1: as we worry about like what's what's to come? I

463
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Speaker 1: wonder you know, you're such an incredible voice for progressive women,

464
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Speaker 1: pushing us to demand more and expect more and deserve more.

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Speaker 1: And I've told you this before, but I look up

466
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Speaker 1: to you so much because I need women who are

467
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Speaker 1: even bolder than I am, who are even more fearless

468
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Speaker 1: than I am, who are even more out ahead of

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Speaker 1: things than I am, because I feel like I am,

470
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Speaker 1: and I still get scared sometimes or still feel like

471
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Speaker 1: I need to step back sometimes.

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Speaker 2: When, if ever, have you.

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Speaker 1: Felt scared or nervous about standing up for yourself or

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Speaker 1: marginalized groups for whom you advocate.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's always like in the mix.

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Speaker 3: Some for sure, you're always sort of like making the calculation.

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Speaker 2: I think for me it's like do I believe in

478
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Speaker 2: it or not?

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Speaker 3: And if I do, then it's going to be something

480
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Speaker 3: that I want to talk about and I want.

481
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Speaker 2: To stand for and I want to be there for.

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Speaker 3: I think the larger thing is like strategy. So I

483
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Speaker 3: think that you know, especially from twenty sixteen to twenty

484
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Speaker 3: there was like a particular strategy that was working. It

485
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Speaker 3: was bull it was up front, it was sort of

486
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Speaker 3: banging the drum, it was explicit. Maybe that's not working

487
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Speaker 3: as well or as much now, Okay, so how do

488
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Speaker 3: we shift strategy? I mean, I think there's a really

489
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Speaker 3: interesting opportunity right now for women's sports and for women

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Speaker 3: athletes and female athletes.

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Speaker 2: It's like the.

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Speaker 3: Tide of the country sort of moving more conservative, or

493
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Speaker 3: you could say that obviously with this administration and the

494
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Speaker 3: roll back of everything and just progressive values in general.

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Speaker 2: And yet women's sports is the.

496
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Speaker 3: Most popular thing that's happening right So everybody seems to

497
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Speaker 3: be fine with that.

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Speaker 2: They love going to watch the basketball games, they love

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Speaker 2: going to watch the national team.

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Speaker 3: So like, what is that opportunity that you can use

501
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Speaker 3: as a female athlete to say, like, Okay.

502
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Speaker 2: We're rolling back Roe v.

503
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Speaker 3: Wade or we're rolling back all of these rights, and

504
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Speaker 3: yet you still want to watch me play.

505
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Speaker 2: And yet you still want this to happen.

506
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Speaker 3: You still want your daughter to have the opportunity and

507
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Speaker 3: your son to have the opportunity to grow up in

508
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Speaker 3: this kind of world. So like you're still the role model.

509
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Speaker 3: And I think that's something that's so special about athletes,

510
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Speaker 3: like just by nature of sports, like you're setting the

511
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Speaker 3: right example, you're doing the right thing, you're trying your hardest,

512
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Speaker 3: you're working with your teammates, you're you know, having respect

513
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Speaker 3: for other people, you have discipline, you have joy, you're playing,

514
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Speaker 3: it's good for your body, all of these things.

515
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Speaker 2: So I think that's how I.

516
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Speaker 3: Encourage athletes now, because it is daunting. I mean, I

517
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Speaker 3: think it's daunting for me personally, it's daunting just in general.

518
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Speaker 3: It's like such a flood of just insanity and horror,

519
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Speaker 3: quite frankly, And so, how do we use the thing

520
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Speaker 3: that has always been our best skill and our most

521
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Speaker 3: important thing in our biggest cudgel?

522
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Speaker 2: Really?

523
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Speaker 3: How do we continue to use that to talk about

524
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Speaker 3: the things we care about and to articulate and narrate

525
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Speaker 3: the world we want to live in, not necessarily trying

526
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Speaker 3: to combat everything that we're experiencing right now.

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Speaker 1: Well, and to your point of it being a cudgel,

528
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Speaker 1: I think leagues can use it by telling places, hey,

529
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Speaker 1: we're not bringing a team, an expansion team to your city,

530
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Speaker 1: a city where women do not have control of their

531
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Speaker 1: own health care decisions. We do not feel comfortable in

532
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Speaker 1: a sport that drafts players somewhere where they don't choose

533
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Speaker 1: to go, where they will not be in control of

534
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Speaker 1: what they do with their bodies. And I think there

535
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Speaker 1: can be certainly some discussions about safety and otherwise that

536
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Speaker 1: can help them use it to say, you're not getting

537
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Speaker 1: the revenue and the attention and the excitement that our

538
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Speaker 1: league would bring to you unless you start to address

539
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Speaker 1: some of the ways that you're not a safe place

540
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Speaker 1: for women.

541
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Speaker 2: And also just like provide the games in general.

542
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Speaker 3: The experience and the fanfare and the environment that is

543
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Speaker 3: women's sports leagues and is categorically different, and it's expressive

544
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Speaker 3: and it's radical. It always has been and always will be.

545
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Speaker 3: So that's just like almost like a safe space within

546
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Speaker 3: a city. Like I'm going, you know, to the Kansas

547
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Speaker 3: City game. I'm like, I love that I'm going to

548
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Speaker 3: that game.

549
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Speaker 2: I'm going to feel safe.

550
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Speaker 3: I'm going to express myself and I'm going to be

551
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Speaker 3: able to show up with my friends, my family, whatever

552
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Speaker 3: that looks like. I think those spaces are really important

553
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 3: to just to exist in jail and to protect as

554
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 3: more money comes in, as more owners come in that

555
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 3: are from the men's leagues with the money as opposed

556
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Speaker 3: to maybe being endemic to the women's space, making sure

557
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Speaker 3: that they still protect an honor.

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Speaker 1: And center of the players in the way that it

559
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Speaker 1: has been. You are still treated like a target by

560
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Speaker 1: the far right. They love me, and because of the

561
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: current extremely media landscape, your name is often invoked as

562
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Speaker 1: a way to signal wokeness with tons of literal fake

563
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Speaker 1: news headlines like Megan Rappino disqualified from Pro Soccer Hall

564
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Speaker 1: of Fame, which you know not true.

565
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Speaker 2: How do you deal with this?

566
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Speaker 1: Do you have a strategy Like if a family member's like.

567
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: Hey, did you see this?

568
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: Or if you happen upon something, or if you, god forbid,

569
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: accidentally read the comments, which I literally never do.

570
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Speaker 2: What how do you even process and deal with it?

571
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Speaker 2: You know?

572
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Speaker 1: I learned this very early on after kneeling, and I

573
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: feel like it was just such an epiphany for Kaepernick.

574
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Speaker 1: For those who don't remember, yeah, yeah, kneeling with Colin Kaepernick.

575
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Speaker 3: It was such an epiphany moment for me, and it

576
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: was like, it's not real. This isn't real for me,

577
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: this isn't the world I live in. Sometimes it has

578
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 3: real life consequences, yes, but like the President tweeted at

579
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 3: me two different World Cups in a row, I had

580
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 3: the exact opposite performance in the World Cups and he

581
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 3: basically said the same thing. So I'm like, this isn't

582
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 3: this isn't real. Like the headline that I got kicked

583
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: out of a Guy Fieri restaurant that's obviously fake.

584
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Speaker 2: And like kind of funny.

585
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Speaker 3: Too much doggy sauce, Yeah, too much, too many bleached

586
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 3: tips for both of us. I don't know what's happening.

587
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 3: I look at it like, what is actually happening? Like

588
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 3: some of the stuff. Yeah, Like I've had extra security

589
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 3: at games because there's death threats and we want to

590
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 3: be safe. But I think for the most part, like

591
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 3: a they talk about me because they're scared of me

592
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 3: and they don't like what I say, And I'm like

593
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 3: an avatar for this world that they don't want, which

594
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 3: is where people can be themselves and progressive ideals and

595
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 3: everybody can kind of go about their business, so they

596
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 3: sort of I see myself as like an avatar and

597
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 3: a real person. Like it's like I'm also like, what's

598
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 3: the opposite of wokeness, like a sleepness?

599
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Speaker 2: I'd rather not I'd rather be awake to it.

600
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Speaker 3: But I think my strategy really is just to like

601
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Speaker 3: stay rooted in reality. I'm amazing partner obviously in Sue

602
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 3: who keeps me grounded and family and people that I

603
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: work with, And I'm also like, what do I want

604
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 3: to say, like, I can't control what happens and in

605
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: the right wing sort of media sphere or when they

606
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 3: use me or when they don't, or what they say

607
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: about me, but I can control what I say, what

608
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 3: I'm messaging. I always feel like the more I am

609
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 3: mentioned over there, the closer I am to the white

610
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: hot center. That's usually how it goes. The more that

611
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: I'm onto something.

612
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: Or Yes, I feel the same way. There's a certain

613
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: site that it's like it always pings me. I have

614
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: a Google alert mainly for like this show or to

615
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 1: see if things get picked up. Yeah, and when I

616
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: get on there all the time for things unrelated to me,

617
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: but they have to make sure they squeeze my name

618
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: in there. I'm like, I'm in your freaking head, Yeah,

619
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: and you're so pissed because I'm getting it right and

620
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm hitting you where it hurts, and so You've got

621
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: to keep bringing me up and trying to take me down.

622
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: But to your point, it's not real. Yeah.

623
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: I think there's also a part of it which I

624
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 3: try to talk about this and like I think is

625
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: a real part of social media. There's like a huge

626
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: number of just fake accounts and their whole job is

627
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,959
Speaker 3: to either aren't the controversy themselves or I'm sure they

628
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 3: have a list of hot button words and it's probably

629
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Speaker 3: like Kaepernick, Mangarpino, Kaitlin Clark, WNBA, Angel Reese like whoever,

630
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 3: or trans athletes, trans athletes, god forbid the like one

631
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 3: kid in Louisiana, I want to play softball whatever.

632
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Speaker 2: I think, Like, those things are very real.

633
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 3: So it's like, what is really happening, Like, Okay, a

634
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 3: narrative or a headline is popping off, Okay, like where

635
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 3: did it come from? Who wrote about it? What's actually happening?

636
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: Where did it originate? Is it real?

637
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: Like is it actually real? You've experienced this a lot.

638
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: We've experienced this around women's sports, especially and particularly in

639
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: the W the last couple of years, a lot of

640
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 3: these like headlines started out fake and they have no

641
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: and it's like, it's not what the players feel, it's

642
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 3: not what actually happened for the players. It's not what's

643
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 3: happening in in arena. It's not always happening to the fans.

644
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 3: So I think for us all to be really aware

645
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: of that and have a really healthy dose of skepticism

646
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 3: when it comes to social media in particular, and the

647
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: social media companies aren't doing anything really because it's driving

648
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 3: numbers and that's sort of what they care about. They're

649
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 3: not really doing anything to steymy it, so like we

650
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 3: have to be aware of it.

651
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658
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Speaker 1: The dynamic between athletes and media, the idea of trying

659
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Speaker 1: to cover it all but focus on the things that

660
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Speaker 1: you care about too, Like, as you become media, what

661
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: are you learning? Oh gosh, the experience of being a

662
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: podcaster is so funny, Like all the time.

663
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 3: Soon I look at each other and we're like, what

664
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,479
Speaker 3: is happening? Who signed us up for this? And then

665
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: we're like, oh my god, we did. It's been a

666
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: total learning curve. It's been really hard times because we

667
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 3: went from like being the one interviewed. It's so easy

668
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 3: to answer questions and say what you think and feel

669
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: and someone asks you what you think and feel and

670
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: at least yeah, now I'm having to show up and

671
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,719
Speaker 3: be like, wait, I have to like bring up what

672
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 3: I want to say and what I feel, and like,

673
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 3: you know, round it.

674
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 2: Out, do some research, do some research. Yeah.

675
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 3: So we you know, we want ultimately to do justice

676
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 3: to the place that we love the most, which is

677
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: women's sports, and we want to talk about it obviously

678
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 3: from our perspective. I think we both have such a

679
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 3: unique perspective just having played so long, but in this

680
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 3: era when it went from what it went from when

681
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 3: I was, you know, twenty two to what it is now,

682
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 3: like we've seen an unbelievable expansion and growth from from

683
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: every different metric, So like how are we seeing it?

684
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 3: We know so many of the ins and outs of

685
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 3: like how we got here and how you know, from

686
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 3: five years ago, this is exactly why we're here and

687
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 3: this is where we're going in five years, and then

688
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 3: we want to like be respectful of the place, like

689
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: so many of these players are our friends and like

690
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 3: people who we you know, really respect, and it's like

691
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: it's hard to be like, oh, this player's not playing well,

692
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 3: or I want to see this more or comment on

693
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 3: you know, things that are happening. We don't want to

694
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 3: be the like salacious goss but also like we want

695
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 3: a fun, entertaining show, and I think there's room for

696
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 3: all of it. And I love seeing what's happening just

697
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: in like the women's sports media landscape. There's so many

698
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 3: players coming in. Your pod is one of them.

699
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: I told you that, I absolutely love it. Like we

700
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: need it all.

701
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 3: We need the commentary, we need the journalism, we need

702
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 3: the entertainment, we need the former players, and so we

703
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 3: just try to like bring our perspective, be honest, talk

704
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 3: about the game in a way that we would have

705
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 3: wanted talked about, and the things that interest us. And

706
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: then obviously there's our unique relationship aspect about it.

707
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: And it's like we're Sharon.

708
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: Vicker's and we're cracking love and like we're we're doing

709
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: this podcast together and it's like the Hull Air and

710
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: we're both trying to figure it out and sort of

711
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: waiting our way into retirement, you know, one big step

712
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: at a time.

713
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: I'm almost always a sue. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I

714
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: need a sue to be a me.

715
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: We got to take a quick break more with Pino.

716
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: Right after this, you and Sue are a ridiculous power couple.

717
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: Obviously your combined powers are enviable, but it's got to

718
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: be complicated to to work and live together and also

719
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: to be making sure that you yourself. Do you ever

720
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: have to remind folks like, hey, we're two separate people.

721
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes this offers for me and sometimes it's for her.

722
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes this job or this opportunity is something I should do,

723
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: but I'm not bringing her, or this isn't a right

724
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: fit for her.

725
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: Does that happen a lot.

726
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, and definitely something that we've had to

727
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 3: navigate and evolve and like strategize around. Frankly, over the

728
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 3: course of our relationship. I feel like when we first

729
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 3: got together it was like, yeah, we're both just sort

730
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 3: of there, but neither of us like you know, wildly

731
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 3: popular or women's sports was just in a totally different place.

732
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 3: And then for so long we were playing, so we

733
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 3: sort of naturally had this break between who we were

734
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 3: and we got to have a really big individual space.

735
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 3: And I definitely noticed, you know, when we both were

736
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: retired and around that time, it was just like I

737
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 3: could see how easy it would be and it would

738
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 3: have been, and how much people want that they want

739
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 3: Sue in Meghan. They want, you know, whether it's a

740
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: power couple or because we're gay, or because we're.

741
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: Never Megan and Sue.

742
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always souone Meg. You gotta get the shorter

743
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 3: one in there first. And we've talked a lot, both

744
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 3: personally with our couple's therapists, but also with our team

745
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 3: and with the people we do business with, like let's

746
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: be really strategic about where this makes more sense for Megan,

747
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 3: where this makes more sense for Sue, and then being

748
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 3: really specific about where the overlap and obviously the POD

749
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: is such a big part of that, but it's like

750
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 3: I want to have my own life also, and Sue

751
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: wants to have her own life also, and there's things

752
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 3: that like she does that I could never do and

753
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 3: would never want to do, and vice versa, and just

754
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 3: being like really thoughtful about that, so like ultimately we

755
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: can get the best out of ourselves and still have

756
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 3: you know, at the end of the day, we're professional athletes,

757
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: like our egos are there. We need that sort of

758
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 3: like personal space and time for ourselves. It's really important

759
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: and I think just from a personal perspective, like we're

760
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: working together, that's very different. We're used to, you know,

761
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 3: being on separate teams and traveling, so like, where's the

762
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 3: time for just myself, for just Sue, And then where's

763
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 3: the time just for us as a couple outside of work.

764
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 3: You know, it's like, especially when it's this kind of

765
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: work and it's all kind of remote and it's like

766
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 3: kind of always happening at the same time, and it

767
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: can always sort of be happening, So trying to be

768
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: really thoughtful about where we just really put it down

769
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 3: and you know, turn the mic off and get to

770
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: just bes.

771
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of being you, you got engaged in twenty twenty,

772
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: no pressure or anything.

773
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 2: You're allowed to have a private life. But is there

774
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 2: a date for the wedding?

775
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: Did you already get married and you're just gonna like

776
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: sneaky style drop wife in an interview like Tobin and

777
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: Kristen Just yeah, right.

778
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: I know.

779
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, have they been married for like two minutes

780
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: or two hundred minutes?

781
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: Right?

782
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 3: No, there's there's no date yet. I know everybody wants

783
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: the party.

784
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: I get it. I want to pass. I totally get it. No,

785
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: there's no date.

786
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 3: We're not married yet. I think if we got married,

787
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: we want to own it, and you know, I hope

788
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 3: so just because I'm almost kill me. Also, yeah, I

789
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 3: want to see all the photos of everyone there and

790
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 3: all the Yeah, I want the I want the like

791
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 3: live stream wedding like we got with the World Cup

792
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 3: win where it was just like several days.

793
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: Who was that that was?

794
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: I think it was Acelin, Yes, Ashelan and Alley Long,

795
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: Ashlin and Alley Long.

796
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: We're like the queens of giving us almost like a

797
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: forty eight straight hours of like now we're at the

798
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: pool and everyone's mostly dead, and now we're going at

799
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: Good Morning America and now we're on top of a bar.

800
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: That's what I want for the wedding. It's just a

801
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: small ass.

802
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: Just give us all forty eight straight hours of insight

803
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: into your personal Oh yeah, exactly what else are you

804
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 1: working on besides the pod? And how do you decide

805
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: what to say yes too? Because to your point, you've

806
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: probably been asked a million things and your time could

807
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: be taken up every moment while also trying to say, like,

808
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: hey do I like flowers and bird watching?

809
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I started developing my no button while I was

810
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 3: while I was playing I think, you know, having the

811
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: experience of twenty nineteen and that, like lightning in a bottle,

812
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 3: said yes to so much, don't regret any of it.

813
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: And then I was like, whoa, you cannot say yes

814
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: this much.

815
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 3: This is nuts unless I had like literally four four

816
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 3: other like clones of myself.

817
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, the twin needs to be more identical. Oh that's

818
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: whe gosh.

819
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 3: That would that would really I'm like, it's fifty to fifty,

820
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 3: go like, let's just go for it. I wish, I wish.

821
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 3: I think now I'm like, what do I really like?

822
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 3: What am I passionate about? What do I really want

823
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 3: to do that I'm going to be excited about spending

824
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 3: my time on. I still have a great partnership with Nike,

825
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 3: which I'm able to get in there and do some

826
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 3: designing and like use the kind of like creative branding

827
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 3: stuff that I love so much. Actually going to the

828
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 3: euro Final with Nike, so that's going to be exciting.

829
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: Cannot wait. I think some stuff is just like does

830
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: it move me?

831
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 3: You know, like some whether it's it's not really so

832
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 3: much about money. I mean at some point, like a

833
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 3: certain price tag is like yes, I'm getting on that plane.

834
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 3: But at some points, like Do I care about this?

835
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 3: Do I like doing this is something that I'm interested?

836
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 3: Do I like this person? Do I like what they're about?

837
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of that. And then it's like

838
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 3: I'm framing it right now in the way of like, yeah,

839
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 3: is this going to like add to my life or

840
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: is this taking away from something that I actually want

841
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 3: to do, whether it's like a walk or not travel

842
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 3: or cooking or doing something else. And being thoughtful about

843
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: like just carving time out to do nothing thing I

844
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: think is really hard for me and really hard for athletes,

845
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 3: but I'm like getting a little bit better at it

846
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 3: and kind of seeing the benefits that you can have.

847
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: I interviewed this guy years ago, and I took away

848
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: this one piece of advice that I really try to

849
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: apply and I'm very bad at it, but I'm working

850
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: on it, which is, when you say yes to something,

851
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 1: make sure you understand you're saying no to something else.

852
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: And so if you want to do it, that's fine,

853
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: but like it could like you said, just be no

854
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: to taking a walk or taking a nap or watching

855
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: a television show you like or something, and so if

856
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: you do it too often, you end up saying no

857
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: to all those other things that feel unscheduled but only

858
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: happen if you don't have.

859
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: Something on the schedule. So I've been working on that.

860
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: Speaking of we've taken up too much of your time.

861
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: So last two, this one's real easy. What's on your

862
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: to do list for this decade in your forties?

863
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 2: What's the big what's the big to do list? Oh,

864
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 2: the big to do list?

865
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: Or something being out there, something huge, something unreachable, something

866
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: embarrassing if it doesn't happen because it's such a big want.

867
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, Well, I want to become really good at photography.

868
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: I've just bought my first camera, like actually like film camera,

869
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like looking at it over there.

870
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, it's hard. I like really don't know

871
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 3: what I'm doing.

872
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: Like like you want to go in a dark room

873
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: and all that. Yeah, I want to do the whole thing.

874
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: I want to like become actually good at It's like

875
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 3: you travel so much.

876
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 2: You have you know, you got a phone, you take pictures,

877
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: they never go anywhere.

878
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 3: That is like a fun thing that I want to do.

879
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Speaker 3: And then oh man, I mean it's it's like I

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Speaker 3: just still want to do the world domination thing. I

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Speaker 3: want to be one of the places and build something

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Speaker 3: that can be one of the places where women's sports

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Speaker 3: like can really live branding, marketing, growth, like the creative

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Speaker 3: guidance and sort of like architecture of this next phase

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Speaker 3: in women's sports.

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Speaker 2: That's like what I really am passionate. Oh I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: I just got so excited for you to do that.

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Speaker 2: Get on it. Okay, and then last question.

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Speaker 1: Your show always uh asks people being interviewed bench Stark cut.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna make you do our version, which is good, gooder,

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Speaker 1: gooddest in honor of good gudest. Okay, so good good er, goodest,

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Speaker 1: Sam Coffee's t shirt, tuck, Lynn Biandolo's leg sleeve, and

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Speaker 1: Laura Harvey's cooler chair.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, I mean I'm cutting the legs sleeve because

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Speaker 3: I'm just like, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't cut anything.

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Speaker 1: Thankfully, we're a little kind of you say, Okay, just

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Speaker 1: good legs leaves.

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Speaker 2: Good, It's fine. And then gooder.

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Speaker 3: I'm going with the tuck because that's just like so funny.

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Speaker 3: If the cooler wasn't in here, that would be.

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Speaker 2: In the Gooddest. The tuck is just so Sam too.

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Speaker 3: It's like I am ready prepared, professional, and I'm going

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Speaker 3: to score some goals and do this.

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Speaker 2: I love it so much. It's so good. It's just

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Speaker 2: like hilarious to me. And I love when people.

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Speaker 3: Have like self expression whatever that is in a very

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Speaker 3: uniform scenario. And then of course the cooler because she's

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Speaker 3: over there probably motherfucking someone or another buck to something

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Speaker 3: or having a winge about something or just strategizing. It's

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Speaker 3: like it's a tough job. She needs to take a

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Speaker 3: load off. Sometimes it's hot out there the turf.

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Speaker 2: It's tough.

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Speaker 3: Like she kind of sit it down so she can

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Speaker 3: get into her brain and obviously Harve's best to ever

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Speaker 3: do it, so gotta go that the gooddest.

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Speaker 1: I hope when she sits she like me, goes, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: she probably does.

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Speaker 2: She's over forty, She's.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh she's ready high for a seat, Megan. As

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Speaker 1: you can tell, I could talk to you for literally hours.

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Speaker 1: I'm very proud of myself because I am so obsessed

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Speaker 1: with you. I both consider you a friend and someone

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Speaker 1: I will just follow around like a little puppy because

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Speaker 1: I think you're the fucking best.

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Speaker 2: So thank you so much for this time. Yeah, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for having me on Big Fan. Thanks

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Speaker 2: so much to Megan for taking the time. Always so

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Speaker 2: good to catch up. We got to take another break

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Speaker 2: when we come back.

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Speaker 1: Dispatches from the Purple Carpet Welcome back slics. On Tuesday night,

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Speaker 1: I got to attend the US Women's National Team Players

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Speaker 1: Ball in LA, which is an annual big old bash

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Speaker 1: that they have this time to celebrate some newly retired players,

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Speaker 1: some fresh faces getting their first national team caps, and

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Speaker 1: forty years of the US women's national team. Hard to

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Speaker 1: believe it's been forty years. The event was actually originally

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Speaker 1: scheduled for back in January, but they had to push

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Speaker 1: it back because of the LA wildfires. So just major

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Speaker 1: shouts to the Players Association, bec Aru, Anny Reid, everyone

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Speaker 1: else behind the scenes for really working to make it

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Speaker 1: happen this week and make sure that the players got

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Speaker 1: their due and got to have this moment to celebrate.

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Speaker 1: The room was such a fun group of people, so

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Speaker 1: many friends of the show there, Comedian Aaron Foley, actor

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Speaker 1: Er Fight Master, agent Alison Gaylor, El Duncan and Andrea

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Speaker 1: Carter from ESPN, Abby Wambach, Tierna Davidson, Sydney.

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Speaker 2: LaRue, Ali Reiley, Lauren Holiday.

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Speaker 1: So many folks that have been on the show were there,

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Speaker 1: also our friends Sam UIs and Meghan Klingenberg. They were

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Speaker 1: actually honored alongside fellow retirees Alex Morgan, Kelly O'Hara and

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Speaker 1: Tobin Heath. And there was a ten year anniversary celebration

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Speaker 1: of the World Cup Team two from twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 2: So it was just a really great night.

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Speaker 1: It was a blast catching up with so many friends

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Speaker 1: from across the footy and women's sports space, and it's

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Speaker 1: always just fun watching the players get all glammed up

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Speaker 1: and let loose a little bit. Sadly, there was no

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Speaker 1: Roose Levelt performance this year, despite several requests from me,

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Speaker 1: but she did change into slippers midway through the party

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Speaker 1: and hop on stage with Crystal Dunn, Lynd Bian Doolo

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Speaker 1: and some others for a little dance party to the

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Speaker 1: Cheetah Girls song Strut. You may remember that was sort

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Speaker 1: of the song of the Summer Games for the gold

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Speaker 1: medal winners in Paris. A lot of US sing alongs

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Speaker 1: that made their way to social media last year of

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Speaker 1: that Cheetah Girls song.

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Speaker 2: Leslie Jones hosted the event.

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Speaker 1: There was also a performance from drag Queen glitteris Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you heard that right, including a very rousing rendition of

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Speaker 1: Pig Pony Club complete with a maine and a unicorn horn,

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Speaker 1: which was.

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Speaker 2: A lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Before the party got going, I took a second to

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Speaker 1: chat with a couple of players about the retiring legends

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Speaker 1: getting honored, including talking to Crystal Dunn, who spoke about

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Speaker 1: the lasting impact of one of our faves, Sam Ewis.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen.

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Speaker 6: Sam has been someone who's been on my journey for

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Speaker 6: a very long time with me. We've played on so

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Speaker 6: many youth national teams together, obviously on the full team together,

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Speaker 6: and a bit of club obviously at North Carolina. And

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Speaker 6: she's even so much to the game. She is such

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Speaker 6: a light in every room that she walks into, and

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Speaker 6: she's just an amazing teammate. And I think, you know,

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Speaker 6: when you step away from the game, I think I am.

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Speaker 6: I hope she's most proud of the fact that she's

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Speaker 6: made such an impact in everybody's life.

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Speaker 1: And I caught up with Emily Fox, who said she'll

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Speaker 1: remember this retiring group of players as a huge force

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Speaker 1: for equality here.

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Speaker 4: She is, I mean, really just like their legacy and

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Speaker 4: will pay lawsuit in terms of like all of them

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Speaker 4: and effort that they put in to make that possible

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Speaker 4: for all of us. I feel like people still don't

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Speaker 4: realize how big of the deal that is.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like I'm constantly reminded.

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Speaker 4: Every day, like how lucky we are because of them.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say lucky, but just fortunate that they gave

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Speaker 2: us that.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, And I even chatted with one of the

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Speaker 1: retirees herself, Alex Morgan, who talked about taking the journey

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Speaker 1: from Newby to retiree with fellow honorees Becky Sower Brunt,

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Speaker 1: Tobin Heath, and Kelly O'Hara.

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Speaker 5: Here's Alex, was it twenty twelve, twenty eleven, Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 5: just like literally eyes wide open, being like, okay, what's

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Speaker 5: going on. We're all kind of the newbies here, and

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Speaker 5: now we're like done, we're retired, and just to think,

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Speaker 5: like more than fifteen years later, just having so much

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Speaker 5: fun with all of them for fifteen years and like

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Speaker 5: getting to know them on such like a deep level

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Speaker 5: and now just all us all going our own ways

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Speaker 5: and our own business ventures.

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Speaker 2: Just been a long journey but really fulfilling.

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Speaker 1: It was just a really fun, fabulous night, and it's

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Speaker 1: always so fun to see the greats get their due

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Speaker 1: and see such a big spectacle.

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Speaker 2: For women's sports and women's athletes.

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Speaker 1: The only regret I have is that last time I

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Speaker 1: went to the Player's Ball, I got a handful of

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Speaker 1: players and folks and attendance to make one of my

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Speaker 1: patented human pyramids.

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Speaker 2: This is something I like to do at parties.

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Speaker 1: And we all got on our knees, made the pyramid,

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Speaker 1: glam gowns and all.

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Speaker 2: And this year I forgot. So there's always next year.

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Speaker 2: I'll be back.

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Speaker 1: We love that you're listening, but we want you to

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Speaker 1: get in the game every day too, So here's our

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Speaker 1: good game play. At the day, we mentioned that we're

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Speaker 1: headed to Indy and producer Mesh is going to be

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Speaker 1: there too, part of a really cool event in downtown

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Speaker 1: India on Friday. They're going to be helping host a

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Speaker 1: roundtable discussion with former players from the Women's Professional Basketball

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Speaker 1: League aka the WBL. It was the first ever women's

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Speaker 1: pro basketball league in the US, and the event is

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Speaker 1: in tandem with the Can't Retire From This Project, which

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Speaker 1: is a women's hoops brand and community that Mesh is

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Speaker 1: part of so there's gonna be a workshop the event

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Speaker 1: where attendees can make their own basketball planners to take

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Speaker 1: home and house little plant babies, and food and drinks

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Speaker 1: will be there too, so if you're interested, you can

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Speaker 1: hit up Mesha's DMS for more info.

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Speaker 2: It is a free event and.

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Speaker 1: If you can't make that, Mesh will also be at

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Speaker 1: WNBA Live inside the Indiana Convention Center all day on

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Speaker 1: Saturday at the door dash booth, so you can grab

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Speaker 1: some tickets stop buy say hi.

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Speaker 2: We'll link to where you can purchase them in our

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Speaker 2: show notes.

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Speaker 1: And of course I'll be bouncing around all over Indy

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Speaker 1: for All Star as well my live interviews. One of

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Speaker 1: them has sold out and one of them is private,

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Speaker 1: so unfortunately I can't shout those out. But I will

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Speaker 1: be at plenty of other events and activations, so if

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Speaker 1: you see me, please make sure to say hi.

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Speaker 2: Because I love meat and slices in the wild.

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Speaker 1: We always love to hear from you, so hit us

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Speaker 1: four fifty seventy and don't forget to subscribe, rate and review.

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Speaker 1: I always tell y'all it's really easy watch enforcing vague

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Speaker 1: WNBA dress code rules, rating zero out of ten cool

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Speaker 1: points review. Friend of the Show Ben Pickman reported that

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Speaker 1: the WNBA issued fine warnings last week to New York

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Speaker 1: Liberty players Natasha Cloud and Isabel Harrison for wait for it,

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Speaker 1: wearing hats on the bench while sidelined with injury. Both

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Speaker 1: Cloud and Harrison were sitting out of the Liberty's home

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Speaker 1: victory over the Las Vegas Aces, and Cloud was wearing

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Speaker 1: a black hat that said Calm before the Storm, while

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Speaker 1: Harrison was wearing a white beret.

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Speaker 2: Cloud told Pickman she.

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Speaker 1: Didn't even know she could be penalized for wearing a

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Speaker 1: hat on the sideline of a game she was not

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Speaker 1: playing in, and she's clearly annoyed that the league is

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Speaker 1: enforcing the little known rule now. Not being transparent about

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Speaker 1: what the rules are, when they're enforced, and when players

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Speaker 1: are fined for infractions has been a topic of conversation

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Speaker 1: in the w for quite some time. Both coaches and

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Speaker 1: players want more clarity about the rules and when they're

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Speaker 1: being enforced, and Cloud also wants the league to focus

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Speaker 1: on more important things than bench fits. She said, quote,

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Speaker 1: I just feel like we're doing nitpicky shit. I'd rather

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Speaker 1: the w focus on actual things than trying to take

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Speaker 1: our money for wearing what we want to wear and

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Speaker 1: expressing ourselves. End quote us too, Tash, us too. Now

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Speaker 1: it's your turn, rate and review. Thanks for listening. See

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Speaker 1: you tomorrow. Good game, Pino, Good game, Pino's Achilles surgeon.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, my Achilles surgeon.

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Speaker 1: our producers are Alex Azzie and Misha Jones. Our executive

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Speaker 1: producers are Christina Everett, Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan, and Emily Rudder.

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Speaker 1: Our editors are Emily Rutter, Britney Martinez, Grace Lynch, and

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Speaker 1: Gianna Palmer.

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Speaker 2: Our associate producer is Lucy Jones.

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Speaker 1: Production assistance from Avery Loftus and I'm your host Sarah

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