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Speaker 1: hope you're having a lovely day. Yeah, me too, I

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Speaker 1: hope so too. I hope you're having a better day

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Speaker 1: the best day of your life? A day with you?

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Speaker 1: You're forgiven of everything everything? Wow, I should have done more.

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Speaker 1: It was easier than you thought. Yeah, will it work again?

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Speaker 1: I doubt it? Damn it. I blew it. Man. Well,

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Speaker 1: we won't talk about when you need for your forgiveness.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even ask. Yeah, you have not ever even

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Speaker 1: asked for forgiveness, that's for sure. I have not just

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Speaker 1: you're just so flawless. Yeah, I've done nothing of which

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Speaker 1: than the best day of my life, and you just said, well,

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Speaker 1: I guess if I did anything wrong, you can go

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Speaker 1: How about y'all, have you done anything wrong today? I'm

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Speaker 1: letting it out to the listeners. Yeah. In fact, if

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Speaker 1: For go ahead, I'll give you a second, and I

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Speaker 1: for one forgive you. I mean, you need to be

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Speaker 1: doesn't forgive you. Don't trust none. Y'all. You heard it

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Speaker 1: here first. They were like, I killed someone based on

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Speaker 1: odd for someone very murderous and racist to enjoy this show.

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Speaker 1: I know no No, all our listeners are good, perfect people.

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Speaker 1: We love you all. That's awesome, and we forgive you

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Speaker 1: This is easier than church. Right, you don't even have

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Speaker 1: you all for tuning in today. Very excited for this episode.

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Speaker 1: This is a hot one spicy that's of chaos. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This was a story that was suggested to us by

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Speaker 1: you all. But today we're gonna talk about Pierre Trudeau,

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Speaker 1: who was a bold, progressive and charismatic politician who served

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Speaker 1: this very special Canadian episode A ridiculous Romance. Hey the French,

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Speaker 1: There's no match making, a romantic tips. It's just about

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. So. Margaret Sinclair was born on September tenth

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Speaker 1: Remember when Pierre was fighting hard against the draft during

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Speaker 1: He's like, here's my next speech, training notes, we'll get

424
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: room service. It's a long one. Well, of course, Pierre

425
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: Trudeau was pounded by reporters everywhere he went the whole

426
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: time there in New York, and he was asked how

427
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: it was being away from the Canadian capital, and he answered, quote,

428
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: it's marvelous. I can do anything, even pick my nose

429
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: if I want. What a nice break, I know, right,

430
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: And when asked in an interview how long he had

431
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: been hanging out with streisand Trudeau replied, quote, not long enough.

432
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: Side note Barbra streisand uh like something like twenty seven

433
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: years younger than him, so a little closer in age

434
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: than Margaret. Wow, he's he's really changing. Yeah. Well, back home,

435
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: his aids were freaking out about what the political fallout

436
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: could be of him dating this American actress, who still

437
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: technically married, Like, I'll stand all when, according to Brewster,

438
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: his executive assistant shut everyone up and said, quote, we're

439
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: debating whether Pierre should date the hottest star in the world.

440
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is political goal. Seriously, Like what's

441
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: the argument here. This is great. Everyone loves her. She's

442
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: funny girl. Yeah, and Barbara streisand was feeling it. She

443
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: kind of wanted to be the first Lady of Canada.

444
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: Although side note that is not what Canadians called the

445
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: Prime Minister's wife. Yahoo Canada News says that there is

446
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: no title. You would just call her Mrs or Madame Trudeau.

447
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: But Barbara said being around Pierre Trudeau made her feel

448
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: like Jackie Kennedy. She went to a gallow with him

449
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: that was in honor of Manitoba's hundredth anniversary of joining

450
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: the Canadian Confederation, and she wowed dignitaries and pulled focus

451
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: for reporters and was just the absolute center of the

452
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: whole country's attention. But the next morning she went to

453
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: attend a state function wherein the Prime Minister was going

454
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: to be questioned by Parliament. I guess it's just like

455
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: a regular thing they do. You sit down and I'm

456
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: gonna grill you for a while. What do you do?

457
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: I have to let me see your Brewster points out

458
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: in their article that this was not a particularly good

459
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: session for Pierre. It was very dull, boring, tedious questions

460
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: and he didn't really get his chance to shine like

461
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: he was so good at right. Charisma was not going

462
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: on during this questioning, and like during it, he kept

463
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: glancing up at Barbara, who was in the audience gallery

464
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 1: and like shrugging at her or like rolling his eyes

465
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: like you know. It was like you and I are

466
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: the only ones here while I do this dumb thing.

467
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: And he was very obvious about it. And at one

468
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: point Conservative MP eventually asked him a question and added quote,

469
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: if the Prime Minister can keep his eye off the

470
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: visitors gallery long enough to answer me, the whole place

471
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: just burst out in the laughter, total uproar, and I'm

472
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: sure he liked rolled his eyes, was like, oh, you

473
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: got me, you know. But Barbara shortly after that got

474
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: up to leave and Pierre made a gesture to her,

475
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: five more minutes, just hang on, almost done here. Everyone

476
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: asking questions were like, think of a few more questions

477
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: that it will be tens. Let's drag this out, let's

478
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: put him in the doghouse. Yeah, And Barbara left Ottawa

479
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: a few days later, telling everyone how charmed and delighted

480
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: she was by her visit and the city was just

481
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: so beautiful and the stuff, And people thought that was

482
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: kind of weird because it was like a really gross

483
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: time in Ottawa. It was like slush all over the

484
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: ground everywhere. It's like February. Yeah, like kind of that,

485
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: like not quite a winter wonderland slash, not quite a

486
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: spring place, like just a horrible, dirty, cold wet. That's

487
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: like the first time I ever visited New York. It

488
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: wasn't a like it was January, late January, and it

489
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: was all dirty slush streets and everyone was just miserable. Yeah,

490
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: didn't look like a miracle. And thirty four Street, Yeah,

491
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: there was no Christmas spirit left in the city had

492
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: been wrung out. She visited once more in the spring,

493
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: and John English writes in his biography of Trudeau just

494
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: watched Me that Pierre even expressed an interest in marriage

495
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: and children with Barbera Strass And so that could be

496
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: a very different story than we're about to sell. But

497
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: all in all, he was like an important politician, and

498
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: Canada and the world were demanding a lot of him,

499
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: and her stardom was blowing up. She was constantly working

500
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: and flying all over the world. I mean, not to

501
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: mention that she also had a three year old son

502
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: of her own, so a lot of demands on both

503
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: of their time, and so their schedules really just made

504
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: them totally incompatible. Um, Mutually, they agreed to separate. Isn't

505
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: that interesting? Those those relationships that they don't end because

506
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: you want them to end. It's just like our lives

507
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: don't make sense together now a pair. Rely, during their

508
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: time together, Trudeau was still like kind of seeing Margaret.

509
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: He would call her at least all the time, as

510
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: far as I can care. I have exams next week.

511
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, exactly, as far as I can tell.

512
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: She was definitely still in college at this point. After

513
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: the Manitoba Gala and after Barbara left Ottawa that night,

514
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: Trudeau reportedly called Margaret, but she picked up the phone

515
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 1: and just shouted, go back to our American actress and

516
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: hung up on him. So's like, oh, damn, I've done Yeah,

517
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: But you know that Pierre, he's a wooer and he's

518
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: just so damn charming. He took that red rose out

519
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: of his the pet, kissed it and tucked it behind

520
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: her ears. Oh something like that. Oh, Pierre, I can't

521
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: stay mad at you. You'll so and so Seriously, whatever happened,

522
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: he must have won her back, because in March of

523
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one, Canada was absolutely rocked to learn that

524
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: Prime Minister Trudeau was on a surprise honeymoon after a

525
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: secret wedding to some twenty two year old girl named

526
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: Margaret Sinclair that no one had ever heard of? What

527
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: total shocker? What happened to Barbara? They knew Barbara was

528
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: gone by now. I'm just thinking of some housewife British

529
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: Columbia being like, now, the last time I check, well,

530
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: how well could this lady's man hold down a dedicated marriage?

531
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: The answer may not surprise you, but don't worry. Margaret

532
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: had some crazy times and some celebrity excitement of her own,

533
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: which we'll get back to right after this and welcome

534
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: back to the show. Only immediate family members had known

535
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: about Pierre and margaret six month engagement, so it was

536
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: a total surprise to basically all of Canada that their

537
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: PM was now a married man. Only twelve people had

538
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: attended the wedding. A lot of hurt feelings those of

539
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 1: us who did not get Yeah, I didn't get one,

540
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: did you. Margaret's own family thought they were gathering for

541
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: a family portrait. According to Canada History dot c A

542
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: just dress nice. We're gonna we're gonna paint you picture

543
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: dress a little nicer. Uh now I can't tell you why,

544
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: and come hungry, Come hungry, And the Prime minister's aids

545
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: thought the couple was simply going on a skiing trip

546
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: and maybe no surprise. They tried to keep it quiet.

547
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: This was really the first time that the private lives

548
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: of celebrities and politicians was really targeted by the media

549
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: in Canada. So between Trude Domania and Margaret's youth and

550
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: beauty and very unconventional ways, they were like a hot

551
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: ticket for the front page. So they're like, let's tread carefully. Yeah,

552
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 1: and remember everyone, especially young women, were cessed with Trudeau,

553
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: this hot bachelor prime minister, right, so you can imagine

554
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: there was a lot of heartbreak across the nation when

555
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: they woke up one morning and we're like, oh, he's

556
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: married to who. Their marriage was wild and tumultuous, because

557
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: Margaret was kind of wild and tumultuous herself. But she

558
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: later said that she felt like she was living multiple lives.

559
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: She was attending state dinners and being photographed constantly as

560
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: the wife of one of the most popular leaders in

561
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: the world. But she was also like this young woman

562
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: fresh out of college in her twenties, with you know,

563
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: a lot of money and a hippie background. She liked

564
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: to have a good time. She wrote in her memoirs,

565
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: quote from the day I married Pierre, a glass panel

566
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: was gently lowered into place around me, like a patient

567
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: in a mental hospital, no longer considered able to make decisions.

568
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: But in addition to all that, it wasn't long before

569
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 1: she was a mother, so three times over. On December

570
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 1: twenty five, nineteen seventy one, their first son, Justin Trudeau,

571
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: was born. And hang on a second speculation station here,

572
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: because they were married in March of nineteen seventy one,

573
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: and he was born in December of nineteen seventy one,

574
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: just nine exact months later. So maybe, I mean, I

575
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe he is a little bit of shock

576
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: and wedding she she wouldn't have known necessarily nine months

577
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: before she gave birth that she was pregnant. But what

578
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: if maybe they kept his birth quiet for a couple

579
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: of months and we're like, oh, we just had a baby.

580
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a leap, it's a big leap,

581
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter. But I like to I like

582
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: to speculate it does not matter. But yeah, I mean

583
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: they probably didn't. If she's off in college, you know,

584
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: he is dealing with being prime minister right, probably didn't

585
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 1: get a lot of chances to get physical. So when

586
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: they did is like fest in the barber streisand and

587
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 1: so I don't know, maybe yeah, maybe the night before

588
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 1: the wedding. I don't know, the month of wedding, activities

589
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: that predate your wedding, they kind of got physical. I mean,

590
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: I suppose in the late sixties early seventies. The mentality

591
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: definitely fits the bill of like we're married, now, let's

592
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: immediately have a kid. So sure, but speculation station they

593
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: got married because she got knocked up with Justin Trudeau.

594
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: There you go, I could say whatever I want in speculations.

595
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: It's a safe space. So he was born Christmas Day

596
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: one and then two years later, also on Christmas day

597
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: his younger brother Alexandra was born. He goes by Sasha.

598
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: Then to Christmas Babies, to Christmas Babies. Yeah. Then an

599
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,479
Speaker 1: October two of n their third son, miche L, was born. Damn,

600
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: Michelle broke the pattern. Yeah, well his parents broke. I

601
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: guess it's really Pierre and Margaret's fault for March. It's

602
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: like clockwork, Margaret. Yeah, it's an anniversary, baby, you know, anniversary.

603
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: Let's dry again, let's do it. Yeah. So for a

604
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: while Margaret had been very uninvolved in politics, but in

605
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two, Pierre Trudeau's government suffered a very near defeat,

606
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: so she decided she would get more involved in the

607
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four election. The party organizers thought she was awesome,

608
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: and they put her on the campaign trail to help

609
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: local candidates in important elections. Meanwhile, the opposition parties leaders

610
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: had their wives just standing quietly behind them on stage,

611
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: looking like props cardboard cutout. So this really gave them

612
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: a boost. And when Margaret was with Pierre at his events,

613
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: he was cool, collected, relaxed, as savvy as ever, and

614
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: when asked if her campaigning was helping Pierre, she said quote,

615
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: I won't know until July, but the voters in this

616
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: country or women, that's an awful lot. And indeed Trudeau's

617
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: party returned to a majority government after that election, So

618
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: it was pretty effective to have the ladies out there talking, talking,

619
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: talking to women as if they can relate to them

620
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: in ways these matters, Yeah, as if they're people. It's

621
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: funny sometimes these stories that we tell them make me

622
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: start to think maybe women are people. Speculation stations. I

623
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: don't want to say they do. I don't want to

624
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: go crazy in here. Don't call me on that. I

625
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: haven't seen a science or anything. Is this a safe space? Okay?

626
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: Women or people? Glad to keep from crying? Yeah. Well,

627
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: Margaret and years loving marriage did start to fall apart

628
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: after a few years. Cpierre was constantly working because he

629
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: was Prime Minister of Canada, and that left Margaret pretty

630
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: much having to raise their three sons by herself. And

631
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: she also kind of stopped abiding by protocol and she

632
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: started to have these manic episodes. She would smuggle drugs

633
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: across the border into America and go party at Studio

634
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: fifty four in Manhattan, and the paparazzi, of course, always

635
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: just chasing her right behind her, taking pictures all the time.

636
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: At one point, Pierre had been given this quilt by

637
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: artist Joyce Whyland, which was emboldened with his political slogan

638
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: laraison avant la, which means reason before passion right. That

639
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: was his whole political stances, like, we just need to

640
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: do things smart and not worry about how passionate we

641
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: are about a thing. It's just do the right thing, now,

642
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: would you feel, which, of course is except when it

643
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: comes to you. Quite a contrast how he behaved in

644
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: his personal life. There's no reason to go out, but

645
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: my passion tells me I should date this eighty well.

646
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: So he had been given this quilt with his slogan

647
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: and stitched into it, and Margaret, in a fury one

648
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 1: night when she was just angry at him and having

649
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: one of her manic episodes, apparently, ripped all the letters

650
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: off of the quilt and threw them at him. Take

651
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: your own words, back your mouth, eat your words. In

652
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: ven she separated from Pierre, which resulted in a period

653
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: she would later call two years of mayhem. According to

654
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: Vanity Fair, she said that in the two years leading

655
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: up to this separation she would whisper to herself every night, quote, Pierre,

656
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: please give me a divorce. When she finally left the

657
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: Prime minister. In this trial separation, she said she chose

658
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: quote independence over marital house. Here we should say that

659
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: later in life, Margaret was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, and

660
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: she describes these years in the late seventies as being

661
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: full of manic depressive episodes. She hadn't received treatment earlier

662
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: in life because her mother, Her mom is not coming

663
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: out great this story. Her mother discouraged her from seeing

664
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: a psychiatrist. She told her quote, Oh, Margaret, psychiatrists only

665
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: blame the mother. But in this case, maybe they have

666
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: a point. Yeah. I think maybe she was realizing that

667
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: they would blame her mother, and maybe she didn't want

668
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 1: her to hear that, Oh, Margaret, I've only done terrible

669
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: things that have traumatized you. They're just going to tell

670
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: you that. Why would I want you to hear that

671
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: I only pushed you into a relationship with a man

672
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: thirty years older than you for the political political gain. Now.

673
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: One of these manic episodes was at Margaret and Pierre's

674
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: sixth anniversary party. She made headlines by leaving the party

675
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: early without saying good night to Pierre, and later that

676
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: night paparazzi spotted her partying with the Rolling Stone. Now,

677
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: Margaret wrote up the episode that she ran off with

678
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: the band quote, but I could have just as easily

679
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: run off with one of the guys from the seven eleven.

680
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: It was just somewhere else to be, someone else to

681
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: be with, you know. She didn't didn't actually matter, could

682
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: have been anybody She's like. Someone had said let's go

683
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: take a drive, then I would have gone. Now from

684
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: here there are varying accounts as to what happened. In

685
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: an article in The Guardian, Stones drummer Charlie Watts claimed

686
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: that guitarist Ronnie Wood was having an affair with Margaret,

687
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: which he called quote a bit worrying. But tabloids who

688
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: spotted Margaret with the band started to make these wild claims.

689
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: They said that she was having an fair with Mick Jagger,

690
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: and they even said that she had just come from

691
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: an orgy with the whole band after their last show. Now,

692
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: this sparked a whole media ship show where they just

693
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: labeled her as promiscuous and irresponsible. She's out here fucking

694
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: musicians and doing drugs and all this crazy shit, But

695
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: if Margaret and Mick themselves are to be believed, that

696
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: particular thing didn't happen. Mick Jagger himself later told The

697
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: Evening Standard that Margaret was quote a very sick girl

698
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: in search of something. She found it, but not with me.

699
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go near her with a barge pole. Oh

700
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: my goodness. Yeah, do you think barge pole is what

701
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: he called David Bowie's penis? I wouldn't suck her with

702
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: David Bowie. David Bowie is like I probably would. I

703
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: just like sucking. Well. Margaret herself said in an interview

704
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 1: in two thousand eight, quote, Unfortunately, when I look back

705
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: on it now, I think I should have slept with

706
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: every single one of the Rolling Stones. I should have

707
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: had so much fun, but I didn't. So, you know,

708
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: it sounds like maybe the affair with Ronnie Wood was true,

709
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: but no, she definitely did not have an orgy with

710
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: the Rolling Stones. You know, now, don't worry. Just because

711
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: Margaret didn't sleep with an entire rock band doesn't mean

712
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: she wasn't having affairs. So if you were worried, don't

713
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: be worried. She's getting hers too. She did. She said

714
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: in her biography that the quote first real rival to

715
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: her husband Pierre was the actor Jack Nicholson. What the

716
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: the names that are popping up in the story random Now?

717
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: He was dating Angelica Houston at the time, and he

718
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: met Margaret in London while he was filming The Shining

719
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: Angelica Houston by the way, A cool week and we

720
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: women Angela Kuston's incredible. Oh my god, she's so good

721
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: and everything she's in and Margaret said he was in

722
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: love with someone else quote, but that didn't keep us

723
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: from making love all night and afterwards when Jack moved on,

724
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: she said she felt foolish and crushed, but she quickly

725
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: got over it. Yeah. Well, Jack Nicholson famously also a

726
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: charmer who just you. You met him and you were like, yes,

727
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: I would like to sleep with you please. He just

728
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: came up and was like, well, I ain't you the

729
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: prettiest thing I seemed all week? And like wow, yeah,

730
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: that's terrifying voice and stilted the speaking style. It's really

731
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: doing something for me. You're creepy little bathing suit. For

732
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 1: some reason, it's working for me. Margaret then got into

733
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: a heavy affair with the rock musician Tom Sullivan, who

734
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: apparently introduced her to cocaine. Everyone's least favorite friends, and

735
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: this sent her spiraling. Although she wrote quote, there were

736
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: many times when I would have liked to blame all

737
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: my mistakes on cocaine. I can't and all truth do that,

738
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: which is true. I mean, you know, there's still decisions

739
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: being made. They make you do. I think it makes

740
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: you do dumber, ship harder than maybe it was sober.

741
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: But you still can't chuck it all up to drug

742
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: to drugs, that's true. In nineteen seventy nine, Pierre lost

743
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: his bid for reelection, and that same night, Margaret was

744
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: featured on the cover of the New York Post partying

745
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: at Studio fifty four couch like. She's so happy he's

746
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: not Prime Minister, So are we girl? Like now? Later

747
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: that year, in Margaret gave an interview to play Girl

748
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: magazine that she would later call one of the biggest

749
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: mistakes of her life because, according to Vanity Fair, this

750
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: interview was largely incoherent. She kind of went on these

751
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: rambling tangents. She recounted the abortion that she had when

752
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 1: she was seventeen years old. Apparently, she talked about how

753
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: she spent eight hours in a tree one night while

754
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: she was high on mescalin, and she talked about affairs

755
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: that she'd had with actor Ryan O'Neill or singer Lou Rawls, who,

756
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: by the way, she had just met at the taping

757
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: of Like an Interview show, and his people later reached

758
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 1: out to play Girl and were like, they never spoke

759
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: after that taping, so no, she wasn't having an affair

760
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: with him. She also in this interview claimed she was

761
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: having an affair with Senator Ted Kennedy, although his people

762
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: and he also later vehemently denied any sort of goings

763
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: on between them, and you would know it because she'd

764
00:48:53,600 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: be at the bottom of a pond. Ah, we should

765
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: do the chap at Quitic episode. I mean we could,

766
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: We probably should. But in the middle of this interview,

767
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: she paused to take a phone call from Pierre Trudeau,

768
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: and a transcript of her side of this phone conversation

769
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: was included in the piece. A lot of people say

770
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: this was the most damning part of the Playgirl piece

771
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: and call yeah, insane thing to do. Although you gotta

772
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: you gotta keep that in mind. It's never off the

773
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: record if you're with the reporter. But that's still that

774
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: is ice cold. She basically just went on this drug

775
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: days tangent where she was talking to him, and she

776
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: just started describing the outfit that she was wearing at

777
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: Studio fifty four, which was featured on the New York

778
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: Post cover the night that he lost his re election bid.

779
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: It was like, what is going on here? Why bring

780
00:49:54,680 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: that up now of a sore night? Yeah? Yeah, side note,

781
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: just for the history of it. He would win back

782
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: his position in eight and he did go on to

783
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: be Prime Minister again from ur. So Margaret might have

784
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: been getting out there and being promiscuous, but it must

785
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: be said that Pierre was having a good old time too. Okay,

786
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: they were both spreading legs all over however, Moose Country,

787
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: trapping beavers all over Moose Country. There it is, there,

788
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: it is, and over the years several women were not

789
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: shy about talking about it, which we all know if

790
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: Pierre's least favorite thing. No women do about relationships. He

791
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: had relationships with a classical guitarist named Leona Boyd. He

792
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: had a fling with Superman's Lois Lane. Margot Kidder what

793
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: who said he was quote a vulnerable little boy who

794
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: lives trapped under layers of defenses. It was getting cut

795
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: into the chart. She's like, I got the scoop. She's

796
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: like my X ray vision borrowed Superman. Oh, and he

797
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: even dated Kim Cattrall sexy, who called him quote so

798
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: incredibly sexy, a very soft spoken, incredibly smart, sensitive man.

799
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: She had nothing but nice things to say. Sex in

800
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: the City, Sex in the City, Ottawa edition. It's the

801
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: fifth character. Yes of Pierre would go to events sometimes

802
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: with two girlfriends, like one on each arm. He's just

803
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: showing off at this part, right, women like you, gosh,

804
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: shut up, just because you'll listen to him and find

805
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: ones who are thirty years younger than you. And one

806
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 1: night Margaret came across a pile of photographs of women

807
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: in his desk drawer and who was on top but

808
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: Barbara Strasand and she asked Pierre, quote, are you rating us?

809
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: And he shrugged and said maybe. Wow, Pierre, He's like,

810
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: this is in order to how much I miss you,

811
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: And also like like nothing against Barbara Streis and it's beautiful, talented,

812
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: glorious superstar. But I mean she was the most beautiful

813
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: out of like Margot Kidder and Margaret Sinclair and Kim Cattrall,

814
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean, look, I'm just saying, damn,

815
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: it was like she would not be at the top

816
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: of She's just not at the top of that list

817
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: of beautiful women, all of whom in it are beautiful. Well,

818
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: maybe he's writing based on his Oh. I thought you

819
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: were going to say the sex. Oh, well, maybe it's

820
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: a sex oh ship, He's like, listen, Barbara did this

821
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: thing where she would bend over backwards for me and Margaret,

822
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: you never did that. I'll say that. No, I was

823
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: going to say, maybe we have, uh, maybe we have

824
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: like an unrequited love here that like a torch that

825
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: he carried his whole life, and that's why he was

826
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: a playboy, as he never actually found what he could.

827
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: Never he's always chasing the dragon that was Barber Streisand

828
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: maybe so she's she's quite a dragon. That sounds mean. No,

829
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: she's a fierce, powerful creature with with who can who

830
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: from her throat can blow you away, you know, by

831
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 1: which I mean her singing. It's like her fire breath,

832
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 1: you know, right right, He's like and from her throat

833
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: she can. That's why she's on top of the steps.

834
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: I respect Barbara's I know, Barbara is amazing. She's a

835
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: little weird of that island she's got. She's an island,

836
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: all right, not an island, but she's got Like she

837
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: built an underground shopping mall under her own house. It

838
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: cost like n million dollars. What can anyone else shop there?

839
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: I don't. We might have to do so many questions.

840
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: Is it fully staffed? Is there an anti hands? Like?

841
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: How far do we go downstairs and get a pretzels? Not?

842
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: Enough money? I might have an anti an's installed in

843
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: my fucking house. Uh. This says on news dot com

844
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: that she built n million dollar shopping mall under her

845
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: own house. She told Harper's bizarre quote, instead of just

846
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: storing my things in the basement, I can make a

847
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: street of shops and display them. So I think it's

848
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: like a display mall. Wow. Interesting. Yeah, anyway, Barber strays

849
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: and quite a character. When you have a lot of money,

850
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: you've got to think of something to spend it on.

851
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: I don't know people in need. Yeah. Boring. But back

852
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: to Margaret after the shame of the play a girl

853
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: interview in because she definitely knew immediately that this was

854
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: this was horrible and she was getting dragged for it.

855
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: So she fled back to Canada to be with her

856
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: sons and mostly tried to stay out of the spotlight

857
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: as much as possible. She finally filed for a no

858
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: contest divorced from Pierre, and this was finalized in April

859
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: of eighty four. Later that same month, she married an

860
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: Ottawa real estate developer named Fred Kemper and they ended

861
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: up having two children together. But Margaret continued to spiral

862
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,280
Speaker 1: during these years. She went on prozac for a little while,

863
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: which helped her a little, but she didn't stay on it.

864
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: And remember, at this time she had not yet beneficially

865
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: diagnosed with bipolar disorder. She was kind of just like

866
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: looking for the quick fix. Her husband had to file

867
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: for bankruptcy at one point, so things weren't going well

868
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: for them either. And then in nineteen eight she was

869
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: arrested and charged with marijuana possession, which was illegal at

870
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: the time. She had a stay at a mental hospital

871
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: for over two months after this, and the next decade

872
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: was a difficult mix of dealing with all of these

873
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: issues with her manic episodes, uh you know, financial troubles,

874
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: the split families, she was dealing with just a lot

875
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: of trouble. And then in her and Pierre's son, Michelle,

876
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: was killed in an avalanche during a ski trip. Oh

877
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: my god, really terrifying and just horrible. It really broke her.

878
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: And then just two years later, Pierre Trudeau died from

879
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 1: prostate cancer in two thousand at eighty years old. Yeah,

880
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: real double whammy for her. Someone already in a fragile

881
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: mental state, losing you know, a son and someone who

882
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: was very close to her um really set her off.

883
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: It's a really bad time. Yeah. Margaret had been at

884
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: Pierre's bedside with their sons, Justin and Sasha when he died.

885
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: She said that quote, just because our marriage ended didn't

886
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: mean the love stopped. It reminds me of Lucien bean

887
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: Deisi in that respect absolutely. But after his death she

888
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: crashed hard and ended up back in a mental institution.

889
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: She even ended up in a straight jacket for her

890
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: own safety. At one allegedly, another patient even said, you

891
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: see that lady over there in the corner crying, she

892
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: thinks she's Margaret Trudeau. Man, Well, that's got to be

893
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: tough too, and you're like, people don't even believe you

894
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: because they think you're so crazy, you're making up that

895
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,479
Speaker 1: you're a famous person. I really am getting gas lit

896
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: by the crazy people, right, we don't use that word, right,

897
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: She's like, no, I know my own name people. But

898
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: out of all this strife and stay with this mental

899
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: institution and everything, she did get her proper diagnosis of

900
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: bipolar disorder and proper treatments. So that's a good that's

901
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: a silver lining horrible cloud. And while she says she

902
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: didn't smile or laugh for five years, the treatment she

903
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: received finally allowed her to feel like herself again. Yeah. Apparently,

904
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: her son Sasha took her on a trip to Cuba,

905
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: and it was while she was there, after having had

906
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: some time with her treatment and new medications and stuff

907
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: like that, she said she smiled and started laughing again

908
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: for the first time and finally went home and felt

909
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: like herself again for the first time in a long times.

910
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: I mean, those was decades of dealing with this. In

911
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, the hospital where she had received

912
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: treatment approached her and asked if she would be an

913
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: advocate for mental health, and since then she stepped out

914
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: publicly to speak about her issues with bipolar disorder and

915
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: the social stigmas of mental illness, and she published a

916
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: book in two called Changing My Mind about her struggles

917
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: with the disorder, and in May of twenty nineteen, she

918
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: presented her one woman show, Certain Woman of an Age

919
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: in Chicago as part of the city's Wellness Week. So

920
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: she's like kind of back out in the spotlight, but

921
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: this wonderful like benefit way right, and it sounds like

922
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: much healthier for herself. Absolutely, Yeah, you should try and

923
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: get her to come do it at Fringe Festival. I

924
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: was just thinking that it's like, I know all about

925
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: one woman's show, right, Um, yeah, it's really um. I

926
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: think that, you know, we don't get too into the

927
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: biography here, but she definitely look up her life. She's

928
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: she's still around, she's seventy three. Um. Of course, her

929
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: son Justin is now Prime Minister of Canada as of

930
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: this recording. Um and um. She she didn't get too

931
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: heavily involved in his campaign. She she was out there

932
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: a little bit, but they apparently thought that he his

933
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: opponents were painting him as inexperienced, so they didn't want

934
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: it to look like he needed his mommy by his

935
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: side during the campaign, so they kept her back a

936
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: little bit. But Um, but yeah, she's she's she's doing

937
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,439
Speaker 1: good work. She's a really fascinating person. And her her

938
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: books and her appearances and everything like that, talking about

939
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: mental health and what her lifestyle was like for a while.

940
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: She's not shy about talking about it. And she's got

941
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: some crazy stories about hanging out with these celebrities and

942
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: these drug fueled years and like it just sounds like

943
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: a it sounds like a nightmare to me. Like it

944
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: really sounds like just a like this dark like you

945
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't even know what was happening while it was happening.

946
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: It's more about after you woke up and looked back

947
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: at it and we're like it was terrible. Yeah, you

948
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: totally like a surreal well just out of control. Maybe

949
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: is the nightmare part, like I can't change what's happening. Yeah,

950
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: I definitely see that. She also thought it was interesting

951
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: this part where she got arrested for marijuana possession. Uh.

952
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: It is now legal in Canada, as I saw, if

953
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: I've got that right, Um, and you know when Trudeau

954
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: was pushing for it, justin Trudeau, Uh, she also spoke

955
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: up and said, yes, I think it should be illegalized,

956
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: and they quoted her old interviews where she said that

957
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: marijuana had contributed to her mental health stre goals, and

958
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: she was like, yeah, I if I smoked too much,

959
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: I had a manic episode. It was it was really

960
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: rough for me. I needed help controlling. I needed to

961
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: kick it in order to get better. But she's like,

962
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: I still smoke a little bit. Now you know, I

963
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,919
Speaker 1: can all the time, and legalizing it regulates it, that's

964
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: going to help more people. I don't think people under

965
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: eighteen should be smoking, she said, you know, but people

966
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: I like smoking. It's fun. You should be allowed to.

967
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: It's crazy that you can. And if we legalize it,

968
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: then we can make sure people are doing it safely,

969
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: and you know, people know what they're smoking and things

970
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: like that. That will just help a lot. And can

971
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: get treatment for it, We can study it, can find

972
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: out what it's doing to your mental health, all these

973
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: things well, and you can you can really control your dosage,

974
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: like not just in a medical sense, but in like

975
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: a drug sense, Like I know how messed up I

976
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: want to get, and now I have a way to

977
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: measure that in a way that we certainly didn't have before.

978
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: You're just like, I hope this weed is good, or

979
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: I hope this acid is good, or I hope this

980
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: ecstasy isn't cut with something crazy like people I still have.

981
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: I guess you still have a final issue, terrible problems

982
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: with that. Absolutely America period or just Atlanta. I don't

983
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: know exactly. I think. I think it's definitely across the country. Yeah,

984
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,959
Speaker 1: it is, it is, And I mean, you know, yeah,

985
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,439
Speaker 1: before we started regulating food, it was like that too.

986
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what's in this slop, but I guess

987
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: I just gotta eat it, And now you can pretty much.

988
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: I don't. Now, I don't think about it when I

989
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: go out and get food. I'm like, I trust that

990
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: someone's keeping an eye on this and making sure it

991
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: doesn't have Fentinel in it, And so far they've been

992
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: doing a good job at keeping Fentinel out of my food.

993
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: Knock on wood. So yeah, legalize it, That's what I'm saying.

994
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: Hashtag legalized, legalize it. Margaret said, So, well, this is

995
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: an interesting one because it's just so different than unless

996
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: you dive in, you don't know about all these mental

997
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: health struggles, all this stuff you get. I mean, of

998
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: course that's media ship right there. You just get the

999
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: drugs and sex stuff, but there's a lot of stuff

1000
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: going on behind the curtain in this one. I thought

1001
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: it was interesting too to learn, you know, um Rocco

1002
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: when he sent the story had mentioned that, you know,

1003
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: Margaret had a tryst with Mick Jagger, and I was like,

1004
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: I gotta look this up. This sounds crazy. And then

1005
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: find out that she probably didn't. But that's sort of

1006
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: the headline that drew us in to find out, you know,

1007
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: the more likely truth, I'll say, um, and that maybe

1008
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: she was having an affair with Ronnie Wood that, you know.

1009
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: And then you start to see again how the media

1010
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: has just sensationalizes everything, tabloids, especially paparazzi. He just like

1011
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: celebrity culture some of the earth just trying to feed

1012
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: off people's lives and turn them into something more than

1013
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: they are. It's kind of mistake so much yeah, and

1014
01:03:55,520 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: normal bad behavior. While completely like ignoring this thirty year

1015
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: gap with Pierre, but like he's such a playboy, what

1016
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: a hot bachelor, so hot that he's like pulling all

1017
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: these hot ladies. It's such a different attitude to Margaret

1018
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: having an orgy with all the rolling Stones, WHI given

1019
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: her high fives like you got a girl. Well, and

1020
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: then there's of course the the the image issue of it,

1021
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,919
Speaker 1: where it's like his was he was a stately man

1022
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: having sexy affairs. She was a drug crazed lunatic who

1023
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: was out there doing whatever she had to do to

1024
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: get a fix, you know. And it's like, to some degree,

1025
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: there's some truth in that, because like you know, Pierre

1026
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: wasn't running around doing cocaine and like acting in ways

1027
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: that he couldn't control um and Margaret, you know, to

1028
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: some degree was But also why is that true? Was

1029
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: the pressure different for her than it was for him

1030
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: that caused her to kind of tip over? Absolutely? You know, right,

1031
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: just her being so young, just so young and thrust

1032
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: into this world that she didn't exactly volunteered be a

1033
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,919
Speaker 1: part of, and then being forced to live win way

1034
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, the cameras are on

1035
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: you all the time. You know, you can see how

1036
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: if she had an existing bipolar disorder, how this would

1037
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: just like totally put a magnified glass on that and

1038
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: just blow up her whole life. Yeah, it's wild. I mean,

1039
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: she might have already been someone who would have been

1040
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: an girl like a party girl, go out all the time.

1041
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 1: But like she would have just been one, one in

1042
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: a million, like no one would have paid any attention.

1043
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: She could have had her party in days safely behind

1044
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: her and moved on with her life. But because she

1045
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: married so young and had kids really young, and I

1046
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: think I think she was kind of rebelling against that

1047
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: life glass panel she was talking about a little bit.

1048
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: She wanted to break it. Oh definitely, Yeah, Yeah, she

1049
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: was a hippie, free love baby. It's interesting though that

1050
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: she's sort of like she really followed the decades. You know,

1051
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 1: like in the sixties she was a hippie. In the

1052
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: seventies it was like sex, drugs, rock and roll, and

1053
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: the eighties was cocaine, okay, very rand. Yeah, and in

1054
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Speaker 1: and in the two thousands, she's a mental health advocate.

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