Speaker 1: Get get no boys, it's back and rehoaded all in
Speaker 1: your mind. Yeah and now deep throating. This is for
Speaker 1: the streets, the reel, the railroaded, the disenfranchise, the truth,
Speaker 1: the scapegoating, and they ain't knowing we speak the truth,
Speaker 1: so they ain't quoted because we wrote it. The North
Speaker 1: South East coat g b my keeping your head bobbing
Speaker 1: it ain't no stopping and wants to be try head
Speaker 1: by then the system is so corrupt they throw the
Speaker 1: rock out of their heads and then blame it on us.
Speaker 1: Don't get it twisted on code and we ain't dancing
Speaker 1: for no buttment biscuits. It's Willie d y'all scar faces
Speaker 1: in the building. Collectively, we are to get old boys
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Speaker 1: you navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world in the
Speaker 1: studio eight ball and m J G. Yeah, ain't this jet?
Speaker 1: Are you guys are collective? Will? What do you do
Speaker 1: for your birthday? Oh? Man? What did I do? I
Speaker 1: just I just hung out? Man? You know what I did?
Speaker 1: I went, I went, I went to grid Park. I
Speaker 1: did not get a hair cut, because listen, what I
Speaker 1: have here is is natural cuts. You ever heard natural cuts?
Speaker 1: That's right? So basically, you know you you the way
Speaker 1: your DNA works, My DNA works is that my hat
Speaker 1: don't grow for a month and then I cut it
Speaker 1: and then for a whole another month. It's stays like this.
Speaker 1: Everything no kind of like my bank no growth the
Speaker 1: win bank accounts. Oh good, oh you November one? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so so man, thank you man. So here's what happened. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, I went to grib Park with some family,
Speaker 1: you know, some close friends. And grib Park is a
Speaker 1: is a food truck park, right, That's where I went.
Speaker 1: They want to take me to a restaurant. We go
Speaker 1: anywhere you want to go, anywhere you want to go,
Speaker 1: any restaurant, your favorite restaurant. I said. You know what, man,
Speaker 1: I been wanted to try this, This food truck called
Speaker 1: o MG. They make these uh potatoes, stuffed potatoes with
Speaker 1: with seafood, yeah, lobster and shrimp. You know I can't
Speaker 1: eat you can't. We're not we're not talking about you
Speaker 1: were talking about. We're talking about me. What I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about your birthday, what I wanted for my birthday.
Speaker 1: But you know what, my people are treating me to
Speaker 1: you know that. But it was beautiful. Man. So you
Speaker 1: had a baked potato for your birthday? Sweet? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: had a baked baked potato from my birthday and some
Speaker 1: cool leg Yeah was a great. Yeah, that's great. It
Speaker 1: was great. Yeah, you can't go. I can't go without
Speaker 1: the great. So I've been on the road. Excuse me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I've been on the road with eight ball m
Speaker 1: j G for the past five years. Like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: watched eight ball transformation. He went from big ball to
Speaker 1: little ball, a little bigger ball. I'll be fluxu waiting. Man.
Speaker 1: First he was on that I ain't eating no meat
Speaker 1: still on that, man, and it's going to be three
Speaker 1: years no ship. I just started back even fish like
Speaker 1: three months ago. Maybe, Yeah, I told you that day.
Speaker 1: Man inspired me that day. You'd be cool with the fish. Man.
Speaker 1: Just don't go back to the red meat. Oh definitely. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't even think about it no more, Like it's
Speaker 1: not even a second. I'd be smelling good good. I'd
Speaker 1: be like, I don't have a second talk. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I do. Man. When I gave up real meat, Man,
Speaker 1: I just started. I just thought I would just eat
Speaker 1: something and make sure you eat something before you go
Speaker 1: to visit people. Don't go on an empty stomach to
Speaker 1: visit people, because then you'll eat whatever they have available.
Speaker 1: So that's why I used to do that a lot,
Speaker 1: Like take the pepperoni off the pizza. If it's just pepperonia,
Speaker 1: eat the just the cheese. I used to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's my that's my eight ball story. Yeah, bellies normal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my ship. Uncle used to got the bel of normal.
Speaker 1: He put my ass into that, put my ass through
Speaker 1: a wall. I ain't working with you, and actually turned
Speaker 1: me onto a record that I hid from everybody when
Speaker 1: I used to go to the store, to the record store,
Speaker 1: and every time I've seen him, I buy him all
Speaker 1: because I didn't want nobody to have it. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was Marvin Gaye Here my dear, best fucking album I
Speaker 1: ever heard in my life, and I did not want
Speaker 1: I was selfish with that album. I did not want
Speaker 1: nobody here that ship. I didn't want nobody to hear it.
Speaker 1: It was like Morven Gay's wife there something would say
Speaker 1: it was selfish and his wife was unselfish when he
Speaker 1: gave up that album because he gave it to her
Speaker 1: as a part of the Yeah, that's the best album
Speaker 1: Marvin Gay mm a bro because he was man. That
Speaker 1: ship was cold blooded. Man. Thank you for turning me
Speaker 1: on the pleasure. That's probably man, he turned me onto
Speaker 1: that ship. Man. Let's get close to the beginning, man,
Speaker 1: because it's hard to have this conversation without, first of all,
Speaker 1: like setting the foundation, you know, like, how did you
Speaker 1: guys meet? First and foremost? Oh? Man? Just man? Back
Speaker 1: at school? Rich wrong? Yep? Seven grade seven grade man? Okay,
Speaker 1: it was in classes together and just y'all started rapping,
Speaker 1: gravitated towards each other some candada. So was it like
Speaker 1: a day one the moment you guys linked, you know,
Speaker 1: first time you met, you asked, my dude, many good dude.
Speaker 1: That's a good dude. Y'all just clicked. Did it take
Speaker 1: some time? It was over time? Yeah, it was. It
Speaker 1: was instant, but it was like it I think when
Speaker 1: we found out how close we stayed to each other,
Speaker 1: the proximity in the neighborhood. Had a fight, and then
Speaker 1: it was I had to fight against each other one
Speaker 1: time we had a little lock up one. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love it. We've been mad at hell at each other,
Speaker 1: wanted to fight but at one time, man, we might
Speaker 1: have been checking in class. Uh. He said something about
Speaker 1: my shoes I had these nia were pro wings and
Speaker 1: you know when them johns getting old, they get hard
Speaker 1: from he was bad. He got me by my shoes. Bad.
Speaker 1: I got him about his hero bad. Teacher was out
Speaker 1: the room, had a little out rouh. Yeah, we jumped
Speaker 1: up and locked up everybody. Well then the teacher was
Speaker 1: right back in the room. So yeah, that's pretty goddamn good. Man.
Speaker 1: Has anybody ever left the group? Um? No, man really
Speaker 1: left the group as far as me and him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: really left the group. He been didn't get a boy.
Speaker 1: He leave to win, said in front of the beginning.
Speaker 1: I ain't playing the whole game, man, I had to
Speaker 1: leave for my mental health. Man, you can understand that
Speaker 1: I got ship. I got in that. So so tell us, man,
Speaker 1: how was it like growing up in uh Orange Mountain?
Speaker 1: Orange Mountain, Memphis, right neighborhood? What's that that's the neighborhood? Yeah?
Speaker 1: How how was it like growing up there? Oh? Man,
Speaker 1: it was something special, man, you know because Orange Mound
Speaker 1: is like a town. Man, it's like a town. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's all like the second largest Uh, neighborhood to Harlem
Speaker 1: and uh, the first neighborhood uh uh in America built
Speaker 1: um for black folks and all black black people, by
Speaker 1: black people for black people. Right. Yeah, they bought it.
Speaker 1: It was an orange grove, you know, I hate that.
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly who it was they bought it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they bought it. It was an orange grove. And
Speaker 1: then they made these plots for black people to own
Speaker 1: their own. I think they started out with like fifty
Speaker 1: shotgun houses and uh, and it just grew. I heard
Speaker 1: that the original state site was a plantation. Yeah, damn,
Speaker 1: well that's that's all the southern reasons you want to
Speaker 1: say that. But yeah, yeah, but a lot of that
Speaker 1: area and there it was filled with plantations. You know.
Speaker 1: That's that's just recorded. But the Memphis area, I think
Speaker 1: Caryonville and all that, are they trying to gentrify Orange
Speaker 1: Mound right now? It is white people more out there.
Speaker 1: It is is still like yeah, they're trying to bleed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, and they're doing it there. I'm sure everything
Speaker 1: that touches and and and and Orange Mound touches. We
Speaker 1: we eached up that and and we so have they
Speaker 1: started buying an Orange Mountain. Have you guys purchased them
Speaker 1: land out there? Hey, buy that ship? Yeah, because a
Speaker 1: lot of people is hurrying up and buying it all
Speaker 1: like in Bok they're not really looking and they're paying
Speaker 1: over price for stuff. If you want a hunt it
Speaker 1: for this they give you and to give it to
Speaker 1: me right now and yeah and then that don't live there.
Speaker 1: You know, you really gotta have um the resources. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not just money, but the resources. Yeah, the resources, the connections,
Speaker 1: the access because like my kids, mom was trying to
Speaker 1: get me to buy like landing fifth Ward and in
Speaker 1: Midtown before it took off. Baby, this is back. You
Speaker 1: could buy a whole damn near city block in Midtown
Speaker 1: for a million dollars. That's not that it was way
Speaker 1: cheaper than that will here. Well, I'm telling you, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about a host. I'm talking about the block, the
Speaker 1: block grass Hun, I'm talking about the whole block. Yeah
Speaker 1: it was, it was, Yeah, but in any event, we
Speaker 1: know that was considered considerably lower than what it is now.
Speaker 1: The same thing with Fifth Ward. I mean I remember
Speaker 1: those plots, those lots back in the day when when
Speaker 1: I was you know, just getting real money we're talking
Speaker 1: for a lot, and that that same lot would run
Speaker 1: you two hundred and three hundred thousand dollars. And they're
Speaker 1: doing this in every city. Yeah, you know, America is
Speaker 1: is a cookie cutter country. You living anyone in America
Speaker 1: and you're living in the hood, make sure you buy
Speaker 1: that all that ship, buy it all by all, patch
Speaker 1: up and just buy all that ship. Yeah. We we
Speaker 1: work with people, man, you know that that do that though.
Speaker 1: So it's people that like uh that's involved with like
Speaker 1: our beard, the cat that owned the brewery that bruise
Speaker 1: our beard, and a couple of others like okay them
Speaker 1: cash and a couple of other like black business owners man,
Speaker 1: And they do a lot as far as trying to
Speaker 1: get you know, get people like us and others that
Speaker 1: don't have the resources the connections to get you in
Speaker 1: a position. You know. You know, they often say that
Speaker 1: fortune favors the brave, but it also favors the insight
Speaker 1: for the ones who have visions. Because I did not
Speaker 1: have that vision. Had I had the vision, oh it
Speaker 1: would be it would be over. You know, just ask,
Speaker 1: just ask. Back in the day, I was in New
Speaker 1: York with Chuck Dick damn. We were at a fight
Speaker 1: and Chuck said to me, Willie, they got this thing
Speaker 1: called the Internet, hm, and it's gonna be big. He said,
Speaker 1: ten years, half the households in America is going to
Speaker 1: have computers. Now I'm thinking to myself, well, I have
Speaker 1: the money and I don't even have a computer. How
Speaker 1: is that gonna happen? But it's Chuck d something giving
Speaker 1: him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what
Speaker 1: he's talking about. I just can't understand it. Right then
Speaker 1: he told me that we're gonna be getting our mail
Speaker 1: through our computers. I was He's like, We're gonna be
Speaker 1: getting the mail, you know, through computer, And I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think physical How you gonna have physical mail come through?
Speaker 1: He was talking about email. Chuck told me about the
Speaker 1: Internet now, and I'm thinking to myself, after it blows up,
Speaker 1: it took less than ten years, so I'm thinking it
Speaker 1: was more like five years or so three four three
Speaker 1: or four years or something like that. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: so after that, I started thinking to myself, Man, I
Speaker 1: was like, man, had I jumped on that? If I
Speaker 1: would have just taken a leap of faith and jumped
Speaker 1: on it, what could my life have been like financially?
Speaker 1: Perhaps I would have started the Internet company with ten
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and so my internet company a few years
Speaker 1: later for a hundred million dollars like Mark Cuban did,
Speaker 1: and maybe i'd be the owner of the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 1: But I didn't have the vision. So I promised myself
Speaker 1: after that I would have a better I would be
Speaker 1: open two new ideas and at least do my research
Speaker 1: before I eliminate the idea of doing it, pursuing it
Speaker 1: or not right, because because at first I was just like,
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't, I can't figure it out. I can't,
Speaker 1: I can't understand it, and I just leave it right there.
Speaker 1: It just dies right there. Now, when I hear something,
Speaker 1: I look into it first, Let me at least look
Speaker 1: into it. I found myself when when cryptocurrency came around,
Speaker 1: I found myself doing the same thing. I didn't catch
Speaker 1: my snap. Well, Buddy kept calling me saying, will will
Speaker 1: check out this big corn check it out, check it out,
Speaker 1: it's going, it's going to going. And finally I caught
Speaker 1: my snap and I jumped on big corn. At I
Speaker 1: jumped on and then I hit and then I reinvested
Speaker 1: in those corn and some other coins and from there,
Speaker 1: you know, I just been off to the races. But
Speaker 1: I said that to say, you have to have the
Speaker 1: fortune favors the visionaries, you know, you got to have
Speaker 1: that vision. And just like with real estate, you're not.
Speaker 1: You don't make your money when you know, with the news.
Speaker 1: You make your money with the rumor. Right, So when
Speaker 1: as a rumor it's going down, it's about to go down,
Speaker 1: that's when you need to be on. Like, that's when
Speaker 1: I should have been on with my kid's mom said, hey,
Speaker 1: you need to get on this room. It's gonna come.
Speaker 1: It's it's coming, it's coming. I waited till the news came,
Speaker 1: and then by that time the land was so now
Speaker 1: any land that I make a move on. Now, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at twenty years down the line, what it might
Speaker 1: look like thirty years down the line, you know, because
Speaker 1: you gotta be willing to plant seeds that you may
Speaker 1: not eat from, you may never see. Yeah, ready to
Speaker 1: lose that. Well, it's your legacy. It's for you, you know,
Speaker 1: it's for the people are after you. You know, that's
Speaker 1: how you gotta look at it, you know, especially at
Speaker 1: the age week. You know, you know thirty or four
Speaker 1: year plans. You know that's for your family. Yeah, y'all
Speaker 1: had y'all first underground UH tape was called listen to
Speaker 1: the lyrics, right, So then y'all hit y'all hit him
Speaker 1: with listen to the lyrics, and then y'all back door
Speaker 1: that with your first commercial album, UH coming out hard.
Speaker 1: So y'all said, y'all first told him listen to the lyrics,
Speaker 1: then y'all said, we're coming out hard. And then y'all
Speaker 1: found yourself on outside looking in, and then you came
Speaker 1: back with U on top of the world. You're on
Speaker 1: top of the world. If you listen just the first
Speaker 1: three albums, if you you know, including the Underground, if
Speaker 1: you if you listen to that, it tells a story
Speaker 1: really about your careers, right if you really listen to it.
Speaker 1: Because you guys are like you're you're, you're you're you're
Speaker 1: very successful, you're accomplished, but you're your low key stars.
Speaker 1: How do you manage to be under the radar still
Speaker 1: going to the respect of your peers Because we respect
Speaker 1: y'all and everybody that I know that understands this game,
Speaker 1: respect and its mutual musical. It's musical, yeah, real man,
Speaker 1: We just I don't know, man, we just gotta say
Speaker 1: we just try hard at being ourselves, you know, because
Speaker 1: you know, man, it's hard to keep an echo. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, man, it's hard. Remember that song we did,
Speaker 1: yeah he was on. I think it's on. It's onshing
Speaker 1: the bank. Yeah. Yeah. With us being ourselves all the time, yeah,
Speaker 1: it hurt you in some circles that help you. I
Speaker 1: can relate to that, yeah, you know. But always, you know,
Speaker 1: the fans appreciate that. We always just kind of be us.
Speaker 1: We stopped and take pictures, you know, you know, just
Speaker 1: keep it regularly and we when the we a lot
Speaker 1: of groups perform and deal, you know, do that stuff. Man,
Speaker 1: we out of here may and g sometimes stay to
Speaker 1: the lights, come on, man, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Just stuff like that and just being us man, you know,
Speaker 1: never change and kind of you know, trying to show
Speaker 1: the human side. Basically, how did y'all connect with Tony Draper?
Speaker 1: Oh man? Through mutual friends? Um friends that we knew
Speaker 1: that we went to school with, that he knew, and
Speaker 1: you know, and they put us together. They listened to
Speaker 1: the lyrics was out you know that came out. We
Speaker 1: was in the twelfth grade. Um it came out that
Speaker 1: summer or yeah that's something. Uh and uh it just
Speaker 1: it was one of them songs like they used to
Speaker 1: have a little slam of the jamming type of things
Speaker 1: and the gym man they played on the dumping. It
Speaker 1: might have played for like two hundred Knights on the
Speaker 1: row or something like that, like we want like for
Speaker 1: some months, like you know, every night it would be
Speaker 1: our song. You know, man, how was that? Man? How
Speaker 1: did that make y'all feel? No? Ship was crazy. We
Speaker 1: were still a lot of actions. Were still catching the
Speaker 1: bus man and I was catching the women too. That
Speaker 1: it was always us, you know, like we always mean uh,
Speaker 1: having having a having at least a local hit, don't
Speaker 1: hurt it most definitely uh solfing the side of not
Speaker 1: having no money yet were a little broke kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know we were still some little just some little
Speaker 1: broke kids. Man. We was cool with uh skipper school
Speaker 1: was a couple of chicks and smokers and weeds somewhere.
Speaker 1: But people looked at us as this you know, yeah, time,
Speaker 1: but it was you know, at what point do you
Speaker 1: meet Tony? What this like ninety two, something like the
Speaker 1: ninety it maybe in between that time. Do you remember
Speaker 1: the first day that you met him, what that was like,
Speaker 1: like what happened? What was said? Um, generally, you know,
Speaker 1: he was letting us know that he liked the music
Speaker 1: already and he was familiar with the music, and uh,
Speaker 1: he was gonna be staying in touch with us, and
Speaker 1: uh he had plans on doing something with his label
Speaker 1: and getting us to Houston. And I know he generally
Speaker 1: said that in the first meeting. And because it was
Speaker 1: just a bunch of like ome boy kicking it, him
Speaker 1: and our mutual partner come scoop us. You know, they
Speaker 1: had all the cars and stuff. Then you know they
Speaker 1: had the paper you know, paper draper they had, and
Speaker 1: so they came scoop us up and take us places
Speaker 1: and we hang out with them, and you know, in
Speaker 1: between and then just it was like it was October thirteen,
Speaker 1: but I never get um the week before that or
Speaker 1: something like that, he asked us, was we ready to
Speaker 1: be ready? I'm gonna get the tickets, y'all. Come on,
Speaker 1: the first time we flew in everything, we had never
Speaker 1: been on an airplane before. You know, it was my
Speaker 1: MoMA birthday. I never get their part. We was leaving
Speaker 1: on her birthday. So, but first time flying and everything
Speaker 1: came down the Agetown posted up. So yeah, so who
Speaker 1: was first? Who was first? Was it was it? You
Speaker 1: guys are tealer on Suave House? Yeah, so you guys
Speaker 1: was the flagship group? Well it was it was he
Speaker 1: had a group. Uh it was thorough and your board
Speaker 1: Now uh he had a group before us, uh smooth smooth.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, he had a group before us and then
Speaker 1: group that was his out of Houston. Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was his, like that was the that was just project
Speaker 1: and doing the independent label. Yeah. Well who who did
Speaker 1: distribution for you when your album came up? Uh? Back
Speaker 1: then it was probably Southwest and uh not coming out
Speaker 1: hard h that was Phillips New really and select them select,
Speaker 1: I don't know select in South Wales News. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you another question, like being artists on a label
Speaker 1: back then and then looking at as an artist right now,
Speaker 1: how is accounting? Are you being accounted to? You know,
Speaker 1: are you getting your publishing, your writers and all of
Speaker 1: that ship or is it's just one bit clusterfuck saying
Speaker 1: now right now? Are you getting all of your ship
Speaker 1: from back then it kind of is on that accounted to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've gone a whole bunch back the last like the
Speaker 1: first ten years after we left squall, we've done a
Speaker 1: whole bunch and we all were still only on a
Speaker 1: percentage of that stuff. Does it interest you to go
Speaker 1: back and get the rest of that publishing Yeah, working, working, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we feel like, you know, it's, um, we should have
Speaker 1: that now because other people have had it for us
Speaker 1: so long that don't let us at least die with it.
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean that publishing company, he's still
Speaker 1: got injuries in it, I do believe. UM. So it's
Speaker 1: a um, a statute or a law or whatever you
Speaker 1: wanna call it. That's set up right now. It's been
Speaker 1: said up since like seventy two artists. So make sure
Speaker 1: that you you know, from the time your album, from
Speaker 1: the time that album comes out until the thirty year period, Man,
Speaker 1: get your ship back, you know what I mean. That's
Speaker 1: the only way we talked about it all that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the only way we're gonna have some money when
Speaker 1: it's ship back. Talk about it all the time, and
Speaker 1: that's why Congress cut the deal. Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I mean, if that's that's what
Speaker 1: the law is, and that's what the law, ain't nothing
Speaker 1: we're making up with the law. If that's what the
Speaker 1: law say, that's only right. But I don't think that's
Speaker 1: the only way that we're gonna have some money. I
Speaker 1: think we need to diversify. Man. I want to be
Speaker 1: paid from from from from recording. I want to be paid.
Speaker 1: I want to be paid from this job. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like going to going working at
Speaker 1: McDonald You work all that time and you don't get
Speaker 1: paid until thirty five years later. You want to be
Speaker 1: paid for for working this job right here first? All right,
Speaker 1: I think it diversified back in ninety three, I've been diversified,
Speaker 1: but I still won't get paid from this job. Well
Speaker 1: that's good, I mean you should. You should be paid
Speaker 1: for me any job that you put in work. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, honest day's work for honest days pay. But
Speaker 1: I but I you know, as a businessman also, I'm
Speaker 1: on both sides just like you, as a businessman and
Speaker 1: you know, as somebody who has been a label exact
Speaker 1: and as an artist for most of my life, I
Speaker 1: can tell you that a deal is a deal until
Speaker 1: you can go out there and make a better deal,
Speaker 1: do you gee know what I'm saying, Because that's why
Speaker 1: they got these contracts, you know, like bottom line man,
Speaker 1: Like you know, the the music industry does not favor
Speaker 1: the artist period. We all know that. It's always been
Speaker 1: like that. It's been that like that from day one.
Speaker 1: So if you can go back and you know, make
Speaker 1: a better deal for yourself, then hell yeah, knock it
Speaker 1: out the park. That's that's what it's for, Yeah, for
Speaker 1: the artists to be able to make his deal with
Speaker 1: his publishing. That's why they created the UH copyright termination
Speaker 1: is what it's called. Because most artists are young and
Speaker 1: in spirit and inexperience, you know when start off, you know,
Speaker 1: they're either literally children or close to it, you know,
Speaker 1: into their challenge or what they do. They're not and
Speaker 1: so it should be some relief later on after you
Speaker 1: get wiser older. It's the best time to to get
Speaker 1: your uh, your copyrights back right now because you you settle,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what you know, what you want
Speaker 1: to do that should be passed down, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it should be you know, at the minimum, you know,
Speaker 1: uh passed down to your children, you know, because that,
Speaker 1: because that's kind of shitty man. You know, if you
Speaker 1: think about it, if you think about like some of
Speaker 1: these artists who have signed these um eternity deals and
Speaker 1: ship and you know some years down the line, this
Speaker 1: is this is an artist that shut the world, I mean,
Speaker 1: made the world entertain the entire world and sold millions
Speaker 1: of records, and that artist died broke, and that in
Speaker 1: that children don't have anything either. That ship ain't cool.
Speaker 1: And you know that's why, that's why that certain levels
Speaker 1: of protection in Hollywood for young for young actors. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know you're very well, all right, you don't mean that.
Speaker 1: Go ahead expound, Willie, you don't mean that. If I
Speaker 1: said that, I meanted I'm here to represent it. Make
Speaker 1: me not will tell me why you don't believe that.
Speaker 1: I don't believe it. You can't just can't just throw
Speaker 1: out accusations and ship you got without any type any
Speaker 1: type of you know, solid uh poof behind. Do you
Speaker 1: think that? Talk to him? Let me, let me, let me,
Speaker 1: let me get this together. So you gotta ask Willie
Speaker 1: hypothetical questions. What if? So? Yeah, what if what if
Speaker 1: somebody that you didn't like? Mm hmm, I'm not being
Speaker 1: with it? Hey? What what? What? What? What? Is somebody
Speaker 1: that you didn't like? You'll give him some money? Would
Speaker 1: I just give somebody some money? Or would you let
Speaker 1: I'm just not giving nobody ship? Would you would? You? Would? You? Would?
Speaker 1: You would? You? Would? You want his daddy? Don't leave
Speaker 1: him something? Are you wouldn't give If it's somebody that
Speaker 1: I don't like, I don't give a funk exactly, go
Speaker 1: ahead at all? I know we're not go ahead, So
Speaker 1: I know you don't mean that. You know you know
Speaker 1: this dude right there? Man? You know, man, sometimes sometimes
Speaker 1: I believe that this guy has a personal relationship with
Speaker 1: the devil. I think they talking ship like ain't good morning,
Speaker 1: good morning? How many people died today? That was great,
Speaker 1: shoulder man got to have that shot the show. We
Speaker 1: just dude, I ain't gonna lie. Man. When I was
Speaker 1: standing outside nine point nine uh, smoking a big a
Speaker 1: perfecto blunts at that show with y'all and Luke that night,
Speaker 1: I never thought I'd be sitting here right now doing
Speaker 1: this podcast. We appreciate doing. Man. Man, it's a world away.
Speaker 1: We are a world away. We are that night, but
Speaker 1: we are venturing off into tried the territory of us
Speaker 1: being here. Yeah, you feel me, Y'allways, you know large
Speaker 1: didn't life to us? Man face used to put up
Speaker 1: on the bikes hit up, yeah, Man, did you have
Speaker 1: a full on one of those bikes? Not that I
Speaker 1: can recall. Willie, I ain't fall He used to pull
Speaker 1: up with them boys though every time I ever thought
Speaker 1: about getting the bike, Uh, somebody would fall and die.
Speaker 1: And I just like, you know what, you know, I
Speaker 1: ain't fail. Ain't there? I know. I'm just asking, man,
Speaker 1: how was it working with Puffy Man? Sight from the
Speaker 1: really talking about didn't you crash on the bike? Like
Speaker 1: I actually, have you ever crash? I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 1: It was not affirmative. I ask you, had you ever crashed? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like working with Puffy Man. Did he
Speaker 1: come in there and actually hit the drummer? Put the
Speaker 1: album out? Did you hit the drum machine? Did you
Speaker 1: hit the drummer? Shee? He hit the drum machine? Did
Speaker 1: he actually come in and hit the drummer sheet? Was
Speaker 1: he just sucking around? Did he? I didn't never see him?
Speaker 1: Did he produce anything for y'all know? Most of the
Speaker 1: stuff that it was produced by Uh, producers from over
Speaker 1: there with a lot of people. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of just different producers were really uh in the you
Speaker 1: know how you uh get in that time in your
Speaker 1: career where you are just doing like don't matter because
Speaker 1: we were so used to medic with T mix for
Speaker 1: ten years, you know, so s so you're trying to
Speaker 1: do this new thing, you know, to keep it, keep
Speaker 1: keep the legacy moving forward, and so you're open to
Speaker 1: these these these different ideas. But how was the experience overall?
Speaker 1: Would you say? Was it a different? Was the difference
Speaker 1: working uh, working with that group as opposed to working
Speaker 1: with Drake? Uh, it was most definitely different. But like
Speaker 1: in most places, you know, we kind of find our pocket,
Speaker 1: you know, and wherever we wherever we didn't recorded it,
Speaker 1: but if we always do us. But it was like
Speaker 1: Suave House was like to me Rap a Lot or
Speaker 1: or even Bad Boy, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: we were the you know how uh death Row all
Speaker 1: these family style entities, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: that's how Suave House was and Bad Boy was that
Speaker 1: with their original people. We weren't originals, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, came after we came in. It was kind
Speaker 1: of in this transition. They in transition had more stuff
Speaker 1: going on at that time. He was not as hands
Speaker 1: on it was used to be around a lot. But
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say hands on. Like before he happened to
Speaker 1: pick the beach, changed did a lot of that. He
Speaker 1: didn't change the page picked up produced. I would say,
Speaker 1: you know, produced as far as really listening to stuff
Speaker 1: and set and listening. But we still had like full
Speaker 1: creative control and what we wanted in the songs. Were
Speaker 1: wanted to do titles everything. Man. You know, UM, when
Speaker 1: I think of producers, I think of like somebody that's
Speaker 1: in the studio that's um actually kind of sort of
Speaker 1: directing ship. You know, hey, don't start, you don't start
Speaker 1: right here, like go in on the on the on
Speaker 1: the downbeat. You know that's the type of ship that
Speaker 1: that Um. That's all part of production. Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: all a part of it. And you know he was
Speaker 1: a mask at that ship. Trey Dr Dre was a
Speaker 1: motherfucker at that ship. Man, like like timing and okay,
Speaker 1: put the get talk back in right here and promot
Speaker 1: dope like that. You know what I mean? Like the
Speaker 1: motherfucker's is like we got some cold producers give that.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of motherfucker's make beats. Motherfucker's like
Speaker 1: tone capone like they fucking producers bro like they really
Speaker 1: or hands zoned and not just just coming in there
Speaker 1: putting their name in there when it's done. You see
Speaker 1: a lot of niggas put their name on ship I did. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: they want they they they their names is tied to mind,
Speaker 1: But it was actually me who did the ship whose
Speaker 1: name is tied to yours when you actually did the ship,
Speaker 1: you guys, I mean, look at anybody, anybody, anybody's name
Speaker 1: that's next to mine in production is lying. They're lying.
Speaker 1: If their name is next to yours in production, there
Speaker 1: lying pull that like to see who's lying. Let's see
Speaker 1: is that particularly I am. I can go to any
Speaker 1: one of the motherfucker I want to go to Maid.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Ahead made classic. You know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: pick the class the class. I think it's a game.
Speaker 1: When it's cot and brains, it is not the same.
Speaker 1: What you expected was the spark dog, but not the flame.
Speaker 1: I can stop the rain, okay, r ai n or
Speaker 1: r e g Yeah either rain, like I can stop
Speaker 1: that ship. Stop let's just gangster ship talk me like, so,
Speaker 1: I would like to see here credits. I mean it's
Speaker 1: very important that because this is about information that instructions, right,
Speaker 1: perhaps we can save the next producer side. There are
Speaker 1: the slash producers from making the same mistake, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure that Brad would welcome such. Let's see made is
Speaker 1: the Night Studio album by Scaring goddamn It two thousand seven. Okay,
Speaker 1: well are these credits. Let's see label producers. I played
Speaker 1: the baseline and never Okay, let me let me find
Speaker 1: the track listing in the producing production for each track,
Speaker 1: play the guitar never never you o Joe drama boardy
Speaker 1: is not that? No, that's not but I played the
Speaker 1: base on their drama boy came with the with the
Speaker 1: original beat. Alright, Joe did the drums over. I played
Speaker 1: the base on the guitar on. Man, your name is
Speaker 1: not on any of these made tracks. And then look
Speaker 1: at look at Boy means Girl. That's me and my
Speaker 1: uncle right there. Whoever put their name there is lying
Speaker 1: Boy meets Girl? You know, Joe, John Beato, Mike Dean,
Speaker 1: fucking Nope, so you know Joe didn't do it either.
Speaker 1: Joe might have laid the drums to that ship from Heavyweight.
Speaker 1: She just named man man Joe, Joe. I gotta get
Speaker 1: Joe his card, man, but I can't get nobody else
Speaker 1: to out out. Okay, So I'd like to You're just
Speaker 1: from you know, the sake of argument, I'd like to
Speaker 1: put up at least one moment to my first half balance,
Speaker 1: which one go to my first album, first album. Here
Speaker 1: we go, scar Faces, Joe's dope. Yeah, man, Hey, all
Speaker 1: that ship was classic, man, but we just gotta be authentic,
Speaker 1: man and just tell the truth. A lot of ship
Speaker 1: that this game. That's that's everybody's so sensitive now. I'm
Speaker 1: very sensitive now about my ship cause a lot of
Speaker 1: motherfucker's put their names on my sho it and their
Speaker 1: names ain't supposed to be next to my name on
Speaker 1: my ship. Okay, okay. Track listing, here we go, Here
Speaker 1: we go, emotion making. They don't even have the they
Speaker 1: don't even have the production, can you okay? Okay? The
Speaker 1: pim I did that Born Killer Simon did that Crazy
Speaker 1: see Ye murdered by Reasons. I did insanity. Your ass
Speaker 1: got too. I did that Diary of a mad Man,
Speaker 1: Big Rolling from New Orleans did that big rolling body Snatchers.
Speaker 1: I did that. Money in the Power Beato did that.
Speaker 1: PT Peter Roling, I did that Good Girl going Back.
Speaker 1: I did that a minute to pray and sad. I
Speaker 1: did that. I'm dead, Simon did that? Okay? For the
Speaker 1: songs that you named that you said I did that.
Speaker 1: Was that any point in history where you saw someone
Speaker 1: else's name credited? I mean, I think Doug King might
Speaker 1: have his name attached to my ship. That's not true,
Speaker 1: Doug King, he might have What did Doug do anyway? Man?
Speaker 1: Because Doug, Doug, Doug is the same, He's the same
Speaker 1: person that Mike Dean is. They are engineers that put
Speaker 1: their name on your production. Because I was like, I
Speaker 1: saw Doug King name on my tricks on me, I
Speaker 1: did that ship? Get your name on my ship? I
Speaker 1: did that ship. I did my mind playing tricks on me,
Speaker 1: Duck king lyon. He's a fucking engineer, dude, he did ship.
Speaker 1: That's me. Now go find us some most ship that
Speaker 1: with Doug King name on it, and you can't because
Speaker 1: that ship came out. That's me cold. If Doug was
Speaker 1: sitting here right now, Doug kissed my motherfucking ass right now,
Speaker 1: if he was sitting here because he didn't do that ship,
Speaker 1: well guess what audience we got, Doug. You know it's
Speaker 1: been rumored that, um, it's been rumored that I'm sharing
Speaker 1: production on sex Faces. Oh and and I know for
Speaker 1: a fact, you know, ABC another bad creation. That's another
Speaker 1: brand creation. Mike Dean played some keys on it, but
Speaker 1: for the most part, and you can ask Mike, I
Speaker 1: did that? So how did that? How do we really
Speaker 1: needed this problem? What do we do? We make motherfucker's
Speaker 1: come clean, make him come clean and and tell the
Speaker 1: truth and shame the devil. So after they come clean,
Speaker 1: history must be correctly written. Right, So you have to
Speaker 1: go back into those credits, and well you got to
Speaker 1: go back. You can leave you you can leave the
Speaker 1: credits like they are. Just no, you just want the
Speaker 1: truth to be I just want the truth to be revealed,
Speaker 1: because you know what, if you listen to anything else
Speaker 1: that came out of anybody else's ship, it don't sound
Speaker 1: like that. You know why, because you ain't built like that.
Speaker 1: You ain't got that. I am the vibe. If you
Speaker 1: ain't got the vibe, you're just recklessly making beats my nigga,
Speaker 1: you got to have to vibe. I was born with
Speaker 1: the vibe, man, vibe. That's why I ain't making no
Speaker 1: beaks and no wraps no more. He got that vibe. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: you ain't got to vibe. No. I got the vibe,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna keep it to myself cause niggas keep
Speaker 1: claiming my vibe no more. I mean, why not If
Speaker 1: somebody's claiming your vibe, you know, why not? Why not
Speaker 1: do something to stop him from claiming it? And just
Speaker 1: can't tell you and get your vibe? You better do
Speaker 1: another album. Perhaps I'll do your whole album. The first
Speaker 1: of all, this is this is let me explain something
Speaker 1: to you now. I ain't trying to leave this is.
Speaker 1: This is the classic. This is rock and hide in
Speaker 1: your hand right because he knows I'm about to tell
Speaker 1: everybody that is asked is Lyne. Because he said this
Speaker 1: at least Willie, I am not lying, told the same
Speaker 1: line at least a half a dozen times, Willie. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna produce your album, Willie. I'll produce it, William. And
Speaker 1: so you know what you do when Brad start lying,
Speaker 1: you just call him on it. This say all right, man, uh,
Speaker 1: see you in the studio Monday. Man. Uh, like I
Speaker 1: got to go out to Miami. Yeah, Man, yeah, Man
Speaker 1: yeah Man uh yeah man Man. Man, you someone that
Speaker 1: I'm young and the restless. It's always something. Man, my
Speaker 1: knee hurt. I gotta go get some blood work. I
Speaker 1: gotta go get some blood work. I gotta go do
Speaker 1: a makeup show. I'm staying in the house because I'm
Speaker 1: saying I'm staying in the house because they're saying smost
Speaker 1: supposed to snow. You know, we don't get no snow
Speaker 1: in Texas. Were in Houston. But anyway, man, we talked
Speaker 1: about Drat, we talked about Puff. What about your working
Speaker 1: relationship with t I. How did that go? What was that? Like?
Speaker 1: It was kind of the same with did Man. He
Speaker 1: was he were going through so much at that time.
Speaker 1: At the time, he was kind of going through them
Speaker 1: cases at the time, like I couldn't get a lot
Speaker 1: of hand. It coincidentally happened around the same time, around
Speaker 1: the time we went there. Shortly after that, you know,
Speaker 1: he was in conservrating. Yeah, y'all did y'all wing with
Speaker 1: down the album? That was I didn't know that, uh,
Speaker 1: And then like you know, he got out and then
Speaker 1: got inconsiderated again, and that it was during the time
Speaker 1: we was over there. So where do y'all hear some
Speaker 1: damn paper rentling and ship like crumbling down all that
Speaker 1: old ship? Yea, hear some ship like that? Go ahead?
Speaker 1: He got out, He got out. Yeah, man, he got out.
Speaker 1: You know, the effort was there. You know, he put
Speaker 1: great album, great effort. The album was most definitely out
Speaker 1: of the alum um. But I think it was kind
Speaker 1: of lost in the publicity of you know, what he
Speaker 1: had going on. You know, it was kind of bigger
Speaker 1: than what we were doing at the same time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: e forty too short. I asq snooped up m Mount Westmore?
Speaker 1: Who is you guys? Is Mount Well? Mount ten Moore, Tennessee? Well,
Speaker 1: you know he goes fulheads on the mountain. You don't
Speaker 1: know I'm talking about Tennessee, Tennessee, because you know, you
Speaker 1: got you got some, you got some cats out, you
Speaker 1: got some I got And also Forgotti and don't don't
Speaker 1: don't forget the youngsters. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: got out there. That's that's doing it too. Who's on
Speaker 1: your in there? If going all the way back to
Speaker 1: the beginning Spanish fly Yeah, I would have to start
Speaker 1: off with with with cats like um Gangster pet Oh
Speaker 1: my god, got about three six pretty toning Player Flayer
Speaker 1: fly Um player fly Yeah man three six. Um Project
Speaker 1: Pat is my guy. I love Project DJ Squeaky Squeak.
Speaker 1: He's definitely the creator of too thick Um the sound.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah man. Uh and like um Dolph Dolph is
Speaker 1: a fool dog money bag Um you said, got it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Gotti is a fool GUARDI of course, uh, Gotti a
Speaker 1: fool and um And you know it's a lot. You know,
Speaker 1: we're kind of making a lot of noise right now,
Speaker 1: so we're really trying to keep up. Yeah. Well, I
Speaker 1: know that Um Memphis is Um Isaac Hayes right the parcades,
Speaker 1: um Stax Records, stacks. But it's one Memphis artist that
Speaker 1: I want to mention, but I don't want to mention
Speaker 1: by name. Okay, all right, but his last name is Presley,
Speaker 1: And I want to personally say Elvis was a hero
Speaker 1: the most, but he never means to me. Simpling Plane
Speaker 1: straight up races motherfuck him and John Wayne because I'm
Speaker 1: black and I'm proud most of my hero don't appear
Speaker 1: on no stamps. Have you ever been out to Grace Land?
Speaker 1: I have not. No, have you ever y'all never been there? Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you the truth. Tell me all right.
Speaker 1: You know when you walk past it? No, no, I said,
Speaker 1: we've walked pasting the drove past. We don't live in
Speaker 1: that area, so we're only you're not even allowed over
Speaker 1: the hunt. Oh no, it's a straight tourist like it's
Speaker 1: they it's I've seen the damn plane over there with it.
Speaker 1: Then he was making when they got his plane over there,
Speaker 1: They got a new stadium, all type of hotels. But
Speaker 1: it really but it's on the main part about it.
Speaker 1: At the house, it's like sitting on West Him. They
Speaker 1: caught it, but it don't really look that big. It was.
Speaker 1: It was that was a man. The house my mom
Speaker 1: working sixty years look exactly like that John, same size
Speaker 1: and everything you feel and but on the elves pressly
Speaker 1: no man uh. I used to watch his movies. Man,
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, I was at home alone
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, mom working and stuff. And Elvis
Speaker 1: was a funny dude man, Like it's funny how you
Speaker 1: make you laugh. You hear the music, just how he
Speaker 1: was the it's the Hollywood machine and what they made
Speaker 1: of him, you know what I mean. And it's just
Speaker 1: just it's funny man, that's all. So he's he's like
Speaker 1: f U d D Why fuddyduddy d u d D?
Speaker 1: Why Buddy Duddy? Just fucking you know. He was the
Speaker 1: he was the playboy in every one of his movies,
Speaker 1: Like he got all the girls. What about when he
Speaker 1: got fat though, when he got fatty, he had a
Speaker 1: big hands lamp. But some things went right here he
Speaker 1: was he wasn't in the movie mud that right there,
Speaker 1: muddon ud. Yeah. I don't think he did too many
Speaker 1: movies when he got to the fatty. Wasn't that Ba
Speaker 1: was eating them hamburgers. They watch that Bobby keep playing
Speaker 1: cross street from Elvin's house for hamburger joining something that's
Speaker 1: close by Elvin's house by the plane. Well that was
Speaker 1: that was so long ago. They might have told that
Speaker 1: mother down to be at the stadium stuff. Yeah, so much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because when we were going out to Memphis like back then,
Speaker 1: really like it wasn't a whole lot of ship out there.
Speaker 1: And now you said they got baseball stadiums and ship
Speaker 1: oh yeah, memphiss. Really it transitions, like you know, it
Speaker 1: ain't aged town, aged town, y'all lost that he grew
Speaker 1: changed so much from twenty years ago. But yeah, man's
Speaker 1: just uh growing all the time. You know, we distributed,
Speaker 1: so it's it's man, go by that ship, y'all Amazon
Speaker 1: and all that time, Man go by this ship. Man,
Speaker 1: it's coming, it's coming. Go go to the the niggerish
Speaker 1: neighborhood you can find and if you see an empty lot,
Speaker 1: just buy it, just buy and have it. That's in
Speaker 1: case they want to tell that ship down to put
Speaker 1: them all that. You gotta spot there and they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to bid for by that ship. Man. Yeah you
Speaker 1: weren't on a new project, Yeah you are? Yeah yeah
Speaker 1: yeah man. You know what, even if it ain't gonna
Speaker 1: come out, we are always doing work. How many how many?
Speaker 1: How many albums? Records? How many records you think that
Speaker 1: you have, but like that hasn't come out. That's it's
Speaker 1: in the arsenal ship. I probably got a three albums,
Speaker 1: four albums. You got about four albums. I got more,
Speaker 1: probably more than that. I got a studio in my house, Willie,
Speaker 1: before I unplugged all that ship, I'll just be making music,
Speaker 1: making songs. But now I don't even go up there,
Speaker 1: and no more. I fucking unplugged that ship a little. Recording, man,
Speaker 1: I hate recording now a little. I think it got
Speaker 1: too difficult because when ship went digital, you know, computer SS.
Speaker 1: I got SSL in my house. You got computers and
Speaker 1: SSL s, and I adn't never been able to do
Speaker 1: nothing this stuff. I'm lost without an engineer. I'm just
Speaker 1: during the pandemic. I learned proteols, and yeah, I learned proteols.
Speaker 1: I learned SSL long time ago. When I first bought
Speaker 1: my studio, I had an engineering there and I used
Speaker 1: to have to wait on him to do anything. I
Speaker 1: couldn't do nothing. Very I felt hopeless, and one day
Speaker 1: I asked him, I said, man, show me how to
Speaker 1: work this day. He's like, well, you know, man, if
Speaker 1: I show you how to work it, you know it'd
Speaker 1: be easier for me to just do it, man, because
Speaker 1: it's gonna takes so lots of man. That was insulting
Speaker 1: my elligence. And I was like, man, just show I
Speaker 1: was like that was a job security response, right, So
Speaker 1: I was like, man, just show me how to work it.
Speaker 1: And so the man refused to show me. He always
Speaker 1: had an excuse. So one day I just started, like
Speaker 1: I asked another producer engineer to come over and show
Speaker 1: me how to work it. So I had an engineer
Speaker 1: coming over every day just showing me. And each day
Speaker 1: I learned one or two things. You know, you could
Speaker 1: start off with, how to turn the volume up, turn
Speaker 1: it down, how to fade, you know, and just and
Speaker 1: and as you as I learned, I just it just
Speaker 1: kept growing and growing and growing to one day he
Speaker 1: called me and said, hey, we are man. How you
Speaker 1: do this? I got so good that I became a
Speaker 1: better engineer than he was. And I remember when I
Speaker 1: first started, I used to look at dudes doing the
Speaker 1: engineer and stuff, and I thought, man, you had to
Speaker 1: be a genius. I thought you had to be a
Speaker 1: genius to do that. But then I saw Brad doing it.
Speaker 1: I was like, you can do it. I can do
Speaker 1: it because if you put us in the room right now,
Speaker 1: think about us, I can record your whole Yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: come out. We don't need you can record it. We
Speaker 1: don't need. You don't need to produce a engine that
Speaker 1: you put us on the room. We can come out
Speaker 1: with all no ship. That's impressive. Everybody in this room,
Speaker 1: everybody you know, But that's a that's a thing like
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, we can go in the
Speaker 1: room beats everything. Don't uh if you got pro tools
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. Man, he don't show you how
Speaker 1: to do that. I paid thing. If you got a
Speaker 1: booth and all they fired that nigga. Man, you know what,
Speaker 1: I ain't no good engineer, you know, show you that thing.
Speaker 1: Mike Dean, Mike Dean. It's probably one of the best
Speaker 1: engineers in the world. Yeah, I give him that. And
Speaker 1: he's probably one of the best musicians too. He could
Speaker 1: play every thing. It's nothing that he can't play. Yeah. Stevo,
Speaker 1: that called Stevo. That's my personal engineer. And I can't
Speaker 1: record without Stevo. Yeah, Like we've been doing this ship
Speaker 1: so long together until he already know. It's a chemistry.
Speaker 1: It's a chemistry with me and Stevo as engineers. You know.
Speaker 1: So even though I know how to work that ship
Speaker 1: or I know how to mix that ship or whatever,
Speaker 1: I still have dude in there. I don't even you know,
Speaker 1: I gotta have him in there because and make it
Speaker 1: and make the make it, make it way smooth engineer
Speaker 1: that know you, It just makes it flow smoothing. It's
Speaker 1: that much. Even though I know how to do it,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it. M I want to
Speaker 1: grab that. Yeah, pop quiz, what is the name of
Speaker 1: the very first hip hop song album that Mike Dean
Speaker 1: produced them? The very first hip album? Mhm, it had
Speaker 1: to be uh my street life song? Was it a
Speaker 1: rap a lot album? It was a rap a lout album?
Speaker 1: The first Girl Boy three two? Nope, I'm just getting
Speaker 1: gangster Nope, nope. Who Willie d going out like a soldier?
Speaker 1: Willie I didn't Street life and ninety fucking one or two.
Speaker 1: You see, I forgot about that ship. Just what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I did, I did, but I did going out
Speaker 1: like a soldier ninety two. So if you did street life,
Speaker 1: you always did your records after mine, right a wrong?
Speaker 1: Right a wrong? I don't even know when you do.
Speaker 1: You always drop you always dropped your records after I
Speaker 1: don't even know album. And I'm trying to think. He
Speaker 1: always tried to act like he don't know ship, but
Speaker 1: he be he This is the one they going on
Speaker 1: like I sold you come out this one. This is
Speaker 1: like one of the most snooping motherfucker's you're gonna have
Speaker 1: a meet in your life snooping snooping. This motherfucker a man,
Speaker 1: he'd be looking and looking at snooping, like trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what's the hell going on? So he played
Speaker 1: country dumb, but he knows what's going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's thinking this ship man eating canny and ship while
Speaker 1: we're doing an interview. That's all that throwing y'all right there,
Speaker 1: because you think, man, who the hell sits up and
Speaker 1: eat candy while conducting not not not doing interview, while
Speaker 1: conducting an interview, He's keeping it real. This guy's keeping
Speaker 1: it like, yeah, it's got a conductor. Are you Are
Speaker 1: you even supposed to be eating candy? Man? Listen, Willie,
Speaker 1: we talked about this. You talked about this, you know,
Speaker 1: because look, man, I mean I I called Chris right
Speaker 1: now and telling the report that kidneys. If you called
Speaker 1: Chris Nick bring his ass up here. We got to
Speaker 1: get me because we we got to take care of
Speaker 1: that kidney. Man. You can't be just getting that kid
Speaker 1: sucking it up, just eating whatever you want to eat. Man,
Speaker 1: we got to go through all this ship again. Man
Speaker 1: trying to do all that in the hospital. You're gonna
Speaker 1: take it back, I called him. And it took nine
Speaker 1: hours to get my kidney putting in right next day.
Speaker 1: Really came up down in the hospital. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: just fucking shocked because I went from a nigger on
Speaker 1: his deathbed, a nigga bouncing off the walls. Back. Hey,
Speaker 1: that boy was happy. He was scared though when he
Speaker 1: was before he went into the knife, he was skinned.
Speaker 1: I wasn't scared. Mann to the knife, man, Brad, look man, listen.
Speaker 1: Brad called to me like, hey, Willie, I love you, man,
Speaker 1: I know your man. I don't even like Willie, so
Speaker 1: I know for a fact I didn't say that. I
Speaker 1: didn't say that, Willie. I don't even know what. I
Speaker 1: was walking my dog when COVID first came out, when
Speaker 1: you got coble, you remember that. You don't even remember that.
Speaker 1: And I was face taying you. He was like, ball,
Speaker 1: go back in the house. I don't even walk the dog.
Speaker 1: Go back in the house walking to down. Man, go
Speaker 1: back in the house. In the house. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: real man, it's just real man. Real. Yeah, he knows
Speaker 1: what he said. He know. I know the truth. He
Speaker 1: knows the truth. But hey, man, but I'm glad you're here.
Speaker 1: Brom and I always it was a success. We get
Speaker 1: more success, But I'm not glad I'm here with Willie.
Speaker 1: Ye man, y'all love each other like brothers, like dog. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't be shane a little each other like that. You know,
Speaker 1: it's real man that be here with that bullish. That's
Speaker 1: that's why if if I'm ever in a place where
Speaker 1: we're having a gathering, and you know, I know, and
Speaker 1: I know, and I know it's a favorite dish that
Speaker 1: he wanted to make sure you eat all that ship
Speaker 1: you come. That's how you do. That's how you get
Speaker 1: them back. These are the type of things that people
Speaker 1: can't get over. You can't get over, get get over
Speaker 1: kind of shootings and stuff. But you eat that that
Speaker 1: last become fine. Some areas that are what did you
Speaker 1: call it? Okay? Yeah, because we caught it, but at
Speaker 1: a certain points of the country they say, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was such a um mhm. It was such an honor
Speaker 1: and a pleasure to be able to to just watch
Speaker 1: the growth of eight Ball and m j G. You
Speaker 1: know from um the way that that album coming out
Speaker 1: hard you know, and just watching the coming out hard,
Speaker 1: you know, in the transition into space, age's pimping and
Speaker 1: you know, just it's just big records. Man. That was wow. Wow,
Speaker 1: just rap styles, different cadences and and niggas just just
Speaker 1: knew how to Niggas from the South that knew how
Speaker 1: to control the mike, you know, MCing, mike controlling, you know,
Speaker 1: handling it and and and I of the growth. Man.
Speaker 1: I remember came over to the house that y'all was
Speaker 1: living in off a beach that back there by what's
Speaker 1: that ship called fun Plex shooting basketball man. Y'all, y'all
Speaker 1: nigga was working in that studio, bro trying to garage
Speaker 1: and turning the garage to a studio and just just
Speaker 1: that transition right, just watching y'all do that ship man
Speaker 1: was was was inspirational, you know to me too. You know, like, man,
Speaker 1: these niggas is going to day doing it in the garage. Man,
Speaker 1: And we was doing Ship and in in in the studio.
Speaker 1: After that first album, we was going to big studios
Speaker 1: and spending money. But y'all, y'all, Ship was sounding you know,
Speaker 1: just as good, if not better out the garage. You know,
Speaker 1: we was we was maning. We was following y'all day. Man,
Speaker 1: you can best believe we looked at y'a all the
Speaker 1: same way. Like from the south, y'all was not just
Speaker 1: on it from the south of y'all as substance, and
Speaker 1: that was probably the most important quarter of and you
Speaker 1: know and everything ghetto boys substance. And then you see
Speaker 1: all this stuff we just named when you was saying
Speaker 1: that thing like we was like and we was real fans,
Speaker 1: man like for real, for real, like of that whole movement.
Speaker 1: Man like all them artists Man k ring No, and
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he was he was he
Speaker 1: was a lot of stuff with like yeah three too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but man, we listened to all of that, man, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about and that that that a lot of the
Speaker 1: music and stuff. Uh, it shaped a lot of what
Speaker 1: we became and what we were doing as well. You
Speaker 1: know that Yeah, that whole um, the atmosphere that was
Speaker 1: created with all these groups working together. You know, uh,
Speaker 1: that that that was being emulated, man, not only by us,
Speaker 1: but by all the people who you know, don't admit it,
Speaker 1: but man, they got that from I think you know
Speaker 1: Rabber Rabber the first that was the that was the
Speaker 1: first step. That was you know what I mean, honestly, man,
Speaker 1: we were pattned a lot of I grow from the
Speaker 1: man because we went from the garage studios to the
Speaker 1: big joints, and you know, you end up finding out
Speaker 1: that the garage John's are where we want to be.
Speaker 1: That I mean, I to paying all that money for
Speaker 1: them big studios and all that. But we, man, we followed,
Speaker 1: you know, followed y'all pals man, you know, like y'all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did the whole on Top of the World album
Speaker 1: in a bedroom, and that's because we was in the
Speaker 1: transition to move into another spot. You know, we had
Speaker 1: already been using the big studio and all that the
Speaker 1: last couple of albums, but we was in the process
Speaker 1: of moving, so we had to go through our studio
Speaker 1: that was in Garge And so we did that whole
Speaker 1: album in a in a third bedroom. Uh and uh
Speaker 1: our girl Katie, Katie may house and she still lives
Speaker 1: in the same residence right now. So Louise, I don't
Speaker 1: man and one of them bed room. We just say
Speaker 1: that the same man. You know, it's musical, man, to
Speaker 1: love the the respect and everything. Man, it's musical. Man,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be no us without yall without really, at
Speaker 1: some point a good student will become a teacher. And
Speaker 1: that's a testament to the statement that people make oftentimes
Speaker 1: when they reference you guys, they say that you guys
Speaker 1: have laid the foundation of the Southern Sound today today sound.
Speaker 1: How do y'all feel about that statement? Man? It's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we just makes you go back and think,
Speaker 1: um about how long you've been doing it, um, and
Speaker 1: maybe the influence maybe uh, you know, I look at
Speaker 1: it like, um, maybe you know I understand because you
Speaker 1: you know, we knew how them times was back then,
Speaker 1: you know, coming from the South, and uh, it wasn't
Speaker 1: a lot of representation for the South, you know, like
Speaker 1: you know, the East Coast had a grip on the game,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, first feature I heard south to East
Speaker 1: Coast you and cool Gi rap Yeah, and that we
Speaker 1: did that on and we did that on the West
Speaker 1: Coast and I never heard that before, like the East
Speaker 1: Coast and somebody like him, somebody from the South, you know,
Speaker 1: and you don't want to uh diverse that that bill
Speaker 1: late for Coogi rap I wrote that did you know
Speaker 1: that Willie No, he wanted to vaguely remember something like
Speaker 1: that happening now really really didn't do the record. We
Speaker 1: did a lot of shout out cool g rep to
Speaker 1: g rap Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We had some good
Speaker 1: times with a little bit. Yeah. Oh did pulenty time
Speaker 1: over this house, smoking out, kicking it. Y'all? Was Bill
Speaker 1: cool to be around with, y'all? He times we was around.
Speaker 1: I don't think we were. You know, people like Bill,
Speaker 1: y'all spent more time with him. So y'all know Bill
Speaker 1: for readers, yea, let the build that you know Bill
Speaker 1: got Memphis. Yeah, he had his moments and ship, but
Speaker 1: never like probably y'alls. Yeah. Yeah, one thing Bill pass
Speaker 1: that blunt don't know. I'm not passing. We had some
Speaker 1: good times back in Houston too. Yeah. Man, what other
Speaker 1: good times you guys want to have? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's good times and maybe it's just legacy building here,
Speaker 1: but what other what else do you guys want? Is
Speaker 1: there anything else that you want out of this hip
Speaker 1: hop game? Oh? Man? I just wanted keep flourishing, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: keep growing and uh keep evolving. Man. Uh uh it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's a voice. You know, it's a voice. Uh. Man,
Speaker 1: it's the youth. Um, and I think, uh, it kept
Speaker 1: us all young. I think, uh, I think it kept
Speaker 1: us all all in this room. And and um, it's
Speaker 1: like something in the water, you know. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: when hip hop came alone, you know, it made us
Speaker 1: as a whole culture more youthful and more youthful thinking.
Speaker 1: Like if you look back at old pictures in old times,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, um, it's like a lot of
Speaker 1: youngsters was in a hurry to get old, look old,
Speaker 1: start acting old, you know, like you know, like when
Speaker 1: you look back, you know, like in the thirties, fours
Speaker 1: and fifties, and you look at some of them hit
Speaker 1: is you know cats, you know it was twenty two
Speaker 1: already looking like you know what their granddaddy looked like,
Speaker 1: you know, just but selling in them ways, you know early.
Speaker 1: And I think hip hop a different fort The hip
Speaker 1: hop made a different made forty different in this atmosphere.
Speaker 1: Made And not to say that you know, the older
Speaker 1: cats wasn't on the game and only hustle, but I
Speaker 1: think hip hop just made us more youthful, youth for thinking.
Speaker 1: And you know you're right about that, man, because when
Speaker 1: I was growing up, I mean, a forty year old
Speaker 1: pretty much looked like a grandmother. Now yeah, grandmother, remember
Speaker 1: looked like But I mean when I was in my
Speaker 1: team with some forms and Cats and two would be like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's no rep. I listen to blues. I listened to this,
Speaker 1: you know, I remember this. You know that cats who
Speaker 1: was and they twenties, was like, we don't listen no rep.
Speaker 1: You know, back at a certain time. But now everybody,
Speaker 1: everybody Hill, you know, everybody want to be hip and
Speaker 1: you know it's a good thing. You know. I think
Speaker 1: man hip hop and ball and ge Man. I think
Speaker 1: you know, we have made a mark. I think we
Speaker 1: are yet to make that mark that's gonna really you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be we I can't say what it is. But we've
Speaker 1: been kept around for a reason. And I know that
Speaker 1: we start. Yeah, and we we love this. We love
Speaker 1: the music man and and and and I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: this out there. I'm gonna leave alone. Marlon and Primro
Speaker 1: would have been Model and Primro if we was working
Speaker 1: at fed Ex, them too, niggers that work in fed Ex,
Speaker 1: they'd be tripping, sneaking in the back smoking weed all
Speaker 1: that that would have been. If we were truck drivers,
Speaker 1: we would like always with them old at the truck
Speaker 1: stopping would be tripping man, you know, we would have
Speaker 1: been them guys. My my last question, My last question, primro,
Speaker 1: have you have a lot letter? And on that note,
Speaker 1: we're out of here. Before I let you guys go,
Speaker 1: I don't even want to know this. I want to know,
Speaker 1: are you guys in the crypto. I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: into it all right, Yeah, we're gonna rap man, please.
Speaker 1: I had the same story you had about the years
Speaker 1: ago with the computer things. Years ago, a friend of
Speaker 1: mine talked about it. Don't remind it, and they mind
Speaker 1: it for a long time, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And look now and just look at it now, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I just thinking we had
Speaker 1: got in on anything you could mind because we most
Speaker 1: definitely had people around us telling us about it. Definitely.
Speaker 1: It's still a lot of great projects that come out
Speaker 1: on crypto damn their daily uh. And and it's still
Speaker 1: very very young. Although Crypto a lot of people are
Speaker 1: catching on. You know, the numbers of the percentage of
Speaker 1: people in the US especially, it's going up around the
Speaker 1: world they got the US, I pacede. But in the
Speaker 1: US that number is consistently going up. And you know, hey, man,
Speaker 1: now is the time, like now is the time. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know a suite of game. I just
Speaker 1: don't know a sweeter game. I mean I've made I've
Speaker 1: made more money in crypto in the last five years,
Speaker 1: and I've made in thirty years. And here almost at
Speaker 1: coast partners each and every one of Yeah, and in
Speaker 1: the last year, man, man, I mean last year takes
Speaker 1: out all years combined. You know, like crypto is where
Speaker 1: it's that we'll have a conversation. It's good to see y'all.
Speaker 1: It's good to see y'all come out. Man, Good to
Speaker 1: see yall and good spears, good health. And it's also
Speaker 1: good to see you guys still have that that hunger,
Speaker 1: that drive to get to get Morely, we appreciate. We
Speaker 1: don't do this for nobody else. Man, y'all remember that
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Speaker 1: what m you did. What I'm saying, no more talks.
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