1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: with on our radio. Hey guys, welcome to the Almost 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: Famous podcast. It's Ashley and it's been How you doing. Ah, fantastic, 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: just incredible really because I think you got on and 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: said you had an emergency at one of your restaurants. 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: What's going on? Just COVID's crazy. So we have a 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: lot of outdoor seating right now, and today was our 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: first day doing this. Is gonna be so born, but 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: it's actually I'll be quick. Monday's just like most cities, 10 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: every restaurant in town is closed, and so Ashkara, one 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: of my restaurants, is doing a industry brunch on Mondays 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: now where it opens up just for people who work 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: in the restaurant world so they have a place to 14 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: go and hang out and drink. And so we just 15 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: had some like logistics stuff. So I ran down there, 16 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: got back and now I'm doing my favorite thing that 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: I do every week, which is talked to you about 18 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: all these fools in bashel a nation. Okay, let's go 19 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: dive into bachelor headlines now, and speaking of fools or 20 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: not fools, will start with the mildest of all headlines, 21 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: it's one that Chris Harrison made this week. He said 22 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: that his son Joshua is by far the most even keeled, 23 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: the least dramatic figure that has ever been part of 24 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: a Bachelor show. If you guys don't know, his son, 25 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: Joshua has been quote helping him out while he records 26 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: the Goat episodes from home. I think there might be 27 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: more of a crew than just Joshua, but it's a 28 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: cute little thing to play along with. Yeah, they're definitely 29 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: following the COVID rules and there's I'm sure josh is 30 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: held now and again, and they figured out ways to 31 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: make the most out of the Goat seasons. Here's the 32 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: here's the real thing. I would love to talk to 33 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: josh for a second, because josh is airing on ABC 34 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: right as his colleague career is beginning. Yeah. Can you imagine, 35 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: like if you're in college and you walk in there, like, wait, 36 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: I've seen you on TV. You're like, yeah, I'm Chris 37 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: Harrison's son. Like that dude is walking on water in college. Yeah, 38 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: that's really cool, especially since the Goat episodes aren't even 39 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: done airing, so the kid is basically on ABC Primetime 40 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: and just moving into his college dorm. I was him 41 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: my college dorm just because I'm a lot worse of 42 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: a person than Josh's. Um My door would say Chris 43 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: Harrison's son, and then it would have Roses on it. 44 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: And every Monday night now that I'm on TV, I'm 45 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: having a watch party for just a meat and you 46 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: just just to meet and mingle with anybody that wants 47 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: to come in my dorm and think about the possibility. 48 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: Something tells me that you wouldn't be doing that. However, 49 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: what a fantastic idea if he wants to be a 50 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: little bit, a little bit more low key about it, 51 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: to just be like, oh hey girls, um yeah, my 52 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: dads Chris Harrison like, of course I have to watch 53 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: the show. You can come over to my dorm on 54 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: Monday nights. Come on over, say hi, I'll give you 55 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: the inside scoop. Uh huh. You want to see roses. 56 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: You want to see if my driveway really is that 57 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: wet all the time? Come on, come on, let's talk 58 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 1: um other headlines. It's been a bit since we've talked 59 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 1: about this guy. It's been too long, Tyler Cameron. He 60 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: says something that I feel like it's pretty pretty bull 61 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I thought it was a little bit bizarre. Um, okay, 62 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: so here's the headline this week. Tyler said that if 63 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: he and Hannah ended her season together, that they would 64 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: currently be planning their wedding. And I'm like, wait a second, Tyler, 65 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: So if you ended up with her and just for something, 66 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: you know, like she didn't pick Jed, she picked you, 67 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: you really think you'd be planning your wedding currently? Because 68 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: I just don't believe this, because these two have become 69 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: such good friends and they spent so much time in 70 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: quarantine together that if they were going to indeed be 71 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: planning a wedding, if they ended up together at the 72 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: end of the season, then they would just be together 73 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: right now as a couple and not as friends. Right. Actually, 74 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: I could not agree more. Okay, So if you're saying 75 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: we're we have the potential of getting married, right, Like, 76 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: if you're looking at another human going like I would 77 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: marry you, I'm single, I would marry you. Would be 78 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: excited about that, like you are my person, you're my partner, 79 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: Then why talk about it, like, just do it or 80 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: at least together. If you were that certain that you'd 81 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: be planning a wedding absolutely crazy. Next timeline, ABC releases 82 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: new Bachelortte teaser with Claire Crawley. But here's the interesting part, 83 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: and I want to hear your opinion first, But no 84 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: sign of Ta your Adams in the trailer this week. 85 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna just mesh some two headlines together here. This 86 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: week was the first week that Tasia has been spotted. 87 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: There are photos of her onset at La Quinta, So 88 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: now I guess we all know there's proof that she 89 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: is playing some sort of role in this season of 90 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: The Bachelorette. In this promo that came out on Tuesday, 91 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: it's Claire not really showing too much of her face, 92 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: a lot of like those quick body shots. She looks 93 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: stunning from what we can see, and she's toss and 94 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: roses around us every bachelorette does in her promo, and 95 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: Aretha Franklin's Respect plays in the background, which I think 96 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: is a perfect theme song for Claire season of the Bachelorette. Um. 97 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, of course they're not gonna they're They're not 98 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: confirming that there's any sort of Bachelorette switch up in 99 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: this promo. They're just gonna keep on pretending that it's 100 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: it's a one bachelorette season. Oh, I do want to 101 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 1: go back and talk about where where in this world 102 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: Claire and Tyler Meat and that is with with his 103 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: best friend Matt James. And if you guys remember it 104 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,559 Speaker 1: was a hot topic that we we broached a couple 105 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: of times earlier in the summer. Claire was not a 106 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: fan of Tyler's best friend and now our future bachelor, 107 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: Matt James, being on cameo before filming what would be 108 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: her season, because you know, before all of this, Matt 109 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: was supposed to be a contestant on her season. Wow, 110 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: He says that, you know, as much as he hopes 111 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: that Claire and the guy that she presumably chooses to 112 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: leave the show with have a happy, long lasting love 113 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: she as he also says, quotes. The funny thing is 114 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: Matt had a cameo, but the guy that she picked 115 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: also had a cameo, So you know it's interesting. Yeah, 116 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: I mean we've seen now Claire was obviously a little upset. 117 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: She was trying to understand what I mean. We have 118 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: to give Claire a little grace um now, because when 119 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,239 Speaker 1: she said this, her world was like falling down around 120 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: her like she was announced to the Bachelor at COVID hits, 121 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: everything changes, everything stops. She probably wasn't like uh, just 122 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: super peaceful in those moments, like I'm sure there, I'm 123 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: sure there was some like anxiety at least there would 124 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: be with me. But yeah, somebody had the last laugh. 125 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: Matt James will be the next Bachelor and supposedly the 126 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: guy she picked was on cameo. Well a ha ha, 127 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: interesting how that works. Well. Speaking of bachelorettes, h Andy 128 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: Dorfman has actually agreed and we're so pumped about it. 129 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: It's been a long time coming to be our next 130 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: in depth episode. So we will be interviewing Andy um 131 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: diving into who she is now, who she was before 132 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: the show, who she was during the show. I'm super 133 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: pumped for it. Andy has never been held back and 134 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: I think this is the perfect format for all of 135 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: us to get to know her better again. I am 136 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: so excited to interview her and her her love interests 137 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: of long long ago. Nick by All will be coming 138 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: on our podcast later today to talk all about you 139 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: know the franchise today and his Goat episode, which will 140 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: be airing on ABC next Monday. Our Last Hot topic 141 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:47,359 Speaker 1: is a big hot topic. That's because it is the 142 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: first Bachelor divorce. Chris Radone and Crystal Nielsen have gone 143 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: forward with the decision to file for divorce. As you 144 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: guys know, they decided or announced their split in February, 145 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: and they definitely left the door open for a reconciliation, 146 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: but it seems like that separation has now become a divorce. 147 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: She said on her Instagram. The past eight months have 148 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: not been easy. I've been torn between morning of life 149 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: that could have been and determined to fight for a 150 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: future that I know I deserve. She said, with respect 151 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: and support for one another. Chris and I have decided 152 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: to move forward with filing for divorce. Divorce. As you 153 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: guys probably know since you're a hardcore Bachelor fan, Chris 154 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: um Lacy and Marcus got married in a ceremony in 155 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: Bachelor in Paradise too, but they never actually filed marriage paperwork, 156 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: so they were never divorced. So that makes Crystal and 157 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: Chris's separation the first Bachelor divorce. It's unfortunate, you know, 158 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: you and I were both that wedding. Ah. I knew them, 159 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: you know, through times in Vegas at the I Heart 160 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: Music festival and and also through the podcast. This is 161 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: never a fun thing to go through for anybody. It's 162 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: even harder when it's public, and so yes, it is 163 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: really the first, but it's also a moment to show 164 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: them some love right now. Um, it's not easy, I'm 165 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: sure for either of them. And and maybe in the future, 166 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: when things have healed and time has gone on, I know, 167 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: you know for me it happens, we can maybe get 168 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: one of them on to kind of discuss just how 169 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: life has affected them and how this whole process works. 170 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: But until then, Chris and Crystal are filing for divorce, 171 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: and we should say, like Chris, we had a comment 172 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: on social media this week that she's moved on. I 173 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: think some fans think that he's alluding to her finding 174 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: somebody else and that being the reason that they're they're splitting, 175 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: but it was very vague and I wouldn't look too 176 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: into to it. Chris did not post anything on Instagram 177 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: besides that this week, and um, I also think that 178 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: we should just mentioned that, well, Ben and I are 179 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: friends with Crystal and Chris. Where those kinds of friends 180 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: that like you see each other, but I don't know 181 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: the ins and outs of what they've been going through 182 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: the past few months. So I don't really have anything 183 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 1: else that I want to add about the split, well, 184 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: actually change gears a bit. We do have Nick File 185 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: coming on the podcast here in just a second, but 186 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: before we take a break, I do want to kind 187 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: of go back to this last topic and ask you, 188 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 1: the listener we talked about all the time on here, 189 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: you hear's bring it up. I don't think we ever 190 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: get clarity, and it's always an interesting topic to dig into. 191 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: Please email us at Ben and Ashley at I heart 192 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: media dot com. The question this week is how soon 193 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: is too soon to move on? We'll take a break, 194 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: we come back. Nick Vile will be joining the almost 195 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: famous podcast yea Up next is a man himself, Yes, 196 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: the man himself, the one we will be watching, the 197 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: one we have followed, the one we have rooted for, 198 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 1: and the one that we are still rooting for today, 199 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: and we have the unique pleasure to have him on 200 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: the almost famous podcast right now, Nick, what's up dude, 201 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: hey buddy, And what a pleasure it truly is. Thanks Nick? 202 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: All right, Well, next week your Goat episode is airing, 203 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: and you have a really cool thing that You've been 204 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: doing um and airing over the past couple of weeks 205 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: leading up to this. It's basically a spinoff of your 206 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: viall Files podcasts and it's Patreon. Can you tell everybody 207 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: what what? What's a look out for? Yeah? I mean 208 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: I think people think spin off just because obviously I 209 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: have my podcasts of Vile Files. But I had this 210 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: idea of of recapping my episode of The Bachelor, and 211 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: that was mostly because it's actually available on HBO Max, 212 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, to like it. It's streamed, and so a 213 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: lot of people were tweeting about me or messaging me 214 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: and saying, oh, I'm rewatching your season. And there are 215 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: a lot of podcasts out there that kind of go 216 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: back and recap uh old episodes, like the Office Ladies 217 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 1: podcast that does the Office, you know, and I thought 218 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: all that would be cool. I mean, it would to 219 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: recap my season, but I I didn't want to do 220 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: it on the vial Files is because it's just kind 221 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: of too much batchelor content constantly, and and I wanted 222 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: to have its own separate place because you know, I've 223 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: been asked to do a tell all and I'm sure 224 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: Ben's ever you know, been asked to do a tell 225 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: All and like I Tell All book, and that just 226 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: didn't seem like something I wanted to do. And more specifically, 227 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: it seemed a bit one sided in the sense that, like, 228 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: I didn't we just want to just I didn't want 229 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: to just tell my story. I thought it would be 230 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: more fun to to have some of the women involved 231 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: as I kind of recap, because I was plenty on 232 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: doing it on my own and maybe just with like 233 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: some friends, like some comedy friends and kind of and 234 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: I thought, well, I'm curious if the women would do 235 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: it if I asked, I'm and I did, and they 236 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: all seemed really excited about it, and it end up 237 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: being a lot of fun and I think in some 238 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: ways therapeutic for us all. But it was a really 239 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: interesting to just sit down with all of them. A 240 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: lot of these conversations I had with them were kind 241 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: of the first real conversations I had with them since 242 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: the season. So you know what it was like with 243 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: Raven or Cared or you know, Vanessa Um, I hadn't 244 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: like really sit down with them and and share my 245 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: point of view and then have them share their point 246 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: of views about like things that we experienced on the show, 247 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: So I thought it was a really unique situation, and 248 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: I just decided to put it on Patreon just because 249 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't put on my podcast and it's 250 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: ad free. I didn't sell any ads to it, but 251 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: I did produce it on my own and and and 252 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: you know, invested a lot in it. So yeah, ended 253 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: up being a ton of fun. And uh, so far, 254 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: everyone who's been listening to it, it's really enjoyed it. 255 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: And there's definitely some behind the scenes you know, information 256 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: or tea and and it was just really just a 257 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: fun project. I wasn't really sure how it would turn 258 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: out when I first started doing it, but it really 259 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: came together as as well as I hoped. And now, 260 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: as your friend, I think, oh, I gotta listen to 261 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: the Vanessa podcast because you guys haven't stayed in touch 262 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: or anything, and I'd love to hear your interpretations of 263 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: your relationship, especially towards the end. But was there one 264 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: guess that you had on that really surprised you that 265 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: you think is a must listen for anybody out there, 266 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: like somebody who you have a great friendship chemistry with. 267 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: They were all unique and fun in their own way, 268 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: like I had, Actually Angela on is the first one 269 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: to help kind of recap night one, and for those 270 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: of you who may not remember or may remember Angela. 271 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: If you remember Angela, it's probably from Paradise, not necessarily 272 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: my season, because she went home night one and that 273 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: was a lot of fun, just because there's a specific 274 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: story in terms of how and why she got sent home, 275 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: and I kind of go to the process of what, like, 276 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: what it's like night one for the bachelor bet serette 277 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: to make their decay asians and how you kind of 278 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: worked with producers. But there was a very specific story 279 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: in terms of why I sent her home, and she 280 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: didn't know, and so I kind of shared with her 281 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: my point of view and then she asked some questions. 282 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: That was a lot of fun. Karn's was really interesting, 283 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: just because you know Karin, I think, more than anyone, 284 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: was the most reflective of her time on the show. 285 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: She was obviously a big character in my season, and 286 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: I think we've both had he It was just a 287 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: really kind of honest and fun conversation. But I think 288 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: it was the most revealing I think, especially about Karin. 289 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people will listen, uh look 290 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: at Karin kind of in a different way, not necessarily 291 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: that was good or bad before, but just you you 292 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: you experienced kind of a lot of reflection from her, 293 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: and and I thought that was just really interesting. And 294 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: Ravens always you know, fun to talk to you because 295 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: she's always very honest. I mean, I've I've had Rachel 296 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: on my podcast a lot, but you know, her and 297 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: I have such a rapport that we really just kind 298 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: of kept just talking about oh and remember this and 299 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: remember that. So they were all kind of fun, but 300 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: the Karin one for me was the most um interesting, well, Nick, yeah, 301 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: minus the Vanessa one, which is kind of its own. 302 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: It's a special interview. Well, we last week on the 303 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: podcast had brought up you know, Karin made headlines because 304 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: she openly spoke about um, her her time on your 305 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: season and how she and I quote what Krince says, 306 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: acted like a psychopath. Nick, I'm sure you've you've gotten 307 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: to dig into that a little bit, and I know 308 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: that comment comes with a lot of depth. So what 309 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: is it that you've learned about Karin now based on 310 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: you know, and you don't have to share it all, 311 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: but what have you learned about her as a human 312 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: and this reflectiveness that you just spoke of, well, I mean, 313 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: you know, I think that was that psychopath is just 314 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: a sound bite because Karan is still Karren, and she 315 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: that's how she talks to just describe herself. But I 316 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: don't I don't like she meant that in a little 317 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: all sense. But I think she talks, she talks about 318 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: how she's a different person. Um. Not only do I 319 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: not want to spoil the patreon, but I also don't 320 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: want to miss speak and speak for her in terms 321 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: of paraphrases, because that conversation had a couple of months, 322 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: a couple a few weeks ago. But you just, I 323 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: think see some maturing on her part in terms of 324 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: UM looking back, I think, Um, I think you also 325 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: listening to back, I think regards of what your thoughts 326 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: on her, how she handled herself, I think, Um, you 327 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: appreciate the level of sincerity that she had even when 328 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: filming back then, you know you might you if you 329 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: were whatever you thought of what she did on my season. 330 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: I think after listening to my conversation with her, it's 331 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: what's evident is kind of her sincerity about um just 332 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: going through the process, you know, right, reason, the wrong reasons, Like, 333 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: you know, everyone has their opinion about how you should 334 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: go about things, and just because you might be playful 335 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: or sarcastic and and all those things doesn't necessarily mean 336 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: that you are lacking sincerity. And I think that was 337 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: really evident, especially after sitting down and talking with Karin. 338 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: You recently talked about the fact that you feel like 339 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: your season was overly sexualized. It starts out with Liz 340 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: coming out of the limo in an episode one, you 341 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: find out that you and Liz slept together at Jaden 342 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: Tayner's wedding, and then you know, you had the past 343 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: of Caitlyn sleeping with you early and then talking about 344 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: making love with Andy and the fantasy suite, so you 345 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: expected that it would be a topic that was brought 346 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: up a lot. But did it get to the point 347 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: where it was annoying or you felt almost disrespected? Well, 348 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say over sexualized, but it was certainly sexualized. Um, 349 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: And I think I got annoyed and frustrated, just like 350 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: every lead does about whatever it is the show decides to, 351 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: you know, overplay, you know, I'm sure, Yeah, I'm Ben 352 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: gets tired about the unlovable thing I'm sure right, just 353 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,719 Speaker 1: it just gets old. Um. Sometimes people play into these 354 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: narratives themselves. Sometimes that's what the show decides for them. Um. 355 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: On some aspects, I didn't mind being the sexual bachelor 356 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: to a certain degree. I'm a sex positive guy. I 357 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't think it's something we should shy 358 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: away from talking about. But there's always that kind of 359 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: tipping point where you feel like it people started making 360 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: generalizations and assumptions about you, and I think to that, 361 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: and it can certainly get frustrating. Um, no more frustrating 362 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: than anyone else. But I don't think it was um 363 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 1: any worser or or less played out than any other season. 364 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: You know, that's just happened to be, you know, my 365 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: story arc for them, And I gat there's some pros 366 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: and cons to it. Like sometimes I I I think 367 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: of myself as a progressive person, and so there's a 368 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: progressive element to that. It wasn't always viewed it that 369 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: way in the moment, but UM, I think it aged, 370 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: it has aged well. I guess you could say, you know, 371 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: one of the interesting things that you're not even able 372 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: to talk about, uh, looking back now, the goats reairing 373 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: so like it or not, you spend at least a 374 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: few moments or maybe a week or however long, kind 375 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: of reminiscing on the season, remembering the season, thinking about 376 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: how long ago was and how much you've changed now 377 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: looking back since it's it's re aired. What what do 378 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: you see in yourself as your biggest takeaway personally as 379 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: your from your time as the Bachelor leading up to today. 380 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: I think I wore my hair too high my entire 381 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: season a little high. I love high hair, that's my thing. 382 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: I can't have high hair, so I guess, yeah, same 383 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: thing about you. Yeah, I mean, you know what, it's not. 384 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: It hasn't a been that long, and it wasn't as 385 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: if I was at a different point in my life, so, 386 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: you know, unlike Krin who talks about she was maybe 387 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: on the younger side even even her age that she 388 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: was at, and she feels like she's maybe grown as 389 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: a person in that time span, I don't know if 390 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: I really have all that much in terms of where 391 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: I was in my life then versus now. I think 392 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: looking back and watching it, yeah, there's certain some cringey moments, um, 393 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: but that's just reality TV. Um. Yeah, I don't I think, Yeah, 394 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: it's it's I don't have I don't have this great 395 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: epiphany I guess is what I'm saying in terms of 396 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,959 Speaker 1: what I learned or anything like that. It's always one 397 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: of those things. Anytime you go through an intense experience, 398 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: you sometimes wish you would have relaxed a little bit 399 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: more and enjoyed the journey than you did. But that's 400 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: I think easier said than done. Is as the lead 401 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: of that show, you're not Yeah. I mean, that's one 402 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: of the things you and I've been able to connect 403 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: on from our experiences is just how I think I'll stressed. 404 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: We both were through the whole thing somehow, some way, 405 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: just wanting it to be the best possible um experience 406 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: for not only ourselves, but the women involved and the 407 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: crew and the whole thing, just knowing that it's unfamiliar 408 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: to all of us. And if I look back in 409 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: somebody who asked me that question, I think one of 410 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: the things that I don't necessarily regret, but I wish 411 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: I would have done differently is enjoyed a little bit 412 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: of it, because it's hard for me to look back 413 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: and go, that was fun. I've heard leads say it 414 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: was fun. I can't necessarily define it as fun. Yeah 415 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: either either would I. I mean it's interesting interesting because 416 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: like going back and talking to a lot of the 417 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: women from my season on my nick v Talks Trash 418 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,719 Speaker 1: TV project, it was fun to talk to them and 419 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: you know, you you know, they're different, I'm different, and 420 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: I guess in some sense of the word. But um 421 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: so yeah, without any steaks involved, people are a little 422 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: bit more lighthearted and and easy going, and so it 423 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: was it was way more fun to talk to all 424 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: these women now and again you think to yourself, oh, well, wow, 425 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: how how nice would have been to like have this 426 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: kind of lightheartedness with these women then as the Bachelor 427 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: than I do now? Sure, but again they're nervous. I'm nervous. 428 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: It's just again easier said than done. But yeah, in 429 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: the utopian world, would it have been great to just 430 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: you know, I guess that's the problem with sometimes that 431 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: show where it doesn't work, is it's sometimes really hard 432 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: to have natural conversations, and sometimes the relationships that do 433 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: well are the ones where people seem to be themselves 434 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: and even a tougher situation. Um, which if that makes sense, right, 435 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: you know, going off that you've had so much time 436 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: with Rachel. You've cultivated a great relationship with her, a 437 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: great friendship. Um, you respect her immensely in another world 438 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: where you've got to spend more low key time with 439 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: your contestants. Quote quote even though I don't like that word, 440 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: would you ever think that you've maybe would have ended 441 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,479 Speaker 1: up with Rachel instead? No, I mean I really don't 442 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: have any regrets in terms of decisions I made or 443 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: have things would have played out differently. I have a 444 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: great respect for the women on my season. It's you know, 445 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: especially Rachel, just because she's the person I've probably been 446 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: closest with since my show. And it's even been reading 447 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 1: nice to reconnect with raven and And and talking with her. 448 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: It was really easy for us to kind of go 449 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: back and the natural chemistry we had. I don't mean 450 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: romantically or anything like that, but like it. It was 451 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: so easy for me to talk with Raven and And 452 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: I think we we You you hear that in in 453 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: our conversation, and I think, uh, but yeah, I don't. 454 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: I don't think, uh that means I would have, you know, 455 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: with more time, I would explore things more romantically or 456 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: just because Vanessa and I didn't work. I don't. I 457 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: don't kind of have revisionist history that way. UM. So yeah, No, 458 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: the we have been able to interview a few of 459 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: your women who will be coming up on a future podcast. 460 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: One of them that stood out to all of us 461 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: and has always and is Angela. Um and and then 462 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: we had Alexis, and then we had Christina, and then 463 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: you you just mentioned Vanessa and Raven and Rachel. Your season, 464 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: Nick was just full of incredible women who we've gotten 465 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: to know more and more ever since this season airing. 466 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: I know, for me, I look back and it's like, 467 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy that so many incredible people spent 468 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: their time um to date or try to date you 469 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: on this crazy experience. As we close here with you, 470 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: is there anything that you'd like to say the fans 471 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: or to the women that were on your season, Uh, 472 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: looking back on your time as the Bachelor, I mean 473 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: I think I watching it back, Um, you know, I 474 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: watched it with a kind of a sense of pride. 475 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: I think it was a really entertaining season. I think, 476 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: like you said, it speaks a lot to the women 477 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: that were on my season. If there's anything you know, 478 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: I think sometimes as the Bachelor, maybe you you can 479 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: shed some light on this bed in terms of there's 480 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: there's so many nuances or things that go on to 481 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: be in the Bachelor. There's finding love obviously, and that's 482 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: your personal kind of um priority, But there's a sense 483 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: of you're you feel like you want to hell, it's 484 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: a show and you want to make it a good show. 485 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: You want people to enjoy watching it, right, and and 486 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: some times things weren't always easy. I appreciate, especially to 487 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: after talking to these women, um you know, some of 488 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: them have said like they were I was the perfect 489 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: Bachelor for them, and I didn't really think anything of 490 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: that at the time, and Raven said it to me 491 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: a couple of times, and I've really learned to come 492 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: to appreciate over the past few weeks, just because they 493 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: they were a group with a lot of different personalities 494 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: and a lot of um you know, big personalities in 495 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: a great way, which can make for really entertaining TV. 496 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: And I'm I'm glad that I made them feel comfortable 497 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: to be themselves and that they were able to be themselves. 498 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: And again back to the kind of progressiveness or the 499 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: sexualization of myself or whatever, like I guess I'm glad 500 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: it all worked out in that way where they didn't 501 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: feel like I would ever be judge or anything like that, 502 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: where I was the type of person they felt comfortable 503 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: that they could, like Raven could tell me that she 504 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: kicked out of her boyfriend once or whatever, or Raven 505 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: or Karin could do some of the things that she did, 506 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: or Alexis could tell her kind of witty, dirty jokes. 507 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: And I guess I'm glad that they were on my season, 508 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: and I'm glad that they um felt comfortable enough with 509 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: me to be themselves. So Vanessa got engaged this month, 510 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: and of course you're very happy for her. I know 511 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: you're happy for but I need to but I can 512 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: get Can we get a quote a little bit more 513 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: than what you wrote underneath her Instagram? I mean truly 514 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: that that is true. As a result of you know, 515 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: Vanessa and I hadn't been following each other, you know, 516 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: since we were broken up, and we kind of talk 517 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: about that a little bit in terms of how we 518 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: unfollowed each other after we broke up. But as a 519 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: result of us talking, um, I uh, I followed her. 520 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: I followed her, and then I got I kind of 521 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: text him like, hey, I started following again, she followed 522 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: me back. UM, and I probably would, you know, I'm 523 00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: sure I eventually I would have heard the news. But 524 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: I'm thankful that, um, we we connected so that I 525 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: felt comfortable enough to to reach out privately as well 526 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: as you know, I text her first privately and then commented. 527 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: And I guess I'm just glad that we're at a 528 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: place where I felt comfortable enough to do that, as 529 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: opposed to, you know, just saying as you suggest again, 530 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: like of course someone would publicly say something nice. You know, Um, 531 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: I guess I could have said nothing at all, but 532 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: it was nice to be able to reach out to 533 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: her privately and wish her congratulations and and things like that, 534 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,719 Speaker 1: and UM, yeah, I guess I'm just thankful that I 535 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: was in a position to do that. Um, And if 536 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: she had got engaged, you know, two months ago, it 537 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: might not have been the case. Yeah. So that's great 538 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: because I know that a lot of people, well they're like, oh, 539 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: why did you have to do it on Instagram, Like 540 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: why did you do it publicly? Well, it was like, 541 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: to be honest, well, I did it both ways. But 542 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: if I didn't do it publicly. Then you guys would 543 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: like on me and like you didn't say anything. It's like, 544 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: oh really, because I didn't stay it in front of 545 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: your face. Yeah, I don't look try to look too 546 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: much into that, but in that case, yes, you you 547 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: can never win with anyone on the internet, so I 548 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: try not to. But um, yeah, but I'm happy for her, 549 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: and UM, I'm definitely glad we were able to get 550 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: this recorded before she got engaged. Hey, friend of friend, 551 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: host a host, We're glad you're the bachelor. Thanks for 552 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: sharing this time with us. Thank you for uh for 553 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: walking us through the season, and again, make sure to 554 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: check out Nick's show on patron It's Nick v Talks 555 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: Trash TV. You're the man, Nick, Thanks for coming on 556 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: and best of luck with everything coming up. Thanks buddy. 557 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: You know, actually I do have to pause here. We've 558 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: gone through bust of the podcast now. But if I 559 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: sound stuffy, every once in a while, get like a 560 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: tweeter an email being like that, are you sick? Are 561 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: you okay? You sound stuffy? List time? I have an excuse. 562 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: I live in Denver, and right now we have five 563 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: fires that are within like two miles of the city 564 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: and they're all the smoke is sitting on top of 565 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: the city right now, and it is like an overcast 566 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: haze and everybody I know has like sinus issues and 567 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: I'm struggling, like it it hurts right now. That sucks. 568 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: I'm blown. Yeah, No, it's why they are. That's a 569 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: good I never even thought about it that way. I 570 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: thought it was like, this is a little gross, but 571 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: I thought, are they bloody, like because I'm so dry 572 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,719 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, And I think it's like I mean, honestly, 573 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: I think it's smoke in elation. Like they have warnings 574 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: out so if you're anywhere in Denver, you know what 575 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. I just also wanted to like preface 576 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: this with saying, I'm okay, I'm healthy, I'm good. Maybe 577 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: it's allergies, maybe it's ok who knows, Ashley, It's been 578 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: a fantastic podcast obviously, Nick it's always one of our 579 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: our favorite guests. And uh, I'm excited for his good 580 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: episode because I remember the day he was announced as 581 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: a bachelor, and I at that time didn't know Nick 582 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: do well. But I was excited for it because I 583 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: thought it was going to be super dramatic and really 584 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: I felt like his season, it was a memorable season 585 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: because of the cast involved, and that cast is still 586 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: is really still in the public eye today doing some 587 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: great things. So I'm pumped for this Goat episode. I'm 588 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: pumped to catch up with the contestants and uh yeah, 589 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: it's just always nice to have Nick on Ben. I 590 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: have an email. We haven't done a listener emails in 591 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: a long time, and there are fun and I would 592 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: love you guys to send more questions our way. I 593 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: have one that is so good and it's for Ben. Okay, 594 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: I'm a little curious about how you're going to to 595 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: answer it, right, so it goes Ben. Help, How in 596 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: the world do I write an online dating profile without 597 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: self describing? Can you give me some suggestions? And I'm 598 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: like listening to I'm listening to this and I'm like, 599 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: you know what, it sounds hard, but you can do it. 600 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: You basically just um h, how do I work? I 601 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: don't know if you're gonna give give me your answer 602 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: before I form mine. Okay, Well, Casia, thanks for the 603 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: email again. I would say when it comes to dating, 604 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: the the biggest key to me is talking about what 605 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: you're for and not what you're against. And so if 606 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: I'm writing a profile, I'm just saying some of the 607 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 1: things I like to do for fun. I'm also saying 608 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 1: that's what I'm and I'm also keeping it. Here's the thing, Actually, 609 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: I'm keeping it really short. I'm adding in some of 610 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: the things that are really important to me, some of 611 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: the like the things that I'm like really interesting. It 612 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: right for me. It would be like my faith. It 613 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: would be my activities, like my my hobbies, my sports. Um. 614 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: It would also just just be the fact i'd probably 615 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: honestly put in there, like if you're somebody likes to 616 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: stay at past eleven thirty at night, like you and 617 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: I ain't working, um like or or you're you're not 618 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: going to have a partner to eleven thirty at night, 619 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: You're gonna have me asleep somewhere. But keep it short, 620 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: keep it open ended. I don't think you need to 621 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: say that you're the kindest, most loving, smart, honest person 622 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: in the world. I think what you need to do 623 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 1: is talk about some of the things you stand for, 624 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: some of the hobbies that you're involved in, some of 625 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: the causes that you care about, and some of the 626 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: things that are important to you and leave it to 627 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: the person that's pursuing you to ask more questions, to 628 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: ask to follow up. And I think that's where I 629 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: think that's the key. Yeah, don't get confused that like 630 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,320 Speaker 1: you explaining your interests, your passions in life, your hobbies 631 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: and activities. That's not what we get annoyed of when 632 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,760 Speaker 1: we talk about self describing. I think what Ben really 633 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: gets annoyed about when it comes to self describing is 634 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 1: qualifying your personality traits. Right, It's like I am this, like, 635 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: I am a kind person, I am a generous person. 636 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: Like just don't qualify yourself like that. Let people figure 637 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: out those qualities in you. And for a dating profile, 638 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: all you have to do is talk about what you 639 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: enjoy in life. I'm I'm with you, ask Actuley as always, 640 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: it's awesome talk to you about everything going on in 641 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation. Uh, it was. I think it was a 642 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: great podcast. It's always fun to sit down with the guests. 643 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: You know. As we mentioned, we have a really exciting 644 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: in depth coming up this Thursday with Andy Dorfman. It's 645 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 1: I promise it's gonna be worth the listen. But until then, 646 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: this has been almost serious podcast and I haven't been. 647 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,879 Speaker 1: I've been. Ashley talked to you guys on Thursday when 648 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: Andy's interview comes out. Follow the Benn and Ashley I 649 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: Almost Famous podcasts on I Heart Radio or subscribe wherever 650 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: you listen to podcasts