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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show for everybody today

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Speaker 1: this morning there's a very important update in Julian No

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Speaker 1: Sanje's case, some information about whether the NSA was actually

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Speaker 1: spying on Tucker Carlson. Donald Trump filed a bunch of lawsuits.

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Speaker 1: anything other than another grift Haiti's president assassinated. What is

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Speaker 1: break down implications of that NYC mayoral race. But we

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Speaker 1: wanted to start with some new details about what exactly

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Speaker 1: happened on January sixth, what the government is doing to

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Speaker 1: prosecute the people that were involved, and some incredible, incredibly

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Speaker 1: revealing details here in this Washington Post article. Let's go

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Speaker 1: ahead and throw this up on the screen. So the

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Speaker 1: headline here is about how this dude was using a

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Speaker 1: plan violent events. This is according to the government prosecutors here.

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Speaker 1: But they kind of buried the lead in this story

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Speaker 1: because one of the underlying debates about what exactly happened

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Speaker 1: on January six revolves around whether there were any government

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Speaker 1: agents who were there, FBI inflormants, undercover police, those sorts

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Speaker 1: of things. And you've had this kind of bad faith

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Speaker 1: others on the right suggesting like, maybe this was totally

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Speaker 1: an inside job planned by government informants. We have no

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Speaker 1: indications that that's the case. But then the response to

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Speaker 1: It was not a single government agent. Our amazing security

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Speaker 1: turns out in this indictment there was at least one

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Speaker 1: undercover agent who was present at January sixth, according to

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Speaker 1: and put this up on the screen. This tweet that

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Speaker 1: January eighteenth, the undercover cop had the following conversation with

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Speaker 1: the defendant here, saying, hey, brother, were you masked up

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Speaker 1: in the Capitol? Yeah? Thoroughly. Why well, I keep hearing

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Speaker 1: There's more here indicating that this undercover police officer was

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Speaker 1: Now does this mean that they plan January sixth and

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Speaker 1: put it all in the context of a broader grab

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Speaker 1: the Capitol Police is now going to open branches in

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Speaker 1: the lawmakers. And what does that ultimately mean? More field offices,

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Speaker 1: said was threatening. It was not threatening in any way

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Speaker 1: he did. Now, think about this expanding their positions in

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Speaker 1: More interagency cooperation. It means police surveillance state. This is

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Speaker 1: Capitol Police in order to surveil disinformation and extremism moving

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Speaker 1: through the postal system. Remember that one of the easiest

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Speaker 1: That's actually it's like a classic. I think that's what

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Speaker 1: Tucker and they hate the people who brought this up.

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Speaker 1: And look like, I get it, I understand why, but

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Speaker 1: As you said, the Washington Post completely bury the lead

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Speaker 1: they have a whole story here about how some Vietnamese

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Speaker 1: the Bible study cover group. The real story is buried within,

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Speaker 1: just like deep communication with an undercovered DC police officer

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Speaker 1: the expansion of the Capitol Police. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 1: the fact that they had all the intelligence that they

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Speaker 1: all right. So there's a lot going on there. Zudar's

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Speaker 1: name just for contact. He used to call me Seger

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Speaker 1: and a lot of Indians would get very upset. They're like,

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Speaker 1: why don't you Why don't you correct him? I was like, dude,

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Speaker 1: is the president? Yeah, I know, I don't really get it.

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Speaker 1: Your name is really not that I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: that hard, but as substitute teachers growing up in Texas,

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Speaker 1: apparently it's very difficult. But you need We kept it

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Speaker 1: long there for a very specific purpose. He says, we're

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Speaker 1: filing a lawsuit here in Florida. Okay, that's important because

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Speaker 1: let's put this up there from Brad Heath, which is

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Speaker 1: Trump's Facebook lawsuit is filed in Florida. Facebook's terms of

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Speaker 1: service requires any claim, cause of action, or dispute you

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Speaker 1: have against us to be filed in federal court in

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Speaker 1: Northern California or San Mateo County state court. The Trump

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Speaker 1: Twitter lawsuit is also filed in Florida. Twitter terms of

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Speaker 1: service says, quote all disputes related to these terms of

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Speaker 1: service will be brought solely in the federal or state

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Speaker 1: courts located in San Francisco County. Oh so these are

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Speaker 1: BS lawsuits which are probably going to get thrown out,

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Speaker 1: not in the first field. So what's going on here? Oh,

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Speaker 1: like many things related to Trump, it's a BS grift.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up there, which is that it turns

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Speaker 1: out the website where the team says that people can

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Speaker 1: join Trump's class action lawsuit goes to the America First

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Speaker 1: Policy Institute website. That site allows people to donate and

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Speaker 1: to join their email list. So why is that important?

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Speaker 1: I actually did an entire radar on this over at

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Speaker 1: Rising about the America First Policy Institute, which is a

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Speaker 1: multimillion dollar organization headed up by a former libertarian who

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Speaker 1: worked for Rick Perry, which includes the likes of Larry

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Speaker 1: Cudlow on its distinguished scholars and more, and is essentially

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Speaker 1: a front for what turned into actual Trumpy and Economics,

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Speaker 1: which was just a bunch of normal Reagan BS. So

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Speaker 1: what does this all actually mean? In conjunction with the

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Speaker 1: American First Policy Institute, they have filed a lawsuit going nowhere.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not even filed in the right jurisdiction, and now

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Speaker 1: they're gonna make millions of dollars off of it. That's

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Speaker 1: what pisses me off. There are a lot of people

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Speaker 1: out there who got a text message last night from

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Speaker 1: Trump saying President Trump is firing and filing a lawsuit.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead and donate right now. There are a lot

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Speaker 1: of boomers who look and listen. I do not want

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Speaker 1: to denigrate these people because there is such an instinct

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Speaker 1: to be like, screw them, they're idiots, they lose their money.

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Speaker 1: It's on them. No, that's not true. It's on leaders

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Speaker 1: and others who have the trust of these people in

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Speaker 1: order to responsibly use it. And what they are doing

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Speaker 1: is they are setting up false hope and really setting

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Speaker 1: up a situation where they're gonna make millions of dollars

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Speaker 1: and nothing is going to actually happen to any of

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Speaker 1: these companies. If you want something to happen to these companies,

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Speaker 1: you should check out Republican Ken Buck of Colorado, who

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Speaker 1: is a ranking GOP member on the Anti Trust Subcommittee,

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Speaker 1: who's actually working with Democrats in order to force some

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Speaker 1: new laws and has been fighting with some GOP people.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting that's actually something real. This is not real,

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Speaker 1: and this is going to get fifteen to twenty times

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Speaker 1: more coverage. And by the way, having covered Trump for

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Speaker 1: many years, let me tell you something, the people who

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Speaker 1: he hires in order to pursue his lawsuits are some

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Speaker 1: of the biggest idiots on the planet. I have watched

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Speaker 1: these people fail at the Supreme Court, on the census,

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Speaker 1: I watch them fail on DHAKA, basically every high profile

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Speaker 1: travel band. I can go on and bring back Bruce

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Speaker 1: Caster Guy's name, right, yeah, I think that's Bill Cosby guy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have watched these people flounder and fail

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Speaker 1: at almost every high profile legal thing that they have

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Speaker 1: ever tried in the US Supreme Court and on the

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Speaker 1: stage they routine would forget to file something or public

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Speaker 1: comment or whatever. Absolute D minus level team is who

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Speaker 1: you are probably backing here if you support this lawsuit.

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Speaker 1: And I know I'm getting animated, but I just think

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Speaker 1: about so many people out there who are rightfully outraged

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Speaker 1: about censorship or more. And we you know, we both

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Speaker 1: of us spoke out about Twitter banning Trump and more. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not like I'm a supporter or whatever of these people,

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Speaker 1: but watching him take people's money and funnel it even

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Speaker 1: worse to people like the America First Policy Institute who

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Speaker 1: are actively working against their interests. Really pisses me off

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Speaker 1: watching this all. It actually made me sad looking at

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Speaker 1: like the response and the replies on Twitter from his

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Speaker 1: fans to this lawsuit, because they all were like so

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Speaker 1: had like, yes, this is why we love you, thank

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Speaker 1: you for standing up to them, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: And like you said, you know, it's easy to dismiss people,

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Speaker 1: Oh you're so stupid to fall for this, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. But it really this is maybe the thing.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of things that make me mad

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Speaker 1: about Trump, but this is one of the things that

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Speaker 1: really upsets me the most. Is that having the trust

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Speaker 1: of a large group of people who many of whom

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Speaker 1: have been shit on time and time again, and then

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Speaker 1: abusing that is a really disgusting thing. And this is

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Speaker 1: far from the first time. Of course, this is a

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Speaker 1: straight up pr stunt and a grift. We also, you know,

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Speaker 1: when we were rising, we have Pedro gonzales On, who

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Speaker 1: is a believer in the policies of Trump. I mean

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Speaker 1: many things that I don't support whatsoever, but who actually

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Speaker 1: believed in the principles that Trump ran on in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: and has exposed a lot of the way that money

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Speaker 1: given by Trump supporters has been you know, used and

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Speaker 1: squandered and given to causes that they never thought so.

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Speaker 1: Perfect example, time back into January sixth, is you know,

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Speaker 1: when the stop the steal was going on over hype.

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Speaker 1: Hep were donating all this money thinking fifty millions, thinking

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Speaker 1: that they were giving money to like back his lawsuits

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Speaker 1: and overturn the election. Whatever tiny sliver of that went

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Speaker 1: to actual legal battles, all of which were handled in

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Speaker 1: the most like embarrassing, disgraceful way, as we covered thoroughly

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Speaker 1: on Rising as well with like you know, embarrassing players involved.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys remember all of that. Most of

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Speaker 1: the money they basically did with whatever they wanted. They

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Speaker 1: could pay their consultants, they could pay their kids, pay

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Speaker 1: for you know, hotel states all. They do anything they want.

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Speaker 1: And it's the same thing here if you read the

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Speaker 1: fine print, there's no requirement that the money that you

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Speaker 1: give is going to go specifically to these class action

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Speaker 1: lawsuits whatsoever. It's an attempt to get more emails. It's

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Speaker 1: attempt to get more money in the door. So that's

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Speaker 1: what's going on here. It's a pattern we've seen play

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Speaker 1: out time and time again. Same thing with Georgia. There

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Speaker 1: were a lot of efforts to like, let's raise lots

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Speaker 1: of money for these Georgia senate races that precious little

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Speaker 1: of them. And that wasn't just Trump. I think Cruise

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Speaker 1: was involved and that a lot of different people got

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Speaker 1: in on that one. That they'd say, we're raising money

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Speaker 1: to stop the Democrats in Georgia. They'd send the tiniest

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Speaker 1: liver of the money to Georgia and most of it

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Speaker 1: would go into their own packs and super packs to

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Speaker 1: use for their own purpose. So this is just another

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Speaker 1: sort of pr political stunt and grift from the former president.

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Speaker 1: Will this segment matter? Will people watch this and say, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to support this? Probably not, But you

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00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: know what, people should know the truth. And if you

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Speaker 1: have somebody out there who's excited about this, maybe send

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Speaker 1: this to them, send them and tell them, tell them

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Speaker 1: to go investigate for themselves. Read the fine printing more.

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Speaker 1: Because I've watched too many people, especially who are old,

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Speaker 1: get suckered time and time again, what was the wall

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Speaker 1: fundational build the wall? Oh yeah, I remember that. You know,

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Speaker 1: people were viciously attacked for pointing out that those guys

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Speaker 1: were complete grifters. Oh. Turns out that that's all what

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Speaker 1: the entire thing was the whole time. So I think

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Speaker 1: the entire thing really is a disgrace. Like you said,

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Speaker 1: when you have the trust of a large number of people,

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Speaker 1: it is your responsibility to actually at least act and

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Speaker 1: fight on their behalf if that's what you purport to do.

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Speaker 1: And that is just not with it, and it's a

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Speaker 1: real issue, that's true exactly, like serious people care about

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Speaker 1: and that you should actually seriously care about and to

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Speaker 1: handle it in just this way for your own mind

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Speaker 1: sory fun and purposes is disgraceful. If you're on the right,

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Speaker 1: go check out Rachel Bouvard, who's got the Internet Accountability Project.

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Speaker 1: Go check out Ken Buck, the congressman from Colorado. All

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Speaker 1: these people are doing great work there. You know, some

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Speaker 1: of them have on the Rachel we've had on the show.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll have her on soon. He's happy to

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Speaker 1: work with people on the right. Very principled guy. There

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Speaker 1: are many serious people who were thinking of this is

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Speaker 1: not what's happening. Yeah. Hey, so remember how we told

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Speaker 1: you how awesome premium membership was. Well, here we are

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Speaker 1: again to remind you that becoming a premium member means

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Speaker 1: a premium member today by going to Breakingpoints dot com,

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Speaker 1: which you can click on in the show notes. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so I don't even know how to do the abrupt

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Speaker 1: transition towards this. Let's stick with just the facts regarding

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Speaker 1: what happened with Tucker Carlson and the NSA. So we

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Speaker 1: will remember that Tucker leveled an explosive charge last week

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Speaker 1: saying that this show has learned that the nssay the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration has been spying on this show and was

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Speaker 1: planning to leak my emails to journalists. That was the

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Speaker 1: substantive charge which was leveled. Now, when we covered it,

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Speaker 1: here's what we said. We said, there is no evidence

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Speaker 1: for it or against it. What we did make fun

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Speaker 1: of was all of the liberal journalists who said, this

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Speaker 1: is ridiculous, it's not even true. There's no way that

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Speaker 1: any of this would ever happen. There's no way the

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Speaker 1: NSA would spy on Tucker. Now that is very quickly

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Speaker 1: to change to well, so what if they did, because

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Speaker 1: here are the details that we've learned. Let's put this

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Speaker 1: up there. Jonathan Swano or at Axios, he's a great reporter.

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Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson sought Putin interview at the time of spying claim.

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Speaker 1: Here are the details. Tucker Carlson was talking to US

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Speaker 1: based Kremlin intermediaries about setting up an interview with Vladimir

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Speaker 1: Putin shortly before the Fox News host accused the National

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Speaker 1: Security Agency of spying on him. Those sources, according to Axios,

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Speaker 1: said US government officials learned about Carlson's efforts to secure

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Speaker 1: the Putin interview. Carlson then learned the government was aware

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Speaker 1: of his outreach and that the basis of his extraordinary accusation.

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Speaker 1: Now here's the key part. Axios has not confirmed whether

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Speaker 1: any communications from Carlson have been intercepted, and if so,

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Speaker 1: why so. Tucker's core claimed that the government has spied

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Speaker 1: on his emails and has leaked them to journalists. That

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Speaker 1: part has not been confirmed. What has been confirmed is

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Speaker 1: this is that the NSSAY and the US government became

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Speaker 1: aware of Tucker's conversations with Kremlin intermediaries regarding an effort

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Speaker 1: to interview Vladimir Putin, the President of Russia on Fox News.

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Speaker 1: And so this is extraordinarily important. Let's throw up Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Swan's tweet. The nssay, when faced with these specific facts,

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Speaker 1: has declined to comment and refer where's axious? Back to

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Speaker 1: that agency statement earlier, which was carefully worded. Now, remember this,

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Speaker 1: In that that statement, they said, Tucker Carlson is not

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Speaker 1: any is not and has never been a target of

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Speaker 1: the investigation. And as we noted here with regards to

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Speaker 1: that statement, it doesn't matter if you're a target. Incidental

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Speaker 1: collection of communications with foreign adversaries means that you can

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Speaker 1: be incidentally collected as a US citizen on that Now,

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Speaker 1: within the government, Tucker, he addresses on a show last night,

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Speaker 1: should have been identified as US journalist one, as in

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Speaker 1: his identity should have been masked, and nobody in the

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Speaker 1: government should have been aware that he was in communication

643
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Speaker 1: about trying to get an interview with Vladimir Putin. Well,

644
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 1: what has happened is somewhere along the discovery value chain,

645
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson's identity was unmasked within the United States government,

646
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: whether it was intentional or not. No indication. However, several

647
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: questions arise. Who unmasked this? This is actually against the law.

648
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: Why did his name come to be revealed? Did the

649
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: government actually leak the details of that? Per Tucker's accusation

650
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: to journalists in terms of his ability to try and

651
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: get an interview with Putin? And the last thing I'll

652
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: say on this, you can hate Putin and you can

653
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 1: hate Tucker. Guess what journalists interview Putin all the time?

654
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: Chris Wallace? Actually I think he won a Pulitzer Prize

655
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: or he wouldn't a ward viewed him three weeks ago.

656
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: Oh good, By the way, that's a good thing. This

657
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: is not like, how could you want to interview Putin?

658
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: Interviewing Putin is good, especially having Western journalists or any journalist, frankly,

659
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: interview Putin is always good. I love it whenever he

660
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: does those like two hour things where he sits there

661
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: and takes questions. I support these things, even if many

662
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: of these are stews. You know why, because it's important

663
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: to know how your adversaries are thinking, and it's especially

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Speaker 1: important to have Western journalists challenge them, maybe not even

665
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Speaker 1: necessarily on human rights or whatever. I would personally love

666
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Speaker 1: to see an interview between Tucker and Putin. Interviewing Putin

667
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: is not a crime. American journalists are not have to

668
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: interview pre approved world leaders. We can interview. By the way,

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Speaker 1: if Kim Jong un would give me an interview, I

670
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: would fly to Yongyang tomorrow. If you're listening, please make

671
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Speaker 1: that right. Even though you know these people are gonna

672
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: lie to you, of course, but the understanding what it

673
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: is that they want to put out in the world

674
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: is very interesting and revelatory. I mean, the fact that

675
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Speaker 1: we're even having to discuss, like whether it's okay to

676
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: interview ahead of state is filly detaroith. So I mean, look,

677
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: we don't know all the details yet, but here's very

678
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Speaker 1: much what it looks like happen. And again this is

679
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: not totally backed up yet and speculation, but based on

680
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: the reporting bus based on the NSA's weird non denial,

681
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: it looks like Tucker was trying to get this interview,

682
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Speaker 1: was going through these intermediaries that he maybe wasn't directly targeted.

683
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: It was probably incidental collection of these intermediaries were being surveilled,

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Speaker 1: his communications are picked up as part of that. And then,

685
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Speaker 1: as you're pointing out, the big question here is how

686
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Speaker 1: and why was his identity unmasked, Because this is one

687
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: of supposed to be one of the really important protections

688
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 1: for American citizens who might get caught up in these

689
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: what they call incidental collections, where again, you're not the target,

690
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: but the government is still monitoring your communications because you

691
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: happen to be talking to someone who's a target. That

692
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you're doing anything wrong or should be

693
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Speaker 1: surveilled at all. You just happen to be in communication

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Speaker 1: with someone that they're monitoring. So the one of the

695
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: really important protections here is that if that happens to you,

696
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: your identity is supposed to be secret and protected and masked.

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Speaker 1: Clearly somewhere along the way, if Tucker's story turns out

698
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Speaker 1: to be anything approaching true, his identity was unmasked mass

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Speaker 1: You're only supposed that's only supposed to be permitted if

700
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Speaker 1: it's necessary to understand the intelligence. So in very specific cases. Now,

701
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: one of the things that we learned through Michael Flynn

702
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,959
Speaker 1: and Russia and all this crap is that unmasking is

703
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: way more casually done and way more routine than we

704
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: ever thought and that it ever should have been. So

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Speaker 1: some of these bureaucrats may think nothing of putting in

706
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Speaker 1: unmasking requests, and they seem to be granted relatively casually,

707
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Speaker 1: which is a problem in and of itself. And so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a very serious charge that our government was monitoring

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Speaker 1: the communications of a prominent US journalist, whatever you think

710
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: of Tucker Carlson. That's yeah, that's a big issue. And

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Speaker 1: you know the fact that the fact that people can't

712
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Speaker 1: take off their like feelings, they can't put aside their

713
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: feelings about this person and just see it on the

714
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Speaker 1: basis of principle in fact, is really extraordinarily telling. And

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Speaker 1: the fact that you know this is another just is

716
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Speaker 1: like the first story we did about the FBI informs however,

717
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous, and it's like, well, we don't have

718
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Speaker 1: the evidence yet, but to say it's just ridiculous and

719
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: not be curious about it, it it is silly. Same thing here,

720
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Speaker 1: the government monitors communications of all kinds of people all

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Speaker 1: the time, totally routinely. What company was it that Edwards

722
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: tweeted owt and was like Microsoft was saying this is

723
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: completely routine that the government is asking us for data

724
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Speaker 1: of US persons. Okay, So to be like, there's no

725
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Speaker 1: way they would have done that again, it's just so

726
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: flippant to not be curious at all, to totally dismiss it,

727
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: and to just just knee jerk back up. Whatever the

728
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: story of the security state is here, especially after the

729
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: NSA put out that super weird like, well we didn't

730
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Speaker 1: target Tucker Carlson statement. That was instant red flag there.

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Speaker 1: If Rachel Maddow had been spied on by the NSA

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Speaker 1: under Trump, I would be absolutely absolutely I think everybody

733
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Speaker 1: else should be too. But I also know that the

734
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Speaker 1: media would be one hundred percent behind her, and in

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Speaker 1: this particular case, Look, this recently came out. The Trump

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Speaker 1: DOJ actually full went to the mat to try and

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Speaker 1: I think seize some emails from New York Times reporters

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Speaker 1: and the Washington Post and they put a gaggod order

739
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Speaker 1: on them while that was all happening. Yeah, so that

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Speaker 1: people in the Times in the Post they only recently

741
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,959
Speaker 1: revealed this because they weren't legally allowed to. That's outrageous.

742
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Speaker 1: You don't get to read journalists emails absolutely freaking not.

743
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Speaker 1: But you know what, they had a whole expose a

744
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Speaker 1: on that, and they talked about it in an affront

745
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Speaker 1: to press freedom. Listen, you don't have to like Tucker.

746
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: You don't have to consider him a journalist. He has

747
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: First Amendment protections. He is the number one cable news

748
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Speaker 1: host in the United States. And if the NSA is

749
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: spying on that person and people within that agency are

750
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: taking unmasking his emails and then, according to Tucker, trying

751
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: to leak against him, to say that he's some sort

752
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: of Russian stooge for trying to interview Putin. Yeah, that

753
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: is some like nineteen sixties Hoover level stuff here in

754
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: terms of using government agencies in order to gather information

755
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: and then plant damaging information in the press. And it

756
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: is a scandal of the highest order. That part we

757
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: don't have that it's not confirmed, but I'm telling you

758
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: that it's true. That's bad leaking. But again, you should

759
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: be curious, look, very curious. I would like, let's not

760
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Speaker 1: just dismiss it out of hand, as if they would

761
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: never do such a thing. Oh my god, they never

762
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: do that. They do this kind of crap all the time.

763
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Speaker 1: The history give me a turnout for a reason, give

764
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: me a break. I think why maybe we're able to

765
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Speaker 1: react to this in like and feel very much like, Yeah,

766
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Speaker 1: if Trump was doing this to Rachel Matter or other

767
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: journalists have, of course we'd be consistently outreached. Like, I

768
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: just don't see this as a partisan issue, because I'm

769
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: under no illusions that like Trump was better or Biden

770
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: is worse, or Biden is better or Oban like, there

771
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: may be gradations of infractions here, but every president takes

772
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: whatever power is available to them and uses and abuses it,

773
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Speaker 1: and especially post nine to eleven when there was a

774
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: gigantic security state power grab, like, we've never rolled that back.

775
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: And so I just see this as whatever president, whether

776
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: it's a Democrat or Republicans in power, clearly feels free

777
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: to use and abuse these powers, no, no question whatsoever.

778
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Speaker 1: So we have actually speaking within this vein. Yeah. Update

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Speaker 1: on the case of Julian Assan. Yeah, so this is

780
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 1: really this is really important. Just to remind you guys,

781
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Speaker 1: Assange is in prison right now in the UK and

782
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 1: the US government is trying to extradite him to face

783
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Speaker 1: charges of espionage. It's important to give you a little

784
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Speaker 1: bit of the context here. So remember, under the Obama administration,

785
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Speaker 1: they really wanted to go after Assange, and they essentially

786
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Speaker 1: airic Holder and the Obama administration felt that they couldn't

787
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Speaker 1: charge him. They couldn't figure out this New York Times problem,

788
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: how do we charge Julian Assange and destroy him the

789
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Speaker 1: way that we want to, but not also implication New

790
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: York Times or any other journalistic gatlet. They couldn't figure

791
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: that out. Bill Barr and Trump come into office and

792
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: they take a more aggressive stance and they go after

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Speaker 1: Assange on this idea that he helped Chelsea Manning hack

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Speaker 1: into the documents, which is ridiculous for a lot of

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Speaker 1: reasons that I won't get into. But also a lot

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Speaker 1: of journalists help their you know, source to be able

797
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: to protect their communications and they provide them that sort

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Speaker 1: of support. So again, it's not clear that you're not

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Speaker 1: criminalizing all of journalism, even if Assage was tangentially involved in,

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Speaker 1: you know, helping a hug this pastor. But Chelsea Manning

801
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: had access to all of these documents, did not need

802
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: Julian Nosange's help. We reported almost alone among US media,

803
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: they are very very few, no literally zero mainstream US

804
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Speaker 1: outlets that covered the fact that one of the US

805
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: government's key witnesses in this just admitted that he completely

806
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: lied and made up his story. This guy is an

807
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: own criminal, non pedophile, and invented this story so that

808
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: he could escape prosecution for some of his other crimes,

809
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Speaker 1: So that part of the case totally fell apart the

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Speaker 1: initial hearing, which you know again has started under the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration, but the Biden administration has continued to seek

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Speaker 1: Assangeist extradition. At the initial extradition hearing, the judge said, no,

813
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Speaker 1: we're not going to extradite Julian Assange, not because we

814
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Speaker 1: disagree with the merits of the case against him, which

815
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Speaker 1: was important and not good, but because we're worried about

816
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Speaker 1: his psychological health. We think he's an extreme risk of suicide,

817
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Speaker 1: especially because we know how it is in US prisons,

818
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: and it's terrific, especially in supermax prisons where he's likely

819
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Speaker 1: to be held because he's being charged with this like

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Speaker 1: national security crime. So that brings me to the update.

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Speaker 1: The US government has now given the UK assurance assurances

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Speaker 1: that Number one Julian will not be held under the

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Speaker 1: strictest maximum security conditions and I'm reading for the Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal. Now, if extradited to the US, they're also saying,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to put him in a supermax prison.

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Speaker 1: They also have given assurances that Julian Assange would be

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Speaker 1: permitted to serve any jail time if he's convicted in

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Speaker 1: his native Australia. Now, there's some important caveats to even

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Speaker 1: those assurances, which should be seen in light of they

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Speaker 1: had to address these concerns and ordered this as an

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Speaker 1: attempt by the US government to continue to get Julian

832
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Speaker 1: extradited so that they can try to convict him in

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Speaker 1: the US and send him to prison for the crime

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Speaker 1: of publishing the secrets of the powerful. Okay, but even

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Speaker 1: within that context, there's some important caveats here, they said.

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Speaker 1: This is the Dissenter had a good article just breaking

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Speaker 1: down exactly what the kind of caveats are. So they've

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Speaker 1: said that they wouldn't impose these special administrative measures, which

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Speaker 1: is isolation effectively in these other sort of like extra

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Speaker 1: droom tactics that are used in US prisons during pre

841
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Speaker 1: trial confinement or in prison if he's convicted. But they

842
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: didn't say they wouldn't hold him in administrative segregation or

843
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Speaker 1: other forms of isolation, so that's an important caveat. They

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Speaker 1: said that he'll receive clinical and psychological treatment. They also

845
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Speaker 1: said he would not be imprisoned at a supermax in

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Speaker 1: California unless he committed a future act that met the

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Speaker 1: test for designation, So again kind of a big loophole there.

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Speaker 1: And then with regards to him serving any time if

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Speaker 1: convicted in Australia, that would only happen after every appeal

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Speaker 1: and everything was exhausted. So that means if he faces

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Speaker 1: trial in the US, you all know how long these

852
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Speaker 1: cases can drag out, years before he'd ever been sent

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Speaker 1: back to Australia. I mean, the bottom line of all

854
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Speaker 1: of this is Julian Assad should be free today. The

855
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: Biden administration has it in their power to drop these

856
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: charges right now, release Julian, allow him to be free

857
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: and actually make good on all of their Yeah, it's

858
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: pretty fascinating. I think that the crazy part is and again,

859
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny a lot of media stories today,

860
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: which is that the Indian Press, per Glenn Greenwald, is

861
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: one of the only places currently that will be reporting

862
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: about some of these details about the pullback of the

863
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: lawsuit and more. To this time, there's still not anything

864
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: in The New York Times or more, even though some

865
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: of their own reporters on a personal level have been like, hey, look,

866
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm a national security reporter. If you prosecute him, they

867
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: can prosecute me. Yeah, they've said this. I've heard them

868
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: say this, and they've even written so publicly, but not

869
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: one of them has done a story on it yet.

870
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: So I think that tells you a lot. Yeah, and

871
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: it's disgusting how they'll go on there and be, oh,

872
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: freedom of the press, and we're so offended by Trump's

873
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: you can't say anything about the you know, the attacks,

874
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: the verbal attacks on journalists. If you don't talk about this,

875
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: if you don't care about this, I mean, this is

876
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: a direct attack on freedom of the press, a direct

877
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: attack on the first and all that you all know.

878
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: I interviewed Julian's father and his brother last week for

879
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: Crystal Collin friends. All that they want is the Biden

880
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: administration to go back to the position of the Obama administration,

881
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 1: the Obama Biden administration when they recognized we can't charge

882
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: Assannge without implicating all of journalism. That's all they're asking

883
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: for don't continue this Trump era prosecution. Go back to

884
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: what you're thinking was under Barack Obama. That's all that

885
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: they're asking for. And it is a complete outrage that

886
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: Julian Assange continues to be held and I mean his

887
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: mental health, his physical health. They have done everything they

888
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: possibly can to destroy him. Disgusting. We also have an

889
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: update on literally the craziest situation that we've ever seen.

890
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: The president of Haiti was assassinated in what looks like

891
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: some sort of like Hits squad raid. It's unclear who

892
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: exactly was behind it. What is going on here? Christal,

893
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 1: I know you went down the rabbit hole. So Haiti

894
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: is a fascinating, both inspiring and tragic country that, of

895
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: course the US has had deep involvement in up through

896
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 1: the two thousands under George W. Bush, which is perhaps

897
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: a story for another day, but is relevant here. The

898
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: country's been in crisis for a while. It's been in

899
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: political crisis essentially ever since we it appears, helped to

900
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: depose Aristide back in two thousand and four. The current president,

901
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: a guy named Jouvenal Muiz, who was just assassinated. We

902
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: don't know who did it, and I wouldn't trust a

903
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: lot of the information coming out from the police chief

904
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: and others on the scene because essentially everyone is corrupted. There.

905
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: There's massive gang problem in the country. There's syndications that

906
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: Moise himself was complicit in some of the activities in

907
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: the gang are supported by these gangs. He also had

908
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: overstayed his term in office and was unilaterally rewriting the constitution,

909
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 1: implicated in all kinds of corruption and scandals and violent

910
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: scandals as well. So let's not say that this was

911
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: a good guy or a good president whatsoever. However, it

912
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: has plunged Hady into even further crisis, So no one

913
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: is celebrating the death of this man. Let's go ahead

914
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: and throw the tear sheet up on the screen that

915
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: we have here with some of the details. So, as

916
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: of this morning, the Haitian police chief is saying that

917
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: some of the mercenaries who were involved in this assassination

918
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:40,479
Speaker 1: have been killed, that others are in custody. We don't

919
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 1: really have any indication of who they are or why

920
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: they did this. Some of this, shockingly was caught on

921
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: video and it's really bizarre. There. It looks like pretending

922
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: to be a drug enforcement agency operation. The theory is

923
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: that they say this, we'll play the video in just

924
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: a second in order to get like the bodyguards to

925
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: stand down. Because DEA activity in Haiti is apparently fairly common,

926
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: so they're used to hearing people with American accent saying

927
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: this is the da stand down, So you hear that

928
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: on this video. Other reports, again coming from government officials,

929
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: say that some of the perpetrators, some of the murderers

930
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: here were speaking Spanish. Uh, so make of that whatever

931
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: you will. The first lady has also been critically wounded.

932
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: She's been flown to Florida for treatment. She is alive

933
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: and stable, but they say in critical condition. Let's take

934
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: a listen to that video where you can hear American

935
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: accent in English declaring this a DEA operation. Of course,

936
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: the DEA denies this and seems very unlikely that it

937
00:51:42,480 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: was a DEA operation. Let's take a listen. No ya

938
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: so pretty wi Yeah, And there's other videos out there

939
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: where you hear, you know, repeated gunfire. A lot of this,

940
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: at least the sounds of it, caught on video. So

941
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: again it's this is an incredibly empowerished country that has

942
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: been screwed over time and time again since its founding,

943
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: since its independence, the only, i think, the only successful

944
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: slaver volt in history. They gained their independence from France

945
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: actually defeated Napoleon in order to gain their independence, but

946
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 1: they were then consistently discriminating against the US. Took sixty

947
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: years to represent them first black republic in the world.

948
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: France after their independence levies these millions of dollars to say, like,

949
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: you owe us because you stole our colonial shit and

950
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: threaten them with war, so put them in debt from

951
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: the beginning, and there's been just you know, cycles of

952
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: US intervention again opposing popular leaders like Aristide. You've had

953
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: horrible dictators like the Doc and Baby Doc who ruled

954
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: by violence. You've had US and bargoes that have kept

955
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: the people poorn, impoverishedrom Then on top of everything, you've

956
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: had natural disasters hurricane earthquake that they still haven't been

957
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: able to recover from. So it was already kind of

958
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 1: a lawless and violent situation. And now again with the

959
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: assassination of juvenal Louise, you just have further instability, total

960
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 1: power vacuum. The guy who says he's in charge now,

961
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: Joseph is his last name is the nation sixth prime

962
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: minister in the last four years. He says he's now

963
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: in charge, but he actually had already Moise had already

964
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: replaced him. There was a new dude who was supposed

965
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: to be sworn in next week. So that just gives

966
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: you another indication of how completely uncertain things are on

967
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: this island where the people have suffered so incredibly much.

968
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: This is really and again according to him, these were mercenaries.

969
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: So they were saying that the gunman, you know, with

970
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: the American accents for more. They think that a lot

971
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: of these people were hired killers, which actually would be

972
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: even crazy. So who hired who hired? Why? Who? I mean,

973
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: who are they? There's there's actually a lot of interesting

974
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: law around mercenaries and hired guns and all this of

975
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: what exactly happens in the third world. And I think

976
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: there is something that is very much going on here

977
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: right now. But it's when I heard that audio, I

978
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: was like, this is totally nuts. Some of the speculation

979
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: is actually could be drug related in or for cartels

980
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: and stuff in terms of South Florida. So look, there's

981
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: no indication necessarily. It looks like, you know, there's plenty

982
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: of domestic reasons for people to be involved here, but

983
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: very messy in sad situation. Yeah, I mean it looks

984
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: from all indications that he was in bed with a

985
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: lot of you know, horrific murderers, thugs, and you know, depended.

986
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 1: The allegations are that he was dependent on these gangs

987
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: which control a lot of Haiti and especially a lot

988
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: of Porter Prince and so who knows who this could

989
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 1: have been, what sort of vendetta they might have had,

990
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: and why who hired these killers and ultimately plunged this

991
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: country into even further chaos. And it's also sad that

992
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, the US only like this, This chaos and

993
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: lawlessness six hundred miles or so from Miami has been

994
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: going on, and you know, no one here has has

995
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: really paid that much attention. So I think that's another

996
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: sad story here, as how we've just allowed this to

997
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: fester at best, and at worst, we've been involved in

998
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: helping to plunge the country into two chaos. So we'll

999
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: keep an eye on this story because I think that

1000
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: it's far from over as we get more details and

1001
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: also find out not only who may have been involved,

1002
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,879
Speaker 1: but also also who's going to take over and what

1003
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: this means for the political situation now in eighty Wow,

1004
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: you guys must really like listening to our voices. Well,

1005
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: I know this is annoying instead of making you listen

1006
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: to a Viagra commercial. When you're done, check out the

1007
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: other podcast I do with Marshal Cossoff called The Realignment.

1008
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: We talk a lot about the deeper issue use that

1009
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: are changing realigning in American society. You always need more

1010
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 1: Crystal and Zagur in your daily lives. Take care, guys, Crystal,

1011
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: what are you taking a look at today? The greatest

1012
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: wealth transfer in modern history has begun, so it proclaimed

1013
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: a recent Wall Street Journal article on how boomers, having

1014
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: stockpiled the largest trove of wealth of any generation in history,

1015
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: they're now spending it, donating it, and passing it to

1016
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 1: their heirs. Here's the journal with that report quote. Baby

1017
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: boomers and older Americans have spent decades accumulating an enormous

1018
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: stockpile of money. At the end of this year's first quarter,

1019
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: Americans age seventy and above had a net worth of

1020
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: nearly thirty five trillion dollars. According to Federal Reserve data.

1021
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: That amounts to twenty seven percent of all US wealth,

1022
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: up from twenty percent just three decades ago. Now they

1023
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: have started parceling it out to their heirs and others,

1024
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: unleashing a torrent of economic activity, including buying homes, starting businesses,

1025
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: and giving to charity. So this wealth transfer is shaping

1026
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 1: today's economy, and it's going to influence the soaring heights

1027
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: of American inequality for generations to come. You can see

1028
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: what I mean by focusing in on the here and

1029
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: now and its impact on the housing market. The housing market,

1030
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: of course, is insane, as you know if you've been

1031
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: watching this show, and that insanity is driven by a

1032
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: few different factors. You've got the PMC moving to smaller

1033
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: cities and suburbs in search of a kind of life reset.

1034
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: You've got a shortage of construction supplies that are delaying

1035
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: new housing construction. You've got permanent capital rushing into the

1036
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: market to make a buck by turning America into a

1037
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: land of renters. But part of the story is also

1038
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: this wealth transfer, which is making home ownership possible for

1039
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: a lucky class of young Americans who are recipients of

1040
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: gifts from parents and grandparents. According again to the Wall

1041
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: Street Journal, in this highly charged and speculative market, the

1042
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: majority of home buyers have to put down at least

1043
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: twenty percent of the cost of the home upfront. That

1044
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: is near historical records, and it is a tremendous amount,

1045
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: of course, for a young couple, unless, of course, mom

1046
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: and dad or grandma and grandpa can now bound. One

1047
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: mortgage broker estimated at least half of his first time

1048
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: buyers work getting gifts to make that possible. Another indicator, well,

1049
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: the percentage of first time buyers younger than thirty five

1050
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: with a boomer cosigner more than doubled over the past

1051
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: couple decades. This is a perfect example of how having

1052
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: help in wealth creation from your parents locks in a

1053
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: cycle of prosperity. In America, the surest way to build

1054
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: that solidly middle class life and nest egg has been

1055
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: through home ownership. You might be slaving away and the

1056
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: wage journer's rat race, never really getting ahead, but at

1057
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: least if you've got a house in a decent neighborhood,

1058
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: you're likely to end up with an asset that has

1059
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: significant value that can be borrowed against or sold to

1060
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: cash in the gains, or passed eventually to your own children.

1061
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: Your mortgage payments are being used to build your own

1062
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: wealth rather than rent payments which go to enrich the

1063
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: landlord class. In fact, racist housing policies which kept black

1064
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Speaker 1: families from owning homes or which kept them in ghettos

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Speaker 1: significant reasons why black wealth has remained stuck at zero.

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Speaker 1: During the Civil War, when much of Black America was

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Speaker 1: still enslaved, black wealth was a measly zero point five

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Speaker 1: percent of total national wealth. Today, that number has only

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Speaker 1: barely increased to about one point five percent. That just

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Speaker 1: gives you a sense of how powerful the impact of

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Speaker 1: being locked down of housing wealth accumulation has been as

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Speaker 1: those around you benefit from the leg up of intergenerational wealth.

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Speaker 1: Home ownership, though, is just one really good and really

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Speaker 1: clear example of how even a little bit of generational

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Speaker 1: wealth can compound quickly and thoroughly separate a society into

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Speaker 1: the haves and have not, especially a society like ours,

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Speaker 1: where the rules have been written by the rich to

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Speaker 1: make sure that they keep all their shit. Because, of course,

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Speaker 1: some of today's millennials will receive much more than just

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Speaker 1: help with their student loans or a housing down payment.

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Speaker 1: Large fortunes will be bequeathed to the errors of the

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Speaker 1: point one percent locking in new family dynasties, and the

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Speaker 1: current loophole ridden system of taxation means that much of

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Speaker 1: this wealth was never taxed and will never be taxed.

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Speaker 1: If that's allowed to move forward with the world historic

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Speaker 1: levels of dynastic wealth which are set to be pass word,

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Speaker 1: it will be impossible to roll back. Democratic societies cannot

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Speaker 1: survive this overwhelming stratification. Eventually the pitchforks are going to

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Speaker 1: come and which you are looky here. Already the wealth

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Speaker 1: of the very tippy top has exceeded the heights of

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Speaker 1: the Gilded Age. So guys, it's now no longer accurate

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Speaker 1: to say we're headed to a new gilded age. We're there,

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Speaker 1: and it's even more extreme than the last one was.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't have to be this way, though, There is a

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Speaker 1: very simple solution. Just tax this shit, do it now.

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Speaker 1: President Biden has proposed some relatively modest changes as part

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Speaker 1: of his infrastructure and reconciliation plans, so generally a little

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Speaker 1: bit of context here. The way tax law works is

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Speaker 1: when you sell an asset, you pay taxes on the

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Speaker 1: full amount of the gains, But a loophole in the

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Speaker 1: law allows people to pass those assets onto their airs,

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Speaker 1: and then when the airs sell, they only pay taxes

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Speaker 1: on the gains that occurred after the original owner's death.

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Speaker 1: All of the wealth from that asset that accumulated over

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Speaker 1: the life of the deceased that will never ever be taxed.

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Speaker 1: To make matters worse, the capital gains rate has been

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Speaker 1: kept low, so that even the portion of the gains

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Speaker 1: which is taxed is tax at a much lower rate

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Speaker 1: than wages are. Biden's proposed closing that loophole with a

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Speaker 1: one million dollar exemption plus two hundred and fifty k

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Speaker 1: for residences. He also wants to raise the capital gains

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Speaker 1: tax rate. Now, in an ideal world, those changes would

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Speaker 1: be coupled with a much larger estate tax that kicks

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Speaker 1: in at much lower levels. Trump made this dynastic wealth

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Speaker 1: loophole much greater during his term. Thank you, mister President.

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Speaker 1: I'd throw a wealth tax into so you don't have

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Speaker 1: to wait until death for the rich to pay anything

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Speaker 1: into the public treasury. But with this much money at stake,

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Speaker 1: literally again, the largest fortune in history, you can bet

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Speaker 1: that those with the power and the money will fight

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Speaker 1: like hell to make sure every aspect of the status

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Speaker 1: quo is preserved. Already, a bipartisan group of Senators has

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Speaker 1: voiced their objections to even President Biden's inadequate proposals. And

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Speaker 1: that's the asymmetry of class warfare for you. Because the

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Speaker 1: rich don't need any changes to the law to continue

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Speaker 1: to win. The status quo automatically perpetuates in a quality

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Speaker 1: generation after generation, locking in our new Gilded age dominated

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Speaker 1: by dynastic wealth and financial royalists. The greatest wealth transfer

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Speaker 1: in history is just one more scheme to rob the

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Speaker 1: working class of their shot at the American dream and saga.

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Speaker 1: I think this is one of those underlying trends. That's

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Speaker 1: one more thing I promise. Just wanted to make sure

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Speaker 1: you knew about my podcast with Kyle Kolinski. It's called Crystal,

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Speaker 1: Kyle and Friends, where we do long form interviews with

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Speaker 1: people like Nom Chomsky, Cornell West, and Glenn Greenwald. You

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Speaker 1: can listen on any podcast platform, or you can subscribe

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Speaker 1: over on substack to get the video a day early.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna stop bugging you now enjoy all right, Sager,

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Speaker 1: what are you looking at well? One of the things

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Speaker 1: that drives me the most insane in things about Congress.

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Speaker 1: It's not just how filthy rich so many of these

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Speaker 1: politicians are, but the fact that the closer you look,

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Speaker 1: the more it seems it's so many of them got

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01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: or staying filthy rich, not through good honest work, but

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Speaker 1: from occupying the very positions of power that they're elected to.

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Speaker 1: I know you shouldn't be surprised. It's actually a tale

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Speaker 1: as old as time to leverage your power to enrich yourself.

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Speaker 1: But it still makes me enraged. And while this is

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Speaker 1: absolutely a bipartisan story, there are of course places we

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Speaker 1: should focus on. In my opinion, those at the very

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Speaker 1: top of institutions themselves should be held to the highest standards.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty outrageous when Donald Trump was

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Speaker 1: president and he literally owned hotels where foreign leaders would stay,

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Speaker 1: and unlike other hypocrites, I think it's outrageous that Nancy Pelosi,

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Speaker 1: the Speaker of the House, maintains one of the most

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Speaker 1: active stock trading portfolios in Congress. When you look closely,

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Speaker 1: that puts other corruption to shame. Just a note, all

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Speaker 1: of the information here is publicly available through the Stock Act.

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Speaker 1: The problem though is a media doesn't want to cover it. Luckily,

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Speaker 1: our friend unusual Wales over on Twitter he has it covered.

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Speaker 1: He dug into the data and he found some truly

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Speaker 1: stunning results. The first trade that he looked at was this.

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Speaker 1: In late May and early June, Nancy Pelosi bought several

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Speaker 1: hundred thousands of dollars worth of highly leveraged options on Apple, Amazon,

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Speaker 1: and NVDA stock. Now, again, these aren't normal stock trades.

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Speaker 1: These are leveraged options, meaning that the payouts are much higher,

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Speaker 1: but the risk is high as well. I'll spare you

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Speaker 1: the nitty gritty details, but suffice it to say that

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Speaker 1: this is the equivalent of more like a casino level bet,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily a well considered investment, that is, unless you

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Speaker 1: have good information and lo and behold, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of interesting details when you start to dig into it.

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Speaker 1: Her June third trade, noted by Unusual Whales was an

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Speaker 1: Envda NVDA. You may not know, it's a semiconductor and

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Speaker 1: chip manufacturing company. And it just so happened that not

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Speaker 1: only is that stock splitting, but that the trade was

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Speaker 1: made five days before the US Senate approved billions of

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Speaker 1: dollars for US semiconductor manufacturing. Now, look, I'm a huge

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Speaker 1: fan of that bill. I'm a big supporter of the

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Speaker 1: American semiconductor industry. But the appearance of corruption undercuts confidence

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Speaker 1: that this is being done for the right reasons. And look,

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Speaker 1: it's public information. Everybody did kind of know that bill

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Speaker 1: was going to pass. But here's the problem. I shouldn't

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Speaker 1: even have a question in my mind that the woman

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Speaker 1: who is third in line for presidential succession is trading

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Speaker 1: on possibly non public information and enriching herself to the

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Speaker 1: tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars. Look closer, and

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Speaker 1: you've got to be amazed at how well she's done unusual.

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Speaker 1: Wales notes this pelosis one year June twenty twenty to

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Speaker 1: June twenty twenty one. Results are fifty six percent. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: fifty six that's a full twenty percent more than the

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Speaker 1: Dow Jones industrial average or the S and P five hundred.

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Speaker 1: There are hedge funds on Wall Street that promise and

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Speaker 1: don't deliver results like that. So the question remains, what

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Speaker 1: does she know that we do not. She can deny

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Speaker 1: alls she wants and look to cover my legal basis.

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Speaker 1: I'm not insinuating anything illegal. Maybe it's all perfectly legal.

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Speaker 1: Maybe she and her husband are the world's greatest investors.

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Speaker 1: But the appearance alone of such at statistically significant result

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Speaker 1: itself is damaging to democracy. Consider one of the tr

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Speaker 1: that I mentioned earlier, Pelosi buys Amazon stock options in

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Speaker 1: late May. Okay, I guess I see it. Amazon's a

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Speaker 1: blue chip stock, right, A lot of people would bet

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Speaker 1: on it. But you may have missed this bombshell news

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Speaker 1: across the wire this week. The Pentagon is canceling a

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Speaker 1: ten billion dollar deal that it's signed with Microsoft after

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Speaker 1: protests from Amazon, and critically, it is opening the deal

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Speaker 1: to solicit bids from both Microsoft and Amazon, likely to

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Speaker 1: split it some way fifty to fifty, meaning Amazon just

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Speaker 1: went from zero part of the deal to potentially billions

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Speaker 1: of dollars in government contracts. Now did the Speaker of

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Speaker 1: the House know about this? Who knows? I can't tell

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Speaker 1: you that she doesn't have to answer to anyone under oath,

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Speaker 1: and to get her dead to rights, you'd have to

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Speaker 1: be able to prove that she knew and traded on

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Speaker 1: that information, which would be nearly impossible. To get the

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Speaker 1: point again, is this The appearance alone is enough? This

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Speaker 1: woman and her husband are already worth tens of millions

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Speaker 1: of dollars. They've made plenty. If they want to be

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Speaker 1: private citizens and play the market, be my guest. It's

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Speaker 1: a free country. But call me old fashion. I think

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Speaker 1: public services should be about serving the public. And if

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Speaker 1: you're playing the market, not just buying and selling stocks,

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Speaker 1: but buying highly leveraged options, maybe I'm not so crazy

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Speaker 1: when I ask what the hell is going on here?

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Speaker 1: No Speaker of the House, no president, no person in

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Speaker 1: the highest levels of office should have this level of

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Speaker 1: active trading when they are in the midst of affecting

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Speaker 1: US policy at one of the most tumultuous times in

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Speaker 1: modern economic history. And I just think it's totally nuts,

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Speaker 1: Crystal to look all right joining us now. We are

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Speaker 1: very lucky to have one of our great friends, editor

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Speaker 1: in chief of the Real News, Maximilian Alvarez, the one

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Speaker 1: and only great to see my friends. Good to see Max.

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Speaker 1: It has been way too long since we've been together.

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Speaker 1: We were trying to figure out was it like back

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Speaker 1: during the Democratic primary? Yeah, probably the last time that

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Speaker 1: we did one of those week heels, like forty lifetimes ago,

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Speaker 1: million years ago. Yeh. See you in person. We want

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Speaker 1: to get to some of the amazing work that you've

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Speaker 1: been doing on the ground in Wisconsin. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: everybody going sub to the Real News on YouTube. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna put the link in the description because Max is

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Speaker 1: doing phenomenal work over there, along with a great team

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Speaker 1: of journalists that deserve your support. But I want to

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Speaker 1: get your thoughts on this New York City primary race.

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Speaker 1: We finally have the results. Now. It took long enough,

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Speaker 1: but Eric Adams, who you know, ran He positioned himself

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Speaker 1: as this like populist champion of the working class, and

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Speaker 1: in fact, the black and round working class in New

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Speaker 1: York did back him largely. But I think Ross Barkin

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Speaker 1: put it really well. He's been covering this in a

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Speaker 1: great way, and we can throw his piece up on

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Speaker 1: the screen there. Yes, he's unquestionably the mayor of the

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Speaker 1: working class. He's also unquestionably the mayor of Real Street,

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Speaker 1: Wall Street and Capital. So Max, I thought you'd be

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Speaker 1: the perfect person to provide insight into how those two

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Speaker 1: things can happen. It's quite, it's quite the coalition, but

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's a really important point, right that, like,

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Speaker 1: how can you actually signal to both of these constituencies

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Speaker 1: right under one sort of candidate. And I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think that in a lot of ways, Eric Adams, as

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Speaker 1: a person, you know, as a former police officer, as

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Speaker 1: someone who you know very much, was strict in discipline

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Speaker 1: on his messaging throughout the campaign, focusing on a crime

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Speaker 1: wave that the media was all too happy to bolster.

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Speaker 1: Not that it's coming from nowhere, right, but it's you know,

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Speaker 1: it was something that he was able to kind of

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Speaker 1: stick with through and throughout the election cycle. And I

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Speaker 1: think that for the working class folks, there are a

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Speaker 1: couple of important factors here. Adams did net quite a

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Speaker 1: few big endorsements from labor unions, right, and I think

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Speaker 1: that what he represents for a lot of interested parties

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Speaker 1: is kind of, you know, a new embodiment of the

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Speaker 1: old New York machine politics, where people's faith in him

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Speaker 1: is largely in his ability to make backroom deals to

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Speaker 1: poll levers of power where that they normally feel they

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Speaker 1: have no access to. So I imagine that a lot

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Speaker 1: of labor unions felt like, you know, this is at

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Speaker 1: least a guy who knows how to get things done

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Speaker 1: if we can get them to listen to us, we

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Speaker 1: may get something out of this. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: think that as a lot of like rank and file

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Speaker 1: and pro rank and file democracy movements in the labor

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Speaker 1: movement have kind of signaled, you know, like as with

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Speaker 1: labor's value on the shop floor, right, the strongest weapon

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01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 1: that labor has is to withhold its labor in the

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Speaker 1: same way labor unions, like big political influence could come

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Speaker 1: from withholding endorsements. A lot of labor unions are not

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Speaker 1: willing to do that because they're playing so far behind.

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Speaker 1: So they make the compromises that they do by endorsing

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Speaker 1: folks like Eric Adams, hoping that in fact, he'll he'll

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Speaker 1: kind of scratch their backs if they scratch his. Labor

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Speaker 1: unions have tried this before in New York, and they've

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Speaker 1: been burned by a number of different mayors, both were

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Speaker 1: Republican and Democrat. So I think that, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: largely a sign of you know, people really just of

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Speaker 1: the labor movement kind of doing what the best it

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01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 1: can with what it's got, but not being willing to

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Speaker 1: really wield its influence. And in a place like New York,

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01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: a heavily unionized city, the fact that labor unions are

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Speaker 1: not willing to do that is very concerning. And then

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Speaker 1: there's also the kind of issue of police, and I

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01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: think that the left, especially but all of us kind

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01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: of really need to think long and hard about what

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01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 1: it means for black and brown and working class folks

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01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: who do want more police right or who are afraid

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01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: of things like the crime wave, like what that means

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Speaker 1: in their daily lives. And I think that Eric Adams

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01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: did tap into that. I can say till I'm blue

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Speaker 1: in the face that that crime wave is in large

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Speaker 1: part a media you know, like creation. It doesn't mean

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01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 1: that people don't feel it, right, and it doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: that it's coming from nowhere. Murder rate is higher since

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five, Okay, so it's not a media creation

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01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: to say it's the highest is nineteen ninety five terms

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Speaker 1: of reporting, and all of that murder is actually one

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01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: of the most reported crimes because there's literally a dead body.

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01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 1: So I would say, this is where I get a

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01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: little bit frustrated. And you have been somebody who I

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Speaker 1: think has always been very honest about what exactly is

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Speaker 1: happening here. So how do you square the fact like

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Speaker 1: what happened with Eric Adams, and I've actually said this

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Speaker 1: with Crystal. People are trying to paint too much of

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Speaker 1: a brush. Larry Krasner also won in Philadelphia, So it's

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Speaker 1: not like and she's Chase A. Boudin's probably gonna get

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01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 1: recalled and he's probably gonna win. And India Walton, who's

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01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 1: basically half defund the police, just won in Buffalo. So

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Speaker 1: like it is not like a you know, but that

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01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,600
Speaker 1: being said, crime is a problem, especially nationally, How do

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01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,560
Speaker 1: you think this is going to square for the progressive

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01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: movement when you can't even win in a place like

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Speaker 1: New York City, like Philly aside Buffalo great, but like

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01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 1: it's such a beacon in terms of the politics that

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Speaker 1: it does seem to be significant blow. It's gonna it

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Speaker 1: is a significant blow. It's gonna be I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think that anyone who says it's not is lying right

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01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 1: and kidding themselves frankly. And you know when I say that,

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Speaker 1: you know, we need to kind of think more critically

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01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: about why working class folks, especially in black and brown communities,

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01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: do respond to kind of things like media coverage of

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Speaker 1: the crime wave. And then a candidate like Eric Adams,

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Speaker 1: who is able to both say that he's going to

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Speaker 1: address it but also signal because of his past that

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01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 1: you know, he would do it the right way, right,

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01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 1: that he was a police reformer, right that he would

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Speaker 1: make sure that policing, which still a lot of working

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01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: class communities do rely on right, would be done in

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01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: a more equitable and just way. Right. We're largely kind

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Speaker 1: of taking that on faith. But here's where I think,

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Speaker 1: like the really important point is, you guys know that,

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Speaker 1: like you know, we've discussed this before, Like I covered

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01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 1: the Amazon union drive investment. Right, there were a lot

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Speaker 1: of Amazon workers after that who said, like, look, a

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01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 1: union sounded great. But the fact is that Bessemer is

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Speaker 1: still a de industrialized town that is twice a national

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Speaker 1: poverty rate. Fifteen dollars wage at Amazon is still one

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Speaker 1: of the best things that we can get. And you

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01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 1: really have people who are in a situation of choosing

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Speaker 1: between the devil they knew and the devil they didn't. Right,

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01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: most of them didn't know what it would mean to

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Speaker 1: be in a union, and most of them knew very

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Speaker 1: very well what it meant to be on the knife's

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Speaker 1: edge of keeping a roof over their head. I bring

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Speaker 1: that comparison up because most working class people in this

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Speaker 1: country have only ever known what it feels like to

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Speaker 1: live under siege, right, and we make decisions like from

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01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 1: that position. In the abstract, the notion that more union

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Speaker 1: density in this country would lead to higher wages, more

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Speaker 1: workplace democracy, and would lift the floor for everyone is

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Speaker 1: still largely theoretical because we haven't had it in so

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Speaker 1: long most people don't know. Same goes for the police argument.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of connective tissue here where

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Speaker 1: folks living in kind of underserved communities where you do

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01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: see a lot of crime have only ever known like

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Speaker 1: the police as a potential solution to make them safe, right,

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Speaker 1: even if the police do not always make them safe, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's the one thing that they know that

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Speaker 1: can you know, like keep crime from impeding their abilities

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Speaker 1: to live the lives that they want. They don't know

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Speaker 1: what it means to live in a society where a

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Speaker 1: more economically just system can actually kind of improve their

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Speaker 1: life quality. We're trying to make these high level philosophical,

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Speaker 1: theoretical arguments to a group of people. Who's who has

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01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 1: to live in the here and now? Right? Who? Because

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Speaker 1: they're under siege. In that way, has to live for

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Speaker 1: today and tomorrow and the immediate future. When I talked

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Speaker 1: about India Walton, who's the first socialist candidate to win

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Speaker 1: a mayoral election in a major city in like since

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Speaker 1: the sixties, because apparently they don't count Bernie Sanders. Burlington's

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Speaker 1: not a major city, I guess, but it is. Actually

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Speaker 1: it's pretty much very nice down I like Vermont. But

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Speaker 1: you know, the last so before India Walton, the last

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Speaker 1: mayor of a major city who was a socialist was

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Speaker 1: in Milwaukee and was considered. They called themselves sewer Socialists,

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Speaker 1: which was supposed to be derogatory at first because the

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Speaker 1: other sort of like cool socialists were like, why are

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01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 1: you guys talking about your awesome sewer system all the time.

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Speaker 1: But this was actually very successful because it was concrete.

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01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 1: It was like, no, no, we are delivering real services

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01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,719
Speaker 1: that are important to you in the here and now.

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01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 1: And so the philosophy of the sewer Socialists was to

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01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 1: connect really tangibly to like the needs and concerns of

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01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 1: working class people in the here and now, and to

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01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,560
Speaker 1: push it aside some of the higher level rhetoric and

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01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: more revolutionary rhetoric, it was really about meeting those needs.

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01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: And so in this weird way, I see a connection

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01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:54,640
Speaker 1: between Eric adams run which was very concrete I'm going

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01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,759
Speaker 1: to make you feel personal physical safety in your daily

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01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 1: lives today, and also India Walton, who is very effective

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01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,639
Speaker 1: at addressing concerns over gentrification and people not having access

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Speaker 1: to the opportunity. And also just you know, this guy's

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01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 1: been there forever, is kind of corrupt and like people

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01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: are done with him. So in these way or all

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Speaker 1: races in particular, so much of it is we think

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01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: in terms of ideology, because that's what we think about,

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01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 1: and we all have an ideology. We care a lot

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01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 1: about it, and it means a lot to us. But

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Speaker 1: a lot of this is not particularly ideological. It's like,

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01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 1: who actually think is going to fight for me, Who's

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01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 1: going to be capable of making those deals and being

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01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 1: able to deliver for me in the here and now.

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01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: There's a place on the left for people who are

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01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,440
Speaker 1: doing that high level theoretical thing that's really really important.

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Speaker 1: But I do think that Eric adams election says something

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01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 1: about the inability of the left to make their high

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01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 1: level ideas concrete for people in the here and now.

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01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: And we should also say, you know that the left

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01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 1: shot themselves in the face five different ways in this

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01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 1: race of Diane Morales turns out to be total fraud,

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01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 1: that like collapses, and then we're left with people like

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01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 1: Scotstring or Maya Wiley who are the left. I mean,

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01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 1: these are people who like supported Hillary Clinton. So these

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01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: are these are like Elizabeth Warrington type. So it's not

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Speaker 1: like we really had a candidate we were pulling for

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01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: here to start with. I think that's exactly right. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like the race itself was from the jump a sign

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01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: of the left's institutional powerlessness, right, And I think that

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Speaker 1: this connects to something that I know that you guys

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01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 1: have been talking about a lot, right, Like when I

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01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 1: was traveling around Wisconsin for the Real News, I remember

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01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:36,560
Speaker 1: being in Podunk, you know, like the kind of a

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01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: motel with the minimal Wi Fi connection, But I was

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Speaker 1: watching kind of the conversations that y'all were having with

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01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: and about Joe Rogan and about the Left and kind

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01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 1: of especially kind of what we call the online lefts

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01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 1: kind of proclivity for i don't know, canceling or kind

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01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: of judging people in sort of a discourse based way.

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01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,640
Speaker 1: I think this connects to kind of the question that

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01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 1: we're talking about here. Yeah, right, I mean, I don't

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01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 1: think one of the arguments I've constantly been making to

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01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:10,799
Speaker 1: people is that it's not like there's something ideologically germane

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01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 1: to who to the left that makes us like more

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01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:18,520
Speaker 1: willing to cancel people right or to try to direct

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01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 1: politics through things like Twitter and stuff like that. That's

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01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 1: just the only realm that most people who have left

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01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 1: politics feel like they have any impact on the wom

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01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 1: right because because we don't, frankly is it is I mean,

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01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 1: like and not to kind of short shrift right the

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01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: advances we're making the labor movement, you know, the important

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01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 1: kind of folks who are running for local offices to

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01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 1: try to have that real tangible impact on their communities

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01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 1: while holding true to their leftist principles. But in comparison

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01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 1: to the democratic machine and Republicans, like, we're exceedingly far

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01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 1: behind right. And so when you don't have other avenues

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01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: to sort of challenge or channel that political energy to

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01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: bear tangible results, if you do see some tangible results

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01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: in people changing their opinions, because a lot of people

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01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 1: on Twitter got mad at them or someone getting fired

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01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 1: for a bad take. If that is the one realm

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01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: in which you feel some sort of power to shape

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01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: the world that you live in, that's what you're going

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01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 1: to focus on. And the left really needs to kind

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01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:18,679
Speaker 1: of inject that energy into the labor movement, into community organizing,

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01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:23,759
Speaker 1: into building the kind of broad local, state by state

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01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: infrastructure that the Republicans have done exceedingly well. I just

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01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 1: saw a headline. I have no idea whether this is

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01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 1: true or but it was like q Andon's going after

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01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 1: the school boards, and I was like, oh shit, if

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01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 1: they're doing that, literally, that's a really good idea. We

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01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 1: should be doing more of that. MAT's I do want

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01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 1: to talk to you about your trip to Wisconsin. You

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Speaker 1: found this really fascinating coalition in rural Wisconsin that's trying

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Speaker 1: to push back against these gigantic factory farms hog farms

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Speaker 1: in particular. Talk to us a little bit about that,

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Speaker 1: and I want to play a little bit of the

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Speaker 1: clip that we have for sure. Ah, thank you. I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it, because this is a project that's really

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Speaker 1: near and dear to my heart, and it's something that

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Speaker 1: we're really excited about. You know. The Real News is

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Speaker 1: teaming up with in these times for this large investigative

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Speaker 1: project called the Wisconsin Idea, which is mainly focusing on

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Speaker 1: the changing political terrain in rural Wisconsin, right, which everyone knows,

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Speaker 1: you know, like has been largely abandoned by both parties

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Speaker 1: in a lot of instances. Right, you still see a

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Speaker 1: lot of Trump flags when you're driving around rural Wisconsin,

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Speaker 1: which we were doing, we were going all over the state.

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Speaker 1: But you also see i think, real fertile ground for

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Speaker 1: kind of cross ideological coalitions fighting in common cause against

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Speaker 1: things that they know are bad for them in their communities.

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Speaker 1: What we're focusing on this month are you know, three

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Speaker 1: rural counties in the western side of the state that

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Speaker 1: are trying to fight off the construction of these massive

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Speaker 1: industrial hog farms, right owned by Smithfield Foods own you know,

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Speaker 1: joint venture with Cumberland LLC the Growth Feeder Pig KFO

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01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 1: are concentrated animal feeding operation in Crawford County. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of important politics going on in these struggles, and

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01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 1: you're seeing folks from the left, folks from the right,

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01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: folks who don't really consider themselves very political in fact,

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01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:17,480
Speaker 1: kind of coming together and say we don't want these massive, polluting,

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Speaker 1: local economy destroying, local community upending hog farms to be

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Speaker 1: placed in our communities. And what they're finding, going back

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Speaker 1: to what we were just talking about, is that through

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Speaker 1: decades of state legislation, their ability to kind of have

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01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 1: a say in their local communities has been stripped by

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Speaker 1: the state and with the help of kind of big

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Speaker 1: ag lobbyists and stuff like that. And you saw a

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Speaker 1: very pointed example of this in Polk County, Wisconsin, where

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Speaker 1: community members voted to put a moratorium on the construction

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Speaker 1: of this massive twenty six thousand head hog farm that,

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Speaker 1: again they know is going to pollute the waterways, It's

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Speaker 1: going to smell like literal crap, right, It's going to

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01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 1: produce a lot of millions upon millions and gallons of

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Speaker 1: pig feces that's going to run off into the rivers.

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Speaker 1: That's going to poison the air, it's gonna make a

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Speaker 1: lot of the water undrinkable, it's going to tank property values,

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01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 1: it's going to affect everybody. Right, You're seeing kind of

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01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 1: this interesting coalition of people coming together and saying we

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01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,719
Speaker 1: don't want this here. And when they voted to put

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Speaker 1: you know, moratorium. And when they voted to try to

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Speaker 1: regulate in a moderate way the construction of this hog farm,

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Speaker 1: they were the county board of Supervisors was slapped with

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Speaker 1: a kind of threatening letters saying that they would be

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Speaker 1: charged with federal crimes if they voted yes for this

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01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: right and and so you really see the two different

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Speaker 1: legal systems highlighted in rural parts of the country where

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Speaker 1: these these international entities, because like in the Smithfield for

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01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 1: hog farm, all that meets going to China, of course, yes, right,

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01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 1: and it's it's making like Polk County the toilet, not

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01:23:56,520 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 1: providing like real economic stimulus, and it's it's really sad.

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Speaker 1: We have a bit of a clip from your recent

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01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 1: trip down there. Let's take a listen to that. People

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01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 1: need to raise their voices about this. People need to

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01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 1: recognize that there are folks all around this community who

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01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 1: are fighting for not just like their land, their air,

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01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 1: and their water, but I mean their community as such.

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01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 1: Now you put this massive CAFO here that's going to

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Speaker 1: destroy kind of all the kind of shared common resources

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01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 1: that people here depend on. What's going to be left

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01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: of the community, right, what's going to be left of

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01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 1: the land and that damage is going to stay for

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01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 1: a long fucking time. Mass do an incredible work on

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Speaker 1: the ground in Wisconsin. You guys are always focused on

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01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 1: things that no one else is paying attention to, but

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01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 1: are really driving what's happening in politics for a large

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01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 1: Give them a follow over there at the Real News.

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01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 1: Support that the work that they're doing in every way

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01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 1: that you can have a link down in the description.

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Speaker 1: So great to see. We appreciate you. Thank you Max,

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01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 1: Thanks guys. Yeah, really appreciate it. Everybody. Thank you all

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01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 1: so much for watching or listening. We really appreciate it.

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01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 1: You guys can become a premium subscriber today, listen to

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01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 1: the entire show in our early and watch it as well.

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01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 1: That's right down there in the description link. And we

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Speaker 1: will see you all next Monday. Have a good weekend,

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01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: Have a great weekend, guys, see you on Monday. Thanks

1568
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,280
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