1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much 3 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: for tuning in. Before we do our regular stuff. We 4 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: gotta tell you it is good to be back. It's 5 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: super producer Max. What's mister Noel Brown? 6 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: Dude? 7 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 3: I was just doing that like Chris Farley, get an 8 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: excited thing, you know where I'm like on my face, 9 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 3: like moving my head all around, you know, getting all 10 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 3: pumped up for Ridiculous History. 11 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: We took a little. 12 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 3: Bit of a micro hiatus, not what like normal people 13 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: would call an actual hiatus, but I think we took 14 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 3: a week of classics or we intersperse some in there 15 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 3: who actually knows what well Max does. 16 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: And they called me ben Bullet. 17 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 3: It is I Noel Brown, Max. What happened exactly? How 18 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 3: the schedule get kerfuffed? 19 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 4: We we did. 20 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 5: Three classics, but it has been a long time since 21 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 5: the three of us been. I remember we recorded something, 22 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 5: was it Aaron Burr? 23 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? 24 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 5: And then walking away, I looked at Nola, I'm like, 25 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 5: hey man, it's gonna be like the last time we 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 5: were recording until November, and I. 27 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 3: Down we embraced It was a very tender moment and 28 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 3: went to a hot tub. 29 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 1: I'm sure so well. 30 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 5: Ben looked out the window with his hand on the 31 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 5: window being set. 32 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 2: That's very kind. 33 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: As we all remember, it was actually my nipple that 34 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: I was putting on the glass, of course, and then 35 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: I put my. 36 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 5: Clean We don't want to point out that you were, 37 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 5: you know, indecently, right, right, So. 38 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: I don't think a nipple is considered in it's but 39 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 3: it's also, let's just really quickly, sorry, gonna gonna stand 40 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: on a pedestal hill. 41 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: Shit, Why are women's nipples off off limits because of 42 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: the Puritans? That's bolt crap. 43 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that from a perspective of horniness. 44 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 3: I'm saying it from a perspective of equal nippleness, you 45 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 3: know what I mean. 46 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 4: So couldn't we say damn Puritans? 47 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: We could say damn Puritans, And it turns out we 48 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: have a reservoir of water and damn based punge. 49 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of pronouncing reservoir like memoir, like 50 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 3: like in a very like high falutin French kind of way. 51 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: Are we supposed to say reservoir? 52 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 3: I mean, that's you know, maybe that's americanized I don't know, 53 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 3: but that's how I would typically put a hard R 54 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 3: on the end. But it does feel like a French 55 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 3: word etymologically speaking. So I think you're absolutely in the 56 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 3: right and I'm a big fan of it. 57 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:47,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel you, man. 58 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: And maybe it does sound a little high falluting to 59 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: our fellow Americans. See I would say high fallutin so so, folks, Uh, 60 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: real quick, just so you know, we as you could tell, hopefully, 61 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: the energy is contagious. The enthusiasm here is real. And 62 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: sincere Noel just got back from Nashville, Max, you were 63 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: on a walk about through the Pacific Northwest. I was 64 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: out so far west that it's the East for a while. 65 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: And before we did any of that, we went to 66 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: Las Vegas, which we mentioned in previous episodes, and peek. 67 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: Behind the curtain. Noel, you know this well, one of. 68 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 1: The We're not divas folks, by the way, in the 69 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: entirety of the network. We are so we are such 70 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: go with the flow guys that we always we always 71 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: try to make things work the weirdest thing. So it 72 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: was odd for one of us to put in a 73 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: bit of a diva esque caveat or fine print and 74 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: say we're only going to Vegas if you let us 75 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: rent a car to see the Hoover Dam. 76 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 3: Hoover Dam or bust, I believe is the way you 77 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 3: put it. 78 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: It was. 79 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, But let me tell you as I think I 80 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 3: can speak for all of us and saying that we 81 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 3: had a really fun time in Vegas. I think you'd 82 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: been before, but I'd never been, and it was the 83 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 3: vegasness of it all was a delight. I had a 84 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 3: good time, won a little money, lost a little money, 85 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 3: saw some shows, made some friends, made some memories, you know, 86 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 3: played some slots, a little blackjack. Our hotel had been hacked, 87 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: so our lights were sort of not fully functioning. It 88 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 3: was a little bit of an odd time. But of 89 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 3: all the things that we experienced in Vegas, I would 90 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: say our trip out to the Hoover Dam, which was 91 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 3: the first time I'd never really driven through proper desert 92 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 3: desert like you know, been to Los Angeles, been to 93 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 3: No cow so Cal holiday inn, but had never driven 94 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 3: through the actual desert, you know, where the bodies are 95 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 3: buried in Casino, and that in and of itself, just 96 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 3: to the getting to the. 97 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: Hoover Dam was awesome. 98 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 3: And then as you're grounding these like switchback kind of 99 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 3: corners you see in the distance, this thing that I 100 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 3: believe Paul we were traveling with, said something like, it's 101 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 3: like more real than real, Like it looks like like 102 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 3: a video game. It's so the way we're used to 103 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 3: seeing these types of grand you know, set pieces literally 104 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 3: is in games or in movies. So to see something 105 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 3: that's this expansive vista of this man made harnessing of nature. 106 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 3: I know, I sound like I'm really towing the current 107 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: line here, but it's awesome and it is like almost 108 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 3: this uncanny valley vibe. To see this thing in person, 109 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 3: it was spectacular, is what I'm getting. 110 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: I had a great time. 111 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 2: I yeah, I'm so glad to hear that. 112 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: We were fortunate enough to go with, as you mentioned, 113 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: our pal super producer and stuff they'll want, you know, 114 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: Paul Decant, Matt, Frederick our Ryder Die and uh one 115 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: of our emperors of sound cues here, Max, who very 116 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: much missed. We rounded the corner just as you said, Noel, 117 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: and the sheer immensity of it one of my one 118 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: of my I were the diva by the way, I was, Yeah, 119 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: I was the one who said yeah, I was the 120 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,799 Speaker 1: one who said, well, I told our bosses we would 121 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: only go if it was it was. Actually, it was 122 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: a very uncharacteristic move for me because I didn't check 123 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: with anyone internally, So. 124 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 3: You think it was more of a gentle request and 125 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 3: or you didn't tell it to anybody. 126 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: But it makes for a good story, I I texted Will. 127 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: But but the cool thing about this, oh, I've got 128 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: to say it. Uh. I think it was my dad 129 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: who told me the first time he saw the Hoover Dam, 130 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: he was struck by the sheer audacity of it. He said, 131 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: it was as though a man had spat in the 132 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: face of God. And I was like, whoa a million dude. 133 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: And that's what it's all about. 134 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 3: It's like harnessing this natural you know feature the Colorado River, 135 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 3: these rushing waters and like and you know, you think 136 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 3: about that kind of technology and the ingenuity and ability 137 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 3: to you know, kind of innovate in such a way, 138 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 3: and all this took place and what like the. 139 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: Twenties, Yeah, like the early nineteen hundreds, and you nailed it. 140 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: Our story starts with the Colorado River. The Colorado River 141 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: is huge. It's well over fourteen hundred miles long fourteen 142 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty miles long. It is the lifeline for 143 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: the American Southwest and the West in general, Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, Wyoming, Arizona, 144 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: Nevada or Nevada, we know in California as well as 145 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: two states in Mexico. This is where the great the 146 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: Colorado River made the Grand Canyon. 147 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Grand literally sliced over time through these 148 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: rocks and made this incredible feature, which really speaks to 149 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 3: the power and like the absolute you know, just might 150 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 3: of this natural resource, you know. 151 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, So of. 152 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 3: Course man is immediately not going to be satisfied with that. 153 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 3: We got to figure out how can we make this 154 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 3: thing work to our benefit, which is you know, understandable. 155 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 3: This is a very arid and inhospitable region. 156 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. 157 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: And also it's so people have lived in this area 158 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: for thousands and thousands and thousands of years, but due 159 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: to the exact nature of the environment what you're describing inhospitable. 160 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: Due to that, the population has always been limited because 161 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: there are only so many resources to go around. America 162 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: as a country takes that personally. So they were looking 163 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: at ways to enable large massive communities and agricultural interests. 164 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: And that's why right now, thanks to the Colorado River 165 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: and the Hoover Dam, this is the water source for 166 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: more than twenty five million people. It irrigates three point 167 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: five million acres of farmland. You can learn all about 168 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: this in an incredibly cartoonish propagandistic film they make a 169 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: watch before the tour, Noel. 170 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 2: Can you describe that one a little bit? 171 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 3: It's just, you know, lots of buzz phrases like the 172 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 3: ingenuity of the human spirits, you know, and man's great 173 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 3: desire to tame nature, you know, stuff I'm paraphrasing, but 174 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 3: stuff like that black and white footage, a lot of 175 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 3: like ken Burns affect still, you know, kind of zoom 176 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 3: ins of like all these archival photos of men. 177 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just what it was. 178 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 3: It was men working on this insane project, which we're 179 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 3: going to get into some of the particularities of the 180 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: insanity and ridiculousness. Because you're right, Ben, the word your 181 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: dad used audacity. It is like, how dare you think 182 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 3: that you could do this? You know, but also good 183 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 3: job for doing it. But then of course you got to, 184 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 3: you know, break a few eggs to make a Hoover dam. 185 00:09:53,800 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: Yes, the Colorado River has a street name in the 186 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: Halls of Power. It's nicknamed the River of Law because 187 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: of all the legal disputes that have involved what happens 188 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: to the water over the decades. It is now one 189 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: of the most highly controlled rivers in the world. And still, 190 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: whatever the points may be about controversy and audacity, it 191 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: is true. Without the Hoover Dam, the West as we 192 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: know it, the United States, for sure, would be fundamentally different. 193 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: And they're going to use a different f word there, 194 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: right right, And it all happens because of a disaster. 195 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: So rewind the clock back with US folks or the VHS. 196 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: That's a very mixed turn of phrase. Anyway, go back 197 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: to the early nineteen hundreds, just as you were saying, no, 198 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: it's the turn of the twentieth century. Farmers are trying 199 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: to divert the Colorado River to these nascent and emergent 200 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: Southwestern communities, and at first they do it with canals, 201 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: and they totally drop the ball because the Colorado River, 202 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 1: like any river of its size, it's not necessarily one 203 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: hundred percent clean operation. It gathers a lot of debris 204 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: and silt and dust and animal excrement as it flows downstream. 205 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 3: That's right, So that downstream exactly ben So this can 206 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 3: be a problem specifically involving the Imperial Alamo Canal that 207 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 3: is constructed. So all of this silt, which is if 208 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: you remember back to I guess physical science maybe or geology. 209 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: I took geology in college, which was fine. 210 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 3: We went to Stone Mountain and looked at like rock rocks, 211 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 3: you know what do they call those cross sections and 212 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 3: things like that. So silt is literally it's kind of 213 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 3: just sand, but it's sand and particulate matter that is carried. 214 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 3: It's a load, you know, like basically it's a It 215 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 3: is a lot of volume of this stuff that can 216 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 3: be suspended in water and then it kind of gets 217 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 3: to pose. So that's also what can sometimes create like 218 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: river beds, river banks and things like that. It'll get 219 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 3: carried and deposited. But that can be a real problem 220 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 3: if you're not taking into account you know, what this 221 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 3: is actually doing for the flow of the river, right, 222 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 3: because the river, you know, some of them are wider 223 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 3: than others, but it's not the ocean. I mean, it 224 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 3: is a winding path and if it gets kinked up, 225 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 3: much like a clogged artery in the human body. 226 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: That can cause some real problems downstream. Oh yeah, Eventually 227 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: what happens is you've no longer redirected the water. You 228 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: have built a wall to prevent the passage of that 229 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: precious resource and crops that were growing in this imperial 230 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: valley then, as now, they were very desperate for water 231 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: and the canal system. As this silt that you describe 232 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: adds up, it just couldn't deliver. So at first, authorities 233 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: try all sorts of things. At first they say, Okay, 234 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: here's what we're going to do. We're just going to 235 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: always clean our house on a schedule, will remove the 236 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: silt and will scour the channel. As anybody who has 237 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: tried to make a regular house cleaning schedule knows, it's 238 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 1: very difficult to do consistently. 239 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 3: Dude, I only just recently, and I'm not like Oula 240 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 3: laying myself yes, and it is a game changer because 241 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 3: I just don't ever have the wherewithal or the skills 242 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 3: frankly to do a very good job. 243 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: It is not my wheelhouse. 244 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 3: I do my best, and you know, and if you 245 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 3: have someone like that coming to help you with the 246 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 3: big picture maintenance. You can do little things along the way, 247 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 3: you know, that kind of help maintain the order. 248 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: And it's not super expensive anymore. 249 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 3: It's it's truly not, it's truly not, and it is 250 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 3: something that can really add to your quality of life 251 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 3: and peace of mind. And we're sponsored today by it. 252 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 3: No or not, it's just a thing, but this is 253 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 3: a very similar thing. It's all about maintaining your house, 254 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 3: you know, keeping things orderly and not letting things pile up. 255 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 3: Because it's just like the way dust bunnies can accumulate 256 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 3: in your house without you realizing it, this stuff can accumulate, 257 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 3: you know, in these bodies of water, and it's a system. 258 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 3: It is a very delicate balance system, and if things 259 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 3: are not happening correctly, aren't flowing correctly, it can cause 260 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 3: real problems. Enter something called the Saltan's Sea, which I 261 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 3: think we were all kind of fascinated by the sultans 262 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 3: Sink specifically, and then they'll get into that. So what 263 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 3: the Sultan's Sea is in a little bit, so they 264 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 3: kept the various authorities. We're trying to do things like, okay, 265 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 3: cleaning every day, the equivalent of doesn't work. They said, 266 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 3: let's dredge the area. No one has the money to 267 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 3: do it. The clock is ticking, the crops are going thirsty. 268 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 3: Enter the California Development Company. 269 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: They're the ones who are supposed to get water to everybody, 270 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: So they become the scapegoat. And they know that if 271 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: they don't figure out an answer soon one they'll all 272 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: be fired to the impre valley will cease to exist. 273 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: So they still couldn't get For five years, they couldn't 274 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: figure this out, and a disaster strikes. Nineteen oh five. 275 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: The Colorado River breaks free of an overburdened irrigation channel 276 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: and it goes right to the place you're describing. If 277 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: floods an area called the Sultan Sink, and this is 278 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: disastrous for the Southern Pacific Railroad. 279 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 2: The railroad is huge. 280 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: This is the age of Robert Barons and tycoons, and 281 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: even they are powerless in the face of nature, the flood, 282 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: the surrounding geography. There's a great line from an article 283 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: in the Los Angeles Herald on July twenty sixth, nineteen 284 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: oh five. It says the following. In the struggled fall, 285 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: supremacy between the Southern Pacific Railroad and the Sultan Sea. 286 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: The Watas have won. 287 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 3: Well done. The only way to read that it's true. 288 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 3: So the Mojave Desert to the north and the Sonora 289 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 3: to nor End Desert to the south border this sink 290 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 3: seventy meters below sea level at the very bottom of 291 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 3: what's called the Sultan Trough. And so by the time 292 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 3: the railroad had kind of gotten their ducks in a 293 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 3: row and done what they could to figure out how 294 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 3: to seal this overflow, eighteen months had passed and the 295 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 3: Sultan Sink was no longer just a little sink. It 296 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 3: was now what is referred to as the Sultan's Sea, 297 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 3: which in and of itself is a fascinating place. Oh, 298 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 3: there's actually a movie called The Sultan Sea with Val Kilmer. 299 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 3: And if you've ever played Grand Theft Auto five, I 300 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 3: want to say, what's the one with the weird methy 301 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 3: guy who lives I think that's six six maybe, so 302 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 3: that's five, okay, So he lives in this area that 303 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 3: is basically the Sultan Sea. 304 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 4: Right right, and exactly that's what it is. 305 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 3: I think there was a time where the trever n 306 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 3: It's all coming back to me. 307 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 4: Not Trevor young. 308 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 3: Heart producer who also lives in La But the Sultan 309 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 3: Sea as a community used to be I think more thriving, 310 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: like there was even like a little you know kind 311 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 3: of stuff, and it was for sure. But then over time, 312 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 3: because of what happened in this Sultan Sea drying up, 313 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 3: We're gonna that's a whole other story to say, it 314 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 3: does become this very sad, kind of like downtrodden community 315 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 3: as it is depicted in that. 316 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: Game and in the movie with Val Kilmer. 317 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 3: But again because of this ecological disaster that was caused 318 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 3: by just not minding the ecological shop in terms of 319 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 3: like paying attention to Okay, we've done these things, these 320 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 3: man made things, and now we're seeing what God hath wrought, 321 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 3: you know what his his his wrath, hath brought down 322 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 3: upon us for daring to have the audacity once again 323 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 3: to interfere with the natural course of nature. 324 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: And so for a time, the Sultan Sea was California's 325 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: largest lake. It was a monument to the mistake of 326 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: the canals. Thirty six miles long, twenty six miles wide, 327 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: This shock of water in in ordinarily parched, desiccated desert 328 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: it recreated this ancient lake that had disappeared two hundred 329 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: years prior. And now I'd love that you pointed that out. 330 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 2: Man. 331 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: Now, just as the ancient lake disappeared, the current one 332 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: is disappearing, and as it does, the waters are receding 333 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: back to reveal this toxic Dusty mad Max esque its landed. 334 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: You know, it's like Fury Road. 335 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 3: There's actually a really good article on California dot Com 336 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 3: that's just what happened to the Salt and Sea, and 337 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 3: it's it has to do with too, like it became 338 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 3: very the salinity levels of it rose, so it just 339 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 3: it just began to cause all these like I think, 340 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 3: fishkill and like really bad problems and revealed, like you said, 341 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 3: all this overflow and runoff from fertilizer from neighboring area. 342 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 3: This is really a separate story, but honestly, I think 343 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 3: we should do an episode on the saltan Sea. I'm 344 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 3: pulling little bits that I remember, and I'm looking at 345 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 3: articles here and there, but I'm realizing now there is 346 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 3: a ton of information there and we can bring back 347 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 3: our conversation of g T A five and Trevor as well. 348 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm glad you mentioned that too, because I 349 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: just realized GTA six has not come out yet. They're 350 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: about to announce it. 351 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 3: I heard today that they were gonna potentially announce it, 352 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 3: and that's. 353 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 4: Why I jumped in. 354 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 2: Trailer. 355 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: The trailer comes out in December, and I think we're 356 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: all do the GTA six fit GTAs going on ten 357 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: years since five. It's like when Street Fighter had to 358 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: learn to count to three, you know what I mean, 359 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: it took a while. 360 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 5: And in the defense, rock Star is in that category 361 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 5: with like Bethesda, Sure and Naughty Dog where it's like, 362 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 5: take your time, take your time while you're making these games, 363 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 5: because when they make them, they're they're they're worth it. 364 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 3: And and they still end up doing these whole crunch scenarios. Oh, 365 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 3: people are having to pee in bottles, and you know, 366 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,959 Speaker 3: but I think I think that's become such a pr 367 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 3: nightmare that they're doing everything they can to prevent that, 368 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 3: if only for like, you know, not getting slammed in 369 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 3: the press, and because I think we're at a place now, 370 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 3: I hope largely where people are looking for that kind 371 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 3: of behavior and it's sort of not tolerated as much anymore. 372 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 5: I've heard that at the major companies has gotten better. 373 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 4: It's the small company. 374 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, to be competitive the indie companies also. 375 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, the danger is that you're you're working in a 376 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: market where it's someone's dream job. It is a dream 377 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: job to be a video game creator. 378 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 3: So, man, we've been there with the podcast stuff, I mean, 379 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 3: through various ownerships, and you know where we are now. 380 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 3: I think we're probably in a pretty good work life 381 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 3: balance situation for the most part. But in the past, 382 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 3: when I first got this job and we were owned 383 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 3: by a company that shall not be named, I would 384 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 3: have done anything, you know, and I didn't even have 385 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 3: healthcare at the time. You know, I would have worked 386 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 3: whatever hours they asked me to. But we we digress 387 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 3: a little bit. But I think to things of value 388 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 3: and definitely let's put a pin in the sultancy episode. 389 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 3: But what happens now as a result of this, the 390 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 3: lessons learned perhaps from this ecological disaster. 391 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, what happens now is the job of controlling the 392 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: uncontrollable Colorado River. This herculean task falls to the US 393 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: Bureau of Reclamation, and we hung out with some of 394 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: their representatives when we visited Hoover ourselves excellent tour guide 395 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: who was not just we asked ourselves or maybe I 396 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: asked the question, like, how does one become a tour 397 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: guide at the Hoover Dam And it's not all he does. 398 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: He was a historian who works for the Department of 399 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: Reclamation or whatever it is of our reclamation and he 400 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 1: studies the Hoover Dams job. We'll get to Matt at 401 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: the end. That guy is awesome. Shout out Hoover Matt. 402 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: Whope you're listening. So, feaced with this nigh impossible task, 403 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: the Bureau of Reclamation has a They have a bit 404 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: of what Star Trek would call this for umax, a 405 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: kobyashi maru, which means there is an unsolvable scenario and 406 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: so spoiler they captain kirk it. They said, look, if 407 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: the problem without if the problem is we understand it 408 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: is the following constraints, let's step back and let's change 409 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: the constraints. So let's stop trying to do individual canals. 410 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: Let's figure out something that will be to the benefit 411 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: of all. And that's where we introduce in nineteen twenty two, 412 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: the Bureau director Arthur Powell Davis. 413 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, first of all, can we just talk really quickly. 414 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 3: The idea of a dam is something that occurs naturally 415 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 3: as well. You know, beavers make them, you know, beavers. 416 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: Who famously saw water living on its own and said 417 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: fuck that, nah, exactly, we got to do something about this. 418 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 3: But it's essentially just building a wall wall not not 419 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 3: made of water, but in the water, that separates a 420 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 3: body of water. 421 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: You didn't have to but that there here a dam 422 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: is about to wait. Back beat, the beaver's about to eat. 423 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 3: Now he's got to let these beavers eat. That's partially 424 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 3: probably why they build the damp. But it's just, you know, 425 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 3: a thing that separates a body of water into sections, 426 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 3: and it raises the water level on one side and 427 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 3: lowers it on the other side. And then that's the 428 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 3: most if I'm not mistaken, the most fundamentally basic version 429 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 3: of what this is, and it's being it's been done, 430 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 3: you know, it's a low fi technique that has been 431 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 3: done for hundreds and hundreds of years, if not thousands 432 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 3: of years, of course, so this what we're talking about, 433 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 3: is the like the most extra plussed up version of that. 434 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: So American. It's clearly from the same country that will 435 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: later go on to say, cocaine's okay, but what if 436 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: we kicked it up a notch, you know what I mean, 437 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: Like that's a crack joke, which I did not expect 438 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: in today's episode. 439 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: You're you're absolutely right. 440 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: Also, just to set back for a sec, Max, did 441 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: we get the Kobyashi Maru reference correct? 442 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 4: Ben? 443 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 5: You nailed it one hundred percent correct, even the Captain 444 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 5: Kirk reference about how because you know he cheats the system, 445 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 5: he's the only ones ever succeeded in the Kobyashi Maru 446 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 5: is because he changed the problem. 447 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 4: Because because yeah, it's a no win situation. 448 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 5: So the Kobashian Maru is there's a ship over the 449 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 5: border outside of the Federation space. It's like a civilian 450 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 5: ship being attacked by Klingons. So you can go in 451 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 5: and save the ship, but your ship will get blown up, 452 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 5: or you can leave them outside of Federation space and 453 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 5: they get blown up. 454 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: You could have just said, yes, Max, nosolutely. 455 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 4: We did an episode about the origins of Star Trek. 456 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 5: This has been I have high I've hijacked this all right, No, 457 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 5: this is gonna be ridiculous Star Trek history by the end. 458 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: Nol, what do you think does that get the sound cue. 459 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I what else is it for if not 460 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 3: that Max with the facts. 461 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: Of phone and he drops in the knowledge. 462 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 3: Just for you. 463 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: So good, there we go, So back to back to 464 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: the setup that you've been you have been attempting to 465 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: do for like five minutes. Now, our Captain Kirk here, 466 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: Arthur Powell Davis. He makes this audacious proposal and he says, look, 467 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: we're going to go to the Black Canyon right there 468 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: on the border of Arizona and Nevada, because we not 469 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: just geography, but politics become involved here. We need it 470 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: to be something that gives every state a stake in 471 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: the agreement. And so he says, we're going to build 472 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: this thing. I call it the Boulder Canyon Project, and 473 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: then he does Simpson's monoail speech. It's gonna control flooding 474 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: and irrigation. We're gonna make money by generating sully hydro 475 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: electric power. 476 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like a bit pie in the sky, 477 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 3: you know, but it's it's not. 478 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: It wasn't. 479 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 3: I mean, we'll get to that. It is definitely a 480 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 3: big swing. As they like to say. Some people, I 481 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 3: think I don't know who these people are. Some people 482 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 3: say these things it was a big idea, you know, 483 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 3: and this was the kind of the era of big ideas, right, 484 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 3: wasn't this sort of approaching kind of new deal type 485 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 3: stuff or was that later a new new. 486 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: Deal comes out in the Great Depression as a as 487 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: a move of desperation. That's right, But this is but 488 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: this is eleven years after this. 489 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 490 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is. 491 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 3: It's almost like a pre like you know, version of that, 492 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 3: because this is gonna create a ton of jobs. This 493 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 3: is gonna like you know, this is this is infrastructure city. Man. 494 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: Like, this is literally as big as it gets, right. 495 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you think about it, this is not that 496 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 5: far after Panama Canal, which you know has a billion 497 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 5: problems about it and stuff like that, but like, you know, 498 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 5: another massive infrastructure task the United States took on. 499 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 3: So on the one hand, it's functional as hell, that's 500 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 3: the idea. It's technically got the ability to pay for itself, 501 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 3: and it represents this thing. It's like this great American 502 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 3: ideology kind of writ large you know in project form. 503 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: A man a plan a Canal Panama. Right there, you go, 504 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: that's the that is that man damn a, thank you, ma'am. Yeah, 505 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: the Hoover Dam and way less Hoover Dam also way 506 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: less ethically fraud than the Panama Canal. 507 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 3: It must be said so because there were political ramifications 508 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 3: to the Panama Canal in terms of like other countries 509 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 3: and partnerships and some potential shady dealings. 510 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 1: Yeah again, maybe that's another I don't know if we've 511 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: done a Panama Canaler. 512 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 2: I have not. 513 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: And one of the big questions is whether that's better 514 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: as a ridiculous history or. 515 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 2: Stuff they don't want you to know. 516 00:27:58,560 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: Episode. 517 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 3: That's a good point. That's a good point. So at 518 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 3: this point it's just over, Oh yeah, good, okay, done right. 519 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 3: Un So this point it's like a twinkle in the 520 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 3: eye of this fellow. 521 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: Right, And he says, and they say, they say, very well, Davis, 522 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: but uh, let's talk turkey. 523 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 2: What it costs? 524 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: What well it's costs. And he says, okay, one hundred 525 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: and sixty five million dollars and he lets the silence 526 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: ride out in the boardroom. We imagine because if you 527 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: do an inflation calculator, oh boop, one hundred and sixty 528 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: five million dollars in nineteen twenty two, A. 529 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 3: Bee boop is drummer all look at this number. I 530 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 3: had a hard time even saying it out loud because 531 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 3: I was is that a trillion? Or I think it's 532 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 3: three billion, twenty two million, nine hundred and twenty seven thousand, 533 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 3: six hundred and seventy eight dollars and fifty seven cents. 534 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 3: You always got to wonder where the fifth cents comes from, 535 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 3: Like you think they just round it up or down 536 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 3: at that point, you know. 537 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: Good lord. But the thing is, this is like over time, 538 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: right and again, it's gonna pay for itself, I swear. 539 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 3: Plan. 540 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: So, yeah, you're right, that's that's a tall milkshake for sure. 541 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: And lawmakers were rightly concerned about this because really what 542 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: they're talking about is paying money today, a great deal 543 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: of money, for the promise of a recouped investment in 544 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: the future. So that might only pay you next week today, Yes, 545 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: just so. And so there are seven states in the 546 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: overall river drainage area. Six of them Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, 547 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: New Mexico, Arizona, and Nevada are worried, and they're saying 548 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: something that is still a problem today. They say, hey, guys, 549 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: we're top of the line politicians, so we know how 550 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: Macanese work. We're worried that most of the water here 551 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: is going to go to California, and that's a fight 552 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: that continues now in twenty twenty. 553 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 3: Literally called the Golden State, you know. I mean it 554 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 3: feels like the favorite you know child here. It's also 555 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 3: quite large and quite economically important, right yeah, it's massive. 556 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: It's almost a country unto itself in many ways. 557 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 3: So the understandable and as we know, you know, we 558 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 3: talked about this on stuff that I want you to 559 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 3: know a lot, and probably on this show as well, 560 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 3: the idea of water wars and the idea of water 561 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 3: being one of the most precious life giving resources that 562 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 3: there is relatively a finite amount of and that you 563 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 3: have to divert. And now we were already talked about 564 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 3: this at the beginning of the show. This is an 565 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 3: area that like is this stuff is in precious little supply, 566 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 3: so this is a big deal. They're like, how are 567 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 3: we gonna make this under the control of the man 568 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 3: and then still expect that our community are going to 569 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 3: be taken care of and trust that that's going to happen. 570 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: Yes, that is a perfect description, and so things kind 571 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: of get locked. Landline, he need some assurances assurances. So 572 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: fast forward. There's a guy who is famous in musicals 573 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: like Annie. He is at the time Secretary of Commerce. 574 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: His name Herbert Hoover. He is the deal maker. He's 575 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: the rain man for this. He's the Donald Trump, who 576 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: is actually pretty good at what he does. Yeah, he's 577 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: the rain maker. Excuse me, rain man, different movie. So 578 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: he goes to the he creates the Colorado River Compact, 579 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: and this divides the water proportionally among the seven states 580 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: with assurances for the future. Honestly, though, his solution is 581 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: somewhat of a long term band aid for everyone involved, 582 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: because whenever the states raise a problem, like the concern 583 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: about California mooching up all the water, he gets the 584 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: groups to agree that they're gonna consider themselves two big groups, 585 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: basically a group of states on one side of the dam, 586 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: a group of states on the other side of the dam. 587 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: And he says, look, guys, in the future, just sorted 588 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: out between your two groups, that'll be perfect. Uh, you know, 589 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: he's sort of like states rights stuff, right yeah, yeah, 590 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: And history would prove him woefully incorrect, if not purposely 591 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: a bit deceitful. So this legal this makes him a 592 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: little happier, a little closer to the finished line, but there's. 593 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 3: Still just like a heroic gulp of coffee. Yeah, I'm sorry, 594 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 3: I just had to call that. It was just like 595 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 3: a head back. 596 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: He knows what the gulp? 597 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I'm preparing to edit this one. 598 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 2: He knows what's yeah. 599 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: So thanks bro. So we haven't beat that much. We 600 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: beat once for a curse word that people stay in, 601 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: but I I stand by it. So. Uh, there's a 602 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: guy named President Calvin Coolidge. He is on the way out. 603 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: And as we know, when a president is on the 604 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: way out in the United States, they have they have 605 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: a weird redistribution of their powers. So if you're the 606 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: lame duck scenario, if you're a lame duck president, you 607 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: can lose a lot of your deal making ability in Congress, 608 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: but you gain a lot of agency because you don't 609 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: have to worry about re election. 610 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 3: You could again, you can make some big swings that 611 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 3: you maybe would not have otherwise made for fear of 612 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 3: political fallouts. 613 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pardon everybody, you know what I mean. Let 614 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: me green light every project, Pitch it to me, pitch it. 615 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: It's basically the that don't give a era of a 616 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: particular president. I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. 617 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I just have to say this real quick. Yes, 618 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 4: Calvin Coolidge was awesome. 619 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: Okay, people are wondering why Max has aired this opinion 620 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: versus what is it Woodrow Wilson. 621 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 4: Who is the worst? Yeah, yeah, he's the worst. 622 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: He's like Franklin Pierce bad. But yeah, but Calvin Coolidge, 623 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: you'll see why where we'll talk a little bit more 624 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: about him in the future spoiler slash foreshadowing. 625 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 4: So I actually like a Republican. It's weird. 626 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: So calvi us the thing as in true for sure. Well, 627 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: I agree with Eisenhower on several points, especially when he 628 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: was out an outgoing president. I like ike. 629 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, well a lot of people did, unless they were 630 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 2: on the wrong side of war with him. 631 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: But Calvin Coolidge, all right, so he's on the way out. 632 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: He is flipping the bird to all sorts of established things. 633 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: He is green lagging stuff left and right. It is 634 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: Coolidge who authorizes the Boulder Canyon Project in December nineteen 635 00:34:53,960 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: twenty eight. And so everybody's saying, okay, the Herbert Hoover 636 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 1: becoming president. No one knows that the Great Depression is 637 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: on the way, or we'll have the magnitude of possesses. 638 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: So Hoover still has a clean name at this point, 639 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: and the secretary of the Interior, Notorious Brown Knowser Ray L. Wilbert, says, hey, 640 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: because of what Hoover did when he was a secretary, 641 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,919 Speaker 1: let's name the structure the Hoover Dam. And he says 642 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: this at the dedication in nineteen thirty. He just floats 643 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 1: it as an idea or has this like been like 644 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: fully vetted at this one? That seems like a real 645 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: overstepping if not. 646 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 3: But I gotta say, I mean, maybe this is just 647 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 3: you know, history embedding itself in our consciousness. But like, 648 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 3: the Coolidge Dam doesn't nearly have the same ring to it. 649 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: It's weird too because it doesn't. It has the same 650 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 1: double O. Yeah, but the g is throwing it off. 651 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 1: That's what it is, the Coolidge Dam. It feels wrong 652 00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: Hoover Dam. The emphasis, the way the syllables play with 653 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: one another. Good branding, I would argue, I. 654 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 5: Mean, Coolige, you wouldn't want anything named after himself. That's 655 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 5: just how Coolidge was. 656 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 4: Coolidge was that cool. He was really cool and he 657 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 4: didn't want any attention paid to him. 658 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: Ever, his autobiography is like a haikup and a drawing. 659 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 3: Uh. 660 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 5: It is the shortest autobiography any president. Of course, it 661 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 5: is the shortest one. I have that fact in an upcoming. 662 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 3: Perfect You've got me intrigued, Maxleene to find out more 663 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 3: about this Coolidge fellow. Uh. 664 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:28,720 Speaker 4: I can't wait interesting. 665 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: I can't wait till we get to the you Lewis 666 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: joke hold the phone or damn it ding dong? 667 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 2: Uh. 668 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: This is uh, this is way more ridiculous than I 669 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: think we thought. And as you can hopefully tell ridiculous historians, 670 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: the three of us are over the moon, over the 671 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: hoover to be hanging out once again. 672 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:48,879 Speaker 2: So uh nol. 673 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 3: We talked off air, and this is going to be 674 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 3: a two part yes, a uh preemptive post emptive two parter. 675 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. We sort of had an inkling. 676 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 3: But but like I say, at the end of the show, 677 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 3: who knew that this, this damn would yield so much 678 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 3: interesting conversation? 679 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, sure we had some size. We 680 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: talked about some video games. There isn't that bad that 681 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 1: we're happy now? Yeah, you do want us to be happy. 682 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: We want you to be happy. Too. 683 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 3: Ridiculous the story, and so we're gonna give you this 684 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,720 Speaker 3: in some little kind of nuggety bite sized portions. 685 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 5: And to jump in here, I guess gotta get air 686 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,280 Speaker 5: out of beef right here. The biggest, the biggest teas 687 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 5: river in this country. It is the Columbia River. You 688 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 5: guys know, the Columbia River. 689 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: Beefing with the river. 690 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 5: Listen, listen to all right, I bet, I bet you 691 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 5: guys know. I love Portland. I actually did not go 692 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 5: to Portland this year. But Portland is the Columbia River, 693 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 5: and it goes out to the Pacific Ocean. It's like, 694 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 5: you know, even with the porter. So I'm driving from 695 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 5: Seattle to Spokane, Spokane with Spokane and I'm over driving 696 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 5: there this giant, beautiful river. 697 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 4: I'm like, what is that? And it's like, wait, that's 698 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 4: the Columbia River. Why is it here? 699 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 5: So it basically goes down at a forty five degree 700 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 5: from the north northwestern part of Washington down to basically 701 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:10,760 Speaker 5: the corner of the eastern corner of Washington and Oregon. 702 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 5: It says, psych and just go straight back out to 703 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 5: the ocean. It just does not want to hang out 704 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 5: with us in this country. It's like, nah, I'm good 705 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 5: because that's a very infamous one that not infamous, but 706 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 5: very famous one that the infamous duo of Lewis and 707 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 5: Clark took into the ocean. 708 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: So Max is angry at a river. That's one of 709 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,760 Speaker 1: our post Montana updates. 710 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 2: And we are. 711 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: We are, as you said, we are excited to return 712 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: to the Hoover Dam later this week. I believe we'll 713 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: make it a Hoover week in the meantime. Thank you 714 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: so much the super producer, mister Max River Hater Williams. 715 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,240 Speaker 1: Thank you as always to Jonathan Strickland aka the Columbia 716 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 1: River of Ridiculous History. Thanks to let's see who else, 717 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 1: Herbert Hoover, I guess. 718 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 3: Oh boy, that guy. And Calvin Coolich, the one cool cat, 719 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 3: one cool press. We like him, at least Max does. 720 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 3: I've been tempted to look deeper into it. And also, 721 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,760 Speaker 3: you know, die in a fire Woodrow. 722 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 2: Wilson, and thanks of course Alex Williams, who can. 723 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 3: You may have died in a fire. We don't know 724 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 3: how how he died. He probably died cozy in a bed. 725 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 2: He died, he died of the fire and his soul. 726 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: Thanks also to Alex Williams for the slap and bop 727 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: that we have loved for several years ago and now heaves. 728 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 1: Jeff go Christo rossi otis here in spirit, Gabelusier, our 729 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: research associates, is Jeff and doctor Z, all of the 730 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: ridiculous historians who make these shows possible, and Noel. Thanks 731 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 1: to you and to you as well, my friend. We'll 732 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 1: see you next time. Folks. 733 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,280 Speaker 3: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 734 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 3: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.