1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: So occasionally you would have a brief moment of time 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: where you could streen out your differences with a fellow inmate, 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: with the drill instructors turning away when it does happen, 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: just to let the steam out, the animosity out, the 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: anger out, and was settled. Every turn the showers. Nobody's 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: seen it, nobody knows about it. So there's one inmate 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: having an issue with another inmate, the drill instructor could 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: see the tension, would send them in there to clean 9 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: the showers. Fifteen minutes later, one of the inmates walked 10 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: out missing a tooth. Both inmates that he fell in 11 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: the shower, and the drill instructor goes great answer. 12 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: From iHeartRadio and doghouse pictures. This is shock incarceration. I'm 13 00:00:53,760 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: Jeff Keating. Since Mark received his green hat, expectations increased 14 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: and the pressure of staying high and tight loomed over 15 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 2: the entire platoon. 16 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 3: The expectation and I used the analogy of high school, right, 17 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 3: so your brown was your freshman hat, and the green 18 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 3: was sophomore year, the red wish junior year. 19 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 4: And then the goldest senior year for graduation. 20 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 5: But the expectations of the d's was that you were 21 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 5: gonna be high and tight, you were going to be 22 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 5: on point, you were gonna just do better every day, 23 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 5: even though it was the same thing every day. You 24 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 5: were going to find out ways to become more efficient. 25 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 5: You're going to find out ways to become more of 26 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 5: a team player. You were going to find out ways 27 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 5: to understand why you're here and what you need to 28 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 5: do to just be in a better place once you 29 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 5: get outside of here and ultimately take on the world 30 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 5: and take on a full time job. So that thought 31 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 5: process was indebted in your brain, and every day they 32 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 5: quite honestly just. 33 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 6: Beat it into you. 34 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: Drill Instructor Stack explains the relationship between the ds and 35 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: the inmates. 36 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 7: Your drill instructor should not be approachable. If he's approachable 37 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 7: to you. 38 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 8: He's probably not doing each job that could. 39 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 7: Like I said, it's almost like acting. It really is, 40 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 7: and it's not personal to us. There's a point behind everything. 41 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 7: We're not doing it. 42 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 8: To be jerks. 43 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 7: We're doing it because this is the program. So there's 44 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 7: going to be downs and then you have to bring 45 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 7: them back up. 46 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: Throughout the Shock incarceration program. Letters to and from home 47 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: were a great way for Mark or indianmate to communicate 48 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: with family and friends. It was also a way to 49 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 2: get news about what else was going on in the 50 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: world outside the prison. 51 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 5: In Shock, mail time was about eight point fifty at 52 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 5: night we were getting ready for lights out. 53 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 4: Drill Instructor composed he would always do mail call. 54 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 5: It's all right, mail call, Lombardo, sure, yes, sir, and 55 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 5: then you'd run up, you'd go over, you'd get the letter, 56 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 5: do about face all military kind of steps back to 57 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 5: your locker, and I mean, you couldn't wait to look 58 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 5: down and see who was you know, was it from 59 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 5: my mom? Was it from my buddy in California? You 60 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 5: know who was it from? You had to wait until 61 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 5: all the mail was passed out. You're chopping at the bit. 62 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 5: You want to see what's going on? Two seconds later 63 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 5: Lombarro sir, Yes, sir, come up here. What I'm getting 64 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 5: at is I received a lot of mail to the 65 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 5: point where they called me mailman. And drill Instructor Caposi 66 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,839 Speaker 5: every night that he did mail call, he would call 67 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 5: me up to the desk to stand there before he 68 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 5: did mail call, because he didn't want to wait for 69 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 5: me to come back and forth back and forth, back 70 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 5: and forth six times. I can't even tell I've received 71 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 5: hundreds and hundreds of letters. 72 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 4: We were allowed to write with pens. 73 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 5: It's just the ink insert nothing else because the hard 74 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 5: plastic coating of a pen could be used as a weapon. 75 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 5: I have the worst handwriting in the world to begin with. 76 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 5: Now you give me that thing and try and maneuver. 77 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 5: That's another reason I didn't write that long either. My 78 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 5: mom would kind of give me an update of just 79 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 5: family members in general. But every single letter I received 80 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 5: was motivation, every single one. I remember get a letter 81 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 5: that James Gamdelfini died. Wow, my god, James Gamblfini died, 82 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 5: current events, whatever the case was going. 83 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 4: On in the world. That's how I got up to 84 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 4: speed on everything. 85 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: Mark's mom, Linda, kept all the letters he wrote home. 86 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: While in shock incarceration. 87 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 9: One guy on my platoon got smacked up and down 88 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 9: and then again. I was truly scared at the moment 89 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 9: as I thought something bad was going to happen. The 90 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 9: inmate just took it like a man and didn't say 91 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 9: or do anything negative. Out of everyone in the dorm, 92 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 9: I had the best looking bed aka rack. If anyone 93 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 9: wants to see what a rack should look like. Come 94 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 9: see Lombardo's in forty two bottom. Small compliment, but it 95 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 9: felt great. I'm taking pride in what I do here. 96 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 4: People in the. 97 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 9: Beds next to me and in the immediate areas always 98 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 9: ask me questions. A couple of guys have honestly said, 99 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 9: I'm following your lead, Lombardo, you always know what's going on. 100 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 4: Feels good. 101 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 9: It makes me feel positive. Not a day goes but 102 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 9: I don't think of you all and wish you all 103 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 9: the best. I miss you all and love you all 104 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 9: very much. 105 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,239 Speaker 2: The letters and encouraging words from his family and friends 106 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: lifted Mark spirits, but after a long day of physical 107 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: training and work detail, he still went to bed exhausted. 108 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 2: Here's drill instructor Paul Stack. 109 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 7: Keep in mind, these guys are sore as can be. 110 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 7: We putting them in bed at nine thirty at night. 111 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 7: They're getting from nine thirty to five point thirty in 112 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 7: the morning to sleep, which seems like a reasonable amount 113 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 7: of time. But now when your day physically and mentally 114 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 7: is extremely draining, well, we wake them up with a 115 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 7: fox forty whistle, the plastic referee whistles. 116 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 8: They're extremely loud. 117 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 7: I've probably got hearing issues because of doing it for 118 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 7: so long. As soon as I get them up, I'm 119 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 7: doing what was called a side straddle hop. So can 120 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 7: you imagine being woken up out of bad and the 121 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 7: only thing you can do is jump up as fast 122 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 7: as you can and then somebody's going to. 123 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 8: Tell you to start doing exercises. So from there we'll 124 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 8: do a count. 125 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 7: And when they do the count, they have to be 126 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 7: at the position of attention. They head and eyes have 127 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 7: to be straightforward, and they'll turn their head to the 128 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 7: side as I walk past them, and I'll either have 129 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 7: them do their account by their name as I'm counting them, 130 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 7: or I'll actually have them count as i'm counting them. 131 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 8: So I'll come by and they'll go sir, one, sir. 132 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 7: And by the way, everything that comes out of their mouth, 133 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 7: whether it's a female or a male instructor, it's going 134 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 7: to be mam or sir before and after everything they say. 135 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: Sometimes the drill instructors would switch things up without notice 136 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: to throw the platoon off balance. 137 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 5: Every morning, how you do the count, sir? One, sir, 138 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 5: sir two, s three sir. They would move us around 139 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 5: every couple of weeks into a different bed, so would 140 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 5: screw your head up with your number. And there was 141 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 5: one morning, I want to say it was the end 142 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 5: of April, and he had just gotten some snow and 143 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 5: we started doing the count at five point thirty in 144 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 5: the morning, and it was like number fifteen or number 145 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 5: sixteen said the wrong number. 146 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 4: He said, let's start again, sir. 147 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 5: Two sir got to that same fucking guy and he 148 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 5: said the wrong number again, and he made us all 149 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 5: go outside in our boxers, nothing else on, line up 150 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 5: outside in the snow and do it outside. And then 151 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 5: as he's going down, there was one guy that put 152 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 5: his fucking boots on. I couldn't believe this guy had 153 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 5: the audacity to put his boots on before we went outside. 154 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 4: So we were all standing. 155 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 5: There, barefoot and just boxers in snow doing this count, 156 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 5: and he realized that a guy had his goddamn boots on, 157 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 5: so he stopped the count and he made us everybody 158 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 5: that was in barefoot do probably fifty or one hundred 159 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 5: jumping jacks and then thirty to fifty pushups while the 160 00:08:58,240 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 5: guy in the boots just stood there. 161 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 4: And watched us. 162 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 5: Again, just another example of how you have to pay 163 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 5: for other people's punishments. Pitch yourself doing one hundred jumping 164 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 5: jacks in the snow barefoot and thirty forty or fifty 165 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 5: push ups at five thirty in the morning after you've 166 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 5: been awake for maybe three minutes. 167 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 4: Not a good way to start your fucking day. 168 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 2: And all day, every day, the inmates were being watched 169 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: by the drill instructors to see if they could follow 170 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: orders and maintain discipline. Here's drill instructor Clark. 171 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 10: And everything they did was evaluated. 172 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 4: So at the end of the day they. 173 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 10: Got a report card that every drill instructor had to 174 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 10: fill out, and that's what kept them in the program 175 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 10: or kicked them out of the program. So if they 176 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 10: talked talking to the mess off, that was what we 177 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 10: called it hit, and they'd read it under evaluations. That's 178 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 10: really how we maintained the discipline in the program, really, 179 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 10: which through the evaluation and the power of the pen. 180 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:59,359 Speaker 2: The evaluations were an important part of the shock incarceration program, 181 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 2: not only for the inmates individually, but for the squad 182 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: and platoon leaders. Mark was surprised to hear his name 183 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 2: called out by one of the drill instructors. 184 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 4: Maybe it was because I was the oldest. 185 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 5: Maybe it was because I, quite honestly, I kept my 186 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 5: rack very clean. My corners were nice and tight, and 187 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 5: these are the things that the drill instructors when we're 188 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 5: out at work, they're walking around our dorm when nobody's 189 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 5: in there. They're looking for detail. So he called four people, 190 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 5: and I happen to be one of them. Drill instructor Eggleston. 191 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 5: He said, Lombardo, you're going to be the squad leader, 192 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 5: but I'm going to monitor you, and you have to 193 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 5: help your teammates out. You're responsible for everybody in your squad. 194 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 5: They fuck up, that's on you. So every week you 195 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 5: would get an evaluation on how you didn't work, on 196 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 5: how you did on cleanliness, how you did in the dorm. 197 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 5: And I was responsible for the fourteen people in my section, 198 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 5: and based on the ranking or the better score of 199 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 5: your evals of your entire team, determined who got a 200 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 5: shower first. 201 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 4: And that was big. 202 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 5: So the people in shower first, you come back out, 203 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 5: you only have the same amount of time to shower 204 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 5: three minutes, okay, But when you come back you have 205 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 5: a little bit more time to get dressed because the 206 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 5: other people still have to go in and shower. So 207 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 5: you wanted to fight every week to have the highest 208 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 5: evaluation in your dorm out of the four groups. And 209 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 5: that really gave you about another fifteen minutes to maybe 210 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 5: write a letter to polish your shoes. Take a look 211 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 5: at my locker. 212 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 7: As a drill instructor, who have to always keep that 213 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 7: in mind. As these guys are broken, they come to 214 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 7: us broken. You can't expect them to do everything. 215 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 8: Perfect as soon as they get there. It's just not practical. 216 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 7: So in the beginning you're writing everything down. Going from 217 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 7: one color cap. 218 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 8: To the next is about progress. 219 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 7: And their achievements and things that they have achieved in between. 220 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 7: In the beginning, there's always something to write on their evaluation. 221 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 8: Everybody's going to do something wrong. 222 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 7: They don't like seeing that because these evaluations can catch 223 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 7: up to. 224 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: Them, because bad evaluations could get you recycled or thrown 225 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 2: out of the program, so could fighting, stealing, and several 226 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: other disciplinary actions. Mark saw his fellow platoon members getting 227 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 2: tossed out week after week, and he knew that any 228 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: day he could be next. Mark and his platoon moved 229 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 2: closer to getting their red hats as they endured physical training, 230 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: work detail, drug and alcohol classes, and confrontations every single day. 231 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 2: Mark was desperate to finish shot incarceration and not be recycled, 232 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 2: and one incident tested his resolve. 233 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 5: When I was at work with drilling truck to Clark, 234 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 5: there was a big old dirt pile that needed to 235 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 5: be removed. So we were shoveling it and putting it 236 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 5: into a back of one of those DPW type kind 237 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 5: of trucks. And we were really hustle, I mean shoveling quickly. 238 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 5: And I still feel bad to this day. So I 239 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 5: went in, grabbed the shovel, turned around and went to 240 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 5: throw it, and I broke a guy's arm. I broke 241 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 5: his arm with the shovel. The poor bastard. Now I'm paranoid, 242 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 5: I'm am I fucked. What's going on? Like, what's gonna this? 243 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 5: He dropped, He dropped, He was in pain. I think 244 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 5: he was in a lot of shock too, you know 245 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 5: sometimes you get in so much pain in shock. But 246 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 5: I literally snapped his arm. I was nervous. I was 247 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 5: waiting for answers, and we were in the drug and 248 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 5: alcohol rehabilitation with missus Rose. A day or later and 249 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 5: drill instructor Clark and Stack walked in and they said, 250 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 5: excuse me, counsel the Rose, we need to speak to 251 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 5: Lombardo please, And my heart dropped. 252 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 4: Holy fuck, what's going on? 253 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 5: So, sir, yes, sir, follow us a big gulp, you know. 254 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 4: I go out into the hallway. 255 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 5: They're standing there, and drill instructor Clark broke my balls. 256 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 5: He said, you know what you did to him? 257 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 4: Right? 258 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 5: I said, sir, Sir, it was a complete accident, Sir. 259 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 5: I believe you saw it, sir. He said, you broke 260 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 5: his arm. I said, sir, I feel so bad. 261 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 4: Sir. You know, is he going to be able to 262 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 4: finish the program? Sir? 263 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 5: Yes, he's going to be able to finish it. I said, 264 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 5: am I And he stopped and he looked at me. 265 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 5: He said, yeah, you are. 266 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 4: And I said, Sir, am I in trouble? Sir? He says, 267 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 4: not at all. We know it was an accident. I 268 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 4: was right there. I just wanted to let you know. 269 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 5: I know you were worried about this, and I mean, 270 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 5: you want to talk about oh my god, relief. Wow, 271 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 5: But that was an embarrassing moment for me. You know 272 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 5: that I actually broke this guy's arm and I could 273 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 5: have ruined his opportunity of getting out, and. 274 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: My own ed had to run in with another inmate 275 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: that scared the hell out of him as well. 276 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: Myself and this individual. We got into it on a run. 277 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: I was always in front of him and he would 278 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: run and always step on the back of my sneakers. 279 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: So I told him to back off, and he did, 280 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: and he did it again, so of course I stopped 281 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: and we got into it. We threw a few punches 282 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: and drill instructor stopped us and we continue running. The 283 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: following day we had to go see a disciplinary officer. 284 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: Just sitting there. He questions what happens. Then he comes 285 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: out with a recommendation. And his recommendation was, you two 286 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: have to learn how to live together, so carry a 287 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: log with you. For it was like a week or 288 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: two weeks, so no matter where he went or I went, 289 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: we had to carry a log together. And this wasn't 290 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: like a branch, was a log. So on our runs 291 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: we had to carry a lock on pt going to 292 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: the mess hall, we had to carry a lock. But 293 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: walking into that disciplinary actions, everyone has seen people leave 294 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: in handcuffs and you get sent out to Elmira, get 295 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: sent wherever or be sent back weird lucky enough that 296 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: well they shouldn't say lucky. We're carrying probably a two 297 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: hundred pounds log all day. 298 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 8: Was not fun. 299 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 2: Shock incarceration was physically and emotionally draining on all of 300 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: the inmates, and they needed a safe space to share 301 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: their feelings and let some steam off without being disciplined. 302 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 2: Counselor Rose helped them express themselves. 303 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 5: It was relationships, it was families, it was feelings just overall. 304 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 5: You might sit in a class and just go around 305 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 5: the room for an hour and everybody would have three 306 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 5: minutes to talk about how they're feeling this week, or 307 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 5: did you get any letters this week that maybe you 308 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 5: got some negative or positive news from. 309 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 4: Home and you would share it with the group and 310 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 4: you would. 311 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 5: Just get your feelings out, or whether it was a 312 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 5: great week because you felt good about yourself and you 313 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 5: did peaky without hurting yourself, or you got through another 314 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 5: safe week of not getting in trouble. 315 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: Mark vividly remembers the day he received his red hat 316 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 2: and how he felt knowing only the gold hat was left. 317 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 5: And I remember specifically because now you're full two months 318 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 5: in on the green. So you're into the early spring 319 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 5: when the red hat was coming. And I do recall 320 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 5: very very vividly, it was a pretty warm weekend, and 321 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 5: you know the little yellow. 322 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 6: Dandelions that you see in the grass. 323 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 5: Each dorm probably had a maybe a thirty by forty 324 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 5: grass field in front of it, and I could picture 325 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 5: myself even seeing the whole scene. But you would go 326 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 5: outside and you would see four, five, six, seven, eight 327 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 5: hundred thousand, what do I know, the thousands of them? 328 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 5: And one Saturday, he says, all right, let's go, and 329 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 5: he grabbed a bunch of garbage bags. 330 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 6: And we went outside and he says, you see the. 331 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 5: Yellow dandelions all over the prison. We're gonna pick them 332 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 5: today as a family. And I remember everybody's hands were yellow, 333 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 5: and my platoon picked every single dandelion that was in 334 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 5: the grass in the entire prison. Then it was thousands 335 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 5: of them, thousands of them into the garbage bags. We 336 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 5: came back and there was a huge log pile. Okay, 337 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 5: take this log pile and we're gonna put her over here. 338 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 5: Then take that rock pile and then we're gonna put 339 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 5: her over here. And it doesn't sound that hard but 340 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 5: it really is. It's a lot of manual labor, back 341 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 5: and forth. He probably worked us for about four and 342 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 5: a half five hours outside sweat and then you're not 343 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 5: in shorts, you're in your pants, you're in your work boots, 344 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 5: so you're sweating. 345 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 4: And then when we went in to. 346 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 6: Our dorm, we broke down for showers. 347 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 5: We went and ate, we came back, we did the 348 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 5: normal a sat we came back. And the one thing 349 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 5: that I do remember is it was a Sunday night. 350 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 5: Because everything happens at church. The priest would call people out. 351 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 5: If he saw people talking in the back of the room, 352 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 5: he'd call him up. He'd have him come up front. 353 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 5: He said, hold on, we're going to interrupt this service 354 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 5: right now. Those two gentlemen at back, please come up. 355 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 5: They'd come up, he says, give me fifty push ups, 356 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 5: fifty sit ups before I go on, and they would 357 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 5: do it. So if there was a lot of commotion 358 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 5: going on, every drill instructor would know about it. So 359 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 5: by the time you got back to your dorm, they 360 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 5: might have you do something. And in this case, drill 361 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 5: instructor composed he said, heard there was a lot of 362 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 5: church tonight. And again it better not have been of 363 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 5: anybody from this platoon, but maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. 364 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 6: So you know what, everybody's going to pay for it. 365 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 5: So he says, everybody, get up, get into a white 366 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 5: T shirt, white boxers, and your work boots. And we 367 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 5: were like, you gotta be fucking kidneyed because you had 368 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 5: us doing all this bullshit all weekend with the dandelions 369 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 5: and the rock pile and this, and that you really 370 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 5: wanted to go to bed because you were going to 371 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 5: get up Monday morning, do your normal pte, go to work. 372 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 5: And he says to us, take your pillows, put them 373 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 5: on the locker. So everybody did that, and then he said, 374 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 5: I want you to start rolling up your mattress from 375 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 5: your pillows side and start. 376 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 4: Rolling it up. 377 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 5: And these mattresses, just to pink the pitcher. It's not 378 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 5: a six seven eight inch mattress fall mattress. These are 379 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 5: something you put in a lounge chair outside in your backyard, 380 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 5: so they're very easy to roll up thirty inches wide. 381 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 5: So we're rolling it up with the blanket and the 382 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 5: sheet because it's very easy and very small. He says, 383 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 5: we're going to go outside and run because you guys 384 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 5: want to fuck around and disrespect the church and the priests. 385 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 6: And we were just like, you gotta be fucking kidd me. 386 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 5: But then as we rolled it up, the red hat 387 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 5: was on the bottom, and it was like the emotions right, 388 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,719 Speaker 5: because you're saying to yourself, I can't believe I'm going 389 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 5: to have to go outside right now and run around 390 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 5: at nine talk with my mattress on my head. And 391 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 5: as you're rolling it again, I saw it and you 392 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 5: almost look around right You're like, shit, did they see it? 393 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 6: You had? Did anybody else see it? 394 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,479 Speaker 5: And then everybody's seeing it, and we're looking around at 395 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 5: each other and it's putting a smile on your face instantly, 396 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 5: and then Jeryl and Shrektor composed. He says, I think 397 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 5: by now everybody sees what was under there. He said, 398 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 5: put it on your head, make your racks, and go 399 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 5: to bed. Sleep with the hat on your red hat. 400 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 5: I felt like a kid in a candy store. I 401 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 5: felt like Christmas morning, I really did. I fell asleep 402 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 5: probably with a smile on my face, and so. 403 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 11: Did just about everybody I would have to imagine in 404 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 11: that room, because again, now you knew you were at 405 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 11: the next stage, and again you're closer to home, You're 406 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 11: closer to the gold hat. 407 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,959 Speaker 6: And I'll tell you what, it was a great feeling. 408 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 4: It was a better. 409 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 5: Feeling than getting the green and made you want to 410 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 5: strive to get the gold. 411 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 2: Now Mark could see the light at the end of 412 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 2: the tunnel of the shock incarceration program now that he 413 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: had received his red hat, with only the gold to go. 414 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 2: But Ed had a different feeling once he received his 415 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: red hat. 416 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: What happened was the second day that I got my 417 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 1: red cap, a drill instructor pulled me right out over 418 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: to the side and asked me, what's the seventh general Order? 419 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: And I froze and I couldn't think of it. I 420 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: drew a blank. So he flipped off my red hat 421 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: and said, this is why he should be a shipbird. 422 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: He ran over and took a brown cap off someone 423 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: else stuck it on my head. And then I realized 424 00:22:54,960 --> 00:23:00,120 Speaker 1: I'm a target. Now I really need to know every 425 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: thing because they will pull you out, they will test you. 426 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, I felt pressure. This 427 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: just got real. There's added expectations of you finishing. And 428 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: then that fear really kicked in where I was just 429 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: trying to stay off the radar as much as possible. 430 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: One of Mark's recurring fears was missing important family celebrations 431 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: or the thought of someone close to him passing away 432 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: while he was inside shock. This became amplified when he 433 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 2: heard a story from another inmate during counseling. 434 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 5: A lot of the guys talked about it was my 435 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 5: baby daughter's birthday and I couldn't be there. 436 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 6: There was multiple people who lost family. 437 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 12: Members while they were in there, and some got passes 438 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 12: to go to the funeral service. I remember this one 439 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 12: guy gave his father passed away and he was completely upset, 440 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 12: and they actually allowed him to do it. So they 441 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 12: took him out in his greens in the New York 442 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 12: State in shackles. They drove him on a bus to 443 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 12: the funeral home. They walked him in there, they didn't 444 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 12: even unshackle him, and he was able to pay his 445 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 12: respects to his father, see his family members, and then 446 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 12: put him back on a bus and brought him back 447 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,479 Speaker 12: all within like an eight hour time period. And I 448 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 12: remember actually asking him if you have a little closure, 449 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 12: and he's like, it sucked. I mean, if you think 450 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 12: about it, you can't even hug a family member, and 451 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 12: you're going through one of the worst times of your 452 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 12: life where your father passed away and you're standing next 453 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 12: to on the casket and. 454 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 6: You're in a New York state prison outfit in handcuffs. 455 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 2: And Mark started to think that even if he graduated, 456 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 2: what was his life going to be on the outside. 457 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 2: How would he be perceived by his family, his friends, 458 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 2: and the average citizen, knowing that he'd be an ex 459 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 2: con and Ed received some terrible news that even if 460 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 2: he made it through the program, he might not be 461 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 2: eligible for parole. 462 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: So when you're going through, you hear from the counselors, 463 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: you hear from your drill instructors, and they'll tell you 464 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: only about three out of ten people at dwi's are 465 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: going to get paroled or get to go home. Half 466 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: of our platoon or close to half, was all just dwi's. 467 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: So you're thinking, well, shit, that means only three of 468 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: us are going to get paroleed. The rest of us 469 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: are going to go wherever. So that's a first thought, 470 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: is you're doing all this for what. 471 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 2: Mark had several more weeks to successfully complete shock incarceration, 472 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: but the PT in Marching didn't let off one bit. 473 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 2: Neither did the work detail. However, drill Instructor Clark seemed 474 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 2: to recognize something in Mark, and that lifted his spirits. 475 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 10: So if I put somebody on something large, like a tractor, 476 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 10: they could really start getting away from me. 477 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 4: Well that's the job Mark up. 478 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 10: And I just remember the stories him talking so much 479 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 10: about his family. His mother is cooking. So I didn't 480 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 10: know him as Mark. I know him his inmate Lombardo, 481 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 10: and he stuck out to me because you're looking at 482 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 10: him like, you know, this kid's got potential. Why are 483 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 10: you wasting your life in jail? 484 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 5: Drilli Structor Clark kind of maybe sounds cliche, but he 485 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 5: was like a father figure up there to me. I 486 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 5: looked up to him, I really did. He was a 487 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 5: very sharp dressed even though in a correctional officer, but 488 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 5: his outfits or uniform fit the best. His creases were 489 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 5: the best, his boots were the shiniest. The man was 490 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 5: in the United States Army. He's a lieutenant colonel. This 491 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 5: guy knows stuff. He's been places I was interested in 492 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 5: just learning about him. Could be extremely strict. I think 493 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 5: that Army military can come out of him in a heartpeat. 494 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 5: He was actually a funny guy. He would pick on 495 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 5: a lot of the inmates. He would pick on a 496 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 5: lot of the other correctional officers, and that to us 497 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 5: was funny good man, and I really enjoyed working with them. 498 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 10: I put over two thousand some inmates through the program. 499 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 10: I did some math the other day. You know, if 500 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 10: I'm doing fifty four at least plus recycles per a 501 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 10: tune that I had, but yet Mark stuck out. When 502 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 10: you remember one like Mark, you remember them because it's 503 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 10: the kid that comes out and you're like, what the 504 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 10: heck are you doing here? 505 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 4: You know better? 506 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 2: And Mark could have known better through his good family relationships, 507 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 2: but the party life led him to prison and shock incarceration, 508 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 2: and there were a few more hurdles to make it 509 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 2: through to graduation, and an inmate could be expelled for 510 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 2: the slightest of infractions. 511 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 10: We have very few problems because it's very disciplined and 512 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 10: we're making sure they do the exercise. There's two drill 513 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 10: in structures on an elevated deck doing it with them. 514 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 10: So everything we do that they have to do, and 515 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 10: then we culminate it with a run. And I like 516 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 10: the run I'm not gonna lie, but we try to 517 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 10: get two miles a morning and before even going to work, 518 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 10: so it's pretty intense, and you start out slow that 519 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 10: you have to build him for it. But by the 520 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 10: end these guys are marathon and it's just phenomenal when 521 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 10: you run every day for six months. I mean there 522 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 10: were no days off from PT go left, got goff 523 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 10: left left left. 524 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 6: Me and Superman got in a fight. 525 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 4: Me and Superman got in. 526 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 6: I had him with the left, I hit him with 527 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 6: the right. 528 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 4: I hit him with the left, him with the right. 529 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: I said. 530 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 8: Me and Superman got in a fight. 531 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 4: I said, Superman got I had. 532 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 10: Him in the head with subcrypted knight head. 533 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 6: I had him so hard I broke his brain. 534 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 4: I hit him so hard I broke his brain. 535 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 10: And now I'm Dad in Lois Lane. 536 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 5: Now it's stamina for sure, and cadence and singing and 537 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 5: jogging information and staying up with your peers and looking professional. 538 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 5: Quite honestly, you want to look like a professional sports team, 539 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 5: like I'm military, walking through and jogging. 540 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 6: It's pretty core. 541 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 10: I mean, you Mike platoons would pride themselves on being 542 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 10: in shape and discipline. They might get to sleep a 543 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 10: half hour later, so they get up at five thirty 544 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 10: on weekends six holidays. But there is no such thing 545 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 10: as no PT today, so these kids were in great 546 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 10: shape at the end. 547 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 5: The Captain's Run was the ultimate success to finish out 548 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 5: the two months of the Red Hats or Phase two. 549 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 5: The ten mile run, the biggest run that I've ever 550 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 5: had to do there and we represented the Gold Hats 551 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 5: when we got back to the dorm under the pillar. 552 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 4: Yeah it was extradition. 553 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: Yes, that was an accomplishment. We came back from PT 554 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: once and there was a gold cap the di left, 555 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: so we're all cheering. We were really happy we got 556 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:47,479 Speaker 1: gold cabs. 557 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 2: Both Mark and Ed's platoons made it to the final 558 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 2: two months of their programs, the Gold Hat. 559 00:29:54,480 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: Phase, and you're out on a campus. Other inmates would 560 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: be like, hey, how is it being a gold cap? 561 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: What should I be looking for? And you had to 562 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: tell them the truth, like, yeah, it sucks, dude, it's tough. 563 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: They don't tell you how tough it is. Sore having 564 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: a gold cap with an accomplishment, it also met the 565 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: end is near. We have a graduation day, so we 566 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: had fifty days left. 567 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 6: With a gold cap. 568 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: So it was scary because you're walking around fifty days 569 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: with this being gold cap. It was rough, but it's 570 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: also like you could feel proud I made it this 571 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: far and all the crazy stuff of inmates having them 572 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: to hug each other and sing in the Barney song 573 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: carrying logs. 574 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 13: You made it through that. So it was a big 575 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 13: accomplishment when we wore that gold had they wore probably, 576 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 13: and they know they earned it. But they get a 577 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 13: little cocky too when they finally make it to that point. 578 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 13: They start out not understanding fighting, rebelling. By the end 579 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 13: they wanted and that's what we're teaching them. It's a 580 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 13: better way to live. There's no shortcuts in Shock was 581 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 13: one of our models. It was something you wrote in 582 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 13: your letter. It's like that was the one thing you 583 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 13: couldn't wait to write a letter about. Hey, I got 584 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:12,959 Speaker 13: my gold hat today. 585 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 5: Now everything close? Does that sound? But it was amazing. 586 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 5: It was an amazing feeling, and I knew two months 587 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 5: I was out of there. Two months that's all I 588 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 5: had left. Holy shit, this journey is coming to an end. 589 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 2: That is until Mark Hurd that some inmates from the 590 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 2: past have been recycled out of the program on graduation 591 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 2: day and had to start it all over again. 592 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 14: Shock Incarceration is a joint production from iHeartRadio and Doghouse Pictures, 593 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 14: produced and hosted by Jeff Keating. Executive producers are Mark Lombardo, 594 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 14: Tommy James, Noel Brown, and Jeff Keaty. Written by Jim Roberts, 595 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 14: Tommy James, Chris Regazzo and Jeff Keating. Story edit by 596 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 14: Jim Roberts, Edit mix and sound design by Lane Krauss. 597 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 4: From Herd's Creek Productions. 598 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 14: Music composed by Diamond Street Productions, accompanied by Kyler Greenwell, 599 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 14: Danny Wattanas, Sean Thompson and Spencer Garne. Special thanks to 600 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 14: Trinity Investigative Group and Mark Lombardo's family and friends who 601 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 14: contributed to the podcast.