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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get out to a conversation now with

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Speaker 2: former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo on the state of

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Speaker 2: New York City's mayoral race, and he is speaking to

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Speaker 2: Bloomberg's David.

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Speaker 3: Gera him up twenty five points to you. Of course,

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Speaker 3: it's a four candidate race. How do you see the

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Speaker 3: path forward here given the polling and sort of where

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Speaker 3: things stand. I should note that the polling hasn't changed

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Speaker 3: a tremendous amount in recent weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it will change dramatically. What you see in the

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Speaker 1: polls is, Mam Damie is always about forty percent. That

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Speaker 1: leaves sixty percent. As you accurately pointed out, you have

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Speaker 1: a multi candidate field, so four people or three people

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Speaker 1: who are breaking up that sixty percent. I don't think

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Speaker 1: you're going to wind up ultimately with that larger field.

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Speaker 1: I think the field is going to collapse. I think

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Speaker 1: it's going to come down to me versus mister Maumbani.

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Speaker 1: And as I said, Mam Donnie has forty percent. His

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Speaker 1: very radical ideas which are exciting to one group of

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Speaker 1: the population, especially young people, but are polarizing to many

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Speaker 1: other people. Uh, And I think it's going to come

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Speaker 1: down to a one on one and then it is

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Speaker 1: a totally different race.

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Speaker 3: Curtisily with the Republican candidate says he's not dropping out.

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Speaker 3: The incumbent mayor Eric Adam says he's not dropping out.

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Speaker 3: We've passed the ballot deadline. If we were to have

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Speaker 3: a race where it's you against Ormundani, poles still show

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Speaker 3: him leading you by a substantial amount. What do you

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Speaker 3: see in the electorate that the data aren't shown when

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Speaker 3: it comes to that particular configuration.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Poles are historically wrong, especially this year, especially

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Speaker 1: in New York. On your first point, you can stay

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Speaker 1: in the race. First of all, technically nobody can get

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Speaker 1: off the ballot, right. The question is are you viable

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Speaker 1: in the race, And you can a people who are

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Speaker 1: in the race, but the voters just think they're not

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Speaker 1: really competitive, they can't win. I'm not going to waste

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Speaker 1: my vote, and I think that's what happens here. I

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Speaker 1: think it comes down to me and Mamdani. I think

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Speaker 1: when people understand what Mamdani stands for, besides what he

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Speaker 1: has said on TikTok, you know he's anti police, this

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Speaker 1: band the police, legalized prostitution, legalize the drug trade, abolish jails.

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Speaker 1: You know, this would be anarchy in New York. Socialism

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Speaker 1: does not work in New York City. It's antithetical. We're

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Speaker 1: the business capital, right, We're pro business. Business is the

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Speaker 1: engine that drives the train. So none of that has

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Speaker 1: been communicated yet, and when it does, I can tell

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Speaker 1: you the minds will change.

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Speaker 3: Is there an effort by you and your campaign to

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Speaker 3: try to convince Eric Adams curritously would have dropped out

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Speaker 3: of this race, or their conversations that are happening behind

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Speaker 3: the scenes to make what I imagine you see as

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Speaker 3: a compelling case for them to step aside, to make

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Speaker 3: this more of a one on one race.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm sure they're making their own decisions. I've been

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Speaker 1: in elections that where I have dropped out because I

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Speaker 1: thought it was the right thing to do. They have

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Speaker 1: a decision to make. There is no apparent path to

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Speaker 1: victory for them. They in essence would act as a spoiler,

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Speaker 1: and that's a decision they have to make. They have

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Speaker 1: to make it personally, and that's their business. But again,

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to come down to a two

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Speaker 1: person race no matter what, because that's what the polls

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Speaker 1: are going to say, and that is the choice. I

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Speaker 1: am a Democrat. My father was a Democrat. I worked

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Speaker 1: for Bill Clinton. Zoran is a socialist for the Democratic Socialists. Right,

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Speaker 1: didn't support Democrats. Barack Obama was a liar and evil

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Speaker 1: and didn't support Kamala Harris against Trump. Right, So this

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Speaker 1: is a very different This is apples and oranges between

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Speaker 1: the two of us.

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Speaker 3: I want to ask you about some comments that Curtis

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Speaker 3: Sliva made yesterday. I'm sure you heard them. He was

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Speaker 3: campaigning and suggested that your affiliates of your campaign had

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Speaker 3: reached out to him and offered him money to the

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Speaker 3: tune of ten million dollars to drop out of this race.

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Speaker 3: And I'm going to quote from what he said during

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Speaker 3: that campaign event. He called these classic Andrew Cuomo tactics.

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Speaker 3: Why don't you strap up Cuomo to a lie detection

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Speaker 3: machine and ask him and we'll all be blown to

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Speaker 3: Kingdom come because.

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Speaker 1: He's behind it.

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Speaker 3: I don't have a polygraphic machine with me here, But

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Speaker 3: how do you respond to what he's alleging in those comments?

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Speaker 1: Look, you can't. You have to take Sliva with a

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Speaker 1: grain of salt. Right. He is a known con man.

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Speaker 1: He's lied about being victims of crime before. But it's

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Speaker 1: very simple, David. When he said that someone should have

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Speaker 1: said who, who or fored you the money? Let him

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Speaker 1: answer the question, because it would happen to be a crime, right,

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Speaker 1: who or forered you money? He never said who wh

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Speaker 1: sort of tells you right that it's all malarkey. There

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Speaker 1: was no person who did it.

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Speaker 3: I want to ask you last we've talked about the

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Speaker 3: state of the race, where you hope that it's headed,

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Speaker 3: and if we can't, I'd like to look back to

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Speaker 3: nineteen seventy seven. So a ways you were nineteen, You

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Speaker 3: were a student at Fordham University. Your dad was making

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Speaker 3: a run for mayor, and you were helping out on

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Speaker 3: the campaign. He didn't win the Democratic primary and decided

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Speaker 3: to run on an independent line for mayor. He ended

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Speaker 3: up losing that race by nine points. They say that

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Speaker 3: history doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes, and I know

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Speaker 3: that you don't want history to repeat itself here. You'd

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Speaker 3: like to win this race in the way that he

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Speaker 3: wasn't able to back then fifty years ago. I'm not

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Speaker 3: the first to point out this historical parallel. But I

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Speaker 3: imagine you've thought about it, and I wonder how that

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Speaker 3: experience has informed your outlook on this race. There was

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Speaker 3: introspection after the primaries. You didn't do as well as

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Speaker 3: you wanted to do. You decided to make this run.

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Speaker 3: What can you learn about that race that your dad

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Speaker 3: waged and how does that inform the way that you're

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Speaker 3: running this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my father was an extraordinary individual on many levels,

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Speaker 1: highly principled, frankly a typical for a politician, and he

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Speaker 1: did quote unquote the right thing, whatever he thought the

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Speaker 1: right thing was for me. I believe in the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 1: I believe in what my father stood for, what John F.

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Speaker 1: Kennedy stood for, and Robert F. Kennedy stood for, and

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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, and what Mandami represents. And this Democratic Socialists

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Speaker 1: of America DSA socialists call them whatever you want. Is

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Speaker 1: repugnant to the Democratic Party, I know. And that's what's

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Speaker 1: really going on here. This is a civil war within

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party right where the extreme left is pulling

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party and the moderates are afraid of the

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Speaker 1: extreme left. It's the inverse of the Republican Party when

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Speaker 1: they had the Tea Party and the Tea Party was

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Speaker 1: pulling the Republican Moderates too far to the right because

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Speaker 1: they were afraid of them in a primary. That's what's

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Speaker 1: happening here. It's a battle for the soul of the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party. And the Democratic Party is not anti business,

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Speaker 1: it's not anti police. That's not who we are. We're

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Speaker 1: not about redistributing income as a policy. Right, you tax

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Speaker 1: to provide a service. You don't tax to take money

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Speaker 1: from the rich to give it to the poor.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: That's why Donald Trump cosim a communist. So this is

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Speaker 1: not the Democratic Party that I believe I represent and

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Speaker 1: traditionally has served this nation well. He is zero experience

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Speaker 1: in the position, never managed anything five employees, never had

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Speaker 1: a real job, and when you're willing to consider chief

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Speaker 1: executive New York City, no management experience, ran five people.

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Speaker 1: Now he's going to run three hundred thousand employees one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen billion dollar budget. You wake up any morning,

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Speaker 1: you could have a terrorist attack, you could have another COVID.

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Speaker 1: It just the means government and the means of public

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Speaker 1: service in a way that I just find abhorrent. And

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do everything I can to stop govern quollo.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you