1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. 2 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: Michael Verry Show is on the air. It's Charlie from 3 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: BlackBerry Smoking. I can feel a good one coming on. 4 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: It's the Michael Berry Show. Oh yeah, yes it is, Yes, 5 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: it is. 6 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 3: Bring that down on me, Jim, you can keep it 7 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 3: real light. But because it is a Friday drive home. 8 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 3: But we were digging through our this Day in History 9 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 3: file today and this comes up as the Nelson Mandela 10 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 3: International Day. Okay, whatever one may think of Nelson Mandela, 11 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 3: but it got me to thinking and we were laughing 12 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 3: about this. Sunday will be six months since Joe Biden 13 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 3: was the president. Six months ago, we had a brain 14 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 3: dead president and other people running the country, most of 15 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 3: whom nobody knew. Six months ago, nobody was admitting in 16 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 3: the media or the Democrat Party that Joe Biden was 17 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: brain dead, even though they smothered him in his seat 18 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 3: in his sleep on a Sunday morning. And then Kamala Harrison, 19 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 3: a little power play, was pushed into being the nominee, 20 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 3: and then everybody was angry because they said, you know, 21 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 3: we had to all get behind her. 22 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: But she's terrible. We didn't want to do that. It 23 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: is good because we're in this business. 24 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 3: We're constantly going back and listening to things that even 25 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 3: we doing what we do have forgotten. And by the way, 26 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 3: you've got real jobs. You got to show up at 27 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 3: the plant and keep up with the readings and the metrics. 28 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 3: You got to program computers and raise kids and run 29 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 3: small business and meet payroll and. 30 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 2: Bring your bill elating to be signed. 31 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 3: Because you've got to drop off a run in California 32 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 3: and get back to Maryland. I mean, we do this 33 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 3: all day, every day, and we still forget the craziness 34 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 3: that occurred not so very long ago. We lived through 35 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 3: this hell in Houston where I live. We're living through 36 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: it with a Harris County judge who has been institutionalized. 37 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 3: She's completely nuts nuts. She's been institutionalized. In the middle 38 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 3: of her term. She came out as unstable as ever 39 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 3: and declared that it's a good thing that she's been institutionalized. 40 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 3: This is she's a model for other people. Be a 41 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: model for other people in getting help. But we don't 42 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 3: need you to be running the county. Your staff's been indicted, 43 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 3: you've been institutionalized. The taxes are growing while the revenues 44 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 3: were already up and your nuts. So it's like it's 45 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 3: Groundhog Day all over again. And this is happening all 46 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 3: over the country where Democrats have put people into office, 47 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 3: and New York City's about to do it right now 48 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 3: with Kami Mumdani. They're about to do it right now. 49 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 3: But back to the point I got off, So Nelson 50 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: Mandela International Day, I leave that aside. Do you remember 51 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 3: that Joe Biden, the lies this guy told in broad 52 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: daylight and then Democrats never contradicted him. Joe Biden once 53 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 3: claimed that he was arrested trying to meet Nelson Mandela 54 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: in and listen to. 55 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 4: This this day, thirty years ago, Nelson Mandela walked out 56 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 4: of prison and entered into discussions about apartheid. 57 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: I had the great honor of meeting him. 58 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 4: I had the great honor of being arrested with our 59 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 4: UN ambassador on the streets of Suedo trying to get 60 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 4: to see him on Robin's Island when he came to 61 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 4: the United States, when he came to the White House, 62 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 4: to the Senate, I was chairman of the committee and 63 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 4: he walked in and most incredible thing I've ever. 64 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 2: Felt in my life. 65 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 4: He walked across in that private room with a big 66 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 4: table we have in the in the executive room, and 67 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 4: he walked over and I said, mister President leaning, I said, thank. 68 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: You, Jim. 69 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 3: Would you pull the Brian Williams lie about the RPGs. 70 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 3: One of the things Biden does when he's when he's 71 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: crafting a lie is that he tries to provide specific 72 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 3: detail to give it credibility. Brian Williams used to do that, 73 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: but Biden has this odd quirk where he also knows 74 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 3: in the back of his mind as he's weaving a lie, 75 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 3: that we all know it's not true. So he has 76 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 3: this kind of tick where he will say, and this 77 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 3: is true. Are you you gotta believe me on this? 78 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 3: Or I know you don't believe me on this, or 79 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 3: I'm not lying. Well, there's your tell. Everybody you've seen 80 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 3: you've seen rounders, there's your tail. 81 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 2: Pay the man his money. 82 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 3: His tell is he says he's not lying, or he 83 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 3: says he's telling you the truth. 84 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: Truthful people good life. 85 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 3: Lesson Truthful people don't need to tell you, Hey, this time, 86 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: I'm telling the truth. You know, when a bad guy 87 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: is arrested and they've run some big fraud. When they 88 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 3: are cutting a deal with law enforcement, with the prosecution, 89 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 3: they will agree to wear a wire, to agree to 90 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 3: bring down other people. And part of bringing down other 91 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: people is getting other people using the confidence they have 92 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 3: that other person has in them, and getting the other 93 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 3: person to hang themselves, usually with the wire. 94 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: And then you've got the audio file and all that. 95 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 3: But then often they're asked to go to court and testify, 96 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 3: and it's always a challenge. If you're the defense attorney 97 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 3: for the second guy that got hung up in this ring, 98 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 3: you say, Okay, they got my guy saying something to 99 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 3: this guy. 100 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: This guy says, my guy is a criminal. 101 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 3: But that guy's a criminal himself. You can't trust him. 102 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 3: He's not credible. Well, Joe Biden's not of them. By 103 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 3: the way, that I love Nelson Mandela. I think Nelson 104 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 3: Mandela associated with Castro Arafat Cadaffe. Nelson Mandela was not 105 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 3: a good guy. I know you've been told otherwise, but 106 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: Nelson Mandela was not a good Houston. I was talking 107 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 3: earlier about Joe Biden lying in a chronic liar. 108 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: You know, Kamala Harris used to do this. 109 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 3: Kamala Harris would claim you know, the being a freedom 110 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 3: fighter and all this. Barack Obama did this, and they 111 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 3: tell these stories of grandeur about their lives that are 112 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 3: not true. And I mentioned Brian Williams. This story turns 113 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 3: out to be a complete fabrication. But listen to all 114 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 3: the details. This is twenty thirteen. Brian Williams then then 115 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 3: a big deal in media. He was an anchor on 116 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 3: a major network. And he's telling a complete lie. But 117 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: the more detailed he gives you, the more believable it sounds. 118 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 5: We were going to drop some bridge portions across the 119 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 5: Euphrates so the third infantry could cross on them. Two 120 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,239 Speaker 5: of our four helicopters were hit by ground fire, including 121 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 5: the one I was in, Noki RPG and AK forty seven. 122 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: What altitude were hitting We. 123 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 5: Were only at one hundred feet doing one hundred forward 124 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 5: knots because we had these massive pieces of bridge beneath 125 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 5: us on slings. What happens, everybody realizes you've been hit. 126 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: We figure out how to land safely, and we did. 127 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 5: We landed very quickly and hard, and we put down 128 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 5: and we were stuck four birds in the middle of 129 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 5: the desert and we were north out ahead of the 130 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 5: other Americans. 131 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 3: Oh, four birds. You practically went to worry yourself, Brian, 132 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 3: and he's back. They always come back. They're always allowed 133 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 3: to slink back in. Oh, it's a unique day. We 134 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 3: have calls. We haven't asked for calls in quite some time. 135 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: We never get to every thing we want to, but 136 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 3: we have calls and we will go to them. Now, Mike, 137 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 3: you are on the Michael Berry Show. Go ahead, sir, 138 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 3: Hello Michael Zara, thank you for taking my call. 139 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: I was just sitting here thinking that if Joe Biden 140 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: didn't authorize those pardons for the use of the autopian, 141 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: which we know he didn't, it was safety assume did 142 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:27,599 Speaker 1: he authorize Ketajie Brown Jackson on the Supreme Court? 143 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: If he didn't, did he picked her? And if she's 144 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,599 Speaker 2: really has any right to even be there? If you 145 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 2: didn't pick, if he didn't excuse. 146 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: Her, you know, you raise a bigger question in the main, 147 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 3: and that is, to what extent did the constitutional powers 148 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 3: of the presidency. What extent were the constitutional powers of 149 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 3: the presidency not exercise by the president in the manner 150 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 3: in which we have grown a custom and I would 151 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 3: think legally require they'd be conducted that is you know, 152 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 3: you raise a very big question that I think has 153 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 3: to be raised, which is, to what extent is anything 154 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 3: Joe Biden actually did not legitimate because Joe Biden didn't 155 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: do it. If we know he didn't sign some documents, 156 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 3: then how do we know he didn't sign no documents, 157 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 3: in which case none of the of any edicts that 158 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 3: bear his name are legitimate. And by the way, this 159 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 3: level of chaos and confusion and disorder and mayhem, this 160 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 3: isn't politics, This isn't the ranker of Washington d C. 161 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 3: The Democrats did this to themselves. It should be expected. 162 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 3: You know, we don't like to see an inrun fall 163 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 3: apart because a lot of people get hurt, or World 164 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 3: Calm or Stanford Financial or Bernie Man. But the reality 165 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 3: is it has to be done. This has to be 166 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 3: heavily investigated, and there has to be punishment. There has 167 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 3: to be the frustrations. And I think a lot of 168 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 3: people want to look the other way and hope it's 169 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 3: brushed under the It's swept under the rug because it 170 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 3: raises questions that are so large, has to be extraordinarily troubling, 171 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 3: and that no one wants to grapple with and look, 172 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 3: we see this in households, we see it in school districts, 173 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 3: we see it in our own workplace. We've got an 174 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 3: issue that everyone sweeps under the rug because nobody wants 175 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 3: to confront it. This has to be confronted because if 176 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 3: it's not, it is now a precedent, and a precedent has, 177 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: if not a legal bearing, certainly with the Supreme Court 178 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 3: it does. But a precedent has a sort of it 179 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 3: becomes habitual, it becomes normalized, and so the next time 180 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 3: it happens, we find that a president is simply autopenning everything. 181 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 3: And when that happens, we don't know that the president autopended. 182 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 3: We know that if you write your signature in ink, 183 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 3: that you had to consent to what you were doing. 184 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 3: But when that can be done on your behalf by proxy, 185 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 3: we don't know that you approved of it, which means 186 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 3: you have now authorized or in this case, unauthorized counterfeits. 187 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 3: And now you've got you have no rule of law, 188 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 3: you have no stability, you have no trust in government, 189 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: and government and economies run on trust. You know, Mike, 190 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 3: you raise a question that you and I could talk 191 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 3: for hours about. What else about this administration? Is about 192 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 3: the past administration is illegitimate to the point that those 193 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 3: laws should not stand. And that goes for every law 194 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 3: that came out of Congress, that goes for every appointment 195 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 3: and everything they did, that goes for as you note, 196 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 3: the United States Supreme Court. 197 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: I mean, there are a lot of reasons. 198 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 3: Katanji Brown Jackson shouldn't be on the Supreme Court. But 199 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 3: you raise a very legalistic and I think realistic, reasonable, 200 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 3: legitimate question is she legally serving on the United States 201 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 3: Supreme Court. I don't think this is gamesmanship. I don't 202 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 3: think this is playing with a question, and I certainly 203 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 3: don't think it's a partisan a ploy. And by the way, 204 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 3: if the Republicans had any stones, they would go after this, 205 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 3: and would they would you know, stop and think about this. 206 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 3: The Democrats sat idly by while while Donald Trump's underwear 207 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 3: drawer was dug through at mar A Lago by the Feds, 208 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 3: who had authority to shoot if any if confronted, while 209 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 3: the District Attorney Fat Fannie in uh Atlanta was prosecuting him, 210 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 3: while Jack Smith was probably prosecuting him on behalf of 211 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 3: the White House out of DC, while Big Tish, the 212 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 3: fat Attorney General out of New York was prosecuting him 213 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 3: while committing mortgage fraud herself. 214 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 2: You had the uh. 215 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 3: You had the the indictment, you had the what thirty 216 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 3: four felony conviction. 217 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: The Democrats sat by. They didn't stop this. They could 218 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: have stopped this, they didn't stop this. 219 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 6: Ramon the King Alding and this other guy, Michael Barry. 220 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: These are the kind of guys you like a smack 221 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: and ass. You are on the Michael Berry Show, Sir 222 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: Michael Barry. 223 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 6: It's veteran Donald. I'm a been Ham radio operator for 224 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 6: forty seven years. Michael Garfield used to have at Ham 225 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 6: Radio show at night, just for an hour, pick a day, 226 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 6: probably a Friday, where you could ask who did you 227 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 6: talk to this week on Ham Radio and what was 228 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 6: the subject matter? It's everything everywhere around the world anytime 229 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 6: it's on twenty four to seven. People operate from home. 230 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 6: And I couldn't even begin to tell you some of 231 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 6: the interesting little cards I got from people I've talked to. 232 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 6: If you wanted me to give you an example, I would, 233 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 6: but you know, people wouldn't believe it. But I have 234 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 6: the card in writing, and I have the proof right 235 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 6: in my hand. 236 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, who you got. 237 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 6: Well, there was a time back there was a guy 238 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 6: in French Guyana and the only way they could communicate 239 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 6: with the rest of the world was through Ham radio 240 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 6: because there was nothing. There were no cell phones and 241 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 6: no internet, no nothing then and I talked to the 242 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 6: Ham radio operator that was from California in French Guyana. 243 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 6: He volunteered to go there. There was no communications ever anywhere. 244 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 6: And I talked to them three months before they drank 245 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 6: the kool aid. And I got a card from them saying, 246 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 6: you know, send us a little money for the people's temple, 247 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 6: you know. And I said, well, they weren't allowed. You're 248 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 6: not allowed to advertise from money on shortwave Ham radio 249 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 6: and there are people who monitor it. And so I 250 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 6: got a card from him. And then three months later, 251 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 6: of course my card was sent there. So my card 252 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 6: was there somewhere three months before they drank the kool aid. 253 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 2: Oh wow, wow. 254 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 6: That Ham radio operator then, that Ham radio operator that 255 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 6: was from California was either I'm pretty sure he was 256 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 6: a pretty stable guy. So he didn't drink kool aid. 257 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 6: They just killed him. 258 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know, I've been fascinated by that 259 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 3: case because it's bigger than Jonestown. It's bigger than that church. 260 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 3: It's a question of how people take leave of their senses. 261 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 3: It's a question of how people can be brainwashed. It's 262 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 3: a question of how people because they want to believe something, 263 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 3: they choose to even then they have every reason not to. 264 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 2: You know. 265 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 3: There's all It checks a lot of boxes of the 266 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 3: human condition. It's not such an outlier as we think. 267 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 3: It's just a fascinating case study because of the drinking 268 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 3: the kool aid. But one of the things that I 269 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 3: find fascinating that has emerged more of late, is is 270 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 3: that a number of people did not willingly drink the 271 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 3: kool aid, which you know, sort of became you know, 272 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 3: common parlance for you know, for doing something stupid, and 273 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 3: and that not everyone went to the hereafter willingly. 274 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 2: And I think that story wasn't always told, and. 275 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 3: Partly because look, dictatorial preacher kills his membership and then 276 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 3: takes his own life is not nearly as interesting as 277 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 3: evangelical charismatic, not even charismatic preacher talks his people into 278 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 3: drinking kool aid and kill themselves. 279 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: It's a better narrative. 280 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 3: It's it's more freaky more interesting, and I think that's 281 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 3: why that narrative took off. 282 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, and a lot of people were running for it. 283 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 6: A lot of people were trying to escape and get away, 284 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 6: but there was no place for them to go, so 285 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 6: they were chased down and shot. Now I want to 286 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 6: go a different way here. 287 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 3: Well, hold on, Donald, I'm gonna let you make your point, 288 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 3: but I want to ask you to do me a 289 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 3: favor for folks out there. Our chief engineer, he's now retired, 290 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 3: Bob's troupe at our flagship station, was a hand radio guy, 291 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 3: and I grew up around a lot of Ham radio guys. 292 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 3: I loved the CBE radio when I was a kid. 293 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 3: But explain to people how you get involved. Let's say 294 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 3: somebody out there says, you know, I keep hearing this 295 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 3: Ham radio reference. It's kind of quirky and old fashioned. 296 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 2: I want to do it. How would they get started? 297 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 6: It's very old fashioned. As a matter of fact, there 298 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 6: was a time when I used to talk to people 299 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 6: on Ham radio. Well, when I was younger. I'm my 300 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 6: name is Donald, I'm the same age as the other Donald. 301 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 6: I'm seventy nine years old, and there were guys that 302 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 6: we talked on the radio and said, where'd you get 303 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 6: this call sign? He said, there were no call signs. 304 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 6: When I started on radio. There was there was no FCC, 305 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 6: and so the guy just had a basic number like 306 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 6: w A two. However, there is a there is a 307 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 6: group called America Radio Really League. My voice is terrible. 308 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 6: I wish it was clear that American Radio Relay League 309 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 6: a r r L in Newington, Connecticut. They are the 310 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 6: radio protectors. Just like the NR protects people for guns, 311 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 6: the n R the A double r L. A r 312 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 6: r L is the single one group who protects the 313 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 6: frequencies for the m radio people. You can go dot 314 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 6: org them and you'll it'll be so much stuff on 315 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 6: there you'll be swimming in it. 316 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 3: So I just looked up while we were talking the 317 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 3: various classes of licensing. You can get technician class in 318 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 3: general class and amateur Extra class. 319 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 2: I'm sure, I'm assuming that's you. 320 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 6: I'm an advanced class. When you go to extra you 321 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 6: have to be able to do twenty words a minute 322 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 6: in morse code, and it's tricky. It keeps. It's like 323 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 6: it's like running. The people who run. If you can 324 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 6: run the five a mile, you know whatever, the five 325 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 6: minute mile. Then you would be an extra class radio 326 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 6: operator if you can do twenty words a minute in 327 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 6: morse code. Now, I want to tell you something that 328 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 6: people who's who died in that submarine, ridiculous submarine and 329 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 6: they didn't know what was going on. If you look 330 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 6: at the older movies, the guys that were in submarines 331 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 6: and sunk into the Second World War could send morse 332 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 6: code with a wrench, any kind of a metal thing 333 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 6: and bang it on the side of the bang it 334 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 6: on the other metal of the submarines. In morse code 335 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 6: you could send the more you can hear it through 336 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 6: the oceans the way the whales. The whales actually communicate 337 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 6: by little frequency noises through the through the water for miles. 338 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 6: So you know, Morse code is old fashioned, but it's 339 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 6: still very handy to know. 340 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 3: Do you give out your I don't want to ask 341 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 3: for something you're not comfortable with and put you in 342 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 3: an odd situation, But do you give out your call 343 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 3: sign on the air? 344 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 2: Well? 345 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 6: I would if I was to tell you it's g 346 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 6: WV like George Washington's victory and there are only there 347 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 6: are only nine areas of America and a zero, so 348 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 6: there's ten areas. But it's one through nine and then zero, 349 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 6: and the number tells you where you got your license. 350 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 6: So my number is on My number is two, so 351 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 6: that means I was in New York, New Jersey and 352 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 6: Connecticut area. If you're if you're a number six, all 353 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 6: all people with the number six and a radio license 354 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 6: are from California. Zero means you're from the central middle 355 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 6: of the country. Number four, that means you're from Florida 356 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 6: in that area. And it's it's just unique. It's you know, 357 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 6: it's a very interesting process to them to learn, and 358 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 6: the conversations on there are group conversations and everybody's invited 359 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 6: to be on the radio late night radio, and what 360 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 6: they do is they generally have a single person who 361 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 6: is called the net controller, just like you. You're the 362 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 6: net controller of course. 363 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 2: That Donald hold on right there, hold on right there. 364 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 3: I don't know how many other people are interested in this, 365 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 3: but I've heard so much about. 366 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 2: It, and I want to learn more. And you're a 367 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 2: good teacher, So hold on, professor, will be will be 368 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 2: more more? 369 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 6: What a maroon an. 370 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 3: We had a conversation this morning on our Friday morning 371 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 3: show which the conversation turned to small town radio and 372 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 3: big big city radio and how radio stations own radio. 373 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 3: And because I have programmed stations and done a show 374 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 3: and had some other life experiences, I was just sharing 375 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 3: sort of how the the radio business and really the 376 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 3: content general ration business has changed. And some of that 377 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 3: is dollars and cents, in fact, a big part of it, 378 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 3: but so is every other industry. But there are still 379 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 3: parts of content creation and connection and interaction and engagement 380 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 3: that are not driven by any dollars and cents. And 381 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 3: we got a call related I was taught. I was 382 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 3: telling the story that anybody can create a podcast, anybody 383 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 3: can create a blog today's world, even if you just 384 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 3: go into a social media site or you create your 385 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 3: a website or any number of other things. It is 386 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 3: a golden era for content creation, which means it's a 387 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 3: golden era for content consumption. 388 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 2: Now. 389 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 3: Some people will say there's too much content out there. Well, 390 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 3: that's true. There's a lot of content for things and 391 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 3: positions and whatever else, religions, whatever that you don't like. 392 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 3: But if you search out what you do like, there's 393 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 3: more content for you than ever before. Don't worry about 394 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 3: silencing someone else. Go get more of yours. You want 395 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 3: to learn about the Bible, there are more podcasts that'll 396 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 3: you know the Bible in a year, the Bible in 397 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 3: two years, an in depth study of Kings, an in 398 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 3: depth study of. 399 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 2: Luke. 400 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 3: There is so much out there for you that was 401 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 3: never available before. It had to be controlled by a 402 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 3: radio station, a newspaper publisher, a TV station, a book publisher, 403 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 3: and now it's all available. So Donald called to talk 404 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 3: about Ham radio after we went off the air, and 405 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 3: Ham radio is fascinating to me. 406 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 2: I grew up. 407 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 3: I grew up out in the country and we had 408 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 3: a CB and I would get on a CB and 409 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 3: I could talk to the truckers as they drove We 410 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 3: lived right on the highway as they drove by, and 411 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 3: that was kind of the democratized, pluralized, popular populist way 412 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 3: of communication. Ham radio is fascinating to me. And since 413 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 3: we have a Ham radio operator on, if you're not 414 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 3: interested in it, let me guarantee your grandfather was all right. 415 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,959 Speaker 3: So Donald, go ahead, but I would like you to 416 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 3: explain to me. Let's say you turn on your Ham 417 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 3: radio for people who know nothing about it, talk to 418 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 3: us like we're six year olds. For people who know 419 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 3: nothing about it. Tell me how you begin to make 420 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 3: a connection with someone around the world when you turn 421 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 3: that machine on. 422 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 6: Well, it's just like anything else. You could to pick 423 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 6: a band with different bands. There are seven or eight 424 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 6: different bandwidth that them are popular, and like eighty meters 425 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 6: is a very long frequency, low frequency, that's a very 426 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 6: good nighttime frequency which doesn't operate good during the day. 427 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 6: And the higher frequencies go all the way up to 428 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 6: two meters and forty meters for forty four hundred and 429 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 6: forty maker hearts that's UHF and just like a walkie 430 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 6: talkies for the police and all. But there is a 431 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 6: section of that bandwidth which is operated by Ham radio operators. 432 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 6: You can pick anything you want and you would go 433 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 6: ahead and scan into it or listen to it, and 434 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 6: if there's a conversation going on or no conversation going on, 435 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 6: you can announce your call letters and you would say 436 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 6: actually in Morse code, you would send Q Q Q 437 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 6: and Morse code means calling anybody an available, call anybody CQ, 438 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 6: and then you would give your call letters and then 439 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 6: somebody would come back and say, okay, GWV, let's talk. 440 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 6: You know, that might be four or five people wanted 441 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 6: to get together, so you don't have to have a 442 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 6: central controller. 443 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 3: All right, So let's say people respond in morse code 444 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 3: and you've you've sent out the message calms up. 445 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 2: They've said yes. 446 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 3: Now, what would be a typical conversation? I know nothing 447 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 3: is typical, but what would be a tip conversation? 448 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: Oh? 449 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 6: The first thing is what what kind of radio do 450 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 6: you like anything? What kind of radio do you have? 451 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 6: How high is your antenna? How much power are you running? 452 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 6: Where's your location? Are you having some kind of you know, 453 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 6: you live on this side of a mountain in California, 454 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 6: or you could be in Alaska. There's an Alaska network 455 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 6: that's on day, seven days a week, which are all 456 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 6: people from Alaska who actually don't even have a cell 457 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 6: phone coverage because they're way out there. And it's called 458 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 6: it it's called it Alaska Net and it's on four 459 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 6: four forty four, it's on it's on high frequency four 460 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 6: forty four dot three hundred four four four dot three 461 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 6: hundred and if you go to that frequency on FM, 462 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 6: you'll hear that network every day, six. 463 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: Day to fight seven days. 464 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 3: So these are people that's fascinating. These are people who 465 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 3: have no other means of connectivity to communicate who this is. 466 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 3: That the one and only way they can do that. 467 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 6: Not exactly, they have other means, but in Alaska in 468 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 6: order to keep in touch with about twenty or thirty 469 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 6: forty people who are out there in the middle of nowhere, 470 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 6: and they just get together to let each other know 471 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 6: how they're doing, because you know, they check in with 472 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 6: each other. And what's really funny, there's like kind of 473 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 6: it's kind of like a joke, but it's not a joke. 474 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 6: When they're talking and they'll say, well, today, I'm going 475 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 6: to dog it. Today, I'm going to dog it. Like, 476 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 6: what do you mean Now, I'd ask them, what do 477 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 6: you mean dog it? They say, well, I'm not going 478 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 6: to take the snowmobile out because it's too much snow 479 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 6: on the truck. Forget it. I can't even get it 480 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 6: out of the garagers twenty feet of snow piled in 481 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 6: front of the garage. So I'm going to take the 482 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 6: dogs slit. I'm going to dog it. I'm like, okay. 483 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 6: The dogs never give up. They're always on, no batteries required, 484 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 6: and they never run out of fuel and you don't 485 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 6: have to recharge the dogs with anything but a little 486 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 6: bit of nothing, they'll just eat the snow. 487 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 2: For an hour. 488 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 3: Well, the fascinating part about that is you're getting a 489 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 3: little insight into people's world that it might be the 490 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 3: mundane pedestrian aspects of their life, but it's still important 491 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 3: things and interesting things. And you know, look, I'm not 492 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 3: a reality TV guy, but I think reality TV took 493 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 3: off because we want to know how other people live. 494 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 2: We want to know the mundane things they do. 495 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 3: Behind closed doors, how they argue, how they get their 496 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 3: kids to do their homework, what programs they consume, what 497 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 3: their hobbies are. And in this case, you're getting a 498 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 3: really interesting insight into it that maybe you'd have to 499 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 3: read a Jack London book to get otherwise. But that's fascinating. 500 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 3: So how many days a week would you say, or 501 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 3: how many days a month would you say? 502 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 2: You get on the hand radio and for how long? 503 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I have to be laughing a little bit 504 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 6: before I talk here because my voice is so rough. 505 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 6: I turn it on when I when I get up 506 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 6: in the morning, I turn on the Alaska Network on 507 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 6: a radio that is horse quieted. It only only when 508 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 6: they're speaking does the radio make you hear it and 509 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 6: then it goes quiet. You know, matter of fact that 510 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 6: I could go around and turn it on. Now I'm 511 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 6: allowed to transmit Ham radio over commercial radio, but you're 512 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 6: not allowed to come to transmit commercial radio over Ham radio. 513 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 6: And you say, well, who would know? How would they 514 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 6: figure that out? Well, there are people who know, and 515 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 6: they would figure it out. 516 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 2: That is fascinating. Donald, you are the call of the week. 517 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 3: This this is uh, this is fantastic. 518 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 2: I am so glad you called. I find that so interesting. 519 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 3: I love to find little niche communities and interesting people. 520 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 2: You know, I'll bet you if you were to go out. 521 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 3: Into the Ham radio community and ask who has a 522 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 3: conviction for a violent crime, there ain't one that's the 523 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 3: guy that that you know, you go and ask listen 524 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 3: next door to you go and borrow the flour or 525 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 3: the sugar. 526 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 2: Those are the Those are the kind of people you 527 00:31:59,120 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 2: want to be around. 528 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 3: Everybody I've ever known who's a hand radio operator is 529 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 3: a solid citizen that you would want to live next 530 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 3: door to. 531 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 2: That's for sure.