1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants hut. 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 2: Let's go, Let's go Giants, the Giants moubul give me 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: some job. 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast Network. 5 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: Let's roll. 6 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought 7 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 3: to you by Citizens Official Bank of the Giants. We 8 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 3: continue our look at the Giants draft glass with a 9 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 3: big focus on Jackson Dart and all the fun and 10 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 3: excitement that comes with a quarterback uh that the Giants 11 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 3: hope to develop into the eventual starter. We're coming to 12 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 3: you from the Hackensack Marine Healths Podcast studio. Keep getting Better. 13 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 3: So I've been trying to talk to as many quarterbacks 14 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 3: as we can. Have you even watched them. 15 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: Go back. 16 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 3: Phil Simms before the draft actually gave us a nice 17 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 3: spiel on Jackson Dart, so you can get that from 18 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 3: him before the draft. And then after the draft. We 19 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 3: talked to Chase Daniel, go check that out. We talked 20 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 3: to Kurt Warner, go check that out. 21 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 1: I think just. 22 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 3: Really great insight into the quarterback position, what the guys 23 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 3: have to do to get better and develop at the 24 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 3: next level. Without further ado, here's our guest Dan Roloski, 25 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 3: and now we welcome in the one and only Dan Orlosky. 26 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 3: You can see him on and all the other million 27 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 3: media things Dan is doing these days. 28 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: It's good. It's been a while, man. Good to talk 29 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: to you. 30 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: How are you, Yeah, good to talk to you. Man. 31 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: I'm doing great, uh, you know, coming off a couple 32 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: of weeks ago at the draft and obviously your guys 33 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: had a great one, hopeful one, let me put it 34 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 2: that way. So but doing very well. Thank you. 35 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: Now, Dan has been very loyal to us. 36 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 3: We had Dan on before I think it was before 37 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 3: you even signed out on the ESPN right back in 38 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 3: the day. 39 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: We appreciate that. 40 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 3: And by the way, congratulations on all your success man. 41 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: You know, I think from the outside looking in, people 42 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 3: can tell that you work hard at it and that 43 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 3: you put the work in, and I think, quite frankly, 44 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 3: that's why you've had the success that you've had. 45 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: Thank you. Man. No, it's a it's a calling Carter's mind, 46 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 2: you know. It's it's become a thing where I am 47 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: I am who I am, and I don't know how 48 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: not to work hard. I'm thankful for that, and you know, 49 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: very very fortunate. I've had a lot of open doors 50 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: for me and and been ready for him and you know, 51 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: just just getting going. I very much so enjoy it. 52 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 3: One fun question for you before you get going here, 53 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 3: how long did it take you to figure out how 54 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 3: to use the VR headset controller thing? 55 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? Realistically like fifteen to twenty minutes. 56 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: Oh no, that's pretty good. 57 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: I'm pressed. Yeah. Yeah, I had my kids have one 58 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: at the house. I've probably used that like twice and honestly, 59 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: who were three minutes into it? I was like, this 60 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: is too much for me. I almost got wheezy, you know, 61 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: using the one at the house. Fuck Andrew Hawkins, it's 62 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: part of he's one of the owners of the company. 63 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: Brought it let's call it a year and a half 64 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: ago and he's like, I think this would be cool 65 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, but it feels like a lot. 66 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: And then I was like, you got to cut the 67 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: fat off of it. And he brought it in maybe 68 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: a year ago. Again he's like, what do you think 69 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: We've refined a little bit and I was like, it's 70 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: it's better, you know, it just needs to advance and 71 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: again be a little bit simpler with the execution. And 72 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: then he brought it in kind of the early last 73 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: season and I was like, this is this is actually 74 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 2: really sick and so we and I just told him 75 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 2: we were talking about I said, listen, let's just do it, 76 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 2: like we got to trust me. Let's just do it. 77 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: If it's a disaster, it's a disaster. But we got 78 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: a shoot and uh, you know, he expedited some of 79 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: the trigger points of the joysticks for me, and you know, 80 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: I tried to keep it somewhat simple throughout that process 81 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: of executing it, and uh, it was fifteen twenty minutes 82 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: in practicing. It came forty minutes before show, and I 83 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: was like, dude, let's just do it right now, like 84 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: let's and we taped the first one, like let's just 85 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 2: do it and figure it out. And we did, and 86 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 2: it's it's kind of taken off. It's been cool. See. 87 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 3: I think that's a good place to start, right because 88 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 3: I think what you're trying to show with the VR 89 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: headset is what the quarterback's looking at and what he's seeing. 90 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 2: Right. 91 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, and for me, especially not having played the position, 92 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 3: but I know I had curR won around last week 93 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 3: and he said for him, it's hard too. I think 94 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 3: one of the toughest things on this planet to do 95 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 3: is evaluate college quarterbacks and figure out how they're going 96 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: to play in the NFL. 97 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: It's almost a different game. 98 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: You might know what the play is supposed to do, 99 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: but you don't know how he's being coached on it, 100 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 3: what the coach is telling him to do, how he's 101 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 3: supposed to read it. So let's start there, Dan, how 102 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 3: do you try to figure that part of the evaluation 103 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: out with college quarterbacks and college tips without access to 104 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: the player and the coach to find out what he's 105 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 3: being taught to do on certain plays. 106 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's different than any other position. So every other position, 107 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 2: and mainly the ones that are drafted early, size, speed, strength, 108 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 2: power matter the most. You know, big, fast, powerful, strong. 109 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: If I'm taking a defensive end at the third position, 110 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: I want a guy that's six foot four, two hundred 111 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,679 Speaker 2: and fifty pounds, runs four to four jumps to the gym, 112 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: and has the quickness of Alan Iverson. And so when 113 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 2: you're really like going into the quarterback, I think the 114 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: physical matters a little bit more than let's say twenty 115 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 2: years ago, but it's not the most important stuff, and 116 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 2: you do have to have some physical qualities to be 117 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: an early round draft pick and then to have the 118 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: chance to go be really good to great in the NFL. 119 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: But those are really the secondary elements. The primary elements 120 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: are so much more, you know what we say, the 121 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: mind the neck up. And so I would tell you 122 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 2: that the number one thing just af tape because I 123 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: don't get to sit and evaluate personality. The number one 124 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: thing off tape that I look at is what do 125 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: you do in moments of panic? Because I really believe 126 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 2: that is a line of demarcation between can you play 127 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: or not? And then after if you can, then there's 128 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: different levels and peers to Okay, he's really good or 129 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: that's the thing that holds a bauck or he's great. 130 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: What are you doing moments? Because that's real life playing 131 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 2: quarterback in the NFL, and in moments of panic can 132 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 2: be you know, the answer could be, well, you know, 133 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: in moments of panic, he's instinctually he's unbelievable, or he's 134 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: got this athleticism you know that allows him to get 135 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: out of those moments, or is decision making never blinked, 136 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,679 Speaker 2: or he's you know, able to take off as a runner. 137 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 2: And so like what you do consistently and those moments 138 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: of panic is my favorite thing to try and watch 139 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: on tape with the guy, because if you can handle 140 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: those moments and you've got skill talent wise to handle 141 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: those moments and do good with a decision or a 142 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: throw or a movement or an escape, that's carry over. 143 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,239 Speaker 2: Like that's stuff that carries over to the next level. 144 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 3: What were the positives from Jackson Dart that you liked 145 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 3: in those moments? 146 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: John that was my favorite quality of him, You know, 147 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 2: I when I watched his tape and I go back 148 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: to this, this was probably the moment for me when 149 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: it came to watching quarterbacks that I fell in love 150 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 2: with that trade. I remember watching Joe Burrow and I 151 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 2: called LSU games. I'd seen him in real person. I'd 152 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: gone and called the National Title game in person. And 153 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 2: I remember watching a game versus O miss and he 154 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: made he had pressure an unblocked guy, or and he 155 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 2: made a subtle movement in the and it came to 156 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 2: this moment where in a brink of an eye he 157 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 2: could take a sack. It was gonna be a sack bumble, 158 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: maybe throw the ball into the coverage, take off and 159 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: run for a yard. Just panic and you just saw 160 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 2: this very calm dump off to a back that was 161 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: like four yards away from him, and I was like, 162 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: that's it, Like, that's that's it right there, and I'll 163 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: go back to Jaden Daniels last year, like Jaden had 164 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: that same stuff that he just never in those moments 165 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: to panic. It felt like nine and a half out 166 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 2: of ten times the right decision, not a good decision, 167 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: the right decision was made. And I felt that way 168 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 2: about Jackson. I don't feel maybe he was eight or 169 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: nine out of ten times, you know, doing the right thing. 170 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: It wasn't the level of Joe and Jaden, but I 171 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: was watching going, man, he just doesn't panic with the ball. 172 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: He just doesn't panic with the ball. And that was 173 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: the quality that made me really, you know, I have 174 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: my notes right in front of me every game I studied. 175 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: I liked that more and more. I liked it more 176 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: and more and more and more. And so that was 177 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: the quality that got me a little bit more like wait, wait, wait, 178 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: wait wait wait. I think I like this guy more 179 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: than I thought I would have. And I like this 180 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: guy more than maybe some other people do. 181 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 3: And I think a big part of that Dan I 182 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 3: thought his ability to consistently step up in the pocket 183 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 3: was huge, you. 184 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: Know, the strongest in the pocket. I don't mean to 185 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 2: touch off. 186 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: He was. 187 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 2: He's the guy that is in this class coming out. 188 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 2: He was the strongest in the pocket. And that means 189 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: a couple of different things, like when like my one 190 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: of my favorite qualities and I think it stands the 191 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: test of time, and some guys get away with it 192 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 2: is when a quarterback can move in the pocket and 193 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 2: still remain somewhat visible of what's going on downfield. It's 194 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: not a blacker or white takeoff and run or not, 195 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: but still feel like what's going on downfield more often 196 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: than not, but not risk the ball. And if you 197 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: see like it is an old school fundamental thing that 198 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 2: so often he moves in the pocket and there's the 199 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: two hands on the ball. It's swiping across his chest 200 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: and you see guys pulling at him or at the ball, 201 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: and he stays strong in there. And also and sometimes 202 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: he takes off and runs because he sees the sea 203 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: him and goes or sees I don't like anything go 204 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: And then sometimes you can see him like his moving 205 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: take a little cross or take a little and take 206 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 2: a little shallow. And so that was probably my second 207 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 2: favorite thing I did to tape the night of the draft. 208 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: That's his second, my second favorite quality of his. 209 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 3: All right, let me take the other side of this, 210 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: and this is probably not dart related, but I'm just interested. 211 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 3: What are the big red flags for you for what 212 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 3: you don't want a quarterback to do when he gets 213 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 3: into those pressure, panicky type of situations. 214 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a little bit similar to Drake may 215 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: for me last year. Lazy feet. You know, some guys 216 00:09:55,679 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: that are just very naturally athletically gifted, they don't have 217 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: to hone in specifically early in their life on basics 218 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: and fundamentals and technique. And I always say this to people. John, 219 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 2: you know, so you've been playing the position. Let's let's 220 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: live in the world where these guys and Jackson's been 221 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 2: playing quarterback for ten years. That's ten years of bad habits. 222 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: So you're not erasing those in you know, a two 223 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: month span leading up into the NFL draft, and so 224 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 2: it just takes that that's when he gets lazy feet. 225 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: If you go to the first drive of the Georgia game, 226 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: there is a little bit of unblocked pressure, he gets 227 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: lazy feet. And when I mean lazy feet. Sometimes it's 228 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: like this. Jordan Love has this too, where it's like 229 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 2: a hoppy you know where you know, I always say, 230 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: if you can almost think of a baseball pitcher getting 231 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: to the top of their wind up and here comes 232 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: the sink. It's a little bit of a sink, and 233 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: here comes a forcing fastball. You know. Jackson has that 234 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: very much, so consistently, and then he has plays where 235 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: like why do you look like you're like, you don't 236 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 2: know what's going on, and so there's that hop light 237 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: on your feet. I don't necessarily know what I'm looking at, 238 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: and so it's like this lazy feet, and it creates 239 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 2: issues for him. Sometimes he misses a read, sometimes he 240 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: misses a throw. And again you go back to the 241 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 2: start of the Georgia game. It's the right read, he 242 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 2: sees it, it comes out on time, but he's got 243 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 2: these lazy feet going on, and the ball sales and 244 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: it's a pick and so that would probably no go ahead. 245 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Yeah, that's probably my number one issue. And 246 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: that's like for me, that's so correctable and not panicky, 247 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 2: you know. To answer your question a little bit more detailed, 248 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: is you know, when you watch quarterbacks panic in a 249 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 2: moment where the ball becomes a big issue. Like I'm 250 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: not using this as the example, it just is a 251 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 2: coincidental thing. I'll go back to Daniel Jones. I remember 252 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 2: the morning after the drafts being like, I don't like 253 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 2: what he does with the football moments of panic. Sometimes 254 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: it's uh, you know, you drop the ball and it 255 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 2: gets separated from your body. Sometimes you freeze, Like that 256 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 2: would be my thing with danme he just freeze and like, ah, 257 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 2: that would be something. And I did probably you know, 258 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 2: I wasn't a good enough player, so you know, I 259 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 2: think specific to the question is like just that freezing, 260 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: like you become stuck, you know, and then even greater 261 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,119 Speaker 2: with Jexton, as I would probably tell you the laziness 262 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: of his feet are the biggest hurdle that he's going 263 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: to have to attack. 264 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 3: It's funny you bring up the feet thing, and what 265 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I did. I talked to Phil Simms. 266 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 3: I think there was a day before the draft, and he, 267 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 3: you know Phil, I don't know if you talk to 268 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 3: Phil much, but he goes on these ransom times about 269 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 3: quarterback evaluation because he's done in a long time and 270 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 3: he quarterbacks, and he goes the one thing I hate 271 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 3: when people talk about quarterbacks, Oh, he's light on his feet. 272 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 3: I don't want a quarterback light on their feet. I 273 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 3: want a quarterback that gets their feet in the ground, 274 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 3: planted and they know what they're doing with their feet. 275 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 3: And it seems like you're kind of on that same 276 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 3: page as Phil. 277 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I want fleets in the you know, I want 278 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: because that tells me conviction. You know that when I 279 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: look at that, I know what you're looking at. You 280 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 2: know what you're looking at. You're telling me what you're 281 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 2: looking at. And part of it is, I mean, if 282 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 2: we're just this is a little bit bigger than Jackson. 283 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: Part of it is, you know what's going on with 284 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 2: quarterback development, and you know, over from the age of 285 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: ten twelve on is very few guys are getting taught. 286 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: You know, hands under a center three step draw, What 287 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: does it look like playing on time? Hands under center 288 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 2: five step drop onto three four five ball comes out, 289 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: you know, and so you kind of train your feet 290 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: over again, years of reps to just put your putting 291 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: the ground, and it comes out. Put your putting in 292 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 2: the ground, it comes out, put your foot in the ground. 293 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 2: It's not there reset to another thing, or a lot 294 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: of times, you know, in the gun, you're like, you know, 295 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 2: you don't feel you know, think about it this way, John, 296 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 2: when I'm under center, I'm two or three feet from 297 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 2: the bad dudes. I better get to freak away from them, 298 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 2: you know. Wearing the gun, I'm automatically like, you know, 299 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: fifteen feet, I'm five yards. So I don't feel it 300 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: right away, you know, And so there's there's not that 301 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: built up urgency. It's one of my complaints when I 302 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 2: watched you know, twelve year old football that my son's play. 303 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 2: But the kid under center and let him learn that 304 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 2: feeling of getting away from the center, and that teaches 305 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 2: you better be in the ground, dude, and you better 306 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: be moving fast away. And so yeah, that's it, and 307 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 2: I go back to it. I go back to Drake 308 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 2: May last year. I go back to Jordan Love a 309 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: couple of years ago. They both had it the encouraging thing. 310 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: Jordan Loves had packed it pretty good. He still has, 311 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: you know, growth in that area. Drake only one year in, 312 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: but I was wildly impressed with how much he got 313 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 2: better at that. 314 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 3: The Giants Little Podcast is brought to you by Citizens, 315 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 3: the Official Bank of the Giants, from game day celebrations 316 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: to you everyday financial needs, big move Fans can get 317 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 3: the most out of every moment from Citizens. 318 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,239 Speaker 1: Learn more at Citizens bank dot com slash. 319 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 2: Giants hoddle up, get in here. 320 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the 321 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: middle with at the score. 322 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: Great. How do we make that happen? I don't know, 323 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: but Citizens does make sense of your money with Citizens 324 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: Official Bank of Eli Manning. 325 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 3: How quickly you think Jacksonville can learn the under center 326 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 3: drop back play action, turn your back to the defense 327 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 3: and kind of turn around and work that part of 328 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: It's something you've read a lot of play action in college, 329 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 3: but it's mostly kind of RPO shotgun stuff, not so 330 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 3: much under center turn your back stuff. 331 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: Correct. Great question. I really believe it takes about two years, 332 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 2: two to three years to really get comfortable doing it, 333 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: because now can he go out and execute it, you know, 334 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: one off without you know, if you get some kinds 335 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: of basic coverages or guys are open for sure, you know, 336 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 2: but really getting to a point of you know, comfort 337 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: and seeing it all and playing it in in the 338 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: time because windows in the NFL, everyone knows are smaller 339 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 2: than they close. Quicker. I really think it takes two 340 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: to three years because just for everybody to understand quarterback 341 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: from the very early age, breaks the huddle, What am 342 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 2: I looking at? Finding safeties? Okay, so they kind of 343 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: give you the information of what might be the coverages, 344 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: front linebacker, safeties. So quick you get the ball and 345 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he's going to have to do 346 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 2: things he's never done before. You know, scariness to turn 347 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 2: your back to a defense. I don't know anything anymore, 348 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 2: Like I don't know where guys are, and I gotta 349 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 2: snap my head. I got to execute a good a 350 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: good ball fake, a good ball handling. So that's primary 351 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 2: to getting my head back. And so naturally what you 352 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: fight as a quarterback is the ball fake and the 353 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: ball handling isn't good because you're like trying to get 354 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: peaks of what's going on and just getting accustomed to 355 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: taking your eyes from yes no, yes. You know that 356 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: takes reps, and that takes comfort and confidence in building 357 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: it up. And you know, so he's gonna make mistakes 358 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 2: in that regard from that stuff. But you know that 359 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 2: I'm not telling everybody he's not going to be able 360 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: to execute parts of the you know, the play action 361 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 2: pass offense this year, but to really get comfortable at 362 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 2: it and to really just start cutting things loose. Good. 363 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: You start to see you don't really see people, You 364 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: see colors, you see, you see windows, you anticipate them 365 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 2: differently and more. Yeah, I would say two to three years. 366 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 3: All right, So let's stick on the developmental process here. 367 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 3: He comes from a link Kiffin offense that I think 368 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 3: did more as a year went along. You saw some 369 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 3: NFL concepts in there, but it's also an offense then 370 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 3: you know this. They span the same, you know, seven 371 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 3: to ten things all all game. They do add of 372 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,239 Speaker 3: different formations and stuff like that, which is why he's 373 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 3: so good at his job. And it's a lot of 374 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 3: just reading one player, right, Like all's the safety go 375 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: in the flat? 376 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: Does he go? Does he does a corner? Go in 377 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: the flat? Does he go to the second level on 378 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: the over? 379 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 2: Sure? 380 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 3: So how do you think and how long will it 381 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 3: take and what adjustments will Jackson have to make to 382 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 3: kind of go from what he was asked to do 383 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 3: at all miss to what he's going to be asked 384 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 3: to do with Brian Dable with the Giants. 385 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's gonna take a significant amount of time. 386 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: You know, it's the starting point is asking what he 387 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 2: did at ol Miss from a changing protection, handling certain 388 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 2: stuff in the run game to what he's capable of. 389 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 2: And I know that there's been a conversation of you know, 390 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 2: Lane and so often you're getting into ideal plays. That 391 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: doesn't mean that he doesn't know the why you're getting 392 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 2: into the ideal plays. So if you got this guy 393 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: that understands like, oh, Lane's going to go to this 394 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: and we're going to this because of this, I actually 395 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: think it could be an advantage because he's gotten such 396 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: an understanding of, oh, this is the defense, this is 397 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 2: the weakness of the defense, this is where we want 398 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 2: to attack it. You've probably heard me say this. Every 399 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 2: defense there's an opportunity and there's a problem. And so 400 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 2: when you play in these offenses that are well coached 401 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 2: but sometimes coach driven, it doesn't mean the quarterback's robotic. 402 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean he's got no clue what's going on. 403 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 2: He hopefully had gotten to the point where he was 404 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 2: anticipating what Lane was going to do and knew the why, 405 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 2: and so you know, I think that could be an 406 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 2: advantage of you got to figure out what they did 407 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,479 Speaker 2: and kind of and why they did it, and how 408 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 2: much he understands it, and to the point of, you know, 409 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 2: them running similar concepts. I'll go back to last year 410 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: with Jaden Daniel because I heard a lot of people 411 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 2: say that about Jaden, and you know they did. You know, 412 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 2: Lsu ran a lot of like the same five or 413 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: six place. They would do it out of different formations, 414 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 2: different splits, different cuts, different people. He greased it though, 415 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 2: he was really really good at it. And I felt 416 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 2: the same way about Jackson. I remember watching his tape. 417 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 2: I'm like, man, they run a lot of three level crossers, 418 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 2: a lot of three level crossers, but he was really 419 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: good at seeing it and really good at throwing it 420 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 2: and to the right guy at the right times. And 421 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 2: so you know, I think as a coaching staff, Gable 422 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 2: and Cafta will have to look at and be like, Okay, 423 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 2: he's really good at this stuff. Those are concepts that 424 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: really can be a lot of coverages if you've got 425 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 2: a good decision maker and people with the ball in 426 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 2: their hands. So it would be something that I would 427 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 2: expect them, you know, when he's in where he's depth 428 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 2: charged playing. I would expect them to live in that 429 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: world a little bit with him. But I think that, 430 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 2: you know, if he's got the capability intellectually handle it 431 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 2: a lot. I don't think. I don't think that it's 432 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: going to be a negative on him, not. 433 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 3: With the And I think clip Clingsbury did a great 434 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 3: job with that this year with it exactly and is 435 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 3: with with Daniels too. And it goes back. Actually, I 436 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 3: don't want to attack two things you just mentioned. This 437 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 3: was relayed to me by Sean o'harer, who talked to 438 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 3: Eli about quarterback evaluation, right, Eli Manning and what Eli said, 439 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 3: it's important with these kids coming out of college to know. 440 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 3: And I think this comes from meeting with them and 441 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 3: doing the thirty visits and get them on the board 442 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 3: and do the private workouts and that stuff. Are they 443 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 3: just doing the you know, all right, this guy goes here, 444 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 3: I throw it here. Is he just doing like the 445 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 3: joystick controller the coach is telling me to do this, 446 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 3: I'm doing this on this play or does he actually 447 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 3: understand the why and concept of the play, why it's working. 448 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 3: So when the defense maybe surprises you with something showed 449 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 3: you something you didn't expect pre snap. Well, you understand 450 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,959 Speaker 3: the concept. You're not flustered because your first you know 451 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 3: ab thing decision's gone. You understand the concept, and then 452 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 3: you can adjust and make the right play based on 453 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 3: what the defense is shown you. 454 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, what dots connect and what's the answer to the problem. 455 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 2: You know, so know with the with the whole one 456 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: read thing. When a coach tells you, hey, if this guy, 457 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 2: if this flat defender stays inside, we throw it out. 458 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 2: If he goes outside, we throw it in. Well, the 459 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 2: next level really to that is okay, if that defender 460 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 2: goes outside, there is a dot or another defender connected 461 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 2: to him, and so where does that not go? And 462 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 2: so that's like the next level of it is And 463 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: so often that you'll hear people say Reid is one 464 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 2: to two. Well it's really Read is one to who else? 465 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 2: You know, it's the read and you're trying. And I 466 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 2: had a coach Steve Mariucci was great with me as 467 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: a young player, and then Gary Kupiak was great with me. 468 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 2: He was that you got to see everything, but while 469 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 2: seeing nothing. You don't really want quarterbacks to just solely 470 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: be focused on one player. There's eleven on defense. So 471 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: you can sit there and go, coach, he went to 472 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: the flat. Well yeah, but that guy then replaced them 473 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 2: and you threw an interception for a touchdown to him. 474 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,959 Speaker 2: You know, So that's part of that, and you know 475 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 2: that's why you know, for young quarterbacks the spring is 476 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 2: such a big deal, and you've heard coaches say, well, 477 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: we just throw so much at them to see how 478 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 2: much they can handle. In many ways, you are trying 479 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 2: to break those guys in the spring. You're trying to 480 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: like overwhelm them, yes, to see how much they can handle, 481 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 2: but also for you as the coach, to see where's 482 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 2: he weak at, seeing stuff like where does he where 483 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 2: is he not good at that? Or or does he 484 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 2: get that? Because if he gets that, then we're like, okay, 485 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 2: maybe we can go give him a little bit more stuff. 486 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 2: So you know that, and again the problem is, you 487 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 2: know when you mentioned if you expect something and get 488 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 2: something else. I always say quarterbacks should absolutely predetermine where 489 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: they want to throw a football. That's how you play 490 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 2: ahead of the defense. You never assume where you're going 491 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 2: to throw the football. You've got to confirm what the 492 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 2: defense is doing and so again this goes to the 493 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 2: college offense. You kind of anticipated what you were going 494 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 2: to get more consistently, can you so somewhat replicated that 495 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 2: in the NFL, But that would be something that I 496 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 2: would expect Dable and Kafka in the spring we got 497 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 2: constantly shown different stuff. We got constantly showing different stuff. 498 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 2: We want to make sure he thinks one thing and 499 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 2: sees another thing defensively, because that's the problem. Oh I 500 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 2: have I have a you know, a post route, and 501 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 2: I have an out route, and I have an over 502 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 2: and a in sweet they're in quarters and I'm gonna 503 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 2: out that throw this post of this out and it's 504 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,479 Speaker 2: going to be a touchdown ball get snapped and they 505 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 2: go to cover three. I got a problem because the 506 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: post is dead and be out as dead. So what's 507 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 2: the answer, you know, And so like that's where you're 508 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 2: trying to get those guys. And that's that panic or 509 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 2: notepan I think is like in when you'll see that's 510 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 2: when I talk about sometimes his feet being a little 511 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: bit soft and high and that I don't know what 512 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 2: I'm looking at, you know, like Nope, that's where you know, 513 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 2: that's where those reps are going to become just absolutely huge. 514 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: Great answer. And you know, you mentioned they ran. 515 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 3: One of the concepts they ran a lot was kind 516 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 3: of that mesh underneath right and then they brought the 517 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 3: big over over the top right to and that was 518 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 3: one of the concepts that they kind of ran a lot. 519 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 3: And you know, I think the one thing I really 520 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 3: liked about him, Dan and we talked about kind of 521 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 3: the opposite of this with JJ McCarthy last year, where 522 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 3: everything was kind of a line drive. I thought Dart's 523 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 3: ability to throw a touch over the middle of the 524 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 3: field and get it over the linebacker level in front 525 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 3: of the safeties, I thought that was some pretty advanced 526 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 3: stuff with his ability to put some touch on the football. 527 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think some of the throws that he was 528 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 2: able to make, you know, when one of my my 529 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 2: probably my second note when it comes to physicals, makes 530 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 2: some really impressive athletic throws, you know, And so that's 531 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 2: the you know, I thought downfield the go ball was 532 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 2: awesome out of his and the post follow was awesome 533 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 2: out of his. But I'll go back to some of 534 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 2: those throws that you're talking about because sometimes, you know what, 535 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 2: that's why I when I don't love when people say 536 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 2: he makes all he can make all the throws. Don't care, 537 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 2: so I can go do it right now too. You 538 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 2: got to make the right throw at the right time. 539 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 2: So to your point, Sometimes you know it's man coverage 540 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 2: and it's clear underneath, and you've got a guy running 541 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 2: away and you got to pin it on his face mask, 542 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 2: and you want to get that ball right where that 543 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 2: guy's pinned on his face mask. You don't want too 544 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 2: much here on it because you don't want to give 545 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 2: makeup time, but you don't want it to be too 546 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: firm because you want your guy to be able to 547 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: go make a catch up play. And then there's times 548 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 2: when you know you got to the underneath coverage is 549 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: not deep enough and there's a void between them and 550 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 2: that in or crossing breaking runp But you just need 551 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 2: a little bit of a ball up over a firm 552 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 2: ball where it gets to that receiver before a defender 553 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 2: that's deeper, deeper, deeper kills them but doesn't get tipped 554 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: up in the air. And then there's some throws they 555 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 2: got to be stepped on right now, Like it's you have, 556 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 2: you know a guy that's seven yards and a guy 557 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 2: that's eight yards apart from each other type of thing, 558 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 2: and the windows coming and it's going to close very quickly, 559 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 2: and so you got to step on one and drive it. 560 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 2: And I think, yeah, that But that also is the 561 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 2: example of like why sometimes you like to run similar concepts, 562 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: You know, guys, because you've got a guy that you 563 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 2: have a lot of confidence in making that right throw 564 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 2: depended upon who's open. If you want to know how 565 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 2: a man and it's two minutes of crunch time football, 566 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 2: I'm your man. But if you're wondering about a long 567 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 2: term financial plan, you should talk to Citizens. Hey, I 568 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 2: can also talk long care. I'd like to learn about 569 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 2: Amolli routine. 570 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: Yes, I knew I could help make sense of your 571 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: money with Citizens. 572 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 3: All right, Now, you were a young quarterback in a 573 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 3: room trying to develop. You talked about it with when 574 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 3: you were at Steve Mariucci. What does this look like 575 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 3: for Jackson? Now you talked about the spring you're gonna 576 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 3: throw out at him. You bring out the fire hose. 577 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 3: See what he can figure out, See what he can do. 578 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 3: He's gonna play in training camp, He's gonna get reps 579 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 3: with the ones he's gonna play in preseason games. That's 580 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 3: all great. The thing I want to focus on you though, Dan, 581 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 3: once you get to the regular season, your snaps are gone. 582 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 3: You know, Russell Wilson's taking the stabs at practice. Maybe 583 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 3: you're getting scout team reps. What is that from your perspective, 584 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 3: you were in this What does that look like for 585 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 3: a young quarterback once the season starts, How do you 586 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 3: go about continuing to develop as a player without getting 587 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 3: in game or even a lot of the times practice reps. 588 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, so the assistant coaches kind of have to start 589 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 2: to hate you and like get super annoyed me. You 590 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: so again, I was young and trying to survive. You 591 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,959 Speaker 2: know in the league. Jackson obviously three billion times more talented, 592 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 2: so he's trying to go, you know, become a star. 593 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 2: I will what I would do, and you know what 594 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 2: a lot of younger quarterbacks would do is the night 595 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 2: before Bosch, give me the scriptive practice for tomorrow, Send 596 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,959 Speaker 2: it to me on my iPad or whatever we had 597 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 2: paper back then, and we would go in. I would 598 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: go in at like five or six in the morning, 599 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 2: depending on when the day would start, and I would 600 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 2: tell all the other like second and third team skill 601 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 2: guys and offensive linemen meet me and the you know, 602 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 2: the indoor facility at five thirty in the morning. We're 603 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 2: gonna go over the practice script. We're gonna run every 604 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 2: play that's in practice because we're not getting the reps now, 605 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 2: not full speed, you know, but a walk through, jog through. 606 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 2: We're in the huddel I away, get to a line 607 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 2: of scrimmage and now you run the line of scrimmage 608 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 2: and so you as the quarterback, get the reps of like, oh, 609 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 2: we've got week run here, but they're safeties down, so 610 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: you're like, hey, check, check checking. We're into the right 611 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 2: and everybody's on the same page. And then the next place, 612 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 2: we have this past concept called guds. We're gonna run 613 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 2: this versus cover three, and then you would do that. 614 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 2: I would. We would do that every day, and then 615 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 2: after practice we would probably would take like you're not 616 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 2: trying to kill guys, but get your working like the 617 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 2: seven on seven script, and I would we would run 618 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: seven on seven and maybe like the team pass script, 619 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: and we would run try to run those like relatively 620 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 2: full speed or spot your receivers up. And you'd have 621 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 2: a coach or two and be like do what you 622 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,959 Speaker 2: gotta do. You give me looks that I got to see, 623 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 2: and let's talk about if I'm doing the right thing. 624 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 2: So that would be an everyday thing, and then you 625 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 2: advance it. You know why we get to snap and 626 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 2: I'd yell it went to cover two. It went to 627 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: cover two, you know, and so you're you're trying to 628 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 2: fool yourself, You're trying to fool the defense. You'd have 629 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: a coach kind of do that in your back. And 630 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 2: then every rep in practice when you're sitting there watching, 631 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 2: you know, I'd walk I wasn't annoying. I'd walked up 632 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: to the huddle. I would listen to a what what 633 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 2: a matt shop would say or a Peyton Manning would say, 634 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 2: and I would Matthew Stafford. I'd listen to how they 635 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 2: would talk in the huddle. What were the thing that 636 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 2: I walk out and I would be ten yards behind 637 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 2: them and I would mirror what they were doing type 638 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 2: of thing. And so it's Ornie, yes, but it is 639 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 2: the way to get reps that gets you so much better. 640 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 2: And I think those would be the three things that 641 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 2: you know, I would emphasize. If I was Jackson, I 642 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 2: would emphasize if I was. 643 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: Those coaches, what can you learn just from the meeting 644 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: and classroom work? 645 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 3: Is that like mentally reading defenses even though you're not 646 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 3: doing it on the field, What can you learn just 647 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 3: from being in the room with a guy like Russell 648 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 3: Wilson and Jameis Winston? 649 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 2: Oh, have men's amounts of information? You know? They you 650 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 2: know guys, those guys have seen so much and have 651 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 2: had so much success. How they study, how they study tape? 652 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 2: You know Again, another complaint I have is I watch tape. 653 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 2: I watched the movies. You know, I'm not you got 654 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 2: to study tape. You know, what are you studying here? Hey, Russell? 655 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 2: On on Wednesday morning, when you come in and you 656 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 2: watch the you watch the third down cut up? Like, 657 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: what are you studying? You know, are you studying the front? 658 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 2: Are you studying the are you studying the corners? Like? 659 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 2: What are you? Where's your starting point? You know, what's 660 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 2: the defensive coordinators tendency? You know there's only football's math. 661 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 2: They only get eleven. So you know, it's it's it's 662 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 2: moving parts at some points. And so just trying to 663 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 2: figure out how those guys study is a big deal. 664 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 2: How they take their studying to the practice field. How 665 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 2: they communicate what they've seen within studying to their teammates, 666 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 2: to their coaches, you know, how they handle studying a 667 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: game plan. Do you memorize every single part of the 668 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 2: game plan? Do you memorize only the third downs? Do 669 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 2: you walk through the third downs in the meeting room? 670 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 2: Like what are you do? You get a blank reel? 671 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 2: Like one of the things Kopyak would do with us 672 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 2: that was great. Would he would give us a blank 673 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,479 Speaker 2: reel of defenses that we would you know, have on 674 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 2: tape and he would just call out a play, all right, 675 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 2: what are you doing? And we would have to answer 676 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 2: it like, oh gosh, I got a protection problem, you know, 677 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 2: played in real time, and so you know, I think 678 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: that you can just learn again a lot of how 679 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 2: guys go about, you know, making sure they're as prepared 680 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 2: as possible. 681 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: That's awesome. 682 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 3: I final question, Dan, this is probably unfair because you're 683 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 3: not going to be in the room and maybe there's 684 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 3: too many details pe you even give an answer on, 685 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 3: But when do you think we should first start even 686 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 3: thinking about making Jackson Dert the starter? Can this be 687 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 3: sooner than people think I've been telling people, why don't 688 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 3: we do some. 689 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: Trick or treating? First, go trick or. 690 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 3: Treating, get your candy, and then maybe we can, you know, 691 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 3: have a little lollipop. Then we can have the conversation 692 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 3: about it once you get into November. 693 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: What do you think? 694 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean obviously there's variables that impact that in 695 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 2: reality of that business. You know, how's the team doing. 696 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 2: Are they competitive or is the quarterback? Are you winning 697 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 2: with are you winning because are you winning a spieup? 698 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,479 Speaker 2: So that there's a lot of variables that go into that. 699 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 2: I mean, best case scenario is that Jackson doesn't play 700 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 2: till you know, Thanksgiving World. Do you want? 701 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: I like it you have the turkey? 702 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like that means that, like Russell or Jamis, 703 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 2: is good that they're they're still competitive and winning some games. 704 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 2: And you know, like I've been very outspoken, I believe 705 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 2: that you if you're the Giants, you want Brian be 706 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 2: able to coach this young man. I just believe that 707 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 2: that is the ideal situation for these guys, and so 708 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 2: you want to make sure that results allow that to 709 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 2: continue to happen. I'm aware of the reality of the business, 710 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 2: but I think you know Thanksgiving would be you know, 711 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 2: last year I also said I wouldn't have played Drake May, 712 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 2: and you know, New England was probably right in handling 713 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 2: and that some of that stuff. And so he's also 714 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 2: got the right makeup to handle some of the struggles. 715 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 2: That's part of what you got to figure out with 716 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 2: Jackson's like, hey, dude, like, can you handle some tough time? 717 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 2: Can you handle some failure in this market? Like you 718 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 2: got to You got to know that your guy can 719 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 2: do that. But I'd say around Thanksgiving would be like 720 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 2: probably more of an ideal thing in my mind. 721 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: All Right, I gotta do one more file up and 722 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: then we're gonna wrap it up. 723 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned you. 724 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,719 Speaker 3: Want Brian Dable coaching him, And I've consistently gotten from 725 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 3: people like you who understand offenses in the league, and 726 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 3: they're all universal praise for Brian Dable. And I try 727 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 3: to explain this to Giant fans. Why do you think 728 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 3: Brian Dable is so good at training up quarterbacks and 729 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 3: getting them ready to play in the NFL? 730 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think you have to go back 731 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 2: to part of you know, his journey with Josh and 732 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 2: it wasn't just Brian and nothing Josh. I mean, Josh 733 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,719 Speaker 2: obviously put in the time, but he was part of 734 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 2: like the springboard of taking Josh from you know, potential talented. 735 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 2: It's like being you know, an MVP type of player, 736 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 2: and obviously him winning it last year, and then you've 737 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 2: seen him take a player in Daniel that you know 738 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 2: had struggles and limited and probably made him beak out. 739 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 2: And so you've you've had his experience with two different 740 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 2: I guess starting quarterbacks in the NFL or different starting quarterbacks, 741 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 2: and he's taken one to about as high as you 742 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 2: can get a guy type of thing, and taken one 743 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 2: to about as high as you can get a guy. 744 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 2: Two very different physical talents, two probably very different mental talents. 745 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 2: And so when you do that in that league, that 746 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 2: tell as you guy can coach. He's also taken some other, 747 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 2: you know, pieces and allowed them to have some success. 748 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 2: We've seen some receivers that maybe aren't Wow names produce 749 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 2: for him. We've seen some tight ends that maybe aren't 750 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 2: Wow names produce for him. And so I think we've 751 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 2: watched this team remain somewhat competitive too, with you know, 752 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 2: a quarterback room that has been revolving. So you know, 753 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 2: I always look at a coach when it comes to 754 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 2: if you are depleted talent wise, can you just keep 755 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 2: them in it? It's almost like quarterback, can you keep 756 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 2: them in it? I'm not saying you got to go 757 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 2: fourteen and three? Can you keep them in it? And 758 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 2: then if you do have the necessary talent, can you 759 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 2: go win some games? I think that answer for him 760 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 2: is a pretty easy yes. 761 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 3: Hi, Dan, is there anything you want the fans and 762 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 3: know all about that you're up to, that you're doing, that 763 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,720 Speaker 3: you want to promote the floor is yours? 764 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: My friend? 765 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 2: No, man, you know I'm gonna take some time away, 766 00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 2: you know, like there's pockets, But no, I'm I say 767 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 2: I'll take some time a while. I'd probably be on 768 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 2: something tomorrow. So no. All good man, Hey. 769 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 3: Dude, we'd love to have you down in camp this year. 770 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 3: I know you're close by. Love to have you come 771 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 3: down check out Jackson. If you want to come, let me. 772 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 2: Know I want to come. The problem is, John, I 773 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 2: married a girl from Philadelphia and she is not a 774 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 2: New York sports fan. So it's like it's almost like 775 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 2: I would I don't lie to her, but I would 776 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 2: have to like lie like you know some people are like, 777 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 2: I'm going on a business trip and they got a 778 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 2: golf trip or something with their boys. I'd have to 779 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 2: figure out a way to like make her not know 780 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 2: that I'm going to to a giant scam. 781 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,760 Speaker 1: So, yeah, you're the best. 782 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 2: Man. 783 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: Really love watching your career go. You're doing a fantastic job. 784 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 3: And enjoy your rest of relaxation, because lord knows, we 785 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 3: back at it go on a thousand miles per hour 786 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 3: sooner than later. 787 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: Man, thanks so much for the time. 788 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 2: Hey Man, appreciate you. Bud. 789 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,439 Speaker 3: Oh, we thank Dan Orlowski. I love that guy. He's 790 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 3: the best, just real guys. He's super friendly, He's an 791 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,399 Speaker 3: awesome guy, and I'm so happy for success. And again, 792 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 3: he was with us when he was trying to get 793 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 3: into the business office quarterback stuff. I think he was 794 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 3: just doing YouTube stuff. He came on our shows and 795 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 3: we still text. He's been very loyal, he's he's he's 796 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 3: a good dude, and I'm so happy he's having the 797 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 3: success that he's had at UH at ESPN. So we 798 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 3: thank you dani Oloski for joining us right here on 799 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 3: the Johnsontle Podcast, Presented by Citizens, the Official Bank of 800 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 3: the Giants. We'll have continuing coverage of the Giants OTAs 801 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 3: the off season program. We'll keep doing stuff on the 802 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 3: draft picks. All of that and most of those podcasts 803 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 3: will come to you from the Hackensack Marine Health Podcast Studio. 804 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 3: Keep getting better for Danielaskyam, John Schmolke, We'll see you 805 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 3: next time. 806 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 2: Everybody,