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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday. I'm sorry, it's Tuesday, August twenty four,
Speaker 1: twenty one, Season seventeen, episode number twelve. Welcome to the
Speaker 1: latest edition of The Break. We are alive from the
Speaker 1: SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. Got Nick and Dave
Speaker 1: with me, and we're gonna talk some Cowboys football here
Speaker 1: for the next forty five minutes or so. We got
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about the Cowboys versus the Texans.
Speaker 1: Will break down that game and some of the things
Speaker 1: that these guys saw. Dave, I see you're very enthusiastic
Speaker 1: about that. We will also hopefully get to some players
Speaker 1: in our I get around segment. There's some players and
Speaker 1: I keep pushing this off because we get into our conversation.
Speaker 1: Our conversation conversations take the whole show. But there's some
Speaker 1: players that before this camp is over, we really need
Speaker 1: to allow you guys to let people know who they are.
Speaker 1: So I want to run through some of these if
Speaker 1: we can. Every day. You're paranoid that we won't have
Speaker 1: enough to talk about. I know one day you push
Speaker 1: the last secon. I underestimate how much we'd like to
Speaker 1: hear ourselves talk. You know what, No, we know what happened.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought that when Amber was out that
Speaker 1: we would have less talking. We don't like you guys.
Speaker 1: I told it. I was like I said, before train
Speaker 1: training camp start. I was like, me and Nick can
Speaker 1: talk to a wall, like you don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about that. She if she heard that, she would have
Speaker 1: been like, all right, right, because she's like she says,
Speaker 1: she never talks. Yeah, she talks enough, she gets her
Speaker 1: air time. I think she talks enough. Anyway, You're right,
Speaker 1: we can make this thing. Here's what I'm gonna do, though,
Speaker 1: I do want to talk first about a little news
Speaker 1: Cowboys find out yesterday and actually this all started on
Speaker 1: game day on Saturday. But there are now five players,
Speaker 1: well four players and a coach for the Cowboys who
Speaker 1: have been placed in the NFL's COVID nineteen Safety Protocol.
Speaker 1: That would be dan Quinn the defensive coordinator, and then
Speaker 1: Carlos Watkins, Ceedee Lamb, Malie Cooker and Israel muklmu Um.
Speaker 1: What does that mean for their availability at this point
Speaker 1: now that they're in the protocol. I mean it's hard
Speaker 1: to answer that definitively because we don't you know, vaccination
Speaker 1: status is not disclosed. Technically, we know the teams at
Speaker 1: ninety three percent, so it's a good guess most of
Speaker 1: if not all of them are vaccinated, just playing the numbers,
Speaker 1: and that makes it way easier, you know, dan quints
Speaker 1: dan Quinn has to be um soum. So the protocol
Speaker 1: if you're vaccinated is you need two negative tests within
Speaker 1: a forty eight hour period, so negative tests twenty four hours,
Speaker 1: negative tests twenty four hours, So if you're if you're
Speaker 1: if you are COVID negative, you can be back in
Speaker 1: two days. So and then if you which I guess
Speaker 1: there's a possibility that there's a breakthrough case among these guys.
Speaker 1: Feel like that probably would have hit the news cycle,
Speaker 1: like somebody would be reporting that if that had happened,
Speaker 1: But I guess we'll see. So if for some reason
Speaker 1: you have symptoms, then it's forty eight hours from your
Speaker 1: last known symptoms, so that could be probably. And then
Speaker 1: is it forty eight hours after your last own symptom
Speaker 1: and then you have to have passed it's so test
Speaker 1: or how's that work? Your symptoms subside and then you
Speaker 1: do the test twenty four hours, test twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: So that seems statistically pretty unlikely, but I guess possible.
Speaker 1: So we'll see. But I mean, if these guys are vaccinated,
Speaker 1: I think it's reasonable to think that they could be
Speaker 1: back by the end of this work week. Like and
Speaker 1: worst case scenario, let's assume it was a case where
Speaker 1: they actually literally had contracted the virus. Yeah, you're still
Speaker 1: talking maybe ten to twelve days, so and ideally you
Speaker 1: would think they'd be back before the season. We are.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're in a space where any of
Speaker 1: these guys are in jeopardy of missing season time, which
Speaker 1: this whole thing of having a week between the end
Speaker 1: of the you know, the last preseason game in the
Speaker 1: first regular season game, that's fantastic. Yeah, what's interesting is
Speaker 1: you know the fact that you know the cuts are today,
Speaker 1: you know, forgot an eighty to eighty right to eighty
Speaker 1: five to eighty got not five off. And I guess
Speaker 1: when you move a guy to the COVID list, he's
Speaker 1: technically off the roster, right, But you can't. I mean,
Speaker 1: these aren't guys that are going to get cut anywhere,
Speaker 1: so I don't know how long they'll be coming back on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you could feel like if if they're not available
Speaker 1: until Friday, Yeah, you could wait until Friday to make
Speaker 1: those moves if you wanted to. Yeah, for instance, let's say,
Speaker 1: let's just say a guy like Mkuamu, and that's how
Speaker 1: I think. I think that's how you say his name.
Speaker 1: I don't know you say Mukuamu or whatever, but I'm
Speaker 1: just going I'm just going on PR gave me. I know. Anyways,
Speaker 1: a guy like him who's on that list, you know,
Speaker 1: he probably won't play this this next game. I mean
Speaker 1: he could, but he just depends on how quickly he
Speaker 1: can get back, so he probably doesn't. So that might
Speaker 1: affect the cuts of Like, Okay, well, you know there's
Speaker 1: a safety sitting there that we haven't really heard much
Speaker 1: of all year, hasn't done a lot. Maybe he would
Speaker 1: be a guy that was cut, but then he wouldn't
Speaker 1: be if mcquamu's not playing this game. So it does
Speaker 1: affect you know, that does affect the roster moves right now.
Speaker 1: That brings up an interesting point. Obviously, guys like Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb and you could probably make the same case for
Speaker 1: Carlos Watkins, they're probably well definitely in Cede Lamb's case.
Speaker 1: On this team, there is no question. And then missing
Speaker 1: preseason games really doesn't matter which of the guys be
Speaker 1: it Between the other two. Do you think misses the
Speaker 1: most buy if they if they can't play this week
Speaker 1: and or next week, between the Lee Cooker and Israel
Speaker 1: Mukomo Mukuamo, for sure, I think um. I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: I know they didn't give him a lot of money,
Speaker 1: but I just think I think Hooker's here. You know,
Speaker 1: they signed him a week into camp, but he's also
Speaker 1: got to get himself ready to play. He's injured all
Speaker 1: last year, right, he doesn't. He doesn't strike me as
Speaker 1: the type that would be playing a ton of snaps
Speaker 1: in this game anyway, And I know what you said
Speaker 1: makes sense, but it's still you know, getting ready for
Speaker 1: the season, and he's a veteran. Sorry, Yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: was just gonna piggyback on that. I mean, what has
Speaker 1: he's shown when since he's been back that that isn't positive.
Speaker 1: I mean, like he's you know, in practice, he's made
Speaker 1: some plays in the game. I thought he kind of
Speaker 1: came in there and was physical and now they played
Speaker 1: something in the second half against maybe guys that are starters.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I think everything that he's done is
Speaker 1: pointing the arrow up there. And I know how Jerry
Speaker 1: and whole franchise loves to steal players. They want to
Speaker 1: steal talent. If you're a first round pick and you
Speaker 1: know you didn't work out here for whatever the reason,
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to capitalize on that. So unless Josh Rosen, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you were right, but I guarantee you they looked at
Speaker 1: it pretty you know, pretty closely. I'm sure they probably did,
Speaker 1: So you have to. I mean, and and so, I
Speaker 1: you know, here's a position of need. He's a guy
Speaker 1: that that's out there available, available because he's hurt, and
Speaker 1: he was hurt, and so I don't see why you
Speaker 1: would cut him, which I mean they could. The money's negligible,
Speaker 1: and you know they cut haha last year, like there's
Speaker 1: nothing stopping them, but you sort of the longer you
Speaker 1: do this, you can just kind of read situations like that.
Speaker 1: And the way that they've ramped him up and just
Speaker 1: been very cautious and deliberate about the whole thing, is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're trying to have him ready for the regular season,
Speaker 1: maybe not necessarily as a starter, but just somebody that
Speaker 1: they can rely on for depth and somebody who's done
Speaker 1: that before. Whereas mid to late sixth round pick, it's like,
Speaker 1: get out there and get all the reps you can
Speaker 1: and show us something, whereas with Hooker they're like, nah,
Speaker 1: you hang out and just get yourself ready. Yeah. Just
Speaker 1: to be clear, I wasn't even I wasn't thinking or
Speaker 1: suggesting that that Hooker would be cut. I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be on this team. I was thinking more and
Speaker 1: it goes back I was. I was listening to Brian
Speaker 1: brought us on our sister station on the fan after
Speaker 1: the game. He was kind of talking about the game
Speaker 1: and one of the things he noticed, which I think
Speaker 1: I noticed on a couple of plays. I think Brian
Speaker 1: has an obviously has a much better eye for this
Speaker 1: than I do, but it seemed like on a couple
Speaker 1: of situations, Hooker was a little late, like it's it's
Speaker 1: just like he's trying to get get his timing back,
Speaker 1: get his reaction back, his reaction time back, and and
Speaker 1: so that's where I was saying, like, I think reps
Speaker 1: for him right now matter getting him ready for the season.
Speaker 1: Reps matter for everybody, you would except for Dack. No,
Speaker 1: they matter for him too, Like it would be it
Speaker 1: would have been nice for him to get ten, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: But again, risk first reward. And is Mali Cooker not
Speaker 1: playing against Jacksonville gonna jeopardize his roster spot? Not at all.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. All Right, one other thing I
Speaker 1: want to hit you guys with. I was hopeful, as
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys are and everybody there listening, that
Speaker 1: this year was going to be different from the standpoint
Speaker 1: of going into every week and all the way up
Speaker 1: until game time just hoping and praying that your best
Speaker 1: players don't have some kind of positive tests or whatever.
Speaker 1: But we saw this week. Obviously things can creep up
Speaker 1: on you get to the game and literally you lose
Speaker 1: your DC once you're at the stadium and preparing to
Speaker 1: play a game. How equipped do you think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are to withstand situations like that going into the season
Speaker 1: you're talking about? Sorry, well, which situations are you talking about? Any?
Speaker 1: It could be any of those. Like I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: it from the standpoint of what happens if you get
Speaker 1: to game day and that's Mike McCarthy and he has
Speaker 1: to go home because he's you know, he's been put
Speaker 1: into the protocol. What happens if it's your offensive or
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. What happens if it's your quarterback? You know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different scenarios. My question for you is,
Speaker 1: and this talks to This speaks to depth, This speaks
Speaker 1: to um the kinds of coaches you have on your
Speaker 1: coaching staff. Do you have coaches who have experience doing
Speaker 1: other things that can step in in a pinch? Like
Speaker 1: how how do you think this team could react to
Speaker 1: those kinds of situations? How prepared are they? That's that
Speaker 1: Those are a lot of different questions because you're basically
Speaker 1: talking about the depth at all different levels. Let's just
Speaker 1: speak to the coaching staff first, and I'll let him
Speaker 1: talk about the players or whatever. But but from the
Speaker 1: coaching staff, I mean, this thing is designed to have,
Speaker 1: you have experience. That's what they they're banking on, is
Speaker 1: they have experience on the staff. I believe they have
Speaker 1: four coaches, four assistant coaches who have been a head
Speaker 1: coach at some point. Um, I don't I don't want
Speaker 1: to have to name them because I'm drawing a blank
Speaker 1: on them. But I think there's four. Philmin Quinn, Um, Wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm blanking John Fossil. Fossil was into him for a
Speaker 1: little while. There's yeah, there's two. I think there's I
Speaker 1: think there's actually one more as well. Um, but but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and so that kind of stuff happens now.
Speaker 1: Joe Witt was the guy that stepped in. He's been
Speaker 1: with both McCarthy and Quinn. Understands this defense, understand what
Speaker 1: Quinn's trying to do with the calls, So it was
Speaker 1: an easy move for him to slide in there. And
Speaker 1: mcadoo's the fourth one, and he's on the staff as well,
Speaker 1: and you know, he's brought in and he should be
Speaker 1: able to maybe help if something like that happens on
Speaker 1: the offensive side. And thus Myers got a lot of
Speaker 1: experience too. So I think that they're equipped that way.
Speaker 1: But but I think what they need to be ready
Speaker 1: for is have those conversations we always talk about and
Speaker 1: it's first and goal in the eight. I want to
Speaker 1: know if I've got four downs, get ahead of the game.
Speaker 1: Be like that. They need to be ahead of this thing.
Speaker 1: Go what happens if we just saw it in a
Speaker 1: preseason game? What happens in a regular season game? Because
Speaker 1: I could tell you this COVID doesn't care if it's
Speaker 1: preseason or regular season, and the NFL yeah, and then
Speaker 1: the NFL protocols don't care either, so it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: what it is, which maybe that's beneficial that obviously you'd
Speaker 1: prefer not, but you know, a little dry run that
Speaker 1: how to handle this um could be good. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't just the game either. I mean they went into
Speaker 1: the virtual They did their virtual mode for the last
Speaker 1: two days before they came back to work. So I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, if they're not equipped for this, from
Speaker 1: purely a logistical standpoint, shame on them, because you had
Speaker 1: a whole year of getting real used to it. And
Speaker 1: I yeah, so I think they're ready. Yes, I mean
Speaker 1: depth sure, I mean you can handle it if Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup goes down. But I mean you know, if Dak,
Speaker 1: I mean, if Dak had to leave the game, you're screwed.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that there's a whole lot
Speaker 1: you can do about that other than hope for the best.
Speaker 1: And that's why getting vaccinated it's important. Yeah, But I
Speaker 1: mean as we as we all know though, even when
Speaker 1: you're vaccinated, sure, if you come up with a positive
Speaker 1: test on a game day, right, you still got to
Speaker 1: sit for specific amount of time. Anything you can do
Speaker 1: to make that number as low as possible. Right. And
Speaker 1: and by the way, vaccinations help, supposedly, that's at least
Speaker 1: what we're told is the vaccinations help with making sure
Speaker 1: that maybe you don't get it in some situations where
Speaker 1: you would have gotten it otherwise. So I think there's
Speaker 1: all those things that are involved, and it just helps, right,
Speaker 1: And yeah, I like, yeah, there's there's no fool proof,
Speaker 1: there's no guarantee, and I know that bothers a lot
Speaker 1: of people. But bring that number down as much as
Speaker 1: you can. Ye, all right, we're gonna take our first
Speaker 1: break when we come back. Let's talk a little how
Speaker 1: Cowboys versus Texans. Cowboys lose that game twenty to fourteen,
Speaker 1: but there were definitely some things you can take from
Speaker 1: the game that we'll talk about when come right back.
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Speaker 1: Life in s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. Let's
Speaker 1: talk Cowboys versus Texans. Cowboys lose twenty fourteen at home
Speaker 1: in their what I guess is for them is their
Speaker 1: third preseason game for the league. Gets week two of
Speaker 1: the preseason. Let's start first. I want each you guys
Speaker 1: to give me an impression you came away from the
Speaker 1: game with just one. It can be about a player,
Speaker 1: it can be about the team, whatever you choose. A
Speaker 1: start with you Dave, first team defense. It was they're
Speaker 1: the only people that you know. I really feel like
Speaker 1: you could fairly evaluate. I got, you know, Cooper Rush
Speaker 1: coming in unexpectedly and playing well. But it was a
Speaker 1: dress rehearsal for the defense and oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: they didn't have the guy that calls their defense, Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn started the game behind the eight ball, you know,
Speaker 1: quick change, turnover in the red zone and all of
Speaker 1: that considered, I thought they played really well. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Texans are terrible, but they didn't allow a third
Speaker 1: down conversion while they were out there. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: they gave up the touchdown, but again, that possession started
Speaker 1: on like their sixteen yard line. Some questionable run defense
Speaker 1: there at the very beginning, but they got it. They
Speaker 1: got it buckled down. Parsons had a couple flash plays
Speaker 1: OsO Diggy Zooa continues to look pretty impress and just
Speaker 1: buy and large. I mean, they played an entire half
Speaker 1: and looked pretty good doing so. And I think that's
Speaker 1: the biggest sample size we have and it was encouraging,
Speaker 1: I albeit against a pretty bad offense. Ye speaking about Parsons,
Speaker 1: I think we all react at that one play when
Speaker 1: he was he got by the last scrimmage and he's
Speaker 1: chasing down a quarterback in the way. Just watching it
Speaker 1: in person and the closing speed that he had, it's
Speaker 1: not amazing. Doesn't do it justice to say, he got
Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage because he blitzed and the
Speaker 1: center picked him up, and he was like, Nope, you're
Speaker 1: not going to block me. Get the hell out of
Speaker 1: my way. You're a big guy, but I'm faster. And
Speaker 1: Osa did it like a stunt that kind of helped
Speaker 1: free him up. He took on. He came at the
Speaker 1: center from the other side and pushed him back into
Speaker 1: the into the guard, and so Osa had a big
Speaker 1: hand in freeing Parsons up to hurry that play. And
Speaker 1: so that's what I'm talking about when I say flash,
Speaker 1: I mean they had a couple moments like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody just hit the R two button on him back
Speaker 1: in the old guild No, you know, PlayStation just he
Speaker 1: just shot out of a can in it. YEA, all
Speaker 1: right for me. And I'm not pushing the panic button.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't my hands thot on it. But
Speaker 1: I'm locating. I know, I want to know where it is.
Speaker 1: So I just know where the panic button is. About
Speaker 1: this offensive line, oh I'm not there yet. I'm with you,
Speaker 1: but this offensive line hasn't looked great. They got a
Speaker 1: chance to be there together and it didn't look great.
Speaker 1: And you can say, yes, I think Dak will help everybody.
Speaker 1: I think Zeke helps everyone. But I didn't think this
Speaker 1: offensive line needed these all these guys to help them
Speaker 1: look good. I thought it was kind of the other
Speaker 1: way around. So they didn't look that great. The other night,
Speaker 1: Lyell's not looking too hot on the right side. Tying
Speaker 1: kind of is what it is. He's he's gonna be fine,
Speaker 1: I think, Zach. I think they're gonna be fine. But
Speaker 1: they didn't look good against the Texans, and it's just
Speaker 1: something I want to look at again. I didn't. I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't think they looked that bad. I expect, like
Speaker 1: once when Cooper got in there, it looked pretty good.
Speaker 1: I mean they went to seventy five yards in five plays.
Speaker 1: Lyle did get beat. Garrett held onto that ball for
Speaker 1: a long I put that on Garrett. He did, but
Speaker 1: it the I'm just looking at the play itself and
Speaker 1: the rep for Lyle. Yeah, that shocked me that he
Speaker 1: was because he was like his techniqueals all everything about
Speaker 1: it just looked bad. And I was like, That's not
Speaker 1: what I was expecting from Lyle. If that were Steel
Speaker 1: out there, I'd be like, Okay, Gil, what you gotta
Speaker 1: get of the ball. You're kind of my hell, I'm
Speaker 1: expecting more. You know, he looks rusty. He does. That's
Speaker 1: and I think you could see it Summit training camp.
Speaker 1: Now he he looks. I mean he's and he's lost
Speaker 1: some some weight, which I don't he's lost a lot
Speaker 1: of strength, but he's been the type of guy that's
Speaker 1: kind of been able to sort of overpower people, and
Speaker 1: he just doesn't he doesn't have that right now. Hopefully
Speaker 1: he gets that back and he gets gets in a groove,
Speaker 1: but I'm not I'm not gonna say that, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's time to worry just yet. But I think
Speaker 1: you kind of have your eyes on them because you're
Speaker 1: expecting so much from them. Yeah, Honestly, the reason why
Speaker 1: I even noticed that play initially when that happened with
Speaker 1: Lyle is because there'd been moments I just noticed here
Speaker 1: and there where I was like, you know, somebody would
Speaker 1: beat him around the edge, and I'm like, that's not
Speaker 1: what I'm used to sing, And so I made it
Speaker 1: a point going into this game I wanted to watch
Speaker 1: Lyle a little bit more for the time he was
Speaker 1: out there, and then that play happened. And it just
Speaker 1: kind of I don't know, it's just not what I'm
Speaker 1: used to sing for. Okay, I'm gonna take you back
Speaker 1: the two to three years of training camp. We thought
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods was ready to be a baller because he
Speaker 1: kept he was beating Travis Frederick constantly. Yeah, come to
Speaker 1: find out, Travis Frederick is not to break some news somebody,
Speaker 1: I'm not breaking news. I'm just saying we were kind
Speaker 1: of fooled because Travis Frederick was not one hundred percent
Speaker 1: He actually retired for the season or was I R
Speaker 1: forsed to retire? Sorry, it was I R for the season.
Speaker 1: And so it was like, okay, well that's why. Well
Speaker 1: now I'm trying to figure is Drance Armstrong just just
Speaker 1: kicking everyone's ass or is Lyle not what he was before?
Speaker 1: You know? That's that's my point out, and that that
Speaker 1: could be part of it, that dran'ce is just taking
Speaker 1: that next step, because everything about his camp was certainly,
Speaker 1: you know, noteworthy, and we talked a lot about it.
Speaker 1: The question is which was like, were they really battling
Speaker 1: or was it a situation where Lyle maybe is just
Speaker 1: rusty and it's gonna have to work back, and I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a coincidence that Lyle's played more than
Speaker 1: any of the starting five. I mean he played in Canton,
Speaker 1: which is I mean, for guys on seventy million dollars
Speaker 1: contracts don't play in the Hall of Fame game very often,
Speaker 1: So I don't And you know, yeah, he's looked rusty
Speaker 1: for a more like on and off throughout training camp.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're right, and he yeah, I think he
Speaker 1: just needs time probably, But Darence was beaten more than Lyle.
Speaker 1: So Rance has beaten a lot of guys turns on
Speaker 1: other teams too. He beat up on Tyrn in practice
Speaker 1: like a week ago, like he beat Tyrant two or
Speaker 1: three times for SAX. So yeah, I don't want to
Speaker 1: and I'm with you, Nick, I guess the point is
Speaker 1: I don't want to hit the alarm button because I
Speaker 1: implicitly trust these offensive linemen when they're healthy, to be good. Now,
Speaker 1: healthy is more of an issue to me than rust.
Speaker 1: I feel like they can work back from that. I
Speaker 1: feel like they'll work into form. I feel like by
Speaker 1: about week three four, this offensive line, as long as
Speaker 1: they're healthy, will be clicking and you will see the
Speaker 1: production that you expect to see from them. I do
Speaker 1: think though right now, I'm a little bit like, okay,
Speaker 1: I need to see that progression, like I need to
Speaker 1: see you getting a little bit better and getting back
Speaker 1: in that form. I would argue that they progressed in
Speaker 1: that game. First possession looked awful, second possession not a
Speaker 1: lot better. Third possession was rush and they just right
Speaker 1: down the field. How long did the ones stay out
Speaker 1: there on the offensive line? They were there for at
Speaker 1: least two series with Cooper and they yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and then scored two touch they you have to ask,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know this. How long were the
Speaker 1: defensive starters for Houston? And again, this is not That's
Speaker 1: not a roster that should impress you, at least not
Speaker 1: at the top. So, I mean, I get it, but
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not that worried about the offensive line yet,
Speaker 1: while still allowing that you are right that they haven't
Speaker 1: looked up to the standard that we held for them.
Speaker 1: But everybody standard. Everybody will help each other. You know,
Speaker 1: Dak will help them, The line should help Dak zeke
Speaker 1: vice versa. All that. So get all the pieces in,
Speaker 1: let's see how it works. Let's talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about the quarterbacks. Cooper Rush was ten of twelve ninety
Speaker 1: seven yards passing two touchdowns. Karrett Gilbert was three of
Speaker 1: five or thirty yards, zero touchdowns and also had a
Speaker 1: fumble lost. Where do you think that backup QB battle
Speaker 1: stands at this point? Can we just have a larger
Speaker 1: conversation for a second about some of the decision making
Speaker 1: that's happening here. Absolutely. I thought about it with Malie
Speaker 1: Cooker as well. It's like, we don't want him. He's
Speaker 1: not he's not in the offseason program, he's not part
Speaker 1: of the install in the spring, and then like two
Speaker 1: days into camp they're like, yeah, we want him, never mind.
Speaker 1: And maybe he wasn't healthy, but like he could assigned
Speaker 1: him and had him here training and getting up to snuff.
Speaker 1: That's weird, weird that that was when they decided to
Speaker 1: do it. Weird that they decided to work Connor Williams
Speaker 1: at center two days into training camp, not during the
Speaker 1: spring or any other time during the four years that
Speaker 1: he's been here. And it's weird that this became a
Speaker 1: quarterback competition a week before camp's over, because as sure
Speaker 1: as hell, hasn't been up to this point. Am I
Speaker 1: mistaken about that? Garrett Gilbert has been the guy? Is
Speaker 1: that good? Sorry? I was going to ask this question.
Speaker 1: Is that because up until this point, maybe they hadn't
Speaker 1: seen enough from Cooper Rush had made them think he's
Speaker 1: really battling for this position. They never gave him a shot.
Speaker 1: I mean he was he never He had not taken
Speaker 1: a rep with starters until he went into that game, right,
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying like, is that not because maybe
Speaker 1: something they've seen over the last week or two made
Speaker 1: them say, hey, we ought to give him a shot.
Speaker 1: And Gilbert wasn't having the great start there, so maybe
Speaker 1: that that all kind of call ned in him getting
Speaker 1: that shot, right, Maybe I did, maybe so like he
Speaker 1: looked that amazing as the second string quarterback for enough
Speaker 1: consecutive practices and then which you know, it sounds like
Speaker 1: maybe that was their plan to give him more time.
Speaker 1: But like the optics of Gilbert in the dress rehearsal game,
Speaker 1: the optics of him getting yanked after two possessions certainly
Speaker 1: made it look like he had done something wrong, which
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't look good, So that's a fair point,
Speaker 1: But it just you know, again, like when you're you're
Speaker 1: here every day looking at it and seeing who's taking
Speaker 1: the first team reps, who's doing this in the walkthrough,
Speaker 1: And there hasn't been a single indication this entire time
Speaker 1: that it was much of a competition. Maybe those are
Speaker 1: conversations that are different behind closed doors, but it's just
Speaker 1: it's interesting to me, And to answer your question, I
Speaker 1: don't know what the hell is going to happen. So
Speaker 1: now Hooper's taken the first team reps all this week, supposedly,
Speaker 1: you'd imagine he's going to play a lot against Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: And this is huge because whoever's the backup, whoever is
Speaker 1: not the backup, the likely do as they're not on
Speaker 1: this team, right, yeah, I mean they could be on
Speaker 1: the practice squad. True. I mean, because I think I
Speaker 1: still think you can get those guys on the practice
Speaker 1: squad if you don't want to put Denucci on there,
Speaker 1: and uh, we'll get to him. Wow, We'll get to him. Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean, Okay, I get it. He's not he's not Romo.
Speaker 1: He's not he's not gonna be He's probably not gonna
Speaker 1: be that. We we compared him a lot to it.
Speaker 1: He's not there yet. But I mean if you want
Speaker 1: to develop him, the practice squad and the scout team
Speaker 1: is a good place to do it. Uh, he will have.
Speaker 1: He will be more beneficial on the scout team than
Speaker 1: Garrett Gilbert or Cooper Rush if they are on it way,
Speaker 1: because he's he's athletic. He helps you more. He helps
Speaker 1: you more when the players that kick their ass, like
Speaker 1: a Kyler Murray that runs all over the place or
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson that runs all over the place, he will
Speaker 1: give them a better look for what they might see
Speaker 1: than a guy I like Cooper Rush or Garrett Gilbert.
Speaker 1: So in my opinion, I think he's the guy that
Speaker 1: stays on those on the practice squad. And I think
Speaker 1: if they whoever they cut between Gilbert or Rush, they
Speaker 1: probably don't. That's my thought. That's I completely agree with you,
Speaker 1: And if I had to guess, I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: if Tanuci winds up on the practice squad for that
Speaker 1: very reason. You know they used to use after they
Speaker 1: transition Jamille Showers to safety, they would use him as
Speaker 1: the practice squad quarterback when they played a mobile quarterback
Speaker 1: like that. Stuff's useful, and you know practice during the
Speaker 1: season is not what we see out here, like, that's
Speaker 1: not what you see in Oxnard. You know you're it's
Speaker 1: it's basically a glorified walkthrough to give the team looks
Speaker 1: at what the opposition does. Now, I will say this though,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like every guy on the on
Speaker 1: the roster, every guy on the every quarterback that they
Speaker 1: face is going to be a running quarterback. So I
Speaker 1: guess you do have to to ask the question, is
Speaker 1: or is he going to give them a good look
Speaker 1: with throwing the ball and beating this guy and all that,
Speaker 1: because you know, because you got you got some of
Speaker 1: those got a face. But again, like and we obviously
Speaker 1: and bend Nucci has not been good. Let's be clear,
Speaker 1: but the quality of the throw is not that important
Speaker 1: in practice. I know that sounds stupid, but it's more about,
Speaker 1: like what concepts are we looking at? What can the
Speaker 1: quarterback do? Where's he going to throw the ball from,
Speaker 1: where's the receiver on this particular play that they like
Speaker 1: to run? Like whether or not the throw is worth
Speaker 1: a crap isn't as important as giving the team a
Speaker 1: look at what's going to happen on Sunday, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense, and if a guy gets beat deep in
Speaker 1: a scout team, Reggie Davis or whoever it is, has
Speaker 1: got your guy beat and the ball's not there. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know he was still beat. You still he was beat.
Speaker 1: You still know that Denucci could throw it fifteen yards
Speaker 1: over the guy's head and it looks like crap from
Speaker 1: the outside, and the coaches are like, yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: Russ is going to do on Sunday and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be right where it needs to be. So now you know,
Speaker 1: now you need kind of yeah, you can watch that
Speaker 1: and see. But so, I mean, that's why, that's why
Speaker 1: he could be beneficial. That's a reason right there. You
Speaker 1: also for practice. All practice squad spots though, are also
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a lot of ways to look
Speaker 1: at it. If it's close between Gilbert and Rush, and
Speaker 1: right now, we always we're going game by games, so
Speaker 1: we think, oh, it's not close because Russia looks way better.
Speaker 1: But let's say it is. Let's say it's pretty close.
Speaker 1: Because it has been a close competition. You know, you
Speaker 1: can still put a guy on the practice squad and
Speaker 1: then he's still in the mix for if something were
Speaker 1: to happen to your quarterback. You could move him. You know,
Speaker 1: Danucci's not playing any games so and he's not probably
Speaker 1: a guy you're gonna have developed for the future. I
Speaker 1: just don't I don't see it out of him. I
Speaker 1: don't see anything that's not gonna say like he's gonna
Speaker 1: do it. So I can make a case if I'm
Speaker 1: in a debate class, and I wouldn't want to be
Speaker 1: against you since you're a state champion, But if I'm
Speaker 1: in the debate class, I could take the side to
Speaker 1: keep in Denucci. I could also say, you're going to
Speaker 1: Canada because that's what your career is. Keep him, keep
Speaker 1: him meaning on the practice squad right, keep him meaning
Speaker 1: on the problem he's not fit your back. I'm I
Speaker 1: am sick of the over the top hate that de
Speaker 1: Nucci has been getting. And to be clear, he's been
Speaker 1: really bad, but he's the fourth quarterback. Like but the
Speaker 1: venom that people build up for this guy, well, that's
Speaker 1: also because you gotta understand the nuance to that, because
Speaker 1: people feel like it was a pick that was made
Speaker 1: out of personal relationship more so than out of out
Speaker 1: of out of the guy's ability, and so far on
Speaker 1: the field, you haven't seen the ability he was picked
Speaker 1: ten spots from the ship just because they went to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: Like that, that the narrative. I'll tell you this, that's
Speaker 1: what you see on that. I think that's what you
Speaker 1: see on social media. A lot of the narrative is
Speaker 1: still here. McCarthy has a tie to him because they're
Speaker 1: from Pittsburgh and he knows his like youth basketball coach.
Speaker 1: That's that's the narrative. And again I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: right here. Then I'm not saying that narrative is right.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is what I'm saying is that's why
Speaker 1: the venom is out there. So just understand that's why
Speaker 1: people are acting in the way they We're talking about
Speaker 1: a guy that was picked like ten spots from the
Speaker 1: end of the draft. I I just and not like
Speaker 1: nobody's a bigger draft geek than me, but like, I
Speaker 1: don't understand how people can work up that much emotion
Speaker 1: about players who don't matter. Basically that I mean, and
Speaker 1: no offense to men. But now if he manages to
Speaker 1: get up to where they thought, for what for any reason,
Speaker 1: they thought he was the backup quarterback, then he does matter.
Speaker 1: But that's my point. It's like it's not going to happen, right,
Speaker 1: And even I'm sitting here defending Ben d Nucci. If
Speaker 1: he's on the fifty three, I will free you're ready,
Speaker 1: I will be ready to be mad. If he's on
Speaker 1: the fifth. I think we all agree on that. That
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah. Anyway, Um, I'll step out on a
Speaker 1: limb and say, the backup quarterback is on this roster
Speaker 1: for better or for worse. I agree with you, because
Speaker 1: there's not going to be There won't be somebody available
Speaker 1: that they're willing to pay for, Like you're not going
Speaker 1: to trade for somebody from Chicago. If they get cut,
Speaker 1: they're probably gonna have a better market than what the
Speaker 1: cowboys are gonna be willing to pay. They're Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: said it this morning, like they are. They are bending
Speaker 1: over backward to let you know that their investment is
Speaker 1: in the starter. They're like, well, what can you do
Speaker 1: when you pay? I think, but it's it's harder. It
Speaker 1: is much harder. I acknowledge that if you're a backup
Speaker 1: quarterback that is available and he's got some experience, and
Speaker 1: let's say he's got some interest from other teams, when
Speaker 1: you're looking at your options and the money is going
Speaker 1: to factor into it as well. But let's just say
Speaker 1: that it kind of it's about even you think that
Speaker 1: Cowboys are an intriguing team for that for that player
Speaker 1: with with Dak coming off an ankle and career, with
Speaker 1: Dak has a shoulder, you know, a strain, and that
Speaker 1: he's missed all the training camp. I mean, do you
Speaker 1: look at it and go up, man, I could come
Speaker 1: here and maybe because Andy Dalton came to Dallas knowing
Speaker 1: that Dak could never missed the game ever, and then
Speaker 1: he plays a lot and that that helped him that
Speaker 1: game that got him more money. It doesn't look like
Speaker 1: it's going to happen, but man like and not in
Speaker 1: like a like I'm not reveling in somebody's misfortune. But
Speaker 1: it would just be kind of funny if Dalton was
Speaker 1: the odd man out in Chicago and was like, well,
Speaker 1: I do have that house in Dallas, like it could happen.
Speaker 1: It's not, you just never know, but that would be
Speaker 1: that would be pretty shocked. So I don't think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys would be willing to pay what another team would
Speaker 1: be willing to pay. Probably some team at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the season this year is going to lose their quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's just the nature of the NFL. So if he's
Speaker 1: sitting out, even if he waits a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: if he's sitting out there, he's gonna make more money
Speaker 1: going to that team to be their presumptive starter than
Speaker 1: he would make as a backup that's got signed at
Speaker 1: the end of training camp for the Cowboys. We're not
Speaker 1: right about a lot, but I just I vividly remember,
Speaker 1: we're not right about everything, is what I should say.
Speaker 1: But I vividly remember, like December, before last season was
Speaker 1: even over, we were just like, yeah, like they're gonna
Speaker 1: come to an under They're gonna come to an agreement
Speaker 1: with that. They're gonna pay him and Garrett Gilbert will
Speaker 1: be your backup because Penny's on the dollar. And that's
Speaker 1: I mean, it might be Cooper Rush, but that's what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. All Right, We're gonna take our final break.
Speaker 1: We'll come back. I do want to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about a couple of defensive guys and how they
Speaker 1: perform in this Cowboys versus Texans game. We'll be right back.
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Speaker 1: talk about the defense to Broll Cox, he continues to
Speaker 1: impress here in the preseason, how much do you how
Speaker 1: much do you anticipate he will play at linebacker when
Speaker 1: the regular season begins? Or is he really just trying
Speaker 1: to make this team and he's probably gonna be a
Speaker 1: special teams guy for now? He ain't trying to make Jack.
Speaker 1: He's on he's on the D he's been on the team. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean he's making a case for why he should play.
Speaker 1: It's hard to make the numbers worked to be honest
Speaker 1: with I mean, we do we want to do that.
Speaker 1: You want to do this? Yet, we'll take that. You
Speaker 1: want to talk about I think number nine, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that. And I think you keep six linebackers active
Speaker 1: to the game, wow, to the game? Okay, yeah? Is that?
Speaker 1: I thought five was normal to the game. Six It's
Speaker 1: fine if two of them are going to be core
Speaker 1: special teams guys, which I believe Gifford and Cox will be.
Speaker 1: So do you think Gifford's gonna make the teams? I
Speaker 1: think I think you keep six. For sure, I would
Speaker 1: put them on. I think who I mean Francis Bernard
Speaker 1: as he played No, But I'm looking at some other
Speaker 1: positions where I'm looking at other positions. This is not
Speaker 1: about linebacker. This is about I'm worried about being able
Speaker 1: to what my cut's gonna be on the defensive line.
Speaker 1: I'm worried about the secondary. What the number I'm gonna
Speaker 1: need to keep there? Um, I think there are some
Speaker 1: positions you maybe you want that six wide receiver. I
Speaker 1: think there are a number of positions on this team
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I think I might want an extra guy. Linebackers,
Speaker 1: one where I feel like it's a luxury to have
Speaker 1: an extra guy because I think five give me a
Speaker 1: lot of Like, I think I can get a lot
Speaker 1: out of those five. I hear you, but I mean
Speaker 1: this is a I don't think to a backup at
Speaker 1: each spot is really deep. I mean, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: play even if you play four three, if you play
Speaker 1: four to three, that's a backup at each spot. That's
Speaker 1: not you know, three linebackers, six guys. That's not overly deep,
Speaker 1: even especially if you play a three fourth game, even
Speaker 1: though some of those ends would be defensive pass rushers.
Speaker 1: I think six is a solid number. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's it's heavy. I think it's probably just I mean,
Speaker 1: we'll get into next Monday, we're gonna do a show,
Speaker 1: We're gonna try to cut the roster, and I think
Speaker 1: that's when we can really kind of break those things down.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Dave, I just you know, fifty three players,
Speaker 1: twenty five offense, twenty five defense, three specialists. My guests
Speaker 1: would just be you can go heavier on defense with
Speaker 1: this roster, Like, I think the offensive positions are going
Speaker 1: to look a lot lighter. Two quarterbacks, three running backs.
Speaker 1: Could probably even get away with having two if you
Speaker 1: really wanted to, because I mean doubt all goes to
Speaker 1: the practice squad or whatever. But three running backs, three
Speaker 1: tight ends for sure, Like, I can't think of why
Speaker 1: you would need more than that, And if Connor Williams
Speaker 1: is your sinner, you could even maybe get away with
Speaker 1: going light at offensive line. I get that that might
Speaker 1: bother people, but haven't seen anything from Terren Steel and
Speaker 1: Tie and Seki that makes you think that they gotta
Speaker 1: have both. So you know, maybe you could even go
Speaker 1: eight or nine on the offensive line instead of nine
Speaker 1: or ten, and then that opens you up you can
Speaker 1: go heavy at every defensive position, and I think they should. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Millie Cooker. He's got his first action
Speaker 1: in the preseason. What'd you guys see from him? I
Speaker 1: agree with what you said that. I agree with what
Speaker 1: you said that. Brian said that, you know, he looked
Speaker 1: like he was getting reacclimated. I thought, you know, I
Speaker 1: think of him as a coverage guy. It was a
Speaker 1: nice tackle. He laid on that receiver going over the middle,
Speaker 1: like one of the first plays of the third quarter.
Speaker 1: He also came flying in on run support in the
Speaker 1: middle of a like it was just behind the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. No, I don't know if he was feeling
Speaker 1: great after that play. He kind of maybe got the
Speaker 1: worst of it, but he was. He was in there.
Speaker 1: He was in the especially for a guy that's free safety.
Speaker 1: I look at that position. I've always thought the safety position,
Speaker 1: especially in the last fifteen twenty years, is an interchangeable spot.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think gone are the days that you've
Speaker 1: got the you know, hard hitting Ronnie Lott guy, and
Speaker 1: you've got your ball hawking safety. That's a free safety.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of them can kind
Speaker 1: of play both roles. So sorry, I think Barry, like
Speaker 1: Barry Church was, you know, Kean O'Neill, I'm sure was
Speaker 1: more of a strong safety and all that. But these
Speaker 1: guys can do multiple things. So I do think Kauzee
Speaker 1: and Hooker could both play together if they're out there,
Speaker 1: and Donovan Wilson too. That's it was either our mail
Speaker 1: bag today or yesterday. But somebody was like, well, mail
Speaker 1: ban couldn't Kazy and Hooker conceivably play at the same time.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, I don't expect that
Speaker 1: to happen, because you got you want to find a
Speaker 1: way to get Donovan Wilson on the field. And again,
Speaker 1: you know, they are interchangeable, but one I think is
Speaker 1: still a little bit more physical than the other. But
Speaker 1: I definitely think that's something that could happen. And they
Speaker 1: also used the three safety look at one point during
Speaker 1: that game, so you could have the two of him
Speaker 1: out there with Donovan Wilson. So that's that's interesting, you know.
Speaker 1: I it's easy to just think of it as, yeah,
Speaker 1: like he's a free so he's got to play free,
Speaker 1: and that's not necessarily true. So talking to me about
Speaker 1: Bradley and I I think he had a there was
Speaker 1: one play I remember specifically. It was a really nice
Speaker 1: tackle for a loss. He had He kind of kind
Speaker 1: of stone wall the defensive I think it was either
Speaker 1: a tight end or a or a tackle. I was
Speaker 1: trying to move him and he kind of kept the
Speaker 1: edge on him, set the edge and then makes the
Speaker 1: tackle behind a line of scrimmage. My question for you
Speaker 1: guys is is there a room for him if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are going to have Chauncey Gholston on the final
Speaker 1: roster without moving him to some sort of pup or
Speaker 1: I R or whatever like that. Is there room for
Speaker 1: him actually to make this team? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't see. I mean, I forget the room.
Speaker 1: How about the need? Is there a need for him
Speaker 1: to be on the team. I don't. I mean, other
Speaker 1: than you want to keep developing him, But I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think he's a practice squad guy.
Speaker 1: If he gets claimed, he gets he gets claimed. I mean,
Speaker 1: I and less you think he's better than bash him,
Speaker 1: which I don't think that they think that way. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's Dorn's armstrong. I believe is better than Bashaim,
Speaker 1: or at least he's showing that. Either way. Those are
Speaker 1: your third and fourth pass rushers. And I think when
Speaker 1: it's all said and done, I think they're gonna keep
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith on the team. I think Jaalen Smith is
Speaker 1: going to be more of a pass rusher than any
Speaker 1: other thing. And I think he's a guy that rushes
Speaker 1: off the edge more than he does anything else. Have
Speaker 1: we seen him doing a lot of that? So far.
Speaker 1: I think I've seen more Parsons doing that than him, right,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen Jalen doing him out. That means neither
Speaker 1: have the Bucks, neither have the Chargers, neither have I mean,
Speaker 1: I think Jalen Smith will be rushing in the pastor
Speaker 1: I think that you gotta if you're gonna keep him,
Speaker 1: and I think that's an if. But if you're gonna
Speaker 1: keep him, you gotta figure out where to play him.
Speaker 1: And I think he's a straight line runner. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's a backpeddler. I don't think he's a side
Speaker 1: to side. I don't think he's a reactor. I think
Speaker 1: he's a go get the guy, use your god given
Speaker 1: ability to go up there and smash someone. That's a
Speaker 1: lot of money to be your fifth that's pass rusher.
Speaker 1: That part of it's not even that was in March.
Speaker 1: They decided in March he was worth it and a
Speaker 1: lot of money. So he's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: money whether or not he's on this to football team
Speaker 1: or another football team or nowhere. I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of money. So now you got to figure out that.
Speaker 1: I mean that Hays in the barn on that. Now
Speaker 1: you got to figure out where to play him. And
Speaker 1: I think he's a pass rusher more than anybody. But
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying though, is like here, here,
Speaker 1: what you're saying, But when does he get that opportunity?
Speaker 1: Who are you going to take off the field to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: put him out there to do that when he's the
Speaker 1: fifth best guy, sixth best guy, Maybe that does that
Speaker 1: on your team. Well not only that, which sorry and
Speaker 1: I've been saying that for two years, but like watching
Speaker 1: him in the preseason, I'm like, it's even fast enough
Speaker 1: to rush the quarter I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: that he is he even fast enough to rush the
Speaker 1: quarterback right now? No, you're right, you're right, And that's
Speaker 1: why you know. It's it's like, you know, like when
Speaker 1: they do when they go to two tight ends. I
Speaker 1: mean there's a reason, and they do it because they
Speaker 1: want to be able to show you could run, we
Speaker 1: could pass out of this. You don't know what we're doing.
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to be that element where he can
Speaker 1: pull back and be in coverage, you know, hold your breath,
Speaker 1: or he's gonna be rushed the passer on. But again,
Speaker 1: I think there are other guys that do that better
Speaker 1: already on this team, Which that's why I'm like talking
Speaker 1: about you're talking about the armstrong bash him and well
Speaker 1: if you're talking about that can also pull out, I
Speaker 1: mean they also you know, drop it to coverage thing
Speaker 1: also drop it to coverag I'm talking about Parsons obviously,
Speaker 1: Like he's the guy that also can drop into coverage,
Speaker 1: he can blitz, he can do all that. So why
Speaker 1: would I want to put Jalen in that type of
Speaker 1: position when I got a guy who does that extremely well, Well,
Speaker 1: just because they can do it from a different way,
Speaker 1: because he could do it and from the middle of
Speaker 1: the field linebacker, he can move back into the line.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just there's different aspects of it. And
Speaker 1: you're talking about guys that are like pass rushers that
Speaker 1: I think there's an element of surprise that he could
Speaker 1: blitz or he could he could you know, pull back
Speaker 1: into coverage. I just never, honestly, and we've talked about this,
Speaker 1: I know both of you guys have talked about this.
Speaker 1: I've never really seen Jalen be a really good pass
Speaker 1: rushing all right, I've seen I've seen him rushed before,
Speaker 1: and i've seen most of the time he gets washed out.
Speaker 1: So I'm all right, I'm gonna railroad the show. Okay,
Speaker 1: But so what do you want to do. You're you're
Speaker 1: your business, You're a business savvy guy. Here, You've already
Speaker 1: spent nine million dollars on it. You've already you've already
Speaker 1: bought this car or this house, and it leaks oil. Okay,
Speaker 1: what do you want to do with it? You've already
Speaker 1: bought it, and you can't sell it. Here's my thing.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I want to take it out for
Speaker 1: a drive if I know it's gonna break down while
Speaker 1: I'm out on the drive. So it's one of those
Speaker 1: things where I may have already sunk the cost. And
Speaker 1: if that's the case, I'll keep it in parked in
Speaker 1: my driveway. It's gonna look good my driveway. People are
Speaker 1: gonna drive by, they're gonna say that guy is a
Speaker 1: great car. But at the end of the day, I'm
Speaker 1: not driving it because I don't want to necessarily break down.
Speaker 1: I hate breaking down while I'm out, and that means
Speaker 1: I gotta call somebody come pick me up, toe the
Speaker 1: thing back to my house so we can look pretty.
Speaker 1: Now it's gonna look pretty on the back of the
Speaker 1: told truck. I'm sorry, I'm just not that's not my thing.
Speaker 1: This sounds like this sounds like I had set him
Speaker 1: up for this earlier that and did not that was
Speaker 1: great saying like that. I don't see him as being
Speaker 1: And again, I know sometimes it comes off as with
Speaker 1: bashon Jalen. I'm not trying to bash Jalen. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at this training camp and I'm looking at all these
Speaker 1: linebackers they got, and they got a ton of linebackers
Speaker 1: that can play. I don't think Jalen is better than him.
Speaker 1: I think right now Jalen is fourth. No, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: he's probably fifth best linebacker on this team. I don't
Speaker 1: think you make a role for him if he's not
Speaker 1: the best one to do that role. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily disagree with anything you're saying. I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm mister Bayou Bengal. I'm not ready to put Cox
Speaker 1: over him, just in the sense that you know, he's
Speaker 1: playing backups. It's still the preseason and he's been great.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm not ready yet. I'm not ready to
Speaker 1: say that it's upside. Of course, it's there. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: but but ahead, that's beside the point. Even at best,
Speaker 1: he's still the fourth linebacker on this team. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the Cowboys need to have the
Speaker 1: guts to limit him to like a role that would
Speaker 1: see him on the field thirty percent of the time
Speaker 1: or less. Honestly, So here's a question, you won't I think.
Speaker 1: I didn't say that. I didn't say that they wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I just they need to have the guts to do.
Speaker 1: But but here's the question. So that all being said,
Speaker 1: name a role where he is at least third best
Speaker 1: on this team at that role or I mean I
Speaker 1: don't that's whatever, but early early down's base package. If
Speaker 1: he wants if they if you want to put him
Speaker 1: out there as the sam in situations where do you
Speaker 1: feel confident that they're going to run the ball, that's okay.
Speaker 1: He can still do some of the third best. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't put him third bas best, But I mean, who
Speaker 1: who would would you put over? I mean, I think
Speaker 1: I would take Neil over him. I can. I mean,
Speaker 1: because my issue with Jalen is more I don't think
Speaker 1: he I don't think his pre snap I didnification of
Speaker 1: what's going on is great. I think he takes a
Speaker 1: lot of false steps and then I think he can't recover.
Speaker 1: So goal line, I need you to know what's coming,
Speaker 1: and I need you to hit it quick because you
Speaker 1: don't have much time to react, like you gotta get
Speaker 1: there quick in order to keep the guy from getting
Speaker 1: in the end zone. So again, I'm just having a
Speaker 1: hard time finding where I think he is the best
Speaker 1: at a role, second best at a role, even third
Speaker 1: best at a role. If it which means somebody has
Speaker 1: to come off to Phil that's better than him. If
Speaker 1: it's early down and they're in big personnel, I'm I
Speaker 1: can live with. He's got to be better than Neil
Speaker 1: of getting hit by a defensive end. Yeah, he's more.
Speaker 1: I mean he's a he's a bigger player. He can
Speaker 1: hold up against some of that better. And I mean,
Speaker 1: no knock on it, he's got to do it though.
Speaker 1: He can't go around the other side, because that's that's
Speaker 1: one thing that's a knock on him, and we're seeing it.
Speaker 1: He goes. He avoids the big blockers at times, and
Speaker 1: that sounds good because that's doesn't hurt as much. But
Speaker 1: you've just you've just created a huge gap because that
Speaker 1: guy just took you where you wanted to go. I'll
Speaker 1: give you one area where I do think he is
Speaker 1: really valuable to having this team. Don't say it what
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, availability, Like, you can't argue it's availability.
Speaker 1: You got a lot of guys that have not been
Speaker 1: available at that position. He's been available, so that that's
Speaker 1: matters in the NFL. Can't you be available? I've had
Speaker 1: that be the reason why he needs to be here.
Speaker 1: I've had that argument with a million people of like
Speaker 1: and nobody's trying to say Jalen is amazing or should
Speaker 1: be starting with all these other options. But with what
Speaker 1: this team has been through, it's not a bad thing
Speaker 1: to have a guy who's played a thousand snaps in
Speaker 1: the season as your top option if somebody gets hurt, right,
Speaker 1: because the likely is that somebody will, which and that's
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this a lot. It's it's interesting
Speaker 1: I get that, and I hit me the other day
Speaker 1: where I was like, if they were to cut him,
Speaker 1: it says like, not only is he not one of
Speaker 1: their three or four best linebackers, they also have such
Speaker 1: a low opinion of him that it would be a
Speaker 1: problem for the team and the development of the team
Speaker 1: that they're like, this guy want to go, He's got
Speaker 1: to go. He is a problem. If he's not starting,
Speaker 1: he will make life miserable for everybody. That is the
Speaker 1: signal that it sends if they were to cut him.
Speaker 1: And I'm not one hundred percent like, I don't think
Speaker 1: that's the case. I don't think that that would happen.
Speaker 1: And so does it suck that you're paying seven and
Speaker 1: a half million dollars for a backup? Absolutely? But what
Speaker 1: depth isn't a bad thing? Well, I mean, all you
Speaker 1: have to do is listen to Jerry Jones talk this
Speaker 1: morning on the Fan one or five three. He was
Speaker 1: asked specifically about Jalen Smith's role, and his four minute
Speaker 1: answer about the depth of the linebacker did not ever
Speaker 1: include Jalen Smith by name at all. That was alarming
Speaker 1: to me because because now you're like, you're not even
Speaker 1: mentioning the question was about Jalen and then you just
Speaker 1: talked about the depth, which means I'm not talking about him.
Speaker 1: We've got depth, which means maybe we are. Maybe he's
Speaker 1: not in the debt And I don't know, I don't ever,
Speaker 1: you never you will get very You're getting a very
Speaker 1: tough situation. You ever start trying to figure out what
Speaker 1: Jerry's meaning by what he says and doesn't say. But
Speaker 1: that that was something that stood out to me too
Speaker 1: when I heard the response. But ultimately, I just think
Speaker 1: it comes back to and I'm a big believer, and
Speaker 1: once you got a guy on your team, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter the amount of money, you play them where you
Speaker 1: need to play him. I'm just having a hard time
Speaker 1: figuring out what is the role where I'm like, he's
Speaker 1: my right option to be out there as opposed to
Speaker 1: somebody else, And I'm having a hard time finding that
Speaker 1: for him. That's going to be the challenge for these
Speaker 1: coaches or you know, shoot I personally, if he doesn't
Speaker 1: play snaps sometimes that's fine with me. Again, like the
Speaker 1: money's keep getting an active guy. I doubt that you've
Speaker 1: just been saying you want to make six act six
Speaker 1: linebackers active. If he's playing special teams, obviously he can
Speaker 1: get on the field playing special teams, you would think
Speaker 1: I don't think you would, hope, So I think I
Speaker 1: think you'd just probably release. I think you would release.
Speaker 1: That's if I mean, if it were to get to
Speaker 1: a point where Jalen Smith isn't getting a jersey on
Speaker 1: game day and then yeah, that's that. That would be
Speaker 1: a huge drop. I have a hard time just thinking
Speaker 1: that happens, because it's just going from being the contract
Speaker 1: he's got to being like the every down starter. Did
Speaker 1: he play the most nouns any defender last year? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: He was the only defender who was available every week.
Speaker 1: Right to go from that to then just like just
Speaker 1: like that and not actually getting any benefit from cutting him,
Speaker 1: Like you're not making any money back by cutting him
Speaker 1: like that all seems a little bit like I don't
Speaker 1: expect that the hi any of paying a half million
Speaker 1: dollars for a jersey you don't wear. She got stop.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's you ever you like roller coasters
Speaker 1: at all? Yes, I do. That's not like they got
Speaker 1: well a good point. They got this thing at Cedar
Speaker 1: Point in Ohio called top Thrilled Dragster. It's nine seconds.
Speaker 1: It just goes four hundred feet in the air and
Speaker 1: straight back down. That's jails my kind of thing. Oh,
Speaker 1: I want to go real Cedar Points high on my
Speaker 1: bucket list. But that's that's that's Jalan's career trajectory unfortunately. Wow,
Speaker 1: I mean you thought he might not ever play again,
Speaker 1: and then he just should have been a pro bowler.
Speaker 1: In twenty eighteen, signs an eight you know, seventy million
Speaker 1: dollar contract, and now we're talking about if he'll even
Speaker 1: get a jersey on game day. That. I mean, that's insane,
Speaker 1: that right, we're talking about it. I'm not sure coaches are.
Speaker 1: So let's be clear. The fact is we're hearing from
Speaker 1: the from we are not hearing it. The fact that
Speaker 1: we are even idly debating it about a guy on
Speaker 1: that contract is nuts. Yeah, that's true. That ride probably
Speaker 1: you know they've run that multiple times in a day, Yeah,
Speaker 1: in an hour. Yeah, so that's what his hope is,
Speaker 1: get back on the ride. Yeah up there, back up
Speaker 1: there again. Yeah, his career could just be a bunch
Speaker 1: of those kind of ups. And it could be. And
Speaker 1: if it is, then that that's it'll it'll it'll make people,
Speaker 1: you know, pissed off all the time, because I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, honestly, that's Tony Romo's career. It's interesting. Oh
Speaker 1: I don't low, I don't know, not that it was.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a longer ride Tony Romo was That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. His career, that was his whole career.
Speaker 1: Was that? Okay, I mean I've been thinking about I
Speaker 1: actually got you know, I did one of those YouTube
Speaker 1: rabbit holes the other day. Broncos Cowboys twenty thirteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a good game. It was a great game. Yeah.
Speaker 1: There he had a chance, he had the ball. It
Speaker 1: was forty eight, forty eight. He's sitting at five h
Speaker 1: six in the passing yards the record for all times,
Speaker 1: five to sixty one, get your team in field goal,
Speaker 1: arrange to go win the game, and you win fifty
Speaker 1: one forty eight. The Broncos, they were defeated. They're undefeated,
Speaker 1: but they were. They were the best they were. They
Speaker 1: set the record. All the best offensive takes him down
Speaker 1: the field and scores a touch or agreets the field goal.
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna get about sixty yards passing, no running.
Speaker 1: At that point, you're gonna you're gonna set the all
Speaker 1: time passing record. You're gonna outdule pet Manning and you're
Speaker 1: gonna beat him. Fifty one to forty eight. He could
Speaker 1: have been considered right then and there without playoffs. Six
Speaker 1: just I mean he's right on with that top level,
Speaker 1: top five. Whatever he throws a pick, he wastes his
Speaker 1: great two thousand and six, he comes in, he's the star.
Speaker 1: All the he fumbles a snap in Seattle sounds like
Speaker 1: a book. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, that is
Speaker 1: his career, all these great moments. But it was his
Speaker 1: interception against Washington in the twenty twelve season finale. Dave
Speaker 1: still remembers and didn't even work here then, didn't I
Speaker 1: remember that I didn't have an opinion on Tony Romo
Speaker 1: at that time. People that love Romo have these twelve plays.
Speaker 1: The people that hate him have these twelve plays, right,
Speaker 1: that's his career, yes, Channel Jalen's not at that point.
Speaker 1: I mean, he hadn't done that. He needs the twelve
Speaker 1: plays over here. But he's got a few, but he
Speaker 1: needs more of them. But I mean, maybe that his
Speaker 1: career can be like that. We haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 1: I just I don't. It's it's it's hard to watch
Speaker 1: him play and imagine that he's gonna get back to
Speaker 1: that level. He just I hope he does. Hope he does.
Speaker 1: All dude, he's rooting again to Jalen Smith, at least
Speaker 1: not in this room. Yeah, but he just looks like
Speaker 1: he's lost about three steps from twenty eighteen. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I mean, I really I agree with your premise. I
Speaker 1: do think it's it will be a smart idea if
Speaker 1: these coaches can figure out a role for him that
Speaker 1: makes sense, because I think it would be better for
Speaker 1: the team that you have a guy like that that
Speaker 1: has some kind of role. I'm just having a hard
Speaker 1: time figuring that one out. And obviously they are much
Speaker 1: smarter about this kind of stuff than I am. So
Speaker 1: that's why they're paid those books, is to figure that
Speaker 1: part out. But I'm just having a hard time figuring
Speaker 1: out where he fits. I just think that's kind of
Speaker 1: what makes it easier for me, is the fact that
Speaker 1: the money, the money is locked in, Like you're can't
Speaker 1: improve the team by getting rid of him. And so
Speaker 1: if he's just depth, like I said, it's not ideal,
Speaker 1: but it's better than Jayleen Smith. If he's your best
Speaker 1: linebacker coming off the bench, that's better than a lot
Speaker 1: of teams have in terms of depth. Yeah. Absolutely, that's
Speaker 1: not the end of the world. All right, guys, appreciate
Speaker 1: you joining us. We'll be back on Thursday, and we'll
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