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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Thursday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate

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Speaker 2: all of you hanging out with us. We are live

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Speaker 2: four point seven. Appreciate all of you who are listening

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Speaker 3: We appreciate all of you.

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Speaker 2: We got a lot of stories to hit for you

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Speaker 2: throughout the course of today's program. First of all, Senator

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Speaker 2: Josh Holly will join us in studio here in DC

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Speaker 2: to talk about the issues that are currently underway. We

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Speaker 2: got a bunch of breaking news that I want to

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Speaker 2: hit off the top here.

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Speaker 3: Buck.

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Speaker 2: It appears that they're essentially going to give up on

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Speaker 2: trying to elect a House speaker and they are going

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Speaker 2: to keep the interim speaker in place, McHenry, and he

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Speaker 2: will be in place until January. This is a mess.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with this, Buck, just because we're in DC,

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Speaker 2: and again this is expected to happen in the next

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Speaker 2: few hours. Jim Jordan couldn't get the votes, Steve Scalisee

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Speaker 2: couldn't get the votes, Kevin McCarthy doesn't have the votes,

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Speaker 2: And right now, Jim Jordan will remain Speaker designy, meaning

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Speaker 2: that he hopes that sometime in January of twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four he's going to be able to become the speaker.

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Speaker 2: But the big challenge here is essentially the House Speaker

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Speaker 2: negotiates with the White House and an interim House Speaker

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Speaker 2: given the fact that I believe I'm right about this,

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Speaker 2: the budget is not funded past November, doesn't have a

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Speaker 2: lot of chits on the table, so to speak, to

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Speaker 2: be able to negotiate with the Democrats because he doesn't

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Speaker 2: even have the job in earnest. So effectively, we are

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Speaker 2: going to have an interim House Speaker for the next

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Speaker 2: couple of effect three months basically, and we'll see what

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Speaker 2: happens after that.

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Speaker 4: It seems like the concern that we had been sharing

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Speaker 4: was supposed to happen next was a very valid concern,

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Speaker 4: as in there there wasn't the next steps, The next steps.

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Speaker 3: Were not.

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Speaker 4: Already laid out, and it doesn't seem like there was

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Speaker 4: a whole lot that was intended that this was intended

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Speaker 4: to accomplish other than alse Kevin McCarthy, because they can

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Speaker 4: and now they'll just have to fight this out at

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Speaker 4: a later date. Effectively, this is like hitting the delay button.

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Speaker 4: It's like saying time out. We'll have this present I

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Speaker 4: mean the Speaker pro temp, and then we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 2: I think the way to analyze this buck is there's

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Speaker 2: about eight to ten people that did not like Kevin McCarthy,

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Speaker 2: and there's at least eight to ten, if not ten

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Speaker 2: McCarthy was removed that they refuse to support anyone else.

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Speaker 2: And so I don't know how the logjam gets. My concern,

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Speaker 2: a situation where effectively they're end up being like twenty

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Speaker 2: Because there's I think the number buck is there's eighteen

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Speaker 2: and so I understand people out there who say, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: we need a speaker on the right side. You and

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Speaker 2: I both want Jim Jordan to be speaker. But the

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Speaker 2: closer we get to twenty twenty four and now they're

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Speaker 2: talking about making a decision in January. And again, remember

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Speaker 2: it's only like a six month or seven month speakership

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Speaker 2: So it's basically going to go till January. Now we

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Speaker 2: don't know what's going.

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Speaker 4: To happen, and at that point we'll be even deeper

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Speaker 4: into the election cycle, which means that the role of

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Speaker 4: larger majority in the House will be absolutely essentially See

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Speaker 4: Nancy Pelosi take it a little victory lap here. This

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Speaker 4: is cut twenty over Jim Jordan, our buddy Jim not

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Speaker 4: being the speaker Nancy couldn't help herself play it.

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Speaker 5: I think it was a triumph of democracy in our

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Speaker 5: country that an insurrection was rejected by the Republicans again

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Speaker 5: as their candidate for speaker. We've always wished winning party

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Speaker 5: well as they choose their leader. I've never in the

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Speaker 5: decades that I've been here, when we've had a speaker's

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Speaker 5: each other's judgment. Today and yesterday that was an assault

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Speaker 5: on our democracy as Jim Jordan assaulted our democracy on January.

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Speaker 4: Sixth, Oh well, why why is Jim Jordan an insurrectionist

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Speaker 4: because he supported Trump?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 3: I know, but I mean, come on, this is going

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Speaker 3: And on the same.

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Speaker 2: Day, by the way, that there were Palestinian supporters, Hamas

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Speaker 2: supporters who took over the capitol and they had to

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Speaker 2: arrest some of them after Rashida. Will play that audio

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Speaker 2: for you, after Rashida to lead continue to spread the lie.

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Speaker 2: Things have gotten so bad in DC Buck that this morning,

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Speaker 2: while we were waiting to come to do the show,

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Speaker 2: I actually found myself reading John Fetterman's Twitter account and.

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Speaker 4: Pretty reasonable on the Israeli issue. You're telling me, yes,

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Speaker 4: I couldn't. I see Clay in the hotel lobby and

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Speaker 4: he's like, You're not gonna believe this. Fetterman is making

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Speaker 2: I think I read well, I'll read the tweet, but

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Speaker 2: I think we even have him speaking and he can

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Speaker 2: barely speak. Cut sixteen. Here's what he tweeted. It's truly

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Speaker 2: disturbing that members of Congress rushed to blame Israel for

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Speaker 2: the hospital's tragedy in Gaza. Who would take the word

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Speaker 2: of a group that just massacred innocent Israeli civilians over

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Speaker 2: our key ally? And I read that and I was like,

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Speaker 2: is this a Fedterman parody account? Because it makes so

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Speaker 2: much sense, And I don't know how well he said it,

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Speaker 2: But on cut sixteen, here, I'm gonna be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: I believe in the recorded history of Clay and Buck,

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Speaker 2: this is the first time we've ever said anything positive

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Speaker 2: about John Fetterman. So you are high fiving Fedament right now.

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Speaker 2: This is what is going on, how broken DC has become.

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Speaker 2: This morning. This morning, I'm sitting downstairs in the hotel

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Speaker 7: I'm always going to stand on the side of Israel always,

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Speaker 7: and now it's you know, it's clear that Israel was

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Speaker 7: not responsible for the bombing at the hospital, and it's

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Speaker 7: tragic that hundreds of innocent civilians were killed and it

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Speaker 7: was done by the same side that butcherd innocent Israeli

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Speaker 7: how you can get more despicable than they already are

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Speaker 7: to now they're trying to blame Israel on that to

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Speaker 7: inflame ten peticians all there as well too. And I'm

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Speaker 7: proud that the President visited there, and I'm going to

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Speaker 7: stand with President Biden, and I'm going to stand with Israel,

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Speaker 7: and I look forward to voting for whatever they need,

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Speaker 7: military intelligence or a humanitarian aid.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I don't know what said his dogs and kat

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Speaker 4: living together in mass hysteria. This is crazy Fetterman speaking cogedly,

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Speaker 4: coherently and pulling it all together and saying appropriate things

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Speaker 4: about the state of Israel. So there's that happening, which

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Speaker 4: I think was a little bit of a surprise. But

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Speaker 4: as I've been saying all along, this is why Democrats

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Speaker 4: don't pay a price for the anti Semitism wing that

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Speaker 4: exists with the Democrat Party. The biggest name Democrats overwhelmingly

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Speaker 4: with very few exceptions. I mean, AOC is very recognizable

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Speaker 4: in a media sense, but the most powerful Democrats are

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Speaker 4: all very pro Israel. And that's why as this issue

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Speaker 4: plays out with Joe Biden, Joe Biden is not going

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Speaker 4: to lose Jewish support in America, you know, the support

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Speaker 4: do have a bipartisan policy of very clear support for

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Speaker 4: the state of Israel. It's just with Fetterman, it wasn't

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Speaker 4: only what he said, but it was the clarity with

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Speaker 4: which he said it, which is a reminder everybody as well.

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Speaker 4: He may be improving over time. I'm sure he plans on,

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Speaker 4: you know, running when his time comes. It's some years out,

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Speaker 4: but running for reelection. And some of these Democrats we

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Speaker 4: make fun of them, We see them as you know,

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Speaker 4: completely out of their depth. Joe Biden is the single

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Speaker 4: I mean there's a lot. Joe Biden was the one

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Speaker 4: the job, and yet sometimes they can pull it together

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Speaker 4: in a way that'll fool just enough voters or please

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Speaker 4: Reminds me, Biden is going to be speaking tonight at

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Speaker 4: eight o'clock, and I'll tell you right now everybody. It's

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Speaker 4: going to be a speech dealing with Israel, and he's

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Speaker 4: going to say things that overwhelmingly a lot of people

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is not a moment where I think

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Speaker 4: And obviously we're still waiting to see what goes on

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Speaker 4: here with the ground war. There are all these efforts

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Speaker 4: underway to get humanitarian resources in. They've got to think

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Speaker 4: But the ground campaign to destroy Hamas is what we're

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Speaker 2: A couple of other things that we're going to be

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Speaker 2: talking about that, are News or the Sydney Powell, former

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Speaker 2: Trump attorney. She is pleading guilty, going to pay a fine,

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Speaker 2: six years probation in the Atlanta trial where I believe

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Speaker 2: they had what nineteen criminal defendants. She's now going to

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Speaker 2: testify against Trump, which is going to increase the legal

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Speaker 2: peril there. We'll talk about what that means. There's a

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Speaker 2: Bloomberg poll out buck that is incredibly favorable to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: I'll share some of those data points with you. It's

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Speaker 2: all swing states and Trump spoiler alert according to this

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Speaker 2: Bloomberg poll. Again, I don't think Bloomberg is particularly biased

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Speaker 2: towards Trump. Is leading in virtually all of the swing states.

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Speaker 2: Trump could very well win this election, and I think

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Speaker 2: Democrats are in denial about.

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Speaker 3: That reality at some level.

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Speaker 4: But I also think they're increasingly figuring that out. That

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Speaker 4: the numbers are indicating that it's going to be what

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Speaker 4: we've said along, which is very competitive. It's going to

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Speaker 4: be very close, but it's going to be so close

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Speaker 4: that the repeat of twenty sixteen, although they it won't

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Speaker 4: be quite like that, because I don't think they'll say

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Speaker 4: there's a ninety seven percent. Yeah, right, Biden winning, but

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Speaker 4: the shock of the day after of a Trump win

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Speaker 4: and a Trump presidency part two is something that Democrats

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Speaker 4: may very well have to deal with again, I know,

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Speaker 4: assuming he is the nominee at this point, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't really see how, barring some.

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Speaker 2: Exigent circumstance would it would have to I think it

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Speaker 2: would have to be a health issue, and there would

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Speaker 2: have to him. I don't see how this changes based

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Speaker 2: on ground game in Iowa or anything else. And that's

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Speaker 2: just me, And you know, I think you feel the

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Speaker 2: same way. That's looking into the future, which can always change.

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Speaker 2: A couple of other things, Buck that I wanted to mention.

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Speaker 8: My goal was multiflbum basically to get humanitarian aide into,

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Speaker 3: This can happen quickly. You know.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so this is where it's It's a different conversation

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Speaker 9: As we have constantly made clear, our support for Israel's

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Speaker 4: Now, if those are just words, obviously, and if those

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Speaker 2: Buck thirty, I think the number is thirty one. Staff

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Speaker 2: We now know we're killed by Jamaas. I have not

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Speaker 3: I know there's good and evil here. Think about this.

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Speaker 3: How much more.

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Speaker 2: Attention did the fake allegation of Israel blowing up a

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Speaker 2: hospital get compared to the amount of attention that two

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Speaker 2: hundred hostages that are still being held by Hamas have gotten.

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Speaker 2: And I would just go back again. I think this

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Speaker 2: is really interesting. We got a lot of media members

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Speaker 2: out there that'll listen to this show. Think about the

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Speaker 2: historical analogy when Iran took our people hostage in nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventy nine, I think it was, and how much obsession

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Speaker 2: there was with those American hostages. Those are grown adults

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Speaker 2: who were in an embassy. I'm not saying that it

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Speaker 2: wasn't serious. Some of you may have seen the movie

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Speaker 2: are Go, I think, which partly dealt with that, which

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Speaker 2: is probably for young people the way that they're more

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Speaker 2: likely to know about this. But it was an obsession

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Speaker 2: to get those people home, and.

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Speaker 4: Jimmy Carter basically lambled his presidency on the ability to

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Speaker 4: get them home. And because of the you know, sandstorm

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Speaker 4: and the helicoppers in the desert, it turned into a disaster.

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Speaker 4: But Clay to your point about the hostage holding. Militaries

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Speaker 4: don't hold hostages, right, military will hold prisoners of war.

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Speaker 4: These are kids, these are children. Yes, this is what

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Speaker 4: terrorist groups do, right, This is a different thing. This

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Speaker 4: is not people that are detained and who are being

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Speaker 4: afforded Geneva Convention protections or anything else, who are combatants.

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Speaker 4: They have seized women and children and are using the

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Speaker 4: threat of their murder in order to get leverage against

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Speaker 4: the press side.

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Speaker 2: And just think buck how often when we know a

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Speaker 2: kid has been kidnapped in America, the American news media

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Speaker 2: goes all in. I'm talking about stranger kidnappings, right, because

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Speaker 2: a lot of the debate about kids is mom and

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Speaker 2: dad are in a dispute. If you go look at

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Speaker 2: at when kids go missing, a lot of times it's

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Speaker 2: a custody dispute. But we just had was it up

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Speaker 2: in New York where the little girl was on a

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Speaker 2: bicycle in a state park. I think it was New

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Speaker 2: York state, maybe it was Pennsylvania, but she was on

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Speaker 2: the bicycle, she got caught and kidnapped, and they eventually

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Speaker 2: managed to find her, and thank god, I think she's

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Speaker 2: I think she's okay. But that story was everywhere. And

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Speaker 2: think about how I'm just pointing this out. Think about

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Speaker 2: how our media covered that one escaped prisoner in Pennsylvania

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Speaker 2: like it was an absolute necessity. That that person be

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Speaker 2: caught and it's one person. Have we even heard detail

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Speaker 2: the analysis of who from America? Which American citizens are

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Speaker 2: being held, how old they are, what their health status is.

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Speaker 2: Where is the American media to advocate for these American prisoners.

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Speaker 2: I haven't even heard very many politicians talk about it.

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Speaker 4: Well, where this is where it also goes to the

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Speaker 4: moral clarity with which everyone should be able to see

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Speaker 4: this moment in time. Only one side here Hamas intentionally

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Speaker 4: goes out of its way, plots to and then celebrates

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Speaker 4: the murdering of defenseless men, women, and children. Only one

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Speaker 4: side in this conflict, Hamas engages in the kidnapping of men, women,

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Speaker 4: and children under the explicit threat of possible torture and

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Speaker 4: murder of those individuals, in order to gain leverage against

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Speaker 4: the other side. This is not stuff that is hard

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Speaker 4: for people to reason through and achieve some degree of

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Speaker 4: moral clarity. And this is why when you know, when

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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris says, oh I stand with the Palestinian people's

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Speaker 4: desire for dignity and freedom, Well in this case, that

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Speaker 4: means that Hamas has got to go, and they're not

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Speaker 4: going to go quietly. So the IDF is going to

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Speaker 4: have to make them go. By the way back to

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, production staff says, thirty people Americans

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Speaker 2: that they know are dead. Let me just ask you

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Speaker 2: this question. There are thirteen Americans unaccounted for right now.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden went to Israel. Why didn't Joe Biden stand

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Speaker 2: in front of the cameras and say, I'm not leaving Israel?

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Speaker 2: Told the American citizens that Hamas is holding hostage right

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Speaker 2: now are on the plane with me going back.

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Speaker 4: I will say this, if Donald Trump were president of

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Speaker 4: the United States, I think the level of you know,

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Speaker 4: mess with me and find out he would have specifically

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Speaker 4: for those Americans being held, yes, would be something that

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Speaker 4: the Palestinians would pay.

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Speaker 2: Attention, wouldn't buck, I mean, just from basic humanity. Biden

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Speaker 2: claims that he cares so much because he's lost a son.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine anything hardly worse than your kids being

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Speaker 2: held hostage by Hamas terrorist and you having no idea

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Speaker 2: where they are, how healthy they are, what they're being,

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Speaker 2: what they're having done to them over the last ten days.

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Speaker 2: As a dad, I can't get past that, and I

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Speaker 2: don't understand how Joe Biden could travel to Israel, who

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Speaker 2: could do a full address. How does he not stare

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Speaker 2: directly into the camera and say, Hamas, listen to me carefully.

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Speaker 2: Every American citizen should be released immediately, and they are

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Speaker 2: going to be on the plane going back with me

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Speaker 2: when I go back to the United States. Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: flew to Israel and then got back on Air Force

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Speaker 2: one turned his back on all the American hostages that

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Speaker 2: are there, and I haven't heard hardly anybody point out that.

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Speaker 3: He did that.

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Speaker 2: Shouldn't the number one goal of an American president who

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Speaker 2: travels to Israel be to return with every hostage that

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Speaker 2: Hamas has taken. And how is every and politician not

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Speaker 2: demanding this too? I just the more I look at

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Speaker 2: it and the more I read about it, it is

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Speaker 2: every parent's worst nightmare to think about a young kid

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Speaker 2: being kidnapped, but a young kid being kidnapped by a

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Speaker 2: terrorist organization. How are Americans not focused on getting our

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Speaker 2: people home?

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Speaker 4: I mean, there should be a clear message from Joe

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Speaker 4: Biden that if anything happens to any Americans that are

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Speaker 4: currently in custody, everyone in Hamas who has anything to

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Speaker 4: do with any of it, we will hunt them down

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Speaker 4: dead or alive.

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Speaker 2: Yes, why would he not say that? I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is like basic stuff to me. As as the

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Speaker 2: also to send the message that you don't gotta be careful,

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in play Travis Buck Sexton Show. Here at

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Speaker 2: We're just up the road from the Capitol. Joined now

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Speaker 2: by Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri. Appreciate you being in

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Speaker 2: studio with us here, Senator, and you legitimately, I think,

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Speaker 2: in the last hour or so just attempted to have

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Speaker 2: a resolution on the floor of the Senate condemning anti

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Speaker 2: Israel pro Hamas protest which are happening on college campuses.

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Speaker 2: What happened, Well, the Democrats blocked it easy. I mean

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Speaker 2: they went to the floor and they said, oh oh

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Speaker 2: oh no. You know some of these groups, student groups,

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Speaker 2: they're making legitimate points. So I had the language right

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Speaker 2: in front of me, you know, the death to Jews,

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Speaker 2: the violence, and we need to endorse violence. So I

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Speaker 2: just held up and I said, we will read to me. Yes,

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Speaker 2: of course you think are legitimate. I'd like to hear it.

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Speaker 2: And the response was well, well, well, I mean I

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Speaker 2: don't know, but this is really smearing. I mean, we

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Speaker 2: need to these people have legitimate concerns. I just thought

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Speaker 2: this is the moral equivalency. That's worse when you say

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Speaker 2: that we're going to celebrate killing Jews and yeah, we

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Speaker 2: think the state of Israel ought to be eliminated. That's

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Speaker 2: anti semitism. This isn't hard. Let's condemn it. You know

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Speaker 2: you're a free speech guy. I said, listen, they may

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Speaker 2: have a right, yeah, first Amendment to say this stuff.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean though that we have to say, oh yeah, great,

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Speaker 2: we love it.

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Speaker 4: How do you think this works out?

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Speaker 3: Though?

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Speaker 4: You have some Democrats we played even from Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 4: before we've played from John Fetterman.

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Speaker 3: The only time the history of the show. But he

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Speaker 3: was right.

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Speaker 4: He's right on Israel, very strong, and you know, nothing

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Speaker 4: really that I would edit in terms of what Schumer

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Speaker 4: says on Israel, what Fetterman said on Israel. There are

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Speaker 4: others as well on the Democrats side. They say that,

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Speaker 4: and yet they never seem to call out the craziest

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Speaker 4: stuff from within their own party on this issue. We

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Speaker 4: know Democrats generally expect a lot of unity within the

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Speaker 4: party on messaging. On this one though, it's like they

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Speaker 4: allow the anti Semitism of Caucus to do its thing,

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Speaker 4: but they will stand forward as Democrat leadership and be

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Speaker 4: pretty solid on Israel.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's what today, what just happened on

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Speaker 2: the floor of the Senate with my resolution, it exposes

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Speaker 2: what's going on here, because when you put them to

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Speaker 2: it and you say, okay, okay, you say that you're

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Speaker 2: pro Israel, fine, but will you condemn this language from

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Speaker 2: frankly leftist groups that are calling for Israel to be eliminated,

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Speaker 2: for Jews to be killed, they won't do it.

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Speaker 3: I said, well, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, oh, well, there's a lot of concerns here, a

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Speaker 2: lot of legitimate concerns. What's legitimate about hoping that the

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Speaker 2: Jewish people get killed? I mean, there's nothing legitimate about

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Speaker 2: it that I think really shows the problem that they have.

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Speaker 3: Here's the other deal. I just noticed that.

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Speaker 2: I think it's like seventy eight eighty faculty members at

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Speaker 2: Harvard now are writing to their president saying, you need

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Speaker 2: to condemn the anti Palestinian rhetoric that is coming.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So this is the left, the left, the true left,

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Speaker 2: the grassroots, academic, radical left that drives their party. They

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Speaker 2: are vigely anti he.

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Speaker 4: Is in an interesting though, because the only real condemnations

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Speaker 4: you'll hear it's not that people condemn Palestinians. They can

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Speaker 4: m Hamas and all those who take part in Hamas actions.

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Speaker 4: On the other side, they condemned Israelis, they condemned Jews.

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Speaker 4: It's the whole thing, right, it's the collective. Absolutely. You

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Speaker 4: are a Supreme Court clerk. You've got a lot of

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Speaker 4: background in the law. We were just talking about Sidney

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Speaker 4: Powell Atlanta. Pretend that you right now are defending Trump.

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Speaker 4: There's so many different moving parts here.

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Speaker 2: You got the New York City charges, you got the

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Speaker 2: Atlanta charges, Jan six charges, South Florida doc charges. How

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Speaker 2: would you assess legally how some of those situations are

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Speaker 2: going to play out? For instance, do you think that

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Speaker 2: it's likely that there will be a resolution of those

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Speaker 2: cases before the twenty twenty four election. Just you have

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Speaker 2: a lot of expertise here in the Supreme Court and

657
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Speaker 2: in the legal process in general. How would you big

658
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Speaker 2: picture analyze where we are and where you think we're going? Well,

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Speaker 2: Number one, it's clearly a coordinated strategy on the Democrats'

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Speaker 2: part to try and keep Trump in court and not campaigning.

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Speaker 2: I mean all of this coordinated obviously.

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Speaker 3: I mean they've said that.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's obviously coordinated, which is unbelievable abuse of

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Speaker 2: the legal system. Number Two, I think from a legal

665
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Speaker 2: constitutional First Amendment point of view, the jan sixth case

666
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Speaker 2: is an extraordinarily weak case because it's all about speech.

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00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 2: It's all about saying Trump there's no dispute really about

668
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Speaker 2: the facts. Everything Trump did he did out in public,

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Speaker 2: you know. I mean, it's not as that Trump never

670
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Speaker 2: leaves you in doubt. Yeah, right, he tells you he

671
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Speaker 2: went right out and said, yeah, I called the Secretary

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Speaker 2: of State and I told him I thought I won

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Speaker 2: and he should find some more votes. Alan Dershowitz, I

674
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Speaker 2: thought tellingly said, listen, when I Dershowitz defended Al Gore

675
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Speaker 2: in two thousand and tried to get Gore to win

676
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Speaker 2: that election, he said, we did the same thing. We said,

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Speaker 2: we think Gore won. We went county by county where

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Speaker 2: we thought we should have more votes, and we asked

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Speaker 2: all of the people tallling the votes there, please recount, yeah,

680
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Speaker 2: because we think we have more votes. And we pressured him,

681
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: he said, to get him to do it. And his

682
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Speaker 2: comment was, that's totally legitimate. I mean, it's the speech

683
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 2: we had a legitimate belief. So the idea that if

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Speaker 2: Trump does it, that is somehow that's a crime. Now

685
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: you may not like it, but to crime. I think

686
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 2: that one is really really weak on free speech grounds.

687
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Speaker 2: And then you know, my god, see this track of

688
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 2: all of them. I think the classified documents case that

689
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: just seems so trumped up and absurd to me. But

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Speaker 2: if you're asking me on on constitutional free speech grounds,

691
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Speaker 2: I think the jan sixth case, it's all about it.

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Speaker 4: But that New York City case, I mean, that's that's

693
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Speaker 4: open and shut, right, that one where he thirty counts

694
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Speaker 4: of a clerical error or something in the payment charging

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Speaker 4: the crime that I think has has never been charged before.

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Speaker 3: You know, they're trying to bootstrap state law with.

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Speaker 2: Which they still haven't really explained very well even how

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Speaker 2: they're doing that.

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Speaker 3: No, they haven't.

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Speaker 2: That's another one where I just think, purely on legal grounds,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know how that goes to it.

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Speaker 4: So you think Trump will be able to basically bulldoze

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Speaker 4: through all these and get to the elections.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know what I when my response to Clay,

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Speaker 2: what I what I mean to say is is that

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Speaker 2: I just think in terms of having these trials we're

707
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Speaker 2: looking at, particularly those federal cases, these are big time,

708
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Speaker 2: lengthy trials, a lot of argument. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: you get through all of those between I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: it's October now, yeah, free, they're not even proposing to

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Speaker 2: art until next year.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna get oh. But yeah.

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Speaker 4: So what I mean isn't isn't that Trump is going

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Speaker 4: to see them all through and win them all. It's

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Speaker 4: just that this isn't really going to stop him from

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Speaker 4: doing what he's doing, running and all, you know, and

717
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Speaker 4: it may even backfire on the Democrats that they brought.

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Speaker 3: All this fire.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it'll backfired. I don't think it'll be

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Speaker 2: resolved by Nick Nuvember.

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Speaker 3: Do you think the.

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court will get involved at all? Or you were

723
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Speaker 2: again you were a Supreme Court clerk, or do you

724
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Speaker 2: think they're so concerned because it's Trump that even though

725
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Speaker 2: there may be a legal argument very strong, which I

726
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Speaker 2: think there is, that they'll just try to sidestep it

727
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: because three of them are Trump appointees and they're worried

728
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Speaker 2: about the institutional attack that might happen. I think they

729
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 2: won't want to get involved because they won't want to

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Speaker 2: get drawn into it. You know, the Supreme Court justices

731
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Speaker 2: are very sort of conflict averse as we've seen. But

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Speaker 2: I have to say that, you know, it's gonna be hard,

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Speaker 2: particularly on that Jan six.

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Speaker 3: Case, because it is so speech based.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm sure the Trump people will appeal

736
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Speaker 2: that all the way up to the top. And you know,

737
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Speaker 2: if it gets to them and Trump has lost at

738
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Speaker 2: the lower court, you know, I think they'd probably be

739
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Speaker 2: pretty hard pressed not to take it. Yeah, because it's

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's an important precedent right right in other

741
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Speaker 2: cases evolving presidents Nixon you know, have gone to the

742
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: Supreme Court before, so you know, I think that's possible.

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Speaker 4: Can we you're a senator, you know, but Congress next door,

744
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 4: you know those guys too. Can we throw you in

745
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 4: the middle of the food fight here and just tell

746
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Speaker 4: us what are the Republicans doing?

747
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 4: We're going to have a speaker pro tem for a

749
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Speaker 4: while because people you know, won't even on the Republican

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Speaker 4: side face it looks like the grand strategy was no strategy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm not a fan of the pro tem things.

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Speaker 2: I'll just say I'm not a member of the House.

753
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 2: I never have been, so I don't know the House

754
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Speaker 2: and I wouldn't tell them.

755
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Speaker 3: How to vote.

756
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Speaker 2: But as a as a senator, I just say, we

757
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 2: need the House. Republicans have a majority in the House.

758
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: We need it to function, the country needs it to function.

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00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: We need it to do oversight on Biden. We need

760
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: it to actually stop the Biden agenda, and we needed to.

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Speaker 2: That's the only part of the government where we have

762
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Speaker 2: a chance to actually put something forward. The border for instance.

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Speaker 2: Senate will never move border bill never. We got to

764
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Speaker 2: have the House. So I just plead with my counterparts

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Speaker 2: over there you know, just choose somebody, please and make

766
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Speaker 2: it permanent.

767
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Speaker 3: And let's get back.

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Speaker 4: How we're looking for the Senate in your mind for

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Speaker 4: twenty four, Oh should win it?

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Speaker 2: If we If we can't win the Senate in twenty

771
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Speaker 2: twenty four, then Republicans don't deserve to be in the

772
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Speaker 2: majority ever again, I mean we are. We have a

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Speaker 2: map where the Dems have twice as many seats that

774
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Speaker 2: they have to defend as us, very favorable to us.

775
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 3: We've got to go out there.

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Speaker 2: Though, senators, Senate Republicans and make an argument and talk

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Speaker 2: about what we're going to do. And I think last

778
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: time around this was a decision by our leadership, which

779
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 2: is a huge mistake. It was, oh, let's go out

780
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: and just say we're not for anything. We're not going

781
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: to talk about anything. We'll just say that Biden sucks. Well,

782
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: everybody knows Biden sucks. But you got to go out

783
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: and tell the voters what are you going to do

784
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: for them? And we didn't do that, and here we are.

785
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Speaker 2: You just had a hearing, and I want to thank

786
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 2: you for doing it. You held the NCAA president's feet

787
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: to his fire over this ridiculousness of if a guy

788
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Speaker 2: decides that he's a girl, they have to share locker rooms.

789
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Speaker 2: Men are changing alongside of women. You're a sport like

790
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: you grew up a sportsman. Would you have ever believed

791
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Speaker 2: that the entire Democrat party would believe that a man

792
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Speaker 2: who pretends to be a woman should be able to

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Speaker 2: win a women's championship?

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if you saw this. I don't

795
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Speaker 3: know if you saw this book.

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Speaker 2: Maxim's Hot one hundred, you remember that you huld be

797
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Speaker 2: a big deal one hundred best looking women out there.

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Speaker 3: You might remember that maybe some of you. I had

799
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Speaker 3: a friend who had it once. Yea.

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Speaker 2: They just named a man as one of the hundred

801
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Speaker 2: best looking women in America. And I just I look

802
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: at that, and I'm like, there weren't a hundred good

803
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 2: looking women? So what's going on there?

804
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 3: What? What? Where?

805
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Speaker 2: How have we gotten here? And for people who didn't

806
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: hear that conversation, what were you told?

807
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Speaker 3: How did that happen? Well, here's what I said. I

808
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 3: said to the NCAA.

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Speaker 2: President, Charlie Bakers's name, Now, I just said to him, listen,

810
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Speaker 2: you made Riley Gaines and a bunch of other female

811
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Speaker 2: athletes have a man in their locker room. You didn't

812
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 2: tell them beforehand, you didn't ask them, and you didn't

813
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: get their consent, you didn't try to get it, and

814
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: you certainly didn't obtain their consent. What do you say

815
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 2: about That's that your policy? And he hemmed and hawed

816
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: and finally said, well, that it's not.

817
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Speaker 3: Policy. And then he said, well he wasn't sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, come on, this is not a stupid guy,

819
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: by the way, as if he doesn't know, he knows,

820
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Speaker 2: So he needs to come clean and say what it is.

821
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Speaker 2: And here's what I would say, Clay, is that he

822
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Speaker 2: knows and the rest of the NCAA know how unbelievably

823
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: stupid and wrong it sounds to say, yeah, biological men

824
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Speaker 2: ought to be in women's locker rooms and the women

825
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 2: should just have to take it. Nobody in the right

826
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Speaker 2: mind thinks that's right.

827
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Speaker 3: Yep.

828
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Speaker 2: So, but they did it, and now they don't want

829
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Speaker 2: to talk about it. They certainly don't want to apologize

830
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Speaker 2: for it. And so here we are to your question

831
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Speaker 2: about my Democrat colleagues. Yeah, I mean, not a one

832
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Speaker 2: of them, not a one of them, has stood up

833
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: and said this is wrong, this is crazy, and my

834
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: question is what happened to women's right?

835
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Speaker 4: But do they Do you think they know that it's

836
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 4: wrong and crazy and they're just cowards or do you

837
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Speaker 4: think they've actually bought this nonsense?

838
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Speaker 2: Fifty I think a number of them actually believe it.

839
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Speaker 2: I think they are absolutely A trends woman is a

840
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Speaker 2: woman A percent, there's no difference, you know. But I

841
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 2: think others are like, no, this is nuts, but they

842
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: just feel they can't speak out because they will get

843
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: jammed by their radical base who really controls them more

844
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: and more. It's a tiny segment of their party, and

845
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Speaker 2: yet that's that's who they count out to. Last question

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Speaker 2: for you, I think you're a huge Kansas City Chiefs Yeah,

847
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: oh yeah, where's this going?

848
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 3: Fuck?

849
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 2: Everybody out there listening has seen this Travis Kelcey Taylor

850
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: Swift relationship. Your team has won two Super Bowls. As

851
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Speaker 2: you sit here, are you concerned that Taylor Swift could

852
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: be the Yoko Ono of the Kansas City Chiefs dynasty

853
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: bringing down everything? And what's it like to be a

854
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: Chiefs fan sitting wanting to watch your favorite team and

855
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: they just keep showing this pop star on television all

856
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: day long? Do you think it's I don't know. I mean,

857
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Speaker 2: I don't know if your wife is a Taylor Swift fan.

858
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 2: I have no idea. Does it make her more likely

859
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Speaker 2: to watch as a fan or you just like all

860
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Speaker 2: I care about is the game itself. Well, I will

861
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Speaker 2: I'm in the latter category. Yeah, but I will say

862
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: that my wife and I we were sitting on the

863
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Speaker 2: couch watching the King's See She's there on Thursday Night

864
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Speaker 2: football last week, and I think Taylor was at that game.

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Speaker 2: Your wife was with me, Yeah, and we're sitting there

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Speaker 2: and she said at one point, I had looked down

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Speaker 2: for a minute and she said.

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Speaker 3: Oh, look there's Taylor Swift. And you know, all was

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Speaker 3: this exciting.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, oh again, So listen, I will

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Speaker 2: just say I am for whatever gets us another super Bowl, Oklay,

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Speaker 2: So I think we need to get back to Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl when it again. I think we can do it,

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Speaker 2: and I'm for whatever gets us there.

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Speaker 4: Well, today Clay came in with a pumpkin spice latte

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Speaker 4: and I actually had a nutella latte. So I don't know,

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Speaker 4: as well, Le, we might as well just start playing

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Speaker 4: Taylor Swift at this point, like we might as well

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Speaker 4: just go for it, but Senator Holly, great to see

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Speaker 1: Need a break from politics, a little comedy to counter

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Speaker 1: the craziness, So do we The Sunday Hang, a weekend

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Speaker 1: podcast to lighten things up a bit. Find it in

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Speaker 1: the Clay and Buck podcast feed, on the iHeartRadio app

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 4: Could a third party candidate be the difference in twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty four and could that mean the difference as to

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Speaker 4: whether or not we.

909
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Speaker 3: Have a democracy anymore?

910
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Speaker 4: Meaning will Trump win? Will we not win? Or how

911
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 4: is this all going to play out? We wanted to

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Speaker 4: look into some of this a little bit because here's

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Speaker 4: the thing. Generally thirty sorry thirty party candidates. Third party

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Speaker 4: candidates fly under the radar, but they can have a

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Speaker 4: major impact. The one that people think of as having

916
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Speaker 4: the biggest impact in the past was when Ross Perot

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Speaker 4: ran and I still to this day must admit that

918
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Speaker 4: I when I think of Ross Perot, Dana Carvey impersonating

919
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Speaker 4: Ross Perot is what comes into my mind, like I can't.

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Speaker 2: Actually that was when SNL was in there was in

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Speaker 2: its absolute.

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Speaker 3: They were great. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Dana Carvey, I think is still one of the most

924
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Speaker 4: talented and kind of underrated, actually most talented comedians of

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Speaker 4: his era. So why are we talking about this then, Well,

926
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Speaker 4: because it could matter a whole heck of a lot.

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Speaker 4: According to recent polling, an NBC News poll in just

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Speaker 4: the last month or so, almost fifteen percent of registered

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Speaker 4: voters right now say that would they would vote for

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Speaker 4: a third party or independent candidate if one was on

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Speaker 4: the ballot, Almost fifteen percent of registered voters. Now, fifteen

932
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Speaker 4: percent doesn't necessarily sound like a huge number. Do you

933
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Speaker 4: realize this election, based on all the data you can see,

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Speaker 4: is going to come down to probably two or three

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Speaker 4: percent at most of registered voters, right So the swing

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Speaker 4: in that possible fifteen percent is really substantial. We could start.

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Speaker 4: There are two candidates who we can get into a

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Speaker 4: little bit here. One is Cornell West, who is a

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Speaker 4: professor at Princeton, and somebody who he just got a

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Speaker 4: maximum campaign donation, Clay. This was yesterday from Republican mega

941
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Speaker 4: donor Harlan Crowe. Let's talk about Wes for a second.

942
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Speaker 4: He he's a far left guy, a self proclaimed non

943
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Speaker 4: Marxist socialist.

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Speaker 3: That's interesting.

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Speaker 4: He is somebody who I would like to see certainly

946
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Speaker 4: on every Democrat you know, on every ballot, rather in

947
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Speaker 4: states where it's going to be close between Democrats and Republicans,

948
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Speaker 4: to the point where I think Republicans would be well

949
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Speaker 4: suited to help.

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Speaker 3: Yea Professor West, I would donate to him.

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Speaker 2: If you're listening to us right now and you want

952
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Speaker 2: the Republican to win, I think you want Cornell West

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Speaker 2: on as many ballots in as many states as possible.

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Speaker 2: And I was hitting on the Zogbie poll earlier. In

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Speaker 2: the four way race, Trump wins outright the majority of

956
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Speaker 2: the vote, well, not the majority of the vote. Nobody

957
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Speaker 2: gets the majority, but he gets the the majority of

958
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Speaker 2: the overall tally forty three to forty two. RFK Junior

959
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Speaker 2: gets thirteen, Cornell West gets four. And I believe we

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Speaker 2: have audio now of RFK Junior. Now this is from

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Speaker 2: July Buck of him saying that he would support reparations

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Speaker 2: to a certain degree, which I think it's important for

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Speaker 2: this audience to hear, because we've had him on. I

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Speaker 2: would have him on again. I think it's important for

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Speaker 2: you guys to hear from a variety of different candidates.

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Speaker 2: And RFK Junior is right on COVID, but Man is

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Speaker 2: he wrong on reparations. Listen to this.

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Speaker 6: I would be against if there was no other if

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Speaker 6: there was no other issue, I would be against cash

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Speaker 6: and reparations. But the word reparation means repair. And you know,

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Speaker 6: I grew up in a Jim Crow and I saw

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Speaker 6: this was not just the injury did not end with slavery.

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Speaker 6: The injury and the deliberate suppression, the institutionalization of at

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Speaker 6: black neighbor who is is systematic. It's systemic and it

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Speaker 6: and it continues today in a million different ways, and

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Speaker 6: we need to rebuild them. They are black communities, and

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Speaker 6: so that you know, my approach to doing that would

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Speaker 6: be to do it in a way that I think

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Speaker 6: is going to be most effective, which is what we

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Speaker 6: did at Bedside. We created what we call it Community

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Speaker 6: Development Corporation there and it is now the model for

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Speaker 6: hundreds of community development corporations around the country because it works,

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Speaker 6: and that it's it's less likely to contribute to the

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Speaker 6: polarization between blacks and whites because the benefits everybody, everybody,

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Speaker 6: even of people who are Trumpers, who I see all

986
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Speaker 6: the time because I represent them in lawsuits against big polluters.

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Speaker 6: If you talk about business loans and black communities. Everybody's

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Speaker 6: for it. Everybody wants business to work and to flourish,

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Speaker 6: and so for me, that would.

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Speaker 3: Be my approach.

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Speaker 4: Now, there are a lot of problems with this, not

992
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Speaker 4: specifically even what he's saying, just the notion of reparations.

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Speaker 4: Once you start doing that, anybody should understand you're never

994
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Speaker 4: going to The calls for it will never stop. There's

995
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Speaker 4: never going to be enough. You can't actually write a

996
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Speaker 4: check of any kind, so to speak, to make up

997
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Speaker 4: for the evils of slavery, and you can't. You can't

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Speaker 4: do these things without also inherently advantaging people today who

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Speaker 4: were not disadvantaged by these historical systems, and also disadvantaging

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Speaker 4: people today who had nothing to do with those historical systems.

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Speaker 4: How would you actually determine who gets these reparations to

1002
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Speaker 4: what degree.

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Speaker 3: Is that?

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Speaker 4: What are the qualifying factors. They've started to look into

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Speaker 4: some of this stuff in California, and I'll just point

1006
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Speaker 4: out what happened in California is Gavin kept saying, yeah,

1007
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Speaker 4: you know, let's just like look at reparations, man, I'm

1008
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Speaker 4: I'm all about justice, I'm all about it. And then

1009
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Speaker 4: it came down to this is going to cost like

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Speaker 4: more than the entire budget of the state of California.

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Speaker 4: I forget what the number was. There was some crazy number.

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Speaker 3: And he's like, well, I mean, I don't like justice

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Speaker 3: that much.

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Speaker 2: Well, and what's crazy about California in particular, Buck, is

1015
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Speaker 2: the state of California never had slavery. So the entire

1016
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Speaker 2: history of the state of California, slavery was never legal.

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Speaker 2: And I think the population is only I think only

1018
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Speaker 2: six or seven percent of California is black, so you're

1019
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Speaker 2: not even talking about a state that has a large

1020
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Speaker 2: black population. And what they proposed in reparations would have

1021
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 2: bankrupted the state of California. Eight hundred billion dollars is

1022
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Speaker 2: what the initial California group here that was. It was

1023
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Speaker 2: one point two million dollars per black resident. Eight hundred

1024
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Speaker 2: billion million dollars according to the Hill dot com here.

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Speaker 4: That's that's a lot of money for a state. I'm

1026
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 4: just gonna put that out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of money. And also, to your point,

1028
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Speaker 2: you end up in a super racist place when you

1029
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Speaker 2: try to figure out how to pay reparations, because I mean,

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Speaker 2: let's be honest.

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Speaker 4: Well, what happens if you have a black father and

1032
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Speaker 4: a white mother. Correct, no, no, no, I'm not gonna

1033
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Speaker 4: you're an Asian dad and a black mom, or you know,

1034
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Speaker 4: go down the list.

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Speaker 2: And also, I mean what happens when your family was

1036
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Speaker 2: not in the United States at a time of slavery,

1037
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Speaker 2: which is a huge percentage of people who have come

1038
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Speaker 2: in from Nigeria for instance.

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Speaker 4: Or you know a Romanian immigrant who's been trying to

1040
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Speaker 4: like save up for his family so who can get

1041
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 4: that first starter home. He's going to be told, you

1042
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 4: know what portion of your taxes is going to have

1043
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 4: to go to this massive bill for reparations for something

1044
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Speaker 4: that you had absolutely absolutely nothing to do.

1045
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Speaker 2: And was it affirmative action ostensibly reparations?

1046
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Speaker 3: And isn't the.

1047
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Speaker 4: Great Society programs and all of these massive government institutions

1048
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Speaker 4: of spending of welfare. Wasn't that all supposed to have

1049
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 4: the function of bringing eliminating poverty in the black community.

1050
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Speaker 4: And in fact, the programs of Lyndon Johnson and the

1051
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 4: continuation of the expansionation and continuity. You just look at

1052
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Speaker 4: the number ups. You look at black family formation in nineteen, say,

1053
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Speaker 4: the nineteen fifties, and then you look at it today

1054
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Speaker 4: and the rates of out of wedlock births have absolutely skyrocketed,

1055
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Speaker 4: the levels of state dependence have absolutely skyrocketed. These programs

1056
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 4: of the government coming in and giving people money to

1057
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Speaker 4: make things better because of historical injustice have overwhelmingly been failures.

1058
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Speaker 4: And now there's enough distance between a lot of these

1059
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Speaker 4: events of the past that people just say, this is

1060
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Speaker 4: outrageously unfair. Why am I being penalized for something that

1061
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Speaker 4: I wasn't even alive during.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the data reflects Thomas Sole has done

1063
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Speaker 2: a great job breaking all this day that from the

1064
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Speaker 2: time slavery ended in eighteen sixty five to nineteen sixty

1065
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Speaker 2: black families were increasing their overall success in the country

1066
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Speaker 2: at an exponential rate. And then as soon as the

1067
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Speaker 2: Great Society started to your point, Buck, you went from

1068
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Speaker 2: most black kids growing up in two parent households where

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Speaker 2: a mom and a dad were present and there was

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Speaker 2: a support structure, which I understand there's lots of great

1071
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Speaker 2: single parents out there listening to us right now. Doesn't

1072
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Speaker 2: mean that your kids are going to struggle individually, But

1073
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Speaker 2: I mean Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were both ended

1074
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Speaker 2: up president of the United States from one parent household

1075
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Speaker 2: but as a group, children do infinitely better in two

1076
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Speaker 2: parent households than they do in one parent households. And

1077
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Speaker 2: the kids who do the worst in one parent households boys.

1078
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Speaker 2: For whatever reason, they can't figure out what the data reflects.

1079
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Speaker 2: Maybe boys need a father figure more than girls do

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Speaker 2: in single parent households, but boys are the biggest deficient

1081
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 2: performers when it comes to one parent household. So what

1082
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 2: is the data now? I think eighty percent or more

1083
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Speaker 2: of all black kids are born into single parent households

1084
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Speaker 2: right now, and that is one of the primary ways

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Speaker 2: to ensure that as a group. Again, not on an

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Speaker 2: individual level, a lot of great single parents out there,

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Speaker 4: And there's this very important government principle of once you

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Speaker 4: spend money on something to achieve a result and you

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Speaker 4: don't get that result, you know what, the government wants

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Speaker 4: more money. Yeah every time. It's not like, oh, there

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Speaker 4: would be some reparations bill and that would be the

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Speaker 4: end of it. There would be some form of reparations,

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Speaker 4: whether it's funding for business grants or whatever it is

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Speaker 4: that you know. RFK Junior was talking about in specifics,

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Speaker 4: It would not have the intended effect, It would not

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Speaker 4: close the gap, and then they would say we need

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Speaker 4: more money.

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Speaker 3: Yeah guaranteed, no no doubt.

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Speaker 1: Need a break from politics a little to counter the craziness,

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Speaker 1: and so do we. The Sunday Hang Weekend podcast to

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