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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation in series M one eleven. First

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Speaker 1: twenty three knees. It's been nearly a year since authorities

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Speaker 1: an Orson West in California City. Bakersfield Police officials releasing

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Speaker 1: to this. Trazille West details the moment his two adopted boys,

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Speaker 1: you had something to do without yourself. Absolutely, everyone you

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Speaker 1: are hearing verbalized all the questions police were asking, I

430
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: mean to this all star panel, Mark Class, Kathleen Murphy,

431
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Speaker 1: Angie Arnold, Cheryl McCollum, Bayond Wang jump in. The parents

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Speaker 1: were pretty darn calm. No neighbors had seen the children,

433
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: They had not seen them out playing in the yard. Nothing.

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00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: The story is not really fitting together. So much was

435
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: wrong with that picture, Cheryl McCollum, Honey, everything and wrong

436
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: with this picture. And the more law enforcement did, the

437
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: more it led them to believe that something was just

438
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: absolutely not right in California City because they kept going

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Speaker 1: back to Baker Still. One thing that happened is they

440
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: brought in cadaver dogs. Nothing. They brought in search dogs.

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00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: Search dogs hit on the two boys on the inside

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00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: of the house, never on the outside of the house. Wow.

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Speaker 1: In the last hours, we have breaking news. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our friends and cut twenty one ABC seventeen.

445
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Speaker 1: Two parents have now been charged with the murders of

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Speaker 1: the case of their missing adopted sons in the Antelope Valley.

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Speaker 1: In December of twenty twenty. Trezzelle and Jacqueline West told

448
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: investigators four year old Orn and three year old Orson

449
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: disappeared from their backyard after an extensive investigation, today the

450
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: current county district attorney revealed the boys have been declared

451
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: dead and actually died three months before they were even

452
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: reported missing. This is not the outcome that we and

453
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: so many had hoped to pray for over the last year.

454
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: We now realized that the search for the boys began

455
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: after the real tragedy had already occurred, and there will

456
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: not be a resolution completely in this case until these

457
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: boards have brought home. The parents are facing second degree

458
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: murder and child abuse charges. Bayon Wang explained to me

459
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: what we just heard, well, what you just heard was

460
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Speaker 1: the DA basically report of the DA announcing that Worston

461
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: or in West were believed to be deceased. They are

462
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: believed to be deceased three months before the parents supported

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Speaker 1: them missing. So they think that between September first and

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Speaker 1: September thirtieth, the boys were killed by the parents. And

465
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: this is a crucial time period here, because around September

466
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: is when the parents packed up their bags and moved

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Speaker 1: from Bakersfield to California City. To you, Mark Klass, Why,

468
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: as Bayon Wang is saying, and I agree with him,

469
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Speaker 1: by the way, is that such a critical date I

470
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: mean the September date, because that was approximately the time

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00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: that the DA said that the children were murdered. So

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00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: you've got this confluence of little children not having been

473
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Speaker 1: seen by anybody at basically the same time that the

474
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Speaker 1: parents moved to another location, vastly populated location that three

475
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: months later, all of a sudden, the children disappeared from

476
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: the yard, and I think the parents were just basically

477
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: trying to trying to justify why the children were not

478
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: around anymore, not class before we went to air ease

479
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: the words the word transactional explain well, listen to what

480
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: we're looking at. Our two parents who obviously are not

481
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Speaker 1: that concerned about the children, because they don't join in

482
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Speaker 1: any search efforts. They don't do absolutely they do absolutely

483
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 1: nothing but hang out at their house while the children

484
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: are missing. But at the same time, these are parents

485
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: that have fostered four different children plus their two owned

486
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: and that's a transactional situation. The state of California pays

487
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: foster parents in average one thousand dollars to twenty six

488
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: hundred dollars per month to help with the expenses from

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Speaker 1: taking care of the child. So I'm suggesting that the

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Speaker 1: only reason they had these kids in the first place,

491
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: was because it puts some money in their pockets once

492
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: they got rid and once they've been adopted. I don't

493
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: know how bad plays out, but I'm sure there's still

494
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: money involved in it, and they just wanted to keep

495
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: getting that money. What about it, Cheryl, I think anytime

496
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: you are making money off of a child, there is

497
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: the possibility of danger coming to that child because the

498
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: child is not there because of love and wanting to

499
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: raise that baby and have that baby be your own.

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Speaker 1: Even in his statement to the media, he says it

501
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: became ours it. Yeah, I noticed that by On Wang,

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00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: I believe I hear you jumping and go ahead. Yeah.

503
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean the big question a lot of reporters on

504
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: the ground over there had for the DA was, first

505
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: of all, how do you know the boys are dead?

506
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: And do you have their bodies? The DA said, we

507
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: don't have their bodies, but we do have direct and

508
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence that leads us to believe that the boys

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00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: are not alive. Anymore, direct and circumstantial evidence. What could

510
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: that mean? Buy On? Well, I mean, I think you

511
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: kind of mentioned earlier on in the show they've done.

512
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: You know, they've executed forty eight search warrants, collected more

513
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: than one hundred and fifty items searched for different states,

514
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: conducted one hundred and sixteen interviews, and that was numbers

515
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: that we got in December. And they presented all this

516
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: to a grand jury who returned a true bill. Have

517
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: resulted in an indictment, and now the parents faced two

518
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: council secondary murder, two counts of willful cruelty to a child,

519
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: one count of making a false report of an emergency.

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00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: If they're convicted of these charges, are looking at thirty

521
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: years to life in prison. And Nancy, I think most

522
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: people know you were my prosecutor, but if those children

523
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: had gone missing in September, you would have told us,

524
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: go find me Halloween pictures of them, go find me

525
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving pictures of them, go find me of Santa clus

526
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: picture of them. It was four days before Christmas when

527
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: those children were murdered. Was a string of things that

528
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: children would have been the center focus of your family.

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00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: They have no such pictures. As a matter of fact,

530
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Speaker 1: when law enforcement was saying, hey, they're missing, give us

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Speaker 1: current pictures, the adopted parents had none. Time stories with

532
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, you would have thought, at least Kathley Murphy,

533
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: they would have pictures on their phone. I mean, last

534
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: night I was taking pictures left and right and the

535
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: twins just doing a science project. I thought that was awesome.

536
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: I took videos million pictures a day. And Nancy I

537
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: watched her interview and they were asking her about the

538
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: current pictures for these children, and she stubbed, well to

539
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: all over the words, talked about an old phone, and

540
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: it was clear that she didn't have pictures, and it

541
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: was clear that she wasn't prepared to even answer that

542
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: type of question, although they gave there and then internet

543
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: and then I may day, sorry, I should say, three

544
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: or four months after our first interview with them, I

545
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: got a tip that the parents were in Bakersfield at

546
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: the juvenile courthouse. I went there, saw the parents. There

547
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: was no cameras involved. Really just wanted to have a conversation,

548
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: see if we get pictures. At that time, they said

549
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 1: they still don't have their electronic devices back from police.

550
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,959
Speaker 1: They wouldn't give me their phone number. I even said, guys, look,

551
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who want to hear from you.

552
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: Can you at least issue a statement to me? Nothing

553
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: on camera? Just tell me a statement that I could

554
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: get out there for you guys, and they wouldn't not hey,

555
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 1: thanks for searching, you know, or anything like that. And

556
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: they claim that, you know, they've been threatened, you know,

557
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: the lives have been threatened, and that they have been

558
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: doing their own price their lives. What yeah, I mean,

559
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: come on, there was a there was a huge outcry

560
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: after the first interview we with the did with them.

561
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: The only interview we did with well, their lives if

562
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: they were threatened was because they're not doing anything. I mean,

563
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: why would you not issue a statement asking people to

564
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: help find your children and thanking the people that had

565
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: helped find look for your children. I don't understand that

566
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: I was looking for a statement along those lines. They

567
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: just they never got one. They wouldn't tell me a

568
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: single word. But how did they say? No? What did

569
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: they What was their response? Well, they basically just said

570
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: right now, no matter how we say it, whether we

571
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: say thank you you know to the community, whether we

572
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: say um, you know, please go and search for the

573
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: kids even more than they think, no matter what kind

574
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 1: of adjective now and whatever they would say that someone

575
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: would find a way to use. Who cares? Bay on

576
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: who cares? I mean, come on, Kathleen Murphy family lawyer,

577
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: who cares what people say about you when your children's

578
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: lives are on the line. Oh yes, I see how

579
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: parents every single day don't care what people think about

580
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: their children. They put on these images and they don't

581
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: really have the truths out there. Meta one of these

582
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: parents had the truths out there, They're going to put

583
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Speaker 1: an image in and that shows their sense of culpability

584
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Speaker 1: with regard to these children that are missing and Nancy.

585
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: When they were on video, the father, and I use

586
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: that term very loosely, had his arms tucked under his

587
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: armpits for over fifteen minutes in a very defensive state.

588
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: He is clearly in that video hiding something. Guys, I

589
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to the current county

590
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: district attorney speaking in our cut twenty five this morning.

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Speaker 1: I'm saddened to announce that the investigation has revealed that

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00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: Orn and Orson West are deceased. The investigation has also

593
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: revealed that they died three months before their adoptive parents

594
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: reported them missing. However, I am pleased to announce that

595
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: this week, the Kerrent County Grand Jury indicted Trezelle and

596
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: Jacqueline West, the adoptive parents for the murder of Oran

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Speaker 1: and Orson West, to Mark Class founder off Class Kids Foundation.

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00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: It is exactly as you said. They authorities believed the

599
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: boys were murdered three months before they were ever reported missing.

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Speaker 1: You know these people, when you have people that will

601
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: make any excuse for inaction, will do absolutely everything they

602
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: can to ensure that they don't get involved in the

603
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: search or have to make a statement. You're looking at

604
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: somebody that's hiding something, and you're talking that in itself.

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00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys are all the lawyers, but that

606
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: in itself seems like a circumstantial situation where you're going

607
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: to look at these people and go, what in the

608
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: world is wrong with these people? What are they doing?

609
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: I think that the DA did a great job. I

610
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: think that I think she must have presented some amazing

611
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: evidence to the grand jury, and I just hope that

612
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: she has everything that she needs to be able to

613
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: convict these people in a court of law. What do

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00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: you think they have, Sharyl McCollum, direct and indirect evidence

615
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: that the boys were killed three months before. I find

616
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: it interesting that they come out and say the prosecutor.

617
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: They were killed three months before they were reported missing.

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00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: What could she have I think she had a lot

619
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: of things as testimony from the older siblings, how the

620
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: treatment was in the house. I think they have cell

621
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: phone pings. I think they possibly have photographs. I think

622
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: they've got the statements from the neighbors saying we didn't

623
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: even know six boys were ever over there. We never

624
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: saw any boys ever. They've got the evidence that's circumstantial,

625
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: but from the canines. And they also have two things.

626
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: A statement from the mamma when she says, well, I

627
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: know they ain't out there walking around, and then we

628
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: find out that Orn had a fractured left leg, so

629
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: I guess she was right. And what does that mean

630
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: to you guys? A fractured left leg? I mean to me,

631
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: it says they were horribly abused. I mean, bayond Wang,

632
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: what do we know about how a little boy at

633
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: this young age, three to four years old has a

634
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: fractured leg that takes an awful lot of force to

635
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: break the leg of a three year old? It sure does.

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00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: What about it, bayond? I mean that was something we

637
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: asked an investigator and employees often they wouldn't tell us

638
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: how that occurred or if that. They would never confirm

639
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: that with us. We tried to get the information, we

640
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: never got it. And these two counts a willful cruelty

641
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: to a child. I would suspect that maybe that has

642
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: something to do with it. And he read the indictment.

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00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: They believed that other people were involved in both the

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Speaker 1: cruelty to a child and the secondary murder charge. We

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Speaker 1: asked if anybody else was detained or arrested. They weren't

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Speaker 1: able to confirm. I'm trying to understand what that means.

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Speaker 1: Other people may have taken part in the mistreatment or

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Speaker 1: even the death of these two children. I wonder where

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Speaker 1: are the Bio parents. Do we know that Bion? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know the mother is in Bakersfield, and we spoke

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Speaker 1: to her a few times, went in the first month

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Speaker 1: of the investigation, and then she actually started I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: thinking herself, but she wasn't comfortable was talking to us anymore.

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Speaker 1: But as you could imagine for any mother, absolutely devastated.

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Speaker 1: She said she had planned on, you know, getting her

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Speaker 1: acts together, get you know, fixing a few things that

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Speaker 1: may have resulted in the boys being taken. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: absolutely devastated. Mark Class, I just you know, the boys

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Speaker 1: are dead. The DA has told us so. They were

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Speaker 1: dead three months before they were ever reported missing. And

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Speaker 1: now I hear about the bio mom out there somewhere

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Speaker 1: talking about Wow, I really wanted to get my act

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Speaker 1: together so I could, you know, be part of their

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Speaker 1: lives day late dollars short. I've been following this case

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Speaker 1: for a long time and this was the very first

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Speaker 1: time I've heard that one of the boys had a

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Speaker 1: broken leg. And I'm just trying to envision how little

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Speaker 1: tiny child with the broken leg is going to hobble

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Speaker 1: away from his yard and some hell get picked up

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Speaker 1: by somebody. This doesn't make any sense. This is just

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Speaker 1: I heard that the evidence. I heard that the broken

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Speaker 1: leg was two years ago. It wasn't a recent broken leg.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't know that, and I

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Speaker 1: still don't know how he broke the leg to start with.

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Speaker 1: But I know this, I mean, I believe that was

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Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy to Mark Class. Thinking about that broken leg.

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Speaker 1: There is no telling what kind of hell these two

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Speaker 1: little children went through before they were finally murdered. Their

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00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: lives must have just been pure hell. And I think

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Speaker 1: we just got a glimpse into that, didn't We One

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Speaker 1: of these two going to get the death penalty while

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Speaker 1: they are being arraigned as we speak right now in Bakersfield.

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Speaker 1: I know they were arrested two days ago in Western

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Speaker 1: current money, and so the thing's going to go straight

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Speaker 1: to trial. Well, we'll have to see. I don't think

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Speaker 1: they get I don't think death penalty is on the

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Speaker 1: table here. I think it's well, you're right by, The

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Speaker 1: death penalty probably is not on the table, even though

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Speaker 1: California does have a death penalty, and more than one

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00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: body equals mass murder under the law, and you've got

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Speaker 1: children and just three and four. But it's not going

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Speaker 1: to happen. Mark class By on his right, Well, it's

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Speaker 1: not going to happen for a variety of reasons. The

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Speaker 1: governor unilaterally shut down death row. He's transferring all of

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Speaker 1: the death row prisoners into general populations. So one man

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Speaker 1: overrode the power of the law and the will of

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Speaker 1: the people in California, and that means that these two

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Speaker 1: will probably live a long and prosperous life behind bars,

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, with us paying for it. Three hearts

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Speaker 1: in a cot. We wait as just as Sunfalls, Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Crimes story, Signing off goodbye, friend in my Room,