1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Give it a chance, give it a chance, give it 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: a chance. Good morning, give it a chance, Give it 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: a chance, give it a chance, give it a chance. 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: Good morning. Give it you want to give it a chance, 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: give it a chance, give it a chance. Just hi, folks, 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: it's us, Kevin, Divine and Casey Jo. Just back up 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: in it. 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: Wow, you said my name and your name. I like that. 9 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: I switch it up every time. 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: Switching it up is the spice of nights. 11 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: Is that the song today? 12 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: Yep? 13 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: So I want to tell switching it up. 14 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: Nights, first of all, welcome back to give it a chance, 15 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 2: Casey and I do just that with songs that I 16 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: don't know. I guess it's a subjectively arrived at thing. 17 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 2: But you know, I don't know if we would say there. 18 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: I mean, reviled is a strong word. They're not revived. 19 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: Millions of people like them, but there's something about them. 20 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: I think what we're revolving every day as humans, but 21 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: we're evolving in terms of I think. The way I 22 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: see this, you know, just to peel back the onion 23 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: is I see it as songs that the world hates, 24 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: and then also songs that we might dislike to some degree, 25 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: and I think obviously. 26 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 2: The world is big enough that even something where millions 27 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: and millions of people love it, that means there's billions 28 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: of people that are either ignorant to it or actively 29 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: don't like it. Yes, and I'm always going to be 30 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: one of those three categories. I like it, I'm ignorant, 31 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: I don't like it. But the thing that I so 32 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: also something people should know. To this point, I think 33 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: this is our fifth Omar. 34 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. 35 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: So we're doing these apps and I think that to 36 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: this point, Ksey has really burdened that carry the burden, burden, 37 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: the load loaded bird up. 38 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: It's a tough burden too, It's really hard. 39 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: He's exhausted. I'm looking at him. It's a lot, but 40 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: he's the songs and that's been part of the conceit. 41 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: And today I don't know if we'll do this every 42 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: five epps. If that's like, we'll figure it out. 43 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: If it's a really thing today, young Deebs, it's. 44 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: Up to young Deebs forty four years young debs to 45 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 2: pick the song. And you know something I do want 46 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: to say. Something I love about doing this with you, 47 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: Casey is like I feel like we could talk for 48 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: hours and hours about the sweet and the sour and like. 49 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: Uh oh wow. 50 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: And like I just we push and pull like a magnet, 51 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 2: do you know? And so I want you to, you know, 52 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: spend some time with do you know what the song is? 53 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: I'm so close, I'm almost there. I'm getting it. I'm 54 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: getting sort of a. 55 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: It's almost like you can see the sort of like 56 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: the outline, the contour, almost like the shape. 57 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: Is this like an Incubus song? 58 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 2: No, I will tell you that I made a conscious effort. 59 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: There was some like nineties stuff I wanted to go to. Yeah, 60 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: some stuff that's close to genres of music I actually 61 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: do like a lot that I wanted to go to, 62 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: which I feel like we've flirted with a little of 63 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: that a few times, some kind of like bastardized version 64 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: of something. And then I was like, I kind of 65 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: wanted to pick something more current, current ish and something 66 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: that I will have to work and I want to 67 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: work today. I want I want. I hope we gave 68 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: Rascal Flats in the last up enough of a chancy. 69 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: I want to give this a chancy because it is 70 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: a challenge for old debs. 71 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: I'm feeling incredibly positive today Okay, well you may, I'm 72 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: gonna bring it. Wait, so it sounds so familiar. 73 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: What song is that you need to tell you? Yes, 74 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: little known artist, similar complexion hair, I have red hair, 75 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: similar instrumentation from the place where we fought a revolution 76 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: to say great from back in seventeen seventy shearing. It's 77 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: an it shearing song. 78 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: It's a sheer. 79 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: And maybe that's too. 80 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: On the nose, but I I it's so funny. Now 81 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: I hear the now I hear this sweet and Sour part. 82 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: I couldn't. I literally was like, what omp biscuit lyric 83 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: is that? And I was like, that's why when you said, 84 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: like the shape, oh this shit, Okay, now it's all 85 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: it's all sitting in my nogging brooking. 86 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 2: Millions of people presently love this dude, and this song, 87 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 2: by all accounts, seems like a perfectly nice man. Yeah, 88 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: but that's not what we're here to talk about. I'm 89 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: going to talk about the shape of you by going 90 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: Edwin Shears, all. 91 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: Right, you know the drill. Everybody go listen and report back. 92 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 2: I'm sorry about Sweet and Sour and FM and is 93 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 2: doing okay. 94 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: Man. It's interesting because on paper, when you said this song. 95 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't if I dislike that song. 96 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you. I was like, maybe you're 97 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 2: even a fan. A lot of people are fans. Everyone 98 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: loves Taylor, and uh, we can have a whole Taylor season, 99 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 2: get really really hated on or loved. 100 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: I think they're they're they're they're comparable in that I 101 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: think the world loves them. And I don't know. There's 102 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: like moments that I like of both those artists and 103 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: and like this song. There's moments I like, but it's funny. 104 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: And you said, like you said the song, and I 105 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: was like, oh, I don't know if I hate that, 106 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: I don't. I can't like totally remember the last time 107 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: I ever chose to like I've chosen it to put 108 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: it on, but I didn't think I disliked it, and 109 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: I will a time. 110 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: Ever have you ever chosen to put it on? 111 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: Never? Okay, I've never clicked playing the song, but I've 112 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: heard it plenty obviously, Like this is a huge this 113 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: is a massive hit for him. 114 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 2: You go to supermarkets, Yeah. 115 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I like them. I like a supermarket 116 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: and I actually I like supermarket music. I you know, 117 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: I love his dentist office. 118 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: Music, very very special genre. 119 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: Yes, if it's this, it's it's like it's throwback. So 120 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: it's like de barge. I like it, yes, you know, 121 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: and I love dentist music. It's like it's like the 122 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: cleanest of R and B. Yes, yes, And this has moments. 123 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: You carding of me. 124 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like it should be like theme songs 125 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: that of like eighties sitcoms that never were and but 126 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: this is Yeah, this is definitely grocery store music. And 127 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: that's incredible to get played in a grocery store. Oh 128 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: my god, Like there's a there's a cough, there's a 129 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: coffee house level that I think is almost like easier 130 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: to hit, you know what I. 131 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 2: Mean, Like I can tell you it absolutely is. At 132 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 2: some point in his career had a song like on 133 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: a Starbucks sampler or something like that. Yeah, yeah, I 134 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 2: can get it, I think so. I think it was 135 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: somewhere around. It would have definitely been in the brief 136 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: flirtation with Capitol Records. So two thousand and six seven 137 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: something for put Your Grost Stress, probably Brooklyn Boy or 138 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: Stay probably credible because it's quieter. 139 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That feels like a coffee out. Yeah, okay, 140 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: it's the title. 141 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 2: Right, Brooklyn boy. 142 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Like you make you like you're at Starbucks 143 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: ordering and you're like, maybe I'm a Brooklyn boy. But 144 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: so this is it's this is so interesting because yeah, 145 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: like I know that the lyrics again, like I don't 146 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: want to get hung up on it, all right, I 147 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: know we're starting. 148 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 2: With chancey or start with anti chancy. 149 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: Asy, I think we go chancy, we go Chancy. 150 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 2: Okay. 151 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: So there's definitely some cool guitary things, like this guy 152 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: thinks about layering, and there's some fun parts. Especially I 153 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: think he's like, I'm going to step out of the 154 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: box here and I'm going to try to make this 155 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: dancy Timberlake song. Yes, And I think he accomplished that 156 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: and knocked it out of the park. 157 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: Dude, without question. And it's funny. I actually remember for 158 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: some reason, it's not something I do. One of the 159 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,559 Speaker 2: reasons I was I picked this is because of exactly 160 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: what you're talking about. I remember the first time I 161 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: heard this song is I believe the first time he 162 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: performed it. It was on the Grammys, and I don't 163 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: know where I was that I was watching the Grammys. 164 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: It's not a yearly thing for me, but I was 165 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 2: for whatever reason this year. And I'm pretty sure he 166 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: did it in advance of the record coming out, which 167 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: really indicates a degree of confidence for a person who's 168 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: that that big to be like, we're going to play 169 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 2: a song from our next record on the Grammys and 170 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 2: that the Grammys were like okay, And it was him 171 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: grown with his guitar and he built like you know, 172 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: came up or someone like that. He built all of 173 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: the percussive loops and then played the song. Now I had, 174 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: you know what. No, I'm going to save the rest 175 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 2: of that sentence for maybe when we get to Aunty 176 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 2: Anti Chancy, but I do remember thinking, like, well, beyond 177 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: even what you just said, which is more about the 178 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 2: actual construction of the song, I mean execution of it, 179 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: I did think that was like, you know, I can't 180 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: have one set of rules for thinking. It's like cool 181 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: when Nirvana wants to play rape Me on MTV before 182 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: the album's out and have it not apply to Ed Sheeran, 183 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 2: that's cool. He was definitely able to be like he said, 184 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: I want to do something no one's heard before. That's 185 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 2: not a thing people do now I know in music 186 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: at all, so Propstad sharing for that too. 187 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: I think he's probably, you know, a forward pushing artist 188 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: in certain aspects, not all, but like in a lot 189 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: of aspects he gets he tried. I think he probably 190 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: wants to push more than he even can, and maybe 191 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: he's held back just by like, oh you know, maybe 192 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: it's a label. Maybe it's just an inner voice that's 193 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: like no stay sort of simple. But I bet you 194 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: he's got a lot of that in there. Oh back 195 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: to that like confidence. 196 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 197 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: I always think about that thing where Tom Petty his 198 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: label was like, we want you to make a Greatest 199 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: Hits album, like put all your best songs on the 200 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: Greatest Hits album and can you write a new song 201 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: for it? And Tom Piddy was like, how am I 202 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: going to write a new song that fits on my 203 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: greatest Hits? And then he wrote Mary Jane's Last. 204 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 2: Dance that's absolutely insane. Oh that's the genesis of that song. 205 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: He wrote it for the greatest hit like he wrote it. 206 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: I mean like he just wrote a song and it 207 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: happens to be like like one of his greatest hits, 208 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: but he wrote it for the greatest Hits out it's 209 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: and it and it blew wow. It's like it's pointing 210 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: to the it's pointing to the the bleachers and hitting 211 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: a home. 212 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: Yes, it's absolutely and whow. I never knew that. I 213 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 2: was literally just thinking that song the other day and 214 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: thinking how it because I don't remember. I don't think 215 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 2: it's on Wild Flowers, right, you said. 216 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: It's on the Greatest Hits, right on the great that's 217 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 1: the first album it appears on. So I remember thinking 218 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: like what because it was in that general timeframe, and 219 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: thinking it's the last time, like Tom Petty played that 220 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: song on the MTV Video Music Awards, like in the 221 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: middle of West Coast hip Hop, the ascension of like 222 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: Biggie and Wu Tang and whatever and nahs and like grunge, 223 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: Tom Petty was still like and he and it was 224 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: like him in the middle of that, and I was like, 225 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: I think that's probably the last time he was like 226 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: an MTV artist, not like a VH one artist. Total 227 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: used to be. It's so funny there used to be 228 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 1: a difference between the two, and now neither of them is. 229 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: VH won't even exist. 230 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it's just like love and hip 231 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: hop and like reality shows. 232 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 2: Oh, it's right, they were like all of that. That's right, 233 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: almost pre Bravo kind of yeah, yeah, okay. Anyway, No, 234 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 2: I think that what you're saying too about that's wild. 235 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: That story is kind of blow in my mind. I 236 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 2: think that what you're saying too about his inner compass 237 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 2: or whatever ed shear and it's funny. I don't know 238 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 2: if this is real or not, but there's something that's 239 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 2: like memed that's been floating around in the periphery some 240 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: conversation between him and David Byrne, and I kind of 241 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 2: think it's meant to be a joke, but I can't 242 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: tell they're kind of playing on the square or it's real, 243 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: and they're talking in David Byrne more or less says 244 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 2: to him, I think you should really push out more, 245 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: you know, like push and he's talking about like the 246 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: like kind of musically or production wise, and he's kind 247 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 2: of like no, like kind of like everything. And at 248 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: some point it Sharan's like, well, you know, like millions 249 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: of people really like what I do and he's like, yeah, 250 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 2: but it's not very good. 251 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: Wow really, so which makes me think it. 252 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 2: Must have been a bit like they must have been 253 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 2: like ed, Shearon would like to talk to you for 254 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 2: you know, MasterCard presents two artists talking on YouTube or 255 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 2: whatever the hell is that they would be talking to 256 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 2: each other on between two. But I do think that's 257 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 2: it's clear like that thing, it's clear he comes from 258 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: like building that what that song becomes from production perspective, 259 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: which is very impressive and layered and nuanced. And yes 260 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 2: it does have the like cleanliness and perfections that come 261 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 2: from now what is like pop music in a box 262 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 2: and a computer, but it also does have a human 263 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 2: element to it. And I think that it is exactly 264 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 2: as you said, It is kind of cool that this 265 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 2: guy who is kind of known prior to this as like, 266 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: you know, maybe this is a pejorative but like kind 267 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 2: of a milk toast balladeer, like a guy that's saying 268 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: kind of like easy to like, and you know, young 269 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 2: dude that like you know, your your grandma might be 270 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 2: like I heard a really nice song in the supermook 271 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 2: the other day, and I think he was like, what 272 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 2: if I wrote a song that was like a sex song, 273 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 2: a dance song, and a traction song, a new love song, 274 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: a body song, not a brain song. Yea and I 275 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: think it's hard to do that well and the jury's 276 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 2: out well is subjective. I wonder I could talk about 277 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: this later. My thing with the song, well, I'm talking 278 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 2: about it now. My thing with this this is that 279 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, I guess what is sexy is infinitely subjective. 280 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 2: But a song like this feels to me like it's 281 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 2: wearing the clothes of that without actually necessarily like achieving 282 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 2: the uh the core. But I but I think the 283 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 2: there's all there's points to be given for the uh. 284 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: It takes guts and it's like a little vulnerable and embarrassing. 285 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is right, and and I think he like 286 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 3: owned it. 287 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: I agree that I wouldn't say that this song is sexy, 288 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: but I also don't think like sexy back is sexy, And. 289 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: It's those songs that they are. Those songs. Sexiness has 290 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: have actually aged very poorly, I think. But but at 291 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 2: the time, everyone I knew was like, you know, very 292 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 2: j Tim was top of the groups. 293 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: Studios, yeah, walk and but like, yeah, it's interesting because 294 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: I I do think he pulls off making a song 295 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: like that. There's a you know, here's the thing I 296 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: think Ed Cheran probably had. I'm not sure of like 297 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: his history, but I think that's I think I don't 298 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: know his history. 299 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: Trust me, he has. 300 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: He's a you know first hand apparently on a record 301 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: right now, this is Chancy News. I would say that 302 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: it's it's yeah, he he accomplishes that. I think he 303 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: writes he used to write songs for other people. I'm 304 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: pretty sure that he. 305 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: Was like as as a songwriter for artists, and. 306 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: Then I think he was like I want to push 307 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: myself and like obviously a record company was like you 308 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: have red hair, and like you're not you. 309 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: Know what what we traditionally attractive or so. 310 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: But I think and he had to push through that, 311 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: which I give him a lot of credit for doing. 312 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: And then I think this is like he wrote as 313 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: if he wrote this, like Rihanna could do this song, 314 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: especially like to you know that section that's like like 315 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: of you we pushing pool like a magnet. 316 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: Do that's totally her? Yeah, yeah, very well identified. 317 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: Even like you know, come on now follow my lead, 318 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: come on, you know, like he's. 319 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: Definitely doing like there's like a reggae influence, maybe a 320 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 2: Jamaican in flints. There's something like a dance hall thing. 321 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: He's definitely like filtering that through the Ed Sheer. 322 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: And Sean Paul would kill this too. 323 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 2: Jean Paul would kill it too. I'm sure. I bet 324 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: those artists heard it and we're like, you know, what's 325 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 2: the jay Z thing? And then when the NAS that 326 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 2: this song for the NAS. 327 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: With you made it a hot yeah. 328 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 2: Exactly, yes, yes, yes. I wonder if there are people 329 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 2: who heard this that were like, that's cool. I would 330 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: have destroyed this song, but you did a nice job. 331 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: I think Sean Paul would crush it. I I you know, 332 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: I don't know other people that would pull this off, 333 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: like maybe timber Like maybe Timberlake. 334 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: He would have had that. He definitely would have had 335 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: the He would have been encouraged and he would have 336 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: had I think the self confidence whether you know again, 337 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 2: there's like so many funny lines that exist between self 338 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: delusion and self confidence. But he would have absolutely this. 339 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: I mean, this would have been a song he would 340 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: have had at some point some version of this. And 341 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 2: I think that really what we're circling and driving home is. 342 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 2: I do think as especially listening to you, credit due 343 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: credit due for like you know, like Magnet do Yeah, 344 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: just like Manet credit due you know, and credit do. 345 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 2: I don't have to say anything else, like he tried 346 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 2: to try something. I think that, you know, there is 347 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 2: something to be said to I have a lot of 348 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:30,479 Speaker 2: very mixed thoughts about the kind of the flowers that 349 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 2: get thrown at a certain level with certain artists, with 350 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 2: certain infrastructure and certain It's very mixed. There's a part 351 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: of me that feels like it must be very hard 352 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: to be up there, and there's also me that feels 353 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 2: like sometimes like they're being graded on this ludicrous curve 354 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 2: that like other people who have a lot more actually 355 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 2: at stake in some ways, uh, you know, aren't afforded. 356 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 2: And there's something to be said about the flattening of 357 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 2: like critical lens and commercial success in anyway. That being said, 358 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: I do think it's really embarrassing if you are up 359 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: where a guy like Ed Shearon is and you try 360 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: something like this and it's a total failure. Like what 361 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 2: was the what was get him to the Greek? Is 362 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 2: that that movie a freaking child thing that the Russell 363 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 2: Brank character does, And it's basically like that's like a 364 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 2: that exists because that's real because people do that, and 365 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 2: you're like, oh my god, what the hell was that. 366 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: And to think of a of like a version of 367 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: that from pop culture, like I know, like Huff Daddy's 368 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: probably done some really weird things. 369 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 2: Do you remember when he did the Godzilla theme song? 370 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: I doubt he was led Zeppel. 371 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 2: They did an s mL skit about he did that 372 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 2: then where Tim Meadows played him and it was just 373 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 2: they played classic rock songs and then. 374 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: He would just go, that's so funny. 375 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: You're like, I don't want to close, come with me, 376 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 2: I don't want to come with me again. 377 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: That's so funny. I love that, Oh, Tim Metas, I'm 378 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: trying to think of there are other ones that there 379 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: definitely exist out there. I'll probably think of them later 380 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: and be mad, but yeah, I know exactly what you're 381 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: talking about. You could fall on your face totally. 382 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 2: I think there was a little bit more of a 383 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 2: trope with those like seventies, eighties into early nineties, like 384 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 2: kind of feather rock bands, cock rock bands, whatever the 385 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: hell like that kind of there was the inherent bloat 386 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 2: that kind of came with like now we're a big band, 387 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 2: we should do our double album where we bring in 388 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 2: floutists and you know, squire from some third world country 389 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 2: we just read about for the first time or you 390 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 2: know whatever, there was that kind of I think that's 391 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 2: where that kind of comes from. 392 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: And another risky thing that I think of is like 393 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: Miley's journey was probably one of the hardest things to accomplish, 394 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: where you go from Hannah, Montana to party in the USA, 395 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,479 Speaker 1: which isn't that hard, but like everyone's like, oh wait 396 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: a second. 397 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 2: She's been here maybe yeah, yeah, yeah. 398 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: Then it's sort of this messy version of like a 399 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: kid using like Molly references, and there's this like we 400 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: can't stop wrecking ball into now she's like hosting this 401 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: New Year's thing with Dolly Parton, like I think like, and. 402 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 2: Along the Way also made a fucking weird art rock 403 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 2: record with the Flaming Lists Yeah like, which wasn't really 404 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 2: either act best hour, but cool that they did it, 405 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 2: crazy that. 406 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: They huge win for Flaming Lips, like I bet you 407 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: got so much so much more like it probably kicked 408 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: them back up a little bit. 409 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: They played on us Now as her band, Oh wow, yeah, 410 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 2: I didn't see that. And Zilla god she I mean, 411 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 2: she's part of her art because she got to know Godzilla. 412 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: In college once. Also on the Godzilla soundtrack. In college 413 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 1: once a band that used to play at the coffee 414 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: shop was like, we're going to do the Green Day song, 415 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: but we're going to do the Godzilla remix, which is 416 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: brain stew but it just with sounds, and the drummer 417 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: just screamed god Zilla sounds. It was a really funny bit. 418 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: Oh that's pretty good. 419 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: And because that's if you listen to the remix, it's 420 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: just that it's the song but with so it's like, don't. 421 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 2: That's real, that's the thing that exists. 422 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's brain stew Godzilla remix, but it's 423 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: just brain stew with Zilla screams from the movie. 424 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 2: Wow. Oh no, I thought they just made that up 425 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: at the coffee shop. I was still. 426 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, they covered it like he put it and put 427 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: them in exactly where they go. Oh, I wanted to say. 428 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: I like the lyric and now my bed sheets smell 429 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: like you. 430 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 2: I'm so glad you pointed this out. Please go ahead. 431 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: I like that lyric. I think it's really visual. I 432 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: think it if you've ever you know, I bedded a lover, 433 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: there's this you know, like when they leave and you 434 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: and you and you smell them she's it's visceral, and 435 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: he put that in a song in a way that's 436 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: like not gross and not like braggy. It's really kind 437 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: of heartfelt. And I think that lyric alone, you take 438 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: it out, not just that, not the not the couplet, 439 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: not the rhyme of like last night you were in 440 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 1: my room, and now my bed, she'd smell like you. 441 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: It's really I'm focusing on my bed, she'd smell like you. 442 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: It's really, it's just a it's a good lyric. It's 443 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: to throw into a pop song. It's incredible. 444 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: I like that you pointed it out because I'm gonna 445 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 2: be honest. When I was first listening to the song 446 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 2: as we were in our little private spheres and and 447 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: you know, I got there and I had so it's funny. 448 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 2: I had a journey in four minutes through each chorus. 449 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: The first time I had the opposite response where I 450 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 2: was like first, I was like, oh god, it's like 451 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 2: I kind of was like, it's kind of cheesy. It's 452 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 2: kind of also like it's kind of like I was 453 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 2: a little bit like, is it gross? It makes me 454 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 2: sound like a puritanical prude. Definitely like kissed at least once, 455 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: but I was like it was sheer, yeah, all of 456 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 2: my kissing and but yeah, so and then by the 457 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 2: second course, I was like, that's actually kind of cool. 458 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: Everyone or most people, not everyone, that's not fair to say, 459 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 2: but like you said, everyone who's had this experience has 460 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 2: had that moment where you're living and you know, sent 461 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 2: is a very strong sense memory thing, kind of can it. 462 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 2: And then by the end I was like, no, it's 463 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 2: the best lyric in the song. Now, when it's time 464 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: to move away from Chancey, I can tell you about 465 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: some other things I felt differently about and did not 466 00:23:41,440 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: have that journey. 467 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: Hit me hit me, which. 468 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 2: Ones I can't abide by that whole second verse, I 469 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: have a real part. 470 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: When we again, let the story begin. We're out on 471 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: our first date. You and me are a thrifty so 472 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: go all in, So go all you can eat, fill 473 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: up your bag and I fill up a plate. It's real, 474 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: like what just happened in the song, it really diverges. 475 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 2: There are also a few things I'd like to talk 476 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: about and what just happened, you know? All right, So 477 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 2: he's pointing out there's a few things in the first verse. I, 478 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: you know, I just would say from like a lifestyle place, like, yeah, 479 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 2: the club's not the place to meet a lady, but 480 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 2: the bar is. I'm like, look, we've all had our 481 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 2: fair share of whatever. But I would say they're both 482 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 2: not necessarily probably the best place to have, you know, 483 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 2: we if you're looking for long term, lasting connection of 484 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 2: a certain kind, it's maybe they do happen at the 485 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,719 Speaker 2: club in the bar. There's people who get married all 486 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 2: the time from that and not The marriage is the 487 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 2: point of every blessed unions, you know. But you know 488 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, I think that he's got Maybe he's 489 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 2: got it. Sounds like he's I'd like to talk to 490 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 2: him about his methodology with respect to how he chooses 491 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 2: his partners. But that being said the second verse, so 492 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 2: am I to believe this guy? This guy could play 493 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl halftime show. He might have already. I 494 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 2: don't know. No one would blink. Look, I'm not a materialist. 495 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 2: You know, we all live in capitalism. We have to 496 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 2: make our way through. I'm not somebody who prioritizes that 497 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 2: as the you know, that's not where my brid gets 498 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 2: buttered but Ed Sheeran can take somebody to a little 499 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 2: bit nicer place than China Pagoda on Fifth Avenue in 500 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 2: Bay Ridge, you know what I mean. And certainly when 501 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 2: they're you could be thrifty's that's cool. Maybe there's a 502 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 2: little bit about this that's like disingenuous in a just 503 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 2: folks way, right. 504 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: Right, it's it's it's the country music guy that's like, 505 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: I'm just like you. But then he's got like a 506 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: private jet and all that. 507 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 2: It literally is one of the ten biggest artists in 508 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 2: pop music, if it may be fewer, and so I 509 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 2: get the part of the brand with him and Taylor, 510 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 2: who in some ways do mirror one another, is actually 511 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 2: that they are meant. You are meant to see yourself 512 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 2: in them to some degree. I feel like there's two 513 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 2: things that happened with celebrity at that level. One is 514 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 2: we are meant to look at them and be like 515 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 2: they are untouchable, they're Greek gods, or they are the 516 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 2: ones that you're supposed to see yourself in, and that's 517 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 2: the brand. And I think that he is mega, that 518 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: he is mega supposed to be like a dude that 519 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 2: you you're not. You know, so I could understand from 520 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 2: a writing perspective wanting to like step away from that 521 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 2: to be relatable. But I just want to say, as 522 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 2: a fairly normal ass person, it is not normal and 523 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 2: relatable to fill up your bag with sweet and sour 524 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 2: chicken on your first date, which Chinese buffet. 525 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: I don't even think people do that. 526 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 2: Fill up their bag, like open their person, throw chicken inside. 527 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: Nobody does. 528 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: He is just like, you know, the first thing we 529 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: do is fill up my shoes and a bunch of 530 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: chicken in it. It's like it's it's like he's like 531 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: if you could picture and be like, all right, what 532 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: do normal people do? Let's see these. 533 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 2: Pigs that the trough fill up their bags with lots 534 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 2: of chicken. It's been a while since I knew. No, 535 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: that's for me. 536 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also confusing. One weekend, right for one weekend 537 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: we go on our first date. 538 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 2: That's a little humble brag. What he's trying to tell 539 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 2: you is like, yes, we've been you know, smacking hunk 540 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 2: in the bobo, but. 541 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: You and me are thrifty. Is really funny. You and 542 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: me are thrifty. This is your first date? Yeah, but yeah, 543 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: you know so much that she's cheap. 544 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 2: That's right, Well, that's part of actually what what is not? 545 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 2: The interior logic of this song is a little flawed. 546 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 2: This is where everything we just said and construction is immaculate. 547 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 2: He has a clear melodic sense. He knows how modern 548 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 2: music moves. But the interior logic of the song, there's 549 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 2: a lot of assumption or like kind of like yes, 550 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,959 Speaker 2: like amost like these people have known each other for much, much, 551 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 2: much longer. But there's also something of there's a lyric 552 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 2: about every day discovering something brand new. Well, I would hope. 553 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 2: So you're telling me that you met this person yesterday, 554 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 2: and that is you've been knowing to be talking to 555 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 2: each other for a week. It's your first date, so 556 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 2: you know, I just feel like. 557 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: Her bag is soaked with sweet and sour. 558 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 2: Chicken, absolutely drenched, and. 559 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: They're talking about the sweet and sour. Maybe that's what 560 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: he means. We talk for hours about the sweet and 561 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: the sour that's in her bag at the time. 562 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that to me was lyric first time 563 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 2: I heard it. I remember, like there's certain things that 564 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 2: we talk for hours and hours about the sweet and 565 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 2: the sour and how your family's doing. Okay, I can't 566 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 2: just catastrophic first date conversation. Could you imagine talking for 567 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 2: hours and hours? I'm talking that's more than one, that's 568 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: probably more than two. It's like three or four hours 569 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 2: about sweet and sour chicken. 570 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, because hours means too at least maybe, and it's 571 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: hours and hours. 572 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 2: So yeah, and I know the sweet and the sours. 573 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: It's meant to be like the good things in life 574 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 2: and the bad things in life, as well as the chicken. 575 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 2: But I might be giving him a little extra cred 576 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 2: on that. 577 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: So he really did go to an all you can 578 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: eat Chinese buffet because he says all you could eat, 579 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: and then he solidifies that with the sweeten the sour. Yeah, 580 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: I actually like it. I like that. Actually I like 581 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: that he's painting it. 582 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 2: Oh that okay, detail like specificity breeds belief. That's what 583 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 2: the journalism teacher told me once. 584 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: Was nice. 585 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 2: That's right, okay, all right, So maybe I'm wrong again. 586 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: So then they get in the taxi. They kiss in 587 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: the back seat, fun little rhyme. 588 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 2: I don't like this classiest bullshit where they tell the 589 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 2: driver like make the radio play. 590 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: Come on, make no one's like it sounds like an alien. 591 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: Make the radio play. 592 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, no one said that every either. I am learning 593 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 2: one sweetens our play. 594 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: And then suddenly he's singing the song that's on the radio. 595 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 2: Imagine, So you make down in the back of her car. 596 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 2: You are fullest speaking sour in your bag? 597 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: Will you know you? I love you? 598 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 2: Know? How is this song on the radio already? In 599 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 2: this interior logic? 600 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: Oh man, someone shoving their sweet and sour tongue in 601 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: your mouth and singing at you, eating you chicken, taking 602 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: it out of your purse, taking it out of your purse. 603 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 2: Let the radio play. And then he's like, it's my song, 604 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 2: spitting chicken, knuckles of chicken. 605 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: Also, how thrifty are you if you're taking a cab everywhere? 606 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 2: That's true, he's not on the tube. 607 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: I also have a lot of issue with I'm in 608 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: Love with your body. Yeah, it's like, I mean, if again, 609 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: if it was Rihanna, I think she could pull that off. 610 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: But I don't really think I'm in love with your 611 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: body is like it's really, I don't know, it's a 612 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: really it's like too simple. Yeah, it's a little too simple. 613 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm in love with your body. 614 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if. 615 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: I said that to my wife. 616 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 2: Well, there's a way you could say that, but. 617 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: The song doesn't exist. The song doesn't exist, and I'm 618 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: just like, I'm in love with your body in a car. 619 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 2: Hey, Lisa, tell the radio to play. 620 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: Driver, Make the radio play. 621 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 2: I also do like that. One thing is whether it's 622 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 2: some purpose or not. Well, sorry you brought something up. 623 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 2: Let's deal with that first. Yeah, it's a little on 624 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 2: the nose, on the body straightforward. There is a sweet 625 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,479 Speaker 2: way to say that. There's a sexy way to say that. 626 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 2: There's a revealing way to say that. There's a vulnerable 627 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 2: way to say that. There's a like holy shit way 628 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 2: to say that, you know, and then there's like a 629 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 2: kind of like it's almost an afterthought the way it's 630 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 2: expressed here, but it's like an it's managers to both 631 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 2: be an obvious afterthought, which is like over two. You know, 632 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 2: I wish you guys could see there's a face of 633 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 2: almost de niro esque concern on Casey right now. He's 634 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 2: really I'm watching him really parse this. 635 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always felt that it, you know, it's it's 636 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: definitely like he's setting up like he's in love with 637 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: this person and he's doing something so baseline as like 638 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: I love you, I love your body. 639 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 2: I think the whole thing. There's a push and pull 640 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 2: like magnet do in this song where I think he's 641 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 2: trying to both be like I'm in love, I'm falling 642 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 2: in love, but also like, let me emphasize, like this 643 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 2: is kind of cool, Like I'm having like casual sex 644 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 2: with this person and eating Chinese food and making out 645 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 2: in a cab while I sing my own song to 646 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 2: her and he chicken in her face. He wants you 647 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 2: to know like he's cool, but also he's falling in love. 648 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 2: And the shape of you? 649 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: What's the shape of you? Does he because he doesn't 650 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: really he doesn't the body? Is it just body? Because 651 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: he's describing like this relationship, so are you. Maybe it's 652 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: the shape of the whole shape. But then he's just saying. 653 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: And then also that bridge where it's come on, be 654 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: my baby, come on one hundred times. 655 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 2: I wanted to say this. We're at the ninety second mark, 656 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 2: so I just want to make sure that we land 657 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 2: this plane. I will just say the bridge is the 658 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 2: one total bullshit, total bullshit that is like if that 659 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 2: took more than two minutes. What I really think is 660 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 2: he had the rest of it, and then it was 661 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 2: like we need a bridge, and he was like no. 662 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 2: I just say like, come on, baby, come on, and 663 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 2: I'll just say it a bunch. We'll bring it, we'll 664 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 2: bring it back in the end. There'll be some cool 665 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 2: production stuff. It'll be fine. Yeah, that part's you know, 666 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 2: that part is saggy. 667 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: He's like, I'll do it live. 668 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 2: I like the idea of him as a tyrant in 669 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 2: the studio to you know who I am smell like shit, 670 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 2: I mean case. I think I think we've done a 671 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 2: fairly thorough excavation of this, and I appreciate you showing 672 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 2: up with your best both enthusiasm and critical lens. 673 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: I look forward to listening to more Edge Heeran from 674 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: this point out. I think I've given I've given him 675 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: a chance. 676 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 2: Damn. 677 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: I want to see what else he's got in this catalog. 678 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: You know, maybe this kid can make it. 679 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 2: Well, we'll see fingers crossed. But for now, please no 680 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 2: A had sex with No. 681 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: Please don't add sex with Edge heeering. That's what you 682 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: want to end the episode, So yeah, that sounds right 683 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: by deed. Bye. Just give a ship m