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Speaker 1: Well, what's up this way up with Angela. Yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: Egypt and Mike Jackson are here with me today as

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Speaker 1: on a season four of Married to Real Estate, a

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Speaker 1: number one show on HGTV by the way, than you.

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Speaker 2: If they love it, then you need to support it

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Speaker 2: and let folks know, yes, because there's rumors out there

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Speaker 2: right now, there's you know, TV, terrestrial television as a

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Speaker 2: whole is going through some problems where they're losing viewership

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Speaker 2: a result, it's leaving just the audience that does not

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Speaker 2: average age of those who watch terrestrial television is a

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Speaker 2: lot higher now, it's like sixty and seventy year old.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's and so as a result, the folks

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Speaker 3: Right right.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I feel like you guys have a

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Speaker 1: because I can see that happening. But you're right, because

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Speaker 4: They call it cut in the cord.

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Speaker 5: The younger generations generation G They're like, we don't even

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Speaker 1: You know what, I think is good that you guys

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Speaker 3: There is therapy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's because I was like, let's talk about some

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Speaker 1: There was one episode where you were talking about Mike's

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Speaker 2: Go, you really watched because that one was like hidden

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Speaker 1: Episode no but you And that was the first time

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Speaker 2: Well it looked at the end of the day, we

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Speaker 3: She's my baby, she's my you know, she's our eldest.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes we can have our laundry lists as women or

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Speaker 3: And you know, just sort of this squeaky clean, boring

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Speaker 1: And I know, Egypt, with your background in radio and

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Speaker 1: You know, Egypt, I don't listen I know you hate

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Speaker 2: You know, you're gonna go through ebbs and flows, just

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Speaker 3: Instead of asking me for things, or checking in with

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Speaker 2: It's really just about shifting. Okay, it's a buyer's market now,

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Speaker 2: seller's market. What's the name of the gang? This you last, right,

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Speaker 2: do you own? Do you day trade as well? You know,

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Speaker 2: And so, yes, I was a radio personality. I was

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Speaker 4: No, That's why I'm bringing you back how is the

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Speaker 2: of uncertainty because of all of the talk and fear

443
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,159
Speaker 2: mongering in the economy. Again, it's cyclical. You look at

444
00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,960
Speaker 2: the charts. I don't care what's happening in the press.

445
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,840
Speaker 2: You look at the charts. It's doing what it has

446
00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,960
Speaker 2: always done historically. It's going down, then it's going to.

447
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:15,920
Speaker 3: Come back up. Yeah.

448
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Speaker 1: And you know, from your point of view, Mike, when

449
00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,639
Speaker 1: we think about that too, because we talk about the

450
00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,560
Speaker 1: cost of things now of lumber, you know, for you

451
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Speaker 1: having your own, being able to renovate people's homes and

452
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Speaker 1: even finding workers as from what I'm hearing, has been challenging.

453
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Speaker 6: What's it been like for you?

454
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Speaker 5: So my crews have been around with me for some time,

455
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Speaker 5: so I haven't had issues there. However, I do know

456
00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:43,760
Speaker 5: of some companies that have lost men to DEI to immigration,

457
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,040
Speaker 5: I mean ICE pulling them.

458
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Speaker 4: Out of it.

459
00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,080
Speaker 6: To be clear where Ice too.

460
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Speaker 1: Sometimes people are scared even if they're here and they're

461
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Speaker 1: supposed to because they're rolling things programs back where people

462
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,040
Speaker 1: were able to stay and did things the right way,

463
00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,240
Speaker 1: and they're still neglecting that. They're also saying, oh, this

464
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Speaker 1: doesn't count anymore. We're shutting this program down and someone's

465
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Speaker 1: scared there.

466
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Speaker 5: So there's a lot of guys that will work in

467
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Speaker 5: the companies and they will still do their own thing

468
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Speaker 5: like stand out front in front of home depot to

469
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Speaker 5: get some work. Just last week in an area in

470
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Speaker 5: South Fulton, they literally lined up about thirty guys and

471
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,920
Speaker 5: took them in, you know, so sad, which is unfortunate,

472
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,680
Speaker 5: and they were real workers legally here, so they're dealing

473
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Speaker 5: with that right. But with regard to lumber and things

474
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Speaker 5: like that, we've had seen an increase in supplies as

475
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Speaker 5: far as tariffs, so we have to take that in

476
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Speaker 5: consideration when you're doing quotes for properties or work, and

477
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Speaker 5: it makes a difference. However, there hasn't been a big

478
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 5: punch in our area. We've been we've been thriving, so

479
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Speaker 5: we haven't felt the impact as of yet.

480
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Speaker 1: And you know, I've been watching the show because you know,

481
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Speaker 1: I'm always fascinated by renovations to see like what the

482
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Speaker 1: plan is, you know, what are they about to do,

483
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Speaker 1: and a lot of times as homeowners, you're making a

484
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Speaker 1: decision to stay within your budget. You know, am I

485
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Speaker 1: gonna custom paint these cabinets or am I gonna have

486
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Speaker 1: to neglect that so I can get the tiles I

487
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Speaker 1: went in my bathroom. And that's why I think it's

488
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Speaker 1: also really great to have people who have relationships sometimes

489
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Speaker 1: even being able to get the tiles that are going

490
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Speaker 1: to be hard for people to get as long as

491
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Speaker 1: you know people who are able to pull those in

492
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Speaker 1: and source them.

493
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Speaker 5: Relationships are big in this business, big time. I mean

494
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Speaker 5: in that same business construction business, real estate business. Speaking

495
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Speaker 5: of real estate, I just saw an article where they

496
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Speaker 5: said that thirty percent of the African American family has

497
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Speaker 5: been thriving a lot more when it comes to the

498
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Speaker 5: purchasing of properties.

499
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Speaker 4: Did y'all see that?

500
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Speaker 1: No?

501
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Speaker 6: I did not see that.

502
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Speaker 5: Look it up amazing that it's amazing, and it caught

503
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Speaker 5: my attention. I said, Okay, that's good news in real estate.

504
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Speaker 5: So it's something to look out for because a lot

505
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Speaker 5: of people think they can't do it.

506
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Speaker 6: Oh no, you're right.

507
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Speaker 4: It's feeling like I just can't afford it. I'm not

508
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Speaker 4: going to do it, so they want to.

509
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Speaker 1: Be try ub dedicated to helping people like make sure

510
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Speaker 1: they get into it.

511
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Speaker 6: What would you tell me?

512
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that are like, I want

513
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Speaker 1: to do some fix and flips right, But it's not

514
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Speaker 1: as easy as it sounds.

515
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Speaker 6: So why isn't it well?

516
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Speaker 1: Because I think sometimes I've had people come to me

517
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Speaker 1: be like okay, Like they'll want to buy something and

518
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 1: they think that it's going to be on schedule. A

519
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 1: lot of times it's not, you know, just to be honest,

520
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Speaker 1: because with my own experiences and other peoples, a lot

521
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Speaker 1: of times it's not. You have to be able to

522
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Speaker 1: have a little bit of wiggle room, you know, for

523
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Speaker 1: certain things. And I also tell people like some people

524
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Speaker 1: will put like their last dollars into something and not

525
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Speaker 1: have reserves left over because sometimes things don't happen of

526
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 1: cost what you think it is. You have to go

527
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Speaker 1: back and fix something that somebody didn't do properly, or

528
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: you rip that wall open you find that it's worse

529
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Speaker 1: than you thought it was. I mean, there's permit issues,

530
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Speaker 1: there's neighbors that you can account for that are going

531
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Speaker 1: to be calling the cops and delaying your project. There's

532
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Speaker 1: so many things that I think factor in that. You

533
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Speaker 1: also have to be flexible enough to say, if things

534
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Speaker 1: don't happen on schedule, how can I adjust and make sure.

535
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Speaker 1: That's why I always like to tell people if you

536
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Speaker 1: don't feel like you're ready. I don't ever want anybody

537
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Speaker 1: to put themselves in a position where you know, it

538
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 1: can be extremely stressful or they could even lose a property.

539
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Speaker 2: I was twenty two, twenty two, twenty three years didn't

540
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 2: have a lot of money. I think I had about

541
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Speaker 2: thirty two thousand dollars in savings in the bank.

542
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Speaker 6: That sounds like a lie back.

543
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Speaker 2: It does sound like a lot, but not when you're

544
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Speaker 2: buying a house and having a renovation. You know that

545
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 2: money goes really fast, right. So I bought a house

546
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 2: multifamily in Newark, New Jersey. This was my first flip house.

547
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Speaker 2: Had to replace the waistline, pay was tarn the roof,

548
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Speaker 2: you know, doing all these things, and the money went fast.

549
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: It was definitely scary, but for what I purchased the

550
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Speaker 2: house for sold I sold it for two hundred and.

551
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Speaker 3: Twenty five thousand.

552
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Speaker 6: That's amazing.

553
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Speaker 2: Fit do you see like, will you gamble, will you

554
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Speaker 2: take a calculator risk. I mean, don't make commulated really

555
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 2: risk and definitely do the numbers right. Make sure the

556
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Speaker 2: numbers were I'm go your T shirt to say the

557
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Speaker 2: numbers don't work either, do I.

558
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Speaker 3: But if you.

559
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Speaker 2: Have the formula and you have a coach and always

560
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 2: use the rule of three, have three quotes on everything. Therefore,

561
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,239
Speaker 2: if one team fails you you can replace them and

562
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Speaker 2: then also never pay somebody the money.

563
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Speaker 5: All of.

564
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's potentially draws are four draws.

565
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Speaker 1: Sometimes if you can pay directly for things like if

566
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: you can, I'll purchase this stuff from home depot that

567
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: you need, you know, that's help.

568
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Speaker 6: That can be helpful too.

569
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Speaker 1: But I also think for first time people doing it,

570
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Speaker 1: sometimes they don't have a team and you know, so

571
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: you're trying to like take referrals and find people to

572
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 1: do stuff. You're googling stuff, you're going you know, and

573
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: that can also be challenging too.

574
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Speaker 2: But it's it's easier today because now you can go

575
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Speaker 2: on Facebook and look up real estate groups.

576
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 3: You can look up builder groups, you can look for contractors.

577
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 2: You can go in Instagram, you can go on threads

578
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: and just say hey, I'm looking for contractors. In this

579
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 2: area or whatever. You can do that and get referrals.

580
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Speaker 2: Look for groups and communities that are like minded. We

581
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Speaker 2: didn't have that.

582
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Speaker 1: You know, you read about that, because that's the reason

583
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Speaker 1: I started their real estate club was to be able

584
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Speaker 1: to have There's people in the club that are like appraisers,

585
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: like all kinds of people in different places. So I

586
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 1: feel like this didn't work out. Can somebody help me

587
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: with this? There's somebody that could jump in and be like, Okay,

588
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: we got you. We're in the group together. So and

589
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Speaker 1: I love that.

590
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Speaker 3: The name of the game now is by land.

591
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Speaker 2: Though you understand that there's so much money to be

592
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 2: made in land without even having to build on it,

593
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 2: without having to develop on it at all. You can

594
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 2: literally just buy the land and lease it to someone

595
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 2: else who's farming it. Buy the land and lease it

596
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Speaker 2: to someone else who's putting.

597
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Speaker 3: A billboard on it.

598
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 2: Buy the land, lease it to someone that's putting a

599
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,239
Speaker 2: gas station on it. You know, whatever it is, by

600
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Speaker 2: the land, go get these things at the auctions that

601
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 2: you know right now you can. You can in certain

602
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 2: areas use a USDA New Construction loan, which allows for

603
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 2: you to buy the land with zero percent down then

604
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: because you have the land, get a new construction loan

605
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: against it, and you purchased it for you know, you

606
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 2: or you were able to build for literally build on

607
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Speaker 2: USDA land for zero right.

608
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Speaker 6: Yeah, those of how to get things done now, Ejit.

609
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Speaker 1: I also want to talk about you know, I've been

610
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Speaker 1: listening to the podcast, like I said, and you discussed

611
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 1: finding out that you had lupus and doctors not even

612
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: knowing what was wrong with you and then taking this

613
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: chip to BALI.

614
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Speaker 6: I want to hear more about this chip.

615
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 3: Oh, this is a podcast, so you don't have to

616
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 3: cut me off, right.

617
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Speaker 6: Well, it might not all make it on air.

618
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

619
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

620
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Speaker 6: And the holistic approach, because I'm all for that too.

621
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Speaker 1: Write sure, I believe in working alongside doctors with holistic

622
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: things that you can also do and researching that because

623
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Speaker 1: I'm so big on I don't take medicine if I

624
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: don't have to have a headache. I'm figuring out, like,

625
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: what is it that I need to do to get

626
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: rid of my headache and not have to take actual,

627
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, medicine, whatever it is that I can do.

628
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: So talk to me about what that experience is like.

629
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Speaker 1: Because I have to imagine that it was life change.

630
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: So number one, to understand what lupus is. It's an

631
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: autoimmune disease. Many things can trigger it. Some people are

632
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 2: literally born with it and it lies dormant in their

633
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 2: body but comes out in the most stressful of times.

634
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: I didn't find out I had lupus until I was

635
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: in my forties, which I still am, by the way,

636
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: so don't get start. But but no, I had Harper

637
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: and I was always sick. I would literally just wake

638
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: up in the middle of the night and feel like

639
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: I couldn't breathe, my neck was inflamed, or my stomach

640
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: was all of a sudden blown out to here, and

641
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 2: I had rashes on my back or on my face,

642
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 2: and I'm like, Mike, I must have had an allergic

643
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: reaction to something. He would almost on a weekly basis,

644
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: rush me to the hospital, but they could never find anything.

645
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: You know, And that's the thing, is that you'll have

646
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 2: a trigger and it'll you'll have a response, and you'll

647
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 2: have this huge lupus moment or outbreak, and then all

648
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: of a sudden, two days later, be fine. You'll have

649
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 2: days where you wake up I will have days where

650
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: I wake up and I'm like, I just can't move today,

651
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: I'm in so much pain. Everything hurts, and then days

652
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 2: where I feel like I could take on the world,

653
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: and that is really it's a rollercoaster of a life

654
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 2: for your health. But lupus and what that does to

655
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: your body, it causes inflammation as a whole, causes so

656
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 2: many things to go wrong, you know, throughout So I

657
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 2: felt like I was on high alert, just read alert

658
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: all the time. He'll tell you, I have to watch

659
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: what I eat, strip everything down. And it has been

660
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: a very difficult time. But I feel like I don't.

661
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: They feel like like I really rose to it with

662
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: alternative forms of medicine, which.

663
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Speaker 4: We don't come a long way, very long way.

664
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Speaker 3: We don't learn about it hearing.

665
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 2: I agree, But just as vigorous as we are about

666
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: chasing wealth and chasing joy, we have to be about

667
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: chasing answers for our own health, right, if not for us,

668
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: for our kids, for you know, for our parents, whomever.

669
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: So I started learning about alternative forms of medicine and

670
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 2: alternative types of doctors, functional medicine doctors. That's something you

671
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 2: don't hear too much. Have you heard that a functional

672
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: medicine So when you get sick, Let's say you think

673
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: it's your heart, you go to a cardiologist. If it's

674
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: your stomach, you go to a gi you know, specialist,

675
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: but who sits down and evaluates everything and how the

676
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: entire body is functioning together. Have you ever said, like,

677
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: I just wish I could get all five of my

678
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: doctors together to talk.

679
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 6: Time.

680
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. So what a functional medicine doctor does is they

681
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 3: look at the whole body, the meridians in your body,

682
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 3: and they have things like alpha thermography that look at

683
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 3: disturbances in the body as well. They'll read, you know,

684
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: read your.

685
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 2: Body with herbs, and you know, bottom line is find

686
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: a functional medicine doctor. So we traveled to Bali. It

687
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: was really like a spiritual quest as well. But I

688
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: went to I wanted to see this doctor that I

689
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: was told about there. Her name was doctor Bobby. You

690
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: say something, This lady's like in her nineties and she

691
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: could run faster.

692
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: Than all of us put together.

693
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 6: I believe that, And can you faster than call?

694
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: Right?

695
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 4: Right?

696
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: But she I laid down in her hut literally we

697
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: had to go. We were out in the middle, I

698
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: don't know what, and we laid down and she's she's

699
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: like a medical medium, and she read my entire body.

700
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: She told me what was going on.

701
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: Mike was sitting there like this is insane that she

702
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: knows this much about you and you have not said anything.

703
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 3: You just laid her table. So she found a doctor

704
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 3: for me back home. I've been going to that.

705
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: But then I also learned about a few things. There's

706
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: a machine that I have I invested in called the

707
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: Charin and it reads the bodies light and frequency. We've

708
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: been learning how you've been seeing this all over social

709
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: media about frequency healing, vibrational healing, that it's killing things

710
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: like cancer and what have you. But this knowledge, this

711
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: technology has been known on other parts of the world already.

712
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: I got this machine from Denmark, you know. And so

713
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: you sit down and read your circulatory system, your respiratory system.

714
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: It reads everything together and it literally will tell you, hey,

715
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: tooth T fifteen, you know, has a problem, and that's

716
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: why you're experiencing the issue in your ankle.

717
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 4: Damn.

718
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: You know it's connected to the meridian two T three.

719
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: Now it's why you have the headache that runs down

720
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: in the middle of your head. Do you see what

721
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: I mean here? We treat the symptom. If we get

722
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: a headache, we take an aspirin, not knowing that the

723
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: head is connected to the gut by the stomach. So really,

724
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: if you get a headache, should be tre in your gut.

725
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: So so I got all into these alternative forms of

726
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: medicine and ultimately found out that my loopis was brought

727
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: on by the healthy foods that I ate every day.

728
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: I was having a fight or flight response to things

729
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: like broccoli, Oh wow, cucumbers. Why because of the pesticides.

730
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 6: That's wild.

731
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: That's why sometimes you travel to other countries and you're like,

732
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: this is amazing, Like and the stuff that we allow

733
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: here that they don't allow when you go other places

734
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: is wild.

735
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 6: Ye, big difference, man, I love And so does that change?

736
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: Like everything at home for the girls, how you how

737
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: they eat because I know that's a household thing too. Yeah.

738
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: It has gotten me into farming, you know, smart farming

739
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: and growing. I have a whole herb garden and I

740
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: have a vegetable garden, just because you know, for my

741
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: own health, I have to get myself. And our body

742
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: does have the ability to heal itself when we feed

743
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: it the right things and we stopped poisoning it. So

744
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: I had to get that together and then said, you know,

745
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: things aren't getting better in the world. To get it worse,

746
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: I need my girls. We got to go back to

747
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: our roots to like what Nana used to do, growing

748
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: stuff in the backyard, and my girls to know how

749
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: to do this as well, so that they can take

750
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: care of their bodies. That's what It has changed things.

751
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: And I get on their damn nerves.

752
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 4: I'm chasing. I'm like, don't you.

753
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: I'm always stripping the house. He brings the junk in

754
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: and I'm like, like, I'm taking the drunk. I throw

755
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 3: it out.

756
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 6: In my line in my lion.

757
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: All that candy you stashed up on the fourth shelf

758
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 3: of the pantry, that.

759
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 4: Was years ago. That was years ago. Look at.

760
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: Stashed in the You should see. I've been here every day.

761
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: I come in here like determined to not do it.

762
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, let me get a little snack.

763
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 6: Now, Mike.

764
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: There was one episode that man, I hate to keep

765
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: on agreeing with Egypt, but there was one episode married

766
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: to Okay, So there was a closet you guys were

767
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: doing and it was in the bedroom. It's beautiful, like

768
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: this was an amazing remodel. But there was a little

769
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: corner space and by the way, that makes sense. And

770
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: she was like, you know, if you could just move

771
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: the closet over twelve inches and then they could use

772
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: this space. And he was like, look, we don't put this.

773
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: You know, we fraged it out already, we did this.

774
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 6: And I was like, ma'am.

775
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself because I actually had to

776
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: move the wall for the closet in my room and

777
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: I hated having to go to my contractor and let

778
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: him know that, but I came in there. So in

779
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: my bedroom there's a fireplace right and the closet is connected,

780
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: is like right next to the bedroom, but it wasn't

781
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: even on both sides, and it was this not being symmetrical.

782
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: And I went in my bedroom a little bigger, so

783
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: I was like, I need them to move. And I

784
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: had to move the wall.

785
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 6: Over and I was like, Okay, it looks cuteough y'all

786
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 6: put a plant there.

787
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 4: Wait where you going? Where you going? I wanted to

788
00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 4: put it desk.

789
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: He saw it like it was an opportunity to put

790
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: a desk over there, right, or put a sente over

791
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: there or something.

792
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 1: But He told me how we approached when it comes

793
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: time to like, let's just say things are done, and

794
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: sometimes we do. I think I'm majority nobody's gonna stick

795
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: to the plans one hundred percent, right, I think most

796
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: clients are gonna want to change things. What is your

797
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: approach when it comes to that.

798
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 5: At the end of the day, is whatever the client wants,

799
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 5: whatever their budget can suffice, you know what I'm saying.

800
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 5: So I don't care what you want to do. But

801
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 5: in the circumstance that you saw on TV, this one

802
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 5: here as a designer, so she'll she'll she'll design for

803
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 5: days and hours, right, But if the client has already

804
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 5: seen it and approved it, I can't move beyond that.

805
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 5: You know, no matter how great the idea is and

806
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 5: what you also on TV. You know, the angle of

807
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 5: the camera made it look more than what it was.

808
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 5: It was turned into a prayer corner, put some pillows

809
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 5: over there, and no, no, nonna la all of that.

810
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: But the way that clash happens a lot, right signed

811
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: with the work that you.

812
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 4: Have to do, Yeah, it happens.

813
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 5: What happens is it looks great on paper, but then

814
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 5: in the physical space it's totally different, right, even once

815
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 5: you start building, like ooh, this looks too big or

816
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 5: this is smaller than we thought. Right now, if we

817
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 5: catch it before things start getting closed up, I'm all

818
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 5: for it. Let's do it again if the client approves it.

819
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 5: But if it's one of those circumstances where the designer

820
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 5: and the client just speak to each other and the

821
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 5: client says, do whatever you want, and the designer then

822
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 5: comes to us and says, let's move it, and I'm like, okay,

823
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 5: whatever you want now, I'm getting paid every time you switch.

824
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 5: It's a change order, right, So I'm okay with it. However,

825
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 5: but once it becomes to where, okay, we have a

826
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 5: time limit and you said we have to meet that

827
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 5: time limit. Are you sure you definitely want to do this,

828
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 5: let's talk about it because it's going to cost you X,

829
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 5: Y and Z.

830
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 4: Go back to the table and think about it.

831
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 5: Call me tomorrow because a lot of it is made

832
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 5: right there in the moment, right and you just stirre up.

833
00:35:53,080 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sit quiet. Yes, and let's talk about

834
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: Indigo for a second. You know, Indigo Road, and I

835
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: want to discuss like the partnership with JC Penny, how

836
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: that came about, you know what we can expect because

837
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm really excited for that. I always feel like when

838
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: I'm looking for things for the home, it's really hard

839
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: to find things that feel like me sometimes, and you know,

840
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: you're like, why is it so hard to find like

841
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: amazing home goods.

842
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: So you know, Indigo Road is our family of company,

843
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: so we had the real estate brokerage, a design firm

844
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: or virtual design as well, and then we have the

845
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: line of products as well. So this is our newer baby,

846
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: the line of products. We have the home furnishings, but

847
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: now j C. Pennies essentially wanted a capsule line that

848
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: was exclusive for j C.

849
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 3: Penny.

850
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: So if you go to Indigo Road or Amazon or Wayfair,

851
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 2: you'll see more of this Wayfair of the whole line.

852
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: But JAC Penny is like, we want something special that's

853
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,240
Speaker 2: just for us that people can only get at our store.

854
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: So we we have a capsule on what you see

855
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 2: when you go to JAZ Pennies you won't see nowhere else.

856
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 2: So that's amazing, and it's in three hundred plus stores,

857
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: which has been a journey, but it's amazing. So you know,

858
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 2: we need to make a statement we talk about, Hey,

859
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: we want to see each mon. We want you all

860
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: to stay on TV. We want to you know, see

861
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 2: more of our faces and people like you know, like

862
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: us and young folks doing things. And well, then we

863
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: got to get out and support. And that's just the

864
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: truth of If we want more opportunities for ourselves and

865
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 2: for our kids as they grow up, then we have

866
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: to put our money where our mouth is. And that's

867
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: the end of the day. The only way that we

868
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: show our power, true power, is economically. So I do

869
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: ask that everybody get out and support and it's not

870
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 2: going to disappoint.

871
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 3: The line really is beautiful.

872
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 6: I've seen it and you use it in some of

873
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 6: the renovations that you guys, and I'm gonna.

874
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: Send you something to you pick what you want off

875
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: the line. But since you said you got to do

876
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: your bedroom on social media and.

877
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: We're into those tags on social media, I mean a

878
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: lot when you buy the product and just tag it,

879
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: or when you're watching the show and you're like, you guys,

880
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: take this out.

881
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 6: Who do you agree with here?

882
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, exactly. It makes a difference in this day.

883
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: And lastly, you know, I wanted to talk about the

884
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: new York Times article, and I saw you saying how

885
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: hard like you always are having to prove yourself and

886
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: that really upset you. And I can't blame you, Like

887
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: it's exhausting when you're doing the thing, you're having success

888
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: and then here comes.

889
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 6: You know, Oh, well they only.

890
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: Breezed in and breezed out because it's TV. And so

891
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: sometimes people will think that like this isn't real. Are

892
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: they really doing this renovating, Are they really doing this designing?

893
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: Or are they coming in as a married couple and

894
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: putting on it's acting for TV and they're not really involved.

895
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: Listen, we've been very blessed. Here's what I want to say.

896
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 2: If everything were to come to an end today. This

897
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: doesn't end. The businesses don't end. What you see doesn't end.

898
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 2: It just means, oh, you're not seeing it on TV

899
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: and you're not getting the same press. And that's okay

900
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: because we're doing this for years before, right. But what's

901
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 2: frustrating are just when people and we see this a lot,

902
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 2: right because we have social media influencers who you just

903
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: picked up a phone and now you're an influencer without researching,

904
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 2: truly researching. There are folks out there that are not

905
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 2: the real deal. There are people out there who are

906
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: not licensed. There are folks out there who aren't don't

907
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 2: have a business, but they just got a break right

908
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: pick on them. But like literally, for us, it was

909
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 2: just about and I don't even want to talk about

910
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: the publication or the journalists because it's really not about that.

911
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: It's just an implication of the broader issue at hand,

912
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 2: is that I do feel that black talent is under attack.

913
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 5: We are.

914
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 2: It's always going to be harder for us. We always

915
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: got to work that much harder, have to be that

916
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: much more credentialed, We always have to, you know, be

917
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 2: that much more professional. And it's going to be alonger

918
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: road because some folks just have to show up.

919
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 3: We gotta do the work. And I've been and beyond it.

920
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: I've been on HGTV for fifteen years and it has

921
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: been an amazing journey. But it has not been without challenges,

922
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: of course, and not necessarily of the network as much

923
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 2: as sometimes you know, just the public being ready for

924
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: change or being ready to see someone that doesn't look

925
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: like them doing things that they're surprised guy should be.

926
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 3: Doing, Like who do you think you are to have

927
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: a furniture line. Who do you think you are to

928
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: have these businesses?

929
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: Who do you think you are to have a happy

930
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: family and marriage? And it's like we're just trying to

931
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: live our best life period period.

932
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 3: And I want.

933
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 2: What I want is for other little black and brown

934
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: girls to grow up and boys to grow up and

935
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: say I know I can do this because I saw

936
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: them do it. But if we don't see the images

937
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: of ourselves reflected, and people don't respect the equity of

938
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 2: what it means to have that representation as well and

939
00:40:55,440 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 2: give the same opportunities and tell the true narrative narrative,

940
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,959
Speaker 2: then what it really does it keeps our community marginalized,

941
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 2: which is why we feel a true responsibility to show

942
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: up and be authentic and do right by people, because

943
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: if we mess up and miss staff, oh forget, it

944
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:16,479
Speaker 2: messes it up.

945
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: For a whole generation.

946
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 6: People everybody know about it.

947
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: If something happens, your name is online and it's different

948
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: and you're known in that way. It's funny because I

949
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: also think who writes an article and how it's presented.

950
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: I remember I had did this is so long ago,

951
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: but this publication had did an article about like my

952
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: shoe closet. I had all these shoes and I used

953
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: to love to like buy shoes. That was like the

954
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: little treat I would give myself. And the way they

955
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 1: wrote the article was like, she don't own a home,

956
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: but she has shoes.

957
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 6: What a waste.

958
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: But then like literally a month later, they had a

959
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: white woman in there with her shoe closet and they

960
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 1: were like, Wow, she has the most envious shoe closet.

961
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 6: And I was like, well, damn.

962
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 4: Home either.

963
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: But the way that they presented of us right where

964
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 1: was it like I was some irresponsible person.

965
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 3: But they'll stop on that though, why was that? Okay?

966
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 3: Let that marinate for me.

967
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: It bothered me so much at the time, just like

968
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: it bothered me and there were some people who couldn't

969
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: understand why I got so upset that Mike was left

970
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 2: out of the press or that my picture was used

971
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: in an article that was bashing the network, And they were.

972
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 3: Like, why are you so upset? It's just publicity.

973
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 2: I'm like, because it would have never happened to someone

974
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: that doesn't look like me. The problem is black women

975
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: are unprotected. We are we're disrespected often and violated because

976
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: it's thought that who's going to protect and we can,

977
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: you know, And so that hurts so deeply, only because

978
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: all we do is pour our heart and soul in.

979
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: But not just that, not far south.

980
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: We're and you see it. We're in the community. We're

981
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: literally we have nonprofits.

982
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 2: We're literally giving back, like we're literally with everything we're doing,

983
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: giving back when the cameras are off. So it cut

984
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: deeply because we know what it takes for us just

985
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 2: to show up, you know, just to be able to

986
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 2: have some of these opportunities.

987
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 3: And we were so excited for them to come this out,

988
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 3: weren't we We were like, oh my god. We went

989
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 3: all out, like we bought lunch.

990
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: I had a makeup artist. I was like, I can't

991
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: go and set looking crazy. I'm going to be in

992
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 2: the newspaper, you know. We were so excited and welcoming,

993
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 2: Like when the journals came, we did like a big

994
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: ground of applause. And he was there for the interview

995
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: and took the photos with me. So that's why it

996
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: cut deep, because it's like you could have easily just

997
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: said something nice, said anything at all.

998
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 3: Right, you're right, why attack me?

999
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: Because when I watched the show, I can clearly see

1000
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: and hear like, when you guys, I can see that

1001
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: y'all are very expertise in your business, know exactly what

1002
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: you're talking about, and I know people who have worked

1003
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: with you, so we can see that. Hopefully this Angela

1004
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: Bassett thing comes down.

1005
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 3: That was an honor.

1006
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 4: It really was followed through.

1007
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 6: You know, you know who needs to help you with

1008
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 6: your redesigner.

1009
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 3: Well, not for nothing.

1010
00:43:58,760 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 5: It was for me.

1011
00:43:59,520 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 4: What did it?

1012
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: It didn't matter if I never see her again. It

1013
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 2: was like I showed up to support the movie. And

1014
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: you know, often this is a good example even like

1015
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: with what you're doing, we don't know who's paying attention.

1016
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: You're just doing what you love. You show up every day, Angela,

1017
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: you do your shows and you're creating impact, but you

1018
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: don't know how many people know who you are and

1019
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: actually are fans. So I think that was a perfect

1020
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 2: example of how we're fanning over someone else who's created

1021
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 2: impact in our life, like Angela bas Cigarette, Oh my god.

1022
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: And then I was like, I just want to see her,

1023
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: that's all. I had no idea She's gonna walk by

1024
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: me and scream and run back and grab me.

1025
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 7: I was like, I love you and I'm like, but

1026
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 7: you're like, well, I had just left the park car,

1027
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 7: so it was a reminder.

1028
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 3: It's a reminder, that's all. I guess.

1029
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 4: I walked back there was like, we just did that.

1030
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 5: I was like, I said, boy, And meanwhile she was

1031
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 5: pushing me, go move the car before we get a ticket.

1032
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 4: Go the car before we get a ticket. Look, you

1033
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 4: owe him.

1034
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: But honestly, congratulations on an amazing fourth season, you guys.

1035
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been fun for me to watch because,

1036
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, every time we talk, I'm so into watching

1037
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: home renovations.

1038
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 6: I'm into the podcast. I'm into anybody who's in this media.

1039
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: World to see the way that you guys, I think

1040
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: the way that you guys have this background already and

1041
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: being able to just so eloquently speak to people when

1042
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: you work with people in their homes, for them to

1043
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: have cameras come in and feel comfortable, that's a big deal,

1044
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, for people.

1045
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 6: To trust you to be like, you know, you should

1046
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 6: do this, or you should try this. That's not an

1047
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 6: easy thing to do.

1048
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 5: You know.

1049
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 6: For years now, I've been trying to help my parents

1050
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 6: redo their home and they will not allow it. I've

1051
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 6: been trying my damn.

1052
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: Imagine somebody tells you your child, it's like, look, i'm

1053
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: gonna do this for you. I'm gonna take care of

1054
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: it for you, and they won't let you. That's wild

1055
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: to me because if somebody.

1056
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 5: Was wild, we did his mom's Yeah, well not only

1057
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 5: that mother. You know, my mother's in a space now

1058
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 5: where she's like, I got it. You know, I'll have

1059
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 5: my time when you can, when you can pamper me, right,

1060
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 5: And that's a bigger story. But I know exactly how

1061
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 5: that feels.

1062
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, So you're like, let me help you. So what's

1063
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 6: on the vision board now?

1064
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: Interesting vacation. We're headed to Rome and Greece for a

1065
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: couple of weeks.

1066
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 1: We need great Yeah, so I know you're still gonna

1067
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: be working looking at stuff like that's amazing.

1068
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 3: No, we're getting ready. Yesterday we were planning for collection

1069
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 3: too for J. C. Penny.

1070
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: So we're working on that, expanding the empire and the brand,

1071
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 2: but also ownership, you know, because that that's the thing

1072
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, if we talk about, hey,

1073
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: we want to be able to control the narrative.

1074
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: We never want to find ourselves.

1075
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: On an unemployment line again, and we want to be

1076
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: able to build legacy businesses and it's all about ownership.

1077
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 5: Yes, so yeah, the goal is also you know, we've

1078
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 5: been touring around with the possibility of branching out into

1079
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 5: the author field.

1080
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 4: You know, she's already author, I'm author, but coming out

1081
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 4: with a book. Right. We've had some takes on possible movie.

1082
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 4: We tore it around with it, saying stuff.

1083
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 5: I'm not just saying stuff. I'm putting out too the atmosphere.

1084
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 5: Now I'm putting out too the.

1085
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 4: Atmosphere we talked about and we've had That's what I'm saying.

1086
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 4: But you're not sued to talk about I'm putting out

1087
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 4: to the universe. I'm putting down to the universe. You

1088
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 4: said vision board.

1089
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 6: See you wanted a Michael Jackson, you got them.

1090
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 5: But we're doing We're working on more episodes of the podcast,

1091
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 5: which is Marriage Money Podcast.

1092
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 4: Right.

1093
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 5: We're extending that my cologne line ovation for men, the Fragrance.

1094
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 5: My partners and I were getting ready to extend that.

1095
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 5: We have it available on Amazon. We're looking to branch

1096
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 5: out with Jackson Draper Renovations as well, because you know,

1097
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 5: a lot of folks are like, do you have anybody

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Speaker 5: in Charlotte, do you have anybody in California?

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Speaker 4: You have it?

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Speaker 5: So we're gonna actually Mark and I we're gonna go

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Speaker 5: to each and every one of these places to be

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Speaker 5: able to refer reputable clients, I mean reput contractors to

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Speaker 5: our clients.

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Speaker 3: Listen, quigs.

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Speaker 5: Like that. So with regard to the show, though, make

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Speaker 5: sure you tune into You can stream our show on

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Speaker 5: HBO Max. You can get it on Discovery Plus right

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Speaker 5: literally right now, we found out we're also on row Cool.

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Speaker 4: It's TV go, he said.

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Speaker 3: We found out.

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Speaker 5: We didn't know, but Wednesdays at nine, Well, the season

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Speaker 5: just yeah, that's why you can watch it on.

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Speaker 6: It watch it, Okay, I have all those I have

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Speaker 6: HBO Max. That's how I can watch. But I was

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Speaker 6: watching it in real time.

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Speaker 1: So all right, we'll good. We'll go back and rewatch

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Speaker 1: those episodes. If anything, you'll come up with some great

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Speaker 1: ideas when you see it. The transformations, it's always like,

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Speaker 1: d how do you do that?

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Speaker 6: That's the big reveal. Is always it for me like

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Speaker 6: a movie theater in the basement.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know, this was all self taught. I

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Speaker 2: didn't go to design school. It was from flipping houses.

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Speaker 2: All the houses and wanting to cut out the middleman,

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Speaker 2: and just learning design and watching YouTube videos and having

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Speaker 2: a husband that's a contractor making a lot of mistakes

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Speaker 2: on our own house. So that's why I'm what I'm

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Speaker 2: saying is like here you are on your path.

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Speaker 3: You can do this too. Anybody listening, if this is

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Speaker 3: what you want to do, you can do it too.

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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, perfect. Well, thank you guys so much. I

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Speaker 6: always appreciate and love seeing you both.

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Speaker 4: Thank you Wall