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Speaker 1: Two Teas in a Pod which Teddy Mellencamp and Camra

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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, welcome to a special added episode of to

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Speaker 2: Teas in a Pod this week, just because I watch

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Speaker 2: What Happens Live last night with my.

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Speaker 3: Girl Tamra, and you were so good. We had to

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Speaker 3: talk about it.

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Speaker 1: How did you like it?

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Speaker 2: One? You looked so beautiful And I was like so

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Speaker 2: furious that I gave away my green dress now from

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Speaker 2: the Neon.

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Speaker 3: Festival because we could have been this in the same outfit.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'll yeah, I will give you that

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Speaker 1: outfit because you know I can't ever wear it again.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, yours was one thousand dollars. Mine

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Speaker 1: was one hundred and fifty.

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Speaker 3: It's yours. Beach, It's beach.

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Speaker 1: It's some I've been getting all these weird websites for

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Speaker 1: all these different I know I have that, but I have.

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Speaker 2: That same exact like cover up, but it's a cover

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Speaker 2: up for a bathing suit, and it doesn't have a

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Speaker 2: closure in the front.

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Speaker 3: It's just open.

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Speaker 1: So I saw this one. This one is it has

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Speaker 1: like crystals beat it onto it everywhere, So it's one

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Speaker 1: of those you have to It's very delicate. You can't.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't wear it as a cover up. I would

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to sit on it because it's no.

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Speaker 3: That's how my cover up. It hurt me.

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Speaker 2: Remember when I was in for Kyle's birthday and I

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Speaker 2: kept saying how much pain I was in?

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Speaker 3: It was because.

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Speaker 1: Yours was like more of a robe, right it was, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was a robe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but this one.

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Speaker 1: Has big, giant crystals on it. They're not little, they're

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Speaker 1: big ones. They're all different sizes. But it wasn't what

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Speaker 1: I was originally gonna wear. I had this other outfit

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Speaker 1: to wear, and then uh, they're like, oh my god, no,

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Speaker 1: you have to wear this.

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Speaker 3: That's right. You looked stunning.

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Speaker 2: And I appreciated the Stuart Weitzman shoes and chrome.

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Speaker 3: I liked all the things.

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Speaker 1: Those were Ysls.

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Speaker 3: Oh were they they the same one?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, they're the Yls in the silver.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I didn't know they had them in the silver.

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Speaker 2: I thought that because I went into Stuart Whitesman the

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Speaker 2: other day to try to find our other shoes that

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Speaker 2: we like, the black ones and another color, and I

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Speaker 2: didn't have it.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm just gonna ask you questions many,

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Speaker 1: I have a mini setup right here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well we have no rundown today, so it's just

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Speaker 2: my chicken scratch that I wrote down.

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Speaker 1: Where we start? Can we go over the head the

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Speaker 1: taglines really quick?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, okay?

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Speaker 1: Can we Can we do that? Because I mean, oh

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Speaker 1: my god. I I knew that this was an option,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't really want it because Derenda had said,

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Speaker 1: on pause, and so I'm like, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: that's a great one because and of course, guess what happened.

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Speaker 3: What happened.

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Speaker 1: Derenda gave me the text, No, what did she say?

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Speaker 1: She's like, that's my tagline, Like I go, I know,

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Speaker 1: I know, trust me. I was hoping there was another

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Speaker 1: one that was like something about I hate liars or

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Speaker 1: you know, it's cool. Whatever I go, it's a tribute

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Speaker 1: to you, because she's originally the one that always said

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Speaker 1: she was on pause. But let's start with Heather's I

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Speaker 1: lived my life in HD, sharp, bright and more focused

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Speaker 1: than ever. I like that one thought.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was cute.

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Speaker 1: I like that one you want to read the next.

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Speaker 2: One Shannon in Orange County, I call the shots and

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Speaker 2: it's always tequila.

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Speaker 1: I don't love I don't love it, but I don't

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Speaker 3: I don't hate it.

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Speaker 2: But she's doing the thing that Kyle Shannon always do

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Speaker 2: the in Orange County, like Kyle like in Beverly Hills.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think she has. Maybe she has before,

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Speaker 1: I don't think she's thrilled with it, just because you

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Speaker 1: But Emily's has tacos in it. If you want to

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Speaker 1: don't understand this. It doesn't make any sense. What does

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Speaker 1: the taco mean? We saw her last year in Turkey

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Speaker 1: Sandwich inside of a sauna. That would have made sense

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Speaker 3: It doesn't even make okay?

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Speaker 1: Is there some I mean I would rather see, don't

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Speaker 1: waste my time. Come eat my taco, yeah, la la,

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Speaker 2: But my question is, does something significant happen with the

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Speaker 3: Because sometimes there's like.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking, but waste time tacos.

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Speaker 2: Like I don't know, wondering was her biggest fight this

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Speaker 2: year out a Mexican restaurant or in Mexico.

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Speaker 1: We filed in Mexico. Oh, I don't remember. It's obviously

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Speaker 1: some kind of inside joke that we haven't seen yet,

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Speaker 1: is what I'm thinking, because it doesn't make any sense

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Speaker 3: I also didn't get this one.

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Speaker 2: The difference between my past and my present, Well, that's

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Speaker 2: just apples and oranges.

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Speaker 1: Well, you don't get it because she's from New York

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Speaker 1: and so you know apples oranges. I thought was creative, creative, Jen,

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Speaker 1: My core may be strong, but my resilience is stronger

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Speaker 1: that I think it's good considering I know what's coming up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then mine, I might have been on pause,

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Speaker 2: but now I'm ready to play.

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Speaker 1: I would rather say I'm ready to slay.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm glad you said play. I'm glad you should play.

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Speaker 1: But my god, Emily's is so bad.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I need to know if Emily had anything to

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Speaker 2: I mean, of course we always had like everybody always

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Speaker 1: Read exactly exactly now.

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Speaker 3: And then they'll go, it's a bravo ask, and you're like, still, no.

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Speaker 1: That's still a hard pass.

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Speaker 3: So I love that.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, let me, I'm want to ask

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Speaker 1: listened to it. We got into New York City at midnight,

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Speaker 3: I bet well the recap I was.

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Speaker 2: I have to be honest, I always get nervous when

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Speaker 3: Did somebody do their research?

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Speaker 2: and Cynthia is, she was so good. She showed like

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Speaker 1: Any highlights of what she had said or the thing.

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Speaker 2: The biggest thing that she said was that she felt

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Speaker 2: like Shannon was quite cold when it came to when

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Speaker 2: So I watched it with like a little bit of

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Speaker 2: Live last night. When you saw Shannon say she got

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Speaker 1: so you know, it's it is what it is and

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Speaker 1: it's not whatever I You're like.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to get into it.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get into it. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to I don't want to go backwards. But like I said,

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Speaker 1: we disagreed to disagree. Yeah, right there. But so that

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Speaker 1: that same conversation, something really interested happened. That's when Emily

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Speaker 3: wasn't even her dog's bull. It was Archie's Archie's ball.

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Speaker 3: All the things. Something I agreed with on the pole,

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Speaker 1: Well, and then Andy goes something like when he's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: How did that make you feel watching it?

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Speaker 1: I think that one thing that bothered me is Gina's

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Speaker 1: like Tamra talks about her friends, which is so far

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Speaker 1: to say right to your face. I don't do it

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Speaker 1: behind your back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah no, and I agree with that.

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Speaker 2: Also on page six, you said you on your in

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Speaker 2: an interview that Heather did something shitty to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: How long do we have to wait before we find

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Speaker 1: All the way to the n oh hell yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: comes right after our makeup and there's ever a problem,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about it, and then yeah, okay, it's insanity,

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Speaker 3: So that makes me a little bit. How does it

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Speaker 3: yourself you were on watch What Happens Live?

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Speaker 1: I have been on a total high. I've been so

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Speaker 3: Oh I'm really I would have because here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: This is what always happens, and this is why I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I really thought for a moment, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: And I go, Honestly, I don't really like to shade

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what else did he say? Did he say anything?

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Speaker 1: He also said that he really enjoyed our interview, which

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Speaker 2: I know, well, that shows we're you know what, we're

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Speaker 1: Let me just tell you now, I've been walking the

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Speaker 1: tell you how many people walk. Oh my god, Tamara,

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Speaker 1: I'm got on that show. Why are we talking about that?

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Speaker 3: Oh? First to always a twat?

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Speaker 2: Okay. The next thing that happened was I went on

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Speaker 3: You didn't even like, you didn't even need to clear,

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Speaker 3: like you still were mid drinking. You're like forsa.

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Speaker 1: I know I wasn't mid drink. I remember going like this.

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Speaker 3: Do you think she's gonna come for you even.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no her, the bots that are gonna be bought

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Speaker 3: How do I sugarcoat this way? I can't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the bots, Yeah, they're coming from me. Hot

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Speaker 1: I'm sure. Okay, as long as they I'm sick. Bo

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Speaker 2: Okay, this why we're on the topic of Jersey before

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Speaker 2: We didn't cover this the other day, and people are

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing I can say firsthand, I Dolores

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Speaker 1: She just doesn't. No, I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: And so I don't believe it, and I especially don't

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Speaker 1: Do they even talk anymore?

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Speaker 3: I don't. I mean that I don't know obviously, not

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, but now we got to get into

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, Tam, we may have to disagree now.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go back to calling her Raquel. I

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Speaker 1: name's Theodore and they call you Teddy. That's a nickname.

441
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 1: My name is.

442
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:41,400
Speaker 3: Teddy Joe.

443
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 2: I went by Teddy Joe for all of my childhood,

444
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,800
Speaker 2: and the second I got into like grade school, I

445
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:49,640
Speaker 2: was like, it's.

446
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 3: Teddy, Like I don't want to be Teddy.

447
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,200
Speaker 2: I think I Once, she said, I thought it happened

448
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 2: when she like moved to la and I was like, oh,

449
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 2: for Peter's sake, but it didn't.

450
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 3: It happened in the first grade. Have you decided that

451
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 3: there was and show that's right?

452
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 1: You're right, Okay, I'll great I'll give.

453
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, she said there's two Rachel's and I didn't. I

454
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 2: wanted it to be different. But here's okay, here's where

455
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 2: I have my issue.

456
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 3: One.

457
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 2: I have lots of problems with Tom, Like I think

458
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,439
Speaker 2: Tom goes above and beyond. Like when he said the

459
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 2: T shirt comment, it made me feel sick.

460
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 1: I know then I did reevaluate what I would have

461
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 1: been and singing I'm like.

462
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 3: I actually thought what you said was funny and so true.

463
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 3: There's so many times.

464
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 2: That like we are in a T shirt like and

465
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 2: then there's so many times that it's off. Yeah just raise it, yeah,

466
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:37,400
Speaker 2: just lift it up.

467
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,640
Speaker 3: Whatever you're lucky. If I take off my.

468
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 1: Mile exactly, sometimes my underwear around my ankles, like who cares?

469
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're getting it in, what do you care?

470
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,439
Speaker 1: Really, it doesn't matter how you get it in or

471
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 1: what you're wearing.

472
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 3: But in my opinion, saying something like.

473
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 1: That is almost well, it was body shaming, disrespectful. He's

474
00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,040
Speaker 1: already like he just admitted like, yeah, real hot, he

475
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,679
Speaker 1: didn't want he didn't really want.

476
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 2: It, yeah, and like already calling her so I'm not

477
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 2: the way that they talk to one another.

478
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 3: Ariana and and Tom I mean.

479
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 1: It all, that's all. They screamed back and forth.

480
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was, it was I get it.

481
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 2: Those two have a lot to get through. But when

482
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 2: I actually started realizing what Raquela is talking about and

483
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 2: going through, I think she's not crying because she's like

484
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 2: disassociating from what she's done.

485
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 1: And if she's trying to keep her story straight, well.

486
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's also panicked because if she her story, her

487
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 2: boyfriend's going to be furious at her. Right, And you

488
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 2: can tell she's now has a pattern of the men.

489
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 3: She chooses.

490
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 2: Where they kind of control her. And I'm not saying

491
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 2: that she isn't also to blame. Of course she is,

492
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,199
Speaker 2: but I thought that there was a level of it

493
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 2: taking it too far on the attacks.

494
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 1: I will tell you I got a little softer side

495
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: of Lalla about We had a conversation about Raquel color.

496
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 1: We did Color Rachel, and I said, you know, I

497
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: I worry about her mental health. And after watching that

498
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: sit down in her actually showing emotion and everything and

499
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 1: being just totally brutalized by the public, I said, I

500
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 1: feel bad for her. She goes I do too. I'm

501
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: starting to feel bad, I said, because there's something God

502
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: forbid where to happen to her. Yeah, that would be horrible, horrible,

503
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 1: and she's a human being.

504
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:33,959
Speaker 3: But I'm a human being.

505
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: She's a human Tom, I give two shits.

506
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 3: Really.

507
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: I mean at first I felt bad for him after

508
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: last reunion, but after this one.

509
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: He No, That's what I'm saying, Like, Tom, you're your

510
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 2: own issue. Obviously, Raquel has some issues, and everybody attacking

511
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 2: her online that she didn't get emotional.

512
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 3: There's two types of people.

513
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: There's people like me who like I cannot hold it

514
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: in for a second, like it starts to come, tears

515
00:23:59,040 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 2: are going to come out.

516
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 3: I can't help myself. It's who I am.

517
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 2: But there's also people that are able to completely keep

518
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 2: a start, Like, for example, I've only seen Duri cry

519
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: one time, and I've seen her go through some really

520
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: gnarly stuff and you can even just don't cry.

521
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, she get in.

522
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah she can hold it in and she I actually

523
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: asked her about it, and she said, I was kind

524
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: of taught from.

525
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 3: A young age to hold it out like that.

526
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: You don't cry, like through my dad or through my

527
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 2: family or whatever, like this was kind of what happened.

528
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 2: And so she she really doesn't, and I think there

529
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 2: are just some people like that, and I so that.

530
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 2: I also when you could finally see her with Jeremiah,

531
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: who used to work with me by the way, at

532
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: Uta was, Oh my god, I know Jeremiah, but uh,

533
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 2: you can tell she's like trying to find humor in

534
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 2: it because she's so distraught, like she doesn't even know

535
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: what to do, like what end is up?

536
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: Do you think after seeing that sit down, that last interview,

537
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: do you think that Tom and Raquel are no longer

538
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: together and that maybe she said, I can't do this,

539
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: I'm moving forward. I'm gonna have to come clean from

540
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: my own I have to protect myself because I'm lying

541
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: and I'm getting brought down even lower than I should be.

542
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if they're together or not together.

543
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 2: I would assume if he wants to be back on

544
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 2: the show, he probably needs to stay with her because

545
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 2: there's really no connect Like people I feel like still

546
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: will want to hear from her in some capacity, and

547
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 2: I feel like at this point with he's really dug

548
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 2: himself a hole.

549
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts when Rachel said she asked Tom

550
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: if they would be interested in a Threufle.

551
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing.

552
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 2: I think if that would have been a conversation that

553
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: was had brier to them having sex behind her back,

554
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 2: I don't know that it would have been too off off.

555
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: The cuff, not because I mean, right yeah, I mean

556
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 3: I wouldn't.

557
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 2: However, the fact that Ario wasn't involved in it, and

558
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 2: something that made a key point to me was when

559
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 2: uh Raquel admitted that she had essentially an emotional affair

560
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 2: with Sandoval but never felt comfortable fully opening up to

561
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: arian It you start to see what's happening. So, yes,

562
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 2: they all hung out, but I think it was because

563
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 2: of that relationship that she and Tom had built. Yeah,

564
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 2: and so then it it just it's it's sick, and

565
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 2: then you start getting addicted to it, and it's all this,

566
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: it's all these things. But I did think the level

567
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: of attack they were doing at her, like you'll never

568
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: be forgiven your floor on your dirt, like, I don't know,

569
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 2: I don't have that kind of anger and right like,

570
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: and I know that.

571
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: She Ariana was clearly in her angry stage of grief

572
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: because the one time that she did break down and

573
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: cry and Tom's balling, I really felt for her, Like,

574
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I've always felt for her and I feel

575
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: like this is such a horrible situation. But there was

576
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: so much name calling and screaming amongst everybody that it

577
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: was kind of like, oh God, just I want to

578
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: feel the emotion, like I want to hear this, like

579
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: how do you really feel? And not that I wanted

580
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: to see her cry, but that kind of really touched

581
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: my heart.

582
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you could see that, like it it's hurting her.

583
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: And that's the part that actually I think will help

584
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: people not make the same mistakes again.

585
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,479
Speaker 3: The anger and the fighting and the screaming.

586
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 2: So much is like okay, And like, what was James

587
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: even doing other than attack like they've all, I don't know.

588
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 3: It just was a lot for me.

589
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: James is a lot period. How about the thoughts on

590
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: Raquel saying that she hung out with Tom's mom and

591
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: she knew.

592
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm going to get heat for saying this,

593
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: and it doesn't none of what I'm saying is excusing

594
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 2: what I think that Tom did. I think it was

595
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: disgusting and absolutely inappropriate, but I think it shows the

596
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: lack of.

597
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: Relationship that Tom and ari on a truly still had.

598
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I think you can be in a relationship

599
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 2: and not really be in the relationship and the relationship

600
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: and I actually said this to Cynthia the other day.

601
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 2: I said, listen, in marriages and relationships, there are highs

602
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 2: and lows. There are times where I feel really connected

603
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 2: to Edwin and there's times I don't. That being said,

604
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: when you start to feel it loose en up like that,

605
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure you have the same with Eddie,

606
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: then you're like, Okay, I have a choice right now.

607
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 3: I either make the effort.

608
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: To make this better better yea, why I keep looking

609
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: at my phone and avoiding whatever it is that's going

610
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: on with us? Right?

611
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: Can we switch over to watch What Happens Live for

612
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: one quick moment? Yeah, I'm like, Eddie's like, oh, Shannon's

613
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: being mad at you, and and Andy's like, oh, she's

614
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: gonna be mad. When I made the comment that I

615
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: did not see it coming that John was gonna dump,

616
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: was that bad? No?

617
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: I mean it wasn't bad.

618
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: It was just I think the word dump, well, break

619
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: up sounds better than dump.

620
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 3: I know, but like, I know, but you're not don't think.

621
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm not an overthinker, and I don't sugar coat things,

622
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: that's for sure.

623
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 3: I have you talked to Shannon since?

624
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: Why don't you text? I know, I don't know. I

625
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: have so many text messages.

626
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: But like just you can type in s H A

627
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: N N O N oh, thank you mom.

628
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: I love you, my friend. He did a great job tonight.

629
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. And she went on to talk about

630
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: other stuff.

631
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: But yeah, but nothing so she saw it.

632
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: Hope you're having a fun night.

633
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, did VICKI text?

634
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: Was that bad? What I did?

635
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: No? Not bad, but it just it just broke off,

636
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: I said, did VICKI text?

637
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 4: Oh?

638
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: I thought? No? No, no, I thought you meant about

639
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: my comment? No, no, no no, because there was a

640
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: comment where they were.

641
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: Out about Brooks. Yeah.

642
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: Oh and I yeah, and then I just drank. I

643
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: didn't know what to say. I'm like, I don't want

644
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: to give this any life.

645
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 3: No.

646
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: No, I didn't think it was bad. I just meant,

647
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: did VICKI text you to congratulate you?

648
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't

649
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: see it. Maybe she did, Maybe she did in a

650
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: group text. I don't know. I have so many texts

651
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: right now. Ah huh.

652
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: That this is what we call dodging. The question, folks,

653
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. All right, well, I know that you're

654
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: going to go enjoy your trip.

655
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: Is there? What else have we missed anything?

656
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: I think that is good. I do want to let

657
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: everybody not only am I back, but our happy place

658
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: teach the Seltzer's are back. So you go to Vina

659
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: website and order some because you're gonna.

660
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 3: Oh I need some more too. Okay, all right, well

661
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: it tam.

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy for you, honestly, friend, I know that

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Speaker 2: I don't get muchy often, but I did text you

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Speaker 2: last night and I was just like, I'm so proud

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Speaker 2: of you.

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy for you.

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Speaker 2: You are, I know, but you are like you are

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Speaker 2: meant to do this, Like you're you light up the screen.

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Speaker 2: You look so beautiful and stunning, and you're funny, and

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Speaker 2: you're it comes off naturally to you.

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Speaker 3: And I just wanted to say like, I'm so happy

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Speaker 3: for you, thank.

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Speaker 1: You, I appreciate, I love you. And I'm a little

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Speaker 1: concerned for next week's episode that oh no, that's when

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Speaker 1: the sit down with me and Shannon, and it's not pretty.

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Speaker 1: Not pretty, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, guys, Well, I guess you'll have to be tuning

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Speaker 2: in to that recap because is I'm sure we'll have

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Speaker 2: a lot to say and but we'll be back Monday

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Speaker 2: to talk all things Atlanta. H