Speaker 1: What's that at the bed? It's spooky, joky. I'm really
Speaker 1: sure it's dead. It's coming, it's way Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I go byrons jass p Hey boo, it's me Ros.
Speaker 1: I have got a fun conversation coming at you today
Speaker 1: with Amy Brunney, who this time is joined by Adam Barry.
Speaker 1: You probably know both of them from Ghost Hunters and
Speaker 1: of course Kindred Spirits, which their new season is coming
Speaker 1: out on the eighteenth of December. That is their sixth season.
Speaker 1: The show is so good. I love their approach to
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and so we get into it a
Speaker 1: little bit. No chip coffee this time, but crossing my fingers,
Speaker 1: one of these days we'll get chip on this show.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I briefly brought up with
Speaker 1: them on this episode is this idea of an agrigor,
Speaker 1: which is something I've always been fascinated by it. It just
Speaker 1: hasn't come up a whole lot, maybe a time or
Speaker 1: two on this show over the past almost three years
Speaker 1: of doing it, but it's basically this idea of kind
Speaker 1: of can you come up with a ghost just by
Speaker 1: believing that there's a ghost there? And they did some
Speaker 1: experiments with it, on Kindred Spirits a time or two.
Speaker 1: And one thing that's mentioned is the Philip experiment. We
Speaker 1: mentioned that in today's conversation and I've known about this,
Speaker 1: I've read about it in books and I don't know
Speaker 1: have you ever heard of it. I'll tell you about it.
Speaker 1: Did a little research here. So basically most of the
Speaker 1: infos coming from a website called liveabout dot com and
Speaker 1: in the early seventies, nineteen seventy two, the Toronto Society
Speaker 1: for Cyclical Research did this experiment with parapsychologist R. George
Speaker 1: Owen and psychologist doctor Joel Witten. Basically, they wanted to
Speaker 1: create a ghost through communication, you know, with a seance.
Speaker 1: They wanted to make some contact and so they get
Speaker 1: eight people together and they basically just came up with
Speaker 1: this ghost. They made the whole backstory, all these details.
Speaker 1: They said, Okay, his name's gonna be Philip, Philip ayles Ford.
Speaker 1: He's born in England. Sixteen twenty four was the year
Speaker 1: he served in the military. He was knighted at age sixteen.
Speaker 1: They came up with this whole storyline that he was
Speaker 1: an ally to Charles the Second and he was Catholic,
Speaker 1: he was married to a woman named Dorothea, and then
Speaker 1: he meets this other woman named Margo and has an
Speaker 1: affair with her, falls in love with her. She gets
Speaker 1: accused of witchcraft, she's burned at the stake. Then he's
Speaker 1: all sad about it and he kills himself at age
Speaker 1: thirty in sixteen fifty four. So that's basically the story
Speaker 1: that they come up with. So then they, you know,
Speaker 1: get together. You know, they're trying all these different things.
Speaker 1: They have one of the members that can draw real good.
Speaker 1: They do kind of a portrait of the ghost Philip,
Speaker 1: not really sure. Maybe a caricature like you get at
Speaker 1: a boardwalk. I'm not sure. Maybe a painting, I don't know.
Speaker 1: They do something like that, and it's a lot of meditating,
Speaker 1: focusing your mind on this Fillip, you know, this group effort,
Speaker 1: let's visualize, let's focus on him, and they're not really
Speaker 1: getting anything to happen. And then they had this idea, Hey,
Speaker 1: what if we dim the lights down, you know, like
Speaker 1: they like they do in a seance. So they dimmed
Speaker 1: the lights down, and apparently that's when shit went down. Now,
Speaker 1: as I was reading this, a couple of different websites
Speaker 1: I've read we're saying that they were doing the good
Speaker 1: old fashioned like you know, tap once for yes, tap
Speaker 1: twice for no. Although I kept noticing these websites they
Speaker 1: use the word rap, which we got this sixteen hundred's
Speaker 1: ghost rapper. I don't know, but then I had to
Speaker 1: look it up. Rap another word of synonym for strike
Speaker 1: a hard surface with a series of rapid audible blows,
Speaker 1: especially in order to attract attention. I didn't know that. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I know tap, I didn't know rap. Anyway,
Speaker 1: back to the story, So that starts happening, you know,
Speaker 1: one rap for yes, two raps for no. They start
Speaker 1: hearing other kind of sounds. They would hear a breeze
Speaker 1: or feel a breeze at certain times, different vibrations on
Speaker 1: the table. Allegedly, at one point the table kind of
Speaker 1: stood up on one leg, like kind of tilted and
Speaker 1: even moved on its own. They claim that the table
Speaker 1: levitated and even a few times a mist appeared, but
Speaker 1: they never actually saw this, you know, human version of
Speaker 1: Philip as a ghost apparition. But that was kind of
Speaker 1: the goal. But nonetheless, that was the Philip experiment, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting a lot of people that would
Speaker 1: you know that analyze this case. They say that there's
Speaker 1: you know, confirmation bias, that these people are like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm basically they're like, I'm dedicating hours of
Speaker 1: my life with a room full of people meditating on
Speaker 1: some fake ghost, and I want results. So in my mind,
Speaker 1: I'm kinda you know, you spend enough hours doing it,
Speaker 1: you're bound to be like, I think that was something,
Speaker 1: you know, so I think that's a lot of the
Speaker 1: criticism or what people believe was going on here was
Speaker 1: you know, people confirmation bias. Or the other thing could
Speaker 1: be the idio motor effect, which is something we often
Speaker 1: talk about with ouija boards, that unconscious moving that you
Speaker 1: can do, not unlike it's believed happens with ouija board
Speaker 1: or a pendulum or that sort of a thing. So
Speaker 1: who knows. You know, it's certainly a great experiment, and
Speaker 1: it's been done many times since the Philip experiment, But
Speaker 1: it makes you really wonder, like, could some of these
Speaker 1: haunted places that we hear about have ghosts that are
Speaker 1: not even a traditional ghost? Who knows, or you know,
Speaker 1: some people might even say, no, that's not a ghost,
Speaker 1: that's a demon pretending to be a ghost. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Especially makes you wonder when you think about these famous
Speaker 1: places that have been around for forever and there's just
Speaker 1: all these ghosts, and people say, you know, there's a
Speaker 1: little girl named Sally, and then there's there's no records
Speaker 1: anywhere of a little girl named Sally. I think that
Speaker 1: sometimes it could be that kind of a thing where
Speaker 1: people manifested Sally. I don't know, if you believe in
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff, why not very interesting? Anyway, I
Speaker 1: want to toss it on over to my conversation with them.
Speaker 1: But if I may do just a little self promotion
Speaker 1: here up top, I'm gonna be doing a show at
Speaker 1: the Improv Hollywood Improv if you're in Hollywood on the
Speaker 1: eighth of January. Great little stocking stuff for small fun,
Speaker 1: intimate room. I'll be joined by a bunch of other
Speaker 1: comedian friends of mine, and we will not be talking
Speaker 1: about ghosts. But you know, if you like me and
Speaker 1: you like my sense of humor around ghosts, just imagine
Speaker 1: all the other things I can make funny. You can
Speaker 1: get those tickets on the Hollywood Improv's website, which is
Speaker 1: just improv dot com slash Hollywood and this week on Patreon,
Speaker 1: you could hear me talking to these two professionals, Adam
Speaker 1: and Amy, about various paranormal phenomenal like big Foot, time travel,
Speaker 1: we do boards. It's always interesting to hear from people
Speaker 1: that really dedicate their lives to this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: All right, I hope you enjoyed this conversation with Amy
Speaker 1: Bruney and Adam Berry from Kindred Spirits. On with the show.
Speaker 1: I am joined back again with Amy Bruney and for
Speaker 1: the first time ever, Adam Berry.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, So good to be back you guys.
Speaker 1: I am so happy to talk to you. First of all,
Speaker 1: you are so busy, all of you, so I'm so
Speaker 1: grateful that you made the time because you have just
Speaker 1: kept going this whole time, and it's pretty incredible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I mean we did have some down
Speaker 2: time for a minute, but I think we have worked
Speaker 2: through this pandy, the pandemic, for sure. You've been all
Speaker 2: over the place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's been a lot of ups and downs. And
Speaker 3: it's so funny because people are like, well, how do
Speaker 3: you relax after like working and traveling so much? We travel,
Speaker 3: that's what we do, We traveling, go places, so there's
Speaker 3: really no rest you know, we just go out and
Speaker 3: have fun and travel.
Speaker 1: Right because because Strange Escapes Amy your your your paranormal
Speaker 1: travel company. That's back up, and you guys have been
Speaker 1: going places. And when I told people that you were
Speaker 1: going to be on so many people were like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, we want to go on one of those trips.
Speaker 1: And people had all these questions. I mean, what do
Speaker 1: you guys have planned for next year with that?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, so far. So we have a really
Speaker 2: great thing happening in Missouri at the Belvoir Winery. It's
Speaker 2: like this whole disco is Dead weekend, which we're kicking
Speaker 2: off with like a disco zombie party. So that's going
Speaker 2: to be fun. And then we're going to Europe. So
Speaker 2: we have a European cruise booked, which is our first
Speaker 2: time going there. So we're going to be leaving out
Speaker 2: of the UK and going to Spain and France. So
Speaker 2: that's going to be massive. And that's in July. So
Speaker 2: there's more coming. But that that cruise was a lot
Speaker 2: of planning. It took a minute, so we had to
Speaker 2: get that one on the schedule.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Adam, are you going are you going
Speaker 1: to be at the zombie disco. What's going on?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, zombie Disco is happening. We always try
Speaker 3: to plan our outfits and I don't know if I'm
Speaker 3: going to do like discos like disco, Zombie Circa Saturday
Speaker 3: Night Fever, Studio fifty four, Like I feel like it's
Speaker 3: going to be a Studio fifty four. You know, Rager accident,
Speaker 3: zombie person, you know he died, died on the dance floor.
Speaker 3: You know, something's going to be something like that.
Speaker 2: I can't wait. I've got thoughts. I've got lots of thoughts.
Speaker 1: That sounds so fun. Well, see when you talk about
Speaker 1: going to Spain and stuff, do you guys talk about
Speaker 1: that for Kindred Spirits doing Spain, doing England, doing stuff
Speaker 1: like that?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we do.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think this will be I think season seven,
Speaker 2: you know, knock on Wood when that happens, I think
Speaker 2: that will be our our international season or going international.
Speaker 2: We just weren't able to do the last two seasons.
Speaker 3: We've always dreamt, We've always dreamt of like getting into
Speaker 3: you know, like high Clere Castle or something that's like
Speaker 3: been in someone's family for hundreds and hundreds of years.
Speaker 3: And we're looking for their relatives, like, you know, and
Speaker 3: going through all that history and exploring manor homes and estates.
Speaker 3: I mean, let's do that and just pretend that we're
Speaker 3: really love that.
Speaker 1: Yes, Adam, you're in Ptown right, Yeah?
Speaker 3: I live in Provincetome with my husband Ben and our
Speaker 3: two chihuahuas year round, believe it or not. My god, oh.
Speaker 1: My god, I was just talking to do you know
Speaker 1: who is that?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know her?
Speaker 3: Yes, I do, yes, very well, very well more than
Speaker 3: you probably. Yes, I know her.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, amazing. We were just talking on this
Speaker 1: podcast last week about her being in pe Town and
Speaker 1: the spirits of Provincetown. I mean that is that something
Speaker 1: you've experienced?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean I got my I started, you know,
Speaker 3: really looking for ghosts with my husband and a few
Speaker 3: friends back in like two thousand and seven or six
Speaker 3: in Provincetown. Because back then, you know, our friends would
Speaker 3: get to winter sit these beautiful old houses that were
Speaker 3: you know, built in the early eighteen hundreds, and we
Speaker 3: would just go to the house and investigate ghosts. The
Speaker 3: Provincetown is full of a lot of things, you know.
Speaker 3: It's full of energy, it's full of it's full of ghosts,
Speaker 3: and it's so it's so funny because like jer Ginger
Speaker 3: Bne was here all all summer and we connected through
Speaker 3: the paranormal and I went over to where she was
Speaker 3: staying and we you know, sort of looked for ghosts
Speaker 3: in her house. And she's a huge like she's started
Speaker 3: watching our show and has obsessed And I, I, it's
Speaker 3: so funny because I'll stroll through my Twitter of like
Speaker 3: who's who's following me sometimes and I'm shocked at the
Speaker 3: number of drag queens that are following the both of
Speaker 3: us that really like our show, and I feel like
Speaker 3: there's got to be a crossover or something at some point.
Speaker 2: It has to happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: God, well, I'm sure we know a lot of the
Speaker 1: same people in that regard to I know Ginger, I've
Speaker 1: worked with Ginger.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she's so funny.
Speaker 1: You know. It's uh, it's interesting that we're talking about
Speaker 1: that because you know, something that we talk about on
Speaker 1: this show a lot is you know, LGBTQUH relationships to
Speaker 1: the paranormal and representation. I mean, unfortunately there's not a
Speaker 1: lot of it on TV, but I mean, uh, it's
Speaker 1: amazing that you're that you're out there, and I mean,
Speaker 1: do you have anything can you can you speak to
Speaker 1: that experience?
Speaker 3: Oh? I mean, well, uh, you know, I I'd like to.
Speaker 3: I think it's it's changed a lot. I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't think I think coming out of the paranormal closet
Speaker 3: sometimes is harder these days, right, saying I love watching ghosts,
Speaker 3: and I believe in ghosts and aliens and all that.
Speaker 3: People are like, what, you're weird, right, and so it
Speaker 3: sort of flipped a little bit in the in the
Speaker 3: last ten years. But I do think, you know, being
Speaker 3: part of the lgbt Q community, it's like we're sensitive
Speaker 3: to others' issues and feelings. And I think the way
Speaker 3: that Amy and I investigate, you know, we're sensitive to
Speaker 3: the spirits. Like we we're empathetic about their their situation
Speaker 3: and their plight and we want to help them. As
Speaker 3: a ghost community, you know, it's like I think there's
Speaker 3: a lot of there's a lot of similarities. And you know,
Speaker 3: sure we can like brow ghosts out. We can be
Speaker 3: a bro ghost if we want to and be like
Speaker 3: you know, but I think for the most part, we're
Speaker 3: pretty chill and it just works, I think, and I
Speaker 3: think there's a lot of people in the community that,
Speaker 3: you know, believe in that sort of spirituality and are
Speaker 3: open to more of those things.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I feel like our fans like when
Speaker 2: we go to events and things. I think it's pretty
Speaker 2: clear that, especially the last few years, our fan base
Speaker 2: has gotten to be, i know, just a lot more
Speaker 2: open and different. I feel like when we first started,
Speaker 2: it was a lot of like, I don't even know
Speaker 2: how to describe it, but it was just very very conservative.
Speaker 2: I would say, Now it's Yeah, I think it's a
Speaker 2: little it's everyone every walk of life is at our events,
Speaker 2: and I love that, like, and so I just I
Speaker 2: think that's been really interesting. I don't know that TV
Speaker 2: reflects that as much like who is on TV, but
Speaker 2: I think the events to really prove that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and I think that with the way that
Speaker 1: you guys talk to ghosts, and you know, so much
Speaker 1: of your approach is you know, understanding and trying to help,
Speaker 1: and you know, ghosts are misunderstood, and and it seems
Speaker 1: like you guys really are able to you know, have
Speaker 1: empathy to that, and and I don't know, it's just
Speaker 1: I think it's such a cool approach that you guys have.
Speaker 1: But yeah, another thing I love about your approach is
Speaker 1: the experiments. What do you got to tell me about
Speaker 1: this next one or what can you tell you?
Speaker 2: Well, we went really so you know, I will say
Speaker 2: that being on TV and doing investigations differently as you know,
Speaker 2: as much as we can every week, because we do,
Speaker 2: you know, there is we do want to keep people entertained.
Speaker 2: But it also makes us think outside the box. And
Speaker 2: then so sometimes we think of these really crazy things
Speaker 2: that I don't think that we would have normally thought
Speaker 2: of if we weren't trying to change it up a
Speaker 2: bit here and there. And so we do some really
Speaker 2: crazy things this season. But I'd say the one that
Speaker 2: takes the case takes the cake is the case where
Speaker 2: Adam dies essentially, so I speak to that a little
Speaker 2: bit more. But people are going to watch this one
Speaker 2: and think that we've completely lost it, but I would
Speaker 2: say that it worked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a dead man, what was going on?
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is probably the best EEDP session
Speaker 3: you'll ever experience. So we first and foremost, we never
Speaker 3: do an experiment for the sake of just you know,
Speaker 3: doing it, Like there's always a reason behind our experiments.
Speaker 3: There's either a roadblock that we have to cross and
Speaker 3: we have to think outside the box, or we've been
Speaker 3: given an opportunity to try something new. And that was
Speaker 3: that was this case. Greg Newkirk, our friend Greg Newkirk,
Speaker 3: was on this case with us, and you know, he says,
Speaker 3: I have an experiment that will help us essentially get
Speaker 3: closer to the other side and make communication a bit
Speaker 3: more easier. And we needed that. We needed the help
Speaker 3: in sort of bridging that gap and making it easier
Speaker 3: to communicate with whoever this was. It was we were
Speaker 3: at a Liberty Hall in New Jersey, and you know,
Speaker 3: it was more of a meditation intention experiment. But you know,
Speaker 3: I did drink some honey front that was found you
Speaker 3: know that was flowered. Wait, I drank honey made by
Speaker 3: bees where they got the pollen from a graveyard. So
Speaker 3: essentially I was communing with the dead. And then I
Speaker 3: can't give it all away, but yeah, it happens. It happens,
Speaker 3: and it was a weird, crazy meditation experiment. And then
Speaker 3: when I got out of it, it worked, I will say.
Speaker 3: But I also said, our group of people, the ones
Speaker 3: that we work with all the time, Amy John Chip,
Speaker 3: Greg and Dana our core people. I was like, everybody
Speaker 3: has to do this. Everybody has to do this because
Speaker 3: it is a weird it's a weird result and you
Speaker 3: think differently, and everyone should be doing it. So it's
Speaker 3: so yeah, that's probably the weirdest experiment we did. But
Speaker 3: we also did a lot of other things on other
Speaker 3: cases that weren't quite as far out.
Speaker 1: Man the so Greg Greg and Dana Newkirk, who people
Speaker 1: might know also from Hellier and who you guys are
Speaker 1: friends with them work with a lot. When you guys
Speaker 1: had that Salem episode, Man, the devil card that screwed
Speaker 1: me up.
Speaker 2: Well you should have been there. I mean I think, well,
Speaker 2: we were like thinking of like the mathematical odds of
Speaker 2: that even happening, which is basically impossible. So for people
Speaker 2: we didn't see it. Dana just she was randomly pulling
Speaker 2: a card time and time again, and she just kept
Speaker 2: pulling the devil card. I think she did it like
Speaker 2: four or five times in a row. And you know,
Speaker 2: it was that moment where we had to we did
Speaker 2: have to think though, like this doesn't necessarily mean there
Speaker 2: is something evil here, but we you know, it kind
Speaker 2: of let us down the path of whoever is here
Speaker 2: sees us and what we're doing as being devil related
Speaker 2: because they were very religious and so we had to,
Speaker 2: you know, again think outside the box there. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that those are the kinds of things that can only
Speaker 2: happen when the new Kirks are around.
Speaker 1: So well, and then last season I think it was
Speaker 1: maybe the next episode you had the zombie Boy episode,
Speaker 1: which is another one that I have thought so much
Speaker 1: about since I saw where you encountered something that, weirdly
Speaker 1: we have not talked a bunch about on the show
Speaker 1: and Agrigor, can you talk more about what that is?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, well, it's it's all theory. So you know,
Speaker 3: we feel that sometimes there are entities that are created
Speaker 3: by intention and energy. So for instance, if you go
Speaker 3: into a room and you say, this place is it's scary,
Speaker 3: there's a dem there's like something really dark and mischievous
Speaker 3: here in the space, and then everybody thinks the same
Speaker 3: thing and they go in and they're like, oh, looking
Speaker 3: for this dark, mysterious, mischievous ghost. Uh, there is a
Speaker 3: chance that it can just appear because you're sort of
Speaker 3: manifesting it. There's a there's a great thing you can
Speaker 3: look up called the Philip Experiment that explains why that works.
Speaker 3: But we, in this case Zombie Boy, we thought that
Speaker 3: it could possibly be that. And so Amy, Amy, what
Speaker 3: did you say? You were like, let's make up questions.
Speaker 3: You're like, let's make them up.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what they did in the Philip Experiment. That's
Speaker 2: exactly what they did. Is they basically infused the energy
Speaker 2: with trait and personalities and names and a history. And
Speaker 2: so that's what Adam and I did. Obviously it took
Speaker 2: a lot longer than what you saw on the show,
Speaker 2: and our crew thought we had completely lost it. Could
Speaker 2: you just kept repeating the same things over and over again.
Speaker 2: But then when this spirit started reciting what we had
Speaker 2: kind of put out there as fact. Really it's something
Speaker 2: that I think a lot of people in the paranormal
Speaker 2: have played with or thought about over the years because
Speaker 2: the Philip experiment is very famous. But it does open
Speaker 2: up a whole new can of forms when you're investigating,
Speaker 2: because you're like, am I dealing with someone who was
Speaker 2: formally alive? Or am I dealing with something that was
Speaker 2: created by people who keep coming here? So just it's
Speaker 2: another possibility as we investigate that we have to rule.
Speaker 1: Out because is it something that you can i mean
Speaker 1: interact with the same as like a living spirit. Can
Speaker 1: you get rid of it? Can it? Can it? I
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, how is that different?
Speaker 3: I mean we did that. We did encounter. The first
Speaker 3: time we sort of encountered this on any episode that
Speaker 3: was that has been seen by the public was the
Speaker 3: Belvoir Winery episode. I think it was season three episode one.
Speaker 3: But you know, we imbued the space. We got people
Speaker 3: who were familiar with the space and really remembered when
Speaker 3: when that location was happy and when it was an operation,
Speaker 3: and we sort of imbued the space with our positive
Speaker 3: intentions and energies to sort of to counter counteract the
Speaker 3: negative entity that had been created over all of those years.
Speaker 3: What's weird in that case though, the reason why we
Speaker 3: discovered that it possibly could be an agregor is because
Speaker 3: it didn't know what it was. We would ask what
Speaker 3: it what what what its name was, and it would
Speaker 3: say one of our names, or it started playing with
Speaker 3: our fears, like if like Amy said, I hate growls,
Speaker 3: I never she doesn't like you know, disembo voices in
Speaker 3: her ear and she said it out loud and then
Speaker 3: lo and beholds it starts, it starts talking to her
Speaker 3: in her ear to like freak her out, and it's
Speaker 3: it's really kind of scary.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think especially you know, you guys do so
Speaker 1: much research, and I imagine that if you're researching a location,
Speaker 1: you're not finding anything. Is I mean, do you think
Speaker 1: it's something that's calm like more common than we might think?
Speaker 2: I think now it is. I think that with some
Speaker 2: of these locations that are heavily investigated, I think one
Speaker 2: of the byproducts of that we say this a lot,
Speaker 2: is that you know, you have places where people are
Speaker 2: going in sometimes large groups, over and over and over again,
Speaker 2: and these are investigators who all of them just sit
Speaker 2: in the darkness, just hanging on every noise, every experience,
Speaker 2: sometimes scared, sometimes speculating what's going on there, like just
Speaker 2: like they're very vulnerable. They're putting all of that energy
Speaker 2: into those places and then leaving and I think over
Speaker 2: time that does something. You know, we always talk about
Speaker 2: how if you want to put positivity in your life,
Speaker 2: to you know, infuse your space with positive thinking, you know,
Speaker 2: make a visualization board, things like that. So if you
Speaker 2: believe that that works, then why can't the opposite work?
Speaker 2: Why can't you kind of inadvertently infuse your space with
Speaker 2: something that might not be as positive.
Speaker 1: That makes me like, that's that's the kind of thing
Speaker 1: that to me is like motivational speaking, Like you could
Speaker 1: use that as motivational speaking to be like think positive,
Speaker 1: or you could create a demon living in your house,
Speaker 1: a zombie boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's why Adam and I are the happiest,
Speaker 2: cheeriest ghost you'll ever meet.
Speaker 1: Same.
Speaker 3: I know, you know, I've caught my I've caught myself
Speaker 3: like I've caught myself recently like being like nope, don't
Speaker 3: think that what can happen, Like, be careful what you
Speaker 3: wish for, stop doing that, like I've done that recently
Speaker 3: since that we know, and we do it all the
Speaker 3: time now on cases. We try to be We try
Speaker 3: to put the energy out that we want so that
Speaker 3: it doesn't bite us in the butt.
Speaker 1: When did you guys film this last this upcoming season?
Speaker 3: Gosh the summer, Yeah, it was the second the day
Speaker 3: after my second shot in April, April April twenty seventh
Speaker 3: or eighth. We started and then we finished. For the
Speaker 3: majority of the episodes, by July.
Speaker 1: First, Oh my god, So you guys did two seasons
Speaker 1: during COVID.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first one was, honestly, it was so nice,
Speaker 2: especially that first one. At first we were really nervous,
Speaker 2: but then we have such a small crew, and honestly,
Speaker 2: I think that summer, I don't think. I think we
Speaker 2: all kind of took for granted how little COVID there
Speaker 2: was that summer, but it was it was just a
Speaker 2: bit of normalcy for us. It was very therapeutic. It
Speaker 2: was like, you know what, this is just like we
Speaker 2: always do it, and this is one thing that has
Speaker 2: remained the same, except we stayed very close to home.
Speaker 2: We didn't get on any airplanes or anything. This last
Speaker 2: season was you know, it was honestly very much the same,
Speaker 2: but we got to start traveling again. Our whole crew.
Speaker 2: Everyone was pretty much vaccinated at that point, so it
Speaker 2: was just like a whole you know, it was even
Speaker 2: more normal. But it's helped me immensely through all this
Speaker 2: as far as anxiety goes and things.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, because when I talked to you, it was
Speaker 1: it was in January, I believe, so it was in
Speaker 1: between the two seasons, and you were telling me how
Speaker 1: you guys were driving places for the first season or
Speaker 1: for you know, for the first season during COVID. First
Speaker 1: of all, what is that road trip like the two
Speaker 1: of you? Do you guys drive together?
Speaker 3: No, we have very different No, we have very different
Speaker 3: schedules because I don't get up till like noon and
Speaker 3: she's like up at nine and you know, ready to
Speaker 3: like ready to go, and so we do not drive together.
Speaker 3: We have to have separate cars because we do different things.
Speaker 2: However, but also we're all very different paths. Like when
Speaker 2: we're driving, because you're coming from Peetown, I'm coming from Newport.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: That's true. That's true. It takes me. It takes me
Speaker 3: an hour and a half just to like get off
Speaker 3: the cake to get going. So it just doesn't it
Speaker 3: doesn't work. But so when we fly sometimes we fly
Speaker 3: together and that's always fun as long as there's alcohol
Speaker 3: on the plane.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow, we're flying bright and early.
Speaker 3: Ooh, don't even question. We're going to Vegas tomorrow and
Speaker 3: like I know it's going to be eight forty five,
Speaker 3: but I definitely am going to have like a screwdriver.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, see, because I just have been
Speaker 1: picturing you guys on some road trip singing. I don't
Speaker 1: know what you do singing together?
Speaker 2: Okay, was like that. You definitely did that on ghost Hunters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the inside scoop. So on ghost Hunters we
Speaker 3: flew to like we I'd have flown to like the
Speaker 3: first location, but we drove everywhere else and we would
Speaker 3: play games where we would stop at like if we
Speaker 3: stop for gas or whatever, we would each go in
Speaker 3: and purchase the craziest random like road snacks. You could
Speaker 3: find gummy bears, like just weird stuff, and then we
Speaker 3: would challenge each other by putting them together and making
Speaker 3: you eat it, and then on the scale of one
Speaker 3: to ten, you'd have to tell me, like ten being
Speaker 3: the worst, one being not so bad, how would it tasted? Like,
Speaker 3: you know, and we're trying to gross each other out.
Speaker 3: So we did that a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would literally be like slim gems and sweet
Speaker 2: tarts and cheese whiz on top of it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have old I have old video of that
Speaker 3: that I definitely could pull out and post at some point.
Speaker 1: So is Chip still doing things remotely for this next season?
Speaker 1: He is.
Speaker 2: He did make it out for one but other than that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he is remote, so how.
Speaker 1: Is that different? I haven't gotten to speak with him,
Speaker 1: but I mean, is he does he What I'm curious
Speaker 1: about is like when he's doing these when you guys
Speaker 1: are out there doing the investigations, is he sitting there
Speaker 1: waiting by the phone or don't what is he doing?
Speaker 1: Is he all of a sudden getting all these messages
Speaker 1: in his mind and then you guys call, Like how
Speaker 1: does it usually go from?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do like a walk through with him, so
Speaker 2: he we use him once maybe more like it depends
Speaker 2: on the case, like sometimes we need to call him back,
Speaker 2: but we usually have a time scheduled for him and
Speaker 2: then we know what, like Adam and I come up
Speaker 2: with a plan as far as how we're going to
Speaker 2: use him. But the thing is like Chip does remote
Speaker 2: readings for like that's what he does at home all
Speaker 2: the time, so he's really used to kind of keying
Speaker 2: into a remote spot or remote person. But yeah, he
Speaker 2: we use him usually once during the course of the
Speaker 2: week for a couple hours. And there are times though
Speaker 2: where we're like, hey, are you there? We need to
Speaker 2: FaceTime you right now, But mostly you know, we try
Speaker 2: to play stump the Chip. Sometimes it never works.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean sometimes he does. Sometimes he does
Speaker 3: text us out of the blue and we keep it
Speaker 3: in mind, you know, depending on like what he's dealing with.
Speaker 3: But I mean I personally, and maybe Amy I can
Speaker 3: speak for Amy as well. I personally prefer him into
Speaker 3: space because you never know what he's going to say.
Speaker 3: And when he's into space, you know he's surrounded by something.
Speaker 3: You know, he picks up on everything and then maybe
Speaker 3: something hiding in the corner that we can't show him
Speaker 3: on the phone. But he's he's pretty spot on.
Speaker 1: He blows my mind. I imagine that has to be
Speaker 1: so fun to first of all, to be him and
Speaker 1: just be able to just you know, baffle people constantly.
Speaker 1: I mean, does can you tell me a story of
Speaker 1: a time when you've just been like what, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: So the oh obviously is amazing, like he had he
Speaker 2: picks up on great things during the show, but like
Speaker 2: what really freaks me out is like when he'll be like,
Speaker 2: I'm getting to read on you do you want me
Speaker 2: to tell you? And I'll be like, so, I remember,
Speaker 2: so the craziest thing that ever happened was, you know,
Speaker 2: years ago, I was pregnant but I had not told
Speaker 2: anyone yet. Like I was literally like just pregnant. Like
Speaker 2: it was very early to say a word. I had
Speaker 2: not told a soul. And I get a call from
Speaker 2: Chip and Chip's a text He's usually a texter, not
Speaker 2: a caller. He calls me out of the blue and
Speaker 2: he's like, what's going on? And I'm like nothing, and
Speaker 2: he's like, and this is, you know, like January or
Speaker 2: the middle of winter. He's like, why am I getting
Speaker 2: a distinct mommy vibe from you? And I'm like, what
Speaker 2: are you talking about? And he's like, are you pregnant?
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I am not pregnant Chip, And
Speaker 2: then I was like, well, maybe I am, but you
Speaker 2: can't tell anybody, and he said, well, I just need
Speaker 2: you know. There's a little girl who's been dying to
Speaker 2: get into your life. And then I had my daughter. Yeah,
Speaker 2: whoh yeah. It was really crazy, Like literally the old
Speaker 2: people who knew were me and Jimmy. Like that was
Speaker 2: it where I hadn't told anyone. I even told Adam Barry.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's true. She did not tell me yet.
Speaker 3: I had to find out. Well, she wanted to tell me.
Speaker 3: But then I was like I need to catch this
Speaker 3: train to go back to the city. You're like, fine,
Speaker 3: okay go and then I caught the train. And then
Speaker 3: the next week she told me I was I was
Speaker 3: very excited because I was like, you know, I was like, yay,
Speaker 3: my god, it's gonna be so much fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the jip part of it was really crazy.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's he's really good at stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Hey, do you guys want to hear
Speaker 1: some ghost voices?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Okay, it's time for EV or ev pooh please. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this is what I do. Actually, I don't think
Speaker 1: I did this with you last time. Amy. You know,
Speaker 1: Usually what I do is I go to YouTube and
Speaker 1: I find random EVPs, of which there are thousands just
Speaker 1: floating around out there, and I have my guests guess,
Speaker 1: you know, what they hear or whatever, and then I
Speaker 1: give them multiple choice, the correct answer being what the
Speaker 1: investigator said. But I don't know. Every time I have
Speaker 1: on like pros like you guys, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: feel weird doing that. So what I decided to do
Speaker 1: this time is I I found some that I believe
Speaker 1: I have captured myself, And I mean, who knows whatever
Speaker 1: we'll see, So tell me what you think. I've got
Speaker 1: two of them here. This first one. This was I
Speaker 1: don't know if maybe you guys have been to this place,
Speaker 1: the Jerome Grand Hotel. Have you been there? It is
Speaker 1: in Jerome, Arizona.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I haven't been there.
Speaker 1: It's allegedly super haunted. It used to be a hospital,
Speaker 1: now it's a hotel, which what could go wrong?
Speaker 2: What happens a lot?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was in the bathroom and I've played
Speaker 1: this on this show before, but I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think I heard, I think I captured something. I was
Speaker 1: in the bathroom and I started video recording because the
Speaker 1: bathroom looked cool and there was nobody in there. And
Speaker 1: then I heard this voice in the recording. So if
Speaker 1: you and if you don't hear anything, I won't be offended.
Speaker 1: It's fine, all right, here we go. Okay, it's like
Speaker 1: three syllables. I played again.
Speaker 3: Does it say who farted?
Speaker 1: Do you have any guestses? Besides that?
Speaker 2: That could five more times?
Speaker 1: Okay, one more time, more time.
Speaker 2: That one's hard because I don't hear like the whole
Speaker 2: like zombie noise in the room and stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay, it was silent. It was like pretty silent. Well,
Speaker 1: okay here, I'll give you some options. Is it A
Speaker 1: you gotta move it? Is it B? I died real bad?
Speaker 1: Is it C? You guys? Stop that D. I pooped here.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with D because I thought it said
Speaker 2: I am here, So.
Speaker 1: You guys, I yes, ind that's what I believe this
Speaker 1: ghost said. I believe it said I pooped here. I'll
Speaker 1: play it again, Lisa, I swear.
Speaker 3: I hear the poop. Okay, I hear the fart and.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I mean it's a good I mean, if there's ever
Speaker 2: a message, if you want to use your ennery from beyond,
Speaker 2: like that's what you want people to know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I pooped here? Yeah, okay, here's one more.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: This is from a spirit box which I usually don't
Speaker 1: play spirit box ones on here. First of all, they're
Speaker 1: usually horrible to listen to on a podcast.
Speaker 2: But some time we don't play them on the show.
Speaker 2: People always like, why don't you let us hear it?
Speaker 2: We're like, because all it sounds like is.
Speaker 1: Right. Well, you guys do the Astas method these days,
Speaker 1: and that seems to be getting you guys some results.
Speaker 1: I love watching you guys doing that. So this is
Speaker 1: from a good old fashioned spirit box. I was at
Speaker 1: the theater where I do this podcast live, and I've
Speaker 1: done a lot of campy drag theater here in La
Speaker 1: It's called the Cavern Club Theater at Casita del Campo,
Speaker 1: and they say it's haunted, and I have done spirit
Speaker 1: Box there a couple of times, and every time, well,
Speaker 1: here's an example of something I think I heard. Of course,
Speaker 1: you know it's a spirit box. Who knows? But okay,
Speaker 1: here we go, okay really quick. It's really quick, and
Speaker 1: it's just like a all right, let me play it again.
Speaker 3: That's a hard one. Yeah, it's so hard. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think the hardest thing about these
Speaker 3: two is that, you know, we need usually this is
Speaker 3: for future reference. We need like fifteen seconds before and
Speaker 3: after it so we can hear what leads up to it,
Speaker 3: because sometimes that might be the end of a sentence
Speaker 3: that you're not catching that's happened previous, or you know afterwards.
Speaker 3: That was hard, though, That was hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Usually I look at the stuff and I only
Speaker 1: pick when there's just like a.
Speaker 3: Blip like, yeah, h for sure, it's hard.
Speaker 1: I know, it's a hard one. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: I don't think it's as good as I pooped here.
Speaker 1: But okay, here's some options. Is that a impossible? Is
Speaker 1: it b asshole? D? I don't know, or I'm sorry
Speaker 1: that was C. I don't know, or D might as
Speaker 1: well go wait, play it again? Okay, okay, okay, oh
Speaker 1: I heard oh wait.
Speaker 3: Do it again? Okay, wait one more time here?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeahshole, I definitely hear asshole.
Speaker 3: It could be possible at the end, but because I
Speaker 3: don't hear the m I'm gonna go with asshole too.
Speaker 1: Yeah I heard asshole. Okay. Now, sorry that both of
Speaker 1: these are butt related, but.
Speaker 2: I Adam loves to.
Speaker 3: Talk about a Yeah. I like to talk poop, poop
Speaker 3: and butt. Fine.
Speaker 2: He knows how much I love it so well.
Speaker 3: Apparently at one point you it was your favorite because
Speaker 3: your daughter said, mom is pooping your favorite?
Speaker 2: Because I asked her all the time, did you poop today?
Speaker 2: I was reading a mom anyways, Yeah, she's like your favorite.
Speaker 2: We digressed as usual.
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask a couple of questions before we
Speaker 1: wrap up here from listeners of the show. Some some
Speaker 1: questions from our Patreon Patreon dot com ssh roz Jess
Speaker 1: Felez the first one. Let's see here, Chloe asks, I've
Speaker 1: always want to know what it's like for Amy to
Speaker 1: be partnered with someone who doesn't believe in the paranormal.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think she's thinking, I'm Amy Allen.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Oh okay, I thought maybe she was
Speaker 1: talking about your personal life. Okay, never mind.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, yeah, that's true, because yeah, he definitely
Speaker 2: does not believe in the paranorm you know, It's honestly,
Speaker 2: it's fine. I it's kind of nice because he's not
Speaker 2: always like hounding me to come do all these bents
Speaker 2: with me and stuff. We like have our own thing, so,
Speaker 2: you know. And it's also sometimes so like sometimes I
Speaker 2: can throw things at him and he'll have a very
Speaker 2: logical explanation where I might have gone, like instant ghosts.
Speaker 2: So it's never been a problem. It's kind of fun,
Speaker 2: to be honest. We kind of make fun of each
Speaker 2: other lightheartedly.
Speaker 1: Adam, does your partner believe in this stuff?
Speaker 3: Yes, very much so. And we we sort of started,
Speaker 3: you know, looking for ghosts together early on in our relationship.
Speaker 3: But he definitely believes and he loves to go on
Speaker 3: the events, and yeah, absolutely, he blames me sometimes for
Speaker 3: bringing He's like, did you bring something home? This is weird?
Speaker 3: You know, or he has you know, we'll get into
Speaker 3: an argument. He'd be like, you're possessed from the last case.
Speaker 3: Get out.
Speaker 1: That is such a funny thing. Like most couples, it's
Speaker 1: not did you bring a ghost home? Or it's like
Speaker 1: it's like, were you cheating on me? Did you bring them?
Speaker 3: What did you do?
Speaker 1: As you do? I know that is so funny. Okay,
Speaker 1: Christina As, has there ever been talked of a crossover
Speaker 1: event of Kindred Spirits and cheap old Houses? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: do you know cheap old houses? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Actually have to say manager as them so way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that would be amazing and I bet maybe we
Speaker 2: could make it happen at some point. But I mean
Speaker 2: I follow them and I'm always like I look at
Speaker 2: those photos and I'm like, I would snatch that up
Speaker 2: in a heartbeat, and I guarantee that house is on it.
Speaker 2: You can just kind of tell you can get a
Speaker 2: vibe from some of the photos.
Speaker 1: I love that Instagram account. Okay, here's the fun one.
Speaker 1: And Sarah Beth wants to know if you could be
Speaker 1: a spooky fictional character. Who would it be?
Speaker 3: And why spooky fictional? Oh my god, that's so hard.
Speaker 3: I've never been asked that question. I mean, I probably
Speaker 3: right now, I'm gonna say Baba Duke because he's a
Speaker 3: gay icon, you know, So he's a gay icon, and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be Dumna Baba Shook the whole time.
Speaker 2: I'm spooky. Can I be Shelley Duvall in The Shining
Speaker 2: so I can do everything different?
Speaker 1: Like, yes, I can the narrative.
Speaker 2: Because she makes so many bad decisions in that movie.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that is not what I wouldn't put up with.
Speaker 2: That way, I could just like get rid of Jack
Speaker 2: Nicholson and live in a cool old haunted mansion with
Speaker 2: my kid all winter Earth, and I'd be like, finally
Speaker 2: it would be.
Speaker 1: It would be a whole different story if it was you,
Speaker 1: if it was you in the Haunted Hotel. Okay, here's
Speaker 1: one more. This one's from our Facebook group. Elena asks,
Speaker 1: I'm curious about what the most challenging location was for
Speaker 1: you guys to find the history? Are there places that
Speaker 1: have just had nothing for them for you guys to
Speaker 1: go on so you can't figure out who the spirit was,
Speaker 1: because you guys seem to nail it all the time.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a lot of work that goes into that.
Speaker 2: What happens is, you know, we bring out a ton
Speaker 2: of history and then we just keep mentioning things to
Speaker 2: see what causes activity. So we don't show you that
Speaker 2: whole process, but it's like you know, but I think
Speaker 2: probably the more challenging places to research are the bigger
Speaker 2: ones that have a lot more history, like Waverley Hills
Speaker 2: for example, because there are hundreds, if not thousands of
Speaker 2: deaths that took place there and you're trying to figure
Speaker 2: out who is the spirit in front of you, you know,
Speaker 2: and so those are probably the most challenging.
Speaker 3: We also hit roadblocks sometimes where you know, we can't
Speaker 3: get into the historical society, or people won't you know,
Speaker 3: won't give us information because they don't believe in what
Speaker 3: we do, or you know, location the deeds for the
Speaker 3: location stop because you know, they were attached to another property,
Speaker 3: which we don't know what it is because they don't
Speaker 3: go back from it. There's a lot of things that
Speaker 3: happened like that that you know that people just don't
Speaker 3: they just don't know about because it's sometimes it's very
Speaker 3: hard to get all the info.
Speaker 1: Well, you guys, the new season is coming out the eighteenth.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, that's right.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I was looking at some of the
Speaker 1: episodes that you guys have coming up. I mean the
Speaker 1: first one, you're at a Masonic lodge, which I know
Speaker 1: like a little bit about the Masons, but it seems
Speaker 1: like a lot of those Masonic lodges are haunted. What's
Speaker 1: going on with that?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's just decades and generations of
Speaker 2: rituals taking place within them. And you know, honestly, you
Speaker 2: know Freemasons, they really invest their time and spirituality to
Speaker 2: that belief system, and so I think that it just
Speaker 2: kind of energizes a place like that. And so this
Speaker 2: is kind of the perfect story because upstairs you have,
Speaker 2: you know, the Freemasons, but then downstairs was an undertaker's
Speaker 2: office for decades, so there's a lot going on there.
Speaker 2: And then there's now this antique store with all these
Speaker 2: crazy antiques brought from all over the place. So the
Speaker 2: energy there is very very.
Speaker 1: Odd when you talk about like an antique store being haunted.
Speaker 1: So do you guys find or do you believe that
Speaker 1: objects you know are holding in this energy. Can it
Speaker 1: be from can it be the actual spirit of a
Speaker 1: human or is it more so typically just like an energy.
Speaker 3: I think I personally believe it can be both. I think,
Speaker 3: you know, objects hold energy, you know sometimes, I mean
Speaker 3: we collect weird things. Andy collects weird dolls, and those
Speaker 3: dolls are given off some kind of energy for her
Speaker 3: to pick it up, you know, and for her to
Speaker 3: take that doll home. So I do think objects can
Speaker 3: hold energy from the past. I think last season we
Speaker 3: did a case in New Hampshire where the phonograph and that,
Speaker 3: you know, held energy of what seemed to be the
Speaker 3: family that was associated with the owners, and you know,
Speaker 3: there was a lot of pictures in it. It was
Speaker 3: sort of infused with the family's energy, which I think
Speaker 3: was interesting. So I think it's both. But in this
Speaker 3: instance there was actually you know, something they are trying
Speaker 3: to get our attention, almost like a cold case. It's bizarre.
Speaker 3: It's the most bizarre episode and premiere I think we've
Speaker 3: ever had, and we can't wait for people to see it.
Speaker 2: There's another case too that involves a shoe of all
Speaker 2: things that will really make you question what kind of
Speaker 2: energy can be in an object like it. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: keep telling people, I think that's the episode after the premiere.
Speaker 2: I think this is on Christmas. So I think that
Speaker 2: episode for me is in like my three cases we've done,
Speaker 2: and I think viewers are going to feel the same,
Speaker 2: like the outcome, the energy, like what we discovered is
Speaker 2: just wild. So Christmas day, you know, Merry Christmas.
Speaker 1: Up to a little bit of us haunted shoe. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I can't wait to see what that's all about. Well,
Speaker 1: for people that haven't watched the show yet and they
Speaker 1: want to binge before they, you know, watch the brand
Speaker 1: new season, where do you suggest people start? They wanted
Speaker 1: to get a couple episodes in before then to get
Speaker 1: to get kind of you know, what's what's the quintessential
Speaker 1: Kindred Spirit episode in your opinion?
Speaker 3: Oh, ghost Train, Yeah, gost train. Actually, if everyone's following it,
Speaker 3: you know, the travel channel social media handles, we're doing
Speaker 3: the twelve days of streaming and so we're actually counting
Speaker 3: down our top twelve cases from all five seasons to
Speaker 3: give people something to stream each day before the premiere.
Speaker 3: And it's a little there's a picture in like a
Speaker 3: little blurb why we think The episode is one of
Speaker 3: our top twelve, but Ghost Train is probably our number
Speaker 3: one talk about case ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the scaredest you guys have ever been?
Speaker 2: Ghost Ghost Train?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I couldn't figure out it. I thought I might be
Speaker 2: getting hit by a train at any moment. You know,
Speaker 2: it was just like it was this crossover, is a
Speaker 2: ghost doing this? Or is there a train coming? So
Speaker 2: we'll leave that cliffhanger. I made it, it turns out,
Speaker 2: but it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that in Waverley Waverley Hills was
Speaker 3: pretty terrified. I mean there are moments where we're a
Speaker 3: little freaked out. Let's just be honest. I mean, you
Speaker 3: cannot not get scared. People like, oh, they're professionals, they
Speaker 3: shouldn't be acting this way. I was like, you try it.
Speaker 3: You sometimes we get really excited.
Speaker 1: Did you get pretty scared of this upcoming season?
Speaker 3: There are a lot of moments that are unnerving. I
Speaker 3: mean there's a there's a back alley moment, and not
Speaker 3: that kind of back a moment. There is a there
Speaker 3: is a back alley moment's back alli where you know,
Speaker 3: I put myself in a precarious situation. Again, not that
Speaker 3: kind of Alley moment. But we uh, we do that
Speaker 3: to ourselves often and I think we're crazy, but it
Speaker 3: gets us.
Speaker 2: I think chavoy Gon Asylum too, there were some pretty
Speaker 2: pretty scary spots in that place too. It's been a
Speaker 2: while since we've done an all the asylum, so it's
Speaker 2: nice to get back to our roots.
Speaker 1: Yeahs, well, tell everybody where to find you and all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I know you have a lot
Speaker 1: going on. You have your magazine too, Yeah.
Speaker 3: The magazine's being reissued. Actually, the first issue is being
Speaker 3: reissued for December. It'll be out until March seventh, and
Speaker 3: you can find that anywhere magazines are sold or on Amazon,
Speaker 3: and you can get all our past issues on Amazon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think we have more of those coming
Speaker 2: out for twenty twenty two, which is crazy, but people
Speaker 2: can find I have my podcast Haunted Road premieres season
Speaker 2: two January fifth, and then Strange Escapes if they want
Speaker 2: to go on some adventures with us, and you know,
Speaker 2: if they're not scared after hearing us, they can come
Speaker 2: hang out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, they should. Everyone should follow us on social
Speaker 3: media to Amy BRUNEI across all the platforms, and I'm
Speaker 3: Adam Berry or Adam J. Berry or the Adam Berry.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of Adam Berry's out there,
Speaker 3: so just google We're there.
Speaker 1: And then this upcoming season people can figure out what that.
Speaker 1: What we know so far is that there's a haunted shoe,
Speaker 1: there is some Freemasons, and there's a back alley, and
Speaker 1: we're going to figure out what all that is. De eighteenth. Well,
Speaker 1: you guys, thank you so much. It's so nice talking
Speaker 1: with you, and it's so nice meeting you Adam. We'll
Speaker 1: have to check you're too nice.
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