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Speaker 1: It is Friday, September seventeenth, twenty twenty one, Season seventeen,
Speaker 1: Episode number twenty three. Welcome to latest edition of The
Speaker 1: Break Life in the SWBC Mortgage Studios. At the start, Nick,
Speaker 1: give me a twenty three. Kevin Mathis, Ah, that's a
Speaker 1: good one. Actually, that's a really good one. I almost
Speaker 1: went with Dwayne Goodridge, but I just started going, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go Kevin messes on that. What's a good twenty
Speaker 1: three for you? You have a good choice, Like Darian
Speaker 1: Thompson has worn twenty three the whole freaking time I've
Speaker 1: covered this team. I know that's an exaggeration, but barely. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't know Tyler Patman were twenty three. I think
Speaker 1: he was twenty six. Yeah, that's twenty. I thought maybe
Speaker 1: he's one of those that had a couple. It's not
Speaker 1: a number with an illustrious history. I forgot that he
Speaker 1: hasn't He wasn't here at that time. So when I said,
Speaker 1: do you have a good choice for twenty three, he
Speaker 1: didn't really get the shard choice was twenty three? That
Speaker 1: was years before my years. It was too two years
Speaker 1: before your time. When was the last year he played here?
Speaker 1: I don't remember. He was in the O eight draft,
Speaker 1: so yeah, probably, But like whenever he got the autograph
Speaker 1: from Michael Vick, I mean I remember that. I remember that.
Speaker 1: Remember watching as a football fan. I was like, it's
Speaker 1: kind of weird. I liked he was ahead of his
Speaker 1: time because now, man, everybody's getting autographs and trade and
Speaker 1: jerseys and all kinds of stuff after the game. It's
Speaker 1: a trade show. Yeah, following the guy into the locker
Speaker 1: room to do it is kind of weird, though maybe
Speaker 1: really happens like out on the field whatever usually but whatever.
Speaker 1: Robert Williams, by the way, is my favorite. Twenty three.
Speaker 1: Oh Robert Williams. Producer Chris Beam says, Robert Williams, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he played like eighty seven to ninety two, ninety three.
Speaker 1: Thank he's coaching somewhere in Donald's really good. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: all right, let's jump into it. We got a lot
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into today. Today we're gonna do. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do this as kind of our typical format on
Speaker 1: a Friday. I'm gonna throw out some storylines to you guys,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna try to hit different storylines around this team.
Speaker 1: Some have to do with the offense, some have to
Speaker 1: do with the defense, I have to do with special teams.
Speaker 1: And get your opinions on what you think is going
Speaker 1: to happen, what you think the current state is, just
Speaker 1: your general overall thoughts on these different storylines as we
Speaker 1: head into this game. But before we get to that,
Speaker 1: I want to catch up on a couple of injuries
Speaker 1: for the Charges. We haven't talked a lot about their team. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are dealing with a lot of stuff when
Speaker 1: it comes to players that are not going to be
Speaker 1: available them to them this week end. But the Chargers,
Speaker 1: I think they have two guys that are very, very
Speaker 1: interesting that are on their injury report that have now
Speaker 1: practice all week. Let's start first with tackle Brian Bulaga.
Speaker 1: He has a growing back issue, has not practiced all week.
Speaker 1: How does that affect the Cowboys as they prepared to
Speaker 1: take all the Chargers? Well, I mean it would. You know,
Speaker 1: they're looking at it like, well, you know, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have lost some defensive ends too, you know, definitely d
Speaker 1: Law probably Randy Gregory. So you know it's gonna be
Speaker 1: it's gonna look like a preseason game. Really, I mean,
Speaker 1: it'll look like a second preseason game. They're backup, going
Speaker 1: up against Dorn's armstrong or bash them. So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: got it's a tough break that because I mean we're
Speaker 1: you know, we're sitting here, Joey Bose is going against
Speaker 1: Terrence Steele and that's the predominant storyline in terms of matchups.
Speaker 1: And the guy that can't play for the Chargers plays
Speaker 1: a position where DeMarcus Lawrence isn't going to be there
Speaker 1: because DeMarcus All doesn't move. He very rarely moves from
Speaker 1: left end, so that would have been his guy. So
Speaker 1: that's a bad break that you don't get to take
Speaker 1: advantage of a possible absence. See I look at it
Speaker 1: the other way. I look at it like as the
Speaker 1: equalizer because it starts with the Cowboys. So I look
Speaker 1: at it like, oh my God, like you know they're
Speaker 1: gonna get any pass rush. It's like, well, yeah, probably
Speaker 1: because I mean if you if you look at um
Speaker 1: Dorn's Armstrong and the way he's played and the way
Speaker 1: he played in the preseason, the stuff he did in
Speaker 1: that Arizona game, you're you're impressed by it. But then
Speaker 1: you kind of be like, well, you know they're not
Speaker 1: really playing it against their starters, but if that's the way,
Speaker 1: you know, he he looked great in training camp too,
Speaker 1: going up sometimes against Tyrn and Lyle, sometimes against the backups.
Speaker 1: So I would feel better about it, you know. From
Speaker 1: that I mean, maybe I'm just no one's ever said
Speaker 1: glass half full for me. But I get the point
Speaker 1: that you're trying to make. I got it from that angle.
Speaker 1: I get the point you're making. But having to Marcus Lawrence,
Speaker 1: like having a guy of his caliber going against the
Speaker 1: backup you have a chance to wreck their game plan.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't trust Dorn's Armstrong and Terrell
Speaker 1: Basham to be that good. Yeah. The difference is you
Speaker 1: kind of and I agree with both guys. The difference
Speaker 1: is you look at a Doran's Armstrong and what we've
Speaker 1: seen so far, you would think, Okay, I feel good.
Speaker 1: If somebody told me, hey, Durrance is gonna have a
Speaker 1: sack in this game, I feel good about that. Durrance
Speaker 1: will get a sack or make a play in this
Speaker 1: game in the PA in his pass rush direct their
Speaker 1: game plan. I don't know if I'd go that far
Speaker 1: right where you would think, if it's DeMarcus, maybe you
Speaker 1: could wreck their game plan. You know, this reminds me
Speaker 1: back the last time the Cowboys, I guess it was
Speaker 1: at the last time they played at the Chargers in
Speaker 1: a regular season game. It was twenty thirteen, and every
Speaker 1: offensive lineman on their teams was out. It was it
Speaker 1: was it's gonna be a field day, and it was
Speaker 1: I think Rivers through for like four hundred yards and
Speaker 1: they hurries covered Danny Woodhead Woodhead. It Seawan Lee pick
Speaker 1: six Rivers or Danny Woodhead. They took a twenty one
Speaker 1: ten lead into halftime, and they lost like thirty to
Speaker 1: twenty one, and it was it was one of those where,
Speaker 1: like you know, it was such a just a mass
Speaker 1: unit for their offensive line, but they figured it out,
Speaker 1: So you know, it's I remember that game a lot
Speaker 1: when I think about situations where you're like, oh, how
Speaker 1: is this team going to do this? Or you know,
Speaker 1: and a lot of times it's been with Washington. You know,
Speaker 1: the last few years, Washington's offensive lines been a train
Speaker 1: wreck and all that, and you know a lot of
Speaker 1: it was you know who they you know, Trent Williams
Speaker 1: was out and all that. But that kind of teams
Speaker 1: seem to kind of figure it out. Yeah. But the
Speaker 1: one thing I do like about this is I think
Speaker 1: Drance Armstrong is the kind of guy that he probably
Speaker 1: looks at this is Okay, here's my opportunity. This is
Speaker 1: my big opportunity. And the matchup actually favors him in
Speaker 1: this instance. So let's see what he does. I'm interested
Speaker 1: to see what he can do in this kind of situation.
Speaker 1: If he's going to be the guy that's gonna be
Speaker 1: on that side, that I feel like Durrance is more
Speaker 1: likely to be on the right. Basham said yesterday he
Speaker 1: prefers to be on the left. So and he actually
Speaker 1: he talked about Bulaga. He was like, I was looking
Speaker 1: forward to going against him. Apparently he had a great
Speaker 1: game against him last year. I looked it up. He
Speaker 1: was like, I had a lot of fun playing him.
Speaker 1: Last year, I hit the quarterback a lot in that game.
Speaker 1: He was credited with two tackles and one quarterback hit
Speaker 1: in that game. So I mean, I think guys have
Speaker 1: a way of embellishing a little bit, and it might
Speaker 1: feel a little different when you're playing too. You know,
Speaker 1: the stats say one thing, but yeah, you get you
Speaker 1: get a little scar on the quarterback. You might know
Speaker 1: what the quarterback might know. You might not actually might
Speaker 1: not show up on the statue exactly. So it happens,
Speaker 1: it happens, all right. One other guy I thought was interesting,
Speaker 1: Chris Harris or cornerback. Chris Harris Junior has a shoulder injury.
Speaker 1: He is not practiced all week. Once again, when you
Speaker 1: think about the San Diego defense, or from my perspective,
Speaker 1: I look at this defense and I think the passing
Speaker 1: defense is the best thing that they do, and he's
Speaker 1: a part of that. Without him, how much does that
Speaker 1: change their ability to cover this hypoton I feel better
Speaker 1: about it since I'm not the only one that's done it.
Speaker 1: Oh did you say San Diego? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Los
Speaker 1: Angeles charges. I'm so sorry starts Los Angeles charge yea,
Speaker 1: let's go. Um, Honestly, I'm not sure how much he's
Speaker 1: I mean, was he starter Chris Harris, He's listed on
Speaker 1: their depth charts, one of their outside starters. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's yeah, it's it's the same type of deal
Speaker 1: where like the you know, it's like which which news
Speaker 1: did you hear first? You know, and from my perspective,
Speaker 1: it's like, well they lost Gallop, Okay, well let's you know,
Speaker 1: and then it's like, well, if they lose a guy too,
Speaker 1: then it kind of equalizes. I think Cedric Wilson could
Speaker 1: probably go up against their backup or however it's gonna
Speaker 1: shake out, so you know, it's kind of those two
Speaker 1: losses there are kind of kind of playing off of
Speaker 1: each other. So now it's the Chargers can lose one
Speaker 1: of their pass rushers, um preferably Bosa that you know,
Speaker 1: to to not wish injury on anyone. No, just no,
Speaker 1: you can just on the way to stadium, just get lost,
Speaker 1: just gets It's it is fun the way these mirror
Speaker 1: each other. Because Sire Monsieur Adderley's out as well. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean he hasn't been ruled out for the game,
Speaker 1: but he hasn't practiced yet this week. If you don't
Speaker 1: practice Thursday. That's usually not good. Uh So Cowboys are
Speaker 1: having some safety issues as well. Adderley's obviously not He's
Speaker 1: not the star Derwin James is, but but he was
Speaker 1: on the injury report earlier in the week. He did
Speaker 1: practice yesterday. I think Derwin James is a guy that'll
Speaker 1: probably be on the injury report every week. Doesn't mean
Speaker 1: he's gonna doesn't mean it's gonna affect how he you know,
Speaker 1: whether or not he plays. So let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: move into some of the storylines that the Cowboys will face. Actually,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break before we do that.
Speaker 1: We'll come back. We'll talk a little bit about this offensive,
Speaker 1: this offense. We'll start with the offense first and go
Speaker 1: through a couple of storylines for this game that won't
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Speaker 1: the second segment of the Break Life from the s
Speaker 1: WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. We're gonna talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about the storylines of this game. Cowboys were
Speaker 1: just chargers on Sunday afternoon. It'll be a I think
Speaker 1: a three thirty kick time here Central time Zone. Let's
Speaker 1: start the offense Lyle being replaced by Terrence still facing
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa. Is dad good enough to make that that
Speaker 1: doesn't become a big issue for this offense and their
Speaker 1: ability to still be able to move the ball? I
Speaker 1: think yeah, I think so. Yes. It's not just Dak either,
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore as well. Kellen Moore is smart enough to
Speaker 1: design a game plan that will not allow that to happen. Now,
Speaker 1: we talk about this a lot because tackle has been
Speaker 1: a problem a lot. Twenty seventeen against Atlanta as an
Speaker 1: aberration like that is not that should not be and
Speaker 1: I get it. It was painful to watch and it
Speaker 1: is burned into people's brains. But that's not what happens.
Speaker 1: Nick just pointed it out when they played the Chargers,
Speaker 1: like this happens to teams all the time. This is
Speaker 1: a one hundred injury league. To quote Terrell Basham from yesterday,
Speaker 1: It's going to happen to everybody, and ninety five percent
Speaker 1: of the time teams don't let it completely derailed him
Speaker 1: like that. Dak is good, he is mobile, Kellen Morridge smart.
Speaker 1: They'll be I mean, I don't know if they're gonna win,
Speaker 1: but they'll be fine in the sense that they'll be
Speaker 1: able to move the ball and score points. Nick, if
Speaker 1: you take us back to last year when Dak was
Speaker 1: playing and he didn't have both those tackles at some point,
Speaker 1: were the tackles as big of a problem as they
Speaker 1: were later in the year when Dak wasn't there. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: they had their moments that of hurting the offense, and
Speaker 1: they in the Rams game, I believe, you know, Terrence
Speaker 1: Steele played and he played, you know, he played pretty
Speaker 1: well based off our expectations. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the game, the last drive, he gives up a big sack.
Speaker 1: He gave up a sack to Miles Garrett that forced
Speaker 1: the fumble. I think he had a couple of plays
Speaker 1: with the whole offensive line did against Atlanta early on.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I mean, they have their moments. You
Speaker 1: hope that they don't they don't happen at the wrong time,
Speaker 1: and so you know, with with both, So I think
Speaker 1: with any any of those speed rushers that love to
Speaker 1: get up the field, you gotta take advantage of it.
Speaker 1: You got it. It's a chess match on those plays
Speaker 1: that he wants to get up the field, that's where
Speaker 1: you can maybe get some runs inside, trap him, gash
Speaker 1: him in there. So it'll it'll be up to Kellen Moore,
Speaker 1: Dak and all that to really figure out how to
Speaker 1: how to offset that. And you know, I think Terrence
Speaker 1: steals up for the challenge. He's played a lot of football,
Speaker 1: He's an athletic guy, and he's gonna you know, this
Speaker 1: will be this will be an outstanding, you know, opportunity
Speaker 1: for him. The Chargers defense allow one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: four rush yards in Week one and Dallas on the
Speaker 1: flip side never really got their rushing attack established. Does
Speaker 1: Dallas take advantage of the run this week? I don't
Speaker 1: like the phrasing take advantage of just because I do think,
Speaker 1: I mean, the Chargers have the capability to stop it.
Speaker 1: And that's who was talking about this yesterday where we
Speaker 1: talking probably maybe it was Bucky talking about it, and
Speaker 1: he was just like, they're gonna Yeah, it was Bucky,
Speaker 1: You're right, just like they're gonna key on Zeke. That's everything.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, surely one of these days somebody's gonna
Speaker 1: be like, I don't know if I agree with that. Like,
Speaker 1: one of these days, somebody's gonna be like, man, this
Speaker 1: quarterback's capable of putting four hundred on us. Deal with that?
Speaker 1: Are doing that? Like do we think teams? If you
Speaker 1: were a defensive coordinator you were getting ready for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: would your first priority be Zee? Now let's let's also
Speaker 1: be honest that in the NFL, I think every defense
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator step one every week is you got to
Speaker 1: stop the run, because if you can make a team
Speaker 1: one dimensional, that's your better chance. But just thinking about
Speaker 1: where you're king, I think Dak is the more important piece, right,
Speaker 1: I think about there's an interesting precedent here. And I
Speaker 1: know Brandon Staley's not calling the defense. He's not the
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator for the Chargers, but he was the DC
Speaker 1: for that Rams game last year, and they played a
Speaker 1: boatload of too high and dared Dak to take deep shots,
Speaker 1: and like the one time he got it done, they
Speaker 1: called offensive past interference on Michael Gallup. It was a
Speaker 1: dumb call. It was a dumb call, but he averaged
Speaker 1: ian He averaged less than seven yards per tenth in
Speaker 1: that game. So I wouldn't be shocked if that is
Speaker 1: a similar approach here, where you're like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll let you run the ball. We're just not going
Speaker 1: to let you just kill us with big plays. Having
Speaker 1: said that roundabout point, but like they have the personnel
Speaker 1: to stop the run if they want to. Joey Bose
Speaker 1: is great against the run. We talked about Linvall, Joseph.
Speaker 1: I don't know how good Jerry Tillery's been. I'm not
Speaker 1: I don't have a good read on his career, but
Speaker 1: he's a first round pick in there in the middle.
Speaker 1: And then they drafted Kenneth Murray last year to kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, very similar, not comparing him to Micah Parsons,
Speaker 1: but a guy who can clean up and make life
Speaker 1: easier on your defensive line. So I mean, if that's
Speaker 1: what they want to do, they probably can. It's just
Speaker 1: a matter of I tend to doubt that they want to.
Speaker 1: I think they'd rather take big plays from Dac Away. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, stopping the run it's always it's
Speaker 1: always going to be a key for defensive coordinators, and
Speaker 1: I think that they do that. But you know, the
Speaker 1: thing is about the passing yards and the passing attempts
Speaker 1: and all that with Dak. I mean, they were there,
Speaker 1: but I don't think you could you would say that
Speaker 1: they took a ton to shut down the field, So
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it was it was a passing thing.
Speaker 1: I think Dave said it earlier in the week. I
Speaker 1: agree with it. I mean, it was a different way
Speaker 1: to run. It was through the pass. It was still
Speaker 1: you know, outside passes, quick ball control, moving the chains.
Speaker 1: So you know, you look at the stat sheet, it's
Speaker 1: like wow, but it's not like he's throwing it down
Speaker 1: the field fifty eight sixty times. I wrote this in
Speaker 1: my column yesterday. He threw ten balls that didn't go
Speaker 1: past the line of scrimmage, seventy yards of offense through
Speaker 1: balls that traveled four feet or less or you know whatever,
Speaker 1: ten feet or less. So that's an element of it
Speaker 1: for sure. And I yeah, Callen said that on Monday.
Speaker 1: It's like people kind of get hung up on Well,
Speaker 1: Zeke only ran it eleven times. That means you didn't
Speaker 1: care about moving the ball that way. No, that's not true.
Speaker 1: They control the time of possession, so that's a big
Speaker 1: part of that too, you know, but not only want it.
Speaker 1: They controlled it, you know, But as I keep reiterating,
Speaker 1: when you get into down inside, it's not even in
Speaker 1: the red zone. I'm talking about goal to go get
Speaker 1: inside ten, something's got to happen here. You gotta figure
Speaker 1: out the ways to run it. You gotta figure out
Speaker 1: passes that you can complete down there because you want
Speaker 1: to be safe. You know, you don't want to throw
Speaker 1: picks down there, but you also want to figure out
Speaker 1: how to how to you know, get the job done.
Speaker 1: Is if CDs the you know jump ball guy, I
Speaker 1: don't love the play because I don't. I don't really
Speaker 1: think it's a fifty fifty ball. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: seem like it's always fifty percent. It seems like it's
Speaker 1: a less you know, percentage play than that. But they're
Speaker 1: gonna if they can't run it, and they're not going
Speaker 1: to run it, they gotta figure out ways to score
Speaker 1: because they're gonna end up kicking field goals. And we
Speaker 1: saw what happened there. Ye all right, Michael Gallup is
Speaker 1: out in a week where they face a really good secondary.
Speaker 1: Does Dallas continue the same level of explosive explosiveness without him? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I don't know. Maybe I'm weirdly not worried about
Speaker 1: not having Gallop and that's not a knock on him.
Speaker 1: But if you still have CD Lambing and Mary Cooper, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then Cedric Wilson is about as good as you
Speaker 1: could hope for from your fourth receiver. I mean not
Speaker 1: many teams have a fourth and fifth receiver with as
Speaker 1: much experience as these two. So between all those things
Speaker 1: and then the you know, the opportunities that will be
Speaker 1: there for guys like the tight ends because of all
Speaker 1: the attention paid to the receivers. Chris Harris might not
Speaker 1: play in this game. Yeah, I mean plays, plays will
Speaker 1: be there, I think, and plays are gonna. Plays should
Speaker 1: be there with this group as long as everybody's not
Speaker 1: even everybody, as long as Dak's healthy, plays should be
Speaker 1: there against almost everybody. I think this is a really
Speaker 1: big opportunity for him and for Cedric Wilson and for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys to evaluate him moving forward. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a this will he'll be a free agent next year
Speaker 1: and he could be a Swiss Army Knife type of player.
Speaker 1: I think him as a slot receiver might give you
Speaker 1: even more opportunities than what you would get with Gallup.
Speaker 1: Gallup is a better receiver, and he's a better down
Speaker 1: the field threat. But this guy as a third receiver,
Speaker 1: I mean, he can do some dynamic things kind of underneath.
Speaker 1: I think he's a good slot guy. If you want
Speaker 1: to run trick plays. We've seen it with him. We've
Speaker 1: seen him as he's got an arm. He can do
Speaker 1: some things. I think he can be dynamic in a
Speaker 1: different type of way too. So I don't think you're
Speaker 1: losing a lot there. All right, let's go both to
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. First question, they both
Speaker 1: start both starting defensive tackles are presumably out. Does Dallas
Speaker 1: find a way to get pressure and how I mean
Speaker 1: and sorry defensive man. Sorry, um, yeah, yeah, they'll find
Speaker 1: a way. They'll find it one just I mean, to
Speaker 1: find a will they Yeah, go ahead, I think so,
Speaker 1: I mean, just just go back to training camp. Just
Speaker 1: go to training camp. No, not talking about, not talking
Speaker 1: about on the field. Just sit just just put yourself
Speaker 1: back in training camp. At a press conference when Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn was up there, Gump walks in there, you know,
Speaker 1: with his with his camouflage boy's shirt on, you know,
Speaker 1: and he's just cussing here and there. But does it
Speaker 1: in like his own cool way. He's he's he's the dude, man,
Speaker 1: He's the dude. He'll he'll get it, He'll get it right.
Speaker 1: He'll figure it out. That it's not gonna be perfect.
Speaker 1: He'd he'd like to have his weapons and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: but he'll figure out a way. It's just his demeanor,
Speaker 1: his personality. He got it. He got he figured it
Speaker 1: out when the Cowboys were facing in Atlanta. I mean,
Speaker 1: some of those guys that you never heard of, they'll
Speaker 1: get to the quarterback. They'll they'll get there. I don't
Speaker 1: think it'll be I mean, they'll have some issues. They
Speaker 1: might have to blitz a lot more, but he'll he's
Speaker 1: too aggressive not to get to the quarterback. I think.
Speaker 1: I just think it's going to take some outside the
Speaker 1: box thinking, and I do think dan Quinn's capable of that.
Speaker 1: But he everybody blitz is more than Rodman Ramaronelli. But
Speaker 1: dan Quinn's not known as this like crazy exotic blitzer either.
Speaker 1: That hasn't been a hallmark of his defenses. But I
Speaker 1: think that's what it's going to take. Micah Parsons did
Speaker 1: a lot of work with the edge rushers yesterday in
Speaker 1: practice during like team fundamental excuse me, um, you know,
Speaker 1: which we saw during training camp, but during training camp
Speaker 1: and during game planning for a week or different things.
Speaker 1: So if he's gonna rush off the edge more, if
Speaker 1: they're gonna blitz some more, I think that's a good idea.
Speaker 1: Safety blitz is if you can get them. I just
Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing Dorian's Armstrong and Terrell
Speaker 1: Basham are going to they'll win. I mean, you pressure
Speaker 1: the quarterback in every game, but not on a consistent
Speaker 1: enough basis without some help from somebody else. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: the tough thing is you look at that defensive front,
Speaker 1: which we saw again last night, that Washington defensive front,
Speaker 1: and they weren't able to get a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: against against that team. So it's gonna be a tough,
Speaker 1: uphill battle no matter what. That offensive line is good.
Speaker 1: Even if they don't have Brian Balagi, you would expect
Speaker 1: they're still going to be pretty good. So it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a challenge. Herbert Herbert is an athletic guy. He's
Speaker 1: not even sneaky athletic. He's an athlete, and so he
Speaker 1: can six sixth athletes. He can get away from the front.
Speaker 1: I just I'm nervous about them drawing up boots for
Speaker 1: him where you know, it's just a slow rolling play
Speaker 1: where he can get on the move. So even if
Speaker 1: the rusher comes free, he's got you're not gonna catch
Speaker 1: him before he throws the ball, and Alan or Mike Williams,
Speaker 1: whoever it is, just has six seconds to get behind
Speaker 1: its coverage. And just that's that's what I worry about.
Speaker 1: That sounds like a nightmare. All Right, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: our final break. We'll come back. We got another question
Speaker 1: on the defense, and then we'll talk about special teams
Speaker 1: we got. We really have not talked about the kicker
Speaker 1: much this week, so we're gonna spend a little time
Speaker 1: talking about the kicker in the final segment. We'll be
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Speaker 1: finish up. We got one more question on the defense,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about special teams before we end the show.
Speaker 1: On special, I mean a defense Dallas could be without
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson. Who gets those snaps? And who do you
Speaker 1: expect or do you expect it to be a noticeable
Speaker 1: loss if he's not out there? I actually asked, because
Speaker 1: we talked about this yesterday, I asked, or maybe was Wednesday,
Speaker 1: but I talked to I asked Mike McCarthy, you know,
Speaker 1: can Malie cooker or play strong safety or these things
Speaker 1: interchangeable enough that it doesn't matter. And obviously he's not
Speaker 1: gonna tell me the game plan, but he more or
Speaker 1: less was like it has to be when you're in
Speaker 1: this circumstance. And on top of that, we have to
Speaker 1: find ways to play to our player's strength. And that's
Speaker 1: what makes me curious, because I'm not I'm not saying
Speaker 1: like Malie Hooker is afraid to tackle or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but that his game has always has been as like
Speaker 1: a deep coverage guy and Demonte Casey as well. I
Speaker 1: mean we've made a lot of jokes about the Zeke
Speaker 1: play from Week two last year. You don't want him
Speaker 1: coming down into the box to deal with those types
Speaker 1: of plays. So I am curious about how that works
Speaker 1: and how they're going to use those guys. Jron curse
Speaker 1: will be part of it. If Donovan can't go, I
Speaker 1: assume he won't. Um, Well, Casey's hurt too. I mean
Speaker 1: he can't hurt in practice yesterday with a thigh injury,
Speaker 1: and we'll see what we did say limited, right, so
Speaker 1: well limited because he was practicing earlier got hurt. I
Speaker 1: mean the law was limited as well. Yeah, two days
Speaker 1: ago when he hurt his foot. I mean like he
Speaker 1: was limited because because he left practice couldn't finish. So
Speaker 1: you have to And I know they don't really practice today,
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be hard to kind of tell, but
Speaker 1: I mean I've watched because he also I just I'm
Speaker 1: with you. I don't think Donal and Wilson is going
Speaker 1: to play so that means Mailie Cooker jumps in there.
Speaker 1: Jarn Curse will will obviously get a lot of snaps
Speaker 1: and this might be the fan Thompson's out hurt too. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: Israel mcquama will get a jerk out this week. He's
Speaker 1: got to play. Yeah, And I'm thinking, um, because I
Speaker 1: remember looking that they put they got so many lists.
Speaker 1: Now one of them is an is a practice squad
Speaker 1: injury list? No idea that was a thing. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I saw but not only but not only Darren Thompson's
Speaker 1: on it, but Deontay Burton is on it, which you know,
Speaker 1: many people that watched the last preseason game didn't think
Speaker 1: he would still be around. But yeah, he had a
Speaker 1: tough one. But he's a big, physical type corner that
Speaker 1: can maybe help. So I'm thinking, do they have another
Speaker 1: safety they can they can elevate because who are your elevations?
Speaker 1: I mean you got to elevate people. I think Sprinkle
Speaker 1: has to be one. Sprinkle will be one of them.
Speaker 1: But I mean I'm looking at I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: of the practice squad that they have, Like they have
Speaker 1: a guy that you can elevate like a safety. Kiron
Speaker 1: Brown is on the practice squad could elevate Tyler Coyle
Speaker 1: if you're if you think he's ready for it, those
Speaker 1: are the only healthy coil. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is good or bad, but he's He was one
Speaker 1: of the guys, three or four guys that just went
Speaker 1: through all of training camp and you really never talked
Speaker 1: about it ever, like not once, not good play, bad play,
Speaker 1: who gave up that ball? Who picked that off? Nothing?
Speaker 1: And honestly, for the first two or three weeks until
Speaker 1: Hard Knocks came out, Kamara was in that way with me.
Speaker 1: I didn't even I trying to forgot he was even there,
Speaker 1: and so and Dale Hard Knocks did the story and
Speaker 1: I didn't didn't realize he was going to be a
Speaker 1: guy that they liked and he might play this game.
Speaker 1: He might. I mean, he probably has to be active
Speaker 1: between what he does on special teams and the fact
Speaker 1: that you just don't have very many edge rushers if
Speaker 1: something happens. Yeah, the tricky part here is that a
Speaker 1: lot of these injuries now, the way the rules are
Speaker 1: set up with especially with COVID and even this i R,
Speaker 1: is that when you get injuries, they don't They're not
Speaker 1: just like well, he's the inactive guy even when Zach
Speaker 1: was out of Randy is out with COVID, Like, they're
Speaker 1: on a different list. So if you're inactive, like like
Speaker 1: mcquama was inactive, right, I'm trying to think, like who
Speaker 1: who's Who's going to be somebody that's inactive but still
Speaker 1: on the list. I guess, uh, Donovan Wilson. Donovan Wilson
Speaker 1: would be inactive. Yeah, I mean if you're if you're
Speaker 1: on the COVID list, you don't count toward the roster, right.
Speaker 1: DeMarcus has obviously been moved to injured reserve. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's just it's hard to kind of it's like once
Speaker 1: you're inactive, like, it's hard to kind of it's harder.
Speaker 1: It's harder than it's ever been to figure out the inactives.
Speaker 1: But it's probably don't do it anymore. No, it's just
Speaker 1: just not you know, great exercise at this point when
Speaker 1: COVID is not a thing anymore. We can go back maybe,
Speaker 1: but it's just not it's not worth the headache. If
Speaker 1: does that happening, yeah for real, Um, it would obviously
Speaker 1: be bad if Demante Casey can't play, right, but it
Speaker 1: would it would make it easier to figure that out
Speaker 1: because I think you just play Malik occur at Free
Speaker 1: and jay Ron Curse as you're strong, instead of kind
Speaker 1: of having to juggle the three because I think you
Speaker 1: probably have to. It's almost like a timeshare between Hooker
Speaker 1: and Curse right now, because, like I said, I just
Speaker 1: I'm curious how that's gonna play. I would be shocked
Speaker 1: if Hooker and Kasey, assuming he can play, if they
Speaker 1: just play one hundred percent of the snaps together. The
Speaker 1: Curse played some last week too. Yeah, that's what I'm about. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's still gonna come to be in the mixture, but
Speaker 1: it would happen, but it's a larger role now if
Speaker 1: Donovan can't play. That's also factor. Listened to it, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you do have a guy on your roster.
Speaker 1: I knew he that's where you were going. I was
Speaker 1: just waiting for you to bring it. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be this week, Like why not? You
Speaker 1: got everybody else that's banged up. Yan O'Neil keyan O'Neill giddy.
Speaker 1: I know. I don't mean just run him out of
Speaker 1: the tunnel as your safety. I'm talking about creative packages
Speaker 1: on third down that he's playing down your safety plus U.
Speaker 1: I mean Layton in the game with you know, let's
Speaker 1: play let's play the whole game in quote unquote dime
Speaker 1: with Neil as a third safety and Parsons as a linebacker.
Speaker 1: I mean all day, honestly, I'd be playing that personnel grouping. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't never talking about a running back
Speaker 1: that's just gonna, you know, really hurt you as a runner.
Speaker 1: So much so I think they can get it done
Speaker 1: that way. Keep them in a dime or nickel package
Speaker 1: and try to, you know, try to stop the run
Speaker 1: like you can. I love that idea, and I'm upset
Speaker 1: that I didn't think about it before. Good job, all right,
Speaker 1: let's suck real quick about the special teams. Earlier this week,
Speaker 1: John Fossil did have some thoughts on Greg Zerline in
Speaker 1: his game against Tampa Bay. What did he say? According
Speaker 1: to everybody, he's healthy. I wasn't convinced by Zerline himself.
Speaker 1: They were just like, you are you healthy? He was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel. He was like I feel good. I feel
Speaker 1: I think he was like I feel good enough to kick,
Speaker 1: And I was like, not the answer. I'm looking for,
Speaker 1: not the answer. I'm looking forward. You know. I've noticed
Speaker 1: that when I've when I've interviewed him, you know, last
Speaker 1: year and stuff. I mean, he just I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's something about his answers. He's just not giving you
Speaker 1: exactly what you want. But he's he's always been willing
Speaker 1: to do it, you know. And he's just kind of
Speaker 1: with kickers. Anytime you're talking to him, it's something good
Speaker 1: or bad happen, you know what I mean. You don't
Speaker 1: just say, hey, let's talk about your three extra points
Speaker 1: in the thirty one yard field goal you made. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's always either you missed it, why did you miss it?
Speaker 1: You made it? And it's just all about me. There
Speaker 1: are there are people on every beat that want to
Speaker 1: talk to the kicker about like the mechanics of the hold,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, oh my god, I don't care
Speaker 1: because because nothing with a miss, nothing is good for
Speaker 1: them to say, right, they just missed the kick, they
Speaker 1: just missed it, because they're not gonna say, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: the whole you know, he didn't get the hole down
Speaker 1: like I wanted it to. He had it tilted a
Speaker 1: little bit. It was really on him laces are in,
Speaker 1: it was terrible, yea, or the snap was way too high.
Speaker 1: They don't do that. Those guys are kind of a
Speaker 1: you know that they work together, they practice together, always there,
Speaker 1: so they're not going to really do that to each other.
Speaker 1: So talking about a missed kick or whatever, if he
Speaker 1: says he's hurt, and then he'll come back and say, well,
Speaker 1: there's no excuses, So there's really no point never talk
Speaker 1: to him. Even when they make game winning kicks, it's like,
Speaker 1: I just just do the same operation, you know, I
Speaker 1: get down and focus or we're focused on the kick,
Speaker 1: try to block everything out. So let's just not talk
Speaker 1: to kickers anymore. If Zerline hits a walk off, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna be like, you know what, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: write about him. I don't want to. I'm gonna write
Speaker 1: about something else, which is you know, it's so ironic
Speaker 1: that I said all this is that I had a
Speaker 1: mini argument in the press in the press box last week.
Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all even hurt all that because
Speaker 1: we were going down and it was the media was
Speaker 1: trying to figure out who do they wanted for the podium,
Speaker 1: and I was gonna get four or five guys, and
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, and they're driving. This whole thing's happening.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, who's getting Zerline And they're like, I
Speaker 1: don't think we're gonna get them. I'm like, we're not
Speaker 1: gonna get Zerline. He's missed two bad kicks. They're driving.
Speaker 1: He's gonna make a game winning I thought it was
Speaker 1: gonna be game winning field goal. And then we're not
Speaker 1: going to talk to him, Like his whole career just
Speaker 1: went in a circle in one three hours. Ban I'll
Speaker 1: get him, you know, And then of course then here
Speaker 1: I am four days later, like what do we talk
Speaker 1: to uh? Zir Line says he's healthy. He says he
Speaker 1: had a really bad game. Fossil said it was he
Speaker 1: just missed the kicks. It was bad mechanics, whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call it. It wasn't health related. He was
Speaker 1: kicking short of the goal line on purpose, not because
Speaker 1: he couldn't get there on kickoffs, which is ironic because
Speaker 1: their kickoff coverage was bad. You got to remember this
Speaker 1: about about Fossil. It's not the worst thing in the world,
Speaker 1: but he's got his kids, and then he's got like
Speaker 1: underneath him. He's got like you know, Zerline mcquai, you know,
Speaker 1: like his guy Hecker, you know the anger his guys,
Speaker 1: guys right there, he's got a kid, I think kids
Speaker 1: didn't them so that he could he could have another
Speaker 1: kick that that you know, kicks all the way to
Speaker 1: San Diego, Like that one was looking like it was
Speaker 1: gonna go well. But I mean, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: He clearly has his guys, like he remodeled the Special
Speaker 1: Team's room to look like the La Rams in the
Speaker 1: span of one year. But if Zirline has another game
Speaker 1: like that, like they already and and Zirline even said
Speaker 1: he was like, I don't blame him for bringing in
Speaker 1: another kicker. Why wouldn't you after what I did? So
Speaker 1: that if if he has another game like that, that's
Speaker 1: a decision that goes beyond seas coordinator. All right, he'll
Speaker 1: understand that real quick. Before we end the show, give
Speaker 1: me your picks for the week, Dave. You can make
Speaker 1: me go first, I'll go. I mean I had to
Speaker 1: I pick that, yeah, just a second ago. I'm back
Speaker 1: and forth on this one. I really am. Um. I
Speaker 1: did a little research on you know games that you're
Speaker 1: like the start what first two games of the season
Speaker 1: on the road. You know, usually it's one and one.
Speaker 1: It typically is, and it's like you need it so
Speaker 1: bad if you if you lose, and if sometimes when
Speaker 1: you win that first game, you just don't just you
Speaker 1: kind of come back to earth a little bit. So
Speaker 1: all that being said, I do think I don't know
Speaker 1: how it's gonna happen, but I think the Cowboys find
Speaker 1: a way. I'm still reminding myself it's gonna be almost
Speaker 1: a fifty fifty split on so it's not so much
Speaker 1: gonna be a road game. I think the Cowboys will
Speaker 1: find a way, and it'll be because number four. I
Speaker 1: think Dak will will play well, he'll get that offense rolling.
Speaker 1: I think that they figure out ways to get turnovers
Speaker 1: again and they win it. Score it'll be high scoring.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say they win it thirty to twenty six. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't remember the last time I felt so conflicted
Speaker 1: about a game, Like Yeah, I go back and forth,
Speaker 1: and my like, my overall logic is, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: just Dak. If you're gonna win, you just trust Dak
Speaker 1: to drag you over the finish line. And I think
Speaker 1: he's good enough to do that. And I know this
Speaker 1: is not scientific, and I'm sorry for that, but like,
Speaker 1: this should not be a game that everybody that works
Speaker 1: for us picks the Cowboys to win. Like this is
Speaker 1: going to be a tough game toss up. Chargers are favored.
Speaker 1: I know they're gonna be a lot of Cowboys fan
Speaker 1: but they're still opening up their stadium, you get it.
Speaker 1: And I just, you know, with that in the back
Speaker 1: of my head, I'm like, I'll pick the Chargers just because,
Speaker 1: like some somebody should, you know, Like they're not going
Speaker 1: to play the New York Jets or the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 1: Like this is a good team that has a lot
Speaker 1: of advantages in terms of who the Cowboys don't have available. Um,
Speaker 1: I won't be surprised at all if they find if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys find a way to pull it out, but
Speaker 1: I'll take the Chargers thirty five thirty one, And I
Speaker 1: won't be surprised if, you know, the Cowboys have to
Speaker 1: kick a field goal in the red zone because that
Speaker 1: is still not one hundred percent tightened up, and the
Speaker 1: Chargers score touchdown instead, and that's the difference. I just
Speaker 1: laughed because it's like if if like if Vamber was
Speaker 1: here and it was like, I pick him Chargers and
Speaker 1: I said Chargers and he said Charger, I would pick
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and like that's what I'm saying. It's I
Speaker 1: get it's not a scientific way to pick a game,
Speaker 1: but something just doesn't sit right with me when this
Speaker 1: is you know, everything in the world says this is
Speaker 1: a toss up, and we're just all like cowboys, cowboys, Cowboys, cowboys.
Speaker 1: That's that's not a realistic way. I think we all
Speaker 1: agree this is going to be a tough game and
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna come down to a last position, I
Speaker 1: would guess, because I think both these teams are a
Speaker 1: somewhat evenly matched. If you look at them like they're often,
Speaker 1: both can do some pretty remarkable things. So I think
Speaker 1: it's going to be a shootout. I think this is
Speaker 1: going to be a high scoring game. I think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys get to win thirty four thirty one, and and
Speaker 1: I think it'll be it'll Cowboys will go to one
Speaker 1: in one, charge will go to one and one. All right,
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys, Jonas. We'll be back next week. We'll
Speaker 1: let you know what went right and what went wrong
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