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Speaker 2: the La Studios. Jmart what's going on, man? How you

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Speaker 2: doing doing all right? My daughter has been sick pretty

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Speaker 2: much all week.

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Speaker 3: She's finally getting over it, but it's uh the sickest

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Speaker 3: she has been in her two years on Earth. She

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Speaker 3: had a one oh three fever for a couple of

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Speaker 3: days and so you know, it's been a bit of

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Speaker 3: a different week, uh than maybe we expect it going

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Speaker 3: into it. But hey, man, trials and travail's of a parent.

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Speaker 3: But she's come out of it, so we're all good.

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Speaker 2: Well, is the only make it stronger?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 2: Only makers stronger? Yeah, I will say this is that

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Speaker 2: from a sports perspective, this is the first time I

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Speaker 2: say it every single week to start this show, Jason,

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Speaker 2: it feels like there's so much to talk about, and

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Speaker 2: I will say this is the first week that it

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Speaker 2: does feel like things are a little bit lighter. So

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Speaker 2: if you're in a car, if you're traveling with family,

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Speaker 2: I hope if you are a sports fan, you're taking

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Speaker 2: these next few weeks to get away, because it is

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Speaker 2: a little bit slow right now, Jason. But I'll also

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Speaker 2: say this is that, as wild as it sounds, it's

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Speaker 2: only mid mid July, and it feels like we still

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Speaker 2: got a whole bunch of time till football. Well not really,

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Speaker 2: Jets report to training camp this week. We got SEC

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Speaker 2: Media Days, which is really the unofficial launch of college football.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of which, by the way, Ryan Fowler from Tide

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Speaker 2: one hundred point nine in Tuscaloosa will join us to

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Speaker 2: talk some college football about an hour from now, Jason.

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Speaker 2: But I do want to start with what I just mentioned.

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Speaker 2: Jets will be the first team to report to training

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Speaker 2: camp in just a couple of days, and it's in

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Speaker 2: partant because they are part of the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: game a couple weeks from now, and so football is

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Speaker 2: basically here, Jason, and in a sign of how close

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Speaker 2: we are, we did get the official announcement that we

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Speaker 2: have been expecting for quite a little bit of time

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Speaker 2: now as it pertains to hard Knocks, So hard knocks.

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Speaker 2: We all know about hard Knocks. We've watched it, our

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Speaker 2: parents have watched, our grandparents have watched. It's been around forever.

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Speaker 2: But obviously as time has gone on, you know, it

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Speaker 2: gets harder and harder to convince teams to stick a

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Speaker 2: bunch of cameras in their facility for weeks on end

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Speaker 2: as you get ready for the start of the season.

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Speaker 2: It's essentially been forced upon teams over the last couple

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Speaker 2: of years. Last year I thought it was actually really

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Speaker 2: good with the Detroit Lions. But I bring it up

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Speaker 2: because this week it does become official. The New York

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Speaker 2: Jets will be your hard knocks team.

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Speaker 3: Jason.

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Speaker 2: In a minute, I want to talk about if we

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Speaker 2: even need hard knocks, but I will say this, if

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Speaker 2: we are gonna get it, and we are gonna get

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Speaker 2: in the preseason, the Jets to me are awesome. They're

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Speaker 2: fascinating team, and obviously it's for all the reasons that

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Speaker 2: everybody would think. Think I'm not breaking any news by

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Speaker 2: saying Aaron Rodgers new team kind of a coaching staff

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Speaker 2: perspective of historically incompetent is maybe the right way to

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Speaker 2: put it. But I'll say this. You know, there's a debate,

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Speaker 2: which we'll get into in a minute, of whether we

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Speaker 2: even need hard knocks in twenty twenty three, But of

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Speaker 2: all the teams that could have been picked, Jets are

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Speaker 2: right up at the top as far as one that

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Speaker 2: I actually want to see what their locker room and

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Speaker 2: what their training camp is like in the coming weeks.

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Speaker 2: The coming weeks with Aaron.

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Speaker 3: Rodgers, Yeah, I agree with that. I mean, yeah, we'll

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Speaker 3: talk about whether or not there is a need for

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Speaker 3: hard knocks right now, But the Jets, there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of compelling storylines, and that's what you're looking for here.

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Speaker 3: If you're the NFL and you want to deliver a

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Speaker 3: You mentioned Aaron Rodgers, Zach Wilson might actually be more

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Speaker 3: else that's going on surrounding that franchise. I will say

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Speaker 3: that one of The best hard knocks I ever saw

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Speaker 3: That was a great hard knocks. That was one of

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Speaker 3: the last ones that I truly remember. I think that

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Speaker 3: hard knocks. I don't think it's gonna happen with the

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Speaker 3: Jets because I just think there's too many polarizing factors

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Speaker 3: surrounding it. But in terms of like creating tabloidish content

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Speaker 3: you couldn't do much better than this because there are

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Speaker 3: just so many figures and so many things that go

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about just in general, because I certainly

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Speaker 2: think they're going to be newsworthy. You know, Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 2: whether a lot of times it is intentional, but even

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Speaker 2: sometimes unintentionally, everything he says turns into a headline. Let's

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Speaker 2: talk about the the the Hard Knocks concept in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three, and I think it's it's an interesting conversation

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Speaker 2: But why it's kind of interesting to me, Jason is

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Speaker 2: for the following reason is because it comes in the

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Speaker 2: same week that we get The QB Show on Netflix dropping.

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Speaker 2: And I will readily admit I haven't yet to watch it,

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Speaker 2: so no spoilers from you if you've got it a

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Speaker 2: chance to die, but no, I haven't either.

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Speaker 3: But I've been told it's excellent.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I've been told it's excellent. I was actually talking

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Speaker 2: to Martin Weiss and VJ before, who obviously hosts before

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Speaker 2: do the same. But the why I bring up that

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Speaker 2: important to know basically every team now collegeen pro creates

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Speaker 2: know whatever. I guess what I'm trying to say is

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Speaker 2: say this, it's one that I have no personal, super

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Speaker 2: certain point in the next year or two people deem that, hey,

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Speaker 2: you know what, we probably don't need to keep doing

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Speaker 2: already out there, that's fine. Do you have a strong

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Speaker 2: do we still need to do Hard Knocks? I guess

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Speaker 2: I don't have a super strong opinion on it. But

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Speaker 3: No, we don't need to, but I mean, content is content,

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Speaker 3: and there's nothing wrong with continuing it. It just doesn't

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Speaker 3: you laid out the case exactly right. There's no novel

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Speaker 3: there's no novelty in it anymore because it's everywhere. I mean,

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Speaker 3: anything like it before. The access is unparalleled. I can't

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Speaker 3: believe we're seeing behind the scenes and all this stuff.

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Speaker 3: Now it's the most passe thing in the world. You

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Speaker 3: We've done this before Hard Knocks. The thing that made

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Speaker 3: And now not only have we seen, you know, twenty

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Speaker 3: not something that I've gone out of my way to

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Speaker 3: It's just there's nothing appointment viewing about Hard Knocks anymore.

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Speaker 3: to your point, it's just everywhere in every sport, So

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's It's interesting you say that, because

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Speaker 2: have to. And that's kind of how I feel about

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Speaker 2: Hard Knocks right now. Is like I vividly remember last

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Speaker 2: year there was a lot of Dan Campbell buzz. There

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Speaker 2: all the storylines that they followed. And it wasn't until

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Speaker 2: it's an interesting concept. The one thing I will say

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Speaker 2: should have control of the huddle by year four. You

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Speaker 2: should have the trust of the guys in the locker

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Speaker 2: room by year four. So it's not to say that

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Speaker 2: we should dismissed the comment, and by the way, it's

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Speaker 2: not It could just be player speaks saying whatever he

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Speaker 2: thinks he needs to say to make his quarterback look good.

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Speaker 2: But even if it's true, like there is an element

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Speaker 2: of all right, it's time to show me. Because we

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Speaker 2: can criticize Aaron Rodgers for a lot and I know

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Speaker 2: he wasn't great last year, but that's a Hall of

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Speaker 2: famer that won you a lot of games over the

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Speaker 2: course of his time in Green Bay. And he can

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Speaker 2: like him, and he could dislike him, and he did

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Speaker 2: he have too much control? And was he tough to

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Speaker 2: be a teammate with? Whatever? But at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day Aaron Rodgers produced on Sundays, and that's all

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Speaker 2: Jordan Love is going to be ultimately judged by.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Look A saying that I appreciate that I've come

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Speaker 3: to hear this year is hype makes you stupid. And

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Speaker 3: I have a healthy skepticism toward Jordan Love in that

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Speaker 3: I just want to see him do it. It's not

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Speaker 3: that I don't believe he's capable. It's that I'm looking

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Speaker 3: at the entire body of work since he was drafted,

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Speaker 3: the things that were said when he had no chance

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Speaker 3: of becoming the starting quarterback because Aaron Rodgers was still

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Speaker 3: there and what was kind of leaking out from the

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Speaker 3: facility at that point in time. There's a lot here.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot that can go wrong, there's also a

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Speaker 3: lot that can go right. I do think that he's

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Speaker 3: going to get the opportunity to be his own guy,

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Speaker 3: to be his own player. I don't think that the

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Speaker 3: comparisons are going to be just completely unfair to him

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Speaker 3: as it relates to Aaron Rodgers. But he'd better be

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Speaker 3: good pretty quickly because eventually it's gonna start crashing down

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Speaker 3: and the brick wall that everybody will run through for

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Speaker 3: him will just be rubble on top of him by

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Speaker 3: the end of it, because he'll be on the other

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Speaker 3: side of that wall. I think, like I said, I

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Speaker 3: just we have not seen anything to indicate he's something phenomenal.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we haven't seen enough to indicate that he's the

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Speaker 3: opposite either. I want to watch him and I want

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Speaker 3: to give him the chance to show us what he

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Speaker 3: actually is. So when I hear positives coming from the

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Speaker 3: packers and then when I hear negatives coming from hot

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Speaker 3: take artists, I just kind of try to sit in

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Speaker 3: the middle and say, all right, I'm gonna give him

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Speaker 3: his chance. I'm gonna give him his opportunity to show

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Speaker 3: me that he belongs at this level right now as

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Speaker 3: the quarterback of an NFL franchise is one of thirty

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Speaker 3: two guys that get that opportunity. I'm glad he's getting

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Speaker 3: the chance, but he's gonna have to produce. And I

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Speaker 3: don't think that I don't think that he's gonna have

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Speaker 3: a very very long hook, you know, Like, I don't

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Speaker 3: think they're gonna be sitting here in two three years

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Speaker 3: waiting for him to develop. If he's been there four years,

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Speaker 3: he's got to come in feeling a little bit more

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Speaker 3: like a general on the field than a rookie would.

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Speaker 2: One quick thing before we get to the Sega. First

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Speaker 2: of all, I will say Jordan Love is set up

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Speaker 2: very nicely to have success early first six weeks of

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Speaker 2: his career at Bears, at Falcons, Saints at home, Lions,

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Speaker 2: who we've discussed a few times. They should be tough

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Speaker 2: at home, at Vegas, at Denver, and obviously Denver remains

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Speaker 2: to be seen if they're improved. But that's.

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Speaker 3: Foreign.

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Speaker 2: You know, you think that four and one is not

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Speaker 2: only in play but probably should I don't know expected,

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Speaker 2: but whatever, Really quick again before we get to disagre

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Speaker 2: one thought. You know, last week we kind of end

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Speaker 2: the show kind of with a half joking commentary on

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Speaker 2: the Kim Kardashi and Tom Brady report, and we joked about,

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Speaker 2: you know, is Tom Brady trying to quote unquote win

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Speaker 2: the breakup after Gizelle the scene with the whatever, the

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Speaker 2: karate instructor, the judo instructor, whatever. Do you get the

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Speaker 2: sense at all that this is aj Dillon and the

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Speaker 2: Packers now trying to win the breakup publicly with Aaron

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Speaker 2: Rodgers Because Aaron Rodgers has been at Rangers games, and

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Speaker 2: he's been at Knicks games, and him at Garrett Wilson.

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Speaker 2: It's Oscarner all hanging out with Jessica al but having

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Speaker 2: a grand old time. Do you get any sense that

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Speaker 2: this is, hey, just you know that old guy that

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Speaker 2: didn't really give us the time of day. We're glad

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Speaker 2: he's gone and we're happy for the new guy. Or

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Speaker 2: do you just think this is totally, you know, completely

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Speaker 2: separate from that.

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Speaker 3: I think it's probably separate. I think that if you

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Speaker 3: want to quote win the breakup unquote, in this scenario,

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Speaker 3: it just comes down to w's like, if they go

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Speaker 3: out there and they have a better season than the

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Speaker 3: Jets do with the Jets and the money that they've

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Speaker 3: spent and what you think they have offensively with guys

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Speaker 3: coming back from injuries, with contracts that they've brought in,

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Speaker 3: and of course with Aaron Rodgers there and Sala and

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Speaker 3: that defense and everything else. If the Packers end up

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Speaker 3: winning the division and they're twelve and five, they win

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Speaker 3: the breakup because at that point in time, they are

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Speaker 3: winning twelve games without Aaron Rodgers and without DeVante Adams.

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Speaker 3: That's gonna be the ultimate tale what aj Dillon says

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Speaker 3: on July the fourteenth has no bearing whatsoever, And I

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Speaker 3: think he knows this has no bearing whatsoever on wins

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Speaker 3: and losses, and it has no bearing whatsoever on who's

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Speaker 3: winning the breakup. Whatever they're doing in the offseason is

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Speaker 3: irrelevant once the season starts.

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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Radio aeron Torris Jason Martin broadcasting

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Speaker 2: live from the tire req dot com studios. Go talk

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Speaker 2: a little more NFL and interesting topic and interesting conversation

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Speaker 2: they came up this week. Before we do that, let's

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Speaker 2: toss it over the news desk, Davis, what's trending?

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Speaker 6: Hello, gentlemen, It's official. The Mets are bad. They're down

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Speaker 6: three to one to the Mets, hosting.

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Speaker 3: The three to one to themselves.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that is That's how bad a season it has been. Actually,

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Speaker 6: you know, aside from that little six game winning streak

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Speaker 6: they had, which seems like a long time ago, there

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Speaker 6: are twenty games under the five hundred barks since that

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Speaker 6: opening month or so. Dodgers three to one in the

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Speaker 6: lead at the Mets.

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Speaker 2: Top of the ninth.

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Speaker 6: This is the Fox TV game for part of the country.

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Speaker 6: Mookie Betts of La is four for four, including his

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Speaker 6: twenty seventh homer of the year. He has just scored

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Speaker 6: from third when the Mets botched an infield pop up

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Speaker 6: that dropped, so three to one is the late lead

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Speaker 6: for LA on the road. Meanwhile, the Atlanta Braves have

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Speaker 6: actually lost a home game for the first time in

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Speaker 6: over a month in Atlanta. This was the other Fox

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Speaker 6: game tonight's. It wound up a White Sox win, holding

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Speaker 6: on six to five San Francisco a three to one

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Speaker 6: winner at Pittsburgh in progress. The Brewers ahead at Cincinnati

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Speaker 6: three nothing in the top of the eighth, and the

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Speaker 6: Reds would just one hit so far. The Cardinal are

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Speaker 6: playing a double header. They completed the first game with

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Speaker 6: a ten inning Washington win at Saint Louis seven to five. Cardinals, though,

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Speaker 6: go to the seventh of the nightcap leading eight to four.

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Speaker 6: Double header sweep for Tampa Bay six to one at

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Speaker 6: Kansas City and the opener for to two for Tampa

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Speaker 6: Bay at Kansas City in the nightcap at a double

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Speaker 6: header at Philadelphia and both games to the Pills beat

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Speaker 6: San Diego twice, six to four and nine to four.

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Speaker 6: In progress, it's the Yankees ahead at Colorado six '

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Speaker 6: three in the top of the ninth. Houston leads the

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Speaker 6: Angels four to three in the top of the sixth.

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Speaker 6: Then the Lake games end of four. In Seattle, Tigers

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Speaker 6: had two nothing over the Mariners, who have yet to

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Speaker 6: have a hit in this game. Meanwhile, Luisa ria Is

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Speaker 6: with four hits. Baltimore though one again, beating Miami six

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Speaker 6: to five. Arias is batting three eighty six for the Marlins,

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Speaker 6: but Baltimore's won its seventh straight game. By the way,

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Speaker 6: if the Dodgers win tonight, that would be six straight wins.

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Speaker 6: Oakland lost at six in a row. Minnesota winner at

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Speaker 6: Oakland ten to seven. Victories today for Toronto, Texas and

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Speaker 6: the Cubs, who beat Boston ten to four. Losing pitcher

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Speaker 6: James Paxton had been five and one this year. Rory

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Speaker 6: McElroy leads the Scottish Open by one stroke going into

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Speaker 6: the final round. The Wimbledon champion as Marquette van Rusova,

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Speaker 6: the first unseated woman to take the title there. The

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Speaker 6: men's finalist tomorrow. WNBA All Star Game was in Las

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Speaker 6: Vegas tonight. It is done Briana Stewart's team, the winner

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Speaker 6: one forty three to one twenty seven, although Stewart herself

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Speaker 6: started one of eight shooting from the floor. Jewel Lloyd

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Speaker 6: from Notre Dame on the winning side thirty one points.

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Speaker 6: Nearly every shot she took tonight was a three pointer.

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Speaker 6: She was ten of twenty one from long distance.

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Speaker 2: Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve Sager, Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday Air Tours. Jason Martin broadcasting

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Speaker 2: live from the tyreck dot com studios. Tell you what

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Speaker 2: want you come back and have an extended conversation because

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Speaker 2: there was an interesting thing that came up this week

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Speaker 2: about a former NFL quarterback and whether he's Hall of

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Speaker 2: Fame worthy. Jason and I vehemently disagree on this, and

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Speaker 2: we're gonna discuss it next. Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio

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Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to

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Speaker 1: listen live.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio. Erratorres Jason Martin broadcasting

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Speaker 2: live from the tire rack dot com studios. And is

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Speaker 2: that time of year, Jason? Not a lot going on

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Speaker 2: in sports? Major League Baseball obviously is going on. We

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Speaker 2: had the All Star Break, fun game on Tuesday night

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00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: at Home Run Derby was awesome. Summer League is going on,

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Speaker 2: but I mean there's really not that much. So what

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Speaker 2: ends up happening when there's not a lot going on

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Speaker 2: in sports? We ultimately get into really dumb debates on

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Speaker 2: social media. So earlier this week, a Twitter account called

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Speaker 2: NFL Rookie Watch basically just tweeted out all of the

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Speaker 2: players who are eligible for or not all, but you know,

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Speaker 2: the notable players who are eligible for the Pro Football

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame in twenty twenty four. So essentially players

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Speaker 2: it'll be decided that get in and all that good stuff.

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Speaker 2: I bring it up to say, NFL Rookie Watch mentions that, Oh,

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Speaker 2: by the way, Andrew Luck, remember him, He is eligible

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Speaker 2: for the Hall of Fame in twenty twenty four, five

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Speaker 2: years remove from retirement. By the way, fun, fun's fun.

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Speaker 2: Uh you know side fact, Jason Martin Andrew Luck actually

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Speaker 2: retired during my honeymoon. And I made it a pro

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be on my phone and I'm not

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Speaker 2: gonna this and I'm not gonna that. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I was blessed to be in Hawaii, in one of

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Speaker 2: the most beautiful places in the world, literally staring at

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Speaker 2: my phone because I could not believe that that this

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Speaker 2: report was true. And I think it was Ian Rapaport,

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Speaker 2: you know those guys who had it first. And is

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Speaker 2: it possible? Could this? Is this a real account? Will

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Speaker 2: Andrew Luck retire what will be five years ago from

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Speaker 2: obviously the summer of twenty twenty four, he is eligible

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Speaker 2: for the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: I was on the air when it happened, really well,

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Speaker 3: maybe it was an hour after it, Yeah, I did.

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Speaker 3: I was doing my Fox show. It was a Saturday

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Speaker 3: night because it was a preseason game against the Bears. Yes,

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Speaker 3: and it happened like an hour before I went on

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Speaker 3: air or something like that. I got blessed with a

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Speaker 3: couple of those that happened. Antonio Brown getting out of

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh happened like right before I went on air for

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Speaker 3: my very first show on Fox Sports Radio, my first

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Speaker 3: solo show, I should say. And then that happened, and

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Speaker 3: it was actually when would that have been?

650
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: That would have been August of twenty nineteen.

651
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Speaker 3: Okay, so you know what else happened that night? This

652
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: is this is really kind of crazy because you mentioned

653
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 3: your honeymoon, my wife's bachelorette was that night. They showed

654
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: up at the studio after having some fun. They showed

655
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: up like half to you know, like four or five

656
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: of them and her show up. They end up in

657
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: the studio the night that Andrew Luck retired, and I'm

658
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,239
Speaker 3: trying to explain to them the sheer importance of what

659
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: had happened here and what was going on. It was, uh,

660
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 3: it was something else. So You're on your honeymoon and

661
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 3: I'm like two months away or a month away from

662
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: getting married at that point in time.

663
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I'll say that timing makes sense because

664
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: I was in Hawaii, and I want to say it

665
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: was like what like ten pm Eastern time, something like that,

666
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: eleven pm Eastern, Yeah, because it was Hawaii is six

667
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: hours back from from the East coast. So yeah, it

668
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: was like two three o'clock in the afternoon. I just remember,

669
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: I vividly remember, and we'll actually get into the Andrew

670
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: Luck debate. But we checked into the hotel. We had

671
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: just gotten off a flight, We were ready to eat,

672
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: and the hotel the hotel bar was not open, and

673
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: so my wife was already a little angry and then

674
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: her husband or you know, just until death do us part?

675
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: All that good stuff. I'm sitting there on my phone

676
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: completely unsympathetic to her hunger pains as I'm trying to

677
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: figure out is this report real? Well, as it turns

678
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: out it was, and he look Nflrockie watch. This brings

679
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: up the point he is eligible for the Hall of Fame.

680
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: They obviously bring up all of the key stats he

681
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: is eligible in twenty twenty four six seasons in the NFL,

682
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy one passing touchdowns, twenty three thousand

683
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: yards passing two hundred seventy five yards per game. Some

684
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: of these stats that they're putting out is not right,

685
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: like one hundred and seventy one passing yards I guess

686
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: third all time for six years in behind Onli Marino

687
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: and Mahomes twenty three thousand yards, fourth all time at

688
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: the at the six year mark. Anyway, long story short,

689
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: it caused a debate. I think most people are on

690
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: the side if he is absolutely not a Hall of Famer.

691
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: Where do you stand, Jason.

692
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not. I think he was on the way

693
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: to a potential Hall of Fame career, but that's not

694
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: the same thing. I can't read into the future and say, well,

695
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 3: if he had played longer, he clearly would have been

696
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 3: a Hall of That's just not how it works. At

697
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 3: The Indie Star back in February, Nat Newell wrote about this.

698
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 3: He was asking, does Andrew Luck have a case for

699
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 3: the Pro Football Hall of Fame? No. Ninetieth all time

700
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: in passing yards at twenty three thousand, six hundred and

701
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 3: seventy one, twenty ninth in passer rating at eighty nine

702
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: and a half between Chad Pennington and Matt Shaub, seventy

703
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 3: second in touchdown passes with one seventy one fifty seventh

704
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: and fourth quarter comebacks with sixteen. He made four Pro Bowls,

705
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: the same number as Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Kurt Warner,

706
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 3: George Blanda, Bart Starr, and Ken Stabler. They're all in

707
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame. But Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Tony Romo,

708
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: Drew Bledsoe also made four Pro Bowls. Good quarterbacks, but

709
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 3: not Hall of famers, I think, and I saw a

710
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: couple people mention this, like there's some impressive stuff. If

711
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 3: you look at yards in his first six seasons, he's got,

712
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: you know, Peyton Manning, Patrick Mahomes and Dan Marino ahead

713
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 3: of him, and touchdowns. He's only got Marino and Mahomes

714
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 3: ahead of him in his first six years and things

715
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 3: like that, Like, there's a lot there. Twenty game winning

716
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 3: drives tied with Peyton and Jake Plumber, only Matt Ryan

717
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 3: had more, So there's a lot there. But that's just

718
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 3: not long enough of a career to even have this discussion.

719
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: I think it's laughable. Honestly, I think he's the one

720
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: that made the decision not to be a Hall of Famer.

721
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 3: But I mean, I mean, he hadn't even done anything

722
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 3: in the playoffs, and certainly he was nowhere close to

723
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 3: a super Bowl. We're gonna see when Philip Rivers and

724
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: or Matt Ryan have the opportunity to get in, whether

725
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: or not that's something that's even viable for most players.

726
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 3: But he just flat out didn't play enough like this, This,

727
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: to me, is is not even something that is worthy

728
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 3: of discussion. Wow, okay, and I really like Andrew low

729
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 3: and you're.

730
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: Gonna have You're gonna need to plug your ears here

731
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: for the next couple of minutes, because I think he

732
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: is a Hall of Famer. And I'll tell you why.

733
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Speaker 2: By the way, I feel like, you know, one of

734
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: those morning debate shows. I won't name the name, but

735
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: it feels like you're very much on one side.

736
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 3: I usually aren't, so I like the fact that for

737
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 3: once we actually are very much on opposite side.

738
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 2: I will say I told the guys in the back,

739
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 2: and I'll just be honest. I'm not gonna stir up

740
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: fake controversy. This is not one where like, if he

741
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: doesn't ever get in, I'm gonna jump on the table

742
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: and yell and scream and whatever. But my argument is

743
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: this is that I do think across sports the threshold

744
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: for Hall of Fame has been lowered, and ironically the

745
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: Pro Football Hall of Fame is maybe the one where

746
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: it really hasn't been. But you know, it bothers me

747
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: that these other sports. You know, I remember in baseball,

748
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: like Craig Bigio was the big one. It was like

749
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: Craig Bigio was never one of the best players in

750
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: the league at any point ever in his career, and

751
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: his stats are just the totality of being in the

752
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: league for as long as he was. You know, Tim

753
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 2: Hardaway in the NBA made the Basketball Hall of Fame

754
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: not that long ago. And so I bring it up

755
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: because I think the threshold has been lowered, and my threshold, honestly,

756
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: in my opinion is were you like to me? I

757
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: don't really care how long you played. And it's worth

758
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: noting there are plenty of guys in the Hall of

759
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: Fame that had very abbreviated careers. Calvin Johnson retired at

760
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: the same age as Andrew Luck. Jim Brown retired right

761
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: around thirty years old. We talked about him a few

762
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 2: months ago and he passed and kind of hisique, unique

763
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: trajectory whatever. I bring it all up to say that

764
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 2: this guy, yes, he retired at a very young age.

765
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: I do think it is largely being held against him

766
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: in this regard. Is that I think if he retired

767
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: because he physically could not play anymore, if he had

768
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: some injury that did not allow him to play, I

769
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,959
Speaker 2: think we would look at him more favorably the fact

770
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: that he decided to retire. My thought process is very simple.

771
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 2: As I said, he is a guy that in his prime,

772
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: in the moment in time, he was one of the

773
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: best players, one of the best quarterbacks in the league

774
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: bar Nune. He is a guy that is one of

775
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: only ten quarterbacks that has had forty plus passing the yards,

776
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 2: passing touchdowns in a season, and so he was statistically

777
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: great in his era, made the playoffs four out of

778
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: basically five years where he was fully healthy, and of

779
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 2: course that one run to the AFC Championship Game. Again,

780
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: if you are just super anti and I know you are, like,

781
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: he doesn't deserve it. He does whatever, I guess it.

782
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: And again I'm not gonna be the guy that's jumping

783
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: on the table demanding that he absolutely has to be in.

784
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: But to me, he was one of the best players

785
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: in his era. I know the career was abbreviated. I

786
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: know he stepped away on his own recognissance. I don't

787
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 2: think it should be held against him anymore that it's

788
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: held against Calvin Johnson or whoever, Jim Brown whatever, I

789
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: think he should be in the Hall of Fame.

790
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 3: We just agreed to disagree on this. I mean, he

791
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: started out his career thirty three and fifteen. Again he

792
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: was on a great pace. He had forty touchdowns in

793
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen. Whatever you want to look at in terms

794
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 3: of you know, the injuries and everything else, and that's

795
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 3: why you know that, that is why you saw the

796
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 3: change in the general manager position and Gregson had to

797
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 3: get out of there. They did a poor job building

798
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: around him. Short in his career, made him hate football,

799
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: you know, all of those things. But in his final

800
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: three years of playing football, he was twenty and eighteen

801
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 3: as a starter. I know that that is a horrible

802
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: thing to look at because he also did some really

803
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: good things those times. But that's half his career. He

804
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 3: played for six years, and I just I don't Here's

805
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 3: the thing. Could the history of the NFL have been

806
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 3: told without Andrew Luck. I think the answer is yes.

807
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: See I think so too. But I think there are

808
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 2: other guys that are going to be in the Hall

809
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: of Fame that you could say the same thing about.

810
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: And like the example that you used a minute ago,

811
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: like a Matt Ryan. And I understand Matt Ryan won

812
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: an MVP. If you look at Matt Ryan's career, though,

813
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 2: like what were the great incredible moments outside of twenty

814
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: seven to three which he was on the wrong side of, and.

815
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 3: So like that wasn't his fault.

816
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I just sit there and say, like I

817
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 2: am not a fan of putting guys in the Hall

818
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: of Fame because they just played a long time in

819
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 2: the totality of their careers. And so listen, you know what,

820
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: we got a full show to kind of break this

821
00:39:59,040 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: all down and discuss.

822
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Speaker 3: Tweet us tweet I want to I want to know

823
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Speaker 3: what people think about this, or call us at eight

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Speaker 2: If Torres is an idiot for saying that he that

828
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Speaker 2: Andrew Lux should be in the Hall of Fame, let

829
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Speaker 2: us know. Also tweet us at Aaron Underscore Tours at

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Speaker 2: jmart Radio coming up more Andrew Luck, a lot of

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839
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Speaker 2: gonna talk a little college football momentarily. SEC Media Day

840
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: starts on Monday. By the way, about twenty minutes from now.

841
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 2: Ryan Fowler from Tide one hundred point nine UH down

842
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: in Tuscaloosa is gonna join us. He's got a lot

843
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Speaker 2: of thoughts on not just Alabama, but all the SEC

844
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 2: and college football in general. College football is coming fast, Jason,

845
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: what are we about. I think it's forty nine days

846
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: from the first Sat, so seven weeks from the first Saturday.

847
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 2: Week one. Anyway, Week zero is obviously only six Saturdays away,

848
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Speaker 2: So it's coming quick, Jason, It's coming quick. But before

849
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 2: we get to college football, before the break, we were

850
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: talking a little bit about kind of the internet debate

851
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: that took over social media this week, and that was

852
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: Andrew Luck. So for people who did not see the

853
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 2: story Andrew Luck, this coming summer will be five year

854
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 2: not this summer, but next summer will be five years

855
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 2: removed from retirement. July August of twenty nineteen is when

856
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: he official announced his retirement and will be eligible for

857
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. And so it's been a debate

858
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: this week. I don't know if you can even call

859
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: it a debate. I haven't seen many people make the

860
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: argument that I have that I believe it's at least

861
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: worth half having a conversation about only played six years,

862
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: but in those six years, five full seasons essentially UH

863
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Speaker 2: four playoff appearances, one AFC Championship game. I get that

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Speaker 2: the window was small. Statistically, in his prime, in his

865
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Speaker 2: era was as good as anybody, and so it's been

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Speaker 2: an interesting conversation. Jason obviously feels the way that I

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Speaker 2: think most people do. And I don't want to speak

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Speaker 2: too much for you, Jason, but the I think most

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Speaker 2: people believe you just didn't play long enough. The totality

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Speaker 2: of the stats aren't good enough. We did open up

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Speaker 2: the phone lines and if anybody else wants to call

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Speaker 2: in one eight seven seven ninety nine on Foxes the

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Speaker 2: number one eight seven seven nine nine sixty six three

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Speaker 2: six ' nine again one eight seven seven nine nine

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Speaker 2: six six three sixty nine. We do have somebody on

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Speaker 2: the phone out in Minnesota. Is it John in Minnesota?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: John in Minnesota. You're on Fox Sports Radio eron Torres,

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Speaker 2: Jayson Mart Go ahead.

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Speaker 7: All right, So just real quick, Andrew Lunch and that

881
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Speaker 7: not be in the Hall of Fame. Oh, keep bringing

882
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Speaker 7: up Calvin Johnson and Calvin Johnson and him have one

883
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 7: big difference. Calvin Johnson's got the record for the most

884
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 7: receiving yards in a single season, So.

885
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: You're talking about one. So because he had one historically

886
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: great season, that automatically puts him in.

887
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Speaker 7: Now I'm saying that he holds the record for the

888
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Speaker 7: most receiving yards. Ever, Andrew Luck doesn't hold the record

889
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Speaker 7: for the most touchdown passes, the most passing yards in

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Speaker 7: the season.

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00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 2: You know you can't, But is it, real quick, John?

892
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 3: Is it?

893
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: If the argument is that the totality of the stats

894
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 2: for Andrew Luck isn't enough, then why would one season

895
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Speaker 2: for Calvin Johnson matter?

896
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Speaker 7: It mattered because being the greatest ever at one point

897
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 7: in time matters. I don't think Andrew Luck was even

898
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Speaker 7: the greatest for any one particular year when he was quarterback.

899
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Speaker 2: Well, he did leave the league in passing touchdown. John,

900
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: thank you for the call. I appreciate it.

901
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Speaker 3: I would agree. I would agree with what John said

902
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 3: at the end of that for sure. Like I don't

903
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 3: think at any there was any single season where you

904
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 3: look at Andrew Look and say that's the best quarterback

905
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Speaker 3: in the NFL. You can say, man, he's got the

906
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Speaker 3: potential to be the best quarterback in the NFL. But

907
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Speaker 3: I don't think you can get there, Like I think

908
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Speaker 3: you can make a better argument for Joe Burrow having

909
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 3: almost been there than you could Andrew Luck at this

910
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Speaker 3: stage in their careers. I just that's that to me,

911
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 3: is the metric that plus again, when you play is

912
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Speaker 3: as short as he did your last three seasons, there's

913
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Speaker 3: not that much to look at and be just blown

914
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Speaker 3: away by. He did finish really strongly in twenty eighteen,

915
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 3: but that was still a ten and six football team.

916
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Speaker 3: Like that's a he's fifty three and thirty three. He

917
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 3: just again he didn't play enough, and there's just nothing

918
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 3: when I again, here's the test. And look, I'm gonna

919
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 3: give Skip Bayle's credit because I agree with this a

920
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: million percent. And I've always heard him say this. He says, look,

921
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Speaker 3: the metric for or his metric for hall of Fame,

922
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Speaker 3: it's the same as mine.

923
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Speaker 1: It is.

924
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 3: When you say hall of fame and you name a player,

925
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 3: do you have to pause? If you have to pause,

926
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Speaker 3: probably not so when I say Andrew Luck hall of Fame,

927
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 3: I immediately get closer to saying no. But I'm gonna

928
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Speaker 3: have to go and crunch a bunch of numbers to

929
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Speaker 3: even come close to making a case. And to me,

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Speaker 3: that is not the hall of fame, that is, as

931
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Speaker 3: many people have used. It's the hall of very good.

932
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Speaker 3: And I do think that he was on pace for

933
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Speaker 3: a Hall of fame.

934
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Speaker 2: Were strang let me jump and let me jump in.

935
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Speaker 2: So if your if your argument is he had stats

936
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Speaker 2: that were on pace for X, y Z, then why

937
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: shouldn't matter how long he played? To me, I don't

938
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Speaker 2: like the idea that somebody like like, let me, let

939
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: me put it this way. And I know it's a

940
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Speaker 2: bad example because I know he won an MVP. I

941
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Speaker 2: don't believe that in his prime Matt Ryan was as

942
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Speaker 2: good as Andrew Luck. But I believe Matt Ryan is

943
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Speaker 2: good going to get into the Hall of Fame simply

944
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Speaker 2: as a byproduct of sticking around for longer. I'll give

945
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Speaker 2: you an example I use from a sport that I

946
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: know very well, college basketball. And I said, for years

947
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Speaker 2: with Jim Behim before he retired, I said, like, you

948
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 2: don't get like, you don't get credit for just sticking around.

949
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Speaker 2: And so for like the last ten years of Jim

950
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Speaker 2: Beheim's career, it's like, well, he has the most wins

951
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Speaker 2: this and he has the most dad and he's a

952
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 2: legend and blah blah. It's like, yeah, but he's kind

953
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: of stunk for the last ten years. So like I'm

954
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Speaker 2: not giving him credit just for sticking around. And so

955
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Speaker 2: if the argument is the totality of the stats aren't

956
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: enough and he was never one of the best players,

957
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Speaker 2: then it's like, why would it matter if he played longer,

958
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Speaker 2: if he wasn't the best player in his era? Like

959
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: does that I don't know if that make sense, but

960
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: does that make Does that make sense?

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Speaker 3: Like kind of? I think the thing for Matt Ryan

962
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 3: is not only wasn't he was he an MVP. He

963
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 3: was also a Super Bowl quarterback. He's not a guy

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Speaker 3: he didn't end up winning it because the whatever they

965
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Speaker 3: did in the second half in the fourth quarter, the

966
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Speaker 3: play calling and what dan Quinn was a part of

967
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 3: was just a disaster area. But you know, you go

968
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,959
Speaker 3: and look at Matt Ryan's stats, it didn't it wasn't

969
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 3: good for him in these last three four years, which

970
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 3: that's not really a giant shock, but is a guy

971
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Speaker 3: who won thirteen games twice in a sixteen game season,

972
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Speaker 3: he won eleven games twice. And yes, he has played

973
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 3: for a very long time, but he played for a

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Speaker 3: franchise that was virtually never good for the most part,

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Speaker 3: especially at the quarterback position. And he has played for

976
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 3: a long long time. You got to play longer than

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00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 3: six years unless you're a five time MVP, Like if

978
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes stopped playing right now, Yeah, he's he's absolutely

979
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: shoe in for the Hall of Fame. He didn't have

980
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 3: to play another down. But he's won multiple Super Bowls,

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00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 3: He's won an MVP. We have acknowledged him as the

982
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 3: best player in the league multiple years. I would say

983
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 3: I think his case is ironclad even if he never

984
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 3: played another down. But and true Luck is all based

985
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 3: on what we thought he was capable of. He's the

986
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 3: one that ended his Hall of Fame candidcy by stopping playing,

987
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: so before he had put together anywhere near a case

988
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 3: where we needed to be talking about this.

989
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 2: Let me jump in on this, and this is something

990
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about. If Andrew Luck had retired because

991
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: of things out of his control, get and God forbid.

992
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: And the reason he did retire is so he didn't

993
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 2: get to this point. But he has too many concussions

994
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 2: he breaks something that doesn't allow him to play. Do

995
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 2: you think he has looked at more sympathetically as a

996
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame figure right now? Maybe, but I still

997
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 2: don't think he's got a case like I don't think

998
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 2: the reasoning matters. It would be more unfortunate you would

999
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: just say, well, it's unfortunate he wasn't able.

1000
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 3: To complete his career because boy, how good he could

1001
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 3: have been. But no, Like again, I just I said it,

1002
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 3: and it wasn't hyperbole when I said this at the

1003
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 3: end of the last hour. And I know we got

1004
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 3: calls and I'm looking forward to hearing what people have

1005
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 3: to say. But when you mentioned this to me earlier

1006
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 3: today as something you wanted to talk about, and I'm

1007
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 3: glad we have because we have definitely been on different

1008
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 3: sides of it, and it's been entertaining and informative to

1009
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 3: hear your argument as well. But I thought it was laughable.

1010
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 3: I was like, who was discussing this? I mean, I'm

1011
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 3: not on social media, so I missed it, and it's

1012
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 3: like it's out there, so I looked at it. It's

1013
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 3: just it's okay. And I saw somebody say this, it's

1014
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 3: okay to acknowledge he probably would have been a Hall

1015
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 3: of Famer and then say he absolutely isn't one. And

1016
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 3: that's kind of where I am. I think maybe he

1017
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 3: could have been. I have no idea what he's going

1018
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 3: to do for the rest of his career. All I

1019
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 3: know is what he did is not Hall of Fame worthy.

1020
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 2: Well, we do have the phone lines are open. I

1021
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: think just about everybody is on your side, Jason. But

1022
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 2: let's get to some other calls. We got John in Philly,

1023
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: John and Philly. You're on Fox Sports Radio with Eron Torres,

1024
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 2: Jason Martin. How you doing, John?

1025
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 7: Pretty well?

1026
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 4: Thanks for hear you.

1027
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: I'm good. You got my back, John, Or.

1028
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 8: What I am going to say that I think that,

1029
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 8: you know, hall of Fame is a body of work.

1030
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 8: There's not enough body, and I think that's all the

1031
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 8: stuff about each individual season is about MVPs. They had

1032
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 8: out different things. So I'm gonna switch sports and I'm

1033
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 8: gonna say, look at how many Cy Young's Nolan Ryan won.

1034
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 8: Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? Absolutely, But

1035
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 8: that's because we're talking about different things. Was a body

1036
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 8: of work and the other one is over a career.

1037
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 8: You know, there's a lot of guys that hang around

1038
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 8: too long, you know, speaking to the point about you know,

1039
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 8: they just had longevity. Well, longevity still does not a

1040
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 8: body of work.

1041
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 2: But I got again, I think that total stats by

1042
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 2: with longevity. Like again, I don't think it's it sounds

1043
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: dumb for me to say this, right because Matt Ryan

1044
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: won an MVP, I don't think Matt Ryan was ever

1045
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 2: one of the two or three best quarterbacks in the NFL,

1046
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: even though he won an MVP. I do think Andrew

1047
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: luck was probably number three ish at a certain point.

1048
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: And to me, like I don't care about dudes that

1049
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 2: are just okay to really good for a long stretch.

1050
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: I want guys that are elite, even if it's only

1051
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 2: a short stretch. And by the way, this is just

1052
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: my preference for what the Hall of Fame is it. John,

1053
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to keep you on the phone while

1054
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 2: I'm talking all this out, and Jason feel free to

1055
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: hop in on this as well. Matter of fact, John,

1056
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 2: thank you for the call. Jason and I kind of

1057
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: continue the conversation from here.

1058
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 3: Let me ask let me say this real quick, as

1059
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 3: you mentioned that number three, Okay, the year that Matt

1060
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 3: Ryan won the MVP, Brady was number two, Derek Carr

1061
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 3: was number three, Ezekiel Elliott was fourth, Aaron Rodgers was fifth,

1062
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 3: and Dak Prescott was six. Now you can look and say, well,

1063
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 3: of course Aaron Rodgers is a better quarterback than Matt Ryan.

1064
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 3: You can start to make those kind of arguments, right.

1065
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 3: So here's the problem. If you're trying to make that

1066
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 3: argument against Matt Ryan, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers,

1067
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 3: the same guys, the same culprits, all played during the

1068
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 3: time that Andrew Luck was playing. If you're gonna make

1069
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 3: that argument and say they were better than Matt Ryan,

1070
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 3: you're going to say they were better than Andrew Luck

1071
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 3: as well. I don't think there's a year in which

1072
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 3: you would take You would take Andrew Luck over Rogers,

1073
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 3: Brady or Breeze, those three guys in particular, But you

1074
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 3: could go further than that if you wanted to. I

1075
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 3: think that's part of this as well.

1076
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 2: You want to take him in a year where he

1077
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 2: led the league in touchdown passes and took his team

1078
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: to the AFC Championship Game, you wouldn't take him and

1079
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 2: he lost to New England and the Championship game. Admittedly,

1080
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: and by the way, I get it, it's only one year.

1081
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 2: I mean, he was elite that year, you know, So

1082
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: I get it. I get it. It's one I'm talking

1083
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 2: about one great season, a couple very good seasons, and

1084
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 2: that's a very short, short, short career. But again, I

1085
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 2: just I don't know, like I just I much like

1086
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if I even believe this, but and

1087
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm just bashing Matt Ryan for no

1088
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 2: reason in particular, but like I don't know, like I

1089
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: don't I'm not like when I'm sitting, you know, there

1090
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: with with my grandkids bopping on my knee, I'm not

1091
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: gonna be talking about Matt Ryan. And I don't know

1092
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: that I'll be talking about Andrew Lucky either. But I

1093
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't I don't know how to fully

1094
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,439
Speaker 2: articulate what I'm trying to say. But I do think

1095
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 2: that at his best relative to the other best, I

1096
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: do think he was in that conversation. I don't think

1097
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: Matt Ryan was even though and by the way, maybe

1098
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 2: Matt Ryan doesn't make the Hall of Fame, and this

1099
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: whole argument that I have is completely moot. But I

1100
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 2: don't know, man, I still believe we got a couple

1101
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: more calls. You want to take one more, Jason? Before

1102
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: we got one more. Then we got to get to uh,

1103
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: we got to get to our boy, Ryan Fowler. Here

1104
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: is Marshall from Duluth, still on the phone. I am man,

1105
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: what's up?

1106
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 3: What's up?

1107
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: State?

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00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 9: The So first off, I would say I think that

1109
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 9: the Hall of Fame should be a lot smaller than

1110
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 9: it is, like too may people get in. And then

1111
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 9: for me, it's always been the two things, did you win?

1112
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 9: Are you a winner? And the AFC Championship Game, to

1113
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 9: my opinion is not he didn't win. I mean, like,

1114
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 9: that's good, that's really good, but you only did it once.

1115
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 9: A lot of quarterbacks have done that. And then the

1116
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 9: second one is maybe if you have a bunch of records.

1117
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 9: I mean, but like you said, I don't like when

1118
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 9: people play for twenty years like EMMT Smith, right, he

1119
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 9: has his records because he played for thirty years or whatever.

1120
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 2: But thank you for the call, Marshall.

1121
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1122
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: And I will say this Jason, and we do have

1123
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 2: to get to Ryan follow here momentarily. But I think

1124
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 2: that part of my argument is the fundamental debate of

1125
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: what is a Hall of Famer, and I think that

1126
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 2: what you brought up with Skip Bayless is maybe the

1127
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: best point is if you have to think about it,

1128
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 2: then the guy is probably not a Hall of Famer.

1129
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: And I guess my argument would be that as time

1130
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 2: has gone on, there's more and more guys that you

1131
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 2: either got to think about it or you flat out

1132
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 2: say no, that are actually in. And because of that,

1133
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 2: I think that the threshold across sports has been lowered.

1134
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 3: Except what you mentioned though that except football, it really hasn't.

1135
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 3: Like that's the thing. I agree with you. I think

1136
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 3: the NBA especially has been massively watered down in the

1137
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 3: last handful of years. I still feel like the NFL

1138
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 3: gets it right, Like I feel like they're about as

1139
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 3: close as you're going to get to it. You even

1140
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 3: said that football wasn't the best example because they kind

1141
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 3: of kept it a little bit tighter. I agree with

1142
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 3: that last caller. I think all Hall of Fames should

1143
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 3: be smaller because it should be something that is reserved

1144
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 3: for the elite of the elite of the elite, of

1145
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 3: which I don't think Andrew Luck qualifies.

1146
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what we could continue.

1147
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 3: We can ask Ryan Fower that question too. Yeah, there is.

1148
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 2: He's probably gonna be like, uh, yeah, I have no idea,

1149
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 2: but all right, Ryan Fowler is coming up. Bryan Fowler

1150
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 2: hosts the game Tied one hundred point nine in Tuscaloosa

1151
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 2: and SEC Media Days is as excited as we are

1152
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 2: about college about the NFL. College football is really about

1153
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: to ramp up over these next couple of days as well.

1154
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 2: Ryan Fowler joins us next college football on the docket,

1155
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 2: and maybe some more Andrew Luck down the road. Fox

1156
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 2: Sports Radio. Welcome back, everybody. Fox Sports Radio Er Toorus

1157
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 2: Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Tireck dot Com studios.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to go out to the phone lines now?

1163
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 2: SEC Media Day starts on Monday, the unofficial start of

1164
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 2: college football, and joining us. He is the host of

1165
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 2: the game on Tied one hundred point nine in Tuscaloosa

1166
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 2: two to six Central Time. Ryan Fowler is on the phone.

1167
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 4: Right.

1168
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 2: Let me just jump in by saying this. You're a

1169
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 2: guy that literally three hundred and sixty five days a

1170
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 2: year on your show Utah College Football. How excited are

1171
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: you to have something to actually talk about on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

1172
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: Thursday as opposed to just breaking down stuff that happened

1173
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 2: back in December.

1174
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 4: Tons we started at one hundred and well, we started

1175
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 4: at two forty five counting down to Alabama's game because

1176
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 4: we've been kind of hosting a funeral here in Tuscaluso, right,

1177
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 4: I mean, just not a championship year. So it's been

1178
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 4: one hundred and ninety five days and now we're down

1179
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 4: to forty nine days for Alabama. The excitement is here,

1180
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 4: and really it's been a busy offseason thanks to Natos

1181
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 4: and company and little Alabama baseball scandal. But listen, I

1182
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 4: know you guys are going to be talking about football

1183
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 4: and I love this event. You either hate it as

1184
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,959
Speaker 4: a media member or you love it. I would miss

1185
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 4: this one. I can't tell you the last time I

1186
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 4: missed an SEC media as. I love to sit there

1187
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 4: and listen to coaches, opposing coaches, listen to them talk,

1188
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 4: Listen to them players, But like you said, it's the

1189
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 4: unofficial start of college football, and that to me is important.

1190
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 4: I live for these days.

1191
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 3: Ryan, what's the What's who are you most interested to

1192
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 3: hear from at media days? Specifically, who is it that

1193
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 3: you really have your eye on. I know you're obviously

1194
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 3: going to have to pay attention to Nick, but outside

1195
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 3: of Nick, who else really has your eye?

1196
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 4: Well, Kirby, Smart's got some tough questions that are coming

1197
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 4: his way because they've had some off the field distractions,

1198
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 4: and rightfully so, he tried to you know, Torres and

1199
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 4: I talked about this yesterday yesterday on my show here

1200
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:03,439
Speaker 4: in Tuscaloosa, that he was kind of mark maneuver to

1201
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 4: do it in front of the local media, right, a

1202
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 4: little bit more friendly or not. They're still going to

1203
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 4: ask the tough questions, but sometimes the national guys can

1204
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 4: be a little bit more abrasive. But I don't think

1205
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 4: that's going to work. I think when you look at it,

1206
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 4: I think he's gonna have to answer some tough questions.

1207
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 4: But listen, the dominant topic is going to be Tennessee.

1208
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 4: Kirby was very happy yesterday that the Tennessee story broke

1209
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 4: in a cheating scandal. Listen, Tennessee has always walked in

1210
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 4: the gray area. For many times, they've camped out in

1211
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 4: the gray area. Philip Fulmer was the ad there. He's

1212
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 4: been known as a guy that has cheated and always

1213
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 4: got away with it. This time his program, he was

1214
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 4: the ad during this time, did not get about, you know,

1215
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 4: get by with it. They had twenty eight scholarships, and

1216
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 4: I see a little spin cycle coming out of Knoxville.

1217
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 4: Twenty eight scholarships is a significant amount. Alabama got popped

1218
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 4: in probation in two thousand and two and they lost

1219
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 4: twenty one scholarships among three years. I want what that

1220
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 4: those scholarship limitations did Alabama. It was it was very

1221
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 4: big challenge. They got twenty eight over five years. Now

1222
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 4: some of those have already been imposed. But regardless, you know,

1223
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 4: when you're cutting down a twenty percent of your scholarships

1224
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 4: for what you can sign, that's a problem. And Tennessee

1225
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 4: receives a big fine. So that's going to be the

1226
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 4: number one question. It's not Kirby Smart. It was going

1227
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 4: to be Kirby Smart until that Tennessee announcement from the

1228
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 4: NCAA came down yesterday. So it's going to be all

1229
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 4: about Tennessee cheaf Tennessee cheating, Tennessee cheat, and that's where

1230
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 4: everybody is going to go.

1231
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 3: Okay, So all right, So I'm gonna ask you a

1232
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 3: follow up. Since I do this show obviously out of

1233
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 3: Nashville and and have covered the walls for a long time,

1234
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 3: I kind of I kind of like that this is

1235
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 3: the way this has gone down because you talk about

1236
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 3: Tennessee cheating, the Tennessee that cheated isn't the one that's

1237
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 3: there now. That's that's always the problem for me. Ryan

1238
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 3: is just penalizing the current regime for something they had

1239
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 3: nothing to do with. Like Josh Hipel took the job,

1240
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 3: he knew that there could be challenges in it, but

1241
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 3: he's done nothing wrong as far as we know. I

1242
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 3: hate penalizing the present for sins of the past because

1243
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 3: you have such a change over the way college sports

1244
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 3: is set up every year every two years, with recruits

1245
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 3: coming in, all the problems, the guys that were doing

1246
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 3: all the violations, obviously the two hindred plus violations, and

1247
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 3: some of the guys that were receiving those benefits that

1248
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 3: are now at other universities are in the NFL. Those

1249
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 3: guys are gone. It's a really tough situation. Hypel saying

1250
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 3: that he was relieved, Yeah, he should be because I

1251
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 3: hated the idea that somebody that, and I've been around

1252
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 3: him a couple of times. I like Josh Hipel a lot.

1253
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 3: I hate the idea Ryan that he was going to

1254
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 3: get killed over this situation that he had no control over.

1255
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 4: Well, and you know Nick Saban of his first year

1256
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 4: here at Alabama, they vacated five wins from the two

1257
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 4: thousand and seventh season that had nothing to do with him. Nothing.

1258
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 4: So at some point, if he gets close to coach Bryant,

1259
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 4: I'd love to see them go back and try to

1260
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 4: get some of those wins because those five wins could

1261
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 4: be the difference in breaking coach Bryant's record. But here's

1262
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 4: the question. It really Yeah, Josh Hippel won't get a

1263
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 4: lot of those questions. But you know if I was

1264
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 4: a betting man and I put this up on Twitter,

1265
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 4: is when you look at Josh Hippel right now, there's

1266
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 4: not enough good coaches, don't There's not enough great coaches

1267
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 4: to go around in college football right now? I mean,

1268
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 4: look at it. To me, we're almost having the stretch

1269
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 4: to make coaches. So if you're Josh Hipfel and you're

1270
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 4: looking at five years probation negative of you know, being

1271
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 4: recruited against you, regardless if it's three or five or

1272
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 4: however they decide to bite it up with US twenty

1273
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 4: eight scholarships. My question is will he be there next

1274
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 4: year if one of those big jobs comes available, let's

1275
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 4: say for Rent Vinables. And I know there was some

1276
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 4: bad blood out there out in Oklahoma with Josh Hippel

1277
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 4: as assistant coach and how it ended and all that,

1278
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 4: but money solves a lot of proper and Oklahoma's got

1279
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 4: a lot of money if Brent Fvinnables hits the wall

1280
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 4: and he has those seasons, because I don't see any

1281
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 4: energy out of Brent Vinibles none. I mean it's like zero.

1282
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 4: If something happens, they would be crazy not to go

1283
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 4: to Josh Hipel. And so now what Tennessee fans maybe

1284
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 4: thought that he was going to be their long term

1285
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 4: and I think he's a heck of a football coach.

1286
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 4: I mean, look what he did Alabama last year. Offensively,

1287
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 4: he destroyed Pete Goding's defense. So when you look at Joshipel.

1288
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 4: The question to me is not about the NCAA, it's

1289
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 4: will he leave? And see, we had a coach that

1290
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 4: same situation, Coach Franchon. He came in. He was kind

1291
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 4: of told that, hey, it's not going to be a

1292
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 4: big probation, it's not going to be a big punishment.

1293
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 4: Well that here comes the NCAA Hammers Alabama. He leaves

1294
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 4: in the middle of the night to go to Texas

1295
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 4: A and M. So these coaches, they'll tell you the

1296
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 4: right thing. But when that big job offer comes and

1297
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 4: you don't have to play with one hand tied behind

1298
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 4: your back, that would be My question. Is Josh Heipel

1299
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 4: really long term? And I know right now he's saying

1300
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 4: all the perfect things his cast two. But at the

1301
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 4: end of the season, if he has another great season

1302
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 4: and they should have a pretty solid season, he's gonna

1303
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 4: get some big offers. He's gonna get some offers, and

1304
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 4: probably some of that buyout clause in that contract. If

1305
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 4: there was a smart agent, they probably wrote it up saying, hey,

1306
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 4: we may not have that buyout if there's a big sanctions,

1307
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 4: you know, to the program, and I think twenty eight

1308
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 4: sanctions and a five year probation is significant.

1309
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 2: Ryan Fowler tied one hundred point nine joining us Ryan,

1310
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 2: by the way, sort of related, but you know when

1311
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 2: I moved to LA was when USC was going through

1312
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 2: thirty scholarships in three years. Ironically, Lane Kiffin came from

1313
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 2: Tennessee ended up at Alabama. So that's one that's very

1314
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 2: close to you guys as well. And by the way,

1315
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 2: I don't believe lane Kiffin was as bad as people

1316
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 2: thought he was at USC. I just think he was

1317
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 2: working without, you know, a very unstacked deck, the way

1318
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 2: that a lot of coaches were. Anyway, I do want

1319
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 2: to talk about the team that you cover the most, Alabama,

1320
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 2: and I'm kind of torn on it, Ryan, Like, like,

1321
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 2: you know, I'm doing all my prep work this offseason.

1322
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 2: I really actually do like Alabama. But I also understand

1323
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 2: the trepidation most notably because there is no really, for

1324
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 2: the first time in probably about a decade, there's no

1325
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 2: obvious succession plan at quarterback. It was Jalen Hurts and

1326
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 2: then Jalen to Tua, and then Tua to Mac Jones

1327
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 2: and then mac Jones to Bryce Young, where even when

1328
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 2: guys hadn't started, you knew who was coming next. So

1329
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 2: let me ask you, this is Alabama actually taking a

1330
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 2: step back? Because I think everybody, you know, Georgia right

1331
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 2: now is on top. And I do think this week

1332
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 2: LSU will probably be voted to win the SEC West,

1333
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 2: even though I disagree with that. But is Alabama actually

1334
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 2: taking a step back or is this a direct byproduct

1335
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 2: of you know, last year, as you said, was a

1336
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 2: little bit of a disappointing season, and they don't have

1337
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 2: that obvious guy at quarterback that's automatically going to re

1338
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 2: elevate them.

1339
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 4: You know, you look at the Loud six recruiting classes,

1340
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,479
Speaker 4: three of them are number one classes. Some of those

1341
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 4: classes are still in Tuscaloosa, the talents here for them

1342
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 4: to go win a national title, but the quarterback spot.

1343
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 4: And I watched again today. I know people say, Ryan,

1344
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 4: you have absolutely no life. I went back to watch

1345
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 4: the spring game because I wanted to.

1346
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 2: The Sugar Bowl was on. By the way I watched it,

1347
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 2: I was angry.

1348
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 4: It was so so I went back and I watched

1349
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 4: the A Day game today and I reminded myself of

1350
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 4: there was some struggles, there was some highlight, there was

1351
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 4: some moments, but you kind of understand why Nick Saban

1352
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 4: went out and get Tyler Buckner. He's their safety net.

1353
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 4: And so this is truly a three horse race. If

1354
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 4: you put me in Vegas and I had some of

1355
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 4: Torres is big money, and I walked up on that book,

1356
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 4: that sports book, and I said, all right, there's ten

1357
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 4: thousand dollars. But they said you got to pick the quarterback.

1358
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 4: It would literally be just pulling something out of a basket.

1359
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 4: I really don't. I mean, Torres, You've known me for

1360
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 4: a long time. I've always had strong opinions on the quarterbacks.

1361
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 4: This one I do not. I really do not. I

1362
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 4: think it is a three horse race. This thing will

1363
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,959
Speaker 4: crank up in fall camp and you've got to start there.

1364
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 4: You also have to start with a wide receiver. Keep

1365
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 4: your eye on Malik Benson. I think the question is

1366
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 4: can he be that number one? RBN Meer said this

1367
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 4: a few weeks ago, y'all's colleague at Fox Sports. He

1368
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 4: said that Alabama has been lacking in the receiver group.

1369
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 4: I agree with him. They have not had that a

1370
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 4: you know, DeVante Smith, Jerry Judy, Jalen Wattle type wide receiver.

1371
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 4: They thought Jermaine Burton was going to be that guy.

1372
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 4: He didn't do it. It was probably a B minus

1373
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 4: at best. They need that alpha in that room, in

1374
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 4: the wide receivers. They're loaded running backs, they're loaded offensive line. Defensively,

1375
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 4: they will be better under Kevin Steele. So I know

1376
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 4: you didn't ask me all of that, but this Alabama

1377
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,439
Speaker 4: team has questions and we're not accustomed to that going

1378
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 4: into the fall camp. But Nick Satan's got to be

1379
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 4: loving it. He's smiling ear to ear that his team

1380
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 4: is not, you know, the favorite to be picked for

1381
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 4: the SEC West.

1382
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of storylines. It's the SEC. We

1383
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 3: know this, Ryan, I just have a I just want

1384
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 3: you to put on an Ostra Damas cap for me

1385
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 3: and answer the following question. Is timbo Fisher still the

1386
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 3: head coach of Texas A and M one year from today?

1387
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 4: Have you ever been forced to do something and you

1388
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 4: really didn't want to do it?

1389
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 3: Definitely? Yeah.

1390
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 4: I My wife tells me all the time, Ryan, you

1391
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 4: got to pick up your clothes. You throw them in

1392
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 4: the floor and she has to come by and pick

1393
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 4: them up, put them in the dirty, you know, launder hamper.

1394
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 4: Jimbo Fisher was forced to hire Bobby patrenta they wanted

1395
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 4: to get somebody else and that could call place because

1396
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 4: his offense is just got matched up with the current

1397
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 4: side of things. I'm not another betting situation. Torrez is

1398
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 4: money uh sportsbook out in Vegas. I'm there. I would

1399
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 4: bet that it would collapse and go to a disaster

1400
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 4: more than I think that it works out. I think

1401
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 4: there's two egos. I think there's two different and right

1402
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 4: now they're all saying all the right things. But let's

1403
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 4: get third and seven in that first game, third and seven.

1404
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 4: I want to call this play. No no, I want

1405
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 4: to call this play no no, no, I want to

1406
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 4: call that can create some static because Jimbo doesn't really

1407
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 4: want to give it up. He didn't want to have

1408
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 4: to go and hire Bobby Patrino, but they made him.

1409
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 4: How is that going to work out? Is Bobby Patrino

1410
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 4: just going to step away? This would be something. When

1411
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 4: I look at this, I would not bet that this

1412
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 4: experiment works. And if you start looking at their schedule,

1413
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 4: he's gonna win some double digit games because they returned

1414
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 4: nineteen of the twenty two starters. Nineteen of twenty two starters.

1415
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 4: They return more starters than anybody. Now they had a

1416
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 4: bad team last year, but they still get some experience back.

1417
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 4: They've got to be able to show up with some wins,

1418
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 4: and they've got to be able to put some wins

1419
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 4: up or that buyouts gonna come quick. He's not gonna

1420
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 4: make it. So they don't want eight wins. They're looking

1421
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 4: for double digits. Do they have enough to get in there?

1422
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 4: That is to be determined. But I'm gonna say this,

1423
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 4: I find a way. We may not even make it

1424
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 4: to October before this experiment hits the fan out in

1425
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 4: college station, and that's where I would be betting that

1426
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 4: it does.

1427
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 2: Right one minute left. I've got to be quick here.

1428
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 2: Speaking of betting, Georgia is the betting favorite going into

1429
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 2: this year to win a third straight national championship. Whether

1430
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 2: it's because of the quarterbacks, whether it's because you think

1431
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 2: somebody in the SEC is going to beat him, whether

1432
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 2: it's because of the offseason turmoil. Do you believe they're

1433
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 2: the best team going in? Do you believe that they

1434
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 2: should be the favorites, or do you think they're gonna

1435
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 2: fall short of a third straight national championship.

1436
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 4: I watched a lot of talented teams fall short because

1437
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 4: of distractions. In TUSCILUSO. Watched it almost try to win

1438
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 4: three in a row multiple times. Those back to back

1439
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 4: championships are the hardest of anything. When you win two,

1440
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 4: it's even harder. I think they've got the most talent,

1441
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 4: but something just does not fill right over there. And

1442
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 4: also remember they're replacing the offensive coordinator if something is

1443
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 4: just missing there. Not saying they can't get it back together,

1444
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 4: because when the schedule they play, it's cupcake city for

1445
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 4: those guys. They're the best team, best schedule, but that

1446
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 4: off the field is a distraction that I think at

1447
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 4: the end of the day may cost them another National time.

1448
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 2: Very interesting stuff. You can hear it in his voice.

1449
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 2: He has fired up SEC media days. Ryan Fowler tied

1450
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 2: one hundred point nine in Tuscaloosa, the game two to

1451
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 2: six Central Time. Ryan, enjoy your trip to Nashville. We'll

1452
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 2: be leaning on you, man. We appreciate your time. We'll

1453
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 2: be having you on a lot during the season.

1454
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 4: Hey, thank you, Torres, thank you Jason. I'll talk to

1455
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 4: you guys very very soon. I always appreciate the conversation

1456
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 4: that is.

1457
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:49,719
Speaker 2: Ryan Fowler tied one hundred point nine game. Yeah, great, great,

1458
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 2: great stuff. There's actually a lot that he said that

1459
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 2: I want to react to before we do, though, Let's

1460
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 2: toss it over the news desk, Steve de seger Flores yours,

1461
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 2: my friend.

1462
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 6: Still got a couple of ball games going on this Saturday,

1463
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 6: and Houston has retaken the lead eleven to nine in

1464
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 6: Anaheim against the Angels top of the eighth inning with

1465
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 6: a home run. Halo's had just scored six in the

1466
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:12,799
Speaker 6: bottom of the seventh to briefly even the game. Tigers

1467
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 6: lead at Seattle six to nothing in the top of

1468
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 6: the eighth, just two hits for the Mariners everything else's final.

1469
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 6: Boultimore won at seventh game in a row, six to

1470
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:24,719
Speaker 6: five over Miami. The Marlins Luisa Riaz did have four hits.

1471
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:27,959
Speaker 6: He's patting three eighty six this year, but the Orioles

1472
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 6: are a couple games back of Tampa Bay, which won

1473
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 6: twice six to one and four to two at Kansas City.

1474
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 6: Dodgers won their sixth straight, five to one over the

1475
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 6: Mets in New York Mets, which is three hits. Toronto

1476
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 6: down to Arizona five to two. Diamondbacks now two games

1477
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 6: back in the first place Dodgers in the NL West.

1478
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 6: San Francisco hanging tough Giants have won four straight, including

1479
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 6: tonight's win at Pittsburgh three to one. White Sox won

1480
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 6: at Atlanta six to five. We mentioned last hour that

1481
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 6: the Braves have actually lost a home game for the

1482
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 6: first time in over a month. They did homer in

1483
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 6: this game. In fact, Ronald Acunya had two home runs

1484
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 6: in defeat, but the Braves as a team at least

1485
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 6: one home run in twenty eight straight games. The record

1486
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 6: is thirty one straight by the Yankees in twenty nineteen.

1487
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 6: Minnesota sent Oakland to a six straight lost ten to seven.

1488
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 6: Milwaukee a three to nothing winner at Cincinnati Tonight. The

1489
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 6: Reds offense, which just one hit and twelve strikeouts, three

1490
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 6: straight shutout wins for Milwaukee. The Brewers first in the

1491
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 6: NL Central a game over the Reds. Yankee sixty three

1492
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,759
Speaker 6: winners at Colorado. Gencarlos Stanton a three run home run

1493
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 6: wins today for the Cubs and Texas. Saint Louis earned

1494
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 6: a split of its home doubleheader against Washington and Philadelphia

1495
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 6: swept to over the Padres six to four and nine four.

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Speaker 6: Kyle Schwarber homered in each game. Rory McElroy leads the

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Speaker 6: Scottish Open by one stroke going into the final round.

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Speaker 6: In just a few hours, he'll be teeing off his

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Speaker 6: fourth and final round. Steph Curry leads the Celebrity tournament

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Speaker 6: in Lake Tahoe and the Wimbledon champion is marquetev and

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Speaker 6: Drusiva the first unseated woman to take the title.

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Speaker 3: There back to.

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Speaker 2: You, thank you very much, Steve Disager. Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Saturday Eron Torris Jason Martin broadcasting live from

1505
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 2: thee Tireck dot com studios. That's what I want to do,

1506
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 2: come back, Ryan said, some really good stuff. We'll talk Georgia,

1507
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 2: We'll talk A and M. College football is here, baby,

1508
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 2: that's next. Fox Sports Radio, Jamart. You ever seen the

1509
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 2: Wedding Singer Adam Sandlers. This song reminds me so much

1510
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 2: of that movie Peak eighties. Here's that to me.

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01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 3: I asked Chris Purfett to play new wave all night

1512
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 3: tonight and that's what we're getting. And it's glorious.

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01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 2: This is a jam And for you know, the music

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01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 2: itself is a little before my time. But when they

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01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 2: did the eighties retrospective movie The Wedding Singer with Adam

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01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 2: Sandler and Drew Barrymore. Great movie. Great rewatch. If you're

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Speaker 2: in front of a TV Fox Sports radio erin Torris,

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01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 2: Jason Martin broadcasting live from the T dot com studios,

1519
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 2: and we did just talk. We talked to a lot

1520
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 2: of college football Ryan Ryan Fowler from TIED one hundred

1521
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:10,759
Speaker 2: point nine. Ryan was awesome and we appreciate his time.

1522
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 2: And if you missed anything he said, go back and

1523
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 2: download the podcast. I want to hit quickly on two

1524
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 2: things that we just discussed with Ryan Jason. The first

1525
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 2: one is what you talked about with A and M.

1526
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 4: So.

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01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 2: I think everybody knows, but Jimbo Fisher has signed this

1528
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 2: like insane contract with an insane buyout. I believe the

1529
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 2: number going out of last season was like eighty plus

1530
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:33,719
Speaker 2: million dollars a year. So for people who don't understand

1531
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,679
Speaker 2: what that means, if Jimbo Fisher was fired, he would

1532
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,560
Speaker 2: have been owed every dollar on his contract, which was

1533
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 2: eighty plus million. This after a five and seven season,

1534
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 2: started in the top ten, finished five and seven offseason happens.

1535
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 2: They're not going to fire him, but change needs to

1536
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 2: be made. As you references Ryan reference Bobby Petrino. Yes,

1537
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 2: the former NFL head coach former Arkansas head coach et

1538
01:14:56,120 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 2: Cetera was brought in as the offensive coordinator. So Texas

1539
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 2: A and M coming into the year really does need

1540
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 2: to get back on track. Jason, and you asked Ryan,

1541
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 2: I'll ask you, what do you make of the Aggi's

1542
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 2: going into this season.

1543
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 3: I'm fascinated to watch it. But you know where I

1544
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:18,679
Speaker 3: stand on Jimbo. You know, I was there when Bobby

1545
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 3: Petrino got the gig at Western Kentucky. I had just

1546
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 3: finished school at WKU, but I came back and I

1547
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 3: was covering the team there at that point in time.

1548
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 3: So I was there for that whole era, and I

1549
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 3: was there for what he left behind with Jeff Brohm.

1550
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 3: And Petrino is an interesting figure. I tend to agree

1551
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:41,560
Speaker 3: with Ryan Fowler's assessment that he didn't want Bobby Petrino

1552
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 3: because in effect, they're saying, dude, your stuff's not good enough.

1553
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 3: Let's go get somebody who we know can move the football.

1554
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 3: And Jimbo, that's what you're supposed to be able to do,

1555
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 3: and Jimbo feels like that's what he's supposed to be

1556
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:58,480
Speaker 3: able to do. I don't think that those two personalities

1557
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 3: fit together. I don't think that those two egos have

1558
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 3: a particularly strong percentage chance of meshing well and leading

1559
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 3: to the best version of Texas A and M football.

1560
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 3: Question is, are the two brains are they? Can they

1561
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 3: just stay out of each other's way enough to be

1562
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 3: cool winning, benefiting both of them in the long term.

1563
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 3: Do they see mutual benefit in that? I don't know.

1564
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 3: I am very skeptical. And the reason I asked followed

1565
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 3: the question if he would be the coach a year

1566
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 3: from today is because this is the year. This is

1567
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 3: the proven year where there's no more oh, you know,

1568
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 3: he's got to wait till he gets his guys, or

1569
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 3: he's still trying to figure a couple of things out

1570
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 3: and all this and it's gonna work out. I mean,

1571
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 3: when you recruit like that, you have to win, exactly

1572
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. When you recruit like that, you have

1573
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 3: to win, or you get fired, or you get bought out,

1574
01:16:57,960 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 3: or they find a way to get you out of

1575
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,679
Speaker 3: there with the show cause or who knows whatever else.

1576
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 3: This is the year where Jimbo Fisher has to step

1577
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 3: up and show he's either one of the elite coaches

1578
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 3: or a name that doesn't have a whole lot behind him.

1579
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 3: If Jameis Winston's not his quarterback.

1580
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would just say with an I think the

1581
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 2: daikata or the dynamic between the two of them is

1582
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 2: certainly the most interesting thing. And I think what Ryan

1583
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 2: said and what you just said is right is that

1584
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 2: it's easy in April and May and June and July

1585
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 2: to say all the right things. We'll see what happens

1586
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 2: when it's third and four and you need a first

1587
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 2: down to keep to potentially win a game. The only

1588
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:37,680
Speaker 2: thing I would say, like A and M for all

1589
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 2: the consternation, and I get it, preseason top ten team,

1590
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 2: you can't go five and seven. Five of the seven

1591
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 2: losses were by a touchdown or less, and you know

1592
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 2: they were literally a play away against Alabama, they were

1593
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 2: play away against South Carolina from winning those games, and

1594
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 2: seven and five still isn't good enough, but you know

1595
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 2: you beat Alabama for a second straight year. Whatever the

1596
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 2: point I'm trying to make is they don't need to

1597
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 2: be monumentally better. They just need to be a little

1598
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 2: bit better. And I'm fascinated to watch really quick Jason Georgia.

1599
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 2: We mentioned it. I've mentioned it quite a bit. They've

1600
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 2: had like almost a dozen players arrested. International Championship. Obviously

1601
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:15,759
Speaker 2: a fatal car accident took the life of a player.

1602
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 2: I'm with Ryan, I think there's something going on there.

1603
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean every one of the program's the worst person

1604
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 2: in the world, but it's hard enough to win at

1605
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 2: the level that they've won at now, even with all

1606
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 2: the talent, there's a lot of off the field distractions.

1607
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 2: Where are you at with Georgia going into the season?

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01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 3: I am still hesitant to pour dirt on that grave.

1609
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 3: I just can't get there. I still look at what

1610
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 3: they're recruiting and the way that they've become kind of

1611
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 3: a machine, and I say, somebody's gonna have to go

1612
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 3: take it from them. I think Tennessee's got a shot,

1613
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 3: but I want to see what they've got at quarterback

1614
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 3: to follow up ending Hooker, and they lost some skill

1615
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 3: talent certainly in the draft. I believe in Josh Eipel,

1616
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 3: I believe in what they're doing. There are they ready

1617
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 3: to take that step? I don't know that I trust

1618
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 3: anybody else in the East. So if you believe Georgia

1619
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 3: is still going to outlast Tennessee, then you're looking at

1620
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 3: Georgia versus either an LSU or maybe in Alabama, or

1621
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 3: then you start looking outside of the conference. I still

1622
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 3: think Georgia is an absolute just machines the only word

1623
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 3: I keep going to. They just feel like a football

1624
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 3: factory at this point in time. So I still kind

1625
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:25,919
Speaker 3: of am on the Georgia side, even though I agree

1626
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 3: things don't feel right at this moment.

1627
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 2: Don't disagree with anything you said. And we will be

1628
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 2: talking a lot of college football, maybe even a little

1629
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 2: bit more later in the show, but certainly in this

1630
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 2: timeslot for people who are new to this show. Jason

1631
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 2: and I do the National Overnight Reaction, So a lot

1632
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 2: of college football next few months. Fox Sports Radio eron

1633
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 2: tors Jason Martin coming up. We do go to the

1634
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 2: NBA Lebron He's not retired. What a stunner. Next. Welcome man, everybody,

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Speaker 2: our three torres in Martin. We are taking up until

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Speaker 2: two hours of the show, we talket a lot of

1642
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 2: NFL will circle back maybe on the Andrew Luck conversation,

1643
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 2: Hard Knocks becomes official, and then last hour a lot

1644
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 2: of college football. Ryan Fowler from Tuscaloosa joined us to

1645
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 2: previ the SEC Media Days this week, and Jason and

1646
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 2: I talked a little bit about some of the big

1647
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 2: storylines as well. If you missed any of it, make

1648
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 2: sure to download the podcast after the show. Jason, you know,

1649
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 2: it feels like we're starting now to wind down the

1650
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:49,600
Speaker 2: NBA news cycle. Summer League is essentially over, free agency

1651
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,440
Speaker 2: is essentially over. We are waiting on two big stories,

1652
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 2: Damian Lillard and James Harden. Not a lot of movement

1653
01:20:56,439 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 2: on each. But it's really pretty pretty much the end

1654
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 2: of the basketball news cycle for the time being. But

1655
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 2: we did get a story this week, and I don't

1656
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 2: know if i'd call it interesting because I don't think

1657
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 2: that it was ultimately shocking. But if you remember, and

1658
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:14,640
Speaker 2: I know you do because we talked about it on

1659
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 2: the show. After the Los Angeles Lakers got swept in

1660
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 2: the Western Conference Finals by the Denver Nuggets. And by

1661
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 2: the way, we've talked about this. This isn't an anti Lakers,

1662
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 2: anti Lebron thing. I thought the Lakers by the end

1663
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 2: of the playoffs were the second best team in the NBA.

1664
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 2: The Nuggets were that good. Most of those games came

1665
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:33,560
Speaker 2: right down to the wires. So this isn't gonna be

1666
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 2: an anti Lebron anti Lakers. But with that said, the

1667
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 2: second that the game went final against Denver, Game four

1668
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 2: at Crypto dot Com Arena, oh, we got an interesting

1669
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:51,520
Speaker 2: statement from Lebron James where he basically said, you know,

1670
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 2: I really I gotta think about the future and what

1671
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do here. And then all of a sudden,

1672
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 2: it just so happened that Chris Haynes had a separate

1673
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 2: report saying that he's contemplating retirement, and then Dave mcman

1674
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 2: him in at ESPN just so happened to catch him

1675
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 2: going out of the building where Lebron James said that

1676
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 2: he was uncertain about his future. Well, Jason, I want

1677
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 2: you to go ahead and take a deep sigh of relief,

1678
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 2: because after months of uncertainty, Lebron James did address his

1679
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 2: future at the sb's this week. Here is what he

1680
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 2: had to say.

1681
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 10: I don't care how many more points I score, or

1682
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 10: what I can and cannot do on the floor. The

1683
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 10: real question for me is can I play without cheating

1684
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 10: his game? The day I can't give the game everything

1685
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 10: on the floor is the day I'll be done looking

1686
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 10: for you guys. That day is not today.

1687
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 2: I will say, before Chris just played that music, I

1688
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 2: was gonna say, you know, amongst all the great speeches,

1689
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 2: you know, the Gettysburg address, I have a dream that

1690
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 2: lebron Jay speech was right there. You know, Jason, I

1691
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 2: was moved to tears because I you know, I really

1692
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 2: thought he was retiring. I thought I thought this was it.

1693
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 2: I mean, sure, he's talked about playing with his son

1694
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 2: and that was how he was gonna end his career. Sure,

1695
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 2: he just played in the Western Conference Finals at a

1696
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 2: high level, had thirty plus points in the first half

1697
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 2: of Game four. I was really worried. I have not

1698
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 2: gotten a wink of sleep since Game four of the

1699
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 2: Western Conference Finals. I can finally sleep with ease, Jason Martin. Wow,

1700
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 2: I can finally sleep with these Wow.

1701
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 3: The Roman Emperor Domitian.

1702
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 2: Wow, We're going deep in this there.

1703
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 3: Renamed September and October, Germanicus and Dominicanus, so basically he

1704
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 3: named him after himself. I mentioned that because of the

1705
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 3: self glorification inherent in making that choice, deciding that you

1706
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 3: needed to actually change the names of two months to

1707
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 3: reflect yourself. He also called himself divine and said that

1708
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,720
Speaker 3: the emperor worship was non negotiable, meaning you either worshiped him

1709
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:08,679
Speaker 3: as if he were God or you were executed again.

1710
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 3: All about self glorification. This wasn't like uncommon in the

1711
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 3: Roman world. This man, Lebron James stood up on stage

1712
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 3: at the spis and suggested that we were lucky because

1713
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 3: he was going to continue playing basketball, when no one

1714
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 3: for two seconds thought that he wasn't going to play basketball.

1715
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 3: He told us the thing that we already knew, and

1716
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 3: it wasn't even like the worst kept secret. We didn't

1717
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,440
Speaker 3: even take it seriously that night. What was the critique

1718
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 3: when he put out that comment and people were talking

1719
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,719
Speaker 3: about it for a few days afterwards. It's is stealing

1720
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 3: the Nuggets moment, stealing all of this other kind of stuff.

1721
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 3: Now he's on stage at the SPI's he's saying, am

1722
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:57,839
Speaker 3: I going to cheat the game? No? But you're cheating

1723
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 3: my evening at this point in time like this right here.

1724
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 3: I heard uh Rob Parker say this last week. I've

1725
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:07,680
Speaker 3: heard other people say this. This is nothing germane to me,

1726
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 3: but this right here makes it really hard to cheer

1727
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 3: for Lebron James or to be on his side. This

1728
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 3: is that part of this character or that part of

1729
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:22,679
Speaker 3: like the Lebron James experience that rubs everybody the wrong

1730
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:27,640
Speaker 3: way because it was completely unnecessary, it was unforced, and

1731
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,759
Speaker 3: it was basically renaming two months of the Roman calendar

1732
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 3: after himself, but doing it on stage in front of

1733
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:34,799
Speaker 3: a television audience.

1734
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what my takeaway was is you know,

1735
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 2: I really and I said this the night of I mean,

1736
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 2: I could probably pull up the tweets. I won't do

1737
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 2: what I want poor people with it. But like the

1738
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 2: idea that he thought anybody thought that he was actually

1739
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 2: gonna retire. And I don't know if maybe he's watched

1740
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 2: Tom Brady or other players kind of milk the retirement thing.

1741
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger. I don't know what it was,

1742
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 2: but to me, what this speaks to is something that

1743
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 2: he has done actually I don't want to say regularly,

1744
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 2: but more than once in his career, and that is

1745
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 2: whenever he has a bad playoff loss, immediately deflect the

1746
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,799
Speaker 2: conversation if you remember or try to deflect the conversation.

1747
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 2: I know you remember, Jason, but I forget what year

1748
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:21,799
Speaker 2: it was against the Warriors. And by the way, nobody

1749
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 2: ever blamed him for losing to a stacked Warriors team

1750
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 2: after they got Kevin Durant. But it was one of

1751
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 2: those two years where immediately after the finals Game four,

1752
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:34,799
Speaker 2: comes to the podium with his hand in a cast

1753
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 2: and we're like, what is he doing? Oh, you know,

1754
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 2: and it's like and so this situation after game four

1755
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 2: the Western Conference Finals this year, it was so blatantly

1756
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 2: obvious that this was some kind of ploy to get

1757
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 2: the attention off of the fact that he was swept.

1758
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 2: And I don't think, like you said, it wasn't like

1759
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 2: anyone for even half of a second thought it was

1760
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 2: actually going to happen. And I remember saying it at

1761
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 2: the time, is like, this is why I can ever

1762
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 2: be an insider in sports. And it's not that I'm

1763
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 2: jealous of Chris Haynes or any of these guys who

1764
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 2: do it, but you gotta put out a bunch of

1765
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 2: bs that you know isn't true, Like if Lebron James

1766
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,560
Speaker 2: came to me and his camp and whoever said, I

1767
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 2: got a little.

1768
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 3: Scoop for you.

1769
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 2: You know, Lebron is seriously considering retirement. And then they

1770
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 2: tried to play it up and you know, get you

1771
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 2: to write the article and tweet out the link, and

1772
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 2: it's like, no, no one believes this. You just play

1773
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 2: your First. Of all, we could dislike Lebron for a

1774
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 2: lot of things. He's still playing at an insanely high level,

1775
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 2: including as I said, thirty points in what ended up

1776
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 2: being the closeout game in the final game of the

1777
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 2: Lakers season. Lakers are actually, you know, very good going

1778
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 2: into next year. But beyond that, he's talked about playing

1779
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 2: with his son. He's talked about being with Bronni, maybe

1780
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 2: with the Lakers or maybe with somebody else. Like the

1781
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 2: idea that he thought that anyone was gonna believe it

1782
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 2: is ridiculous. And then it again, it goes back to

1783
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:59,600
Speaker 2: what we just talked about. It's just insulting to the

1784
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 2: Denver Uggets. Let them have their moment, go to the

1785
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 2: podium and talk about how great they are. Go to

1786
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 2: the podium and say we got some work to do

1787
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 2: to get back to this stage because that's the best

1788
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 2: team that we saw all year, and we want to

1789
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 2: be where they are, which is going to the NBA

1790
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,719
Speaker 2: Finals next year. It's just like, and oh, by the way,

1791
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 2: I'd add this too, that run to the Western Conference finals.

1792
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:22,759
Speaker 2: While it was disappointing that it ended in the manner

1793
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 2: that it did, as I you know, they played the

1794
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 2: Nuggets tough. I know that playing playing a team tough

1795
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 2: doesn't doesn't get you at you know, they don't give

1796
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 2: out awards for playing teams tough. But like, I don't

1797
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:35,600
Speaker 2: think they're that far away, and like it would have

1798
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 2: actually just been cool if he had just given them

1799
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 2: their flowers and said they're incredible. We feel really good

1800
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:43,640
Speaker 2: about where we're at. But that is what we that

1801
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 2: is who we are striving to be. It's just it's

1802
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 2: just so insulting to the opposition, it's so insulting to

1803
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 2: the media, and it's so insulting to the fans, who

1804
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 2: he just thinks are dumbity And then oh, by the way,

1805
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 2: forget all the clowns that are clapping for him at

1806
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 2: the SP's as if he just announced a cure for cancer. Like,

1807
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 2: give me a freaking break. The whole thing was just

1808
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 2: sad and pathetic for a guy that is a great

1809
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 2: basketball player that doesn't need to be doing these things.

1810
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 3: It was the second most obnoxious comment that Lebron James

1811
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 3: has ever made about his own career. I don't think

1812
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 3: anything's ever gonna top I'm gonna take my talents to

1813
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:26,559
Speaker 3: South Beach. But this is probably second in line and

1814
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 3: all he would have had to do to say and

1815
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 3: convey the same message without going down this pathway while

1816
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 3: he was on stage in the same moment as man,

1817
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to trying to bring another championship back

1818
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 3: to LA next year. That's all you gotta say, Cause

1819
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 3: then at that point you are telling people you're gonna

1820
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 3: keep playing, and you're saying, man, I feel like we

1821
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 3: got a shot. I'm looking forward to getting back on

1822
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:50,559
Speaker 3: the court in the fall. Nobody's talking about this after that.

1823
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,559
Speaker 3: We're certainly not talking about in a negative context. Say hey,

1824
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 3: Lebron looks like he's confident about the season coming up.

1825
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 3: Because no one took a second glance at him retiring

1826
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 3: when he said it. They all kind of saw it

1827
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 3: for what it was, especially mentioning playing with the sun

1828
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 3: and all that other kind of stuff. Everything that came out,

1829
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 3: nobody bought it. So if he goes on stage and

1830
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 3: instead of saying today is not that day, if instead

1831
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 3: of that, he just goes up there and he's like, man,

1832
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 3: I'm really looking forward to being with the guys in

1833
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 3: camp and getting ready for the season. Like, we don't

1834
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 3: have this discussion. This segment doesn't exist. There's not a

1835
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 3: talking point to be made out of it. And I

1836
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 3: think that's the problem is I think Lebron likes the

1837
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:33,759
Speaker 3: fact that there's a talking point made of this, Like otherwise,

1838
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 3: why would you say it. There's no other reason to

1839
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 3: do it in the manner in which he did and

1840
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:41,959
Speaker 3: in that place at that time, with that audience.

1841
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 2: Completely unrelated but sort of related. This plays into a

1842
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:48,640
Speaker 2: theory of mine. Lebron James is going to be the

1843
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:52,599
Speaker 2: most insufferable retired athlete ever. Like I do not look

1844
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:54,640
Speaker 2: forward to when he is retired, because this is a

1845
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 2: guy that has been used to having the spotlight on

1846
01:30:57,479 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 2: him literally since he was fifteen, sixteen years old, and

1847
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,640
Speaker 2: even in the offseason finds a way to need to

1848
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 2: have the spotlight on him. I mean, you know, a

1849
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 2: few years ago dunking and his son's high school layup lines.

1850
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 2: This summer was coaching Bryce's AAU teams, and I get it.

1851
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:17,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not going to criticize a dad for

1852
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 2: coaching his son, but it's like he just needs to

1853
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 2: have the spotlight on him, and it's like, I don't know,

1854
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 2: it's just so lame and transparent and pathetic. I don't

1855
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 2: think he's going to retire gracefully. And that's another conversation

1856
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:33,640
Speaker 2: for another day, Jason, but I don't think it's going

1857
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 2: to be graceful when he eventually does have to step away.

1858
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 3: I think there's I mean, I think there's truth to that,

1859
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 3: because he's never not been in the spotlight. He at

1860
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:45,680
Speaker 3: any point where we don't understand that life at all.

1861
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 3: We don't understand what it's like to have cameras on

1862
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:49,559
Speaker 3: you and be on the front of magazines before you're

1863
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 3: out of high school, and us know your name before

1864
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 3: you get out of high school, or even before you

1865
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 3: start your senior year in high school, all of that

1866
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. I understand he's lived a completely different

1867
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 3: life and as a result of that, some of the

1868
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 3: actions that he has taken and honestly, considering all that,

1869
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 3: he's a massive success story on every single level. I

1870
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 3: do think it's gonna be difficult for him to recede

1871
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 3: into the background. I think it's gonna be hard, maybe

1872
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,759
Speaker 3: even impossible, for him to just go live his life

1873
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 3: after the fact. Who, by the way, would you put

1874
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:27,040
Speaker 3: on the list that he might be joining or supplanting.

1875
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 3: If you're talking about him being the most insufferable athlete

1876
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:32,840
Speaker 3: in retirement, who currently holds that for you? I think

1877
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 3: that's that's a question to think about. Maybe it's one

1878
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 3: to take into the break and consider a little bit longer.

1879
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 3: I just happen to think of it since you mentioned it,

1880
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 3: don't I don't readily have one. I've got to sit

1881
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 3: here and think about it too. So maybe that's one

1882
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 3: to just kind of chew on for a little while.

1883
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'll tell you what we will talk about,

1884
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 2: potentially the most insufferable athlete in retirement. I also want

1885
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 2: to talk about the most insufferable athlete maybe currently playing

1886
01:32:57,960 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 2: right now.

1887
01:32:58,600 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 3: Oh you mean James Harden.

1888
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:01,360
Speaker 2: Oh I mean you just ruined the same I mean

1889
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 2: I finally nail a tase. I tripped over like four.

1890
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:06,880
Speaker 3: Differents actually I don't know, it may still be Kyrie.

1891
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:09,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kyrie is actually way more INSI you know who

1892
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 2: else is really insufferable? Ben Simmons, who I saw another

1893
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 2: video today of him working out without a basketball. It's like, yeah,

1894
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:16,120
Speaker 2: I need you. I need to see you be able

1895
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 2: to shoot a bass. I don't care that you're benching

1896
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 2: two twenty five right now?

1897
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 3: Can you can? Can you?

1898
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 2: Can you make an open ten foot jumper? So we

1899
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 2: won't be discussing Ben Simmons next, We won't be discussing

1900
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 2: Kyrie next, But maybe we discussed James Harden. Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: dot com. For the break, we were talking about Lebron

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01:33:54,920 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 2: James is essentially insufferable comments this week, basically announcing to

1908
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 2: the world that he's coming back to play in the NBA,

1909
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 2: even though we all knew it. Jason before the breakass

1910
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 2: who is the most insufferable retired athlete. This was based

1911
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 2: on my statement that I said once once he retires,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be brutal. He's used to be in

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Speaker 2: the spotlight all that. Couple couple dominees. First of all,

1914
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Speaker 2: George Sands tweeted at me a picture of a Ruffles

1915
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Speaker 2: bag with lebron He says, these are a ripoff, only

1916
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 2: four chips total. In other words, a little play on

1917
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 2: words there. It's clever. I liked it. George Sands, shout

1918
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Speaker 2: out to you.

1919
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Speaker 3: Jason.

1920
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Speaker 2: Jason tweeted both of us, says, Scottie Pippen is probably

1921
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Speaker 2: the most insufferable retired athlete. You know. I think that's

1922
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 2: a good one. Like I also will just say this,

1923
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 2: and I know we don't do a ton of TMZ

1924
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:55,680
Speaker 2: stuff here. I think I think two things happened at

1925
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:59,320
Speaker 2: the same time with Scottie Pippen. One, the last dance

1926
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 2: came out, which just completely glorified Michael Jordan, and I like,

1927
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Speaker 2: I'm not of the belief that it made Scotty Pippen

1928
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:09,160
Speaker 2: look as bad as it did. Like he had the

1929
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 2: one bad moment where he asked out of a game

1930
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 2: and literally everybody that was there was like, yeah, that

1931
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:18,559
Speaker 2: was a punk thing to do, Like when everyone agrees

1932
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,200
Speaker 2: it's not Michael Jordan that's making you look bad, it's

1933
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Speaker 2: you that So that was the first thing, and then

1934
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:26,720
Speaker 2: the second thing. I think it goes without saying his

1935
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 2: wife gallivanting around town with all sorts of men that

1936
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 2: are much younger than her, most notably and by the way,

1937
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:36,000
Speaker 2: you're allowed to date who you want, but you know

1938
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:39,720
Speaker 2: current NBA players. Now she is dating the son of

1939
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan. I could see how that could break command.

1940
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 2: So I feel like this whole Scottie Pippen kind of downfall,

1941
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:50,920
Speaker 2: if that's the right word. I do think it kind

1942
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 2: of correlates with the release of The Last Dance in

1943
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:56,639
Speaker 2: him also going through a divorce. I don't know if

1944
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:58,680
Speaker 2: if this is ground we want to cover Jason. But

1945
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:00,439
Speaker 2: that's just some quick thoughts on Scotty Pippins.

1946
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think Pippins. Pippin's a good one,

1947
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 3: just because I mean he was he became a little

1948
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,240
Speaker 3: bit close to insufferable near the end of his career

1949
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 3: when he stayed on the bench in the fourth quarter

1950
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 3: in Portland, and I think he was already pretty salty

1951
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:17,599
Speaker 3: before the last dance. The last dance pushed him over,

1952
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:20,880
Speaker 3: but he had already said some fairly unflattering things and

1953
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:25,920
Speaker 3: tried to sort of, I don't know, position himself in

1954
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Speaker 3: the Jordan discussion and make sure that he was part

1955
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 3: of it all the time. I think there are more

1956
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 3: candidates right now of guys that I think are going

1957
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 3: to be insufferable or are certainly going to be insufferable

1958
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 3: to a certain segment of the sports watching population that

1959
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 3: are still active than ones that are already retired. Like

1960
01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:50,480
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think, like the guys that have become analysts,

1961
01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 3: some of them irritate me or aren't guys that I

1962
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 3: particularly want to hear from, and then some are the

1963
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:59,639
Speaker 3: exact opposite. But I don't know that there's like somebody

1964
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 3: that told Jumps out. But I definitely agree that there

1965
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:06,840
Speaker 3: are gonna be some rough ones. And I do think

1966
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:09,760
Speaker 3: that the guys that are just giant superstars that can't

1967
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:13,559
Speaker 3: tolerate just not being there anymore, and so they stick

1968
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 3: around too long and they do things that arguably hurt

1969
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Speaker 3: their legacy, or they just won't go away. I think

1970
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:22,880
Speaker 3: that's that's always going to be a problem to some degree.

1971
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 3: But I mean you think about guys that might retire

1972
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:29,160
Speaker 3: and might become annoying or more or irritating or just

1973
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 3: frustrating to deal with. I think there's a longer list

1974
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:34,679
Speaker 3: of current guys than there are guys in the past,

1975
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:36,720
Speaker 3: because I do think it has been easier for a

1976
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 3: lot of the guys in the past to walk away.

1977
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the seventy two dolphins were kind

1978
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:44,960
Speaker 3: of obnoxious. If we want to throw one out there,

1979
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:48,160
Speaker 3: I mean, there certainly have been some guys that have

1980
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 3: been a little obnoxious and you haven't necessarily wanted a round.

1981
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 3: But I definitely think there's some active candidates, including a

1982
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 3: few that I know we want to talk about.

1983
01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, a head News mentions Megan Raupino.

1984
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, go ahead hander the trophy. I

1985
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 3: that's definitely I can't make a better argument than that one.

1986
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Speaker 2: Quite frankly, yeah, I don't. I don't agree with virtually

1987
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 2: anything she says. And you know, there's some water to

1988
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 2: be weighted here. If we really want to do this.

1989
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 2: At nine twenty seven, about three minutes before we get

1990
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Speaker 2: to disager, let me ask you this, And by the way,

1991
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:30,160
Speaker 2: if you want to jump in on Repino feel free.

1992
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 2: I pretty much disagree with everything she says publicly. SPORTSQ

1993
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 2: brings up something interesting that I want to dive into.

1994
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 2: I mentioned Lebron in retirement. Sports Q says, Lebron has

1995
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 2: already let it be known that he isn't going anywhere

1996
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:44,960
Speaker 2: when he stops playing by already floating the idea he

1997
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 2: wants to be an NBA owner. Here's my question, Jason,

1998
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:52,800
Speaker 2: I think that's going to be absolutely fascinating from this perspective.

1999
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 2: I don't know that there has been a single player

2000
01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:01,720
Speaker 2: in the history of major sports that has cared less

2001
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:04,200
Speaker 2: about what ownership wants and has made it more about

2002
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:06,280
Speaker 2: himself and has had the leverage to do so. By

2003
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:09,080
Speaker 2: the way, Lebron is the I think even the haters

2004
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:10,840
Speaker 2: would agree he is probably the second best basketball player

2005
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:14,840
Speaker 2: to ever live. But this is a guy that has demanded,

2006
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:19,560
Speaker 2: you know, multiple He's basically tried to become the de

2007
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:23,360
Speaker 2: facto GM wherever he goes, tries to get multiple players traded,

2008
01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 2: multiple free agents signed, you know, leaves what he wants

2009
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:30,240
Speaker 2: to leave, goes on one year contracts to make himself

2010
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:34,679
Speaker 2: as flexible as possible. I've often thought, you know, you know,

2011
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:37,240
Speaker 2: there's an old saying it's fun to hunt until the

2012
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 2: rabbits got the gun, and I don't even know exactly

2013
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:42,080
Speaker 2: what that means, but I think it's basically that it's

2014
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 2: fun to be in one shoe. You know, it's fun

2015
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:46,400
Speaker 2: to have a pair of one shoes, but when you're

2016
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:48,760
Speaker 2: in the other side, it's not nearly as fun. And

2017
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Speaker 2: I've often thought about that with lebron Is, like, you know,

2018
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:56,200
Speaker 2: essentially that I think it'll be very interesting when he's

2019
01:39:56,240 --> 01:40:00,360
Speaker 2: on the other side and there's an athlete making fifty

2020
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:03,120
Speaker 2: sixty seventy who knows how many million a year at

2021
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 2: that point that kind of has the leverage over him.

2022
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 2: I know it's kind of a weird thing to think

2023
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:10,479
Speaker 2: about now, but I've often thought about it'll be interesting

2024
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:12,719
Speaker 2: to see how he handles that, because he has basically

2025
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:16,360
Speaker 2: controlled every negotiation he has ever walked into, and that's

2026
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:17,880
Speaker 2: not gonna be the case if and when he ends

2027
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 2: up being an NBA owner.

2028
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's true. It's a different it's a

2029
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:26,120
Speaker 3: different world. It's more difficult to navigate. There are different

2030
01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 3: things that you have to do, and we've seen some

2031
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:31,000
Speaker 3: that have been able to step in and do it

2032
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:33,720
Speaker 3: and some that haven't now. I do think that you

2033
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:35,360
Speaker 3: talk about the leverage to being on the other side,

2034
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:37,680
Speaker 3: and that definitely is intriguing, especially with the NBA and

2035
01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:39,880
Speaker 3: the power that the players wield. I will say that

2036
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:43,600
Speaker 3: Lebron has de facto been in the front office for

2037
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:46,559
Speaker 3: much of his career, and so I think he's gonna

2038
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:49,040
Speaker 3: be a little bit better equipped just because he's already

2039
01:40:49,120 --> 01:40:51,960
Speaker 3: been a decision maker. I think we've I mean, it's

2040
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:55,200
Speaker 3: been a running joke for years about coaches that he's

2041
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:57,840
Speaker 3: gotten moved out of there and guys he's wanted to

2042
01:40:57,840 --> 01:40:59,559
Speaker 3: play with and brought them in and all that kind

2043
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:02,679
Speaker 3: of stuff. And I do think that his basketball mind

2044
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:05,040
Speaker 3: is about as sound as you're gonna find in terms

2045
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:07,840
Speaker 3: of I do think sometimes he leans a little bit

2046
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:10,479
Speaker 3: too much on the older guys, but maybe he sort

2047
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:13,560
Speaker 3: of learned his lesson there with the Russell Westbrook scenario

2048
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:16,400
Speaker 3: and how that played out for him, And I understand

2049
01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:18,200
Speaker 3: he looks at those guys and he remembers when they

2050
01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:21,800
Speaker 3: were real difficult tasks for him for his teams to

2051
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 3: deal with years and years ago. But I don't think

2052
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:26,960
Speaker 3: he's gonna be stepping in completely blind I think he

2053
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:30,479
Speaker 3: has been a businessman and kind of on that side

2054
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 3: long enough that I feel like he's got a better

2055
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:37,720
Speaker 3: shot than most. But in order to do it successfully,

2056
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:40,519
Speaker 3: he's gonna have to get out of the spotlight. Like

2057
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:43,439
Speaker 3: he's just gonna have to go do the work behind

2058
01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:46,000
Speaker 3: the scenes. The thing that's really interesting about the Miami

2059
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:51,439
Speaker 3: Heat is pat Riley is a megastar. We still know

2060
01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:54,880
Speaker 3: who pat Riley is, but pat Riley now just does

2061
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:59,439
Speaker 3: stuff like the team is the team. We know who's

2062
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:02,759
Speaker 3: spoe in, we understand who Jimmy Butler is, we understand

2063
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:05,080
Speaker 3: some of the players, but like pat Riley still makes

2064
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:08,360
Speaker 3: a ton of big time decisions along with Spolstra. But

2065
01:42:08,439 --> 01:42:10,720
Speaker 3: we don't hear pat Rowley's name every day, and we

2066
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:13,040
Speaker 3: don't see him in the media every day, and he's

2067
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:15,719
Speaker 3: not out there making comments and demanding to be paid

2068
01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:19,200
Speaker 3: attention to. He's just behind the scenes being excellent at

2069
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:23,000
Speaker 3: his job. If Lebron approaches it and sees it and

2070
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 3: goes through the pat Riley way, I think he's got

2071
01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:29,360
Speaker 3: a shot. The question is is he capable of that?

2072
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:33,240
Speaker 3: Considering the life that he's led and the exposure that

2073
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:33,960
Speaker 3: he's used to.

2074
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 2: I'll tell you a really funny story because I want

2075
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:39,360
Speaker 2: to get to the sager here this week, just this week,

2076
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:43,360
Speaker 2: so I did a short interview with one of my

2077
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:45,519
Speaker 2: He was really a breakout star of Summer League. Guy

2078
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:48,160
Speaker 2: named Orlando Robinson was a backup this year for Miami.

2079
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:50,280
Speaker 2: He's been incredible in Summer League, had thirty six in

2080
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:52,280
Speaker 2: the season opener. And I asked him, I said, you

2081
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:54,400
Speaker 2: know what makes Boso special? And he went through the

2082
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 2: whole spiel. This, that the other thing. I said, well,

2083
01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:58,920
Speaker 2: you gotta give me a good pat Riley story. And

2084
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:02,439
Speaker 2: he's like, honestly, pat Rally doesn't really come around. He's like,

2085
01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:05,240
Speaker 2: you know, he really doesn't come around. He's hands off.

2086
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:08,599
Speaker 2: We like we feel his presence in the building. We

2087
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 2: know that we are playing to the standard that he set,

2088
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:13,800
Speaker 2: but it's Spoe who really handles the day to day stuff.

2089
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:15,439
Speaker 2: And so I think it's interesting that you say that,

2090
01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:18,000
Speaker 2: because I literally was just talking to somebody about that

2091
01:43:18,479 --> 01:43:21,960
Speaker 2: this week. Pat Rally is probably a great example of

2092
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:25,000
Speaker 2: how you can be great at what you do, great

2093
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:27,880
Speaker 2: behind the scenes without being you know, front and center.

2094
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:30,760
Speaker 2: Don't know that Lebron will be as graceful when he

2095
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:33,679
Speaker 2: ultimately ends up in ownership Fox Sports Radio inner towards

2096
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:36,240
Speaker 2: Jason Martin coming up. Do want to get very quickly

2097
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:40,360
Speaker 2: to that James Harden conversation that we teased earlier. Before

2098
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 2: we do, though, let's toss it over the news Desta Seger.

2099
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:43,920
Speaker 2: What's trending, my friend?

2100
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,639
Speaker 6: Well, one ball game still going in Anaheim. The Angels,

2101
01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 6: who've lost six in a row, just scoring three in

2102
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:53,480
Speaker 6: the bottom of the ninth. It's twelve twelve Angels and Astros.

2103
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:55,680
Speaker 6: They're in the top of the tenth inning. Halo's just

2104
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:57,960
Speaker 6: left second and third in the bottom of the ninth.

2105
01:43:58,240 --> 01:43:58,960
Speaker 6: Everything else.

2106
01:43:59,000 --> 01:43:59,360
Speaker 3: Final.

2107
01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:01,800
Speaker 6: Dodgers on their six in a row, five to one

2108
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:04,400
Speaker 6: at the Mets, who held to just three hits tonight

2109
01:44:04,439 --> 01:44:07,799
Speaker 6: after just one hit last night against La White Sox

2110
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:10,200
Speaker 6: held on for a win at Atlanta six to five,

2111
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:14,080
Speaker 6: beating All star Spencer Streider was eleven and two. Baltimore

2112
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:17,000
Speaker 6: picked up its seventh straight victory six ' five over

2113
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:20,200
Speaker 6: the Marlins despite four hits from Luisa Riaz, who's batting

2114
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Speaker 6: three eighty six. Tampa Bay swept a double header at

2115
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:26,640
Speaker 6: Kansas City. Philadelphia swept a twin bill against the Padres

2116
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:31,200
Speaker 6: Saint Louis survived, getting a split of its doubleheader against Washington.

2117
01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:33,840
Speaker 6: Cardinals took the late game tonight nine to six over

2118
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:37,160
Speaker 6: the Nationals. Wins Today for Toronto and Texas, the Cubs

2119
01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:40,519
Speaker 6: beat Boston ten to four, update the Angels going to

2120
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:43,160
Speaker 6: the bottom of the tenth in a twelve twelve tie

2121
01:44:43,439 --> 01:44:48,360
Speaker 6: against Houston. Winnsday Night Yankees in Detroit, Minnesota and Milwaukee

2122
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:51,200
Speaker 6: with victories, the Brewers' first place alone in first in

2123
01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:53,760
Speaker 6: the NL Central Game up on the Reds winners at

2124
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:57,760
Speaker 6: Cincinnati tonight three nothing. Rory McElroy leads the Scottish Open

2125
01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:00,519
Speaker 6: by one stroke going to the final round. It's only

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Speaker 6: a few hours away from the leading group getting into

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Speaker 6: action with the time difference for final round of the

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01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:10,320
Speaker 6: Scottish Open. Steph Curry leads the Celebrity Golf tournament in

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Speaker 6: Lake Tahoe, and the Wimbledon champion is Marquette van Drusiva,

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Speaker 6: the first unseeded woman to take the title.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 2: Back to you, Sega, you'll be joining us again in

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Speaker 2: about ten minutes. What do you got for your extended updat?

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Speaker 6: Well, we will talk about the Celebrity Golf. Who's in

2135
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:25,920
Speaker 6: the top ten, and who's in the bottom ten in

2136
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:29,400
Speaker 6: Lake Tahoe this weekend? How good the Brewers have been

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01:45:29,479 --> 01:45:32,920
Speaker 6: this week. We'll mention the college football Week zero that

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01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:36,800
Speaker 6: you referenced briefly earlier in the show. And also the

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01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:39,719
Speaker 6: Rams Stadium is going to be hosting Gold Cup Final

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Speaker 6: on Fox TV that'll be on Sunday night.

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Speaker 2: Back to you, Oh awesome, to Sagre, Thank you very

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Speaker 2: much the Saga. We'll be rejoining us again in about

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Speaker 2: ten minutes from now. Fox Sports Radio eron Tours Jason

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Speaker 2: Martin broadcasting live from the Tireck dot Com studios. Jason,

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01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:56,840
Speaker 2: you know, earlier in this hour, or really I think

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01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:58,800
Speaker 2: it was even earlier in the show, we kind of

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01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:02,240
Speaker 2: mentioned really just two NBA stories that are kind of

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01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:05,800
Speaker 2: dragging on, and you know, I don't think we have

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01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:07,160
Speaker 2: to spend a ton of time on him because there's

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01:46:07,200 --> 01:46:08,800
Speaker 2: not really a ton of a bunch of new news.

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01:46:08,840 --> 01:46:11,320
Speaker 2: But the Damian Lollard story kind of speaks for itself.

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01:46:12,160 --> 01:46:14,679
Speaker 2: He wants to be in Miami. His agent has essentially

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01:46:14,720 --> 01:46:17,160
Speaker 2: said he's not gonna report if he's traded anywhere else,

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01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 2: and there's a conversation of whether that's right, whether that's wrong.

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01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:24,120
Speaker 2: You know, my personal opinion is, basically, after pretty much

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01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:27,040
Speaker 2: you know, ten different players in the last half decade

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01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:29,880
Speaker 2: have demanded trades to one specific team. I'm not gonna

2158
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:32,400
Speaker 2: get mad at Damian Lillard. Why I bring it up

2159
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:34,479
Speaker 2: is because the other one is more interesting to me,

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01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:39,080
Speaker 2: And that's the ongoing situation with James Harden. James Harden

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01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:42,519
Speaker 2: obviously opted into that thirty one million dollar deal with

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01:46:42,640 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 2: the Philadelphia seventy six ers in large part to essentially

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Speaker 2: get traded and basically demanded a trade. And you know,

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01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:53,080
Speaker 2: obviously the you know, can sign a long term extension

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Speaker 2: once he ends up in a new place. This and that, uh,

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01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:58,360
Speaker 2: and you know, when it happened, there was all these

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01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:00,960
Speaker 2: reports about could the Knicks be in interested, could the

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Speaker 2: Clippers be interested, you know, fill in the blank, blah

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01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:06,920
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. I don't know that there's a

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Speaker 2: market for James Harden, Jason, and I could be totally wrong,

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01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:14,439
Speaker 2: and maybe everybody's playing hardball whatever. I think this is

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01:47:14,479 --> 01:47:17,400
Speaker 2: one of those deals where listen, we saw we just

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01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:19,559
Speaker 2: saw this with Kyrie Irving. He gets traded to Dallas.

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Speaker 2: He's trying to leverage Dallas to get what he wants.

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01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:23,400
Speaker 2: To credit to him, he got the three, He got

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Speaker 2: three out of four years in that that long term extension.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think there was the market for Kyrie

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Speaker 2: Irving that he wanted. And when I look at James Harden,

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Speaker 2: it goes back to what you and I have talked

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01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:36,360
Speaker 2: about for years now. Jason. This is a guy that

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01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:40,720
Speaker 2: has had everything handed to him the t when he

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Speaker 2: was with Houston, they hand selected multiple stars to play

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Speaker 2: with him. Claims that he just wants to be part

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Speaker 2: of a winning team. Goes to Brooklyn, He's not happy

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Speaker 2: there with his quote unquote best friend Kevin Durant. Goes

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Speaker 2: to Philadelphia, reunites with Daryl Morey, who has had his

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01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:56,519
Speaker 2: back time and time again. He's not happy there. I

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01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:59,400
Speaker 2: don't know, Like when when when it was just assumed

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Speaker 2: that he was gonna end up with the with the

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles Clippers, I said, I don't really know why

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01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:06,360
Speaker 2: the Clippers would want him, and I don't really know

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01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:08,599
Speaker 2: why anybody would be in a rush to get him.

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01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 2: Do you think that this is just Daryl Morey holding

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01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:14,400
Speaker 2: out for maybe better offers than are available. I don't

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01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:16,960
Speaker 2: know that there's a market for James Harden. I really don't, Jason.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that the officer is gonna get better.

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01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:21,160
Speaker 3: I think they might get worse. I think that that's

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Speaker 3: the part of it where it's interesting to me is

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01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:25,320
Speaker 3: it just doesn't feel like they're And I think you

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01:48:25,479 --> 01:48:29,160
Speaker 3: said it in the midst of what you were just stating.

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Speaker 3: I think that you know, at some point you know

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01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:37,360
Speaker 3: the market that he is looking for. I just don't

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01:48:37,360 --> 01:48:40,320
Speaker 3: think anybody's in a hurry. And you shouldn't be in

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01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:43,200
Speaker 3: a hurry. There's not people lined up at James Harden's

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01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:46,280
Speaker 3: door trying to sell him. He It's it's not that

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01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:48,240
Speaker 3: way anymore. This isn't five years ago.

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01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 4: Now.

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01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:52,000
Speaker 3: At this point in time, you are looking at James

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Speaker 3: Harden as a pro and con. You're saying, Okay, you

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01:48:54,520 --> 01:48:56,360
Speaker 3: bring him in, and here's what he's capable of doing,

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01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:59,640
Speaker 3: but here's what he's bringing along with him. Here's what

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01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:02,800
Speaker 3: you are also getting on the negative side. So if

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01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:05,640
Speaker 3: you're looking at a blackboard right now or a whiteboard

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01:49:06,720 --> 01:49:08,800
Speaker 3: and you've got a dry erase marker, and there's pro

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01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:11,040
Speaker 3: on one side and there's con on the other side,

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01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:13,200
Speaker 3: it's gonna be fifty to fifty or there's gonna be

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01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:15,679
Speaker 3: more on the con side than the pro side. Hasn't

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01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:18,599
Speaker 3: won a championship, hasn't performed very well in the playoffs

2219
01:49:18,640 --> 01:49:22,719
Speaker 3: Throughout his career can be bristly and can be difficult

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01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:26,360
Speaker 3: in your locker room. Doesn't necessarily bring the optimism, the

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01:49:26,439 --> 01:49:30,719
Speaker 3: positive energy, the positive vibe that you might want. He's aging,

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01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:34,679
Speaker 3: he's had health concerns, he's had weight concerns, like all

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01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:36,400
Speaker 3: of that is there. And then on the other side,

2224
01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:38,080
Speaker 3: one of the great scorers in the history of the

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01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:42,040
Speaker 3: NBA years ago, and two or three times a week

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01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 3: or maybe four out of ten games, he's gonna give

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01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:48,320
Speaker 3: you something you really like. Two out of ten games,

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01:49:48,360 --> 01:49:50,760
Speaker 3: he's gonna give you something relatively special. If you get

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01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:53,400
Speaker 3: him at the right time, then that can be crucial

2230
01:49:53,479 --> 01:49:55,320
Speaker 3: for you. But I think you have to have the

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01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:58,000
Speaker 3: right team and the right mix where he can come

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01:49:58,040 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 3: in and not be expected to do all that much.

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01:50:00,840 --> 01:50:02,960
Speaker 3: And I just think there are teams that are holding

2234
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:07,200
Speaker 3: out because if Daryl Morey's waiting for some giant deal

2235
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:10,559
Speaker 3: to materialize, I don't think that's coming because I don't

2236
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:14,120
Speaker 3: think anybody believes that they're gonna leverage the future of

2237
01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:18,000
Speaker 3: their franchise for whatever is left in the James hardened tank.

2238
01:50:18,040 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 3: And I'm not even sure we're playing with twenty five

2239
01:50:20,120 --> 01:50:21,639
Speaker 3: percent of a gas tank right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just you know, I keep going back to

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01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 2: you know, just just just the fact that everything you

2242
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:32,280
Speaker 2: said like like out of shape. I don't want to

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01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:33,880
Speaker 2: say he's like a bad teammate. He led the league

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01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:36,479
Speaker 2: in assists, so it's not he's a bad teammate, but

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01:50:36,520 --> 01:50:39,479
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just like, I think what you're

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01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:41,920
Speaker 2: getting from him at this point and what you're gonna

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01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:45,960
Speaker 2: have to ultimately pay. I think James Harden, I don't

2248
01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:47,519
Speaker 2: want to say he's overplayed his hand. He's allowed to

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01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:49,840
Speaker 2: do what he wants. I mean, we've created this world

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01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:52,479
Speaker 2: where he just demand trades if you're not happy. But

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01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:54,559
Speaker 2: I think if you're by the way, the other thing too,

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01:50:54,640 --> 01:50:57,360
Speaker 2: like especially the Clippers, Like if you're Steve Balmer, you

2253
01:50:57,400 --> 01:51:00,000
Speaker 2: put all your chips in the Kawhi Leonard Paul George

2254
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:03,000
Speaker 2: basket only to be disappointed time and time and time again.

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01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:06,280
Speaker 2: And now you're gonna bring this guy in who's a

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01:51:06,439 --> 01:51:09,160
Speaker 2: constant malcontent, never happy.

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01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:12,280
Speaker 3: That's the question. That's what needs to be on the whiteboard.

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01:51:12,280 --> 01:51:13,800
Speaker 3: I was thinking about this as you were saying it.

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01:51:14,479 --> 01:51:16,200
Speaker 3: This is the only question. This needs to be on

2260
01:51:16,280 --> 01:51:18,599
Speaker 3: all the whiteboards in the NBA of anybody that is

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01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:21,880
Speaker 3: considering the James Harden experiment for their team. It just

2262
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:24,800
Speaker 3: needs to be one question, and the brain trust needs

2263
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:27,120
Speaker 3: to sit around and you have to get to a yes,

2264
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:30,680
Speaker 3: and this is your problem. Here's where the trick comes in.

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01:51:31,240 --> 01:51:34,320
Speaker 3: The question is this will he be happy here?

2266
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:37,960
Speaker 2: Never been happy literally anywhere he plays.

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01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:40,400
Speaker 3: I don't think there is a single team that if

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01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:42,120
Speaker 3: you put their brain trust in a room with that

2269
01:51:42,200 --> 01:51:46,240
Speaker 3: one question and James Harden's picture underneath it, that could

2270
01:51:46,280 --> 01:51:49,000
Speaker 3: answer that question yes and feel good about themselves walking

2271
01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:51,679
Speaker 3: outside of that room. I think that's a big problem here.

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01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:54,559
Speaker 2: I think it's totally fair. I think it's totally fair,

2273
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 2: and I think it's something worth monitoring because, like I said,

2274
01:51:57,320 --> 01:51:59,400
Speaker 2: I do not think there's the market for James Harden

2275
01:51:59,439 --> 01:52:01,720
Speaker 2: that James Harden and thinks there is for James Harden.

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01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:04,479
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio, Eric Torris, Jason Martin. Coming up, we

2277
01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:06,280
Speaker 2: will go to the news desk to Saga with his

2278
01:52:06,360 --> 01:52:10,320
Speaker 2: extended update. As he said, good stuff on college football

2279
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:13,240
Speaker 2: Gold Cup and much much much more to Saga. Next.

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01:52:13,320 --> 01:52:18,880
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back everybody. Fox Sports Radio erit Torris,

2281
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:21,639
Speaker 2: Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Tireck dot Com studios,

2282
01:52:21,640 --> 01:52:25,599
Speaker 2: and as we do every Saturday night into Sunday, around

2283
01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:28,679
Speaker 2: twelve forty five Eastern time, toss over the news desk

2284
01:52:28,720 --> 01:52:30,960
Speaker 2: to Saga with his extended update. Saga, what he got?

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01:52:31,120 --> 01:52:35,479
Speaker 6: Well, the extended came Coli a fight. It was a

2286
01:52:35,479 --> 01:52:37,880
Speaker 6: fight card technically at UFC, but you know how they

2287
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:40,320
Speaker 6: have fights at not the arena, but just at the

2288
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:43,800
Speaker 6: apex shits like friends and family and five or osen

2289
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:48,040
Speaker 6: people and absolutely no noise going on during the postmatch interviews.

2290
01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:50,679
Speaker 6: That's that's what was going on tonight. And a loss

2291
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:54,120
Speaker 6: for Holly Holm. She was beaten by Myra Buena Silva

2292
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:57,320
Speaker 6: with a choke at the end. So Holly Holm taps out.

2293
01:52:57,439 --> 01:52:58,559
Speaker 2: That is now a final.

2294
01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:02,160
Speaker 6: The Brewers are making this Cincinnati Reds TapouT all weekend long.

2295
01:53:02,280 --> 01:53:05,960
Speaker 6: My goodness, it's three nothing tonight. Milwaukee wins at Cincinnati

2296
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:08,920
Speaker 6: with three solo homers. Brewers first in the NL Central

2297
01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:13,759
Speaker 6: game up Milwaukee, three straight shutout wins. Now Reds offense

2298
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:17,160
Speaker 6: was held to one for twenty eight with twelve strikeouts.

2299
01:53:17,200 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 6: In fact, the Brewers are now the first team in

2300
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:22,320
Speaker 6: the history of Major League Baseball to not just record

2301
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:25,680
Speaker 6: three straight shutouts, but do so while striking out at

2302
01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:29,000
Speaker 6: least a dozen patters in each of the three games

2303
01:53:29,479 --> 01:53:32,439
Speaker 6: we mentioned earlier. Tonight, a rare home loss for the Braves,

2304
01:53:32,439 --> 01:53:36,200
Speaker 6: White Sox beat them six to five. Seven straight wins

2305
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:39,200
Speaker 6: for the Baltimore Orioles, but Tampa Bay swept a doubleheader

2306
01:53:39,200 --> 01:53:41,400
Speaker 6: at Kansas City, and the Dodgers won their sixth in

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01:53:41,439 --> 01:53:44,280
Speaker 6: a row, wh the Giants won their fourth straight. Celebrity

2308
01:53:44,280 --> 01:53:48,519
Speaker 6: golf going on in picturesque Lake Tahoe this weekend the

2309
01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:52,960
Speaker 6: annual American Century Championship, and Steph Curry is the leader.

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01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:55,080
Speaker 6: Couldn't tell you his golf scorer because they can buy

2311
01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:57,880
Speaker 6: a points system, but put it this way, He's at

2312
01:53:57,920 --> 01:54:01,599
Speaker 6: plus fifty in the lead. Charles Barkley is at minus

2313
01:54:01,640 --> 01:54:04,280
Speaker 6: twenty five for his scoring, so there's a slight difference

2314
01:54:04,280 --> 01:54:07,240
Speaker 6: between their two rounds so far this weekend, but Steph

2315
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:09,280
Speaker 6: Curry is in the lead. Also in the top ten,

2316
01:54:09,400 --> 01:54:13,080
Speaker 6: Marshall Folk, former golfer Anica Sorenstam is in the top ten,

2317
01:54:13,200 --> 01:54:16,080
Speaker 6: I should hope so, and Steph's dad, Del Curry is

2318
01:54:16,160 --> 01:54:19,640
Speaker 6: tied for tenth with John Smoltz, who, as we all know,

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01:54:19,880 --> 01:54:22,880
Speaker 6: very much fancies himself a golfer and perhaps, if not

2320
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:25,840
Speaker 6: such a great broadcaster, would be attempting to be a

2321
01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:29,000
Speaker 6: permanent senior golfer. As for the bottom ten, let's start

2322
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:31,640
Speaker 6: with Charles Barkley. It tied for eighty first out of

2323
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:35,520
Speaker 6: the roughly ninety golfers this weekend. DeVante Adams also tied

2324
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:39,440
Speaker 6: for eighty first in Tahoe, Kyle Rudolph at eighty fifth place,

2325
01:54:39,720 --> 01:54:43,680
Speaker 6: Mike Golick tied for eighty sixth Basketball, Zach Levine at

2326
01:54:43,720 --> 01:54:47,800
Speaker 6: eighty ninth place, then DeMarcus Ware and the mizz at

2327
01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:48,560
Speaker 6: ninety first.

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01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:50,960
Speaker 2: What an eclectic group.

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01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:54,800
Speaker 6: Very much so, absolutely very much so. College football gets

2330
01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:58,200
Speaker 6: underway with the so called Week zero, just a handful

2331
01:54:58,240 --> 01:55:01,480
Speaker 6: of games, not in September, but on the final Saturday

2332
01:55:01,480 --> 01:55:04,760
Speaker 6: of August. This has happened before, but the first game

2333
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:08,040
Speaker 6: of the season will be August twenty sixth in Dublin,

2334
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:11,600
Speaker 6: Notre Dame against Navy. There is an FS one game

2335
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:14,520
Speaker 6: on that Saturday night late August with San Diego State

2336
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:18,040
Speaker 6: hosting Ohio U and USC will have its opener at

2337
01:55:18,040 --> 01:55:20,520
Speaker 6: home that Saturday night against San Jose State. Of course

2338
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:22,920
Speaker 6: it's on PAC twelve network, so good luck finding you.

2339
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:24,920
Speaker 2: Oh well, have they have Arnie Spanier calling with up that.

2340
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:27,240
Speaker 6: That's right because it can only be seen in Vermont.

2341
01:55:27,800 --> 01:55:30,200
Speaker 6: Los Angeles probably can't see the game Vermont.

2342
01:55:30,280 --> 01:55:30,600
Speaker 2: Yes.

2343
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:33,760
Speaker 6: With us past the halfway point of not just the

2344
01:55:33,800 --> 01:55:37,200
Speaker 6: baseball season but the calendar year, I did see a

2345
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:40,000
Speaker 6: list of the top twenty five sporting events as far

2346
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:43,240
Speaker 6: as TV ratings so far this year. Predictably, the top

2347
01:55:43,280 --> 01:55:46,920
Speaker 6: three is Super Bowl number one and the Conference Championships

2348
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:50,879
Speaker 6: games two and three. In fact, everything was an NFL

2349
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:55,120
Speaker 6: game in not just the top ten, but essentially the

2350
01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:59,720
Speaker 6: top twenty, plus the College Championship game with Georgia wiping

2351
01:55:59,720 --> 01:56:02,640
Speaker 6: the floor with TCU. That was number twenty two, twenty

2352
01:56:02,680 --> 01:56:05,440
Speaker 6: second place in the ratings so far this year, a

2353
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:09,960
Speaker 6: fair respectable seventeen million viewers that night. Yukon's March Madness

2354
01:56:10,040 --> 01:56:12,960
Speaker 6: victory over San Diego State got under fifteen million, but

2355
01:56:13,040 --> 01:56:15,960
Speaker 6: that makes the top twenty five. So the Georgia win,

2356
01:56:16,320 --> 01:56:18,880
Speaker 6: the Yukon win, and The other twenty three are all

2357
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:22,640
Speaker 6: NFL games in the highest rated things in sports so

2358
01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:25,240
Speaker 6: far in the year twenty twenty three.

2359
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:25,880
Speaker 2: No NBA.

2360
01:56:26,520 --> 01:56:29,680
Speaker 6: No, no, that's a definite end and an oh. In fact,

2361
01:56:29,960 --> 01:56:32,440
Speaker 6: you know how the Kentucky Derby does well all the time.

2362
01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:36,440
Speaker 6: Kentucky Derby has just missed the top twenty five. There

2363
01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:39,920
Speaker 6: was the Nuggets clincher was at least a million, million

2364
01:56:39,880 --> 01:56:43,120
Speaker 6: and a half viewers fewer than the Kentucky Derby, just

2365
01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:46,800
Speaker 6: by comparison. US women's soccer starts the World Cup this

2366
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:49,960
Speaker 6: Friday on Fox TV. Fox will have the men's Gold

2367
01:56:49,960 --> 01:56:52,920
Speaker 6: Cup Final, our regional Championship from the Rams Stadium in

2368
01:56:53,080 --> 01:56:58,000
Speaker 6: La tomorrow night in Mexico, playing against Jamaica against excuse me,

2369
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:00,720
Speaker 6: Mexico had beaten Jamaica in the semi five to advance,

2370
01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:04,120
Speaker 6: while the US lost on penalties in its semi against Panama.

2371
01:57:04,240 --> 01:57:06,280
Speaker 6: As far as the US women, they'll be playing all

2372
01:57:06,320 --> 01:57:09,280
Speaker 6: three of their group matches in New Zealand on Fox.

2373
01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:12,400
Speaker 6: The openers against Vietnam Friday night, a team that's never

2374
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:14,480
Speaker 6: been to the World Cup and has not ranked in

2375
01:57:14,520 --> 01:57:16,960
Speaker 6: the top twenty five, and the third of the three

2376
01:57:17,000 --> 01:57:19,800
Speaker 6: will be against Portugal not a top twenty team, but

2377
01:57:20,160 --> 01:57:22,160
Speaker 6: in the middle there they will play a top ten

2378
01:57:22,280 --> 01:57:24,840
Speaker 6: Netherlands squad. In fact, four years ago the final was

2379
01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:28,560
Speaker 6: the US beating Netherlands. US women soccer veteran defender Becky

2380
01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:32,000
Speaker 6: Souerbrunn is missing this World Cup foot injury. Four others

2381
01:57:32,040 --> 01:57:35,360
Speaker 6: from the team are also hurt. Mallory Swanson included with

2382
01:57:35,400 --> 01:57:37,840
Speaker 6: a knee infect She and her husband The Cupshorts Dot

2383
01:57:37,880 --> 01:57:40,360
Speaker 6: the x Brave both injured at the same time. At

2384
01:57:40,360 --> 01:57:42,400
Speaker 6: the moment, but the US women's record this year eight

2385
01:57:42,440 --> 01:57:46,320
Speaker 6: to zero so far outscoring opposition nineteen to one. It'll

2386
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:49,920
Speaker 6: get a little tougher and frankly, there are chinks in

2387
01:57:49,960 --> 01:57:54,560
Speaker 6: the armor for every contender, England, France, US, all of them.

2388
01:57:54,720 --> 01:57:55,000
Speaker 2: US.

2389
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:58,720
Speaker 6: I mentioned the injuries. Germany had a ridiculous loss in

2390
01:57:58,760 --> 01:58:01,280
Speaker 6: one of their tune up events heading down Under, so

2391
01:58:01,320 --> 01:58:04,240
Speaker 6: we'll see. WNBA All Star Game was in Vegas tonight.

2392
01:58:04,680 --> 01:58:07,840
Speaker 6: Game MVP Jewel Lloyd, attempting nearly every shot as a

2393
01:58:07,880 --> 01:58:11,080
Speaker 6: three pointer, had thirty one points tonight from three point

2394
01:58:11,240 --> 01:58:14,680
Speaker 6: range was ten of twenty one. Rihanna Stewart's team won

2395
01:58:14,720 --> 01:58:18,280
Speaker 6: one forty three to one twenty seven and in Vegas.

2396
01:58:18,320 --> 01:58:21,080
Speaker 6: The NBA's Summer League ends with the final on Monday.

2397
01:58:21,120 --> 01:58:26,320
Speaker 6: Most team's last game is tomorrow. I talked about Lebron James, Yes,

2398
01:58:26,720 --> 01:58:29,280
Speaker 6: his Laker jersey going back to number twenty three. That

2399
01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:32,640
Speaker 6: was the announcement Tonight. Men's final at Wimbledon is tomorrow

2400
01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:36,000
Speaker 6: nine am Eastern time. Number two Novak Djokovic going for

2401
01:58:36,040 --> 01:58:39,000
Speaker 6: another crown, as would ty Roger Fetter as Wimbledon mark

2402
01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:42,240
Speaker 6: of eight in his career. Number one Carlos Alcarez the

2403
01:58:42,480 --> 01:58:48,240
Speaker 6: opposition women's champion, the unknown Marquette van Drusiva, an unseeded player,

2404
01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:51,560
Speaker 6: a first to take the women's title. There A Jabour

2405
01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:54,240
Speaker 6: was the loser. She's lost three Grand Slam finals in

2406
01:58:54,320 --> 01:58:55,440
Speaker 6: roughly the last year.

2407
01:58:56,120 --> 01:58:59,040
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Steve desager to Saga will be

2408
01:58:59,080 --> 01:59:01,680
Speaker 2: with us for one more because we got one more hour.

2409
01:59:02,040 --> 01:59:03,920
Speaker 2: We are, of course taking you up until two am

2410
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:07,640
Speaker 2: Eastern time. Er tors Jason Martin here on Fox Sports Radio.

2411
01:59:07,720 --> 01:59:09,840
Speaker 2: Plenty still to come, by the way. We will talk

2412
01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:14,520
Speaker 2: revisit the the NFL, some conversations we had to lead

2413
01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:17,320
Speaker 2: the show, and of course Bernie Fraddo will join us.

2414
01:59:17,320 --> 01:59:20,760
Speaker 2: Bernie Fraddo has always got all sorts of good stuff. Eritors,

2415
01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:23,920
Speaker 2: Jason Martin. One hour left. This is Fox Sports. Are

2416
01:59:23,920 --> 01:59:29,680
Speaker 2: you welcome in? Everybody? Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday

2417
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Speaker 2: or Sunday, depending on where you're listening. Erin Torris, Jason

2418
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Speaker 2: should be. Jason Martin ertors taking you up until the

2423
01:59:51,640 --> 01:59:55,160
Speaker 2: top of the hour two am Eastern time, eleven Pacific.

2424
01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:58,600
Speaker 2: Bernie Fratto follows us, and of course Bernie Freddo will

2425
01:59:58,640 --> 02:00:01,640
Speaker 2: join us about twenty minutes now. All sorts of good

2426
02:00:01,680 --> 02:00:05,120
Speaker 2: stuff from Bernie coming up, Jason. We opened the show

2427
02:00:05,160 --> 02:00:09,720
Speaker 2: talking NFL, and I want to circle back because, as

2428
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:12,680
Speaker 2: crazy as it sounds, and it does sort of sound crazy,

2429
02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:17,880
Speaker 2: camps open up this week on Wednesday. First of all,

2430
02:00:17,960 --> 02:00:20,600
Speaker 2: before we get into all, doesn't it sound like I

2431
02:00:20,640 --> 02:00:23,240
Speaker 2: know what happens every year around this time. We shouldn't

2432
02:00:23,240 --> 02:00:25,160
Speaker 2: be shocked by the way the calendar works. It's the

2433
02:00:25,160 --> 02:00:28,480
Speaker 2: same every year. It still just does feel weird to

2434
02:00:28,520 --> 02:00:31,120
Speaker 2: think that players are reporting to training camp this week,

2435
02:00:31,160 --> 02:00:31,520
Speaker 2: does it not?

2436
02:00:34,040 --> 02:00:37,920
Speaker 3: It does feel pretty quick. Then you look up and

2437
02:00:37,960 --> 02:00:40,760
Speaker 3: you realize we're midway through July, and then it doesn't

2438
02:00:40,760 --> 02:00:42,680
Speaker 3: feel It just kind of feels like the year has

2439
02:00:42,720 --> 02:00:45,000
Speaker 3: gotten away a little bit. And I do think that

2440
02:00:45,640 --> 02:00:48,480
Speaker 3: week after week we find ourselves saying something to the

2441
02:00:48,520 --> 02:00:50,760
Speaker 3: extent of, man, we have a lot to talk about,

2442
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:52,560
Speaker 3: and we usually don't at this time of year. It's

2443
02:00:52,640 --> 02:00:57,000
Speaker 3: kind of been that way all year, and so I

2444
02:00:57,000 --> 02:00:59,320
Speaker 3: guess this is just the most recent example. It's like,

2445
02:00:59,600 --> 02:01:01,640
Speaker 3: we got a couple of weeks where not as much

2446
02:01:01,640 --> 02:01:04,320
Speaker 3: as happening after the All Star break, getting back to

2447
02:01:04,360 --> 02:01:06,240
Speaker 3: action in baseball, but there's still a lot of games

2448
02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:08,960
Speaker 3: left to be played. But now here comes camp before

2449
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:12,960
Speaker 3: not it, here comes preseason hard knocks. College football gets started.

2450
02:01:13,080 --> 02:01:15,560
Speaker 3: The Saturday night program becomes a blast for us, and

2451
02:01:15,600 --> 02:01:17,520
Speaker 3: it feels like it's a thirty minute program and we

2452
02:01:17,520 --> 02:01:19,200
Speaker 3: look up and it's done and we've been on for

2453
02:01:19,240 --> 02:01:21,880
Speaker 3: four hours, and so we're kind of getting to that

2454
02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:25,120
Speaker 3: spot where you know, the summer is just we're trying.

2455
02:01:25,200 --> 02:01:27,160
Speaker 3: You try to get through the summer as a sports

2456
02:01:27,200 --> 02:01:30,200
Speaker 3: fan to get to the fall again when everything is

2457
02:01:30,240 --> 02:01:32,880
Speaker 3: in action at the same time, and we're a lot

2458
02:01:33,000 --> 02:01:36,160
Speaker 3: closer to that. And maybe it's just as you get older,

2459
02:01:36,240 --> 02:01:38,920
Speaker 3: time starts to move a bit faster, and at least

2460
02:01:38,920 --> 02:01:40,640
Speaker 3: for me, it does feel like this has been a

2461
02:01:40,640 --> 02:01:41,680
Speaker 3: crazy fast summer.

2462
02:01:41,960 --> 02:01:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ryan follow referenced at forty nine he covers Alabama football.

2463
02:01:45,600 --> 02:01:48,120
Speaker 2: We had Ryan Fowler on earlier, forty nine days until

2464
02:01:48,160 --> 02:01:51,120
Speaker 2: Alabama opens its season. As the sager just said, we'll

2465
02:01:51,120 --> 02:01:55,080
Speaker 2: actually get games a week before. In week zero, Notre

2466
02:01:55,160 --> 02:01:58,200
Speaker 2: Dame Navy in Dublin will be the headliner. But that's

2467
02:01:58,280 --> 02:02:01,680
Speaker 2: forty two days away from right now. So college football

2468
02:02:01,720 --> 02:02:05,040
Speaker 2: is coming quick. The NFL not far behind. Big story

2469
02:02:05,080 --> 02:02:06,840
Speaker 2: this week, Jason, it is a few days old at

2470
02:02:06,840 --> 02:02:08,320
Speaker 2: this point. I know most of the guys and girls

2471
02:02:08,360 --> 02:02:11,000
Speaker 2: on this network have already discussed it. But let's circle back.

2472
02:02:12,040 --> 02:02:15,680
Speaker 2: You know Hard Knocks. So Hard Knocks is kind of

2473
02:02:15,720 --> 02:02:20,280
Speaker 2: an interesting program at an interesting inflection point in kind

2474
02:02:20,280 --> 02:02:23,720
Speaker 2: of the sports media ecosystem, right is that there's a

2475
02:02:23,840 --> 02:02:30,320
Speaker 2: million different behind the scenes shows and stories and documentaries

2476
02:02:30,360 --> 02:02:33,839
Speaker 2: in this and now you have teams producing video content

2477
02:02:33,880 --> 02:02:37,560
Speaker 2: every week. So what Hard Knocks is and what it was.

2478
02:02:38,840 --> 02:02:41,360
Speaker 2: I don't know that it quite resonates the way that

2479
02:02:41,400 --> 02:02:43,840
Speaker 2: it used to. But we did find out this week that,

2480
02:02:43,920 --> 02:02:45,960
Speaker 2: you know, listen, hard Knocks until further Notice is still

2481
02:02:45,960 --> 02:02:48,920
Speaker 2: on air. And I think what has become interesting over

2482
02:02:48,920 --> 02:02:51,120
Speaker 2: the last couple of years is that increasingly teams have

2483
02:02:51,160 --> 02:02:53,640
Speaker 2: wanted to do it less and less, but of course

2484
02:02:53,640 --> 02:02:56,640
Speaker 2: there are teams that, based on certain circumstances, can be

2485
02:02:56,720 --> 02:02:59,120
Speaker 2: forced to do hard knocks. We found out this week

2486
02:02:59,160 --> 02:03:01,160
Speaker 2: that it is going to be the New York Jets.

2487
02:03:01,560 --> 02:03:05,760
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, Sauce Gardner, Breise Hall coming back from injury,

2488
02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:10,360
Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson, Robert Sala. I'll say this, there's an interesting

2489
02:03:10,400 --> 02:03:13,640
Speaker 2: conversation about whether we should be doing hard knocks at all.

2490
02:03:14,160 --> 02:03:16,920
Speaker 2: But among the teams that they could have chose, I

2491
02:03:16,920 --> 02:03:19,680
Speaker 2: think I'd probably have this one pretty close to the top. Jason.

2492
02:03:19,720 --> 02:03:23,840
Speaker 2: I mean again, the personalities, kind of that win Now situation.

2493
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:26,360
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers in a new spot. He's trying to play

2494
02:03:26,360 --> 02:03:28,280
Speaker 2: it cool, He's trying to be the good guy, but

2495
02:03:28,360 --> 02:03:30,480
Speaker 2: we know deep down inside his patience is thin, and

2496
02:03:30,520 --> 02:03:34,400
Speaker 2: he like it is going to be fascinating to watch unfold.

2497
02:03:34,760 --> 02:03:36,280
Speaker 2: And I will say, I know, it's easy to bash

2498
02:03:36,320 --> 02:03:39,720
Speaker 2: Hard Knocks and you know, whatever, it's outdated, whatever, it's

2499
02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:41,800
Speaker 2: gonna be cool to get the behind the scenes stuff

2500
02:03:41,880 --> 02:03:44,240
Speaker 2: here over the next couple of weeks as training camp

2501
02:03:44,280 --> 02:03:44,720
Speaker 2: ramps up.

2502
02:03:46,360 --> 02:03:49,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no question about it, and there's no shortage

2503
02:03:49,160 --> 02:03:53,880
Speaker 3: of storylines and we already know, man, it's there's a

2504
02:03:53,920 --> 02:03:57,040
Speaker 3: lot coming. We discussed Hard Knocks and we basically said

2505
02:03:57,320 --> 02:04:00,040
Speaker 3: what everybody knows, which is it's not a thing that

2506
02:04:00,080 --> 02:04:02,640
Speaker 3: you really need right now. But at the same time,

2507
02:04:03,360 --> 02:04:05,080
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are going to be

2508
02:04:05,160 --> 02:04:07,640
Speaker 3: more interested in it because of the subject matter and

2509
02:04:07,680 --> 02:04:10,960
Speaker 3: because of the team that's involved and how much attention

2510
02:04:11,720 --> 02:04:14,560
Speaker 3: that franchise has gotten over the past few months. Even

2511
02:04:14,680 --> 02:04:17,680
Speaker 3: before we got to the spot where Aaron Rodgers landed

2512
02:04:17,720 --> 02:04:21,440
Speaker 3: with the Jets, we were talking about this. They were

2513
02:04:21,440 --> 02:04:23,440
Speaker 3: saying it was gonna get done, and we were wondering

2514
02:04:23,480 --> 02:04:25,720
Speaker 3: why it wasn't getting done and why was this taking

2515
02:04:25,760 --> 02:04:28,920
Speaker 3: so long? And then finally we got to you know,

2516
02:04:29,000 --> 02:04:33,400
Speaker 3: we got to some sense of a finish line. And

2517
02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:36,040
Speaker 3: now you've got that story, You've got the Green Bay story.

2518
02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:37,840
Speaker 3: I know in the coming weeks we can start to

2519
02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:41,080
Speaker 3: rattle off some of the big time storylines. That division

2520
02:04:41,080 --> 02:04:44,280
Speaker 3: as a whole is just loaded with them. Just think

2521
02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:47,320
Speaker 3: about the AFC East alone. You've got the Jets on

2522
02:04:47,400 --> 02:04:50,720
Speaker 3: hard knocks and everything that goes into that. You've got

2523
02:04:50,720 --> 02:04:53,240
Speaker 3: the Patriots and you have some reporting out there that

2524
02:04:53,280 --> 02:04:55,320
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick is in kind of a make it or

2525
02:04:55,320 --> 02:04:58,840
Speaker 3: break it year and the Jira Mayo might be his replacement.

2526
02:04:59,440 --> 02:05:05,000
Speaker 3: You've got the Bills and the kind of weird offseason

2527
02:05:05,080 --> 02:05:08,640
Speaker 3: that they've had after their unceremonious exit from the playoffs

2528
02:05:08,720 --> 02:05:13,560
Speaker 3: after being the favorites. And then I mean all four

2529
02:05:13,560 --> 02:05:16,760
Speaker 3: of the teams. There's just something there all across it.

2530
02:05:17,160 --> 02:05:21,320
Speaker 3: And that's just one division. The NFL's got storylines for days.

2531
02:05:21,920 --> 02:05:25,040
Speaker 3: There's an interesting crop of rookie quarterbacks this year, which

2532
02:05:25,160 --> 02:05:29,320
Speaker 3: wasn't the case really last year. And I think the

2533
02:05:29,440 --> 02:05:31,600
Speaker 3: NFL is in for a really big year in terms

2534
02:05:31,680 --> 02:05:34,760
Speaker 3: of interest level being as high as it's ever been.

2535
02:05:34,920 --> 02:05:37,360
Speaker 3: Because there's a lot of competitive teams in the AFC.

2536
02:05:37,680 --> 02:05:40,040
Speaker 3: We're trying to figure out who's going to actually show

2537
02:05:40,160 --> 02:05:43,520
Speaker 3: up an the NFC outside of Philadelphia and maybe San

2538
02:05:43,560 --> 02:05:47,240
Speaker 3: Francisco to challenge those two squads. And you're looking at

2539
02:05:47,440 --> 02:05:49,600
Speaker 3: is Russell Wilson going to have a great year this year.

2540
02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:51,360
Speaker 3: Is he going to have any kind of a comeback

2541
02:05:51,480 --> 02:05:54,720
Speaker 3: from what we saw last year? Who else is in

2542
02:05:54,760 --> 02:05:56,880
Speaker 3: one of those situations where if they don't get it

2543
02:05:56,920 --> 02:05:59,360
Speaker 3: done this year, we might have seen the last of them.

2544
02:05:59,480 --> 02:06:03,320
Speaker 3: I just think that we are rich in stories in

2545
02:06:03,400 --> 02:06:06,720
Speaker 3: college and pro football, and the idea that we're, you know,

2546
02:06:06,920 --> 02:06:09,960
Speaker 3: six weeks away from playing games, that the count is

2547
02:06:10,160 --> 02:06:11,600
Speaker 3: really really exciting.

2548
02:06:12,040 --> 02:06:14,720
Speaker 2: Tell you what, let's do it right now. Give me

2549
02:06:15,440 --> 02:06:17,080
Speaker 2: one story and I'll give you a second to think.

2550
02:06:17,080 --> 02:06:19,160
Speaker 2: I'll give you mine first. Give me one story that

2551
02:06:19,200 --> 02:06:21,800
Speaker 2: you're super fascinated by, and I'll go with mine first.

2552
02:06:21,880 --> 02:06:25,120
Speaker 2: And that's this. I think it's the Los Angeles Rams.

2553
02:06:25,360 --> 02:06:27,440
Speaker 2: And the reason I think it's the Los Angeles Rams

2554
02:06:27,920 --> 02:06:29,720
Speaker 2: is because I don't think they're gonna be fundamentally better

2555
02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:34,200
Speaker 2: than last year. And Matthew Stafford's getting older, elbow injury, whatever,

2556
02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:37,920
Speaker 2: you know, the way the salary cap is structure, they're

2557
02:06:37,960 --> 02:06:42,360
Speaker 2: still super top heavy. And you know, it's funny, and

2558
02:06:42,480 --> 02:06:44,600
Speaker 2: I'll ask you this, and I do want your you know,

2559
02:06:44,640 --> 02:06:48,280
Speaker 2: thing that you're looking forward to. But I think there's

2560
02:06:48,280 --> 02:06:51,920
Speaker 2: like an interesting thing going on with Sean McVay, where

2561
02:06:52,960 --> 02:06:56,400
Speaker 2: you know, he's already branding himself as almost like the

2562
02:06:56,400 --> 02:07:00,320
Speaker 2: the NFL Urban Meyer. Oh, nobody hates losing more than

2563
02:07:00,320 --> 02:07:02,400
Speaker 2: that gets now. Everybody hates losing. Like you don't get

2564
02:07:02,400 --> 02:07:05,560
Speaker 2: to the highest level if you can deal with or

2565
02:07:05,640 --> 02:07:09,839
Speaker 2: tolerate losing. And so to me, I think he's almost

2566
02:07:09,880 --> 02:07:15,320
Speaker 2: like sort of giving himself the runway to get out

2567
02:07:15,480 --> 02:07:18,080
Speaker 2: after this year. And I don't think it's like, I

2568
02:07:18,080 --> 02:07:20,920
Speaker 2: don't think it's gonna get fundamentally better. And I do

2569
02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:23,560
Speaker 2: think that, like I said, there's almost like a branding

2570
02:07:23,640 --> 02:07:27,120
Speaker 2: element to this of you have a second straight losing season,

2571
02:07:27,520 --> 02:07:30,520
Speaker 2: a second straight really really bad season post Super Bowl,

2572
02:07:31,680 --> 02:07:35,440
Speaker 2: and I do think like the luster wears off of

2573
02:07:35,480 --> 02:07:36,560
Speaker 2: you a little bit. And oh, by the way, and

2574
02:07:36,600 --> 02:07:38,120
Speaker 2: we've talked about this, I know you and I have

2575
02:07:38,480 --> 02:07:40,920
Speaker 2: is there's no like real escape clause for the Los

2576
02:07:40,960 --> 02:07:43,720
Speaker 2: Angeles Rams unless they're absolutely terrible and somehow lucky to

2577
02:07:43,800 --> 02:07:46,240
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams or maybe Drake may Like. The point I'm

2578
02:07:46,280 --> 02:07:48,440
Speaker 2: trying to make is like this is not a you know,

2579
02:07:48,440 --> 02:07:50,480
Speaker 2: there's a lot of teams that have a down year

2580
02:07:50,600 --> 02:07:52,560
Speaker 2: and you know you just need one or two things

2581
02:07:52,560 --> 02:07:54,480
Speaker 2: to go right and you're right back up top. I

2582
02:07:54,520 --> 02:07:57,600
Speaker 2: don't see that happening this year. And I really do think,

2583
02:07:57,640 --> 02:07:59,080
Speaker 2: like if I was a betting man, we had Ryan

2584
02:07:59,120 --> 02:08:01,440
Speaker 2: Fowler on earlier, who's about all of the hypothetical bets

2585
02:08:01,480 --> 02:08:04,080
Speaker 2: he wishes he could plays. I do think this is

2586
02:08:04,080 --> 02:08:06,000
Speaker 2: the last year for Sean McVay with the Rams. I

2587
02:08:06,040 --> 02:08:08,760
Speaker 2: just think they're not gonna be good, and he's gonna

2588
02:08:08,800 --> 02:08:10,880
Speaker 2: use it as an excuse of you know, I'm gonna

2589
02:08:10,920 --> 02:08:13,120
Speaker 2: go do something different for a while, and then almost

2590
02:08:13,160 --> 02:08:15,440
Speaker 2: like as Sean Payton Cherry picked the next job in

2591
02:08:15,520 --> 02:08:18,200
Speaker 2: a year or two or whatever it is. I don't

2592
02:08:18,200 --> 02:08:20,880
Speaker 2: think they're better. I think he's branding himself as the

2593
02:08:20,920 --> 02:08:23,800
Speaker 2: guy that just can't I can't handle losing, so I

2594
02:08:23,840 --> 02:08:25,680
Speaker 2: have to step away now. I think you know your

2595
02:08:25,680 --> 02:08:29,760
Speaker 2: team stinks. You capitalized in a moment two years ago.

2596
02:08:29,800 --> 02:08:33,240
Speaker 2: Good for you. That's my biggest storyline, or I will

2597
02:08:33,280 --> 02:08:35,880
Speaker 2: say biggest, but it's a storyline that I'm very intrigued

2598
02:08:35,920 --> 02:08:37,200
Speaker 2: by going into the year. Yeah.

2599
02:08:37,240 --> 02:08:39,440
Speaker 3: I mean, I said there's we could almost come up

2600
02:08:39,440 --> 02:08:41,720
Speaker 3: with one for almost every team in the league. I

2601
02:08:41,720 --> 02:08:45,200
Speaker 3: think that one we discussed earlier has to be near

2602
02:08:45,240 --> 02:08:47,320
Speaker 3: the top of my list, and that is what is

2603
02:08:47,400 --> 02:08:53,120
Speaker 3: Jordan love yep. I want to see this actually play out,

2604
02:08:53,280 --> 02:08:55,800
Speaker 3: so we don't have the speculation, so we don't have

2605
02:08:55,880 --> 02:09:00,160
Speaker 3: the incomplete progress support, so we actually know what this

2606
02:09:00,240 --> 02:09:03,240
Speaker 3: young man is and what he's going to be in

2607
02:09:03,280 --> 02:09:05,160
Speaker 3: the NFL. And I don't know that it's gonna be

2608
02:09:05,160 --> 02:09:07,040
Speaker 3: fair to look at it after a year, but I

2609
02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:08,680
Speaker 3: think after a year, we're gonna have a pretty good

2610
02:09:08,680 --> 02:09:11,240
Speaker 3: sense of whether or not Green Bay is looking for

2611
02:09:11,240 --> 02:09:14,120
Speaker 3: a quarterback pretty soon. If all of what we have

2612
02:09:14,400 --> 02:09:19,520
Speaker 3: been hearing this offseason is just not true, is smoking mirrors,

2613
02:09:19,960 --> 02:09:22,440
Speaker 3: it's trying to make them believe it because they don't

2614
02:09:22,480 --> 02:09:26,560
Speaker 3: believe it. Or if he's legit, and I think he's

2615
02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:29,440
Speaker 3: gonna get he's gonna get every opportunity to be that.

2616
02:09:29,600 --> 02:09:32,240
Speaker 3: And I think that his team's gonna play hard for him.

2617
02:09:32,600 --> 02:09:35,280
Speaker 3: I just have no idea what he's actually gonna do.

2618
02:09:35,320 --> 02:09:38,720
Speaker 3: And I think that's what makes it so fascinating is

2619
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:42,040
Speaker 3: it's a division they can certainly win because the Bears,

2620
02:09:42,080 --> 02:09:44,640
Speaker 3: even if they're better, they've still got some work that

2621
02:09:44,680 --> 02:09:47,920
Speaker 3: they need to do. I like Detroit right now in

2622
02:09:47,960 --> 02:09:50,920
Speaker 3: that division, and I don't see any reason why they're

2623
02:09:50,960 --> 02:09:53,520
Speaker 3: just gonna back completely off of what they were doing

2624
02:09:53,600 --> 02:09:55,720
Speaker 3: last year. I like the progress, and I don't see

2625
02:09:56,080 --> 02:09:59,040
Speaker 3: I didn't feel like that was a fluke. And then

2626
02:09:59,080 --> 02:10:02,360
Speaker 3: the Vikings, well you got Kirk Cousins saying I'm glad

2627
02:10:02,360 --> 02:10:04,880
Speaker 3: he's honest, justin Jefferson saying that he's not one of

2628
02:10:04,920 --> 02:10:08,080
Speaker 3: the top five quarterbacks in the NFL. But I still

2629
02:10:08,120 --> 02:10:12,080
Speaker 3: don't think they've addressed their defensive issues enough to feel

2630
02:10:12,080 --> 02:10:14,720
Speaker 3: particularly confident about them. And the season they had last

2631
02:10:14,760 --> 02:10:17,120
Speaker 3: year is just simply not something you're going to replicate.

2632
02:10:17,680 --> 02:10:19,920
Speaker 3: The luck that they found and the way that they

2633
02:10:20,200 --> 02:10:22,520
Speaker 3: know the negative point differential and still winning, I just

2634
02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:25,200
Speaker 3: don't see it. So the question is is Jordan Love

2635
02:10:25,240 --> 02:10:28,560
Speaker 3: a quarterback capable enough and is he is he going

2636
02:10:28,600 --> 02:10:31,800
Speaker 3: to actually help them win that division in their first

2637
02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:35,360
Speaker 3: true season with that Aaron Rodgers and that, to me

2638
02:10:35,600 --> 02:10:39,920
Speaker 3: is that is fascinating because it has so many layers

2639
02:10:39,960 --> 02:10:42,600
Speaker 3: as to could they have pulled this move a couple

2640
02:10:42,600 --> 02:10:44,680
Speaker 3: of years ago. If Jordan Love turns out to be

2641
02:10:44,720 --> 02:10:46,600
Speaker 3: the guy and gotten out from underneath some of this

2642
02:10:46,720 --> 02:10:49,839
Speaker 3: drama that didn't let them much in terms of playoff

2643
02:10:49,880 --> 02:10:54,560
Speaker 3: wins or did they let Aaron Rodgers pretty much hold

2644
02:10:54,600 --> 02:10:57,440
Speaker 3: their organization hostage for an extra few years because they

2645
02:10:57,520 --> 02:10:58,880
Speaker 3: knew they had nothing behind him.

2646
02:10:59,000 --> 02:11:00,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think what was interesting about Green Bay

2647
02:11:00,680 --> 02:11:03,000
Speaker 2: as well is that, you know, kind of what we

2648
02:11:03,000 --> 02:11:05,840
Speaker 2: were talking about a minute ago with the Rams, is

2649
02:11:05,880 --> 02:11:09,840
Speaker 2: that that's an organization that's used to winning. I mean,

2650
02:11:09,960 --> 02:11:13,320
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think that Mark Murphy. First of all,

2651
02:11:13,360 --> 02:11:17,120
Speaker 2: the roster is not built for a rebuild. You know,

2652
02:11:17,160 --> 02:11:19,160
Speaker 2: this isn't the Carolina Panthers tear it down and build

2653
02:11:19,160 --> 02:11:22,120
Speaker 2: it back up. Matt Lafleur has done nothing but when

2654
02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:23,960
Speaker 2: since he got to the NFL. Is that him is

2655
02:11:23,960 --> 02:11:26,360
Speaker 2: at Aaron Rodgers. We'll figure it out this year. But

2656
02:11:26,480 --> 02:11:28,720
Speaker 2: that guy's want at a high level. Mark Murphy's been

2657
02:11:28,720 --> 02:11:30,920
Speaker 2: around forever. He's used to winning at a high level

2658
02:11:30,960 --> 02:11:33,760
Speaker 2: pretty much since he has gotten there. And like I

2659
02:11:33,840 --> 02:11:36,680
Speaker 2: do think, because it's year four, I think the leasha

2660
02:11:36,720 --> 02:11:40,640
Speaker 2: is gonna be not really short, but pseudo short. And

2661
02:11:40,680 --> 02:11:43,640
Speaker 2: I don't think this is like you get.

2662
02:11:44,120 --> 02:11:44,400
Speaker 3: I don't.

2663
02:11:44,440 --> 02:11:46,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you probably get year two even

2664
02:11:46,280 --> 02:11:48,640
Speaker 2: if it's a disaster, but you don't get very much

2665
02:11:48,640 --> 02:11:51,040
Speaker 2: more than that. And I will say, I think it's interesting,

2666
02:11:51,600 --> 02:11:53,120
Speaker 2: and I do think, you know, as ironic because we

2667
02:11:53,120 --> 02:11:56,000
Speaker 2: talked a little bit about Andrew Luck today, but it

2668
02:11:56,040 --> 02:11:58,880
Speaker 2: almost reminds me of Indianapolis, which is is when you

2669
02:11:58,960 --> 02:12:01,960
Speaker 2: get a level quarterback play. And this was why I

2670
02:12:02,040 --> 02:12:04,640
Speaker 2: was anti trading Aaron Rodgers. I said, for all the

2671
02:12:04,640 --> 02:12:08,320
Speaker 2: criticism or all the frustration that that comes with Aaron Rodgers,

2672
02:12:08,760 --> 02:12:10,480
Speaker 2: you go to the you go to the you go

2673
02:12:10,520 --> 02:12:13,400
Speaker 2: to the stadium every week knowing you probably have the

2674
02:12:13,400 --> 02:12:16,680
Speaker 2: better dude on yours at the most important position. And

2675
02:12:16,720 --> 02:12:19,280
Speaker 2: it's like, ask the Indianapolis colts what it's like in

2676
02:12:19,320 --> 02:12:21,879
Speaker 2: the post Andrew Luck world, and the Andrew Luck conversation

2677
02:12:21,920 --> 02:12:25,000
Speaker 2: will say for another day, but like, you know, asked

2678
02:12:25,000 --> 02:12:27,040
Speaker 2: the Indianapolis colts what it's like. Is there, I think

2679
02:12:27,120 --> 02:12:29,760
Speaker 2: is their fifth quarterback in five years that they're trying

2680
02:12:29,760 --> 02:12:32,480
Speaker 2: now with Anthony Richardson and with the Green Bay Packers,

2681
02:12:32,520 --> 02:12:35,160
Speaker 2: like that roster's kind of built to win right now, Jason,

2682
02:12:35,240 --> 02:12:36,440
Speaker 2: and I don't know if you have anything else to

2683
02:12:36,440 --> 02:12:38,680
Speaker 2: add beyond that, but like it's built to win right now.

2684
02:12:38,960 --> 02:12:41,120
Speaker 2: And because of that, I don't think patience is going

2685
02:12:41,160 --> 02:12:44,680
Speaker 2: to be particularly long standing. If if Jordan Love isn't

2686
02:12:44,720 --> 02:12:45,000
Speaker 2: the guy.

2687
02:12:45,240 --> 02:12:47,360
Speaker 3: No, he's not gonna be there for five years. If

2688
02:12:47,360 --> 02:12:49,880
Speaker 3: he's not good after two, I do think you'd probably

2689
02:12:49,880 --> 02:12:52,080
Speaker 3: give him a second year. But you're already looking over

2690
02:12:52,160 --> 02:12:54,880
Speaker 3: your shoulder to see if there's somebody else out there.

2691
02:12:56,400 --> 02:12:59,040
Speaker 3: If you're one goes poorly, I'll throw one more to

2692
02:12:59,160 --> 02:13:04,400
Speaker 3: you real quickly, and it's another quarterback. Dude got his money.

2693
02:13:04,640 --> 02:13:06,720
Speaker 3: That story didn't see Mike was ever going to go away.

2694
02:13:06,840 --> 02:13:11,840
Speaker 3: It finally did Lamar. Now that Lamar's got the money,

2695
02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:14,840
Speaker 3: they've got a little bit of receiving talent there, but

2696
02:13:14,880 --> 02:13:19,320
Speaker 3: they actually got rid of their oc Greg Roman, and

2697
02:13:19,360 --> 02:13:22,520
Speaker 3: it looks like Lamar's going to be more able to

2698
02:13:22,640 --> 02:13:26,040
Speaker 3: do the things he says he's ready to do and

2699
02:13:26,200 --> 02:13:30,280
Speaker 3: step into that role as a passer that's more free.

2700
02:13:30,960 --> 02:13:34,640
Speaker 3: I want to see what happens now, because at this stage,

2701
02:13:35,000 --> 02:13:38,280
Speaker 3: I've seen him hurt a lot, and I have seen

2702
02:13:38,400 --> 02:13:40,560
Speaker 3: a lot of talent not want to go there. And

2703
02:13:40,640 --> 02:13:43,120
Speaker 3: the question was that a Roman thing or Lamar thing?

2704
02:13:43,200 --> 02:13:46,080
Speaker 3: I tend to think it was Roman thing. And I

2705
02:13:46,120 --> 02:13:48,520
Speaker 3: am fairly optimistic about the Ravens this year, but I

2706
02:13:48,520 --> 02:13:51,000
Speaker 3: am fascinated to watch that as well, because now that

2707
02:13:51,080 --> 02:13:53,480
Speaker 3: he's gotten what he asked for and we've gotten through

2708
02:13:53,520 --> 02:13:56,840
Speaker 3: the tumult of the offseason and the is he still

2709
02:13:56,840 --> 02:13:59,320
Speaker 3: going to be there? He has to be traded, he

2710
02:13:59,360 --> 02:14:01,720
Speaker 3: gets his all of that kind of stuff, like, now

2711
02:14:01,760 --> 02:14:04,560
Speaker 3: that that's there, now he's got to go play football

2712
02:14:04,640 --> 02:14:07,480
Speaker 3: and he's got to do it in the playoffs. And

2713
02:14:08,240 --> 02:14:10,760
Speaker 3: we're not gonna know whether or not that's gonna happen

2714
02:14:10,840 --> 02:14:12,960
Speaker 3: until the end of the year. But this is a

2715
02:14:13,000 --> 02:14:16,600
Speaker 3: big year for Lamar Jackson, who you know. At this point,

2716
02:14:16,680 --> 02:14:19,040
Speaker 3: we are definitely in that spot where it's time to

2717
02:14:19,080 --> 02:14:20,800
Speaker 3: take the next step in the postseason.

2718
02:14:21,640 --> 02:14:24,400
Speaker 2: As you said, Jason, there's pretty much a narrative for

2719
02:14:24,440 --> 02:14:25,120
Speaker 2: pretty much effort.

2720
02:14:25,080 --> 02:14:27,040
Speaker 3: It's gonna be great. Yeah, it's gonna be great.

2721
02:14:27,160 --> 02:14:29,280
Speaker 2: And it's gonna be great because as I said, listen,

2722
02:14:29,320 --> 02:14:32,920
Speaker 2: I I know that sometimes I can be anti negative NBA.

2723
02:14:33,440 --> 02:14:35,720
Speaker 2: I do love hoops. It's been fun to really ramp

2724
02:14:35,800 --> 02:14:39,920
Speaker 2: up between March Madness, NBA Playoffs, Draft, when Benyama, Summer League, whatever.

2725
02:14:40,480 --> 02:14:42,720
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2732
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Speaker 2: stuff to talk about, as well as plenty more from

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Speaker 2: across the world of sports. Bernie Fratto joins us next,

2734
02:15:07,160 --> 02:15:19,200
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Eric Torres,

2735
02:15:19,280 --> 02:15:24,200
Speaker 2: Jason Martin broadcasting live fromdtirereck dot com studios. And when

2736
02:15:24,280 --> 02:15:28,120
Speaker 2: you hear that sound, when you hear Viva Las Vegas,

2737
02:15:28,160 --> 02:15:30,080
Speaker 2: it means it is time to go out to Vegas.

2738
02:15:30,520 --> 02:15:33,360
Speaker 2: Joining us now from Vegas Bernie Fratdo of the Bernie

2739
02:15:33,360 --> 02:15:35,280
Speaker 2: Frado Show. You can hear him at the top of

2740
02:15:35,320 --> 02:15:37,720
Speaker 2: the hour, but of course you can also hear him

2741
02:15:37,720 --> 02:15:39,640
Speaker 2: with us right now. Bernie, what's going on man? How

2742
02:15:39,680 --> 02:15:40,000
Speaker 2: you doing?

2743
02:15:40,160 --> 02:15:40,560
Speaker 3: Gentlemen?

2744
02:15:40,680 --> 02:15:43,480
Speaker 11: Welcome to Vegas one hundred and fifteen degrees today.

2745
02:15:44,760 --> 02:15:47,080
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question, bern real quick. So

2746
02:15:47,160 --> 02:15:49,400
Speaker 2: I was thinking about you this week. You know, Vegas

2747
02:15:49,400 --> 02:15:51,600
Speaker 2: has kind of been the epicenter of sports this week

2748
02:15:52,160 --> 02:15:57,280
Speaker 2: at Summer League WNBA All Star Game today. It feels

2749
02:15:57,440 --> 02:15:59,640
Speaker 2: like and by the way, tell me if I'm totally wrong,

2750
02:16:00,080 --> 02:16:02,720
Speaker 2: it feels like the A stuff has been a little

2751
02:16:02,840 --> 02:16:05,400
Speaker 2: quiet now. I know Manford talked about it at All

2752
02:16:05,480 --> 02:16:08,440
Speaker 2: Star weekend and basically said, you know, we have to

2753
02:16:08,440 --> 02:16:11,080
Speaker 2: figure out the A situation, the race situation, then then

2754
02:16:11,200 --> 02:16:14,320
Speaker 2: we want to expand. But is there any movement in

2755
02:16:14,440 --> 02:16:16,880
Speaker 2: Vegas as far as the ASER is concerned over the

2756
02:16:16,920 --> 02:16:17,839
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks.

2757
02:16:17,680 --> 02:16:22,680
Speaker 11: Well, there certainly is behind the scenes. Obviously, there's protocols here. Uh,

2758
02:16:22,920 --> 02:16:26,200
Speaker 11: this move has to be ratified by the league. Seventy

2759
02:16:26,200 --> 02:16:28,480
Speaker 11: five percent of the owners and Ye's are preparing their

2760
02:16:28,520 --> 02:16:32,240
Speaker 11: case and they very much have the support of the commissioner.

2761
02:16:32,360 --> 02:16:35,920
Speaker 11: And there are multiple other you know, peccadillos that need

2762
02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:38,480
Speaker 11: to be you know, i's dotted and teased, crossed before

2763
02:16:38,520 --> 02:16:40,760
Speaker 11: you get a shovel in the ground. So it feels

2764
02:16:40,800 --> 02:16:43,879
Speaker 11: like it's gone little radio silent. But once the State

2765
02:16:43,920 --> 02:16:48,000
Speaker 11: Assembly approved it and Governor Lombardo put pen to paper,

2766
02:16:48,680 --> 02:16:52,200
Speaker 11: barring something completely unforeseen like John Fisher is selling the team,

2767
02:16:52,400 --> 02:16:55,560
Speaker 11: They're gonna They're they're coming, Bernie.

2768
02:16:56,240 --> 02:16:58,880
Speaker 3: Some we have not talked about tonight, which I think

2769
02:16:58,920 --> 02:17:01,119
Speaker 3: in some weeks we may have, but we ended up

2770
02:17:01,160 --> 02:17:04,840
Speaker 3: just kind of getting caught on some bigger stories. But you,

2771
02:17:05,000 --> 02:17:08,200
Speaker 3: being as plugged in as you are to the Midwest

2772
02:17:08,240 --> 02:17:12,760
Speaker 3: and certainly to the Big Ten, how stunning, in your

2773
02:17:12,800 --> 02:17:17,000
Speaker 3: opinion is what happened at Northwestern with Pat Fitzgerald, who

2774
02:17:17,040 --> 02:17:20,360
Speaker 3: just seemed like he was above reproach. And now all

2775
02:17:20,360 --> 02:17:22,360
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you want to talk about a fall

2776
02:17:22,400 --> 02:17:25,680
Speaker 3: from grace that no one, at least no one I

2777
02:17:25,760 --> 02:17:28,760
Speaker 3: knew saw coming. This Northwestern story floored all of us.

2778
02:17:29,800 --> 02:17:31,720
Speaker 11: I'm in agreement with all that, and it kind of

2779
02:17:31,760 --> 02:17:34,920
Speaker 11: went from zero to one hundred fairly quickly. We come

2780
02:17:34,959 --> 02:17:39,400
Speaker 11: to find out that the investigation and findings started last

2781
02:17:40,200 --> 02:17:43,119
Speaker 11: Thanksgiving and it picked up steam, and the student newspaper

2782
02:17:43,160 --> 02:17:45,720
Speaker 11: did a lot of intrepid reporting, and there were whistleblowers

2783
02:17:46,120 --> 02:17:48,960
Speaker 11: and ex players and current players, and there was sort

2784
02:17:48,959 --> 02:17:52,840
Speaker 11: of this cloak and dagger aura of silence around the program.

2785
02:17:52,879 --> 02:17:56,040
Speaker 11: And some of the rituals they did are pretty egregious.

2786
02:17:56,520 --> 02:18:00,280
Speaker 11: But you know, Pat Fitzgerald, I agree with your choice

2787
02:18:00,320 --> 02:18:04,600
Speaker 11: of wards, Jason, because Pat Fitzgerald is extricably linked to

2788
02:18:04,800 --> 02:18:07,840
Speaker 11: Northwestern football in a way that almost northern coach can be,

2789
02:18:08,280 --> 02:18:11,040
Speaker 11: not even Nick Saban at Alabama because Saban didn't play

2790
02:18:11,080 --> 02:18:14,800
Speaker 11: at Alabama, Dabbo Swinty didn't play at Clemson. You get

2791
02:18:14,800 --> 02:18:18,440
Speaker 11: the picture. Best player in the school's history, back to

2792
02:18:18,520 --> 02:18:22,280
Speaker 11: back teams in the mid nineties, defensive player of the year,

2793
02:18:22,440 --> 02:18:24,240
Speaker 11: he took him to a Rose Bowl. You get the picture.

2794
02:18:24,360 --> 02:18:27,760
Speaker 11: Been the coach for seventeen years and they've had good

2795
02:18:27,800 --> 02:18:32,560
Speaker 11: success under Pat Fitzgerald. They just extended him two years

2796
02:18:32,560 --> 02:18:34,880
Speaker 11: ago to a pretty lucrative contract. I think he's still

2797
02:18:34,879 --> 02:18:38,400
Speaker 11: about fifty six million dollars. So when you go from

2798
02:18:39,000 --> 02:18:42,680
Speaker 11: the allegations to this phony maloney two weeks suspension, then

2799
02:18:42,680 --> 02:18:45,320
Speaker 11: two days later he's fired, it feels like this book's

2800
02:18:45,360 --> 02:18:48,960
Speaker 11: missing a chapter. So yes, it's a shocking ordeal all

2801
02:18:49,000 --> 02:18:53,119
Speaker 11: the way around, especially when you consider taking place at Northwestern,

2802
02:18:53,160 --> 02:18:56,240
Speaker 11: one of the most prestigious schools in the country, certainly

2803
02:18:56,280 --> 02:18:59,520
Speaker 11: academically athletically as well. And if you've ever been to

2804
02:18:59,520 --> 02:19:02,280
Speaker 11: North Chica there where it's sits in evidence near the water,

2805
02:19:02,760 --> 02:19:05,720
Speaker 11: it's it's an incredible list, you know, it's it's an

2806
02:19:05,760 --> 02:19:06,480
Speaker 11: incredible area.

2807
02:19:07,040 --> 02:19:08,880
Speaker 2: It's a story we probably should have hit on Jason,

2808
02:19:08,879 --> 02:19:11,160
Speaker 2: that's my bad, as you know, your co host, for

2809
02:19:11,240 --> 02:19:15,280
Speaker 2: not bringing it up earlier. Burn Obviously, NFL season's ramping up,

2810
02:19:15,680 --> 02:19:17,560
Speaker 2: and I know it's kind of been a talking point

2811
02:19:17,720 --> 02:19:19,760
Speaker 2: just you know, in circles in the lead up to

2812
02:19:19,800 --> 02:19:23,200
Speaker 2: the season. The continued conversation about the running back position.

2813
02:19:23,800 --> 02:19:26,520
Speaker 2: Austin Eckler had some comments, et cetera. Where do you

2814
02:19:26,560 --> 02:19:27,640
Speaker 2: stand on this whole topic.

2815
02:19:27,959 --> 02:19:30,760
Speaker 11: Yeah, this is uh, this is a little cringey to me.

2816
02:19:30,840 --> 02:19:33,840
Speaker 11: I'll tell you why. There are two reasons why the

2817
02:19:33,959 --> 02:19:38,959
Speaker 11: running back position. I won't say that it's been devalued

2818
02:19:39,080 --> 02:19:41,160
Speaker 11: or that these guys are replaceable. My word is that

2819
02:19:41,200 --> 02:19:45,240
Speaker 11: they're interchangeable. And it's it's not that hard to see why.

2820
02:19:45,440 --> 02:19:46,000
Speaker 1: Number One.

2821
02:19:46,680 --> 02:19:49,320
Speaker 11: The you know, due to the evolution of athletes and

2822
02:19:49,400 --> 02:19:53,440
Speaker 11: creative offenses, the game's basically become basketball on turf. You

2823
02:19:53,480 --> 02:19:56,000
Speaker 11: put your athletes in space to make a play, You

2824
02:19:56,080 --> 02:19:58,480
Speaker 11: spread the field, you win your one on one battles.

2825
02:19:58,879 --> 02:20:02,680
Speaker 11: At such, quarterback has now become even more ultra important

2826
02:20:02,720 --> 02:20:05,920
Speaker 11: than ever. The game is completely quarterback centric. You play

2827
02:20:05,959 --> 02:20:09,440
Speaker 11: your offense to the quarterback. Take Buffalo, their whole offense

2828
02:20:09,879 --> 02:20:13,160
Speaker 11: goes through Josh Allen. Yes, Devin Singletary was a nice

2829
02:20:13,200 --> 02:20:16,080
Speaker 11: piece last year. He's gone now the draft James Cook,

2830
02:20:16,160 --> 02:20:18,240
Speaker 11: but he's not going to be a heavy volume back.

2831
02:20:18,680 --> 02:20:21,120
Speaker 11: The second part of it is you truly have a

2832
02:20:21,160 --> 02:20:24,800
Speaker 11: supplying demand issue. There are simply more running backs that

2833
02:20:24,879 --> 02:20:28,320
Speaker 11: can do this job than jobs available. You know, not

2834
02:20:28,480 --> 02:20:31,320
Speaker 11: lost on me. In the draft last year twenty twenty two,

2835
02:20:31,840 --> 02:20:35,240
Speaker 11: there were two hundred and fifty players picked before Isaiah Pacheco,

2836
02:20:35,680 --> 02:20:39,080
Speaker 11: an unknown guy out of Rutgers seventh round. That didn't

2837
02:20:39,120 --> 02:20:42,640
Speaker 11: stop Isaiah Pachecko from being the leading rusher in the

2838
02:20:42,680 --> 02:20:46,119
Speaker 11: Super Bowl. So you've got a supplying demand issue where

2839
02:20:46,120 --> 02:20:49,080
Speaker 11: these guys truly are interchangeable, and if you lose an

2840
02:20:49,080 --> 02:20:53,400
Speaker 11: elite receiver, much more difficult to change. Same with the quarterback,

2841
02:20:53,440 --> 02:20:56,320
Speaker 11: Same with an edge rusher running back. It's been proven

2842
02:20:56,400 --> 02:20:58,720
Speaker 11: not so much. And by the way, here's where it's

2843
02:20:58,720 --> 02:21:01,520
Speaker 11: cringey for me. I don't really think you have to

2844
02:21:01,560 --> 02:21:03,800
Speaker 11: take up a collection plate for these guys. Let's give

2845
02:21:03,840 --> 02:21:08,360
Speaker 11: this some perspective. Even if Saquon Barkley is forced to

2846
02:21:08,480 --> 02:21:12,160
Speaker 11: play under the franchise tag this year, even though he's

2847
02:21:12,200 --> 02:21:14,960
Speaker 11: been dangled three years, thirty nine million hasn't said Yes,

2848
02:21:15,560 --> 02:21:18,040
Speaker 11: he'll have earned forty one million, one hundred and ninety

2849
02:21:18,080 --> 02:21:21,760
Speaker 11: four thousand dollars in his career. Dalvin Cook another guy

2850
02:21:21,840 --> 02:21:25,000
Speaker 11: who's supposedly on the breadline, he will have earned thirty

2851
02:21:25,080 --> 02:21:28,240
Speaker 11: nine million, one hundred and twenty five thousand in his career,

2852
02:21:28,480 --> 02:21:32,879
Speaker 11: even though he he hasn't signed yet. This year, Ezekiel

2853
02:21:32,879 --> 02:21:35,440
Speaker 11: Elliott and the three of them have combined to win

2854
02:21:35,440 --> 02:21:37,880
Speaker 11: as many Super Bowls as you and I have seventy

2855
02:21:37,879 --> 02:21:40,920
Speaker 11: one million dollars Ezekiel Elliott has made in his career.

2856
02:21:41,320 --> 02:21:44,240
Speaker 11: Add the three up. Oh nothing heard about one hundred

2857
02:21:44,240 --> 02:21:46,800
Speaker 11: and sixty million dollars. So are we really supposed to

2858
02:21:46,879 --> 02:21:49,800
Speaker 11: feel sorry for these guys? This is a business. I

2859
02:21:49,959 --> 02:21:52,879
Speaker 11: get it. The numbers don't lie. In the last six years,

2860
02:21:53,360 --> 02:21:57,320
Speaker 11: the salary on the aggregate has trended downward slightly. But

2861
02:21:57,400 --> 02:21:59,560
Speaker 11: I think it's a gross over reaction and the game

2862
02:21:59,600 --> 02:22:00,680
Speaker 11: has seen evolved.

2863
02:22:01,400 --> 02:22:05,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's well said. Also, you tell me, Bernie,

2864
02:22:05,040 --> 02:22:07,600
Speaker 3: but it seems like to me that a lot of

2865
02:22:07,640 --> 02:22:11,080
Speaker 3: the teams that paid running backs big time money on

2866
02:22:11,959 --> 02:22:14,640
Speaker 3: and tried to keep them in town on big contracts,

2867
02:22:14,720 --> 02:22:17,680
Speaker 3: it just didn't work out. And I think there's more

2868
02:22:17,760 --> 02:22:21,680
Speaker 3: failures than there are success stories, and that probably becomes

2869
02:22:21,760 --> 02:22:24,920
Speaker 3: kind of a trend that other franchises around the league

2870
02:22:24,959 --> 02:22:26,720
Speaker 3: look at and say, do we want to be the

2871
02:22:26,760 --> 02:22:29,640
Speaker 3: next team that pays Todd Gurley? Do we want to

2872
02:22:29,640 --> 02:22:33,160
Speaker 3: be the next team that pays Ezekiel Elliott and ends

2873
02:22:33,240 --> 02:22:35,240
Speaker 3: up paying the price for it after the fact. It

2874
02:22:35,400 --> 02:22:37,760
Speaker 3: just it doesn't seem to be a smart business strategy.

2875
02:22:37,760 --> 02:22:40,199
Speaker 3: It feels like the percentage chance that you find somebody

2876
02:22:40,240 --> 02:22:43,000
Speaker 3: that can come close to the same numbers as that

2877
02:22:43,080 --> 02:22:46,480
Speaker 3: guy that you paid less is more the play.

2878
02:22:46,760 --> 02:22:49,279
Speaker 11: Spot on and I think Todd Gurley is, in fact,

2879
02:22:49,640 --> 02:22:53,400
Speaker 11: to post your child exclamation point for this entire conversation,

2880
02:22:53,560 --> 02:22:54,200
Speaker 11: I agree with you.

2881
02:22:54,920 --> 02:22:57,360
Speaker 2: He is Bernie Fratto cat listen to him at the

2882
02:22:57,360 --> 02:23:01,039
Speaker 2: top of the hour the Bernie Frado Show. He will

2883
02:23:01,080 --> 02:23:03,040
Speaker 2: be taking you up until six a m. Eastern time.

2884
02:23:03,120 --> 02:23:05,560
Speaker 2: Bernie Man, we very much appreciate the time and we

2885
02:23:05,600 --> 02:23:07,640
Speaker 2: will be listening to you at the top of the hour.

2886
02:23:08,040 --> 02:23:10,040
Speaker 11: Thanks guys, I always appreciate And by the way, if

2887
02:23:10,040 --> 02:23:11,920
Speaker 11: you could do some research, if you could find out

2888
02:23:12,480 --> 02:23:16,600
Speaker 11: has Andrew luck ever won an sp is he ever

2889
02:23:16,600 --> 02:23:18,400
Speaker 11: going to? Because you know, if if you win an

2890
02:23:18,480 --> 02:23:21,119
Speaker 11: NFL MVP or a Super Bowl or a Nobel Prize,

2891
02:23:21,120 --> 02:23:22,680
Speaker 11: that's no big deal. But if you win an SB

2892
02:23:23,600 --> 02:23:24,680
Speaker 11: I think you beat in the Hall of Fame.

2893
02:23:24,760 --> 02:23:28,760
Speaker 2: Don't get man whispers are that Sometimes they just hand

2894
02:23:28,800 --> 02:23:29,720
Speaker 2: out that Courage Award.

2895
02:23:29,959 --> 02:23:33,160
Speaker 11: I ran, oh my god when they when the soccer

2896
02:23:33,200 --> 02:23:35,720
Speaker 11: team won the Courage Award for fighting for more pay.

2897
02:23:35,959 --> 02:23:39,640
Speaker 11: I just completely destroyed a box of Kleenex. Thanks for

2898
02:23:39,640 --> 02:23:40,280
Speaker 11: having me, guys.

2899
02:23:41,920 --> 02:23:45,200
Speaker 2: That's Bertie Proud of the Bernie Frado Show. Destroyed a

2900
02:23:45,240 --> 02:23:48,560
Speaker 2: box of Kleenex. That was good. All right, Uh, we'll

2901
02:23:48,560 --> 02:23:51,280
Speaker 2: wrap the show here, Jason here momentarily, I want to

2902
02:23:51,280 --> 02:23:53,039
Speaker 2: react to some of the stuff that Bernie said. Also

2903
02:23:53,760 --> 02:23:55,360
Speaker 2: very messy.

2904
02:23:55,440 --> 02:23:56,000
Speaker 3: What what what?

2905
02:23:56,120 --> 02:23:58,119
Speaker 2: What was MESSI up to this week. We're gonna discuss

2906
02:23:58,160 --> 02:24:01,400
Speaker 2: all that next. Before we do though, news Sega and

2907
02:24:01,600 --> 02:24:02,080
Speaker 2: how do you do?

2908
02:24:02,200 --> 02:24:04,520
Speaker 6: Let's get to the baseball. In the wild Game to

2909
02:24:04,600 --> 02:24:07,760
Speaker 6: finish off the schedule in Anaheim, the Angels had lost

2910
02:24:07,800 --> 02:24:09,520
Speaker 6: six in a row, but they came back for a

2911
02:24:09,640 --> 02:24:14,360
Speaker 6: thirteen to twelve win over Houston in ten innings. Show

2912
02:24:14,400 --> 02:24:16,760
Speaker 6: heey Otani, with his thirty third homer, is part of

2913
02:24:16,800 --> 02:24:19,760
Speaker 6: a three run bottom of the ninth and this is

2914
02:24:19,800 --> 02:24:23,520
Speaker 6: how rare at first time since nineteen thirty, according to Stad,

2915
02:24:23,600 --> 02:24:27,320
Speaker 6: saying that the Angels what they did tonight occurred down

2916
02:24:27,480 --> 02:24:31,199
Speaker 6: six in the seventh inning, ear later erase that deficit,

2917
02:24:31,360 --> 02:24:34,560
Speaker 6: fall behind again by at least three and still win

2918
02:24:34,640 --> 02:24:37,640
Speaker 6: the game. The game winning run scored on a throwing air.

2919
02:24:37,959 --> 02:24:40,800
Speaker 6: Detroit won six to nothing at Seattle, holding the Mariners

2920
02:24:40,800 --> 02:24:43,520
Speaker 6: offense to three hits. Yankees got an early three run

2921
02:24:43,560 --> 02:24:46,720
Speaker 6: homer from Juncarlo Stanton won six to three at Colorado.

2922
02:24:47,000 --> 02:24:49,880
Speaker 6: Milwaukee's alone and first in the NL Central. After a

2923
02:24:49,920 --> 02:24:53,119
Speaker 6: three to nothing win at Cincinnati, Minnesota is the first

2924
02:24:53,120 --> 02:24:55,920
Speaker 6: place team in the AL Central. Twins won at Oakland

2925
02:24:56,000 --> 02:24:58,200
Speaker 6: ten to seven. A's have lost six in a row.

2926
02:24:58,560 --> 02:25:02,760
Speaker 6: Dodgers won their sixte Baltimore won at seventh straight. Tampa

2927
02:25:02,800 --> 02:25:06,199
Speaker 6: Bay swept a double header at Kansas City. Philadelphia swept

2928
02:25:06,240 --> 02:25:09,640
Speaker 6: a twin bill over San Diego. A rarity from stat

2929
02:25:09,760 --> 02:25:12,280
Speaker 6: zinc on pitching and all the strikeouts. We saw that

2930
02:25:12,320 --> 02:25:15,720
Speaker 6: we had four different MLB pitchers strikeout at least ten batters,

2931
02:25:15,760 --> 02:25:18,800
Speaker 6: but their team lost the game, such as in Atlanta

2932
02:25:18,879 --> 02:25:21,560
Speaker 6: where Spencer Strider, who was eleven and two this year,

2933
02:25:21,959 --> 02:25:24,879
Speaker 6: the All Star had ten strikeouts no walks, but the

2934
02:25:24,879 --> 02:25:27,720
Speaker 6: White Sox held on for a win at Atlanta six ' five,

2935
02:25:27,800 --> 02:25:30,840
Speaker 6: getting the five runs off Strider in six innings of work.

2936
02:25:31,160 --> 02:25:33,680
Speaker 6: I will say Ronald Decunya did have two more homers

2937
02:25:33,720 --> 02:25:37,200
Speaker 6: that gives him twenty three with fifty eight RBIs and

2938
02:25:37,280 --> 02:25:40,680
Speaker 6: he's batting three thirty two. San Francisco won its fourth

2939
02:25:40,720 --> 02:25:44,280
Speaker 6: straight game Toronto and Texas with wins today. Cubs over

2940
02:25:44,360 --> 02:25:47,440
Speaker 6: Boston ten to four, beating James Paxton, who was five

2941
02:25:47,480 --> 02:25:51,480
Speaker 6: to one. Washington and Saint Louis split a double header.

2942
02:25:51,879 --> 02:25:54,240
Speaker 6: Rory McElroy is going to be teeing off for his

2943
02:25:54,280 --> 02:25:56,680
Speaker 6: final round in just a couple of hours two and

2944
02:25:56,680 --> 02:25:59,440
Speaker 6: a half. He's leading the Scottish Open by one stroke

2945
02:25:59,520 --> 02:26:02,880
Speaker 6: going two that final round. Steph Curry leads the Celebrity

2946
02:26:02,879 --> 02:26:04,840
Speaker 6: Golf tournament in Lake Tahoe. He had a hole in

2947
02:26:04,920 --> 02:26:09,320
Speaker 6: one today. Wimbledon champion Marketna and Rusivo was unseeded, first

2948
02:26:09,440 --> 02:26:12,360
Speaker 6: unseated woman to take the title there. Men's final is

2949
02:26:12,400 --> 02:26:16,240
Speaker 6: tomorrow nine am Eastern time. Mexico plays tomorrow night's Gold

2950
02:26:16,240 --> 02:26:19,880
Speaker 6: Cup final on Fox TV in La against Panama and Yes.

2951
02:26:20,000 --> 02:26:24,000
Speaker 6: Vegas hosted the WNBA All Star Game tonight. Brianna Stewart's

2952
02:26:24,040 --> 02:26:27,879
Speaker 6: team will win one forty three to one twenty seven

2953
02:26:27,959 --> 02:26:30,480
Speaker 6: game MVP Jewel Lloyd with thirty one points.

2954
02:26:30,520 --> 02:26:33,119
Speaker 2: Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve Disaga, Fox

2955
02:26:33,160 --> 02:26:37,400
Speaker 2: Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday Er Tours. Jason Martin broadcasting

2956
02:26:37,480 --> 02:26:39,600
Speaker 2: live from the Tireck dot Com Studios.

2957
02:26:39,720 --> 02:26:41,160
Speaker 3: Hey, Torres, what do you got?

2958
02:26:41,240 --> 02:26:41,400
Speaker 1: Jay?

2959
02:26:41,440 --> 02:26:43,080
Speaker 3: Saw another Lebron James story.

2960
02:26:43,160 --> 02:26:44,000
Speaker 2: Oh no, what do you do?

2961
02:26:44,360 --> 02:26:49,080
Speaker 3: He's changed his uniform number again. Well this I didn't

2962
02:26:49,080 --> 02:26:50,360
Speaker 3: see this until just now.

2963
02:26:50,520 --> 02:26:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, to Saga, did you update this on this?

2964
02:26:53,080 --> 02:26:53,200
Speaker 5: On?

2965
02:26:53,320 --> 02:26:57,760
Speaker 2: Yees? So it's because the NBA has basically retired Bill

2966
02:26:57,840 --> 02:27:01,520
Speaker 2: Russell's number six, and so Lebron had been wearing it,

2967
02:27:01,680 --> 02:27:04,440
Speaker 2: and I guess in honor of an honor of Bill Russell,

2968
02:27:04,480 --> 02:27:06,080
Speaker 2: he's deciding not to continue to wear it. I guess

2969
02:27:06,080 --> 02:27:06,640
Speaker 2: that's what it is.

2970
02:27:06,840 --> 02:27:08,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what he's saying. And he's going back to

2971
02:27:08,600 --> 02:27:13,440
Speaker 3: twenty three. Okay. I mean, it's not like a big

2972
02:27:13,480 --> 02:27:15,440
Speaker 3: story or anything. It's just kind of like I just

2973
02:27:15,440 --> 02:27:17,959
Speaker 3: happen to know it is. It's like, all right, sure,

2974
02:27:18,160 --> 02:27:20,400
Speaker 3: Lebron's going back to twenty three. Now. I did read

2975
02:27:20,400 --> 02:27:22,880
Speaker 3: a piece from The Athletic just a second ago that

2976
02:27:22,959 --> 02:27:26,800
Speaker 3: basically said, what's significant here is there is now not

2977
02:27:27,080 --> 02:27:30,120
Speaker 3: time for Nike and the league to make twenty three

2978
02:27:30,240 --> 02:27:35,000
Speaker 3: jerseys full fall. Yeah so unless like merchants of retailers

2979
02:27:35,080 --> 02:27:37,920
Speaker 3: kept to twenty three from before he went back to six,

2980
02:27:39,240 --> 02:27:41,320
Speaker 3: there's gonna be none of these things available for this

2981
02:27:41,440 --> 02:27:45,720
Speaker 3: season new so those things are gonna be fairly hot commodities.

2982
02:27:45,720 --> 02:27:47,560
Speaker 3: One would think that is fairly interesting.

2983
02:27:47,720 --> 02:27:49,920
Speaker 2: That is interesting. So there's not gonna be any twenty

2984
02:27:49,920 --> 02:27:50,520
Speaker 2: three jerseys.

2985
02:27:50,600 --> 02:27:52,640
Speaker 3: So you know what the number six jersey was last

2986
02:27:52,680 --> 02:27:55,599
Speaker 3: year the number one best selling jersey in the NBA.

2987
02:27:55,640 --> 02:27:57,280
Speaker 2: Was that to say or he can hop in here?

2988
02:27:57,360 --> 02:27:59,440
Speaker 2: Was that his first year wearing six. I'm not enough

2989
02:27:59,440 --> 02:28:00,920
Speaker 2: of a jersey. I'm not daving.

2990
02:28:01,000 --> 02:28:02,120
Speaker 6: I changed four times.

2991
02:28:02,200 --> 02:28:03,760
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah he is. Yeah.

2992
02:28:03,800 --> 02:28:06,199
Speaker 2: He started twenty three with Cleveland, then he went to six.

2993
02:28:06,240 --> 02:28:07,800
Speaker 6: In high school was three.

2994
02:28:08,200 --> 02:28:11,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think when he went to Miami he was six,

2995
02:28:11,760 --> 02:28:13,480
Speaker 2: and then he went back to twenty three with the Lake.

2996
02:28:13,400 --> 02:28:18,560
Speaker 6: Six to match all those championships they won, right, yeah, one, two, three.

2997
02:28:18,480 --> 02:28:21,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's right.

2998
02:28:21,840 --> 02:28:25,640
Speaker 3: He started wearing number six in twenty twenty one after

2999
02:28:25,800 --> 02:28:29,080
Speaker 3: space jam when he was wearing numbers six.

3000
02:28:29,120 --> 02:28:31,920
Speaker 2: Umber of people that saw that movie six, no, no,

3001
02:28:31,959 --> 02:28:32,760
Speaker 2: too soon, too soon.

3002
02:28:32,800 --> 02:28:34,800
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what it wasn't the number of people

3003
02:28:34,840 --> 02:28:35,840
Speaker 3: that liked that movie that.

3004
02:28:35,920 --> 02:28:38,320
Speaker 2: Saw I feel bad.

3005
02:28:38,360 --> 02:28:38,920
Speaker 3: Well, he's no.

3006
02:28:39,120 --> 02:28:41,760
Speaker 6: Twenty three, you can say, after that animated movie.

3007
02:28:41,879 --> 02:28:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't. I guess it's a noble thing

3008
02:28:45,760 --> 02:28:49,720
Speaker 2: to go back to twenty three. But yeah, kind of

3009
02:28:49,720 --> 02:28:53,480
Speaker 2: screwed the league, kind of screwed his partners. It's interesting.

3010
02:28:53,480 --> 02:28:55,520
Speaker 2: I didn't really have an opinion on it because I

3011
02:28:55,560 --> 02:28:57,440
Speaker 2: thought it was for like the noble reason of trying

3012
02:28:57,480 --> 02:28:59,720
Speaker 2: to respect Bill Russell. Now, oh, by the way, there

3013
02:28:59,760 --> 02:29:02,520
Speaker 2: were that wore forty two in the in Major League Baseball.

3014
02:29:02,560 --> 02:29:05,120
Speaker 2: After you know, it was officially retired in honor of

3015
02:29:05,200 --> 02:29:06,320
Speaker 2: Jackie Robinson.

3016
02:29:05,879 --> 02:29:07,640
Speaker 6: For the same reason. They were allowed to keep it

3017
02:29:07,680 --> 02:29:08,480
Speaker 6: as long as they wish.

3018
02:29:08,560 --> 02:29:11,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mariano rivera ward for another like fifteen years.

3019
02:29:11,160 --> 02:29:18,959
Speaker 3: So also interesting is Anthony Davis number three down War

3020
02:29:19,080 --> 02:29:22,160
Speaker 3: twenty three with the Pelicans traded to the Lakers in

3021
02:29:22,280 --> 02:29:26,160
Speaker 3: nineteen he decides to wear three cents. Well, twenty three

3022
02:29:26,280 --> 02:29:29,920
Speaker 3: was unavailable because Lebron James was wearing it. Then he

3023
02:29:30,000 --> 02:29:32,879
Speaker 3: stuck with three when James switched back to six, which

3024
02:29:32,920 --> 02:29:36,400
Speaker 3: means twenty three was still available, and so it's as

3025
02:29:36,440 --> 02:29:39,560
Speaker 3: possible like Anthony Davis could actually claim twenty three, but

3026
02:29:39,680 --> 02:29:43,039
Speaker 3: Lebron snuck in. So there's look you heard it here

3027
02:29:43,080 --> 02:29:46,920
Speaker 3: first man, there's dissension in the ranks in Los Angeles

3028
02:29:46,959 --> 02:29:49,920
Speaker 3: over the uniform number twenty three. I think they are

3029
02:29:49,959 --> 02:29:51,119
Speaker 3: going to miss the playoffs.

3030
02:29:51,200 --> 02:29:53,879
Speaker 2: Now we know why Anthony Davis refused to stand when

3031
02:29:53,920 --> 02:29:56,680
Speaker 2: Lebron broke the scoring record. He knew his number was

3032
02:29:56,680 --> 02:29:58,039
Speaker 2: getting hijacked dead.

3033
02:29:58,200 --> 02:30:02,199
Speaker 6: Or maybe Anthony Davis swissing. Well, since the Miami Heat

3034
02:30:02,400 --> 02:30:06,200
Speaker 6: retired number twenty three from Michael Jordan, are you aware

3035
02:30:06,200 --> 02:30:06,480
Speaker 6: of this?

3036
02:30:06,959 --> 02:30:08,040
Speaker 2: I didn't know that's true.

3037
02:30:08,120 --> 02:30:10,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, isn't it up in the rafters. It's just what

3038
02:30:10,200 --> 02:30:12,800
Speaker 6: what is going on? But not that's not in every

3039
02:30:12,800 --> 02:30:14,720
Speaker 6: team now Robinson?

3040
02:30:14,800 --> 02:30:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, So the Miami Heat retired Michael Jordan's number.

3041
02:30:19,080 --> 02:30:21,039
Speaker 2: That's very strange. I had no idea.

3042
02:30:21,160 --> 02:30:23,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just I mean, twenty years ago, it's it's

3043
02:30:23,640 --> 02:30:25,600
Speaker 6: up in the rafters for somebody who never played for

3044
02:30:25,640 --> 02:30:28,000
Speaker 6: the Miami Heat and it's not retired league one.

3045
02:30:28,520 --> 02:30:31,199
Speaker 2: That's very strange, all right, That is weird.

3046
02:30:31,080 --> 02:30:34,280
Speaker 6: Not not as strange as you know, Mark Eaton having

3047
02:30:34,280 --> 02:30:36,760
Speaker 6: against Jersey and the Rafters Utah. But of carts, that's

3048
02:30:36,760 --> 02:30:38,280
Speaker 6: another item of discussion.

3049
02:30:38,280 --> 02:30:39,400
Speaker 2: But was he was it retired?

3050
02:30:39,680 --> 02:30:41,840
Speaker 3: Talking about guys that have their jerseys and the Rafters

3051
02:30:41,840 --> 02:30:46,960
Speaker 3: that probably shouldn't have theirs. There are several candidates for that.

3052
02:30:47,720 --> 02:30:49,760
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Mark Eaton has his Hall of Fame

3053
02:30:49,920 --> 02:30:52,520
Speaker 3: toereas you get back, Hey, we hadn't heard your take

3054
02:30:52,560 --> 02:30:54,879
Speaker 3: on this. To seger Is Andrew Luka Hall of Famer.

3055
02:30:54,879 --> 02:30:58,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, mice standard. I think for that would be Kurt

3056
02:30:58,800 --> 02:31:01,360
Speaker 6: Warner because he only had had about six great seasons

3057
02:31:01,400 --> 02:31:04,400
Speaker 6: and six bad ones, and he was superb. When he

3058
02:31:04,480 --> 02:31:06,200
Speaker 6: was great, he was superb. He had three of the

3059
02:31:06,200 --> 02:31:09,520
Speaker 6: best Super Bowls we've ever seen a quarterback have, just

3060
02:31:09,560 --> 02:31:11,280
Speaker 6: because he didn't win all of them. And we're talking

3061
02:31:11,280 --> 02:31:13,800
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame, the individual achievements. When he was great,

3062
02:31:13,840 --> 02:31:17,640
Speaker 6: he was great, and Lucks six years don't measure up

3063
02:31:17,680 --> 02:31:19,200
Speaker 6: to that. In fact, Terrell Davis, if you want to

3064
02:31:19,200 --> 02:31:23,040
Speaker 6: talk about standards, yeah, that wasn't even six years of greatness.

3065
02:31:23,160 --> 02:31:23,879
Speaker 3: That was about four.

3066
02:31:24,040 --> 02:31:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I'm on an island on this one.

3067
02:31:27,400 --> 02:31:30,000
Speaker 2: It's okay, all right, yeah you are canoe. I need

3068
02:31:30,000 --> 02:31:32,600
Speaker 2: a canoe and a paddle. But uh anyway, all right,

3069
02:31:32,640 --> 02:31:34,640
Speaker 2: thank you to Sega, have a great evening to Saga.

3070
02:31:34,680 --> 02:31:37,760
Speaker 2: Will be back tomorrow with Mark Willer and He from Salaam,

3071
02:31:38,040 --> 02:31:40,680
Speaker 2: Arnie Spaniard and Chris playing Fox Sports Radio eron towards

3072
02:31:40,720 --> 02:31:46,560
Speaker 2: Jason Martin. One segment left and as I said, where's Waldo,

3073
02:31:46,879 --> 02:31:49,480
Speaker 2: Where's MESSI? Where was he this week? What was going

3074
02:31:49,520 --> 02:31:51,520
Speaker 2: on with that? That's next Fox Sports Radio.

3075
02:31:53,000 --> 02:31:54,920
Speaker 3: This has been one heck of a fight from the

3076
02:31:54,959 --> 02:32:01,640
Speaker 3: Angels tonight. A second other bomb kicks up the Cussinger.

3077
02:32:14,280 --> 02:32:17,480
Speaker 2: The Angels do, in fact win a wild one rally

3078
02:32:17,560 --> 02:32:19,959
Speaker 2: late to force extra innings, and then as you just heard,

3079
02:32:20,080 --> 02:32:23,280
Speaker 2: win on a crazy play to end things. That call

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Speaker 2: dot com. You know, Jason, we led the show or

3086
02:32:40,440 --> 02:32:43,600
Speaker 2: early in the show talking about Andrew Luck Is he

3087
02:32:43,640 --> 02:32:45,760
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer, is he not a Hall of Famer? Whatever.

3088
02:32:46,200 --> 02:32:48,400
Speaker 2: Why I bring it up is because I mentioned that

3089
02:32:48,959 --> 02:32:53,920
Speaker 2: I found out that Andrew Luck was retiring during my honeymoon,

3090
02:32:54,080 --> 02:32:55,920
Speaker 2: at a point where my wife was already mad at

3091
02:32:55,920 --> 02:32:58,240
Speaker 2: me because she was hungry. And then I couldn't put

3092
02:32:58,280 --> 02:33:02,360
Speaker 2: down my phone because essentially I saw the story and

3093
02:33:02,440 --> 02:33:05,200
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe that it was true, and I had

3094
02:33:05,240 --> 02:33:08,039
Speaker 2: to wait for four or five different sources before I

3095
02:33:08,040 --> 02:33:10,320
Speaker 2: believe it. I bring it up because, on a much

3096
02:33:10,400 --> 02:33:13,640
Speaker 2: lighter note, I saw a very different story that reminded

3097
02:33:13,680 --> 02:33:17,560
Speaker 2: me of that I can't believe this is true. Element

3098
02:33:18,840 --> 02:33:22,040
Speaker 2: that was when I saw the pictures of Messi shopping

3099
02:33:22,600 --> 02:33:25,760
Speaker 2: at a publix. Messi, of course, Lino Messi, the star

3100
02:33:25,840 --> 02:33:30,640
Speaker 2: soccer player now with the MLS team in Miami. And

3101
02:33:30,720 --> 02:33:33,280
Speaker 2: when I saw that story, I was like, these can't

3102
02:33:33,280 --> 02:33:36,280
Speaker 2: be real pictures. He can't just be shopping at the

3103
02:33:36,320 --> 02:33:41,320
Speaker 2: local publics. Yet there he was just checking out publics,

3104
02:33:41,560 --> 02:33:44,280
Speaker 2: hanging out in Miami, just shopping. You know, It's like

3105
02:33:44,320 --> 02:33:47,680
Speaker 2: that old US Weekly segment stars they're just like us.

3106
02:33:48,080 --> 02:33:50,600
Speaker 2: How about Messi just showing up at the local shop

3107
02:33:50,879 --> 02:33:53,240
Speaker 2: to pick up some goods. Jason, what you see did

3108
02:33:53,280 --> 02:33:55,600
Speaker 2: you believe? Like when you saw those pictures, were you like,

3109
02:33:55,680 --> 02:33:58,520
Speaker 2: are these real? I couldn't believe that. I don't know,

3110
02:33:58,520 --> 02:34:00,959
Speaker 2: maybe I'm overplaying it, but like I couldn't believe that

3111
02:34:01,080 --> 02:34:03,320
Speaker 2: just just hanging out, just shopping at the store like

3112
02:34:03,360 --> 02:34:04,000
Speaker 2: anybody else.

3113
02:34:05,000 --> 02:34:08,160
Speaker 3: I Mean, it does seem crazy because he's so recognizable too.

3114
02:34:08,280 --> 02:34:10,720
Speaker 3: I mean he's not recognizable to a ton of just

3115
02:34:11,000 --> 02:34:15,320
Speaker 3: regular Americans walking around, but he's certainly going to be recognizable,

3116
02:34:15,440 --> 02:34:17,760
Speaker 3: you could think in that community, especially because he's been

3117
02:34:17,959 --> 02:34:21,120
Speaker 3: everywhere as this whole deal has been arranged, and then

3118
02:34:21,160 --> 02:34:24,920
Speaker 3: of course internationally so well known, so there's a lot

3119
02:34:25,000 --> 02:34:26,320
Speaker 3: of folks that are going to know who he is

3120
02:34:26,440 --> 02:34:28,400
Speaker 3: more than anything. It's just you just feel like you'd

3121
02:34:28,440 --> 02:34:32,160
Speaker 3: send somebody to Publics, Yeah, were you? But I will

3122
02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:35,560
Speaker 3: say this Publics is a great grocery store. It's a

3123
02:34:35,600 --> 02:34:38,320
Speaker 3: great chain. Always been a big time fan of Theirs.

3124
02:34:39,040 --> 02:34:41,160
Speaker 3: I do think that he could have done much worse

3125
02:34:41,640 --> 02:34:44,080
Speaker 3: than going to Publics. I mean, there's high quality food

3126
02:34:44,160 --> 02:34:46,200
Speaker 3: up in there, Like he can get what he's looking

3127
02:34:46,240 --> 02:34:49,800
Speaker 3: for in there. It just seems odd like there are

3128
02:34:49,800 --> 02:34:53,080
Speaker 3: some athletes, there are some Hollywood types that if you

3129
02:34:53,080 --> 02:34:55,320
Speaker 3: were to see them in a grocery store, you wouldn't

3130
02:34:55,440 --> 02:34:57,160
Speaker 3: bat an eye. You'd just kind of be like, well,

3131
02:34:57,200 --> 02:35:00,920
Speaker 3: that's interesting Lionel Messi. If you recognize Lionel Messi and

3132
02:35:00,959 --> 02:35:02,440
Speaker 3: you see him in there, it's just kind of like,

3133
02:35:03,360 --> 02:35:06,640
Speaker 3: how many Twitter followers do you have? Like more than

3134
02:35:06,680 --> 02:35:09,720
Speaker 3: has ever stepped into a Publix ever, Like in the

3135
02:35:09,760 --> 02:35:13,760
Speaker 3: history of the entire company, every Publix on its busiest

3136
02:35:13,879 --> 02:35:17,200
Speaker 3: day combined wouldn't be as many people as know who

3137
02:35:17,200 --> 02:35:20,000
Speaker 3: you are globally, and yet you're in here picking up

3138
02:35:20,040 --> 02:35:23,320
Speaker 3: a lemon pepper, rotisserie chicken and some Jenny's ice cream. Tonight.

3139
02:35:23,360 --> 02:35:25,920
Speaker 2: All right, let's play a fun game. Guess how many

3140
02:35:26,040 --> 02:35:28,080
Speaker 2: Instagram followers Leono Messi has.

3141
02:35:28,160 --> 02:35:32,119
Speaker 3: Lord I have no idea. I'm one hundred and twenty

3142
02:35:32,160 --> 02:35:39,600
Speaker 3: million hire, two hundred and twenty million higher, four hundred

3143
02:35:39,640 --> 02:35:43,800
Speaker 3: and twenty million higher, seven hundred and twenty million.

3144
02:35:44,120 --> 02:35:48,720
Speaker 2: It's four hundred seventy eight million Instagram filews.

3145
02:35:48,760 --> 02:35:49,519
Speaker 3: That's insane.

3146
02:35:49,959 --> 02:35:53,280
Speaker 2: That's what I mean, is like, you know, I don't

3147
02:35:53,280 --> 02:35:55,840
Speaker 2: want to oversell like the You know, first of all,

3148
02:35:55,840 --> 02:35:58,680
Speaker 2: if you're your celebrity, do whatever you want, but one

3149
02:35:58,720 --> 02:36:00,520
Speaker 2: I would say, like at a certain point becomes like

3150
02:36:00,920 --> 02:36:04,240
Speaker 2: a dangerous. Yeah, That's that's my thought is, you know,

3151
02:36:04,280 --> 02:36:07,000
Speaker 2: he apparently feels safe, and I understand that, you know,

3152
02:36:07,080 --> 02:36:09,400
Speaker 2: I get he's like five foot six or whatever. So

3153
02:36:09,440 --> 02:36:11,680
Speaker 2: it's not like shack walking it through a Publix where

3154
02:36:11,680 --> 02:36:14,440
Speaker 2: you can't miss him. But like the idea that he's

3155
02:36:14,440 --> 02:36:17,400
Speaker 2: gonna walk through a crowded grocery store and nobody is

3156
02:36:17,440 --> 02:36:20,480
Speaker 2: going to recognize him. I just can't believe it. But

3157
02:36:20,480 --> 02:36:22,920
Speaker 2: but credit to him, like, like, you know, clearly proving

3158
02:36:22,959 --> 02:36:25,720
Speaker 2: that you know, he's not above just going and picking

3159
02:36:25,800 --> 02:36:28,760
Speaker 2: up his own groceries. Chris Purfetur Soccer Insider. He does

3160
02:36:28,800 --> 02:36:31,480
Speaker 2: a soccer segment with with Bernie every week. What do

3161
02:36:31,520 --> 02:36:32,080
Speaker 2: you got, Chris?

3162
02:36:32,360 --> 02:36:34,760
Speaker 12: I was gonna say, like I and and this isn't

3163
02:36:34,760 --> 02:36:38,560
Speaker 12: to demean Argentina, but he is still infinitely safer in

3164
02:36:38,600 --> 02:36:40,640
Speaker 12: Miami than what some of his family has had to

3165
02:36:40,640 --> 02:36:43,920
Speaker 12: deal with in Argentina in the past. So like, I'm

3166
02:36:43,959 --> 02:36:46,000
Speaker 12: sure going up over there to get a chicken tender

3167
02:36:46,040 --> 02:36:48,880
Speaker 12: pub sub is like nothing to him.

3168
02:36:49,280 --> 02:36:54,160
Speaker 2: I I it's weird. It's still weird. I mean, I just.

3169
02:36:55,280 --> 02:36:57,360
Speaker 3: I's famous and then there's Lionel Messi.

3170
02:36:57,520 --> 02:36:59,600
Speaker 12: That's what I mean is like I don't even think

3171
02:36:59,600 --> 02:37:00,959
Speaker 12: you guys are selling him enough to.

3172
02:37:01,120 --> 02:37:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like know how to even equate it

3173
02:37:03,840 --> 02:37:07,640
Speaker 2: where like you know, like like think about like like

3174
02:37:07,840 --> 02:37:10,400
Speaker 2: like like let's let's just use a very recent example

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Speaker 2: the when Banyama Britney spears stuff right, like, think about

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Speaker 2: how easy instead of it being goofy Britney spears looking

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Speaker 2: to take a picture, it could have been somebody with

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Speaker 2: a gun or a knife or somebody that could have

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Speaker 2: seriously hurt him. Now and I understand when Baniyama seventy five,

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Speaker 2: so it's a little bit of a different deal. But

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Speaker 2: there's no doubt that Lino Messi is fifty million times

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Speaker 2: more famous than him, And like, I don't know that

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Speaker 2: anybody's out there to hurt a soccer player as much

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Speaker 2: as it is just it's freaking cool to see him.

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Speaker 2: I'm just like, I'm just genuinely stunned that he was

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Speaker 2: just walking through the grocery store and like, in a way,

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Speaker 2: good for him, like living his normal life.

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Speaker 3: But I'm not like that about it. I like the

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Speaker 3: I like the salt of the Earth version of that

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Speaker 3: considering who he is and how much money he's gotten

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Speaker 3: all that. I also think that if you are somebody

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Speaker 3: in that city, you feel good about it because he

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Speaker 3: feels safe enough to walk around there. I think that's

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Speaker 3: that's kind of cool too, just that it just feel

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Speaker 3: like somebody that's that famous wouldn't even think to go

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Speaker 3: to a grocery store, That's what I like, It would

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Speaker 3: never even run through their head, And for him to

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Speaker 3: actually do it is really interesting.

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Speaker 12: I just I just hope it's just not like a

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Speaker 12: one time publicity stunt, which it still might.

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Speaker 3: Be advised not to ever do it again.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure every minder from inter Miami

3203
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Speaker 12: is like on the phone scrambling to call him at

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Speaker 12: this point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and clearly, I will say it's it's clear that

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Speaker 2: he didn't seem as though he was concerned. Maybe he

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Speaker 2: does this all the time in Spain. Obviously, as you said, Argentina,

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Speaker 2: he probably can't, but you know, like he had his

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Speaker 2: kids with him. It was I don't think it was

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Speaker 2: a publicity stunt. Just I think he just wanted to

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Speaker 2: go grocery shoping. Good for him. All right, we gotta

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