WEBVTT - AI Minstrel Shows feat. Bridget Todd

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media, Welcome to It could happen here, a

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<v Speaker 1>show about things falling apart, and today the thing falling

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<v Speaker 1>apart is the Internet. And today we have a special

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<v Speaker 1>guest episode with Bridget Todd. Hello Bridget, So Garrett, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of funny that we are talking just a few

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<v Speaker 2>days after the Trump administration put out there Woke AI

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<v Speaker 2>Executive Orderer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I have not read this yet. I have to

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<v Speaker 1>for next week's executive Disorder. I'm not looking forward to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that the Cool Zone team kind of sections

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<v Speaker 2>off all the Trump federal nonsense so you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to be mired in it all the goddamn time.

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<v Speaker 1>I still kind of am. I just schedule it throughout

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<v Speaker 1>my week. I guess there's certain days where I have

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<v Speaker 1>to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you gotta pepper it in. You gotta pepper it in.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, not to give you a spoiler for when

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<v Speaker 2>you dive into it yourself, but it's all nonsense. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump administration is saying that right now, the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>threat regarding AI is it being too woke and essentially

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<v Speaker 2>telling folks who make AI tech leaders essentially to be

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<v Speaker 2>more like Elon Musk and Grock and make sure that.

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<v Speaker 3>Your AI models.

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<v Speaker 2>The only AI models that we will accept in this

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<v Speaker 2>country are the non woke ones, ones that don't incorporate

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<v Speaker 2>DEI would love to know more about what he thinks

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<v Speaker 2>that means, but that's a little preview for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Fantastic, you know, seems like the most important issue facing

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<v Speaker 1>our nation right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely, definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's funny that we're talking about AI because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you're on TikTok, but there have

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<v Speaker 2>been these kind of shockingly racist AI generated videos all

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<v Speaker 2>over TikTok, to the point where I would say that

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<v Speaker 2>we are witnessing the revival of the minstrel Show using

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<v Speaker 2>AI on social media. This is not a claim I

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<v Speaker 2>use lightly. That is how extreme some of this content is.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not on TikTok, but I think I've seen some

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<v Speaker 1>of this content permeate across platforms, certainly on like Instagram,

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<v Speaker 1>reels and even even bits of X the Everything app.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that you call it that. That's the full name.

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<v Speaker 2>So for folks who don't know, I want to scram

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation in what a minstrel show is. So the

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<v Speaker 2>Minstrel Show was a incredibly popular form of American theater

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<v Speaker 2>and entertainment in the nineteenth century, where mostly but not all,

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<v Speaker 2>white performers would wear black face makeup to make themselves

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<v Speaker 2>look like These exaggerated racist versions of black people and

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<v Speaker 2>essentially portray very racist stereotypes of black folks being lazy buffoons.

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<v Speaker 2>And a common trope in these skits was black people

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<v Speaker 2>trying and failing to gain American citizenship because at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>black Americans did not have full citizenship, and so a

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<v Speaker 2>big plotline would be like, Oh, we had to take

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<v Speaker 2>a test for citizenship, but we were too stupid to

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<v Speaker 2>figure it out. Are we spaced the data and overslept

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<v Speaker 2>because we're very lazy. When these shows would depict black women,

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<v Speaker 2>we were often shown as what you might think up

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<v Speaker 2>as like a sapphire caricature, which is rude, loud, malicious, stubborn,

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<v Speaker 2>and overbearing, kind of like the angry black woman trope

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<v Speaker 2>that you probably are familiar with in media today. So

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<v Speaker 2>these skits were incredibly popular entertainment, but they also served

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<v Speaker 2>the purpose of reaffirming political and social ideologies, and so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the dominant way that people consumed media regarding

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<v Speaker 2>black people showed us as lazy, stupid, angry, loud, and

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<v Speaker 2>importantly not really able to conform to the dominant culture

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<v Speaker 2>of like mainstream, hardworking white Americans.

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<v Speaker 3>That is obviously an incredibly.

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<v Speaker 2>Powerful tool to uphold and reaffirm the idea that black

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<v Speaker 2>folks should not be given full citizenship, should not be

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<v Speaker 2>given full rights, cannot be you know, integrated into polite

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<v Speaker 2>white society. And it almost kind of became this for

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<v Speaker 2>their own good attitude that provided like a polite justification

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<v Speaker 2>for things like segregation. Well like, oh, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen in minstrel shows that black folks are very

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<v Speaker 2>lazy and stupid, So it's an as for their own

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<v Speaker 2>good that we treat them like shit in society, do

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<v Speaker 2>you feel me?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a sort of like infantilization exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And so even though the minstrel show did die out,

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<v Speaker 2>I would argue that we are kind of seeing a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of a comeback using AI in the digital realm,

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<v Speaker 2>and just like the menstrual shows of.

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<v Speaker 3>Yesteryear, we're used to affirm.

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<v Speaker 2>Political and social ideologies under the guise of just being

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<v Speaker 2>entertainment or just being jokes or just being funny. I

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<v Speaker 2>really think it's not a coincidence that we're also seeing

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<v Speaker 2>the rise of digital blackface, where non black creators are

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<v Speaker 2>using AI to create these viral racist skits that are

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<v Speaker 2>steeped in black stereotypes, and that they're really taking off

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<v Speaker 2>all over social media today.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds not fun to hear about, but I'm excited

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<v Speaker 1>for you to explain it to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So I will say, initially, the first iteration of

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<v Speaker 2>one of these videos that I saw was not really racist.

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<v Speaker 2>It was made by a black creator, I think, trying

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<v Speaker 2>to use AI to create sort of humorous skits. But

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<v Speaker 2>when that first video took off, people on TikTok started

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<v Speaker 2>using AI to create more and more extreme, more and

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<v Speaker 2>more racist iterations of these kinds of videos, which is

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<v Speaker 2>what we're seeing today. So I will play a little

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<v Speaker 2>snippet of an example for you.

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<v Speaker 3>What's up, bitch?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this Bigfoot one hand the baddest bitch in the woods?

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<v Speaker 3>Part time cryptic, full time problem. Don't follow me if

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<v Speaker 3>you scared a please.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a TikTok that got over two million views,

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<v Speaker 2>and it basically it uses AI to generate this black

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<v Speaker 2>woman stereotypical version of Bigfoot, and this account is so

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<v Speaker 2>popular that has generated so many copycats, like this is

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<v Speaker 2>a format that has really hit with TikTok.

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<v Speaker 3>There also is another kind of bucket of.

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<v Speaker 2>These that people call slave talk, where it uses AI

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<v Speaker 2>to sort of reimagine enslaved people on plantations if they

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<v Speaker 2>had social media and we're doing vlogs and so a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of those videos were taken down by TikTok, which

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<v Speaker 2>is I think good, but essentially it would reimagine these

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<v Speaker 2>AI in generated enslaved people basically saying like, oh, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I do have to work out here in the cotton fields,

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<v Speaker 2>but at least I'm gonna get meals. At least I

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<v Speaker 2>have a roof over my head, essentially really affirming the

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<v Speaker 2>idea that, like slavery, wasn't that bad.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the more heinous.

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<v Speaker 2>Examples that I saw of these that was removed from

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<v Speaker 2>TikTok was a TikTok shop sponsored video that showed an

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<v Speaker 2>AI generated enslaved person working in the fields wearing a

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<v Speaker 2>solar powered hat with a sand in it, and basically

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<v Speaker 2>he was like, Oh, this work in the field would

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<v Speaker 2>be so horrible if I did not have this hat.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's a little link to the TikTok shop

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<v Speaker 2>and you can buy the actual hat, which is.

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<v Speaker 3>Just some really dystopian awful shit.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that is like quite literally it's like evocative of

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<v Speaker 1>like cyberpunk tropes that people I would assume would not

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<v Speaker 1>want to use due to fears of insensitivity. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>just on your phone like as like a real thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I completely agree, and I love that comparison.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think, like I would imagine if I were

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<v Speaker 2>running a TikTok shop that using the AI generated image

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<v Speaker 2>of an enslaved person, I would think like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>this is certainly not something that I would use to

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<v Speaker 2>like sell some cheap fan hat.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean, I think it is exactly what you're

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<v Speaker 3>saying that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that the extreme quality of these videos, people

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<v Speaker 2>are just like, well, it'll get views and then I'll

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<v Speaker 2>get more eyeballs on my TikTok shop.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think there's any kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of sure Yeah, no, it's a very gross way of

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<v Speaker 1>doing like outrage farming for engagement. I guess, like because

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<v Speaker 1>like surely they know that these are not going to

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<v Speaker 1>like go over easy. Like I think a part of

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<v Speaker 1>part of this is generating some degree of like attention

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<v Speaker 1>based on it being offensive or extremely gross and knowing

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<v Speaker 1>that people will like comment things of that nature.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's funny that you mentioned that, because the AI

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<v Speaker 2>component of this is sort of what makes this novel

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<v Speaker 2>and new. But that kind of thing has been all

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<v Speaker 2>over our social media for the longest time. Sure, I

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<v Speaker 2>remember how big stuff like skit culture was on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't mean skits like Saturday Night Live or Portlandia.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean skits where they are trying to get you

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<v Speaker 2>to think this is somebody's cell phone footage of something

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<v Speaker 2>that happened, but really it's like, well that.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are two actors.

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<v Speaker 2>And there was a type of these skits that would

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<v Speaker 2>really take off on TikTok, where it was purporting to

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<v Speaker 2>be oh, this is a parent who is going off

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<v Speaker 2>on a trans teacher for trying to indoctrinate their kid,

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<v Speaker 2>and all the comments would be like good for them,

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<v Speaker 2>good for that mom, And then the screen flips and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh, well, the woman you were just telling

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<v Speaker 2>me is the trans teacher, Now she's the mom who.

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<v Speaker 3>Was the next video, yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I like the ones that are set on airplanes

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<v Speaker 1>where they all use the same airplane set, Yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>they get into like fake fights on airplanes using the

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<v Speaker 1>same like five actors playing different roles.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then if.

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<v Speaker 2>You look carefully in the background, you start thinking, well,

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<v Speaker 2>airplanes don't have those strip led lights that you can

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<v Speaker 2>buy on Amazon.

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<v Speaker 3>Does actually sme the TikTok lights and the hallways like

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<v Speaker 3>five feet wide?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, And listen, I am not above getting taken

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<v Speaker 2>in by those kinds of skits. And I guess I

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<v Speaker 2>don't love the idea that someone would be dedicating energy

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<v Speaker 2>and brain space to getting upset about a set of

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<v Speaker 2>circumstances that never really happened.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's the Internet. Come on, that's that's like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>half of the Internet. Yes, you know, I don't love it.

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<v Speaker 2>But when the stakes so like when the stakes are

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<v Speaker 2>low and it's just like a random fight on an airplane, fine,

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<v Speaker 2>when the stakes are higher and it's like, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a skit meant to like attack or demonize trans people,

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<v Speaker 2>queer people, black people, that's where I'm like, well, what

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<v Speaker 2>are we really doing here?

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<v Speaker 3>I think whether or not this.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of content, like when it's AI generated, we're looking

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<v Speaker 2>at things that never actually happened, even though these these

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<v Speaker 2>circumstances in these situations never really happened, they still very

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<v Speaker 2>much affirm the worldview of the people who are consuming it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And so if you are consuming a skit involving whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's human actors or AI generated black people, if that

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<v Speaker 2>skit reaffirms your worldview that these people cannot be trusted,

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<v Speaker 2>these people are bad in some way, it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter if it's real.

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<v Speaker 3>Or not, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like the concept of like hyperreality, where you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to like blend the Internet's exaggerated version of reality with

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<v Speaker 1>our physical lived existence, and how these things start combining

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<v Speaker 1>in to each other to create this idea of reality

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<v Speaker 1>in our heads that's more real than it actually is,

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<v Speaker 1>to the point where we take things on the screen

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<v Speaker 1>to be more accurately reflective of what's going on in

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<v Speaker 1>the world than what we actually experience in our day

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<v Speaker 1>to day lives. And so much of that concept is

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<v Speaker 1>what drives like American like reactionary politics exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you actually go into the comments of these videos,

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<v Speaker 2>which in my opinion are very clearly AI generated, people

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<v Speaker 2>don't even comments well, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean, well, I mean that easy for you to say

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<v Speaker 1>someone who spends their time like researching what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>on the internet.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure if Mema and Pop are finding.

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<v Speaker 1>These videos, they're gonna be like, well, this one's obviously

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<v Speaker 1>AI generated.

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<v Speaker 2>No, And that's my point is like, I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>think they're thinking about it that way, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think they care that it's not really In the comments

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<v Speaker 2>of these videos, It'll be a video, an AI generated

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<v Speaker 2>video of a black woman behaving in this very stereotypical

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<v Speaker 2>racist way, and the comments will say they're all like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and it kind of misses the point of like, well, there's.

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<v Speaker 3>No they in this video because it's AI generated. This

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<v Speaker 3>is just a computer puppet. This isn't real. Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I completely agree.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think when you see something online, whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>obviously AI generated or not, if it reaffirms your worldview,

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the same reason why when there's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like four legged veterans in AI slop holding a sign

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<v Speaker 2>that says everyone forgot about me, wish me happy birthday.

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<v Speaker 3>Three billion likes on Facebook.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what do you think is going on there?

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<v Speaker 2>I find that so fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I mean, I'm not a psychologist, but I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it isn't just the simple reaffirming of someone's

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<v Speaker 1>previously held view people are very receptive to. And we

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<v Speaker 1>even see this with like you know, with like fake

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<v Speaker 1>news headlines, right, and people might point out that this

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<v Speaker 1>story isn't isn't actually real. And when people are confronted

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<v Speaker 1>with this idea of that they've been tricked by unreality,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll be like, no, maybe this one isn't real, but

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<v Speaker 1>it could be real. And that's what really matters is

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<v Speaker 1>that this this feels true, not that it is true,

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<v Speaker 1>but the fact that I feel it resonating is actually

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<v Speaker 1>more important than any kind of physical trueness out inside,

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<v Speaker 1>like the flesh world like that. That is honestly that

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<v Speaker 1>that matters far less than how it impacts how I

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<v Speaker 1>feel and how it reflects the world as I see it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did an episode of my podcast or oar

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<v Speaker 2>norgles on the Internet, all about the sort of weird

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<v Speaker 2>economy of AI generated disinformation, essentially fan fiction that came

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<v Speaker 2>out of the trial of Sean P.

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<v Speaker 3>Diddy. Come oh, that sounds incredibly upsetting.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so upsetting, and the reason I looked into

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<v Speaker 2>it is because I have to be honest and say,

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<v Speaker 2>one of these AI generated videos got me, right. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a video that claimed that the late musician Prince

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<v Speaker 2>was able to testify in Ditty's trial from the Beyond

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<v Speaker 2>the Grave and that they played a video that Prince

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<v Speaker 2>made warning everybody that Didty is this bad guy?

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<v Speaker 3>Right. I am probably the world's biggest Prince fans.

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<v Speaker 2>While I was like Prince always like, it got me

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<v Speaker 2>and get.

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<v Speaker 3>Totally affirmed what I want to be true.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was all a lie.

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<v Speaker 1>It's compelling, it's trying to like, it's trying to impact

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<v Speaker 1>you emotionally, especially for people who who like Prince, who

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<v Speaker 1>who miss miss prints. This could be emotionally compelling, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's what they're like intentionally going after. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's why something like that could work so well.

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<v Speaker 3>It got me.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I looked into kind of how these videos

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<v Speaker 2>are cranked out on YouTube, so basically any celebrity that

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<v Speaker 2>you can imagine there is an AI generated video on

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube saying that they were somehow involved in the Diddy trial.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's so interesting is in the comments of these

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<v Speaker 2>videos that are again pretty obviously AI generated or not real,

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<v Speaker 2>and even the description of the YouTube account will say

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<v Speaker 2>this is just for entertainment. Nothing here is supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be true. People won't read that part. Basically, if you've

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<v Speaker 2>ever had a bad feeling about a celebrity, which who

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't totally see there's a video that a with that

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<v Speaker 2>worldview that is like, well did you know they were

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<v Speaker 2>involved in the ditty pre cops?

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<v Speaker 3>And everybody's like, I knew it.

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<v Speaker 1>That person always gave me the ac if fine, I

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<v Speaker 1>knew it. I was smart enough to pick it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Not everyone else was smart enough, but I was. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's a whole other emotional feeling that it's being

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<v Speaker 1>targeted by these like AI slop creators where they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get like affirm people's like like narcissism about their

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<v Speaker 1>ability to judge the moral character of strangers.

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<v Speaker 2>That is so it because the people, the celebrities they choose,

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<v Speaker 2>it's people that maybe you would have like, I have

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<v Speaker 2>no real reason for this, but I hate Kevin Hart

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<v Speaker 2>and so in the videos. Don't even ask me why.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even have a real reason. I just don't

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<v Speaker 2>like him. Well, he is short, he is short. There

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<v Speaker 2>you go love to my short Kings. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>reasons I don't like him. This is just me spec

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<v Speaker 2>like he just does a lot of ads and you

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<v Speaker 2>can't get on social media without his cryptocurrency ad, his

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<v Speaker 2>draft Kings ad.

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<v Speaker 3>I just like hate seeing it short Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In the AI generated video claiming that he was mixed

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<v Speaker 2>up in the Diddy Trials, every comments like I knew it.

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<v Speaker 2>I always hated him, And that's affirming people like feeling

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<v Speaker 2>like they knew something that other people didn't see, and

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<v Speaker 2>they knew it early on.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, And I think what's something that's similar to this

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<v Speaker 1>that's happening right now is there's a massive media campaign

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<v Speaker 1>right now against Pedro Pascal with with AI generated videos

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<v Speaker 1>of him like touching his female co stars, and these

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<v Speaker 1>these videos have been have been digitally altered, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>in service of this this big harassment campaign against someone

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<v Speaker 1>who's like very vocally Protrance writes, there's other possible reasons

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<v Speaker 1>for why he's he's being targeted by these videos, but no, Similarly,

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<v Speaker 1>it's trying to create this like ick around Patri Pascal

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<v Speaker 1>using AI altered media, and it's it's gaining a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of traction right now, and it's something that people need

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<v Speaker 1>to be like very very cautious of. But yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>trying to affirm whatever. Maybe you, for some reason have

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<v Speaker 1>never liked Patro Pascal. I can't imagine why. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you find a video like this talking about how how

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<v Speaker 1>he's using a social anxiety diagnosis to inappropriately touch his.

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<v Speaker 3>Co stars, like I knew it. I knew it.

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<v Speaker 1>I never trusted Pedro Pascal and I don't like it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's pro trans writes, and you're like, there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>They've completely got you. They've been able to like automate

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<v Speaker 1>and monetize internet hate campaigns against people that you don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Gerrett, Literally, right before you and I got on this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw a video on Reddit and it's a it's

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<v Speaker 2>a scene from an episode of Always Sonny where one

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<v Speaker 2>of the guys is like essentially lifting d the female

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<v Speaker 2>lead up by her crotch, and the caption was Pedro

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<v Speaker 2>Pascal when he feels anxiety next to me, you got

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<v Speaker 2>a co star? And I remember thinking, like, this is

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<v Speaker 2>such a weird fucking video. But what corner of the

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<v Speaker 2>Internet have I wandered into?

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<v Speaker 3>But I didn't. I did not know that there.

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<v Speaker 2>Are horses trying to make me get the ick about

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<v Speaker 2>Pedro Pascal Coincidentally, he is someone who speaks up for

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<v Speaker 2>LGBTQ wrights, you know, progressive causes.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, it's it's it's a it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>huge thing swooping the internet right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it really goes to show how so

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<v Speaker 2>kind of easily we can be manipulated using digital content,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's AI generated or AI manipulated or not. Like

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<v Speaker 2>our understandings of the sort of general temperature of what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on are so so much more tenuous than we think,

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<v Speaker 2>and so much more easily manipulated than we realize.

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<v Speaker 1>No, absolutely, no one is immune to propaganda. That is

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<v Speaker 1>a great way of putting it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm happy that you used the word propaganda, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I really do think these AI generated, essentially menstrual

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<v Speaker 2>show videos are. I think it's not a surprise that

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<v Speaker 2>we are seeing them the same way that back in

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<v Speaker 2>the day, minstrel shows were very popular at a time

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<v Speaker 2>when there was an active campaign of attacking black folks

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<v Speaker 2>and saying they weren't smart enough and did not deserve

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<v Speaker 2>full citizenship, did not deserve rights. All of that I

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<v Speaker 2>think we're basically seeing the same thing today. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the rise of popularity of this kind of content is

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<v Speaker 2>against the backdrop of a very real attack on marginalized

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<v Speaker 2>people from this administration. You know, there was just this

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<v Speaker 2>very medipiece and ProPublica about how Trump and Musk their

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<v Speaker 2>goage stuff really was an attack on black women, specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>like black women with stable federal jobs totally, and that

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<v Speaker 2>these attacks essentially it was like you were able to

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<v Speaker 2>smear black women career civil servants as you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>were DEI hires, they were undeserving of these jobs, they

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<v Speaker 2>really just deserved to be fired. And you know, really

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<v Speaker 2>black women just became these easy targets for an administration

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<v Speaker 2>hostile to marginalized people. So if we have all of

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<v Speaker 2>that happening against the rise of this form of digital

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<v Speaker 2>media that is using AI to reaffirm these stereotypes about

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<v Speaker 2>black women that we aren't able to behave ourselves in

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<v Speaker 2>polite society, cannot figure out a way to solve conflicts

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<v Speaker 2>without resorting to violence, are loud and obnoxious. Then when

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<v Speaker 2>you hear about real life human black women getting pushed

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<v Speaker 2>out of their employment or attacked by this administration, you

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<v Speaker 2>might think, well, maybe it's for the best because they're

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<v Speaker 2>not suited for that work anyway, because the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>content that I have been consuming on TikTok, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think it just reaffirms this world of view that real

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<v Speaker 2>life human black folks are not self actualized human beings.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just a collection of tropes and stereotypes and caricatures.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what to say there, but I agree, yes, And.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think there's a kind of platform accountability question and.

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<v Speaker 3>All this because oh, most certainly. Yeah, Like, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Reason why we're seeing the rise of these videos is

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<v Speaker 2>because of the recent introduction of Google's VO three creator.

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<v Speaker 3>It came out about a.

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<v Speaker 2>Month ago and it's Google's latest AI video generation model,

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<v Speaker 2>and essentially it's designed to create these realistic looking videos

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<v Speaker 2>from text prompts. And the thing that kind of makes

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<v Speaker 2>it a step above is that you can incorporate things

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<v Speaker 2>like synchronized audio, dialogue, sound effects, me music. It is

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<v Speaker 2>really taken off with creators online who are using this

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<v Speaker 2>tool to create everything from.

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<v Speaker 3>These AI skits to AI influencers to AI muck.

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<v Speaker 2>Bangs you know where people eat tons and tons of food.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, this is so upsetting it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And then like another kind of offshoot of this is

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<v Speaker 2>you have people who use VO three to make content

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<v Speaker 2>like this and they get tons of use and then

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, oh, if you want to learn how to

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<v Speaker 2>make this yourself, pay me and I'll teach you how

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<v Speaker 2>to do it too. So it's like there's always a

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<v Speaker 2>weird like MLM grift in there somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the content creator classics, like a mid tier influencer.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not like that good at what they do, but

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<v Speaker 1>is able to supplement their income by offering courses to

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<v Speaker 1>people to teach them how to make similarly some subpar content.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's interesting that we've reached the full AI automation

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<v Speaker 1>aspect of this, right is this used to be a

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<v Speaker 1>big thing among like YouTubers. I was not aware that

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<v Speaker 1>this is now a thing among like AI TikTok influencers,

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<v Speaker 1>But that makes sense because this is like the easiest

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<v Speaker 1>thing to automate, So of course there's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>like an influx of people trying to make a quick

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<v Speaker 1>buck on racist AI slop.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes me so sad, and I do think, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean when I guess I would be curious how Google

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<v Speaker 2>feels about the fact that like this is what their.

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<v Speaker 3>Tool is being used for.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I wonder like if leaders have a sense that

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<v Speaker 2>this is harmful, not just harmful to black women like

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<v Speaker 2>me who are depicted in this kind of content, but

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<v Speaker 2>harmful for the Internet as a whole. It makes the

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<v Speaker 2>Internet experience worse for everybody. And I guess, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>I would imagine that like Google probably doesn't care that

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<v Speaker 2>this is what their their technology is being used for.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if I had a direct line to some Darbachi,

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<v Speaker 2>the head of Google, I would show him these clips

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<v Speaker 2>and say, like, is this what you had in mind

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<v Speaker 2>for Vo three or is this a misuse of this

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<v Speaker 2>tool that you just put out and unleashed on all

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<v Speaker 2>of us?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And are you going to dedicate some like millions

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars of research into stopping this from happening? No,

0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:04.640
<v Speaker 1>of course not, Like they're not going to build comprehensive

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<v Speaker 1>tools that prevent platform abuse like this, Like that's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen as long as people are using it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then people are hearing about it and it's spreading,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's that's what they want. If there happens to

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<v Speaker 1>be offensive use cases of it. If anything, That's good

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<v Speaker 1>because that drives engagement. It gets people to know about

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<v Speaker 1>the product.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's another one of the reasons why

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's you know, executive orders on AI.

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<v Speaker 3>That we saw early AI.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like, I will be the first person to

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<v Speaker 2>admit that we have very deep problems when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to AI. Anybody who listens to Better Offline knows this, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not a secret.

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<v Speaker 3>AI is often biased.

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<v Speaker 2>AI is often wrong because it is trained on us

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<v Speaker 2>humans the bias little bucks that we are right, and

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<v Speaker 2>so that shouldn't be a surprise to anybody. I also

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<v Speaker 2>will say, like, some of the solutions of how we

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<v Speaker 2>fix that are complex and not super simple.

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<v Speaker 3>But with Trump's executive order, he basically is.

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<v Speaker 2>Signing an order saying all AI must be objective, it

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<v Speaker 2>must adhere to the objective truth.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the United States. And it's like, well, who determines that?

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<v Speaker 1>Who who determines the objective truth of the United States?

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<v Speaker 3>The President?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you ask Trump, yes, him, And I

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<v Speaker 2>guess that's the thing that pisses me off is that

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<v Speaker 2>there actually are complex issues and problems when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to AI. But this executive order just is like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>the problem is is that it's woke. The solution is

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<v Speaker 2>me signing an executive order saying no woke in AI,

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<v Speaker 2>and rather than getting any kind of actual solution or

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<v Speaker 2>having the conversation, we just get fucking nonsense.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it is worrying for multiple levels, including the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that the president thinks he's the orbiter of objective

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<v Speaker 1>truth and it thinks he can legislate that or thinks

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<v Speaker 1>he can executive order that into being by either you know,

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<v Speaker 1>benefiting or punishing tech companies who follow his policies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean a spoiler alert for that executive order.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly what he saying. And you know you used

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<v Speaker 2>the word propaganda earlier, and that really is if there

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<v Speaker 2>was like a thesis statement of what I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>say in this episode, is that that is exactly what I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think is going on here.

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<v Speaker 2>It really does remind me of minstrel shows because even

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<v Speaker 2>though minstrel shows back in the nineteenth century were this

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<v Speaker 2>popular form of entertainment, it also was an entire manufacturing

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<v Speaker 2>enterprise where people made very good money selling racist blackface

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<v Speaker 2>figurines as novelties and all of that. David Pilgrim, the

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<v Speaker 2>founder of the Jim Crow Museum of Racist Memorabilia at

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<v Speaker 2>Farris State University in Michigan put it like this, They

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<v Speaker 2>were everyday objects which portrayed black people as ugly different

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<v Speaker 2>and fun to laugh at. They were, in a word, propaganda,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's exactly what's going on here, Like

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<v Speaker 2>people like to think about racism as if it's just

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<v Speaker 2>this thing that hangs in the air, as opposed to

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<v Speaker 2>a system that specific people are personally and intentionally perpetuating

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<v Speaker 2>because they are cashing in on it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't see how Google letting.

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<v Speaker 2>Creators use their tools to create content like this is

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<v Speaker 2>any different, Like, yeah, it's that is exactly what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on in my.

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<v Speaker 1>Book, that's flatly like that's just like one to one,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you're using tech to create like unreal depictions of

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<v Speaker 1>racist chriacatures, to please audiences, to reaffirm their own their

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<v Speaker 1>own biases, to reform their own racism, and you're monetizing

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<v Speaker 1>it and you're automating it to create hashtag viral moments

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's it's the most explicit and like gross blatant

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<v Speaker 1>form of this that I've like seen, Like I think

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<v Speaker 1>Robert a few years ago reported on people using AI

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<v Speaker 1>to like make like you know, like true crime videos

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<v Speaker 1>of like like like animating like victims of crimes or

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<v Speaker 1>like like murder victims and talking about how they were

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<v Speaker 1>killed or something, which is very gross and very very disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>But this sort of like organized like like racist video

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<v Speaker 1>propaganda stuff can lead to a lot more like actual,

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<v Speaker 1>like real world damage.

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<v Speaker 2>I completely agree. I mean those true crime videos, I

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<v Speaker 2>remember that. Imagine if your kid was murdered and then no.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so gross.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty years later someone is like, oh, I've made an

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<v Speaker 2>AI depiction of your murdered child telling their story.

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<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, it's it's evil. But I think the damage

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<v Speaker 1>that can do is is kind of limited. The damage

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<v Speaker 1>that this whole altered reality where racism can get affirmed

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<v Speaker 1>leads to I think a lot more actual, likely political

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<v Speaker 1>and personal consequences.

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<v Speaker 3>Completely agree.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also think just taking a step back in

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation about AI, we're all being told how the

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<v Speaker 2>proliferation of AI is going to be the lynchpin of

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<v Speaker 2>our economy. It's so important, it's going to change everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you actually look at some of these use

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<v Speaker 2>cases that are taking off, and it's like, well, was

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<v Speaker 2>this really worth all the fucking climate degradation to make

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<v Speaker 2>this racist AI version of a Bigfoot that looks like

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<v Speaker 2>a black woman.

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<v Speaker 1>No more rainforest, but at least we get racist bigfoot.

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<v Speaker 1>So oh my god, it well get it. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good place to end. Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for letting me rant at you about this. I really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Where else can people find your work? Bridget Well?

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<v Speaker 2>You can listen to my podcast There Are No Girls

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<v Speaker 2>on the Internet. You can listen to my other podcasts

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<v Speaker 2>with Mozilla Foundation about ethics in AI called IRL, and.

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<v Speaker 3>You can find me on Instagram at bridget Marine DC. Fantastic,

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