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Speaker 3: What you got on a Saturday?

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Speaker 4: Welcome to no Dogs here on the Athletic Podcast Network.

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Speaker 4: It's June twenty fourth. Oh man, I forgot. It was

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Speaker 4: National Hydration Day yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Hell first time drinking water, that's good, and.

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Speaker 4: for the next.

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Speaker 3: Better hydrate then July Vegas. No coffee, jd oh, I

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Speaker 3: can't promise that. Yeah, you're gonna be doing a lot

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Speaker 3: of work. That's a good point.

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Speaker 4: Now we will talk about all the transactions today because

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Speaker 4: there's transactions happening.

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Speaker 2: So we'll get to all the ones that.

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Speaker 4: Are happening over the last few days and to inform

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Speaker 3: We got all sail was a tree.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it came out of nowhere.

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Speaker 4: Drew Holiday Delta the Portland Trailblazers. No one saw this

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Speaker 4: coming in return Anthony Simons and two second round picks. Now,

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Speaker 4: this isn't going to happen officially for a few days,

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Speaker 4: so there could be some extra parts moving in, an

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Speaker 2: That being said, these guys are moving.

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Speaker 4: Drew Holliday is going to the Portland trail Blazers trade.

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Speaker 4: What do you think about this deal?

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Speaker 1: I think you nailed the tests. This came out of nowhere.

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Speaker 1: Very surprising to me. Not surprising. I think that Drew

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Speaker 1: tea leaves. You know that the Celtics trying to get

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised on one hand that the Celtics targeted Anthony Simons.

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Speaker 1: nice conversation with Chauncey Billups when he was traded to

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Speaker 1: So apparently Cronin and Brad Stevens had some nice chats

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Speaker 4: But now Drew, having done that, is going to Portland

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Speaker 4: That's totally understandable. But I think they're kind of taking

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's definitely value in having veteran leadership on these teams.

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Speaker 1: It's a more balanced backcourt rotation. I think adding Drew

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Speaker 1: Because what he's going to bring to the Celtics is

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Speaker 1: The defense is the question. On the other side, Anthony

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Speaker 1: Portland got better last season, but it wasn't because Simons

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Speaker 4: I don't even know if he starts the season with Boston,

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Speaker 4: and they may just look at this as a financial

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Speaker 4: sort of a step down effect, just keep on trading

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Speaker 4: At first, I thought, well, who's bidding for Drew Holliday

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Speaker 4: We've all sort of been fans of those teams in purgatory,

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Speaker 4: and it feels like the Blazers here are destined for that.

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Speaker 1: You can't say the Blazers are going young when they

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Speaker 1: It feels like both teams have moves to make. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: there that was even more. It was three years for

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Speaker 4: sixty via Schamp Scherini at ESPN, but it looks to

436
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Speaker 4: be three years and fifty four. So he has signed

437
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Speaker 4: for four more seasons with the Dallas Mavericks because that's

438
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Speaker 4: an extension after this coming season. What do you think

439
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Speaker 4: about this tray with Gafford staying in Dallas.

440
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Speaker 3: I think this is really good.

441
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Speaker 1: Actually, three years, fifty four million, that's eighteen million average

442
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 1: annual value for a guy who's a good starting center,

443
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,400
Speaker 1: a good backup center if Lively is healthy and takes

444
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Speaker 1: the spot from him, which he has at times. I

445
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 1: just kind of thought Daniel Gafford was going to be shopped.

446
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Speaker 1: I think he was going to be signing an extension

447
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 1: now because of the way the raises were structured. In

448
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 1: this extension, he's still trade eligible and maybe at twenty

449
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Speaker 1: seven years old, he plays both sides of the ball,

450
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Speaker 1: and now he's signed for three years. That might actually

451
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Speaker 1: increase his trade value. There are teams that would definitely

452
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Speaker 1: be interested in a Daniel Gafford, but it seemed to

453
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Speaker 1: me like he was going to be one of the

454
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Speaker 1: big trade targets of this offseason just because of the

455
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Speaker 1: lopsided nature of the way that the Mas are built

456
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Speaker 1: right now, where it seems like all of their players

457
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Speaker 1: are front court players, with Kyrie Irving being injured. There

458
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 1: in the back court, you got Davis coming back from injury,

459
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Speaker 1: Lively is going to be coming back from injury.

460
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Speaker 2: PJ.

461
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Speaker 3: Washington is there, and obviously they're going to draft Cooper

462
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Speaker 3: Flag tomorrow.

463
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Speaker 1: So that's a lot of guys who are in the

464
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Speaker 1: three to five position and that's most.

465
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Speaker 3: Of their money. They need a Drew Holliday type player.

466
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Speaker 1: But I think this is good Anthony Davis insurance and

467
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Speaker 1: the fact that he's still trade eligible, I think it's

468
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Speaker 1: really good. I think it's good for Gafford to get

469
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Speaker 1: a nice deal here. This is a good contract for him.

470
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Speaker 1: This is a good starting center money as well, and

471
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Speaker 1: if they decide to move him, they decide to move him,

472
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Speaker 1: and it's good for Dallas. So I think good business

473
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Speaker 1: for everybody.

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Speaker 3: Really.

475
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was pumped to read about this and seeing

476
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Speaker 4: those numbers, I thought, well, that is a very very

477
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Speaker 4: good number. Kudos to and Ego Harrison for making it happen.

478
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Speaker 4: It's assault.

479
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Speaker 3: Guy's pulling all the right moves.

480
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Speaker 2: He is, for sure.

481
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Speaker 4: I just thought it just made so much sense. So

482
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Speaker 4: I know this isn't Southern loyal a Southern lawyer worthy,

483
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Speaker 4: but is it Southern paralegal worthy of?

484
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Speaker 2: I mean it's not a trade though, sir.

485
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Speaker 3: We got our sales of trade.

486
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we got our sales a new contract.

487
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Speaker 4: Because that eighteen aav I love saying AV love saying that.

488
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,959
Speaker 4: I mean it makes sense. We saw all these bigs

489
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Speaker 4: on the Dallas Mavericks. Yes, there was the question, I've

490
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Speaker 4: got a d I've got Lively, Cooper's Kevin. Maybe it's

491
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Speaker 4: time to trade one of them, and it does make

492
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Speaker 4: them tradable. I don't think the Los Angeles Lakers are

493
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Speaker 4: getting Daniel Gafford. There's some talk about that, but I

494
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Speaker 4: don't think Nico Harrison gets back at the table at

495
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Speaker 4: that coffee shop and says, here you go, here's Daniel

496
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Speaker 4: Gafford at a ridiculous contract. He's twenty six years old.

497
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Speaker 4: He was bawling for a while there with Derek Lively

498
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Speaker 4: out and he was the guy and him and Anthony Davis.

499
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Speaker 4: It clicked when Davis got there that first game. That

500
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Speaker 4: was their incredible game that they played together, that one game,

501
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 4: and that game was sick. Everybody got hurt. Now I

502
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 4: say all those names, is there, is it inevitable that

503
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Speaker 4: one of those bigs gets dealt?

504
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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

505
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Speaker 4: I think we're going to see a giant team in Dallas.

506
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 4: I think whether it's Derek Glively or Daniel Gafford's starting,

507
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Speaker 4: depending off.

508
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: One of them is hurt.

509
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Speaker 4: Anthony Davis at the four and then Cooper at the three,

510
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 4: I think is what they go with. And Derek Lively

511
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 4: is such a good player, as so exciting to watch

512
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Speaker 4: him as a twenty one year old. Up being said,

513
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 4: he's only played in fifty five percent of the games

514
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 4: in his two year career. So I think as insurance,

515
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Speaker 4: you don't do that, you don't make a trade. But

516
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 4: they need guards desperately, So I don't know where it

517
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Speaker 4: comes from. I don't know where that addition comes from.

518
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Speaker 4: Because Kyrie's out, they really have one point guard and

519
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 4: Brandon Williams under contract, Dante ExM isn't under contract right now,

520
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 4: so I don't know where they go. But I mentioned

521
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 4: those small forward, power forward, and center spots.

522
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Speaker 2: I get excited.

523
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Speaker 4: I think the styles Maverick team obviously it's well, they

524
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 4: could be good. It is one of those things that

525
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Speaker 4: they could be injured because they're old. Anthony Davis is

526
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Speaker 4: thirty three, Clay still there at thirty six, But then

527
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Speaker 4: you're PJ. Washington, who obviously creates another glut there at

528
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Speaker 4: the bigs, and Max Christy. They're good players to be

529
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Speaker 4: potentially a good, solid team if they can get a

530
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Speaker 4: guard help. Where that comes from, I don't know, but

531
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Speaker 4: they're definitely ready to make some sort of deal. But

532
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Speaker 4: the PJ Washington probably makes more sense to me anyway.

533
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Speaker 1: You think he's possibly a gettable PJ Washington, Yeah, I

534
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Speaker 1: think so. I think it just doesn't seem like it

535
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Speaker 1: makes sense to carry all of these front court players

536
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,719
Speaker 1: going forward, because you wonder about their effectiveness not playing

537
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Speaker 1: with Luka Dancic and Kyrie Irving right if Kyrie's going

538
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: to miss the majority of next season, obviously Luka is

539
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: a Laker right now. A lot of the offense for

540
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 1: Gafford and Lively was lobs or plays created by those

541
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Speaker 1: two guys. So I think in the new CBA environment,

542
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Speaker 1: it's smart for teams to re sign their free agents

543
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Speaker 1: kind of.

544
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Speaker 3: No matter what. An eighteen million dollar contract is still tradable. PJ.

545
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Speaker 1: Washington still tradable, But right now everything's just bigger. In Texas,

546
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Speaker 1: they're going to be starting like three six foot ten

547
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: guys and another six to eight guy and then a

548
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Speaker 1: little bitty fed Van Vliet. You got a seven foot

549
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Speaker 1: five guy in San Antonio, and everybody who plays for

550
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: the Mavericks is a big guy at this point. So

551
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Speaker 1: if you are six foot eight and over, get yourself

552
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Speaker 1: to Texas.

553
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 2: Just get there. Everything is huge. It is true.

554
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 4: When you look at those three rosters, they're getting bigger.

555
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 4: Steven Adams coming off the bench in Houston.

556
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Speaker 2: They're there. Big ball is back.

557
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 4: Big ball is back, baby, and they do it well

558
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 4: and they just throw it up on the rim and

559
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 4: they miss it and then they just go grab it because

560
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 4: they're that good. Moving on to another transaction, a very

561
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 4: very small one, Chris Middleton picked up his player option

562
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Speaker 4: with the Washington Wizards. To be expected, this contract that

563
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 4: he signed with the Milwaukee Bucks years ago when they

564
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 4: were trying to keep the Yanis Vibes alive and the

565
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Speaker 4: Championship vibes alive. Pay him thirty three point three million

566
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Speaker 4: dollars this coming year, So why on earth would he

567
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 4: not take it as an option?

568
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: Right?

569
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was Ryan Roussillo. I think he's gonna pick

570
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Speaker 1: that one up. Shout out to the You Know Ball podcast.

571
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Speaker 1: It's just nice to remember that Chris Middleton's on the

572
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Speaker 1: Wizards sometimes. Yeah, I got no problem with veteran leadership.

573
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: I've caught, you know, after the way that the Sixers

574
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: process moment when they had basically no vets and they

575
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: didn't really turn into a real team until Embiid became

576
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Speaker 1: a player and you know, Ben Simmons was on his

577
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Speaker 1: way up. I just think it makes sense to have

578
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Speaker 1: guys who know how to play winning basketball.

579
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Speaker 3: That's why they did the Marcus Smart deal as well.

580
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Speaker 3: They're off.

581
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Speaker 1: They're getting you know, draft compensation for Middleton and the

582
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: Kuzma deal as well, so it makes sense they're cheap

583
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Speaker 1: basically everywhere else. Smart has a big deal, Jordan Poole

584
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: has a big deal, But you can afford thirty three

585
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: million dollars for Chris Middleton, and who knows how well

586
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: he plays with the Wizards this season. Maybe they're able

587
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: to ship him out at the trade deadline again to

588
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Speaker 1: a team that is competing and can toss him a

589
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Speaker 1: few second round draft picks first or something like that.

590
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Speaker 1: So I think the Wizards have done a pretty good

591
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: job of tearing things down after the Bradley Beal era ended.

592
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: They're on the come up right now. They still need

593
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: a star. Hopefully they're able to get one in the draft,

594
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: but the way Hill lottery went a problem for them.

595
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: But right now they've got a smart guy in Chris Middleton.

596
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: He's going to show them how to be professionals. He's

597
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: going to hit some big shots. When they're winning their

598
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: twenty five games during the season, he'll be instrumental in

599
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Speaker 1: those victories, I think.

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Speaker 3: So I like this deal. And you know, thirty three

601
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 3: million dollars they ain't nothing to sneeze at if you're

602
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Speaker 3: Chris Middleton.

603
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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. You're totally right there.

604
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Speaker 4: They're not paying other guys too much money, so it

605
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 4: sure makes sense to keep that guy around, who was

606
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 4: there for the second half and was a very good

607
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 4: vet and showed flashes of being good to help them

608
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 4: just grow a little bit. But you do bring up

609
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 4: a good point. Let's say he is playing decently well

610
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 4: as he did a little bit late in the season,

611
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: somebody who may say, hey, we can take you on.

612
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 4: Not to insult Chris Middleton in what he does, but

613
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 4: it's a similar thing that happened to Gordon Hayward when

614
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Speaker 4: he went from Charlotte to Okay. See it did not

615
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 4: work out in Okay. See that being said, they played him.

616
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 4: They were looking for a guy. So that could be

617
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 4: a situation. And since I'm seeing all these little reports,

618
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Speaker 4: I just want to include them here. We've got the

619
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Speaker 4: Celtics reportedly are trying to continue to trade Christaps Porzingis

620
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Speaker 4: from our guys, Jay King at the Athletic And I

621
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Speaker 4: did want to mention one guy about Daniel Gafford. I

622
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 4: forgot or one team that could acquire and would want

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Speaker 4: to acquire Daniel Gafford. It could be the Pelicans. They

624
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Speaker 4: just lack a big I know, even me, Seed had

625
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 4: a decent rookie year, but.

626
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Speaker 3: He's not that big. But he's not huge, you know.

627
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and Gafford, I mean those numbers I didn't want

628
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 4: to mention them, but they're really good for it was

629
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Speaker 4: a month. But let's say, let's say he's in New Orleans.

630
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Speaker 4: He doesn't have to play forty minutes. He's not asked

631
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Speaker 4: to be the starting guy who's going to be this star.

632
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Speaker 4: He was great with like you said, with Luca and

633
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 4: even without him this past year late in the season.

634
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 4: He needs guys just setting it up for him. But again,

635
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 4: he doesn't have to be a superstar. So it could

636
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 4: work with the Pelicans who are probably at the table

637
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 4: and looking at trade guys here in these next two

638
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Speaker 4: days at the draft where they the front offices have

639
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 4: an extra day to talk, and yeah, that I think

640
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 4: the Pelicans would be looking. They have so many guys

641
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Speaker 4: now to be dealt like we can talk, you know,

642
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 4: Jontay Murray, c J McCombe, and he goes on and

643
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 4: on and on. So that's a potential potential move there

644
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 4: for the Dallas Mavericks and the Pelicans if they can

645
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Speaker 4: get to the table.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they seem like the Pelicans seem like a team

647
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Speaker 1: that's going to be active this week. You know, all

648
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Speaker 1: the reporters told us this is going to be an

649
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Speaker 1: active trade season, specifically because there's not a ton of

650
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Speaker 1: cap space out there, so maybe free agency in that

651
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Speaker 1: way will be a little bit muted. But trades are

652
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: definitely happening. We've had Kevin Durant, I've had Drew Holliday,

653
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: We've had Desmond Bane just like that. More guys could

654
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: be moved. I saw people mentioning a return to Chicago

655
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: for Daniel Gafford as well.

656
00:30:59,080 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 3: I'll take him.

657
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: Mavswana, Nikolavuovic. How about a big they can shoot? They

658
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: don't have any shooting right now.

659
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: Hmm. Interesting, Well you mentioned Kevin Durant.

660
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 4: Let's take another look at that trade and how it

661
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 4: all shakes down for both sides. Katie dealt to the

662
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 4: Houston Rockets for Jalen Green, Dylan Brooks, a number ten

663
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 4: pick and five second round picks. A day later here, Trey,

664
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 4: I guess it's two days later. Now, how are you feeling?

665
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 4: Because Vegas and everywhere here from bet MGM have got

666
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 4: the Rockets way up in the odds to win the

667
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 4: twenty twenty.

668
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: Six NBA title.

669
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 4: They're literally tied for second the second best odds, tied

670
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 4: with the Cleveland Cavaliers behind the Oklahoma City thunder.

671
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: Is that crazy?

672
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

673
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's crazy.

674
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: That's Vegas preying on people's mindset there. Whoa Kevin Durant

675
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: went to a second seed. They gotta be a championship.

676
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: So you're gonna get some bets down, I suppose. But

677
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: to me, it's unlikely that you go from winning zero

678
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: series to winning four series, especially in the Western Conference.

679
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: But I still love this trade for Houston. Major upgrade

680
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: for the Rockets. I think, you know Skeets asked what

681
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: tier I would put them on after this trade, and

682
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: I said, just a little bit behind the Nuggets in

683
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: a separate tier, like a two and a half kind

684
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: of tier. I think maybe they're actually closer to the

685
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,239
Speaker 1: Nuggets than I'm giving them credit for. Before Denver has

686
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: really had a chance to do anything this postseason. I

687
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: just love that they kept their future intact. They can

688
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: trade their own picks now. They still got contracts that

689
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: could be moved if they wanted to. They also kept

690
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: those Suns picks, which could continue to be juicy. They're

691
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: gonna need guards, but I think what they're mixing up

692
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: is pretty nice in Houston. I'm excited to see Ben

693
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: shepperd or sorry, Reed Shepherd, get a little bit of

694
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: an opportunity because he's going to become important for this team.

695
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: Third overall draft pick wasn't really able to get on

696
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: the court this year because didn't bring a lot defensively

697
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: and there was a couple of guards ahead of him

698
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: in Dylan Brooks and Jalen Green.

699
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 3: Fred Van Dlittz still there, but there's an opportunity for

700
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: him now.

701
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: Kind of come around on things a little bit for

702
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: Phoenix a little bit. I think they did as good

703
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: as they could have given the leverage. And according to

704
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: Brian Windhorst, basically Kevin Durant made his way to Houston

705
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: turning down any sort of trade off for Miami. Was

706
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: never serious about this. They refused to put khalil Ware

707
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: in the deal, so shut that one down. They wouldn't

708
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: even put Jovic or Hakes into this deal, so that

709
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: wasn't going to happen for Miami. San Antonio apparently didn't involved.

710
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: Minnesota wanted him, but Kevin Durant said no way. So

711
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: if you're the Suns, you're like, hey, we got two starters.

712
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: One of them is a young guy with upside, and

713
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: we got a lottery pick now you just got to

714
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: nail the number ten draft pick, and I don't know

715
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: if that's going to happen. But they got a new GM,

716
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: so maybe there's a little bit of hope in Phoenix.

717
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: But I still think this is a big time win

718
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: for the Rockets.

719
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 4: Yes, a very new GM in that he has no experience,

720
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 4: so who knows. Yeah, yeah, the Phoenix side is interesting.

721
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 4: From the Kevin Durant side, I am. I'm excited about

722
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 4: him on Houston that needs a number one offensive option

723
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 4: because Kevin Durant lives for that. That's what he is,

724
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 4: that's who he is. And so to hear him at

725
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 4: that fanatics fest when he was asked about it, as

726
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 4: it just happened, he was asked about it, he said, quote,

727
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 4: they had a great season last year, loved their leadership.

728
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 4: I felt like I'd be a good addition. So he's

729
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 4: basically saying I felt like that means I told him.

730
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 2: I'd like that, I'd like that there.

731
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 4: Yes, And when he says, you know, I love their leadership,

732
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 4: it means they were a good, hard playing team. They

733
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 4: were the fourth best defense, They played extremely hard that

734
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 4: needed somebody to score. So the fit is perfectly I

735
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 4: thought Miami could be that type where they were a

736
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 4: pretty good defense but they needed another score. But Houston

737
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 4: is an absolute perfect fit. So I guess they won

738
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 4: the package offers in terms of what they were willing

739
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 4: to give up versus like you mentioned the Miami heat,

740
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 4: if they weren't willing to give up Kalil where. But

741
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 4: I can understand from Kevin Durant's perspective why he'd want

742
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 4: to be there and be the guy and shoot and

743
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 4: shoot and shoot, because he was ridiculously efficient last year.

744
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 4: He was stupid good in comparison to the guys that

745
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 4: the Rockets were thrown out there. Now, the whole Minnesota

746
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 4: thing was also reportedly a place that he didn't want

747
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 4: to go. That could be just because of the makeup there,

748
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 4: and he didn't want a similar scenario. I know it's

749
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 4: not Golden State, but a scenario where they were successful.

750
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 4: I mean, they went to two conference finals and maybe

751
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 4: not to be as much of the guy with Minnesota

752
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 4: as he would be with the Houston Rockets.

753
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: So it just it feels it feels so good.

754
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 4: If there's any criticism of Kevin Durant in his career

755
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 4: is that sometimes the locker room doesn't work out, and

756
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 4: so now you got one in Houston with a coach

757
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 4: that is a hard nosed guy. Ime Udoka just got

758
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 4: his extension. That team is going to be so good

759
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 4: around him. Then the names are so good as you

760
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 4: even get excited for Reed Shepherd. I keep watching that

761
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 4: G League game that he had, he dropped forty nine.

762
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 4: I mean he was looking good obviously, But the guys

763
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 4: that you could just put around Kevin Durant, the length

764
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 4: is gonna be ridiculous. As you said, it's so much

765
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 4: bigger in Houston. A Men Thompson, I'm Atari Easton fan.

766
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 4: So those two guys with Fred and Shanoon and it

767
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 4: goes on and on and on with that team.

768
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 2: So it's it's gonna be tough to play those dudes.

769
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 3: Do you think they would start Easton over Jabari Smith?

770
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good question. I think they could go

771
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 4: both ways. Yeah, which one?

772
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 3: Eastan has generally been their bench guy.

773
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: He has.

774
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: You know, Smith went to the bench after he broke

775
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: his hand last year, and that's when A Men Thompson

776
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: kind of took off and took his starting role.

777
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 3: So they didn't mess with it going forward. I think

778
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 3: it'll be. I think it'll be Smith.

779
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: I think he'll be the fifth starter there, but they

780
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: could go Eastan and definitely he's gonna be a big

781
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: part of their team regardless, like he'll be one of

782
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: their top eight guys. And as we saw with the Thunder,

783
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: as we saw with the Pacers, you need eight guys

784
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: right now at least to make it through the entirety

785
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: of the postseason. The fit is just so nice with

786
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, it makes so much more sense than Minnesota.

787
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: I think the fit would have been okay with Minnesota

788
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: depending on how they did the deal, but it could

789
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: have cost him go Baar, and that's kind of a

790
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: non starter. I think if you're Minnesota, otherwise it maybe

791
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: would have cost him McDaniels.

792
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 3: That's also probably a non starter.

793
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: The only way they would have done it is if

794
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: it was for Randall and de Vincenzo, and even then

795
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 1: they're much shallower than the Rockets are, so opportunity for Eason,

796
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: opportunity for Shepherd, opportunity for Whitmore. Those guys definitely need

797
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: to take a step forward if they're going to be

798
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: the second best team in the Western Conference with a

799
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: chance in the playoffs.

800
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: I mean, they did lose in the first round this year.

801
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 3: Part of the reason was because they didn't have a

802
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 3: go to option.

803
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: I think they lost three clutch games against the Warriors

804
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: in that series. And now they got a guy and

805
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant who's gonna take the clutch shots.

806
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: It's going to be on.

807
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: Ime Udoka to get everybody on the same page offensively

808
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: and to figure out the right way to balance shots

809
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: between Durant and she Goon, letting him and Thompson create,

810
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: letting Fred van Vliet do his thing.

811
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 3: They also got to sign Fred van Vliet.

812
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: He'll probably he'll probably say no to his team option

813
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: and sign him for a longer deal with a little

814
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: bit less money. They got some stuff to do still,

815
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: I think Houston but just worked out perfectly for them.

816
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: This was probably the ideal scenario. You know, hard fought,

817
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: seven game series, We figure out where our flaws are

818
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: and make a move to sort of address those going forward.

819
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: What do you think about the Phoenix side of.

820
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 4: Things, Yeah, it's so interesting from the Phoenix side, because

821
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 4: from the Rocket side, all right, we'll give up Dylan

822
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 4: Brooks because we've got all these defensive parts. Tarry Easton,

823
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 4: you're in there. I mean, Thompson, you're playing more. Jalen

824
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 4: Green has definitely potential to get even better. And forget

825
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 4: about how old Kevin Durant is. Right now, you replace

826
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 4: him or you replace, yes, Jalen Green with Kevin Durant.

827
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 4: The offense is clicking what they're looking at in the books.

828
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 4: They gave up the number ten. Pick ye here and

829
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 4: Jalen Green now with the Phoenix Suns is the question

830
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 4: is can he and Devin Booker play together or are

831
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 4: the Phoenix Suns just gonna continuously look for another place

832
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 4: to trade Jalen Green and I think they're gonna give

833
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 4: it a shot. I think Jordan Ought, who came from

834
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 4: under Kenny Atkinson, who made Darius Garland and Donovan Mitchell

835
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 4: work really well together, I think he's gonna try and

836
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 4: make those two guys work together. Now they're bigs, are.

837
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: Not Jared Allen and Evan Mobley, but they're gonna try.

838
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 4: They're gonna try and get in also Igudaro to make

839
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 4: some magic happen.

840
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: I suppose they have, you know, the Ryan Dune thing.

841
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 2: They'll try.

842
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 4: But I do think Jordan Nott is coming here and

843
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 4: trying to emulate a little bit of other situations with

844
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 4: with their guards. As I said, you know from under

845
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 4: Kenny Atkinson. It just it just sort of makes sense

846
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 4: to me that they're gonna try Jalen Green. Can he

847
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 4: and Devin Booker share the ball and do it well.

848
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 4: Jalen Green did have some fantastic moments in that series

849
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 4: against the Golden State Warriors and some bad ones. He

850
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 4: had that thirty eight point games, six assists, and those

851
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 4: six assists are the key for me because he was

852
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 4: able to find Aman Thompson on the cuts and if

853
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 4: he and Booker can work together, I think unlike Houston

854
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 4: where other teams where the Warriors were able to just

855
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 4: take him out they had Buddy Hill just buddy heell buddy,

856
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 4: He'll take out and take him out. The other teams

857
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 4: definitely have to focus a little bit more on Devin

858
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 4: Booker than what Houston had to have be focused on,

859
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 4: you know, beside Jalen Green. So there is that, there

860
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 4: is that bonus the fact that Houston has more guys.

861
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 4: Excuse me, the Phoenix Suns do have more guys than

862
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 4: the Houston did. In the back court. I know Fred

863
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 4: was shooting from the outside. But he isn't Devin Booker,

864
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 4: and so they're gonna try. They're gonna try and get

865
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 4: Jalen Green to be not only just Hey, I'm an

866
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 4: ISO guy. I'm going to create, I'm going to pass

867
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 4: and we are going to be this type of team

868
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 4: under Jordan not that gets everybody involved. Will that work?

869
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 4: It's a fair question. But Jalen Green had a freaking

870
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 4: good regular season. He was a very good player again

871
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 4: in the regular season. It slowed down in the playoffs

872
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 4: against Golden State Wars, but he was pretty solid in

873
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 4: that regular season. He can go through lots of positives.

874
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 4: He plays a lot. He plays, Yeah, he plays every game.

875
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 4: So you're going to try and make it work more

876
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 4: and more. I know you weren't a Jalen Green fan, No,

877
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 4: but are you coming around to what they could do.

878
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 4: I suppose with Jalen Green and Devin Booker.

879
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 2: I mean it's.

880
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 4: If we're going to them up against the Portland Trail Blazers,

881
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 4: I'm probably picking the Blazers in what they could be.

882
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 3: Ahead of the Suns.

883
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't have the Suns don't have the depth.

884
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 4: So we're talking about two guys here.

885
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 3: They got shooting guard depth.

886
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: They have shooting guard depths.

887
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: Even of their ten players under contract right now are

888
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: shooting guards. If you're trying to be optimistic about Jalen Green,

889
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: you look at the athleticism first, and he does have

890
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: a jump shot, but he's the kind of guy who

891
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: if he's going to shoot forty percent from three, it's

892
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 1: going six for ten one game and two for ten

893
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: the next game and taking the exact same shots. He

894
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily have the greatest feel, But he also hasn't

895
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: played next to a perimeter guy like Devin Booker, who

896
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: will get the number one assignments, who will be the

897
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: primary ball handler. It will be a little easier for

898
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: Jalen Green to create on the second side, assuming he's

899
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: the starting shooting guard. I don't know if that's even

900
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,959
Speaker 1: a guarantee right Like, they still have Bradley Beal. There's

901
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: been reporting from John Gambadoro that somehow, some way, Beal will.

902
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: Not be a Sun next season.

903
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: Maybe they buy him out, maybe they somehow find a

904
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: trade with this tenth pick. I think that would be

905
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: pretty short sighted to attach the tenth pick to Bradley

906
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: Beal just to get off the deal. But it could

907
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: be Booker point guard, Beal, shooting guard, Brooks small forward, Green,

908
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: sixth man. It could be Green point guard, Beal, shooting guard, Booker,

909
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: small forward. It's it's odd. It just doesn't really make

910
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: sense to me. Grayson Allen is still there, Royce O'Neil

911
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: is still there. Those seem like tradable guys to me

912
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: now that they've brought in Jalen.

913
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 3: Green, I don't know, uh.

914
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: To me, Green his peak is like a Zachlavine type player.

915
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: But Zachlavin made a lot of improvements in the first

916
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: few years of his career. He got a lot stronger,

917
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: got a lot better finishing inside. Jalen Green looks like

918
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: the exact same guy that came out of the G

919
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: League night. I don't know if he's lifted a weight

920
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: since he got to the NBA. He just looks so

921
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: so skinny, and the team is so unbalanced right now.

922
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: The Suns have a lot more work to do. They

923
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: kind of think they'll keep Jalen Green more so than

924
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: I did when they first pulled the trade, just because

925
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: there's got to be a way for them to have

926
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: some sort of future going forward. They're getting their cap

927
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: a little bit more under control here. They're trying to

928
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: get some draft picks under control. Here, they're mostly going

929
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: to be end of the first rounders. After they did

930
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: that trade their future pick for three late ones deal

931
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: last season that didn't end up netting them anything.

932
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 3: So I don't know. The team doesn't make sense.

933
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: It's like if you could put together the Suns and

934
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: the Mavericks, you would have the perfect number of front

935
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: court and backcourt players.

936
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 3: Unfortunately they're both lopsided.

937
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: Yes, they are very much lip sided.

938
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 4: I definitely think Jalen Green starts beside Devin Booker and

939
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 4: then they just dream about a team that wants to

940
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 4: take on Bradley Beal because that's the problem. Obviously he's

941
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 4: got the trade restriction. They could just buy him out,

942
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 4: I suppose because mattishbia I wouldn't be surprised if he

943
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 4: is that type of guy to say, we need to

944
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 4: change this thing, as he said the last couple of years,

945
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 4: So let's just write your check.

946
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: It's going to be a monster check.

947
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 4: It's going to be the biggest buyout in NBA history

948
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 4: if it does happen. The guy is basically guaranteed one

949
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 4: hundred and ten million over the next two years. That's

950
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 4: a lot of money, a lot of money. So it

951
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 4: may even be cheaper to do the buyout versus the

952
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 4: trade because it's there's a fifteen percent trade kicker, and

953
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 4: Phoenix would be the one that would have to take

954
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 4: it on, I assume, But you can't even I'm the

955
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 4: positive guy, but I can't even formulate an idea of

956
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 4: some team that wants to take him.

957
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: Now.

958
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 4: It would have to could be a third team and

959
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 4: just taking on salary, but the salary is so big

960
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 4: it would have to work out really well for them

961
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 4: in the in the reception, the receiving team, we would

962
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 4: have to say, Okay, we want to get rid of somebody,

963
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 4: and we'll get a third team involved. And so there

964
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 4: has to be has to be contracts that other teams

965
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 4: that don't want. And again Bradley be Bil has to

966
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 4: say yes yeah, because he's in a trade restriction area.

967
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 4: I don't see a good team saying or one player away,

968
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 4: like we just talked about Chris Middleton.

969
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: We're close.

970
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 4: We need somebody we'll take on this fifty three million

971
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 4: dollars deal that's guaranteed this coming year.

972
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: It seems crazy. It just doesn't seem like it's gonna worry.

973
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 2: It's not worth it. He's not close enough.

974
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 4: And if you're a good team, you don't have the

975
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 4: money to go back the other way because those guys

976
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 4: get that are getting paid that much are doing good

977
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 4: things for your team.

978
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: So it's very unlikely.

979
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty unlikely.

980
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: I saw some rumors that maybe a Wizard's reunion could

981
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: happen for Bradley Beal. I guess they do have the

982
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: Middleton contract, which gets you sixty percent of the way

983
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: to Bradley Beal's gigantor one. I had a dream once

984
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: upon a time of trading injured Damian Lillard for not

985
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: injured Bradley Beal, but that seems like it doesn't make

986
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: any sense for Phoenix right now because they wouldn't get

987
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: anything from Lillard this season, and then they just traded

988
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,479
Speaker 1: for Jalen Green, So like, what are you doing?

989
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: You need to get somebody. I don't know.

990
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: This number ten pick, though, seems like a huge deal

991
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: to me for Phoenix. Sure, getting a lottery pick is big.

992
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: They need a little youth, They need a cheaper contract

993
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: on their books for a long time, somebody that they

994
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: have financial control over going forward, and they just got

995
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: to pick the right guy and hope that he can

996
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: actually contribute this season. Like I'm sure Malawatch would be

997
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: good for them, but the dude's twenty years old. You know,

998
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: he's not going to be a huge contributor. But they

999
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 1: could use an upgrade over Nick Richards, I do believe.

1000
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I am very interested to see what that entire

1001
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 4: organization does because, as I mentioned, they're GM Brian Gregory

1002
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 4: doesn't have any experience running a front offense. He's been

1003
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 4: there for a couple of years sort of as this

1004
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 4: consultant to be around. Mattispa has brought him around to

1005
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 4: hang out and we'll see what they want to do.

1006
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 4: Because Hbia is so much of a guy who does

1007
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 4: have his hands on things, does want to make things

1008
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 4: happen immediately, and you have a number ten pick. I

1009
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 4: suppose it could garner back some sort of deal, some

1010
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 4: sort of player to come back if they want to

1011
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 4: get good right now, but it doesn't really make sense.

1012
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 4: It doesn't make any sort of sense, any short term sense.

1013
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 4: So TVD maybe who knows who would come back in

1014
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 4: the deal, but it makes more sense to just keep

1015
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 4: the guy and keep it going, and we'll see what

1016
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 4: Jordan not can do a lot of experience as an

1017
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 4: assistant coach in the NBA, so we'll see his first

1018
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 4: head coaching experience and what he can do with again

1019
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 4: Jalen Green and Devin Booker being the one, two, and

1020
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 4: three and four and five option on that Team's that's

1021
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 4: who they are. As you said, Nick Richard's I mentioned Igodaro,

1022
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 4: Ryan done like.

1023
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: A rotation guy. I think Ryan dunns a rotation guy.

1024
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: But I don't know if you want him starting necessary

1025
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: right though? They don't need the ball all that much

1026
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem like there's gonna be a lot

1027
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 1: of shots to go around after accounting for the back

1028
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: court in Phoenix. It'll be interesting to see if sending

1029
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: Beal to the bench again is enough to get him

1030
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: angry enough to be okay, he's a trade anywhere, right.

1031
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: They tried that last season. They're like, it ain't going well,

1032
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: You're going to the bench. Maybe that will make you

1033
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: upset enough that you're okay leaving.

1034
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 3: But why would he?

1035
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: Yes, why would He's got this gigantic contract, he gets

1036
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: to pick wherever he wants to live, and if he

1037
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: gets traded if he finally says yes, he gets another

1038
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: fifteen percent money. Yeah, this guy's got the best contract

1039
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: in NBA history. From a player perspective, I don't know

1040
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: if he would say so if you are a team.

1041
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 4: No, no, this is going to be the biggest biot

1042
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 4: in NBA history. I gotta think that it's gonna happen.

1043
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 4: I went through the numbers and Blake Griffin got out

1044
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 4: of Detroit when they wanted to move on, but he

1045
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 4: was also done way later in the season, and so

1046
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 4: the numbers aren't even close to what Bradley Beal would get.

1047
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 2: But you could be right. They could say go to the.

1048
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 4: Bench, we'll figure this out, and then he could just

1049
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 4: be mad a couple months in and say I'm done.

1050
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 4: I want to go play somewhere and where I could

1051
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 4: get more minutes and be more of a guy, because

1052
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 4: it really doesn't make sense now with Booker and Jalen Green.

1053
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 4: So I am looking forward to seeing what happens there

1054
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 4: over the next even a couple of days, where anybody

1055
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 4: goes over the next couple of days.

1056
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 2: We'll be here monitoring it.

1057
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 4: We may jump in if there's an emergency deal or trade,

1058
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 4: but as of right now, the plan is we'll come

1059
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 4: back Thursday after the draft, take Wednesday off. Unless something happens,

1060
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,479
Speaker 4: then we got to jump in because exactly because stuff

1061
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 4: could happen.

1062
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: Janni's trade seems pretty unlikely. But at this point with

1063
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: the reporting and you know, just John is basically saying,

1064
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: I want to make it back to the finals with

1065
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: Milwaukee and all the injuries in the Eastern Conference, like

1066
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: the Bucks have to be sort of happy. I mean,

1067
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: they're one of the teams that had an injury. But

1068
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: if they get somebody to help out Giannis, could they

1069
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: make a surprise run to the conference finals.

1070
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 3: And then who knows what happens.

1071
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: I guess that's potential ten years in Phoenix for Devin Booker.

1072
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: He's extension eligible ten years. But they didn't make the

1073
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: playoffs last season. I think it'll be hard for them

1074
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: to make it back to the playoffs this season. Yeah,

1075
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: you gotta start wondering when he starts looking around and

1076
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: then maybe Phoenix starts calling again.

1077
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey, you know.

1078
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 3: We talked to Booker a few times. Mm hmm, you

1079
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 3: want to get back in on it. We'll see, we

1080
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 3: shall see.

1081
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 4: That's the beauty of having two days at the draft.

1082
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 4: All these front office people have lots of time, lots

1083
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 4: of hangouts to discuss these potential options, especially with the

1084
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 4: new CBA. That's why it seems like things could be

1085
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 4: happening more and more these next two days.

1086
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 3: That's crazy.

1087
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 1: The thunder one a championship like five minutes ago. Yeah,

1088
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: next season started. Let's talk trades wild times, but should

1089
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: make for an entertaining first round of the draft.

1090
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 3: We got a two day draft, buddy.

1091
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 2: You excited? Yes, yeah, I'm excited.

1092
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 4: I wish I was a fly on the wall with

1093
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 4: these front office people just to just to hear the

1094
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 4: talks that don't materialize into a trade.

1095
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 2: But they're there, you know, the are there. It's fun.

1096
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure.

1097
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things is always like the post trade,

1098
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: here's what we offered and didn't get. You know, it's

1099
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: like Danny Aingel is the king of that. Pat Riley

1100
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: is the king of that.

1101
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 3: We were going for him so hard.

1102
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's what.

1103
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: That's what the Miami thing with Kevin Durant feels like.

1104
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: They're like, Kevin Durant is available, we should be in

1105
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: on this because we are the Miami Heat and that's.

1106
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 3: What we do.

1107
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: So we're gonna be in the mix by offering our

1108
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: worst players and the guys that you do not want.

1109
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: But at least we're talking. It was like Wiggins and

1110
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: Rose Ear that's crazy.

1111
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was great.

1112
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 3: Surprising that the Sun said, no.

1113
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 2: You love your Andrew Wiggins.

1114
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: Uh. I think I probably would rather got Andrew Wiggins

1115
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: than Jalen Green, but have Jayalen Green than Terry Rozier.

1116
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 4: Interesting, all right, we gotta do a show tomorrow. Wagons

1117
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 4: or Green, that's our whole show.

1118
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 2: Or Terry Rozier.

1119
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's quiet right now, we've gotten to everything.

1120
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 4: Only other news that the New York Knicks continue interviewing

1121
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 4: people for their head coach. Micah Nori, who's been around

1122
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 4: as an assistant for a long time, is being interviewed.

1123
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 4: That's all we got. We've covered everything. I like what

1124
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 4: James Edwards said about Mike and Nory. He's a great

1125
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 4: basketball mind and better personality. He would be so good

1126
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 4: on the mic in New York.

1127
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 3: Very quotable.

1128
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 2: Man.

1129
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 3: The relationship with Karl Anthony Towns.

1130
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: Nice connection, very nice.

1131
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 4: We shall see all right, unless an emergency happens, we

1132
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 4: will see you Thursday.

1133
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 2: But for now, Cliffer Gross, I forgot about the shirt.

1134
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 2: I forgot about the shirt.

1135
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 3: JD. You want to go shirt first?

1136
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you go to no Dunks dot com to get

1137
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: this incredible shirt. We've got what thirteen hours left? Maybe

1138
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 1: it's eleven o'clock Eastern time.

1139
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so go get that.

1140
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 3: How buff that guy looks. You can even see no

1141
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 3: Dunks on the basketball right there. Very cool.

1142
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: But for now.

1143
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 3: Now, Clipper bros. Now, okay, you heard it here first,

1144
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 3: have a great time, turn up. Love you guys, awesome.

1145
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us.

1146
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 1: And remember, if you say you're monitoring the NBA off season,

1147
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: you can scroll your phone all day because it sounds

1148
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: like work. We're gonna be monitoring things today.

1149
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 4: We're gonna be monitoring them and now from now on,

1150
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 4: when I want the Clipper bros.

1151
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 2: JD. I know I got to say, Clipper Bros.

1152
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 4: The guys, I know you're waiting, and I just say,

1153
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 4: but for now, I think I think they come.

1154
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: That's you know, But for now we'll be monitoring. We'll

1155
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 2: see a Thursday. Oops,