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Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of Drama Queens. Um. We just
Speaker 1: watched the worst episode so far. Let's just cut cut
Speaker 1: to the chase. Need wine. Yeah, listen, we're all opening
Speaker 1: bottles of wine because it's two. We are drinking to bear.
Speaker 1: This was episode sixteen. It was called first Cut is
Speaker 1: the Deepest, and it's a deep, nasty cut. I'm embarrassed
Speaker 1: that this is the episode. We had Cheryl Crow come
Speaker 1: on like she had read this script. We were so
Speaker 1: excited when we saw the title for this episode because
Speaker 1: we're like, yeah, it's the sheet throw up episode. It
Speaker 1: aired March second of two thousand four. The synopsis is
Speaker 1: that Nathan must choose which parent to live with after
Speaker 1: Dan and Deb's divorce, and Lucas meets a newcomer who
Speaker 1: has deeper ties to Tree Hill than expected. Um, this
Speaker 1: is going to be a long pore friends, hold on, Yeah,
Speaker 1: concidentally we are drinking our fit vine wine. Thanks guys.
Speaker 1: So this Yeah, this was an embarrassing episode. Um. And
Speaker 1: we got a lot of information that we've been looking for,
Speaker 1: but boy did we have to We got one We
Speaker 1: got one piece of information we've been looking for, and
Speaker 1: we got a lot of repeat exposition. This was like
Speaker 1: an entire episode that could have been condensed into two scenes.
Speaker 1: I feel like there was nothing new. We didn't learn
Speaker 1: anything new. It was dripping with misogyny while we were
Speaker 1: watching the episode, and um, we we introduced this new
Speaker 1: character played by Emmanuel who we all love, but it
Speaker 1: was just seemed kind of so random. And then of
Speaker 1: course we learned at the end, um that she's Jenny's mom.
Speaker 1: But that piece of information plus the dead piece we're
Speaker 1: really the only things that we got out of this
Speaker 1: episode is so strange to me. Oh and the Dan
Speaker 1: at the Dan and Keith contract thing. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: so just like blip. We'll we'll get into all of it. Um.
Speaker 1: I I have trouble with this episode so much, and
Speaker 1: we're going to get into it. I think it's important
Speaker 1: to remember it was two thousand four at this point,
Speaker 1: and the rules for what boys did on TV was very,
Speaker 1: very different back then. So so for all the people
Speaker 1: out there that are like, now you're making fun of Lucas,
Speaker 1: first of all, he's terrible in this episode. But second
Speaker 1: of all, we are looking at this through a lens
Speaker 1: of and we are grown up ladies and we are
Speaker 1: allowed to just wag our finger at this. It is gross,
Speaker 1: So let's let's get into it. This felt to me
Speaker 1: like the height and this was, as you said, Hillary,
Speaker 1: this is the height of trying to compete with Gossip
Speaker 1: Girl and the OC when they were on the air. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this salacious um there was. It seemed like maybe not
Speaker 1: a lot of effort put into the dialogue um, which
Speaker 1: is frustrating. You can tell in the first scene when
Speaker 1: we're all in the quad and I think none of
Speaker 1: us are really I'm not committing to my dialogue. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to say these words because if I don't
Speaker 1: say them, then we've got to do it again. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they're so clunky and weird, and it's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just some strange scripting. I mean, listen, everybody for you
Speaker 1: guys who are listening along, and you're like, oh, I
Speaker 1: don't want this to be a downer. I don't want
Speaker 1: to just listen to you guys complain. I get it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to complain either. So we're going to
Speaker 1: find our nuggets in here. We're gonna find our golden
Speaker 1: nuggets and the things that we love are we gonna
Speaker 1: go mining. Let's go, let's go mining. But you know
Speaker 1: it isn't It is important to acknowledge when something was
Speaker 1: not up to snuff, like not up to standard, and
Speaker 1: and it makes us appreciate the moments that were great
Speaker 1: on our show so much more when we can compare
Speaker 1: it to UM moments, Like it's really true and I
Speaker 1: think there's really something to that. Like, you know, we
Speaker 1: we watched the episode and then we always take a
Speaker 1: snack break. In tonight's case, it was let's all grab
Speaker 1: a glass of wine, break an hurry. I was enjoy
Speaker 1: before you came back. I was telling Hill that I
Speaker 1: the episode was so terrible that I just stressed ate
Speaker 1: my whole we watched it was like, um, but it's
Speaker 1: actually really funny because I ran in the other room
Speaker 1: and Grant was like, how was it. I was like,
Speaker 1: it's the worst episode we've done so far. If there
Speaker 1: are any fans out there, they think that episode sixteen
Speaker 1: is their favor head episode, like they tell us, because
Speaker 1: I don't know why, I've never heard anyone say that
Speaker 1: they loved this episode. Um, I would like to talk
Speaker 1: about deb the best performance of the episode. She was great. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was really bothered that this was her big secret,
Speaker 1: that she that she fell in love with another man
Speaker 1: while she was married to someone who is abusive, narcissistic, um,
Speaker 1: just torturing her mentally, emotionally, constantly using her son against her.
Speaker 1: You know, we've seen Dan's behavior and the fact that
Speaker 1: as a human being, she would get um, she would
Speaker 1: have have a need to be loved and adored and
Speaker 1: all the things that she deserves as a grown woman,
Speaker 1: and that she would fall into that with someone else naturally.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not excited that anyone's marriage is falling
Speaker 1: apart ever, or an affair or anything, but the fact
Speaker 1: that that that was the idea of her big scary,
Speaker 1: dark secret. It when he's just so awful to her,
Speaker 1: I don't know, helped me talked me through this, and
Speaker 1: then they wrote it in a way where it was
Speaker 1: the thing she could never reveal because she would be
Speaker 1: the bad one, not the abusive husband who's financially controlling,
Speaker 1: who by the way, has almost, if not definitely, cheated
Speaker 1: on her before. Like the idea that it would make
Speaker 1: her unlovable, she'd be shunned. Even even the way that
Speaker 1: the writers wrote Nathan's dialogue after the reveal, Nathan's response say,
Speaker 1: you are the reason Dad is like this with me.
Speaker 1: You caused him to torture when we saw Dan's whole family,
Speaker 1: we saw we saw the episode with Royal, we know
Speaker 1: where he comes from, we get it. And the fact that,
Speaker 1: oh heaven forbid a woman cheated she excommunicator. Listen, y'all
Speaker 1: heard me in the last episode. I don't care. I
Speaker 1: don't I'm cheering on a deb Scott affair because one
Speaker 1: it's her taking her future into her own hands. Um.
Speaker 1: What really bothered me is how Barbara played this really well,
Speaker 1: because she walked into the room with Nathan and was
Speaker 1: terrorized by the idea of having to admit this. And
Speaker 1: so what that informs us is when Dan found out
Speaker 1: that she was leaving him for someone else, he threatened
Speaker 1: her so severely that she panicked and came back. You know,
Speaker 1: like this was done in two thousand three, in a
Speaker 1: time when you could divorce your husband and still have
Speaker 1: custody of your child, whether that's shared custody or soul
Speaker 1: custody whatever, um. But whatever he said to her when
Speaker 1: she announced I love someone else was enough for her
Speaker 1: to be so scared she came back. And she said it,
Speaker 1: she said, when I realized I could lose you, I
Speaker 1: can't back. Why would she lose him? Like that doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense, but you know, in whatever way, Dan
Speaker 1: would do what Dan does and threaten her and say
Speaker 1: she was an unfit mother and tell lies about her
Speaker 1: like we've seen him do it already. That's why living
Speaker 1: with him, she wasn't willing to lose Nathan. And and
Speaker 1: then for Nathan to say, for them to have written,
Speaker 1: let's clarify, this is the writing, for them to have
Speaker 1: written that Nathan's reaction is all of this is your fault. Oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. It really to me. I was
Speaker 1: like the reek of misogyny. Gross's gross. Hey, if this
Speaker 1: is a triggering storyline for anybody that's listening, if you're
Speaker 1: in a bad spot there are resources, and the mythology
Speaker 1: that like you'll lose your kids and that your life
Speaker 1: is over and you're a scorned woman, Like all of
Speaker 1: that's bullsh You know, there are great resources out there
Speaker 1: and all you gotta do is google them, um, find
Speaker 1: your safe space. But it is always better to choose
Speaker 1: safety and happiness and joy. And I hate that Deb
Speaker 1: didn't do that. And now maybe some of her behavior
Speaker 1: in the later seasons is making sense because we're seeing
Speaker 1: the trauma unfold. And I didn't recognize it as a
Speaker 1: younger viewer me either. I didn't know that that is
Speaker 1: what happens in marriages because I was a kid, you know. Yeah. Meanwhile, Lucas,
Speaker 1: by the way, it gets to and look, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I know you guys don't want us bagging on Lucas,
Speaker 1: but look, it's good for a character to have an arc,
Speaker 1: and right now his flaws are glaring, and that's okay.
Speaker 1: But what bothers me about this whole scenario is, on
Speaker 1: one hand, we're seeing Deb who is feels deeply sorry
Speaker 1: about this, and she's you know, trying to figure out
Speaker 1: for trying to find her way in life, and she's
Speaker 1: in an abusive relationship. Let's make no qualms about that.
Speaker 1: And then we've got Lucas on the other hand, who
Speaker 1: has been playing the field with both girls and uh
Speaker 1: gets to kind of get off Scott free. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: mad at him, but like his mom is all like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's okay, don't worry. Everything's gonna be fine, you know.
Speaker 1: And then oh and he gets to take home a
Speaker 1: you girl from a bar and like mess around with
Speaker 1: her and have fun at the carousel. It's so double standard.
Speaker 1: This episode is the boy fantasy. It is absolutely the
Speaker 1: boy fantasy. Because Dan his control over everyone is on
Speaker 1: full display in this episode. He's got control over deb
Speaker 1: He's got control over Nathan giving him the car he's
Speaker 1: a where's my thank you? He's got control over Lucas
Speaker 1: because I saved your life. Where's my thank you? And
Speaker 1: he's got control over Keith now yes, And so that's
Speaker 1: his fantasy. And then Lucas from the first scene that
Speaker 1: we see him, like running the brook and he's like,
Speaker 1: we didn't mean to hurt you. Like, first of all,
Speaker 1: we we bro Peyton was saying no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no no. Pick her at her most vulnerable
Speaker 1: when she thinks her dad is dead, and like get
Speaker 1: her to admit, okay, yes, I like you, what do
Speaker 1: you want from me? And then convinced her that your
Speaker 1: soulmates like it's out to be us, and then you
Speaker 1: drag her into the best friend fight. I just I
Speaker 1: I own Peyton's mistakes, but like, it's a hard one
Speaker 1: for me to swallow when he's like, hey man, it
Speaker 1: was being Peyton this whole time. We were just you know,
Speaker 1: plotting against you. Sorry, well, and I think what's hard
Speaker 1: to watch, you know, because like you said, when we
Speaker 1: were kids trying to figure out how to do this,
Speaker 1: we were going to work and doing the things written
Speaker 1: for our characters. So I was like, you're both betrayers
Speaker 1: and this, that and the other. But watching it now,
Speaker 1: I feel for these young girls in in a in
Speaker 1: like your older aunt who you asked the questions to
Speaker 1: that you never would ask your mom. I have that
Speaker 1: kind of energy for all of these girls, and my god,
Speaker 1: it makes me crazy that we didn't see at the
Speaker 1: time that what was happening. And again, guys, we have
Speaker 1: to separate anybody's like you know, personal adoration of the
Speaker 1: show from what was written for us to do and
Speaker 1: the writers wrote a very long and very toxic and
Speaker 1: very gentle pressuring Lucas pressured Peyton in a way that's
Speaker 1: not okay. A guy who loves you isn't supposed to
Speaker 1: do that to you. And and the betrayal that comes
Speaker 1: out of that for him to then throw on her
Speaker 1: evenly it does. It does from girl Camp. It feels upset.
Speaker 1: What what's the what do you mean when you say
Speaker 1: the pressure that he's putting on her? Like what Hillary
Speaker 1: is talking about, how that character was written for episodes
Speaker 1: and episodes and episodes were meant to be together, were
Speaker 1: meant to you do you want to be with me? Right?
Speaker 1: You do? He goes at her physically when she is
Speaker 1: in a state of associative trauma. Her dad might be dead,
Speaker 1: she has to go to the morgue and see a
Speaker 1: dead body. And it's just so it's a kind of pressure.
Speaker 1: It is again, and I know this stuff can be
Speaker 1: very triggering, but it's we've all been taught to fear
Speaker 1: the like scary guy in the alley, the like horrible
Speaker 1: thing that can happen, you know, a sexual assault like
Speaker 1: laun or SPU style. And what we've come to find
Speaker 1: is that so many more women who experienced that experience
Speaker 1: it from an intimate partner or as a date rape scenario,
Speaker 1: and and the energy of this well, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that that's what was written for Lucas to do to Peyton.
Speaker 1: What I am saying is it's on the spectrum of
Speaker 1: intimate partner abuse, and it's it's really hard to watch.
Speaker 1: It's taking advantage of someone who needs a friend really bad.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't doubt like Lucas and Peyton or endgame,
Speaker 1: they obviously saw something in each other. They found safety
Speaker 1: in each other. It is a very messy, bumpy road
Speaker 1: to get there, and they're teenagers. Their teenagers, you're supposed
Speaker 1: to screw up. But what he is doing is not okay,
Speaker 1: and he admits it in this episode at the Bay.
Speaker 1: You know, we caught so much for calling out Lucas
Speaker 1: in these episodes for doing this exact thing. And then
Speaker 1: literally he's in the bar with Nikki and she says,
Speaker 1: you got a girlfriend, and he says, well, I had to,
Speaker 1: you know, like hed it. So for all of you
Speaker 1: who gave me a nearful, I see you and I
Speaker 1: raise you. A Night of the Blue post where he
Speaker 1: admits it in this episode, So I feel vindicated personally absolutely,
Speaker 1: And listen, I like what you said. You know, these
Speaker 1: two characters, the really magical stuff we see in the
Speaker 1: beginning is why Lucas and Peyton are endgame. It's why
Speaker 1: they wind up in a good place. But I think
Speaker 1: what's hard for us as women who as as we've
Speaker 1: also talked a lot about it. We have more language,
Speaker 1: more understanding, more data, We understand the nuance of abusive
Speaker 1: relationships and all of these things, these themes we're talking
Speaker 1: about in the show, and to look back on it,
Speaker 1: it's not just like cringeing it. It's hard to watch
Speaker 1: because we see things that are toxic being modeled as romantic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's also like, guys, you know, we also saw
Speaker 1: behind the scenes from people who were in the position
Speaker 1: of writing this stuff, a lot of toxic um behavior, behavior, communication, um,
Speaker 1: just outlook on the world, outlook on women. We saw
Speaker 1: all that happening in real time, in real life, and
Speaker 1: knowing that those people were the ones, some of those
Speaker 1: people were the ones in charge of writing the material
Speaker 1: that we were performing, it's it is a little harder
Speaker 1: for us to just look at it objectively and say, oh,
Speaker 1: Lucas was blah blah blah or just this or just that,
Speaker 1: because we know what was behind the personalities writing some
Speaker 1: of this stuff and so um, so if it seems
Speaker 1: like we're exaggerating or you know, blowing it out of proportion,
Speaker 1: we have a we have a behind the you know,
Speaker 1: scrim perspective. Yeah. I was gonna say, pay no attention
Speaker 1: to the man, but please do like please do see
Speaker 1: you know, this is a little bit more than just
Speaker 1: what was on screen. And so I think that's a
Speaker 1: lot of what we're reacting to. And and it's also
Speaker 1: a good thing for people to to think about in
Speaker 1: real life too, is there is there um going about
Speaker 1: their relationships and scenarios where I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: partnerships or friendships or whatever. It just to recognize that
Speaker 1: there's always it's it's always a little bit more than
Speaker 1: just what you see on the surface. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: good point. Joy, I'm glad that you Yes, it's you
Speaker 1: know the one. It was so dark for the first
Speaker 1: few scenes of this episode because we were all just grimacing,
Speaker 1: and then it was the scene in the cafe with
Speaker 1: Joy where she she says the line it was just
Speaker 1: like all times minus one spleen and I was so good, Like,
Speaker 1: Haley did not have anything to do this episode. Everybody
Speaker 1: was like dealing with like chaos and having sex on carousels,
Speaker 1: and Haley is just like you guys here show crows
Speaker 1: in Town, show Chrome, you know, show crows in Town.
Speaker 1: I wonder who's going to guest star in this episode? Interesting? Also,
Speaker 1: let's just be real. First of all, the hilarity of
Speaker 1: trying to win tickets on eBay and you're like the
Speaker 1: l yeah, I've got a high speed internet connection, sweet baby, Nathan,
Speaker 1: oh my god, and and the like purity of the
Speaker 1: less technical times matched to you at the end when
Speaker 1: she's like how much do I owe you for the coffee?
Speaker 1: When Nathan's like, you're being so awkward and you go
Speaker 1: a song a cup of song, like he's so old?
Speaker 1: Can you imagine someone actually saying that to Cheryl Carl
Speaker 1: I love that about it. I love that about her.
Speaker 1: She totally would do that. Has anyone pulled that on
Speaker 1: you in real life? Has anyone tried to bother with you?
Speaker 1: I don't know what I would do. Somebody was like,
Speaker 1: if you sing for me right now, I'll give you
Speaker 1: whatever blah blah blah. If I give you this Curry Joy,
Speaker 1: this curry Diner, free, will you sing as the song
Speaker 1: free Curry. I'd have to be really in the mood.
Speaker 1: I'd have to be in the mood. But Cheryl Crow
Speaker 1: was in the mood. She was so sweet when she
Speaker 1: came in. Um, A lot of people were there. Everybody
Speaker 1: kind of we all showed up. We were hiding in corners. Actually, guys,
Speaker 1: I said that when we watched the episode for everybody
Speaker 1: listening at home, we all were shocked because that Karen's
Speaker 1: cafe was more packed than it's ever been for anything.
Speaker 1: And then we realized in the scene that it was
Speaker 1: supposed to be empty. But we all remember that night
Speaker 1: as like a hundred people being there because we were
Speaker 1: we were just hiding off camera. Yeah, where were we?
Speaker 1: I feel like we were all tucked away in the
Speaker 1: corners of actually over why where the table was where
Speaker 1: um Moira and I and Chad all had that one
Speaker 1: scene earlier. I think everybody was kind of on that
Speaker 1: and we were like people were sitting on the bar
Speaker 1: and behind the bar because the dollies, the big, the
Speaker 1: big pieces of equipment, y'all that the cameras rest on.
Speaker 1: They're kind of like big heavy wagons. The dollies were
Speaker 1: in front of the actual countertop, and so we were all,
Speaker 1: I mean people, We might as well have been hanging
Speaker 1: from the rafters trying to watch her sing, but we
Speaker 1: were so storks. Total money did they have to pay
Speaker 1: show grow to come into One Tree Hill. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you one thing that was in her deal that I
Speaker 1: know how to have been in her deal was that
Speaker 1: she scored the whole episode. Like they used her I
Speaker 1: don't know if she scored it, but like they used
Speaker 1: only her music for the whole episode. Was only her songs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes so smart. Yeah, I would have done that.
Speaker 1: And her guitarist, Jeff is somebody. Actually I ended up
Speaker 1: writing with UM a couple of years later, A year
Speaker 1: or so later when I got my contract with Epic Records.
Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah, they hooked me up with that guy, Jeff,
Speaker 1: and he was such a sweetheart. We wrote some fun
Speaker 1: stuff together UM, and I was just super stoked to
Speaker 1: be working with anybody that had worked with Cheryl besides
Speaker 1: Billy Joel. She was like, my my Mecca. Did you
Speaker 1: use her music as auditions songs? Because I did oh
Speaker 1: and karaoke songs. Yeah, there was like a girl group
Speaker 1: that was getting like formulated in the nineties in d
Speaker 1: C at the Kennedy Center. That's where they were doing
Speaker 1: the auditions. And I had to go audition, right, and
Speaker 1: my first audition song was like an ace of bass
Speaker 1: song and they were like, you did a kid, you
Speaker 1: did it. Uh, you're coming back for a callback, you know,
Speaker 1: And it was it was so gross and like predatory.
Speaker 1: And but then my callback song was all I want
Speaker 1: to do is have some fun and he and it's
Speaker 1: it's so cool that she came on our show because
Speaker 1: she imprinted on us was like our middle school years, right,
Speaker 1: you know. She's a really big deal. And I wish that, um,
Speaker 1: we'd all gotten to hang out with her, because she
Speaker 1: would have been one of those older chicks that would
Speaker 1: have imparted some wisdom. I can feel it. I think
Speaker 1: so too. I wish we could have asked her some questions.
Speaker 1: I wish so too. I mean, I wish we had
Speaker 1: been able to have more time with her and just chat.
Speaker 1: But she was really sweet, and I think we were
Speaker 1: all really nervous. I was sweet, too nervous to talk
Speaker 1: to her about music or anything, but I should have
Speaker 1: she had an album. I think it wasn't the Globe
Speaker 1: Sessions because that was the super popular one that really
Speaker 1: broke out, but she had one that was kind of darker.
Speaker 1: I think maybe it was just called or it was
Speaker 1: just called Cheryl Crow. And the song is so heartbreaking
Speaker 1: first cut as the deepest, like, yeah that I've cried
Speaker 1: to that song. I want to say there was a
Speaker 1: breakup during our One Tree Hill tenure that involved that
Speaker 1: song breaking my heart over and over again. And yeah,
Speaker 1: she was amazing. You know what else I loved in
Speaker 1: this episode. I loved the I mean, I know it's
Speaker 1: a rough time, you know, Peyton and Brooke by the
Speaker 1: way winding up drinking together, cheersing that Lucas went home
Speaker 1: with another girl is so again the writing is so insane.
Speaker 1: But Hillary, we did a great job in that scene.
Speaker 1: You know, here's something. If we got to hang out
Speaker 1: a blue post all night, we had a great time.
Speaker 1: We had a great time. It was fine. We were
Speaker 1: like definitely playing ski ball when they were changing camera lenses,
Speaker 1: for sure, But I did love the the kind of
Speaker 1: sweet quiet moment with our other favorites. We were robbed
Speaker 1: with Peyton and Jake and you making the mobile for
Speaker 1: Jenny was really really cute. But again, so this show
Speaker 1: like sped through stuff. You know, Joy made such a
Speaker 1: good point when we were watching the episode, She's like, God,
Speaker 1: you know you talked about success Ship. Yeah, one of
Speaker 1: my favorite shows on HBO. So what's what I love
Speaker 1: about Succession? And it's not everyone's cup of tea, no,
Speaker 1: no show is, But um I what I really love
Speaker 1: about Succession is that you get to know the characters
Speaker 1: and even though they all sort of have these they're
Speaker 1: all kind of bad, yeah, but you you fall in
Speaker 1: love with them because of their humanity because it takes
Speaker 1: so long to see things unfold that in between all
Speaker 1: the bad choices, you see the good possibilities. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's the reason that we people fall in love with
Speaker 1: with unhealthy partners, right, because you see all the good
Speaker 1: possibilities right before the horrible choice, bad day. Right. And
Speaker 1: and but what's great about it is it draws you in.
Speaker 1: It triggers that part of the human brain that loves
Speaker 1: a cliffhanger because we want to solve the mystery, want
Speaker 1: to see what's going to happen. And TV has really
Speaker 1: leveled up and why Succession is an example of that
Speaker 1: is because they really take a long time. It's a
Speaker 1: slow burn to reveal all of these story points and
Speaker 1: the and the plot points as they twist and turn
Speaker 1: and and uh. The more I watch our show, the
Speaker 1: more I'm getting whiplash with all of the how fast
Speaker 1: everything is happening. And it's a shame because we've got
Speaker 1: good actors, we've got interesting characters, we've got a beautiful
Speaker 1: setting and a great setup for story. But because we're
Speaker 1: blowing through it so fast, we're missing out on the
Speaker 1: anticipation and that, you know, all the all the excitement
Speaker 1: that you get from just slowly wandering through a journey
Speaker 1: and then boom, getting surprised by a twist and turn.
Speaker 1: How good, how juicy would it have been if for
Speaker 1: two or three whole episodes we saw Keith stressing about money,
Speaker 1: going through other avenues of trying to get alone, admitting
Speaker 1: it to Karen, her looking at her finances, figuring out
Speaker 1: what would happen if she took out a second mortgage
Speaker 1: on the cafe, him saying I'm not gonna let you
Speaker 1: do it. The slow burn, the slow burn, the slow burn,
Speaker 1: Dan finding out ahead of time and like lauding and waiting.
Speaker 1: What if Dan let people think like he really was
Speaker 1: going to do the right thing. What if we thought
Speaker 1: two episodes Dan was going to do the right thing
Speaker 1: and and then the oh he's your boss, that guy
Speaker 1: showed up. It would hurt so much worse. It would
Speaker 1: be so much deeper. And what about introducing uh Nikki? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had three episodes before with like these weird little
Speaker 1: moments and she's in and out and we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we've got this new character and who is she and
Speaker 1: why she is and the reveal. Yeah, it's just a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you guys think it was because we
Speaker 1: were constantly on the bubble and always afraid of it,
Speaker 1: Like they were always afraid that we were going to
Speaker 1: get canceled. They were just trying to shove everything in.
Speaker 1: So here's what's also insane is that, now that we've
Speaker 1: spoken to so many other people who were on shows
Speaker 1: in the same era as our show, everyone was always
Speaker 1: told they were on the bubble, and it was it
Speaker 1: was a ploy. It wasn't a real thing. Like, isn't
Speaker 1: that sucks so bad? Guys? It's like finding out about Santa.
Speaker 1: It's just like, what where time we could have been
Speaker 1: having fun instead of strussed scared all the time. Well,
Speaker 1: so the Jacob it all. It's hard for me because
Speaker 1: I see how much fun I'm having with Greenberg. I
Speaker 1: see how much fun Peyton and Jake are having together.
Speaker 1: But Peyton literally just dive bombed her one friendship, like
Speaker 1: her one true love Brook. You know that relationship has
Speaker 1: imploded over Lucas and Peyton's already like watching movies with Jake.
Speaker 1: Just it. As a former teenage girl, I was a
Speaker 1: teenage girl, believe it or not. When you were in
Speaker 1: love with someone, you don't automatically get your head turned
Speaker 1: by someone else. When it falls apart, there is a
Speaker 1: morning process, and I think having so many male writers
Speaker 1: was a detriment because that process was never really explored.
Speaker 1: You know, Brooke just goes straight to like scorched earth
Speaker 1: um and it's like I'm going to destroy everything and
Speaker 1: you're the loser, and you're a loser, and you're a loser.
Speaker 1: You know, Peyton went from being with Nathan to being
Speaker 1: sort of with Luke right away, and then now all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's like this Jake thing is happening,
Speaker 1: and it's like, is her only value in being with
Speaker 1: a person like being with a dude? Um, that's hard,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, I'm sure that's something that we deal
Speaker 1: with in real life. But I would have appreciated if
Speaker 1: Jake had gotten the respect he deserved and there would
Speaker 1: have been a little bit of breath between the you know,
Speaker 1: chapters of dudes. Yeah, that's a great point. I do
Speaker 1: think it's interesting when people say, you know, why is
Speaker 1: representation so important? It's stuff like this. You know, if
Speaker 1: there had been more women in positions of power, I
Speaker 1: think maybe that would have been different. I think maybe
Speaker 1: someone would have said, you got to give her a minute,
Speaker 1: Like she's going to go home and cry into her pillow,
Speaker 1: right that's the scene, a scene like where is paying
Speaker 1: at home weeping over this? By the way, where was
Speaker 1: Brooks opportunity to like weep over this? Brook never cries
Speaker 1: right like at home by herself. And it's weird, and
Speaker 1: it's like, and if she's not going to cry, if
Speaker 1: she's the kind of person that's going to refuse, I
Speaker 1: won't allow this to get me so sad or whatever.
Speaker 1: I want to know about that, and I want to
Speaker 1: know why, why is she like that? You know. Also,
Speaker 1: did you guys have nosy teachers at school? No? No,
Speaker 1: I had a camp counselor once who I thought was sweet,
Speaker 1: like she was invested a little bit more than others.
Speaker 1: But I didn't have nosy teachers. My teachers knew every
Speaker 1: boy that I kissed, every boy that I talked to, Like,
Speaker 1: my teachers always knew what I was involved in. And
Speaker 1: so when oh it was so great, and when it
Speaker 1: would go sideways, like they were completely invested in it,
Speaker 1: like and it was incredibly sweet, you know, and so
Speaker 1: they would pull you aside lovingly and like trying to
Speaker 1: give you some good advice and you know, steer you
Speaker 1: in the right direction. There's nobody at Trio High that
Speaker 1: is saying either to the girls like, Babe, this ain't
Speaker 1: worth it, This ain't it, or conversely like saying to Lucas, Dude,
Speaker 1: you were trying to date two girls at once, Like
Speaker 1: that's gross. Don't do that. You know why White, He's
Speaker 1: just concerned about his position on the team and their
Speaker 1: winning record. You know, you know what, I wonder if
Speaker 1: that's why it lands on us and and made us
Speaker 1: all so upset watching this, because there is no one,
Speaker 1: not only holding any of these kids to account, but
Speaker 1: even just giving them advice. I mean, you said it.
Speaker 1: Even Karen's like, oh kid, cut, Oh my god, that's
Speaker 1: the worst her son. Okay, So at the end of
Speaker 1: this night, Lucas has has piste off both girls. He's
Speaker 1: gone missing. He left his phone at home, so he's unreachable.
Speaker 1: He has gone to to a bar. He's reeking of alcohol,
Speaker 1: he's drinking on his pain meds. He goes and he
Speaker 1: has sex with a stranger on a carousel in a mall,
Speaker 1: breaking and entering, and then when he calls way too
Speaker 1: much Bronzer on God's sake, when he's run this boy,
Speaker 1: his mother doesn't say, where the hell were you? Why
Speaker 1: do you smell like beer? Why do you smell like
Speaker 1: this cheap perfume? You know? She's like, he gets away
Speaker 1: with it. She's like, Luke, I'm so glad we've had
Speaker 1: this talk. This was protective. Wherever he is right now,
Speaker 1: it happening, bro not happened, No way, no God. How
Speaker 1: do we fix it? You guys? I mean, how do
Speaker 1: we like, how do we look with rose colored glasses
Speaker 1: on this episode? Well, I don't know if we look
Speaker 1: on this episode with rose colored glasses. But I will
Speaker 1: say it helps me to know where we're going. It
Speaker 1: helps me to know who these characters turn into. It
Speaker 1: helps me to know that even though there was a
Speaker 1: clearly like misogynistic, abusive, gross lens on this episode, our
Speaker 1: show does supersede that it does learn over the years
Speaker 1: to advocate better for for women and for us like
Speaker 1: not always not. You know, we are very honest about
Speaker 1: the flaws here, but I I have to say that
Speaker 1: that's kind of the only way I can deal with it.
Speaker 1: And I will say, I will say the one sort
Speaker 1: of stellar moment for me in the in the mess
Speaker 1: of how so many people get treated in this episode,
Speaker 1: I actually did think there was great writing in the
Speaker 1: scene where Lucas comes to bro. Yes, that's a good scene.
Speaker 1: You know. We I's gonna put it out there. We
Speaker 1: had been pushing back for the first fifteen episodes of
Speaker 1: this season. We were like, don't take our clothes off
Speaker 1: and don't like, don't make us do weird stuff. And
Speaker 1: this episode felt a little bit like, Okay, you girls
Speaker 1: want to be the prudes. Cool, We'll let you be
Speaker 1: the prudes and we'll bring in someone else. And the
Speaker 1: performances that came out of that between Barbara and between
Speaker 1: you Rip and Lucas a new asshole, and between Joy
Speaker 1: being this like great plucky best friend that is like
Speaker 1: why are you being so weird? You know that's seen
Speaker 1: in the cafe between you and Lucas and Karen is fantastic.
Speaker 1: You know, you kept the levity of the show going.
Speaker 1: And so I like watching the female performances in spite
Speaker 1: of what was on the page. It makes me feel
Speaker 1: good about what we did as a unit. Me too,
Speaker 1: And it's interesting to find, like you said, Joy, the
Speaker 1: rose colored glasses for me are the winds inside of
Speaker 1: the mess and and kind of the eye of the storm.
Speaker 1: Of this for me is a girl finally beginning to
Speaker 1: know her worth. And when Brook looks at Luke Guess
Speaker 1: and says, I used to feel inferior to you, and
Speaker 1: she realizes that she let all these ideas. She felt
Speaker 1: small around this boy. She felt like she wasn't smart enough,
Speaker 1: for good enough, for well read enough, or didn't know
Speaker 1: enough about music, and she just looks at him and
Speaker 1: it's like, but I'm a good person and you're not
Speaker 1: right now, yeah, yeah, And I was just like, god,
Speaker 1: that's a win. For girls who've been through whatever version
Speaker 1: of this, and I don't know if that might if
Speaker 1: we're doing roses and thorns in the whole episode, is
Speaker 1: a thorn that would be my rose? You know what?
Speaker 1: My roses? Um? NICKI in the bar with her pickup
Speaker 1: lines was so dreamy, which she says, nice eye contact. Um.
Speaker 1: That was a pickup line that I'd never heard before.
Speaker 1: Friends me neither. No. Yeah, I've also never seen that
Speaker 1: magic trick before. Wait, but here's the thing. Somebody, somebody
Speaker 1: in the writer room was like, I know a magic trick.
Speaker 1: We got to work it into the episode. Somebody's kid
Speaker 1: did it in science class. They brought it into the
Speaker 1: writer's room and showed everybody and they were like, we
Speaker 1: got to put this. And also she just playing with
Speaker 1: matches the whole time, like she's a pyromaniac. Was a fyromaniac.
Speaker 1: So while we watched that was like, she's bad. She
Speaker 1: plays a fire. She's bad, well, because you were like,
Speaker 1: why does she keep lighting things on fire? And I
Speaker 1: was like, it's how we know she's bad, Like who
Speaker 1: did this? So great? But by the way, hats off
Speaker 1: to Emmanuel, we love her. And she came in and
Speaker 1: and she just she committed to everything. But you can
Speaker 1: see on her face that she always felt like she
Speaker 1: had the upper hand. Yeah. Yeah, she always felt in control.
Speaker 1: She was And you know, it's funny because we had
Speaker 1: been pushing back and we had been saying, we feel
Speaker 1: really uncomfortable, and the big threat was, well, well, well
Speaker 1: we'll bring in somebody else. And Emmanuel was like, these
Speaker 1: girls are little girls. I'm a grown up and she
Speaker 1: was playing someone over eighteen, you know, that's the difference. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And she was like, I like myself, I look badass.
Speaker 1: I feel great about this. And we were like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, she's amazing. Your power to her. We love her.
Speaker 1: I think they thought we were going to hate her,
Speaker 1: and instead we loved her. I think we were all
Speaker 1: like drawn to her. Oh yeah. I had lunch with
Speaker 1: her one time, and she was so like just in
Speaker 1: the middle of the shoe. We just went out and
Speaker 1: grabbed some lunch, and she was like, she's just so interesting,
Speaker 1: so well traveled, so well read. She's very magnetic. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I really liked her. I liked her a lot too.
Speaker 1: Why didn't we sell her? Well, you know who knows,
Speaker 1: so ha ha jokes on them. My Roses also broke
Speaker 1: at the door. I love, I loved. I just loved
Speaker 1: that moment. I really did and it and it still
Speaker 1: spoke to the girl and side of me that gets
Speaker 1: nervous around men I'm attracted to, and I should like
Speaker 1: my tongue swells up six sizes because I don't know
Speaker 1: how to talk, and I'm like, I don't know what
Speaker 1: to do with my Is that your tell? Is that
Speaker 1: how we know you like somebody? Now when we're all together,
Speaker 1: all right, we're all now enjoy No, it doesn't, actually,
Speaker 1: but I do get. I do kind of clam up
Speaker 1: and I get I just start to feel I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's a little girl thing of feeling inferior
Speaker 1: and feeling like I'm not good enough for whatever reason. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm working on it. But but I love that moment
Speaker 1: at the door. That that really was so cool for
Speaker 1: me to watch and it still spoke to me even
Speaker 1: all these years later. I loved it. You did a
Speaker 1: really good job with that. So that was And we
Speaker 1: were all so cold and stressed out this episode. I
Speaker 1: can see the stress on all of us in this episode,
Speaker 1: and guys like knowing what a wet North Carolina winter
Speaker 1: feels like and all of our hands are in our
Speaker 1: pockets and our body these are just like super tense
Speaker 1: and we can't move our mouths. Um, it's just cursed episode.
Speaker 1: Is that we'll call this the cursed episode? That'll be
Speaker 1: the title of the podcast. This one is cursed? Cursed?
Speaker 1: Do we have any listener questions? Oh, that's a great idea. Okay,
Speaker 1: this one's from Alexa. Alexa asks, I've always wondered what
Speaker 1: it was like for each of you when the show
Speaker 1: grew in popularity. What was the most overwhelming part of
Speaker 1: your stardom. Was there anything you had to change about
Speaker 1: your daily routines? Oh? Interesting? Um? I was? I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. We were living in Wilmington's it was
Speaker 1: a little different, Sophia. You were in l A more
Speaker 1: than any of us. Was l A A different? Like? No,
Speaker 1: l A was actually always easier just because there's more
Speaker 1: industry and people seem to care less. Um, I can
Speaker 1: certainly go for first because I I think I'm probably
Speaker 1: the person with the worst social anxiety that will take
Speaker 1: care of you. I'm like, outside is hard. Um. That
Speaker 1: was always really hard for me because there was this
Speaker 1: what I realized was that there was an expectation for
Speaker 1: me to be like loud and into it and wanting
Speaker 1: to party like Brooke and um, I love to go
Speaker 1: out and adventure with groups of people I know, but
Speaker 1: the the the inward bound from strangers was really hard
Speaker 1: for me. And I actually that apartment that I loved
Speaker 1: so much, I had to move because people people figured
Speaker 1: out that I lived there, and then I could never
Speaker 1: get into my home without someone literally standing in between
Speaker 1: me and my front door. And when you're a single
Speaker 1: girl being alone for the first time, it made me
Speaker 1: feel really really unsafe. And I still feel like deeply
Speaker 1: unsafe when just normal boundaries aren't respected. But that was
Speaker 1: pretty scary. So yeah, I mean my daily routine was
Speaker 1: I had to move out of my apartment and move
Speaker 1: somewhere else. That was kind of a bummer. Hillary, did
Speaker 1: you have any well. I think Peyton helped me establish
Speaker 1: boundaries because I had been the VJ at MTV that
Speaker 1: would like go out into Times Square and be in
Speaker 1: the crowd, and I was always with people and it
Speaker 1: was not a big deal when people would be touching me.
Speaker 1: And I will say that like post nine eleven, I
Speaker 1: probably had some PTSD about it. Um. The crowds became
Speaker 1: really scary to me because there was a threat. It
Speaker 1: was like a danger. And I did never think that
Speaker 1: I would be the thing that a crowd would collect around,
Speaker 1: that like us filming together would be the thing, because
Speaker 1: before I was always the person just covering the crowd,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. I was peripheral. And so when
Speaker 1: we kind of got thrust into the center of things,
Speaker 1: that was terrifying because there wasn't ever an exit strategy
Speaker 1: and I'm always the person that's looking for an exit strategy,
Speaker 1: and so that was kind of weird. But because Peyton
Speaker 1: was so confrontational and so flip, you know, it afforded
Speaker 1: me the luxury of being able to do that in
Speaker 1: real life. And so if someone was crossing boundaries, I
Speaker 1: could say hey you and like they laugh because I
Speaker 1: was in king, you know, And so it it gave
Speaker 1: me a lot of freedom to be ornery in a
Speaker 1: way that was protective UM, which I still utilize that
Speaker 1: like not have that luxury. Yeah you were the nice girl.
Speaker 1: I know everybody expected that Hay to be so nice,
Speaker 1: but I I also grew up with a lot of
Speaker 1: issues with boundaries. But my way of dealing with it
Speaker 1: was not too I would go on the offense and
Speaker 1: like it. I would. I was rude. I was I
Speaker 1: was just like, don't invade my space, leave me alone,
Speaker 1: don't you know? I don't. And I think also, I
Speaker 1: was a New Yorker before I before I got this show.
Speaker 1: I mean I had lived in l A for a year,
Speaker 1: but I grew up in Jersey and in the city,
Speaker 1: and like I was felt like a New Yorker and
Speaker 1: in New York people aren't weird about it. It's just like, hey, girl,
Speaker 1: I want you all my stories, you know, like love
Speaker 1: seeing you like you know, and you just say, hey,
Speaker 1: what's up? And you keep on walking. But having people, yeah,
Speaker 1: find out where you live follow the van home um,
Speaker 1: which happened a lot in Wilmington's um. You know, people
Speaker 1: in restaurants coming up and talking to you in the
Speaker 1: middle of your meal and you're trying to have a
Speaker 1: private conversation. And I didn't know how to handle it
Speaker 1: into what to do. And my my answer to feeling
Speaker 1: suddenly forced into a situation I didn't want to be
Speaker 1: in was to shut it down immediately. I didn't I
Speaker 1: didn't have the tools to learn how to be gracious
Speaker 1: about it or you know, thank you so much. I
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. You know, I'm just having a private
Speaker 1: moment right now, but I'd love to come talk with
Speaker 1: you afterward, you know, or whatever. I didn't have those tools.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. There was no way to teach us that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think that was that was hard. It was
Speaker 1: that was a long lesson to learn because you just
Speaker 1: don't know what to do. What do you do? And
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's awkward. Yeah, it takes a long
Speaker 1: time to learn what those boundaries are. And by the way,
Speaker 1: all three of us are pleasers and so hard, it's
Speaker 1: really hard. And it's hard also to learn how to
Speaker 1: set a boundary and then not lose sleep for the
Speaker 1: next three nights feeling guilty about it. Yes, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think I finally had to realize, if you know.
Speaker 1: A friend of mine said this to me. Was like,
Speaker 1: if you worked at a tech company and eight people
Speaker 1: were over your shoulder tapping you on the shoulder, bring
Speaker 1: what are you doing? What are you doing? What are
Speaker 1: you doing? You'd be like stop it. But like, for
Speaker 1: some reason, when you're an entertainer, you're not supposed to
Speaker 1: do that, and so I had to learn what what
Speaker 1: my boundaries were, like I'm not going to get up
Speaker 1: from my meal with my family, but if you're here
Speaker 1: when we're done, I'll see you at the door. Like
Speaker 1: things that could create that, But it's also you've got
Speaker 1: I mean, it might be like you you could be
Speaker 1: nice to the first three people and then the fourth
Speaker 1: person and then the fifth person, by you get time
Speaker 1: to get to the seventh person in the day, and
Speaker 1: you're just tired of being interrupted, and maybe you're having
Speaker 1: a hard day, and maybe there's some crazy happening in
Speaker 1: your life. It's just, oh my god, that's joy. That's
Speaker 1: the worst when you've got happening in your life, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, we were in our early twenties, there
Speaker 1: was happening in our life every other day day, and
Speaker 1: so having to do that and also be like pleasing
Speaker 1: and like hey everybody, yeah, of course I want to picture.
Speaker 1: I loved taking pictures of people. But then I also,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it's a secret. I started
Speaker 1: smoking too, because I realized that if I was smoking,
Speaker 1: no one would talk to me. And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, joy, this magic trick When I would
Speaker 1: hang out because Peyton can do bad things. Because Peyton
Speaker 1: Sawyer is a bad girl. Her and Nikki should have
Speaker 1: fallen in love instead of falling in hate. So that's
Speaker 1: the thing. It's like. And I wasn't even smoking half
Speaker 1: the time. I was just like holding it because when
Speaker 1: you're doing that, you're unapproachable, right, But if you're just
Speaker 1: standing outside looking at your phone or like doing whatever,
Speaker 1: you're totally approachable. And so yeah, if you want to
Speaker 1: carry around a pack of Virginia Slims and look and
Speaker 1: look real unapproachable, that's the trick. Wow. Yeah, I had
Speaker 1: no idea. That's a good that's a good trick. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sometimes people will post pictures of those days on the
Speaker 1: internet and I'm so embarrassed. But I'm also like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I was, Tony too, what do you want
Speaker 1: for me? I was a mess. I'm trying to figure
Speaker 1: it out whatever. I'm growing up now. But a great question.
Speaker 1: It's it's fun to think about that stuff. It's also
Speaker 1: a little cringey because I know I was. I'm sure
Speaker 1: that I was rude to some people that I wish
Speaker 1: I hadn't been, probably too hard to I was just
Speaker 1: like shut it down and nope, I can't. Nope, sorry, no,
Speaker 1: thank you, you know I'm busy or whatever. I just
Speaker 1: didn't you know whatever, We didn't know well. But I
Speaker 1: think it's also it is really worth repeating that you
Speaker 1: can't be all things to all people at all times,
Speaker 1: and especially in a town like ours. There's two sides
Speaker 1: to every coin, right, And like, what an amazing thing
Speaker 1: that during spring break weeks we'd have five hundred people outside.
Speaker 1: My god, I think got about you know well, but
Speaker 1: to realize how much your show means. But also, you
Speaker 1: can't get through town with five hundred people following you around.
Speaker 1: There's a point where you have to go. You gotta
Speaker 1: back up, You've got to stop. I'm just I can't. Also,
Speaker 1: working like we're working long hours and and going out
Speaker 1: and sit chatting with fans, it actually sucks a lot
Speaker 1: of energy out of us. But then we also have
Speaker 1: to still go back and do our job, which is
Speaker 1: why I hardly ever went out and took photos with fans,
Speaker 1: because it's not because I was opposed to it. It
Speaker 1: was that I knew how much energy would suck out
Speaker 1: of me, and I knew that I had a whole
Speaker 1: day's day of workload ahead of me that I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to do my job properly if I had
Speaker 1: like released all that energy out to other people. Well,
Speaker 1: especially because you're an introvert, you know, like, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I mean. It sucks a lot of energy out
Speaker 1: of me. I made it kind of my thing where
Speaker 1: I was like, at work, I will come when I can,
Speaker 1: and outside of here, please respect my personal life. So
Speaker 1: it made it was the thing that actually made me
Speaker 1: feel free being able to go do that. Um. We
Speaker 1: have one of the question from Kristen that is when
Speaker 1: you had musical artists on the show, did you ever
Speaker 1: get to talk or hang out with them? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like we've talked about Gavin, Like Gavin came
Speaker 1: to play pool with us at the bars. Um well,
Speaker 1: I mean I had a mega crush on Grace Potter.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she was awesome girl. And she came out
Speaker 1: with like me and Beth crook Am I think one
Speaker 1: night and I was just like, oh my god, she's
Speaker 1: so cool. She's so cool. Yeah, I loved her. The
Speaker 1: folks stayed on the show a bit. I mean we
Speaker 1: were all too scared to say anything to Cheryl Crowe
Speaker 1: but as the years went on, you know, Kate Vogel
Speaker 1: became a character, Tyler was a character. So it was
Speaker 1: so fun because we got to have Pete Wentz Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Oh like we got to have all these
Speaker 1: wonderful relationships and friendships with people who initially came on
Speaker 1: the show for their music. Yeah, and don't forget Bethany
Speaker 1: Joe Lens. I liked our fake music friend Kevin Federline, like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Kevin lip synced. He did not really sing
Speaker 1: on the show. And we'll tell that story when we
Speaker 1: get there because it's one of my favorite stories in
Speaker 1: the show. Um. But we went out to oh what
Speaker 1: was that bar that was on the corner of Front
Speaker 1: Street and then like where river View Suites are. All
Speaker 1: I remember is being in this bar very late at
Speaker 1: night and Kevin Federline buying everyone's shots and being so
Speaker 1: lovely and so fun and so like he was awesome.
Speaker 1: He was. I was so mad they cast him and
Speaker 1: then he ended up being so lovely and so oh
Speaker 1: Nick lash was really great. We had a good run.
Speaker 1: We had a good run. If we could have Okay,
Speaker 1: so here's my question to piet back that, um, if
Speaker 1: we could have any musical performer on that would also
Speaker 1: have to have dinner with us and hang out with
Speaker 1: us after the fact. Who would we have? Oh man,
Speaker 1: this is really tough. I know. Listen, I only asked
Speaker 1: the hard hitting questions. That's hard Pete Yourn, I feel
Speaker 1: it would be are you gonna kiss Pete Yourn? No?
Speaker 1: I haven't. I don't even I even listen to his
Speaker 1: music in many, many years. But I don't know why
Speaker 1: his name just popped up. I looked up Pete your
Speaker 1: not long ago joy and he has the same exact
Speaker 1: hair that he had in two thousand, like the long hair,
Speaker 1: and I was like, God, bless, Oh that's awesome. I
Speaker 1: hear Sean Mullins is pretty cool too. Guys. I just
Speaker 1: want to have dinner with Stevie Wonder. So I picked
Speaker 1: Stevie one. Yeah, that's a good one. Amazing. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I I had an answer, but you said Stevie, and
Speaker 1: my brain went straight to Stevie Nicks and I was like, oh, queen,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many legends. There's so many legends. Well,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say boy George because when I was
Speaker 1: in high school I was obsessed with boy George and
Speaker 1: I think if we're going to be drama queens and
Speaker 1: add a layer of bitch to this show, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the queen. Um. Yeah, those are good questions. You
Speaker 1: all want to spin a wheel? Ye? Shall we spend
Speaker 1: a most likely wheel? I mean, honestly, where did Pete
Speaker 1: Jorne come from? Why is that in my brain? I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I'm about to listen to him as
Speaker 1: soon as we're done. Now I'm gonna go. I know.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna go with Okay, folks, give it to him.
Speaker 1: So who who's most likely to end up in prison?
Speaker 1: I think in this episode, Lucas brother is drinking, breaking
Speaker 1: an addecent exposure in a public place. Yeah, totally, you're right,
Speaker 1: breaking the law? Yeah? Wait, who's most likely to get
Speaker 1: arrested in Like Nikki for sure would have been arrested
Speaker 1: as an accessory, so they're both going to jail. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and statutory rape, but that's a different story, guys, we're
Speaker 1: not going to Oh man, I like him young? Can
Speaker 1: we live that life? That was awful? That's how you
Speaker 1: know it's a bunch of dudes being like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I wish the hot girl in college and said to
Speaker 1: me when I was in high school. Gross gross, so gross,
Speaker 1: I mean in real life and most likely to get
Speaker 1: arrested Leonora's everything. But by the way, like Lee is
Speaker 1: the one who at like two o'clock in the morning
Speaker 1: is like Heckaine from across the street, Like, do we
Speaker 1: have any like hippies who would be like at the
Speaker 1: you know, real, I'm selling such an old person calling
Speaker 1: somebody a HIPPIEPPI. You know, people who would like the
Speaker 1: man piket lines and who would be like, uh, you
Speaker 1: know in the front of somebody would get arrested for sofia.
Speaker 1: It would be yeah, you're for real going to get
Speaker 1: arrested on a on a protest line at some point?
Speaker 1: Have you before I've been threatened. No, I've been threatened
Speaker 1: with arrest on a protest line multiple times. Um. But
Speaker 1: there's just like a couple of key phrases you need
Speaker 1: to learn about your rights. And then they're like us
Speaker 1: that one's read the law and they move on. What
Speaker 1: are they educated? Well, I'll write you up a whole
Speaker 1: I'll write you up a whole document. There's there's multiple
Speaker 1: to learn that they're not going to memorizeiting. Maybe we'll
Speaker 1: post it in the stories as a resource protest resource.
Speaker 1: I like, oh my god, yeah, all right, it's your lucas.
Speaker 1: You guys are trouble. One is political, one is perverted.
Speaker 1: I'm down, damn the man. The next episode, number seventeen,
Speaker 1: we have spirit in the nights. It's going to be better,
Speaker 1: you guys. I believe in the next episode. I believe
Speaker 1: in us. It cannot be worse than this. Well, here's
Speaker 1: the thing. We all end up in such awesome places.
Speaker 1: We gotta turn it around at some point, right, Yeah,
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