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Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in

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Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of Drama Queens. Um. We just

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Speaker 1: This was episode sixteen. It was called first Cut is

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Speaker 1: aired March second of two thousand four. The synopsis is

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Speaker 1: concidentally we are drinking our fit vine wine. Thanks guys.

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Speaker 1: So this Yeah, this was an embarrassing episode. Um. And

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Speaker 1: anticipation and that, you know, all the all the excitement

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Speaker 1: that you get from just slowly wandering through a journey

427
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 1: and then boom, getting surprised by a twist and turn.

428
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: How good, how juicy would it have been if for

429
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: two or three whole episodes we saw Keith stressing about money,

430
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: going through other avenues of trying to get alone, admitting

431
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: it to Karen, her looking at her finances, figuring out

432
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 1: what would happen if she took out a second mortgage

433
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: on the cafe, him saying I'm not gonna let you

434
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: do it. The slow burn, the slow burn, the slow burn,

435
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,959
Speaker 1: Dan finding out ahead of time and like lauding and waiting.

436
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: What if Dan let people think like he really was

437
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: going to do the right thing. What if we thought

438
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: two episodes Dan was going to do the right thing

439
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: and and then the oh he's your boss, that guy

440
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: showed up. It would hurt so much worse. It would

441
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: be so much deeper. And what about introducing uh Nikki? Yeah,

442
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: we had three episodes before with like these weird little

443
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: moments and she's in and out and we're like, oh,

444
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: we've got this new character and who is she and

445
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: why she is and the reveal. Yeah, it's just a lot.

446
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: I mean, do you guys think it was because we

447
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: were constantly on the bubble and always afraid of it,

448
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: Like they were always afraid that we were going to

449
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: get canceled. They were just trying to shove everything in.

450
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: So here's what's also insane is that, now that we've

451
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: spoken to so many other people who were on shows

452
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 1: in the same era as our show, everyone was always

453
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: told they were on the bubble, and it was it

454
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: was a ploy. It wasn't a real thing. Like, isn't

455
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: that sucks so bad? Guys? It's like finding out about Santa.

456
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: It's just like, what where time we could have been

457
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: having fun instead of strussed scared all the time. Well,

458
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: so the Jacob it all. It's hard for me because

459
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: I see how much fun I'm having with Greenberg. I

460
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: see how much fun Peyton and Jake are having together.

461
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: But Peyton literally just dive bombed her one friendship, like

462
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: her one true love Brook. You know that relationship has

463
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: imploded over Lucas and Peyton's already like watching movies with Jake.

464
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: Just it. As a former teenage girl, I was a

465
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: teenage girl, believe it or not. When you were in

466
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: love with someone, you don't automatically get your head turned

467
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: by someone else. When it falls apart, there is a

468
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: morning process, and I think having so many male writers

469
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: was a detriment because that process was never really explored.

470
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: You know, Brooke just goes straight to like scorched earth

471
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: um and it's like I'm going to destroy everything and

472
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: you're the loser, and you're a loser, and you're a loser.

473
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: You know, Peyton went from being with Nathan to being

474
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,479
Speaker 1: sort of with Luke right away, and then now all

475
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's like this Jake thing is happening,

476
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 1: and it's like, is her only value in being with

477
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: a person like being with a dude? Um, that's hard,

478
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: that's I mean, I'm sure that's something that we deal

479
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: with in real life. But I would have appreciated if

480
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: Jake had gotten the respect he deserved and there would

481
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: have been a little bit of breath between the you know,

482
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: chapters of dudes. Yeah, that's a great point. I do

483
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: think it's interesting when people say, you know, why is

484
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: representation so important? It's stuff like this. You know, if

485
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: there had been more women in positions of power, I

486
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: think maybe that would have been different. I think maybe

487
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: someone would have said, you got to give her a minute,

488
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: Like she's going to go home and cry into her pillow,

489
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: right that's the scene, a scene like where is paying

490
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: at home weeping over this? By the way, where was

491
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: Brooks opportunity to like weep over this? Brook never cries

492
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: right like at home by herself. And it's weird, and

493
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: it's like, and if she's not going to cry, if

494
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: she's the kind of person that's going to refuse, I

495
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: won't allow this to get me so sad or whatever.

496
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: I want to know about that, and I want to

497
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: know why, why is she like that? You know. Also,

498
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: did you guys have nosy teachers at school? No? No,

499
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: I had a camp counselor once who I thought was sweet,

500
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: like she was invested a little bit more than others.

501
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: But I didn't have nosy teachers. My teachers knew every

502
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: boy that I kissed, every boy that I talked to, Like,

503
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: my teachers always knew what I was involved in. And

504
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: so when oh it was so great, and when it

505
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: would go sideways, like they were completely invested in it,

506
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: like and it was incredibly sweet, you know, and so

507
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: they would pull you aside lovingly and like trying to

508
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: give you some good advice and you know, steer you

509
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: in the right direction. There's nobody at Trio High that

510
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: is saying either to the girls like, Babe, this ain't

511
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: worth it, This ain't it, or conversely like saying to Lucas, Dude,

512
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: you were trying to date two girls at once, Like

513
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: that's gross. Don't do that. You know why White, He's

514
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: just concerned about his position on the team and their

515
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: winning record. You know, you know what, I wonder if

516
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: that's why it lands on us and and made us

517
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: all so upset watching this, because there is no one,

518
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: not only holding any of these kids to account, but

519
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: even just giving them advice. I mean, you said it.

520
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: Even Karen's like, oh kid, cut, Oh my god, that's

521
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: the worst her son. Okay, So at the end of

522
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: this night, Lucas has has piste off both girls. He's

523
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: gone missing. He left his phone at home, so he's unreachable.

524
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: He has gone to to a bar. He's reeking of alcohol,

525
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: he's drinking on his pain meds. He goes and he

526
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: has sex with a stranger on a carousel in a mall,

527
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 1: breaking and entering, and then when he calls way too

528
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: much Bronzer on God's sake, when he's run this boy,

529
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: his mother doesn't say, where the hell were you? Why

530
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: do you smell like beer? Why do you smell like

531
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: this cheap perfume? You know? She's like, he gets away

532
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: with it. She's like, Luke, I'm so glad we've had

533
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: this talk. This was protective. Wherever he is right now,

534
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: it happening, bro not happened, No way, no God. How

535
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: do we fix it? You guys? I mean, how do

536
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: we like, how do we look with rose colored glasses

537
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: on this episode? Well, I don't know if we look

538
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: on this episode with rose colored glasses. But I will

539
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: say it helps me to know where we're going. It

540
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: helps me to know who these characters turn into. It

541
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: helps me to know that even though there was a

542
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: clearly like misogynistic, abusive, gross lens on this episode, our

543
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: show does supersede that it does learn over the years

544
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: to advocate better for for women and for us like

545
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: not always not. You know, we are very honest about

546
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: the flaws here, but I I have to say that

547
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: that's kind of the only way I can deal with it.

548
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: And I will say, I will say the one sort

549
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: of stellar moment for me in the in the mess

550
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: of how so many people get treated in this episode,

551
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: I actually did think there was great writing in the

552
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: scene where Lucas comes to bro. Yes, that's a good scene.

553
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: You know. We I's gonna put it out there. We

554
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: had been pushing back for the first fifteen episodes of

555
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: this season. We were like, don't take our clothes off

556
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: and don't like, don't make us do weird stuff. And

557
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: this episode felt a little bit like, Okay, you girls

558
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: want to be the prudes. Cool, We'll let you be

559
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: the prudes and we'll bring in someone else. And the

560
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: performances that came out of that between Barbara and between

561
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: you Rip and Lucas a new asshole, and between Joy

562
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: being this like great plucky best friend that is like

563
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: why are you being so weird? You know that's seen

564
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: in the cafe between you and Lucas and Karen is fantastic.

565
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: You know, you kept the levity of the show going.

566
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: And so I like watching the female performances in spite

567
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: of what was on the page. It makes me feel

568
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: good about what we did as a unit. Me too,

569
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: And it's interesting to find, like you said, Joy, the

570
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: rose colored glasses for me are the winds inside of

571
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: the mess and and kind of the eye of the storm.

572
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: Of this for me is a girl finally beginning to

573
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: know her worth. And when Brook looks at Luke Guess

574
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: and says, I used to feel inferior to you, and

575
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: she realizes that she let all these ideas. She felt

576
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: small around this boy. She felt like she wasn't smart enough,

577
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: for good enough, for well read enough, or didn't know

578
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: enough about music, and she just looks at him and

579
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: it's like, but I'm a good person and you're not

580
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: right now, yeah, yeah, And I was just like, god,

581
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: that's a win. For girls who've been through whatever version

582
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: of this, and I don't know if that might if

583
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: we're doing roses and thorns in the whole episode, is

584
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: a thorn that would be my rose? You know what?

585
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: My roses? Um? NICKI in the bar with her pickup

586
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: lines was so dreamy, which she says, nice eye contact. Um.

587
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 1: That was a pickup line that I'd never heard before.

588
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: Friends me neither. No. Yeah, I've also never seen that

589
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: magic trick before. Wait, but here's the thing. Somebody, somebody

590
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: in the writer room was like, I know a magic trick.

591
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: We got to work it into the episode. Somebody's kid

592
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: did it in science class. They brought it into the

593
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: writer's room and showed everybody and they were like, we

594
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: got to put this. And also she just playing with

595
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 1: matches the whole time, like she's a pyromaniac. Was a fyromaniac.

596
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: So while we watched that was like, she's bad. She

597
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: plays a fire. She's bad, well, because you were like,

598
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: why does she keep lighting things on fire? And I

599
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,479
Speaker 1: was like, it's how we know she's bad, Like who

600
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: did this? So great? But by the way, hats off

601
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: to Emmanuel, we love her. And she came in and

602
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: and she just she committed to everything. But you can

603
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: see on her face that she always felt like she

604
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: had the upper hand. Yeah. Yeah, she always felt in control.

605
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: She was And you know, it's funny because we had

606
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 1: been pushing back and we had been saying, we feel

607
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: really uncomfortable, and the big threat was, well, well, well

608
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: we'll bring in somebody else. And Emmanuel was like, these

609
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: girls are little girls. I'm a grown up and she

610
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: was playing someone over eighteen, you know, that's the difference. Yeah,

611
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 1: And she was like, I like myself, I look badass.

612
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: I feel great about this. And we were like, oh

613
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: my god, she's amazing. Your power to her. We love her.

614
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: I think they thought we were going to hate her,

615
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: and instead we loved her. I think we were all

616
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: like drawn to her. Oh yeah. I had lunch with

617
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: her one time, and she was so like just in

618
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: the middle of the shoe. We just went out and

619
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: grabbed some lunch, and she was like, she's just so interesting,

620
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: so well traveled, so well read. She's very magnetic. Yeah.

621
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: I really liked her. I liked her a lot too.

622
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: Why didn't we sell her? Well, you know who knows,

623
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: so ha ha jokes on them. My Roses also broke

624
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: at the door. I love, I loved. I just loved

625
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: that moment. I really did and it and it still

626
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: spoke to the girl and side of me that gets

627
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: nervous around men I'm attracted to, and I should like

628
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: my tongue swells up six sizes because I don't know

629
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: how to talk, and I'm like, I don't know what

630
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: to do with my Is that your tell? Is that

631
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: how we know you like somebody? Now when we're all together,

632
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: all right, we're all now enjoy No, it doesn't, actually,

633
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: but I do get. I do kind of clam up

634
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: and I get I just start to feel I don't know,

635
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: it's like it's a little girl thing of feeling inferior

636
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: and feeling like I'm not good enough for whatever reason. Um,

637
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm working on it. But but I love that moment

638
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: at the door. That that really was so cool for

639
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: me to watch and it still spoke to me even

640
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: all these years later. I loved it. You did a

641
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: really good job with that. So that was And we

642
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: were all so cold and stressed out this episode. I

643
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: can see the stress on all of us in this episode,

644
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: and guys like knowing what a wet North Carolina winter

645
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: feels like and all of our hands are in our

646
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: pockets and our body these are just like super tense

647
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: and we can't move our mouths. Um, it's just cursed episode.

648
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: Is that we'll call this the cursed episode? That'll be

649
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: the title of the podcast. This one is cursed? Cursed?

650
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: Do we have any listener questions? Oh, that's a great idea. Okay,

651
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: this one's from Alexa. Alexa asks, I've always wondered what

652
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: it was like for each of you when the show

653
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: grew in popularity. What was the most overwhelming part of

654
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: your stardom. Was there anything you had to change about

655
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: your daily routines? Oh? Interesting? Um? I was? I mean,

656
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. We were living in Wilmington's it was

657
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: a little different, Sophia. You were in l A more

658
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: than any of us. Was l A A different? Like? No,

659
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: l A was actually always easier just because there's more

660
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: industry and people seem to care less. Um, I can

661
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 1: certainly go for first because I I think I'm probably

662
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: the person with the worst social anxiety that will take

663
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: care of you. I'm like, outside is hard. Um. That

664
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: was always really hard for me because there was this

665
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: what I realized was that there was an expectation for

666
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: me to be like loud and into it and wanting

667
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: to party like Brooke and um, I love to go

668
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: out and adventure with groups of people I know, but

669
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 1: the the the inward bound from strangers was really hard

670
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: for me. And I actually that apartment that I loved

671
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: so much, I had to move because people people figured

672
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: out that I lived there, and then I could never

673
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: get into my home without someone literally standing in between

674
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: me and my front door. And when you're a single

675
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: girl being alone for the first time, it made me

676
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: feel really really unsafe. And I still feel like deeply

677
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: unsafe when just normal boundaries aren't respected. But that was

678
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: pretty scary. So yeah, I mean my daily routine was

679
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: I had to move out of my apartment and move

680
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: somewhere else. That was kind of a bummer. Hillary, did

681
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: you have any well. I think Peyton helped me establish

682
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: boundaries because I had been the VJ at MTV that

683
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: would like go out into Times Square and be in

684
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: the crowd, and I was always with people and it

685
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 1: was not a big deal when people would be touching me.

686
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: And I will say that like post nine eleven, I

687
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: probably had some PTSD about it. Um. The crowds became

688
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: really scary to me because there was a threat. It

689
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: was like a danger. And I did never think that

690
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 1: I would be the thing that a crowd would collect around,

691
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: that like us filming together would be the thing, because

692
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: before I was always the person just covering the crowd,

693
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. I was peripheral. And so when

694
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: we kind of got thrust into the center of things,

695
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: that was terrifying because there wasn't ever an exit strategy

696
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 1: and I'm always the person that's looking for an exit strategy,

697
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: and so that was kind of weird. But because Peyton

698
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: was so confrontational and so flip, you know, it afforded

699
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: me the luxury of being able to do that in

700
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: real life. And so if someone was crossing boundaries, I

701
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: could say hey you and like they laugh because I

702
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: was in king, you know, And so it it gave

703
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: me a lot of freedom to be ornery in a

704
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: way that was protective UM, which I still utilize that

705
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: like not have that luxury. Yeah you were the nice girl.

706
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: I know everybody expected that Hay to be so nice,

707
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: but I I also grew up with a lot of

708
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: issues with boundaries. But my way of dealing with it

709
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: was not too I would go on the offense and

710
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: like it. I would. I was rude. I was I

711
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: was just like, don't invade my space, leave me alone,

712
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: don't you know? I don't. And I think also, I

713
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: was a New Yorker before I before I got this show.

714
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: I mean I had lived in l A for a year,

715
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: but I grew up in Jersey and in the city,

716
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: and like I was felt like a New Yorker and

717
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: in New York people aren't weird about it. It's just like, hey, girl,

718
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: I want you all my stories, you know, like love

719
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: seeing you like you know, and you just say, hey,

720
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: what's up? And you keep on walking. But having people, yeah,

721
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: find out where you live follow the van home um,

722
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: which happened a lot in Wilmington's um. You know, people

723
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: in restaurants coming up and talking to you in the

724
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: middle of your meal and you're trying to have a

725
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: private conversation. And I didn't know how to handle it

726
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: into what to do. And my my answer to feeling

727
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: suddenly forced into a situation I didn't want to be

728
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: in was to shut it down immediately. I didn't I

729
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: didn't have the tools to learn how to be gracious

730
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: about it or you know, thank you so much. I

731
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. You know, I'm just having a private

732
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: moment right now, but I'd love to come talk with

733
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: you afterward, you know, or whatever. I didn't have those tools.

734
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: I didn't know. There was no way to teach us that. Yeah, yeah,

735
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: so I think that was that was hard. It was

736
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: that was a long lesson to learn because you just

737
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: don't know what to do. What do you do? And

738
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's awkward. Yeah, it takes a long

739
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: time to learn what those boundaries are. And by the way,

740
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: all three of us are pleasers and so hard, it's

741
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: really hard. And it's hard also to learn how to

742
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: set a boundary and then not lose sleep for the

743
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: next three nights feeling guilty about it. Yes, you know,

744
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: and I think I finally had to realize, if you know.

745
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: A friend of mine said this to me. Was like,

746
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: if you worked at a tech company and eight people

747
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: were over your shoulder tapping you on the shoulder, bring

748
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: what are you doing? What are you doing? What are

749
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: you doing? You'd be like stop it. But like, for

750
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: some reason, when you're an entertainer, you're not supposed to

751
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: do that, and so I had to learn what what

752
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: my boundaries were, like I'm not going to get up

753
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: from my meal with my family, but if you're here

754
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: when we're done, I'll see you at the door. Like

755
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: things that could create that, But it's also you've got

756
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: I mean, it might be like you you could be

757
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: nice to the first three people and then the fourth

758
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: person and then the fifth person, by you get time

759
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: to get to the seventh person in the day, and

760
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: you're just tired of being interrupted, and maybe you're having

761
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: a hard day, and maybe there's some crazy happening in

762
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: your life. It's just, oh my god, that's joy. That's

763
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: the worst when you've got happening in your life, which,

764
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: by the way, we were in our early twenties, there

765
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: was happening in our life every other day day, and

766
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: so having to do that and also be like pleasing

767
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 1: and like hey everybody, yeah, of course I want to picture.

768
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: I loved taking pictures of people. But then I also,

769
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it's a secret. I started

770
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: smoking too, because I realized that if I was smoking,

771
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: no one would talk to me. And I was like,

772
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 1: oh my god, joy, this magic trick When I would

773
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: hang out because Peyton can do bad things. Because Peyton

774
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: Sawyer is a bad girl. Her and Nikki should have

775
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: fallen in love instead of falling in hate. So that's

776
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: the thing. It's like. And I wasn't even smoking half

777
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: the time. I was just like holding it because when

778
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: you're doing that, you're unapproachable, right, But if you're just

779
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: standing outside looking at your phone or like doing whatever,

780
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: you're totally approachable. And so yeah, if you want to

781
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: carry around a pack of Virginia Slims and look and

782
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: look real unapproachable, that's the trick. Wow. Yeah, I had

783
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: no idea. That's a good that's a good trick. Yeah.

784
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes people will post pictures of those days on the

785
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: internet and I'm so embarrassed. But I'm also like, you

786
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: know what, I was, Tony too, what do you want

787
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: for me? I was a mess. I'm trying to figure

788
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: it out whatever. I'm growing up now. But a great question.

789
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: It's it's fun to think about that stuff. It's also

790
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: a little cringey because I know I was. I'm sure

791
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: that I was rude to some people that I wish

792
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: I hadn't been, probably too hard to I was just

793
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: like shut it down and nope, I can't. Nope, sorry, no,

794
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: thank you, you know I'm busy or whatever. I just

795
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: didn't you know whatever, We didn't know well. But I

796
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: think it's also it is really worth repeating that you

797
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: can't be all things to all people at all times,

798
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: and especially in a town like ours. There's two sides

799
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: to every coin, right, And like, what an amazing thing

800
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: that during spring break weeks we'd have five hundred people outside.

801
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: My god, I think got about you know well, but

802
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: to realize how much your show means. But also, you

803
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: can't get through town with five hundred people following you around.

804
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: There's a point where you have to go. You gotta

805
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: back up, You've got to stop. I'm just I can't. Also,

806
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: working like we're working long hours and and going out

807
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: and sit chatting with fans, it actually sucks a lot

808
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: of energy out of us. But then we also have

809
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: to still go back and do our job, which is

810
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: why I hardly ever went out and took photos with fans,

811
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: because it's not because I was opposed to it. It

812
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: was that I knew how much energy would suck out

813
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: of me, and I knew that I had a whole

814
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: day's day of workload ahead of me that I wouldn't

815
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: be able to do my job properly if I had

816
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: like released all that energy out to other people. Well,

817
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: especially because you're an introvert, you know, like, yeah, that's

818
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: what I mean. It sucks a lot of energy out

819
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: of me. I made it kind of my thing where

820
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: I was like, at work, I will come when I can,

821
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: and outside of here, please respect my personal life. So

822
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: it made it was the thing that actually made me

823
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: feel free being able to go do that. Um. We

824
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 1: have one of the question from Kristen that is when

825
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: you had musical artists on the show, did you ever

826
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: get to talk or hang out with them? Um? Yeah,

827
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: I feel like we've talked about Gavin, Like Gavin came

828
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: to play pool with us at the bars. Um well,

829
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: I mean I had a mega crush on Grace Potter.

830
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she was awesome girl. And she came out

831
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: with like me and Beth crook Am I think one

832
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: night and I was just like, oh my god, she's

833
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: so cool. She's so cool. Yeah, I loved her. The

834
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: folks stayed on the show a bit. I mean we

835
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: were all too scared to say anything to Cheryl Crowe

836
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: but as the years went on, you know, Kate Vogel

837
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: became a character, Tyler was a character. So it was

838
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: so fun because we got to have Pete Wentz Oh

839
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: my god. Oh like we got to have all these

840
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: wonderful relationships and friendships with people who initially came on

841
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: the show for their music. Yeah, and don't forget Bethany

842
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 1: Joe Lens. I liked our fake music friend Kevin Federline, like,

843
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Kevin lip synced. He did not really sing

844
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: on the show. And we'll tell that story when we

845
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: get there because it's one of my favorite stories in

846
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: the show. Um. But we went out to oh what

847
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: was that bar that was on the corner of Front

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Speaker 1: Street and then like where river View Suites are. All

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Speaker 1: I remember is being in this bar very late at

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Speaker 1: night and Kevin Federline buying everyone's shots and being so

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Speaker 1: lovely and so fun and so like he was awesome.

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Speaker 1: He was. I was so mad they cast him and

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Speaker 1: then he ended up being so lovely and so oh

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Speaker 1: Nick lash was really great. We had a good run.

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Speaker 1: We had a good run. If we could have Okay,

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Speaker 1: so here's my question to piet back that, um, if

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Speaker 1: we could have any musical performer on that would also

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Speaker 1: have to have dinner with us and hang out with

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Speaker 1: us after the fact. Who would we have? Oh man,

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Speaker 1: this is really tough. I know. Listen, I only asked

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Speaker 1: the hard hitting questions. That's hard Pete Yourn, I feel

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Speaker 1: it would be are you gonna kiss Pete Yourn? No?

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Speaker 1: I haven't. I don't even I even listen to his

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Speaker 1: music in many, many years. But I don't know why

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Speaker 1: his name just popped up. I looked up Pete your

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Speaker 1: not long ago joy and he has the same exact

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Speaker 1: hair that he had in two thousand, like the long hair,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, God, bless, Oh that's awesome. I

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Speaker 1: hear Sean Mullins is pretty cool too. Guys. I just

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Speaker 1: want to have dinner with Stevie Wonder. So I picked

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Speaker 1: Stevie one. Yeah, that's a good one. Amazing. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I I had an answer, but you said Stevie, and

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Speaker 1: my brain went straight to Stevie Nicks and I was like, oh, queen,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many legends. There's so many legends. Well,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say boy George because when I was

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Speaker 1: in high school I was obsessed with boy George and

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Speaker 1: I think if we're going to be drama queens and

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Speaker 1: add a layer of bitch to this show, Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's the queen. Um. Yeah, those are good questions. You

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Speaker 1: all want to spin a wheel? Ye? Shall we spend

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Speaker 1: a most likely wheel? I mean, honestly, where did Pete

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Speaker 1: Jorne come from? Why is that in my brain? I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but I'm about to listen to him as

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Speaker 1: soon as we're done. Now I'm gonna go. I know.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna go with Okay, folks, give it to him.

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Speaker 1: So who who's most likely to end up in prison?

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Speaker 1: I think in this episode, Lucas brother is drinking, breaking

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Speaker 1: an addecent exposure in a public place. Yeah, totally, you're right,

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Speaker 1: breaking the law? Yeah? Wait, who's most likely to get

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Speaker 1: arrested in Like Nikki for sure would have been arrested

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Speaker 1: as an accessory, so they're both going to jail. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: and statutory rape, but that's a different story, guys, we're

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Speaker 1: not going to Oh man, I like him young? Can

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Speaker 1: we live that life? That was awful? That's how you

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Speaker 1: know it's a bunch of dudes being like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I wish the hot girl in college and said to

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Speaker 1: me when I was in high school. Gross gross, so gross,

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Speaker 1: I mean in real life and most likely to get

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Speaker 1: arrested Leonora's everything. But by the way, like Lee is

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Speaker 1: the one who at like two o'clock in the morning

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Speaker 1: is like Heckaine from across the street, Like, do we

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Speaker 1: have any like hippies who would be like at the

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Speaker 1: you know, real, I'm selling such an old person calling

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Speaker 1: somebody a HIPPIEPPI. You know, people who would like the

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Speaker 1: man piket lines and who would be like, uh, you

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Speaker 1: know in the front of somebody would get arrested for sofia.

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Speaker 1: It would be yeah, you're for real going to get

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Speaker 1: arrested on a on a protest line at some point?

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Speaker 1: Have you before I've been threatened. No, I've been threatened

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Speaker 1: with arrest on a protest line multiple times. Um. But

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Speaker 1: there's just like a couple of key phrases you need

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Speaker 1: to learn about your rights. And then they're like us

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Speaker 1: that one's read the law and they move on. What

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Speaker 1: are they educated? Well, I'll write you up a whole

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Speaker 1: I'll write you up a whole document. There's there's multiple

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Speaker 1: to learn that they're not going to memorizeiting. Maybe we'll

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Speaker 1: post it in the stories as a resource protest resource.

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Speaker 1: I like, oh my god, yeah, all right, it's your lucas.

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Speaker 1: You guys are trouble. One is political, one is perverted.

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Speaker 1: I'm down, damn the man. The next episode, number seventeen,

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Speaker 1: we have spirit in the nights. It's going to be better,

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Speaker 1: you guys. I believe in the next episode. I believe

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Speaker 1: in us. It cannot be worse than this. Well, here's

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Speaker 1: the thing. We all end up in such awesome places.

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Speaker 1: We gotta turn it around at some point, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll be less cold. Um, So let's see

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Speaker 1: how the next episode shapes up. You guys have been also,

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Speaker 1: thanks for hanging out with us. Guys, thanks Darlin's Hey,

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Speaker 1: thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review.

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