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Speaker 1: Diego State which Ta Marshall, and then I I never

425
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Speaker 1: forget I played with the A Sports of the Pumps team, right,

426
00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 1: and we play we played in Carmichael against Carolina and

427
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 1: we're up like fifteen at the half and all of

428
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 1: a sudden, like it was I. It was literally five

429
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: on eight And never remember going like like it was me,

430
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 1: Me and Drew Barry with a backcoat. Right, so all

431
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: time it's Sister or Georgia Tech all time and Sister

432
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: open the state and he's obviously very very good, and

433
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 1: we're just killing him. And I'll never forget this that

434
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 1: we're playing. At some point in time it's a bad

435
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 1: call and I could hear, um, I could hear is that?

436
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: Uh Hugh d No, what was Durham? What was the

437
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: guy's named the play the guy for Carolina? Oh something Westernham, Westerham.

438
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: So we're walking over to the bench for a time

439
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 1: out and you know, he said, you know time he

440
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 1: takes his headphones on. He says, got you didn't take

441
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: they'll go let you win? Did you. I was like, no, no, now,

442
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: well lost by two and had no chance, no chance

443
00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 1: at all. There's no better feeling. And I've been fortunately

444
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 1: a couple of times a though, to be at the

445
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: low major level and win a guarantee game, you know

446
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: when you get it's uh about as good as it gets. Man,

447
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 1: It's it's almost like a tournament went there. They're about

448
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: the same. Oh I think bigger. I think harder too.

449
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 1: I mean, here's here's what's interesting. Here's what's interesting about it.

450
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: So Ross is a friend of mine. I like him. Okay,

451
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 1: there's there's no malice what I'm gonna say, but his

452
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: like it's the epitome of brutality. Like, no, it ain't

453
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 1: going the other fucking locker room, brother, the other locker room.

454
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 1: That's the greatest day. Like those kids got a hundred

455
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: grad for their school and they won the game. Like

456
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: that's it's something. It's it's the greatest thing ever. That's

457
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: an unbelievable feeling, unbelievable, unbelievable. Um, it's uh, yeah, you're right.

458
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: It probably because the n C A term. By that time,

459
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 1: you've got respect and um, you know, like to your

460
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: point on early in the game when they're paying that

461
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: type of money and the refs no it, and you

462
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: know you get big twelve of uh and those how

463
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 1: those refs don't want to cook. And you know usually

464
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 1: what happens is those refs will caught, like you know,

465
00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: and then when if you can get it to the

466
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: last couple of minutes, they'll give you the respect at

467
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: that point, right, you know you'll you'll but uh until

468
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: for the for those other thirty eight minutes. Man, you

469
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: got you gotta be ten or fifteen points better? Man,

470
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: maybe maybe twenty maybe maybe? Um, how does the guy

471
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: grew up in Midland? I know you moved to which

472
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: tough hall, but but how do how do you? How

473
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: do you become a basketball guy? Like? That's football country, yeah,

474
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: no doubt. And my whole famili's football. Right. My granddad's

475
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 1: in the Texas High Hall of Fame. The football stadium

476
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 1: we grew up with is named after him. My dad

477
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: was a football coach. Now my brother in law is

478
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 1: a football coach. Um, you know what's crazy, It's like

479
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: just became I played basketball athlen Christian for four years.

480
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: Beer got the job at Fort Scott Community College. Um,

481
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,719
Speaker 1: I took off to go work for him, went on

482
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: two recruiting trips with him. He was gonna pay me.

483
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: I think it was like a hundred bucks a month

484
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: plus room and board. So note nothing. Um, and I

485
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: got offered a job at South Garland High School for

486
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: like thirty five thousand, which at that time to me

487
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: was like a million bucks. Right, um, twenty two year

488
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: years old. And so I left Beard at Fort Scott

489
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 1: and went to South Garland to start coaching basketball, and um,

490
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: I just really never never went back. Man, I just

491
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: kind of kept coaching basketball. I thought I was gonna

492
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: be a high school coach. Wait, wait before before we

493
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: get that. Okay, So in Midland? Okay, which which high school?

494
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: Did you? Were? You supposed to feed into the Midland.

495
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: So I've been in to Midland High School? So ya,

496
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: that's Odessa. You have Odessa right? What else? And then

497
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,719
Speaker 1: Odessa High and Nodessa Permian yep? And and those are

498
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: the big those are the big rivals. Or is where

499
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: where's Midland fit in the in the football rivalry? Yeah?

500
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: Huge rod Midland High Middley was a huge rivalry when

501
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: I was there. Middle League was a football school, so

502
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: they dominated in football. Um, that's kind of the old

503
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: Friday night lights, Middle le Odessa, permian Um and then UM,

504
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: Middland High was known as a basketball school. Um, who

505
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: did you played fort High School? I played forgotting Jack Stevenson.

506
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: What was he like? Uh? Players? Coach opened the gym

507
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 1: up every morning at five o'clock. Uh, you can get

508
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: you know, two hours to run in from five to

509
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: seven every morning. Um. And then he would keep the

510
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: gym open late at nine and take you home. He

511
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: was just uh did everything, relationship builder, guys love. He

512
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: was one of those coaches that if you played for him,

513
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: you loved him. If you played against him, you hate him. Um.

514
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 1: He validated himself. Uh. My my senior year, Uh, they

515
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 1: went the state championship and then um his Uh, like

516
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: two or three years later you have Blake Johnston and

517
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 1: Fremor Blake that played at OHU Blake Blay played there

518
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: at Middland High. Um, there was a kid Charles paid

519
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: him that played in Arkansas on that team. Uh, and

520
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: then a kid at Rise. So he was able to

521
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: win a state championship. But h hell of a coach.

522
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: Man coach there at Midland for like twenty thirty year,

523
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: long long time so why did you go to hell?

524
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: Nobody else recruited me? And then who who is who

525
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: is the coach? The coach? There was a guy but

526
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: then Tony malden Um Tony was there for my first

527
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: two years, and then we had a coaching change, uh,

528
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: and went with played for a guy named Shannon Hayes.

529
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: What level was it then? That was D two? What

530
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: was it like? And we weren't worth a ship? We

531
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: were we were terrible. Uh, you know, you know, you know, listen,

532
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: most guys, most guys I had one and we started,

533
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, they talking about the old days, like, man,

534
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: we were good. These guys think that jacks Like now

535
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: we weren't with the ship. We weren't here we were

536
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: with the ship man. And then uh, obviously our coach

537
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: got let go. And then uh, my my senior year,

538
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: we had a good team. Um. In fact, my my

539
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: our center on my team was now the athletic director

540
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: at North Texas, guy by the name of Jared Moseley.

541
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: He just got the E D job a couple of

542
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Um was on our team and he had

543
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,239
Speaker 1: grown up and become a really good player. He had

544
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: developed um Beard Beard was our assistant coach and Beard. Well, hell,

545
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,959
Speaker 1: we all know one thing about Beard. He can recruit, right,

546
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: even Mack then he could recruit and so he he

547
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: recruited over me. It's another great Beard story of of

548
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: screwing Joe Golding. But he, uh he recruited over me

549
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: some really really really good players. And I lost my

550
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: damn scholarship, Doug my senior year. Uh that they cut

551
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: me into a partial uh so they could get other players. Man,

552
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: But uh so I I just paid off my school

553
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: and literally like five years ago because the Beards asked.

554
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: But uh we we we won a lot of games finally,

555
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: you know, so there was I'll take a winning any day. Um.

556
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: What was the school like, because I know it's You've

557
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: been there three times, so it's got to be amazing

558
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: to like popping in like see and work at a

559
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: school that changes mid nineties. What was Appilen Christian? Yeah?

560
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,959
Speaker 1: Very conservative? Uh you know it. It was run by

561
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: the Church of Christ Church. The school president was always

562
00:28:52,000 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: a preacher. Uh, but very very conservative. Uh you're literally, Doug. Uh,

563
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'll say, the Sports Illustrated remember the

564
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated swimsuit issues. Yeah, yeah, absolutely right, so like

565
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: I always had Sports Illustrated every week I got delivered.

566
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: That's what my parents do for me. You know. I

567
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: was a big deal fact. Um And anyways, the swimsuit

568
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: issue I had, I had him in magazines, all my

569
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: sports illustrates. I brought him to the former room with

570
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: me and literally the first night, what do you call

571
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: those guys are a yeah, yeah, my damn swimsuit issue

572
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: and said that wasn't allowed in the dorm all at aveling.

573
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: So I knew right then it's gonna be a long

574
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: long year. Man like man, they didn't even find the

575
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: good stuff. Yeah, you couldn't go out, or you couldn't drink.

576
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: You had curfew. We went to chapel every day. He

577
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: was very very conservative. Um. I struggled Doug with it,

578
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: honestly my freshman year, man, I struggled with it. It

579
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: was a it was a big time changed for me.

580
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't church or Christ. If you know anything about

581
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: the Church of Christ there they know what is it? Well,

582
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: they do acapella music. They don't play any instruments. So

583
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: you get in there to sing, man and everybody knows

584
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: all the worst of these songs. They had these people, Well, hello,

585
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up. I didn't know the words of

586
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: the songs and I can't sing either, So I was

587
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 1: the best lip speaker for a year you've ever seen man,

588
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: just to fit in bro I did. I did the

589
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: same that I was Notre Dame, and when I visited,

590
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: They're like, you don't gotta go to math. But then

591
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: like everyone goes, literally everybody got the entire campus goes

592
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: and like the whole team goes, like, you know, it's

593
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: just come for team building whatever, and then you gotta

594
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: like stand up, sit down, you know, fight fight, fight,

595
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: and everybody knows that the word by the end, you know,

596
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: by by the time we got to the end of

597
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: the season, I knew, you know, the our Father and

598
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: all this other stuff, but I didn't know any of it.

599
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: And I remember I was in theology class and um,

600
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 1: the priest was saying, what you know, they believe and

601
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: I remember raising my hand and go like, I think

602
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm a veg. I think it was, and he was

603
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: like he was Australia's like, I like to all my

604
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: you know, okay, so so you get you get them playing.

605
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: Beard had already left for Fort Scott did he called

606
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: you say, I'm leaving Forward Scott, you want to come?

607
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: Like what was what was the dynamic like that? Yeah,

608
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: So he were that team um at the end of

609
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: my So he was our assistant at my year and

610
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: then and then left recruited that whole figure year. Then

611
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: he left, he got the job at North Texas for

612
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: Vick Trulli, who was Tom Pinner's assistant. Uh. And so

613
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: he he got the job at North Texas as an

614
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: assistant coach uh for that last year, and then he

615
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: moved to Fort Scott. So he called me just said, hey, uh,

616
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, I get I get this jukeco job at

617
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: Fort Scott. I can't pay anything, but you know, if

618
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,239
Speaker 1: you want to assistant coach, uh, you know, come on, man,

619
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: let's go. So the funny at the art of this

620
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: was when I when I ended up leaving there to

621
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: go to Scout's Garland High School, he ended up keeping

622
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: the assistant coach that was there at the time that

623
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: he didn't know that guy was Brett Tanner, you know.

624
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: And then Brett Tanner ends up becoming my assist at

625
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: Avelyne Christian years later and now and now the head

626
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: coach at Avelen Christian, So pretty funny story and that

627
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: that's a crazy story. Okay, So so he hurs you

628
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: to go to Fort Scott. What what is what is that? Like?

629
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: What how do you how do you know how to

630
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do? Right? Because because again this

631
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 1: is from my snapshot of it, there's not a lot

632
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: of instruction time. There's just a here's a you know,

633
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 1: put on a like the old Billy Clyde when he

634
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: took the job at Tulsa, right, I think he was

635
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: at Baylor. They took the Tulsa job. He's like, just

636
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: send me some polos. I'll do the but you got

637
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: you hadn't ever got a Fort Scott polo. I wasn't

638
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: there long enough. Man. We went on literally for three

639
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: recruiting trips. I was uh, I was listening to Beard,

640
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: you know, the whole time, and just kind of learning.

641
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: Beer was young, obviously too, but he had had experience

642
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: at U in North Texas. Um, he was young, hungary.

643
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: He was going to conquer the world, right, he was

644
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: gonna win the national championship at Fort Scott, and for

645
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: Scott was probably the only job in the true that

646
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: Beer could get a head coaching job, right, like, uh, um,

647
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: you know that that was the one thing about him

648
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: and I both We both got our jobs early on

649
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: as we were grinding. They were they were bad jobs,

650
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: right Like when I became the head coach at h U,

651
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: it was one of the worst Division two jobs in

652
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: the country. Um and um, you know that's when I

653
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: was a high school head coach at Sacks. He was

654
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: a brand new high school. We had no players, no talent.

655
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: When when you're you're you're gonna ahead of yourself. I

656
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: want to tell this thing. In chronological order, I gotta

657
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: I gotta get that's that's if that's how the brain.

658
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: The brain works so much better that way. There you

659
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: when you go when you go in chronological order. So okay,

660
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: So so you get to you get to South Carlin

661
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: High School? Yeah what what? What level? They played? So

662
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: that was the big high school at the time. So

663
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: it was the five A high school, which is was

664
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: at the time the highest classification. Hey do you have

665
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: any players? Zero? Hey, I'm the freshman B team basketball coach. Um.

666
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: And I didn't say that you said I left for

667
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: When you said you took the South Darlin job at

668
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: thirty five, I thought that was the head coaching job.

669
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: You're the beating coach, freshman B team basketball coach, and

670
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: freshman football coach right out of Yeah, and I world geography.

671
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 1: I think world history World. Can you imagine me back

672
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: cold History team? Those kids that happen you're thinking, man,

673
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: oh my god. Well the one that brought you know,

674
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: some dip to class, they probably did better than the

675
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: ones that didn't bring the dip to class. There's no

676
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: right class there. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, Okay, So you um

677
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: so you show up. You gotta coach football and that

678
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: starts before school ever begins. Yeah, did you did you

679
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 1: play football growing up? So? I played my senior year. Yeah,

680
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: I played my senior year and played senior high school

681
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: high school. I played, um, so I had a little

682
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: bit experienced in it. Um. Freshman football is really simple,

683
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: dog man. You're basically just just developing those freshman getting

684
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: in the weight room and trying to get a numbers

685
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: game right and keep them happy so they continue to

686
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: stay in football's as they continue to mature and grow

687
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: and lift. Um. And then your most important job as

688
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: a freshman football coaches you have. At that time, we

689
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: didn't have synergy and huddle and all the stuff they

690
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: have today. You had two big cameras. You went to

691
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: the top of the press box. One coach worked a

692
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: wide angle, the other coach worked the tide angle. So

693
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: you film the varsity game and then you went home

694
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: on Friday after the game and you slice tape on

695
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: the wide angle on the tide angle. So when the

696
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: varsity coaches got their Saturday morning, they had all their

697
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: tape cut and ready to go. So the negative of

698
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: that is it was a long Friday night. Um, you

699
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: didn't get to use it, didn't get a home till

700
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: about four or five in the morning, and you're sometimes

701
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: up at the top of a press box was freezing

702
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: cold outside. The positive of that was you got Saturday,

703
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: Saturday off and Saturday night off to go out and

704
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: have some fun. Man, So there was positive and negas

705
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: both of Um, were you guys any good in football?

706
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: You know what we we were deeping if I remember correctly, Uh,

707
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: I think we might have made the play offs? Uh

708
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: one one of those two years. I'm not sure, but

709
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: we weren't a powerhouse like Texas School. Okay, so then

710
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: named basketball, You're what how did you play? Well? How

711
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 1: do you decide? I'm gonna coach this, How'm gonna play? Yeah.

712
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: So I worked for a guy Hiven Garland Nichols. Um

713
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: and Garland was it was now passed away, but he was.

714
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: He's in the Hall of Fame, big time Texas high

715
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: school basketball coach, very well known, one to one to one,

716
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 1: a ton of games. Um and uh kind of ahead

717
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: of the game man he was. He was a college recruiter. Uh,

718
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: but but in high school. But he always had players,

719
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: um and um, so I kind of learned from him. Um.

720
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: We had a staff now of Gerald Hudson, who's now

721
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: the superintendent at Cedar Hill. One of the other assistance

722
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: at the time, David Lay is the head coach at

723
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: Houston Memorial. So there was like three or four of

724
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: us man and we worked for coach Nichols, and Um,

725
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know what the hell I was doing, Doug Man.

726
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: I had to beat team and we were lucky to

727
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: freaking have break a press you know, you know, freshman

728
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: basketball eight presses because uh, kids can't dribble or pass

729
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: and so it's just a turnover game. But um, I

730
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: don't remember. I remember I had two twins, two little

731
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: two little kids. The English brothers there were the only

732
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: two kids on my team that could dribble. UM, and

733
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: I tried to put together a game plan for that.

734
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 1: But I wasn't a very good coach at that time,

735
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: and UM our team wasn't very good either, did it?

736
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: I loved it. I had a blast. Man. I loved coaching,

737
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: and I knew that's what I wanted to do. UM.

738
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: But but after that year, I stayed there two years.

739
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: My second year, I became a varsity assistant. UM, So

740
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: then I didn't have to do football anymore. I just

741
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: became the basketball varsity assistant. So year two was a

742
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: little better of straight basketball, and that's kind of when

743
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: I probably took off on it. The only thing that

744
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: bothered me, Doug, is go back to your high school

745
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: days and again me being a gypsy. Um. Every fifty

746
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: minutes we were on a seven seven period plan or

747
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: eight eight period plan, and every fifty minutes that Dan

748
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: bell would ring and tell you where to go right um,

749
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: And that was starting to wear on me. Man, I

750
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: wasn't a big fan of that. That's that's amazing. UM. Okay,

751
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: So what did you do next? What was the next stop?

752
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: So the next move was so this happened quick mass

753
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: Seminar with Beard. Beard gets the job with Coach Knight.

754
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: Uh he has uh literally three or four months of

755
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: him being a job with me there. Um, he gets

756
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: the job at at Texas Tech with coach. That's when

757
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: coach went to to Lubbock and a guy by the

758
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: name of j. T. Lockler took over. And so I

759
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: worked for JT for a year there at Seminal Las

760
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: Kid remember Ella's kids local state. He played for us

761
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: there at Seminal. So what's that conversation like, because I

762
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: guess you had done into Beard right when you took

763
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: the job and then left with South Darlin. But to

764
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: take a job to go work for a guy, then

765
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: like three months later he's like, hey, man, I gotta

766
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: go thank this job. Yeah. He he basically called us,

767
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 1: Hey listen, this is JT is gonna be the head coach.

768
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: That was kind of startup. You know. Beard has always

769
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: been known for this everywhere he's gone. Um, Doug the

770
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: assistant has gotten the head coaching job. Right. Oh, it

771
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: started back at Fort Scott. He left Force Scott and

772
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: Brett Tanner got the head job, and then he left

773
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: Seminar to go work at Tech and JT got the

774
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: head job and then obviously look at his track record

775
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: from McMurray all the way to Angelo State, Uh a

776
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: Little Rock to uh Texas Tech everywhere since that point

777
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: he's left, his assistant has gotten a job. So uh.

778
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: He basically said that he was going to Tech to

779
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: work for what he thought at the time was one

780
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: of the best, or if not the best coaching college basketball.

781
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: He thought it was something he had to do for

782
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: his career, and um, good luck to us. Yeah, that's

783
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: that's hard to hard to argue that one right now. Yeah,

784
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: no question, hard hard hard to argue. What was Seminar like?

785
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: So small town, good people, Uh, really good baseball program. Um.

786
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: I think they had a really good softball program as well. Um,

787
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: none of this is a basketball program. The best thing

788
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: about Seminar was it was like forty five minutes away

789
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma City. You know, you can get to Oklhoma

790
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: City pretty quick. Where is where is Seminlar? Try by

791
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City? Shanny you know where, Shawny ok Okay, Okay,

792
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: Now do you play? Who do you play? Oh? God,

793
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: darn Doug? Who was in our league? Man? Oh ship? Uh?

794
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: Murray State maybe there were Oklahoma McK murray, McMurray, McMurray. Yeah.

795
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: I don't even remember Doug who was who was Roger

796
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: Rogers State? I don't know if they were not. I

797
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: really don't remember. What are you making? How m are

798
00:40:53,800 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: you making? There? Oh? Nothing? Man? Uh? Five thousands? Okay?

799
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: So why why do that and not work for Beard

800
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: instead of making thirty five maybe forty grand right now?

801
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: And do high school in Texas? Yeah? So you know

802
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: when I when I when I left Beard and went

803
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: to high school again, like I told him in the bills,

804
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: the class periods tell me what to do and the

805
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: structure throw me crazy. Uh. And then I also always

806
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: wanted to coach in college, man, like I wasn't. I

807
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: wasn't like you. I mean, I wasn't a good enough

808
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 1: player to play the Divisional on basketball and get you had.

809
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: I was a Division two player and at that um

810
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: it always grew up. Wanted to be a part of

811
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 1: March Madness right um, and one part of the NSKA tournament.

812
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 1: And you know I used to get out of school.

813
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: My parents would give me out of school on that

814
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: Thursday night. Thursday and Friday, we sit and watch all

815
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: there's this kind of tradition of what we did. And

816
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: so UM, when Beard went on that journey and started

817
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: going to college. UM, when I went to high school

818
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: for two years, that's a route that my family has

819
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: always done. So going college was obviously there was a

820
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,959
Speaker 1: ton of risk involved because we knew nobody, and that's

821
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: not kind of what our legacy was as a family me.

822
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: But UM, I just felt like it was something I,

823
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: you know, drink, I wanted to follow, but I didn't

824
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: know what the hell I was doing. Okay, So seminar

825
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: last how long? So one year, um, and I get

826
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: the job at Saxy High School. UM, new high school.

827
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: As you said, it was brand well and I always

828
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: get the job because the defensive coordinator at South Garland

829
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: High School, he got the head football job right at Saxy,

830
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: so he knew me. Um, and he was asked a coordinator,

831
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: which is the only reason I got job. I think

832
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm like twenty six seven at this time, UM, head

833
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: high school coach and still don't know what the hell

834
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm doing. UM, And and we're and no players. UM,

835
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: but now you have now you have some coaching, and

836
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: you have a couple of different coaching trees and styles

837
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: under your belt. Right, you have your own high school coach,

838
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: your own junior college you on your own coach and

839
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: a billen. You've got a couple of guys you've worked for.

840
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: You've been a head coach. Granted limited, you know, you

841
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: limited what you can do when you're a freshman B

842
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: team coach. Now you're a varsity coach. How are you coaching?

843
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: What is your style? Like? Yeah, you know what I

844
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: had taken a little bit from what I learned at

845
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: South Garland at that point in time, UM and tried

846
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: to implement a program to put in place, uh kind

847
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: of that that that what South Garlan was, but we

848
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 1: obviously didn't have the players and the talent level um

849
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: like that. But it was a really fun two years

850
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: for me, Um, Doug. Those kids played their butts off, right, Uh,

851
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: tried to build a little bit of a culture. Um.

852
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: You know, we we tried to build relationships for those kids.

853
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: A lot of the framework started back then of what

854
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: we believe in now. Um with those kids and you

855
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 1: you really had to coach these guys because the talent

856
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: level wasn't there. They played really really hard, Um, but

857
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: but the talent wasn't there. Necessarily, so we had to

858
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: coach them up and do some things. And uh, if

859
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: you you know, obviously Texas high school basketball there's no

860
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: shot clot which for the really good teams that's bad news,

861
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: but for teams that are shitty, it's great news, right

862
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: because you can hold the basketball right, um and so um.

863
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: Just different styles of playing. But we we didn't play

864
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: crazy fast. We didn't have the talent to play crazy fast.

865
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: We slowed it down a little bit back then, and

866
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: ransom flex old school flex. You know, we ran a

867
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: little uh trying to think of what all, maybe a

868
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: little most The problem with motion when you're not any

869
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: good is everybody's touched the ball right by the time

870
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: he gets back to the players who you want to

871
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 1: have the ball turn it over with. That's my problem

872
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: with motion in general, No question, you can't. You know,

873
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 1: anybody who coaches is a bit of a control freak,

874
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: and you can't. It is out of your control. Man,

875
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: once you do motion, and oftentimes the guy who's the

876
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,959
Speaker 1: most open is upen. For a reason, beer Beer keeps

877
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 1: saying he runs motion. Beer don't run motion. Beer running

878
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: Now they don't work on motion all summer. Yep. The day,

879
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: they don't run a middle ball screed. I said, you

880
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: know who is it they lost to? Was it Illinois?

881
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: They lost to? In the garden? And I was like,

882
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: what what are you? What are you doing that last?

883
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: Did you run a set? He's like, what we we wanted

884
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: to get, you know, a paint in touch to kick out.

885
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: We did, and I was like, well, you know, if

886
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: you run a set, you'll get the specific look or

887
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: the counter that you want, or we can just read it,

888
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: you know, read it the right way. And I was like,

889
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: all right, whatever. Anyway, that's that's my thing. The motion

890
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: is is you know, it's impossible to scout, but it's

891
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: also impossible for your own coach to kind of stop

892
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: sometimes when you get momentum or the wrong shots been taken. Yep,

893
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you, man. I ran motion early

894
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: in my career, obviously back to them, but then even

895
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: when I first got to UM and we didn't have

896
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: good enough players then either, and then and that was

897
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: the problem. So UM that was kind of my limited

898
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: time of with motion. The problem now is that anything

899
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: you teach a kid off the ball, it's the first

900
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: time they've learned it. They don't know anymore. Everything's ball

901
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: screen from the time, everything's ball street, everything's ball screen

902
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: or play off penetration. You know, they're well coached. They

903
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: know how to relocate and get your feet set and

904
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: maybe interchange, but they have to be defined movement relocating

905
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: our penetration. Nobody knows how to read a screen. Do

906
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: you how to read a ball screen? You don't how

907
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: to read screen? Which is crazy, you know. Even right

908
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: now we run two games, So that's what kind of

909
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 1: change and we'll get there, you know. But my few days,

910
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: Billy Gillest became and spent a lot of time with

911
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: us UM because he was at Ranger Junior College, and

912
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: that's kind of what changed everything. He convinced me to

913
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: go to two game the old Bill self. Uh, two

914
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: games from back when Bill ran in a Tulsa UM

915
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: in Illinois. And that's what we made the switch to.

916
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: That at Avlene Christian changed everything you know for us

917
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: in our program. Um, okay, so, uh, what looks it

918
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: like to go a little bit backwards? Right your junior

919
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: college junior and now you're now you're back in high

920
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: school and and you have this damn bells again or

921
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: did you did you pass an ordinance where there's no

922
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: bells in your office. No, I'm back to the bells.

923
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: But I got a little bit more freedom because of

924
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: my head coach. Now right, Um, so you so now

925
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: now I'm a pe for two periods and then I

926
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: get an off period like a planning period, and then

927
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: I get my basketball period. So we were on a

928
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: four periods four periods there, blocked schedule was what they

929
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: called it. So a little bit more freedom. Um, but

930
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't ask structure with the bells, and I wasn't

931
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: in the classroom and that sheees, yeah, I think I

932
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: think siminar was eye opening to me. And then and

933
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: then and then beard leading and then I get back

934
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: and then now I'm back to being a head high

935
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: school coach, way earlier than what I deserved to be. Um.

936
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: But at this point in time, I met my wife.

937
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: She was a cheerleading sponsor, a math teacher there at SAXY.

938
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: So my life, my life was starting to go that direction,

939
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: right like kinda get married, um, coach high school basketball.

940
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: I have a family and and raised the family there

941
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: and kind of that be your your legacy, you know,

942
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: how did you meet your wife? So? Um? She she

943
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: was at Saxy obviously again brand new school, and there

944
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of teachers then, right because there wasn't

945
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: as many students in those early years. And she was

946
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: a cheerleading sponsor, so she was there every game. Um,

947
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: and uh, you know she hung outt I guess when

948
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 1: the coaches a bunch, and she had a serious boyfriend.

949
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: She'd been dating a guy for a long time. She

950
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: actually had moved with him to graduated from the University

951
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: of Texas and uh so did he and they were

952
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: really really serious, and um, I guess they broke up.

953
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: I never they broke up my second year at SAXY

954
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: or I guess my first year maybe right with the

955
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: Texas Oklamba football game was and uh anyways, long s shot.

956
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: We dated and it happened quickly, dated for like a year, um,

957
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: and then got married. That's the biggest thing. Our first

958
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: date was a high school football game. Uh yeah, romantic.

959
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: And then we had an engagement party over at where

960
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: I was living at the time and invited my family

961
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: and her family and a bunch of friends and this

962
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: huge storm blew in and we were back, We're gonna

963
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: go back to that football field. And I was gonna

964
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: propose her on the fifth yard line at the football

965
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: field where we had our first date. In the damn

966
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: uh storm blew in. It's like a tornado warning. And

967
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 1: long story short, we went back to Saxy High School

968
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: and they have one of those uh where you park

969
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: underneath like a room you know what I'm talking about,

970
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: dry where you don't get rained on you or whatever,

971
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 1: and like a big car poard Canada, like a car poard.

972
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: I proposed her in a day of cardboard at Saxy

973
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: High School. Screwed man the best. I mean, listen, you

974
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: got lower expectations there that way that I did. Right,

975
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: It's like when Harry met Sally. That's why you don't

976
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: ever drop a girl off at the airport earlier relationship

977
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: because then later, Regent, why don't you drop me off

978
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: the airport anymore? Right? The only way to go when

979
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: you ask a woman to marry you, when the car

980
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: board at high school parking lot, everything else is on

981
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: the way up, no doubt, there's no doubt. And then

982
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: it gets great, man, because literally we've been very We

983
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: buy a house, first house, so you know here we're

984
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: going three years. I've gone from making you know, I

985
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: don't know, five thousand dollars a seminals offered. Beard offered

986
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: me two hundred fifty bucks. But I'm making like fifty thousand,

987
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: probably as the head high school coach at Saxy UM,

988
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,280
Speaker 1: because you gotta have you make money in Texas teaching

989
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: about your year's experience. Right. Yeah, so, uh, I'm making

990
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: maybe forty five or fifty head coach. My wife, we're

991
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: we're rolling, man. We we bought us the house. Uh,

992
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: everywhere where the house? So the house is in Uh,

993
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: I think it was in Proulette, which is a suburb

994
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: of Garland and Saxy right there, there's a nice little

995
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 1: to three bedroom, small great house right for for newlyweds.

996
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: Uh how much? Oh god dang Doug, my wife, No,

997
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 1: I have no idea what what yours is? Two thousand

998
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: and graduating in two thousands? Two thousand and three, right,

999
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: two thousand three, three, four or five? Yeah, somewhere there. Yeah, Okay,

1000
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: so two thousand three, I'm gonna go a buck fifty,

1001
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: maybe above or below buck fifty because my first my

1002
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: first house is in Oklahoma City, and uh, we had

1003
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: gotten back from playing in Russia. We came back and

1004
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: we just had an apartment still Water, Israel. We came

1005
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: back and we got a house in Oklahoma City and

1006
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: I bought it for a buck fifty on thirty sixth

1007
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: Streets right next to the the uh the Broadway Extension.

1008
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: Like literally, if you walk out the door, there's the

1009
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: big wall there, which I guess blocks off the sound.

1010
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: And I sold it a year later kind of same

1011
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: thing where I got it. Like a year later, I

1012
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: got offered ESPN job and I took it live there

1013
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: and I think we sold it flight when I met

1014
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: made money. You don't make a lot of money Oklahoma

1015
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: City on the houses, but we did. We sort of

1016
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: like a buck eighty five or something. It was a

1017
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: cute one, but yes, so okay, So then when did

1018
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 1: you you went to it? Uh? Colin County? Yeah, Where's

1019
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: where's Colin County? Yeah? So Colin tis the plain. Oh.

1020
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: The guy by the name of Jim Sicone has been

1021
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: a coach there for forever. We call him the godfather

1022
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: um and uh really really good friend of beards. At

1023
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: the time, I didn't know him. We were at the

1024
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: water Burger Tournament, which is one of the biggest tournaments

1025
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: in the Metroplex. Back in the day. In the early

1026
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: two thousands. Now it's still there. It's still a great tournament,

1027
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: very well run, a lot of tradition. Um, they bring

1028
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: me as big a water Burger guy, as he is

1029
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 1: not as big as beer. But I do like water Burger,

1030
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: but I'm not. I'm not. I'm not like BEERD like it.

1031
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: It's in. He's insane with how particular he is about

1032
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: every part of the order and so literally he knows

1033
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: this and he'll attest to it. Every time I'm in

1034
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 1: a in a in a parking lot of water Burger

1035
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: parking lot or drive through, I'll text him like, all right,

1036
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: do you give me the order again. He's like, you

1037
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: don't have it, man. I delete all my I delete

1038
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: my messages after like thirty days, and they want to

1039
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: have me California. So it's a but every time I

1040
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: go buy a water Burger, I turned left and I

1041
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: texted him. I was like, hey, man, send me the

1042
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: order whatever. He's all in. He's all in on it,

1043
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: like he could be national spokes And I like it, man,

1044
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: I I do like it, but uh not not. So

1045
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 1: you have the water Burger Tournament tournament, and I'm sitting

1046
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: there with Beard and of course beards that love now

1047
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: and there was a bunch of coaches there. I'm just

1048
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: hanging out with Beer for the day and he I said,

1049
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: you know what, Beer Man like, I haven't given up

1050
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: on college yet. Man. He was like no, He's like,

1051
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: I think you need to go college. I think it

1052
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: would be a great route. But you're gonna have to

1053
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to make some sacrifices and um, you know,

1054
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: you just don't get into this business because you get

1055
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: you know your dad did in coach Division one. You

1056
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: know you're gonna have to You're gonna do something crazy. Man.

1057
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: You gotta go work for nothing and do something crazy

1058
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: and work your butt off and and earn some loyalty

1059
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: points and um. So anyways, he's like, we could get

1060
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: this started today and I'm like, what are you talking about? Said, well,

1061
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: he walks me into the coach's hospitality room and Jim

1062
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: Sagona is in there, and he basically tells Jim Sagona, Hey,

1063
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: do you need an assistant coach? And Jim's like, if

1064
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: it's free, Uh, you know absolutely, And uh I got.

1065
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: I got to know Sagona that that day, kept in

1066
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 1: touch with him all spring. Um, and then here we go,

1067
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: in my dumbass, that summer just completely quit. So I've

1068
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: just been married for like literally six months. We got

1069
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: married in March. Um, by June or July, I quit

1070
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: my job as a head coach at Saxy and Witnes

1071
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: as a volunteer assistant at Colin County. And then what

1072
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: did your wife say? She she again thought I was crazy,

1073
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying that. That was the first time

1074
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: I thought she was gonna leave me right like it's over, Like,

1075
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: it's what are we doing? What are you doing? Um?

1076
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: We we just had this house, and um, now I'll

1077
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: give her credit. I so, honey, I want to be

1078
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: a college basketball coach and I have to do this.

1079
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: And she didn't understand that, right, she didn't grow up

1080
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: in a family of coaches or anything like that. And uh,

1081
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: to give her credit, She's like, hey, you got one

1082
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: year to get this done. You know, Um, I can

1083
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: support you for one year. Um, you can go there

1084
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: to Colin County and work and and and see. But

1085
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: after that we're gonna have to figure this out. Right.

1086
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: So she she was actually supportive, but I think literally,

1087
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: looking back on it, but it was it was a dumb, dumb,

1088
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: dumb move at the at the time. You know, Um,

1089
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: how far is Garland from play Out? So that was

1090
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: easy man, It's like thirty forty minutes, right, So that

1091
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: was the easy. Yeah. I didn't have to move, kept

1092
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: staying the same house. I just had to make sure

1093
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 1: we can pay the damn monthly you know, house payment. Um,

1094
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: I I think we had two cars. Yeah, we had

1095
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: two cars. Then, Um, is there any way to get anything?

1096
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: There's like no side hustle either. Are you working so much?

1097
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 1: Challenge much? I did a little side hustle, Doug, nobody

1098
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: knows this, man, but I did a little side wholestle

1099
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: with my cousin. He was in the real estate at

1100
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: the time. And uh, I hate to admit this, but

1101
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: it's the truth. Uh. So he was gonna take care

1102
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: of me on the side. I just had to pass

1103
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: the real estate exam and I failed the damn thing twice.

1104
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: So that was that was the plan. The plan was

1105
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: to do the side hustle and get some real estate.

1106
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: He was gonna help me out. Um, but I failed

1107
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: the damn test. I failed it twice. Man, How you

1108
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: can you can feel like but if you're du co

1109
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: you're gonna get something else to take test for you. Well,

1110
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: looking back, I could have found a way. I applied

1111
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: on to right absolutely, and I didn't get creative enough.

1112
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 1: I'll be one of your players, have better chance passing

1113
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: real estate test and past and run the regular tests.

1114
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: You know. He's just like, hey, the question, Hey, this

1115
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: is the real estate thing. My dat my dad. When

1116
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: they got fired Long Beach, he went up and he

1117
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: volunteered with Ralph Miller at Oregon State. He sold car

1118
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: He sold cars as the side hustle because it was

1119
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: a volunteer system roll Jimmy Anderson and and Lanny van

1120
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: Eman got him as but like the volunteer this. Yeah.

1121
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: And and then when he came back, you know, and

1122
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 1: he was trying to kind of get back in and whatever.

1123
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: He was working for Tarbell real Estate selling that ship,

1124
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: and and you know, I mean, like, you know, you

1125
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do to make some make some

1126
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: cash when when you're not getting paid to coach. I

1127
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: mean that's and my cousin actually took care of me.

1128
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 1: I mean I was basically a secretary in the morning.

1129
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: So from eight in the morning until about one o'clock,

1130
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: I was his secretary, just this stuff from him and

1131
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: ran ran a bunch of uh maths or houses and

1132
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 1: and just helped him a little bit in side hustle

1133
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: that he took care of us. And very thankful for

1134
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: him even to this day. We we wouldn't have been

1135
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: able to make it without some next year income. You know,

1136
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: um that he did it. But uh, if I had

1137
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: passed the damn tests out, I mean, I would have

1138
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: made some real money if I had passed that test.

1139
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: Who knows, I might a quick coaching, right, and and

1140
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: and so real estate at that time, they were my

1141
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: cousin was making a lot of a lot of money

1142
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: in the real estate market. That's that's awesome. Um, okay, So,

1143
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: so you said it was a one year deal with

1144
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: your wife. We end up staying there for two, right, Yeah.

1145
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: I think it was there one or two. I don't remember. Uh,

1146
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: we might have just been at calling for one year.

1147
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: I did some radio and TV. You're there, you're there

1148
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: one year, that's right, Yeah, you're there one year. Then

1149
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: you did radio. Yeah, Jim Sagona still has it. And

1150
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: they had what they called plane O t V. It's

1151
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: like only in Plano, Texas. You got to the college

1152
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: station or whatever they was a Collin County TV station

1153
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: of Plano or whether they ran ads and stuff for

1154
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: the students and different or whatever. But they would they

1155
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: would They would do their home games on that and

1156
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: I would do the I would do the announcing with

1157
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: another guy man. And I think Segyona still has tapes

1158
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: out there somewhere and there's no telling. I need to

1159
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: track him down and see. Can you imagine how bad

1160
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: I Wasn't that? I think you're probably pretty good at it? Um? Okay,

1161
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: so how did the Abilene job come to be? Well? Then? Um? So,

1162
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: then Jason Copeland got the job at Abilene Christian UH

1163
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: that that following year and Jason's Jason's was the assistant

1164
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: love It Christian. His dad was John Copeland. UM. John

1165
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: was really really good friends with UM became really good

1166
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: friends with coach Night there and love it and then

1167
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: Chris Chris Beard UH and the Copeland family were really close.

1168
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: So Beard opened up that angle uh for me along

1169
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,439
Speaker 1: with Shannon Hayes, my my college coach the last two years.

1170
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: He was really close for the Copeland family, they were

1171
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: a really really big family and love a big basketball family.

1172
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: His dad coach that love it Christian for like twenty

1173
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: plus years. In fact, he's in the Hall of Fame

1174
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: there and just a hell of a man and a

1175
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: hell of a coach. But Jason got the jobson Shannon

1176
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: Hayes and Beard helped me get the assistant job there.

1177
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: So this is part two an Applene Christian. That's how

1178
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: part too? Still D two yeah still D two, um

1179
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: still D two? Uh not? Where is where is Avelen

1180
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: um between Midlands and Dallas on I twenty halfway point?

1181
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: Um that seems like the middle of nowhere. It's the

1182
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. Doug, Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, no nowhere.

1183
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: So you have to sell the Garland house. So we

1184
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: sell the house. We moved to Avelen. We get in

1185
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: a condo. Uh we we we rent a condo and

1186
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: now we're still not making money, but we're making more

1187
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: than I obviously did a content and I think the

1188
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: assistant job at Christian they're paid thirty or thirty five, um,

1189
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 1: you know, didn't pay a lot. But my wife again

1190
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: was teaching, so now we had the double income and

1191
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: we rented a house um and got to work there

1192
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: at Avelen Christian with Jason got a head of a break.

1193
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if he should have hired me, but

1194
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: um he did. Um and um it was fun. Man.

1195
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: We had a three year run where we were we

1196
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: were one of the worst again Division two programs at

1197
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: that time. Uh and within three years we turned that

1198
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: thing around and won over twenty games. Um and maybe

1199
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: it Uh how you know we started getting better players?

1200
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: Number one? Um, we ran motion. He ran motion, Jason

1201
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: ran motion. So again, Um, we got better players, mostly

1202
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: got better players, better players. Yeah, it wasn't we better players.

1203
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean we were still both Jason I were young

1204
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: and um, but yeah, we we had some talent. We

1205
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: had a guard named Brandon Callahan. We had a coral

1206
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: and Raveler who was a chance for from SFA that

1207
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: ended up being the first team All League UM player

1208
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: with Yeah, we we we we got some We had

1209
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: a Serbian named Dan. We we just got better players.

1210
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: How did you get how do you get a Serby? Like?

1211
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:03,919
Speaker 1: What was your How did you recruit a for the Serbians? Yeah?

1212
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: R g A for the Serbian? Yeah? How what what

1213
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: were you like as a recruiter of that? You know what,

1214
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: I don't think I was Um, I was getting better

1215
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: at that time, you know, I was figuring it out.

1216
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: I was, as you know, recruiting is all about connections, right,

1217
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: um and so um. I had spent some time obviously

1218
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: in Dallas and got some connections there. Um was starting

1219
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: to build some relationships in there, but definitely wasn't um um,

1220
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: here's my here's my career. My question. I was a grind.

1221
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: There's an honest question. Yeah, how how do you do

1222
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: the evals when you're changing levels? Right? Because again to

1223
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: this is to the outsider, right. I think one of

1224
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: the great gifts of assistant coaches that go undervalue, the

1225
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: really good ones is their ability to evaluate, because you

1226
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: gotta evaluate now what a kid is, what it's gonna

1227
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: look like in your uniform in like two years. Can

1228
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: you play for your coach? Can you play for your level?

1229
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: And by the way, can you spot something early that

1230
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: other people miss in terms of your in terms of

1231
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: your level, Like, there's a lot there. And then it

1232
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,919
Speaker 1: goes into the relationships and the connections and all that stuff,

1233
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,919
Speaker 1: because you got the email is an incredibly important part,

1234
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: and I think it screws a lot of a lot

1235
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: of guys. A lot of guys are good at the

1236
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: relationship part, but they can't evail for ship and then

1237
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: all their players, like you know, they all kind of

1238
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: look the same, or they are attracted to the most

1239
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: athletic guy in the gym, or they're attracted to something

1240
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: somebody who reminds them of them. How what was your

1241
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: process like of trying to adjust your emails When you're

1242
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: adjusting to these levels, You're correct real quick. Put ice

1243
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: something on top of that. You're an Aviete Christian. They

1244
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: gotta go to chap every day. They can't go to

1245
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: the ball. So there's some kids that you may want

1246
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: that you have no chance. Every institution is different right

1247
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: on the on what they can do. But evaluation is

1248
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: the number one. You did. The best college recruiters in

1249
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: the country, um, in any of us, dog, even guys

1250
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: done in our business can evaluate the top three hundred

1251
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: kids in America. Right, That ain't difficult, right, the four

1252
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: stars and five stars, that's easy to But again I

1253
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: haven't coasted that level. I think the trigger at that

1254
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: level is between Okay, that kid's a five star, but

1255
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: how good is he really? Right? Like to your point

1256
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: on the evaluation piece, right, Um, what's the ceiling? Is

1257
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: he out of ceiling? Can you get better. Uh, it's

1258
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: difficult there. Ours. We're not getting the fourth five star

1259
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: right at athlete Christian um and even at you temp right, Um,

1260
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: maybe force it in the portal one day, but um,

1261
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: you know you're probably not getting that kid right out

1262
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: of high school. And so um, you gotta evaluate. Man.

1263
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: We we evaluate, um, we we evaluate a lot of things.

1264
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: The biggest thing I am is is I look at toughness, Doug.

1265
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm really big on toughness and character, right, Um, just

1266
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: and and it's a tough dive. Can teach it? Yeah,

1267
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: you can't teach tough enough. You can't pack, yeah, can't.

1268
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: You want to compete? How to be tough? How to pass?

1269
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: And that's what I you know, and that's what I've

1270
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: always looked for. So how do you do it again?

1271
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: And I know the things have changed, but like any

1272
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: environment now while you're going and they play an AU

1273
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: game and they lose, they play another game, But like,

1274
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: how do you what are the what are the key

1275
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: things you're looking for that show you real toughness again,

1276
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: like g man, guys that make the extra pass, guys

1277
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: that make the pass long time, as far as point guards,

1278
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: right guards, guys that jump on the floor for a

1279
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: loose ball. I watched them on their bench, their energy,

1280
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: how they are the teammates Uh tide huddles. You know

1281
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: there a point guard that they huddle up to, the

1282
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: communicate that they talk on the floor. Um, you know

1283
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking at all that stuff obviously. Man, you need

1284
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: guys that can put the ball in the basket right

1285
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: and do some things. But I'm a co Uh I

1286
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: hate the work culture now everybody used it, but you

1287
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: give my point, right, I want guys that know how

1288
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: to play game. I t we we changed aveline Christian.

1289
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: We could not recruit anybody in Texas, Doug when I

1290
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: was the head coach, man, we were the worst Division

1291
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: two team in the country. Nobody wanted to play for us.

1292
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: We were getting guys you know that the AU coaches like,

1293
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 1: do us a favor with their eighth ninth sense guy, Right,

1294
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna get our buck here by everybody, right. Um,

1295
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: We've changed it. Man. We went up to Kansas, Oklahoma,

1296
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: and we started finding guys that really knew how to

1297
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: play right basketball. I Q guys, tough guys, guys that

1298
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: would develop. Um and it changed everything. Now to your point,

1299
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: it's tough for to do it today's world, right, I mean,

1300
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: today's world is completely different. You know. We we developed

1301
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: that team and Athlene Christian. That team won four games

1302
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: its first year and then went to the n S

1303
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: a terminative senior year, right, um so, and they all

1304
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: stuck together for the most part. Those days are tough

1305
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: to do now, you know at our level, um and

1306
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: any level and any level. Yeah yeah yeah, because now

1307
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: I mean now the kid low major kids good, then

1308
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: they get recruited stowing up, you know, kid comes off

1309
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: the bench, you can transfer in the league and and

1310
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: play right away. Like that's terrible rule, Like who came

1311
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: who came up with this ship? That's that's what I

1312
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: would like. And I'm gonna how much I'm gonna get,

1313
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna get fined and uh whatever. But

1314
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: put in compliance jelf for buying snacks at the grass

1315
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: at the grocery store, right, you know what I mean, Like,

1316
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's that's may listen. I mean, that's

1317
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. If you tap loses the game because they

1318
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: don't have you, it's my bad bringing it out that

1319
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: that you got snacks so you didn't take the players

1320
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: sacks and they got for d m Yeah n l

1321
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: if he had no doubt and I hell and and

1322
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: I l just a great excuse for anything and I

1323
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: and I laid everybody. Nobody says anything. Yeah. So so

1324
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 1: you're there and then you went to he left to

1325
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 1: go to Little Rock. But Beard wasn't that Little Rock right, No, Um,

1326
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: but again Beard got me that job, all right. So

1327
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: a guy by the head coach there was a guy

1328
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: by the name is Steve Shields. He had been there

1329
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: probably uh three or four years, five years as a

1330
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: head coach. He was Porter Moser's assistant coach. Uh. They're

1331
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: a little rock hell of a ball coach man. Uh,

1332
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: one of the best coaches, if not the best coach

1333
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: I've ever worked for. Could really really coach. This is

1334
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 1: what's amazing about Porter though. Like Porter has been a

1335
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: good coach, even going back, right, like he's always been.

1336
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: We just it just he got you know, some timing

1337
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 1: luck whatever worked together at Loyola and they had and

1338
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: and suddenly people figured it out. Right, So there has

1339
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: always been a coach. Yeah, you really kept and skills

1340
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: learned quorder, you know. Um, so I was forcing it

1341
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 1: to learn from Shields. For three years, um at Little Rock.

1342
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: So did you ever buy a house in Abili? So

1343
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: we bought we uh know, three months before. We never

1344
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: bought a house that time, and we rented the whole

1345
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: time there. Uh we bought a house at Little Rock.

1346
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: Two funny stories. Number one, they made me buy a

1347
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: house in Little Rock. It was part of my deal

1348
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: because you know West plant again. So West West was

1349
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: the assistant. He West left, uh and Daniel Robinson, who's

1350
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: the head coach at Cleveland State now they both left,

1351
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: which opened up two spots. But they've had a lot

1352
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 1: of movement, and Coach Shields was tired of moving that

1353
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna hire your young guss, you're not gonna

1354
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: be here. You're tune just lead right. He's like, you're

1355
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: gonna stay. I'm gonna make you buy a house. So

1356
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: I he made me buy a house in Little Rock.

1357
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: And then number two, um, funny but not funny. He

1358
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: got divorced um and I didn't even realize. I'm down

1359
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: there grinding. I get the job. In June, we go

1360
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: round on the road that was are back in the

1361
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: days of July right around you're out fifty days home

1362
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: for two and back out for ten days or whatever,

1363
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 1: um grinding, and then I get back and my wife's like,

1364
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,759
Speaker 1: I think it's funny. Like I don't think it's funny,

1365
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: but I think it's weird that I've never heard from

1366
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: his wife, Like you think his wife would like, welcome

1367
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: us to Little Rock or take me to dinner or

1368
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, honey, huht I never thought

1369
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 1: about that. But you know, I'm not gonna ask coach,

1370
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: but if it comes up, you know, I'll see what's

1371
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: going on him. Well, sure enough, coach was going through

1372
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: a divorce. So Doug literally man my second month on

1373
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: a job, like in August in Arkansas, you have to

1374
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 1: have a witness to the divorce, right that goes on

1375
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 1: the stand of the trial. I've got to go as

1376
01:08:55,479 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 1: coaches shills witness on the trial the divorce. Uh in

1377
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: in Little Work. I literally had a job for two

1378
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: much never knew his wife, never saw her till the

1379
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: courtroom that day. It was the first time I ever saw.

1380
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: I'm sure she was like, hey, screw this guy. Man,

1381
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: who was who is this guy up here? But funny story, Yeah,

1382
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 1: I was on the stand like two months of the

1383
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 1: job of coaches. The word Um, so, I mean your

1384
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: your wife had to be happy, right like, Hey, all

1385
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: this time I made no money. Now we're I told

1386
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 1: you I want to go to Division one. Now we're

1387
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: Division one. Any about the house, yeah, I think, um,

1388
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:28,679
Speaker 1: I think that was the first time she said, Okay,

1389
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: maybe my husband can do it in this business, right, like,

1390
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 1: had a little confidence that maybe we were moving in

1391
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: the right direction. Um. She said, to remind you, we

1392
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 1: bought that house right before the market crash, and we

1393
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: got her ass kicked on the house a little. Everybody

1394
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: gets there and listen, Uh yeah we Uh she I

1395
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: think that. Yeah, I think she saw some confidence in

1396
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: and Little Rock is a real job, right It was

1397
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 1: a really good and no football there was just a

1398
01:09:54,840 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 1: basketball brand new arena. Um and uh, I'll tell uh no,

1399
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 1: we played one game a year at all till over Christmas.

1400
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 1: But we played Uh we played uh Jack Stephens Center. Oh,

1401
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 1: I'll tell yeah, yeah. Arkansas would always play one game there,

1402
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: I think right, one one or two games. No, but

1403
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: we played we played Little Rock there. Oh you played

1404
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: a Little Rock. I got you. I got you because

1405
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 1: Alvin Robertson. Alvin Robertson was the coach. I got you

1406
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: coach played him whatever they're they're they're bad. Didn't the

1407
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: roof wasn't there something like a design flaw like the

1408
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: roof leaks or something something about that place with shitty

1409
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: that it was like it looked really nice and like

1410
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 1: the roof leaks or something something. I don't know. Yeah,

1411
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,679
Speaker 1: for the outside looked great. It wasn't it was cool.

1412
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 1: It was definitely cool. And I remember a couple of

1413
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 1: years later it was like something happened that they had

1414
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: to taste like the roof leek. Um. So, so then

1415
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,680
Speaker 1: did he had fired or did he leave? And then

1416
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,560
Speaker 1: beer took over what happened? No? So, so Shills was

1417
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: there and then my last year there, the third year,

1418
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: made the n c A tournament. Um, yeah, my name

1419
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: of Solomon Boseman hit the shot. He's now the head

1420
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 1: coach of Arkansas Pine Bluff. Uh um. But but we

1421
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: make the tournament and then um, the Avilan Christian job

1422
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 1: opens up, and so uh my day A D now

1423
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: at North Texas was the A D at Athlen Christian

1424
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: and I played with and so I thought for sure

1425
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: I was getting this job. Right, we just made the

1426
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: n ct A tournament. I had been an assistant there

1427
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 1: at the I played there. I played with him. I

1428
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: played with him. Um, I uh, you know, coming off

1429
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: the years, a little rock have recruiting experience. Now back

1430
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: to your point. I've been a head coach, right, even

1431
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 1: though it's high school checking every box, I've been a

1432
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: head coach Texas Uma there been there as assistant. This

1433
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: is my job, man, I go ice and this time

1434
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 1: we have two kids. We have a newborn and the

1435
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: oldest one is three at this time of my wife.

1436
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: See if you can search your memory here, do you

1437
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: remember where you were when you found out the job

1438
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: was open a cu Yeah, uh, I don't remember the

1439
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 1: first time. I do remember the second time, though, I

1440
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 1: was in Florida at the Uh sand Shaker. You ever

1441
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: been in the sand Shaker? What do you mean the

1442
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 1: second time? Well, that's so I was gonna tell you,

1443
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 1: so I don't get the job. How you din get

1444
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: a job? Did you interview for the job? Well, he

1445
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 1: makes a smart high interviewed. It comes down to me

1446
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: and Grant the castle and Grant. Grant is that Midwestern

1447
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 1: state at the time, which is in the same league

1448
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: as they see right, both the twos and Grant um

1449
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 1: Granted heard he was possibly going Division one, and so Grant,

1450
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: Grant takes Grant gets hired. They hire Grants. So my

1451
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 1: best friend, the guy I played with, UM hires Grant,

1452
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 1: which I'll getting credit pretty smart, right, Grant the hell

1453
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 1: of a coach, right, he saw it before anybody else

1454
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:54,640
Speaker 1: back then. UM, so so he hires Grant. So now

1455
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm disappointed. My wife's disappointed, right, she thought we were

1456
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: going back to He's depending on this point they get pissed.

1457
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 1: It's not this point. She's pissed, right because Coach Shields,

1458
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 1: I was the recruiting coordinator. I was never home. I

1459
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: was gone. I think I think you had whatever it was,

1460
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 1: a hundred eighty days on the road at that time.

1461
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: UM got the staff and I was gone. I mean

1462
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 1: I was. I was gone all the time. I wasn't

1463
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 1: there to coach. I was. I was recruiting UM, and

1464
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,600
Speaker 1: so I was never home. We had two kids. She

1465
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 1: thought this was you know, it was we were going

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01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 1: back to Abilene and raised the family. So I don't

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Speaker 1: get a job. Fast forward to late July. I'm in

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01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 1: Florida recruiting in Pensacola with Coach Shields at the Juico

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Speaker 1: at the very end. They would always have this Juico

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01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 1: rick ball, I think it was rick ball. He would

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01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,839
Speaker 1: always have this Juico event in Florida. So the coaches

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01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 1: would all end in Pensacola, right, So it's kind of

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01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: like a party. Was it? That was it? That was

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Speaker 1: the northwest Florida state or where was the where was

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Speaker 1: the Pensacola Pensacola the northern Florida states outside of destined

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01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 1: right that yeah, yeah, and so um and then and

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01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 1: then he would and then he would always open a

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01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: bar tab at the place called the stand Shaker, which

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01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: has one of the best bush whackers I've ever had

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Speaker 1: in my life. And so all the coaches would kind

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01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 1: of be you would have the best that's like a

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01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 1: it's like a chocolate shake with some liquor. The best

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01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: way they explain it that but you can't have you

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01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 1: can't have a ton of them. You know, you still up, man,

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01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 1: But you can have a couple, you know, in between

1486
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: your beers. Beers whacker, right, whacker at the sand Shaker.

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01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: Put that on your put that on your bucket list, man,

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01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: hold on. And then they have a bunch of high

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01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 1: rise condos down there, Doug all right, like like uh uh,

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01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: you know, and and high ritzy hotels. We always stayed

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01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: at a place called the Paradise In. It's a little

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01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 1: little two star mom and mom and dad joint that

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01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 1: never sold out right to the condos and stuff. Um

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01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: outside park you know how you know those hotels where

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01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 1: you pull up or would call the hotel, hotel right

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01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 1: to the right to your room outside. So stay at

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01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 1: the Paradise And there's a good bar at the Paradise

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01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: In and then head down to the stand. Shaker man,

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01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: I love it. Um. Okay, so you're at the stand kaker.

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01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 1: And what what happened to Grant from Castle? Well, I

1501
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 1: get a phone call from Jared Mosley and he says, hey, listen, man,

1502
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: Grant just took the Baylor job. You get a phone call?

1503
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 1: Is this You have cell phones now? Okay, so your

1504
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: your cell phone. The A D calls me at Avlyn,

1505
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: Christian my buddy, and he said, hey, I know we

1506
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 1: didn't hire you the first time, but Grant is leading

1507
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 1: Grant Schooling to Baylor. They're announcement tomorrow. He's gonna be

1508
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 1: an assistant coach at Baylor. He's resigned. So Grant was

1509
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: only there for like two months right at Avelyn Christian

1510
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 1: and UM, he says, it's it's your job if you

1511
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: want it, but I need to know quickly in the

1512
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: next you know, twenty four hours, um, because we're gonna

1513
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: move really fast this time. And so I said, okay, well,

1514
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 1: let me call my wife, let me talk to coach,

1515
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 1: let me think about it. And when I was a

1516
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 1: little piste too, right, like I didn't get it the

1517
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 1: first time, right, like a competitor, you know, um, but

1518
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 1: also knew you know, it was a it was a

1519
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: health and opportunity um for us. So I I told

1520
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: Coach Shields and he was like, hey, you you you

1521
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 1: need to take this job. You know you need to

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01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 1: take it. Um. So I got back home and uh,

1523
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 1: my wife and I um went out on a little date.

1524
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: I told her the news, and I said, we had

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01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 1: twenty four hours. The crazy thing is, though, is within

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01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: that twenty four hours, Beard uh had gone back to

1527
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:20,599
Speaker 1: Texas Tech right and to work for Billy Gillespie. UM,

1528
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: and Coach Gillespie had let Beard go or Beard Beard

1529
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 1: let Beard go literally like a couple of weeks when

1530
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 1: this job opened. So I really tried to help Beard

1531
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 1: get the job at Avlen Christian the second go round.

1532
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: You know, I said, Jared, you ought to hire Chris

1533
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: Beard instead of me? And he said, no, I'm not

1534
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: hiring Chris Beard. You know I'm gonna hire you. You

1535
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 1: got twenty four hours to make the decision. And so

1536
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: went home, talks to my wife, and of course we

1537
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 1: took it dress your typical job, dude. I mean, I

1538
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 1: was the second guy, wasn't the guy they wanted? They

1539
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 1: already had the press corps, they were starting too, and

1540
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 1: my wife and I laugh about it. We went to

1541
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: the press conference, was literally like two people there, right,

1542
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: nobody was there. Uh, and I was alumni. I played

1543
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 1: there pretty good. Right. Okay, So here's what we're gonna do.

1544
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna drop part to like tomorrow. Maybe

1545
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 1: tomorrow will be Thursday, maybe Friday. It's just it's too

1546
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 1: good of stuff to not get it to you quickly.

1547
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: And I know how so many of you are. You

1548
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 1: hit me up on Instagram or on Twitter or direct

1549
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:26,759
Speaker 1: message in the Twitter or just on my my text.

1550
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 1: You see it and like, man, when do I get

1551
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,719
Speaker 1: part two? So um, we'll get you part too quickly. Reminder,

1552
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 1: the Doug outlet shows daily three to five eastern of

1553
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 1: the two Pacific Um all can drum off this week,

1554
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:45,600
Speaker 1: so I don't give a ship, but normally we do

1555
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 1: good stuff. It's fun, it's fun listen and you can

1556
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 1: just have in your cell phone wherever you want the

1557
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app, plus the in the Bonus podcast,

1558
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 1: which is next to the All Ball the most fun

1559
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 1: thing I do where it's a radio show but no

1560
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: commercial breaks and us an hour long daily and we

1561
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: talked ship and have fun. So we'll be on a

1562
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 1: merry Christmas getting ready for a good New Year. And

1563
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: my thanks to Joe Golden for part one. You're gonna

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01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 1: love part two. But that was that was pretty crazy, right,

1565
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 1: I mean the story of getting in a car, and

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01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 1: we got so many good rental car stories to share

1567
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 1: with you. I'll have to do that in the future

1568
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 1: in like best rental car rides are funniest ship ever.

1569
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, thanks for listening. I'm dog godly

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Speaker 1: this is all bul