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Speaker 4: What's up everybody, and welcome to the Action Network Podcast.

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Speaker 4: This is your NFC Win Totals Part two. I am

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Speaker 4: your host, Chris Raybond, and I'm joined by the Prime

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Speaker 4: Minister of Degenerate Nation, my dude, Stucky Stuck.

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Speaker 1: What's going on, ohn, brother.

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Speaker 2: It's great to be back talking the NFL. Maybe I

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Speaker 2: said this every year. I just can't wait for the

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Speaker 2: season to start.

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Speaker 1: I'm rearing to go. But we're gonna be talking through

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Speaker 1: every team.

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Speaker 4: We already have our NFC wind Told is Part one

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Speaker 4: episode up, talking about the East, talking about the North.

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Speaker 4: This one we will get into the South and the West.

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Speaker 4: Just a reminder, we have tons of NFL betting episodes

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Speaker 4: leading up to week one here on the Action Network Podcast.

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Speaker 1: So please do check them out.

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Speaker 4: I was jump into the favorite to win the NFC

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Speaker 4: South and that is of course the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

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Speaker 4: looks like Tom Brady is is back.

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Speaker 1: No harm, no foul.

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Speaker 4: The wind told is eleven and a half juice to

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Speaker 4: the under at minus one thirty, so you do get

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Speaker 4: plus one ten on the over.

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Speaker 1: I have them favored in every game.

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Speaker 4: But one, I believe, so I can see why, you know,

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Speaker 4: the wind to hold is up so high.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think they still may have a

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Speaker 1: good old line. What do you think of the on line?

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Speaker 1: I know we got.

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Speaker 4: Hainsey replacing Jensen. Obviously that's a big loss, but I

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Speaker 4: think he could be serviceable. So it's it's all about

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Speaker 4: this this guy Gadeki now on the inside. But what

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Speaker 4: do you think of the line?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's definitely something that could be troublesome

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Speaker 2: throughout the year, because how do you beat Brady? He

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Speaker 2: gets its interior pressure. That's always been the m O.

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Speaker 2: And if because he gets rid of the ball so quick,

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Speaker 2: he's also not mobile, right is maybe the best pocket

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Speaker 2: presence of all time, So you're not You're just not

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Speaker 2: going to get a lot compared to against other quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to rattle him, You're not gonna get

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Speaker 2: a Ton off the edge, you can always check down.

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Speaker 2: He's just so good at reading defenses. But if you

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Speaker 2: can get pressure up the middle, it can That's when

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Speaker 2: we've seen Brady at his worst, and the Saints a

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Speaker 2: I mean, Kadeki is a rookie from the MAC who

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Speaker 2: Greated out an elite level. Obviously Central two tackles go

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Speaker 2: You still have two of the best tackles one of

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Speaker 2: but the interior is just even more important for Brady.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's definitely a concern. We'll see

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Speaker 2: So like the I think overall, the offense Scott worse.

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Speaker 2: But this is, you know, new head coach, but he's

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Speaker 2: but the offense interier offensive line is what to watch

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Speaker 2: getting Godwin back at some point and fully healthy will

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Speaker 1: I do I do agree. I think the skill positions

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Speaker 4: At least on paper. You know, if if they can

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Speaker 4: I think he still got, you know, pretty good skill positions.

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Speaker 4: still a lot of talent on this team on both

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Speaker 4: Normans always has their number. You mentioned it, interior pressure.

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Speaker 4: But still a pretty tough schedule to start the year

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll be actually looking to fade them early

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Speaker 2: in the season, depending on the spot. But another thing

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Speaker 2: you just can't Brady can't go down, but that's a

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Speaker 2: given with most teams. You can't have your quarterback go down.

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Speaker 2: Gabbard or Carlo Trst. But given the cap room, the

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Speaker 2: you hope that they stay healthy. But there's not great depth,

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Speaker 2: and then probably add Grunk back and have a healthy Godwin.

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Speaker 2: But given some of the questions, I would lean under

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that all mine depth could be could be a concern.

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Speaker 1: We haven't even started the season. Let's go to the Saints.

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Speaker 4: The Saints are at a win total of eight and

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Speaker 1: I like the defense.

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Speaker 4: it's gonna come down to Jamis and you know some

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Speaker 4: So like I feel like the team could win six games,

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Speaker 4: but they could win eleven games.

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Speaker 1: So where are you on the in the Saints team?

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Speaker 1: I with the Saints.

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Speaker 2: not going to be suspended in this year, which is good,

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Speaker 2: and I agree on the variants. The Their defense is

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I also love the versatility of their secondary, which

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Speaker 4: Obviously, the big news they acquire Baker Mayfield and he

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Speaker 4: That's ye know, they don't practice the red zone according

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Speaker 4: They have thirty touchdown passes in their last thirty three games.

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Speaker 4: phase where they just kept trying to like sell their

435
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 4: fan base on these like reclamation projects, like oh yeah, Kate,

436
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 4: we got case Keatam this is it. It's like the

437
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 4: Panthers like, oh we got Teddy bridge Arter, this is it.

438
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 4: Oh we got Sam Donald, We're gonna fix them. And

439
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 4: now it's like, oh we got Baker Mayfield. It just

440
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 4: he's he's better than the first two, but I just

441
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 4: don't know if he moves the needle for his offense,

442
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna have to come on defense. And again,

443
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 4: I just think I think they have a lot of

444
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 4: solid to good players, but unlike the Saints, I don't

445
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 4: think they have a ton of like straight up studs.

446
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 4: I really like uh Jeremy Chin and Shaq Thompson. But

447
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 4: this is another team with some variants. There's things break right. Yeah,

448
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 4: they could win seven, eight games, but things break wrong,

449
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 4: they could also win three or four.

450
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: Yep, the Falcons.

451
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 4: Everybody at one point, at least everybody's favorite under. It's

452
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 4: five with juice to the under at minus one five

453
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 4: the over is plus when twenty uh.

454
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: They actually had good injury WUK.

455
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 4: Last year and they just beat all the bad teams

456
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 4: they faced essentially like that was like the Falcons. It

457
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 4: was like when they faced a bad team, just lock

458
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 4: them in for a win, and when they uh face

459
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 4: like a decent or better team, they're gonna lose. They

460
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 4: beat the Giants, the Jets, uh, the Jaguars, the Panthers,

461
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 4: the Lions last year as well.

462
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: They also went seven possession games.

463
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's they're Yeah, so they're they're going for

464
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 1: some regression.

465
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 4: They're expected win loss according to the point differential was

466
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,479
Speaker 4: four point nine. Again, they won seven games, so uh,

467
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 4: they're not fooling anybody this year. I don't even have

468
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 4: them favored in any game. Actually, uh so yeah, I'm

469
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know what do you is? This

470
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 4: is this the under or what are you doing here?

471
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: I have them favored in zero games. I projected them

472
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 2: like four point four to nine, So, like, I I

473
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 2: got nothing in This team stinks. They're in cap massacre

474
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 2: rebuild Mario. Their offensive line is bad, but Mariotte at

475
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: least has wheels, so like does that help in a

476
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 2: weird way because Ryan doesn't in The offensive line is bad.

477
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 2: The defense, the corners, I like, yes, he added Hayward,

478
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 2: but they get no help from the defensive line. I

479
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: think the Falcons of the one of the five worst

480
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: five lowest sack rates since the merger last year. They

481
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 2: get no pressure. It's just a bad financial position. They're

482
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: just this whole team's in a bad financial position from

483
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 2: the previous regime. Going all in and then blowing twenty

484
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 2: eight to three. You also lose Calvin Ridley for the

485
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 2: year to gambling, which doesn't help. Depth is really bad too,

486
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 2: so like the injuries anywhere are devastating overall talent, they're

487
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 2: right there with the Bears. Is the worst team in

488
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: the NFC. Yeah, and they're a regression negative regression cannedy. Yeah,

489
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: there's not much to like, but I project four point

490
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: five and the team stinks.

491
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,959
Speaker 4: They're gonna be the team that everyone plays tight ends

492
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 4: against in fantasy because I do like their corners.

493
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: You mentioned it. Hayward's good, uh a j Terrell.

494
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 4: I mean if they're you know, if Jay gets challenged

495
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 4: for best corner of the league, Terrell is up there

496
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 4: on that list as guys that that could take that

497
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 4: next step. He was really good last year and then

498
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 4: and then Oliver, Uh you know he he's been.

499
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: Up and down. Yeah, he's been up and down, but

500
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: he was good last year as well. You know, didn't

501
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 1: last long. I think he got hurt in Week four.

502
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 4: So you know, the corner should be good, but it's

503
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 4: gonna be it's gonna be challenging to kind of scheme

504
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 4: around it when like you said, they just don't get pressure,

505
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,719
Speaker 4: and that is that's just an issue, you know, it's uh,

506
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 4: they got they still got Dnp's there, right, m hmm, yeah,

507
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 4: So he's he's all pissed off about it.

508
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: You know, he's talking about how mediocre is not good enough.

509
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 3: We're changing a culture around this day going place okay,

510
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 3: and it's not gonna be mediocre. It's not gonna be average.

511
00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 3: It's not gonna be in the bottom half of the

512
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 3: league like it's been fifteen out of the last twenty years.

513
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 3: Sick of that crap. I'm tired of everybody telling us

514
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 3: how bad we are. After a while, you start believing it.

515
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 3: Guys around here on defense sometimes believe, hey, fifteenth is

516
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 3: okay or whatever, been in the top ten one time

517
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 3: out of the last twenty years, That bull's over.

518
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 4: Okay.

519
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm getting fired up today, but I'm tired of

520
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 3: this crap.

521
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 4: But you know, I just don't see how you really

522
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 4: get the most out of his defense with with you know,

523
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,479
Speaker 4: no passage. I mean, maybe the rookie Beckay dude out

524
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 4: of Penn State, maybe he'll be good, but they really

525
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 4: need it now.

526
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: If if he's.

527
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 4: Good, you know, maybe they cobble together like a defense,

528
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 4: like non terrible defense. But I still think the linebackers

529
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 4: are going to struggle in coverage, and I think the

530
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 4: safeties are going to struggle in coverage, and so you know,

531
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 4: teams are just going to kind of go up to

532
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 4: see him go over the middle.

533
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: It's going to be like the Chiefs a few years ago.

534
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: And then on offense you mentioned it, they have pits,

535
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: they have London, but you know, God.

536
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 4: Forbid something happened to eat it to either of them.

537
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 4: Brian Edwards doesn't get open oz. You know, coach loves him,

538
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 4: but probably more of a fourth fifth receiver than should be.

539
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 4: Shouldn't really be a starting slot or starting receiver in

540
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 4: this league. And the O line is kind of hit

541
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 4: or miss as well.

542
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, I also think that about if Demps has

543
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: a history of in year two complex defense to take

544
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: the defense really takes a jump and efficiency. So maybe

545
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: they can generate some pressure in the corner situation, which

546
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: is so big in the NFL if you have a

547
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: good cornerback situation. So maybe the defense can get a

548
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 2: bit better. But I'm just not a fan of author

549
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: Smith either. He'shwing me nothing from a head coaching perspective.

550
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: It seems kind of, I don't know, kind of clueless

551
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: to me. But yeah, there's not much to love about

552
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: this team. Maybe maybe they end up being a good

553
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 2: under team if the defense takes a step up in

554
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: PZ or two with that secondary, I think I have

555
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: them dogs more than a touchdown in like nine games.

556
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: I wouldn't bet under under one and a half. Was

557
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: really tough to bet in the NFL because you're you're opening.

558
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: They could certainly win the opener against the Saints like

559
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: Division dogs or the absolute in Week one, and that's

560
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 2: when you want to you're gonna you see. I think

561
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: more cast than normal in the NFL in Week one,

562
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 2: So would Jamis throwing that game way? It surprise me. No,

563
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,479
Speaker 2: certainly some winnable games. On the stroster I Project four

564
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 2: and a half. Would you got to be in the

565
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: market obviously is pretty efficient, but you got to be

566
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 2: some kind of bad for me to go on under

567
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: four and a half in a seventeen game schedule in

568
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 2: the NFL, maybe I'd go under four and a half.

569
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: They had Darnald a quarterback, but pass.

570
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, the depth is probably going to be their undoing.

571
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 4: But yeah, those those cornerbacks that make me a little

572
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 4: bit uncomfortable because it could just be one of those

573
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 4: teams that, you know, a little bit more low scoring

574
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 4: than we think. And then it's like they still got

575
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 4: weapons that we used to start the year with with

576
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 4: Pitts in London and Mariota running around and Patterson as well.

577
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, I not feeling good about that under.

578
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could end up being an upgraded quarterback with Marriott.

579
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: I mean, Ryan's obviously on the downward trend to end,

580
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: but I think that just having Mariota's mobility, with those

581
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: offensive line issues and you don't have the best wide

582
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: receiver course, just him creating buying time could actually end

583
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: up working out for the offense.

584
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: So we'll see, all right, was jumped to the west,

585
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: We got the Cardinal U. We start with the Rams.

586
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 4: We got the Rams at ten and a half minus

587
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 4: one twenty five to the under, plus one o five.

588
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: To the over.

589
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 4: Have them favored in twelve games mcveighs four and went

590
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 4: to the over. UH And the average margin by which

591
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 4: they win their win total bets is plus one point nine,

592
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 4: So they've been going over by about two wins per

593
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 4: year in mcveigh's five seasons. What do you think about

594
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 4: them coming off the Super Bowl win?

595
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

596
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: I was like, the Rams are probably gonna be overvalued.

597
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 2: We're gonna get to the forty nine ers. I mean,

598
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: pretty fortunate year for the Rams last soon you consider

599
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: the Tarko I think he's not on the Eagles dropped it, Yeah,

600
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: dropped the an interception that would have UH set to

601
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: forty nine ers in Super Bowl. Jimmy g Still the

602
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: quarterback is what are the thoughts on the Rams and

603
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: what they That's that's the NFL. It's a beauty the

604
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: NFL playoffs. But I was like, yeah, the Rams are

605
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: probing to have a valued But now, I mean, what's

606
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: total ten and a half? I have them right there.

607
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: The biggest question for me is, you know, there's some

608
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: depth questions. The defense is extremely star heavy, and Matt

609
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: Stafford's health that's certainly a question cam akers as well.

610
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: I do like the addition of Alan Robinson, but I

611
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: have questions about this offensive line, Stafford's health, and some

612
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: positions on defense. Obviously, they have some of the best

613
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: players in the NFL, which make that unit very formidable

614
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: as we saw last year. But I think there's more

615
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: questions than answers with the Rams. But still a good team.

616
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: Still expect them to go to the playoffs. I project

617
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: them right around ten and a half. The Stafford injury

618
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: is something certainly worth monitoring because if he just isn't

619
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: one hundred percent or at any point you have to

620
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: go to John Woolford, I believe it's their backup still,

621
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: then it's lights out, which is something considered for some

622
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: of these other long shots to make the playoffs. We've

623
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: talked about like if Stafford isn't healthy, and you know,

624
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: some of these top teams that we assume we're going

625
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: to make the playoffs, I'll tell you right now, never

626
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: want to wish injury. The injuries happened to quarterbacks. Stafford

627
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: goes down, the Rams are dumb. If Brady goes down,

628
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: the Bucks are done. If Prescott goes down, the Cowboys

629
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: are done. Yeah. By the way, we talking about the

630
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: Saint Andy Dalton is now with the Saints, so they

631
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: won't hopefully not have to go to Ian book again,

632
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: and especially on prime time. Yeah, I have some questions

633
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: with the Rams, but I don't show any value. Yeah.

634
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: I don't have any bets on the West Wind totals

635
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: or division, and a lot of that is because of

636
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: the uncertainty surrounding Stafford's injury, Seattle's quarterback situation now the

637
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: rumors are hot hot that Jimmy G's ending up there,

638
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: and then San France quarterback situation with Trey Lance. It's

639
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: like what are you gonna get with San Francisco, which

640
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: we'll talk about in the second, but you might have

641
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: Jimmy G going from San France to see I don't

642
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: I think that would significantly upgrade the quarterback position for them.

643
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: And then you also have Arizona, who probably if I

644
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: can't wait to talk about them, just a funny team.

645
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of moving parts and uncertainty in

646
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: this division, specific at the quarterback position. You know, even

647
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: throwing something like Hopkins is suspended for the first six

648
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: games for a Zona. That's when Arizona's like good too,

649
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: which is bizarre. And then you so, yeah, I got

650
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: nothing here on the Rams. I think they got worse

651
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: in the off season, but they're still a solid team

652
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: and I don't show any value in the winter.

653
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 4: You truck Sean mcvaig, But like you said, you know,

654
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 4: Dafford already being a little bit banged up is not

655
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 4: ideal because this team is very like Stars and scrubs.

656
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 4: You know, they have very good hop level talent, Stafford

657
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 4: Cup Ramsey, Jordan Fuller, Leonard Floyd in the aline is decent,

658
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 4: but when you start looking at the depth, you know,

659
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 4: no wonder McVay doesn't play anybody in the preseason, can't

660
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 4: afford to lose anybody. So yeah, just too much variance

661
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 4: with this team. And I think last year was the

662
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 4: time to invest in the Rams. Like now coming up

663
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. I mean, they're not sneaking up on anybody.

664
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: Last year, like you mentioned, what did they have overall?

665
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: And then towards the end of the year with a

666
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: team that doesn't have depth injury luck, they had good

667
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: injury luck last year. They can't afford you know, a

668
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: key injury to one because they are star driven. Otherwise

669
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: it's the situation gets pretty dire pretty quick.

670
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: San Francisco. The win to to is ten.

671
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 4: It's a minus one ten both sides. They as it

672
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 4: seems like they always are. Were had the fourth worst

673
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 4: injury luck last year, twenty ninth and adjusted games lost.

674
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: Still managed he gets to the NFC Championship Game.

675
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 4: I have him favored in ten games, so right on

676
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 4: par with their win totals. Shanahan's just two and three

677
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 4: with these win totals. Another team just a lot, a

678
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 4: lot of variants. I actually do believe in Trey Lance.

679
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 4: I really like what Shanahan's doing.

680
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: With this offense.

681
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 4: I don't think a lot of people realize just how

682
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: crazy like this scheme is. Deebo, Samuel and Brandon Ayuk

683
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 4: are getting like eight plus yards after the catch, but

684
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 4: their average catch point is like eight nine yards down

685
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 4: the field. So like most teams, you know, they need

686
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 4: to throw a screen pass, a bubble screen to get

687
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 4: eight nine yards after the catch, they're averaging that and

688
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 4: catching the ball right by the marker. So like he's

689
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 4: designed a scheme to get like, you know, downfield yards

690
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 4: after catch.

691
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: I really like what he's doing.

692
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 4: But you know, obviously Lance still improving. I think he'll

693
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 4: be I think he'll be all right, But you know,

694
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 4: still the Rams are still in his division. We don't

695
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 4: know what's going on with the Seahawks, if they're gonna

696
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 4: get a upgraded quarterback. The Cardinals are, you know, they

697
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 4: could be anything from like eleven win teams to a

698
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 4: five win teams.

699
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: So I don't really show any value on the on

700
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: the Niners either, what about you?

701
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they got they didn't get. I think

702
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: they got worse from last year. Obviously, the big wild

703
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: card is Trey Lance, and he introduces more variants for

704
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: the offense. Humans like, Okay, you know what you're gonna get.

705
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: You're you're gonna beat the teams you should and but

706
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: Lance obviously brings another dimension to this offense in Shanahan. Yeah,

707
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: he did lose offics coordinator, he lost a number of

708
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,479
Speaker 2: guys on the staff, but he's the brain chot behind

709
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 2: that offense. You know, the San Frantisco offense is gonna

710
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: fuck for the lack of the lack of a better term.

711
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean you got Deebo Samuel I you

712
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: Elimitri didn't. They're drafted. I think they didn't have a

713
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: first round draft pick. First time. It's nineteenninety six, and

714
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: then they drafted a running back in the second round. Yeah,

715
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 2: da Price, which I mean they have Sermon, you have Wilson,

716
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: you have Mitchell. I think there was other areas in

717
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: need that they could have addressed, but I'm not an NFLGM.

718
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: I did think the offensive line got worse. There's major

719
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 2: questions on the offense line, I mean, Trent Williams is

720
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: still one of the best, but he's thirty five and

721
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: you start to worry about injuries at that point. But

722
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 2: the interior offensive line major questions there. You're right, tackles

723
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: coming back from surgery, so the offensive line could take

724
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 2: a major step back and then throw a huge wrench

725
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: into the in this offense. Now, I know you have

726
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: Kittle and Uschek who are elite blockers, which helps, but

727
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: this offensive line has major questions. And then the defensive

728
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,479
Speaker 2: side of the ball. You love the defensive line.

729
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: You need it.

730
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: You lost your grun stuffing Dtacle. You need Kinlaw who's

731
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: he's talented, but he's can you stay healthy? He's kind

732
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 2: of crazy. You need him to step up. But you

733
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 2: like your edge rushers. Moving Armstead in side really helped

734
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: that defense, and he was awesome once they moved him

735
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: into the second half the year. Obviously, you have one

736
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: of the best ed rushers of Bosa. You're really set

737
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: at linebacker led by Fred Warner. The secondary, you know

738
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: they're there. What are they doing in the off season?

739
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: I mean they basically Scott Ward that's it, right, Like

740
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: that's this team. You got worse than the offensive line,

741
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 2: and you're replacing Jimmy g with try to create more

742
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: of arrants and Lance could better, could be a better fit,

743
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: I would argue for this offense, but that's pretty much it.

744
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: You just signed Tararius Ward, which eh, you know, you

745
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: get Moseley back. You hope that there's a second I

746
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: can say healthy. They're always hurt, but you're gonna be

747
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 2: relying on two fourth and fifth round draft picks at

748
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 2: your from last year at your slot, and one safety

749
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: spot in who I think Lenor and Hufungo who are

750
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: probably gonna start at safety and and slot corner. Jimmy

751
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 2: Ward is still one of the most underrated safeties in

752
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: the NFL. But there's some potential holes in the secondary

753
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: now that the front should help and especially if they

754
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 2: can stay healthy the pressure that they're able to generate.

755
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: But I am most concerned about the offensive line. Hard

756
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: team to project. I'm at like nine three ninety four

757
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 2: just because it comes down to like I'm gonna be

758
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: adjusting quickly for Lance. There's probably gonna be a learning curve,

759
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 2: right and he's probably gonna get better if he is

760
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 2: the guy. But there's also just a chance of disaster too,

761
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: and if things go bad, and I mean, Jimmy G's

762
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 2: probably he's not gonna be He's not He doesn't even

763
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: a playbook because they I assume he's going to Seattle.

764
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 2: For everything that I've heard, he's going to Seattle. So

765
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 2: you're down to like Nate Sudfeld is your next option.

766
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, the offensive line is my biggest concern. And

767
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 2: then obviously it's like do you believe in Lance? And

768
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: if you do, you're probably gonna really like the forty

769
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 2: nine ers. If you don't, you're not gonna like them.

770
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 2: I'm still up in the air. I think that he's

771
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: gonna thrive eventually in this Shannon ansystem, but I think

772
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: it might take some time, and especially with questions on

773
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: the offensive line.

774
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 4: I actually I'm a higher on the forty nine ers

775
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 4: than you, but I just think their schedule is tough.

776
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 4: Like I don't really have many questions about Lance, Like

777
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 4: obviously we've only seen him a couple of times. But

778
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 4: I think that this scheme is brilliant, and I think

779
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,959
Speaker 4: the fact that it's built on yards after the catch

780
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 4: and you're throwing to Deebo Samuel Brandon Aiyuk and George

781
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 4: Kittle really makes a big difference. And the old line,

782
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 4: Yes it's a concern, but it would be like three

783
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 4: times more concerning if it was Jimmy g I mean,

784
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 4: this is Trey Lance.

785
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 1: That's the whole point.

786
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 4: Like he doesn't need like a you know, like tip

787
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 4: top offensive line to get it done, especially in his scheme.

788
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 4: He's gonna be able to use his legs when he

789
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 4: needs to. And I think that I actually think the

790
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 4: secondary can be pretty good. I thought Ward was a

791
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 4: really good fit for them. That was the guy kind

792
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 4: of predicted that that they would sign. And you know

793
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 4: Samuel Womack, the fifth round pick, I think he was

794
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 4: he's playing really well in the preseason, so maybe he

795
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 4: could give him something so they could they could have

796
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 4: a really dominant defense. And you know, I don't really

797
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 4: worry too much about Lance, but you know, this schedule,

798
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 4: it's just like all it's like feast or family.

799
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: It's like they start with Chicago.

800
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 4: And Seattle, but then they got Denver in the Rams,

801
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 4: and then it's Carolina Atlanta. But then you got the Chiefs,

802
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 4: the Rams and the Chargers and then you know Cardinals, Saints, Miami,

803
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 4: Tampa Bay. So it's the schedule is just it's one

804
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 4: of those teams that you know, they could another one.

805
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 4: I think they could lose nine ten games and they

806
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 4: can win nine, ten, eleven, twelve games. You know, it's

807
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 4: just it's there's just too much variance for me. I

808
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 4: think another team that last year was probably a little

809
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 4: bit better.

810
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: Of a year to invest in them. The schedule could

811
00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: go either way.

812
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: It's really interesting. Between November first and January first, they

813
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: have one road game, which is crazy. But the two

814
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: things I like about their schedule is I like this

815
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 2: with a young quarterback too, a lot of winnable road games,

816
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: so a lot of their hardest although the forty nine

817
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: ers suck at home, but whatever, I don't know what

818
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: that's about. Their fans think the stadium's first. But you

819
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: start at Bear's home against Seattle. That's a good way

820
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: to get your feet wet. But your road games are

821
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 2: like at Chicago, you know, at Denver, which will be tough,

822
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: at Carolina, at Atlanta, and obviously you have to go

823
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: play at the Rams, but you like it's basically a

824
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: home game, and then you're at Seattle at Vegas another

825
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: maybe quasi home game. So I like their road schedule,

826
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: especially for a young quarterback. But you're really drinking the

827
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: forty nine ers school if you're counting on Womack, the

828
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: fifth round rookie coming.

829
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen I've seen crazy like this is all

830
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 4: of those organizations.

831
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: Man, they just they just find guys. I just think

832
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: I just think the team, it could be a really

833
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: quality team.

834
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 4: And I know they went to the NFC Championship last year.

835
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 4: I actually do think they could be better this year.

836
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: It just it just depends.

837
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 4: Like obviously, Lance just unlocks the element of the offense

838
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 4: that they haven't had. And you know, I just talked

839
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 4: about you know has been scheming these guys catching them

840
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 4: all downfield with room to run. Now you have a

841
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 4: guy that can actually just get it downfield conventionally. You know,

842
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 4: I don't think the line is gonna be as big

843
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 4: of an issue with him, and and I actually think

844
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 4: the secondary forget about home Mac.

845
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: I just I still think Ward Mostley is a good combo.

846
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: Uh. And Thomas started playing better leonor up and down,

847
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: but he was a rookie.

848
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: Who fong?

849
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: Uh with that that that one safety spot will be

850
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 2: a question. But yeah, I mean Verrett just went on

851
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: the pup list, but they have they have some other

852
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: as they have. Yeah, they have some other guys, some

853
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: younger guys and better depths. There's definitely potential. And like

854
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: we said, the defensive line helps out when you have

855
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: a really good you know, front six or seven, getting

856
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 2: pressure helps out your secondary.

857
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 4: Like if Trey Lance is good, like we sure have

858
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 4: got the opposite way too. You know, obviously looked at

859
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 4: the downside, but like if Trey Lance is good and

860
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 4: mitigates you know, the potential issues on the interior of

861
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 4: the offensive line, which is not not out of the

862
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 4: question that that could happen. Uh, this could be one

863
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 4: of the best teams in the NFL. I mean that

864
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 4: like the rest of the roster just up and down.

865
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 4: I mean it's gonna be hard to target them on defense.

866
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 4: You're gonna really have to pick your spots like targeting

867
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 4: like a like a specific player or area of the field.

868
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: Like it's it's gonna be tough. So yeah, I like

869
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: the nine of that side. Might I might look into

870
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: them on some upside upside bets or something. I haven't.

871
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 4: I still don't love their home schedule, but you made

872
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 4: a good point about about them going on the road,

873
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 4: a lot of winnable ro games. I don't think I've

874
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 4: ever seen a team with five straight home games either.

875
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: Is that a record?

876
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: I think that the Arizona game might be in Mexico.

877
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 4: Oh okay, that's gotta be what it is, because yeah,

878
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 4: I'm just looking at the.

879
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: ESPN schedule and it just it just says versus. It

880
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: doesn't give the location.

881
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Arizona game is a neutral. But

882
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: you only have one road game, and and it's against

883
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: Seattle in November and December. Uh.

884
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

885
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: The offensive line, it's I could see it working, but

886
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 2: they cannot make like they need mcglinchy to come back

887
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: healthy at right tackle. You can't have Trent Williams get

888
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: hurt like it's so it's it's ah, there's some things.

889
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 2: If anything goes wrong on offensive line, it gets ugly quick.

890
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: I think you have like I don't even know the bat.

891
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: Their backup left tackle is mckivot's. It can get ugly quick.

892
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

893
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 4: Well, as long as Kyle Shanty has that stunning Williams

894
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 4: in motion to crackback block on a quarterback sneak. Uh,

895
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 4: you know we should be get all right, Arizona Cardinals

896
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 4: eight half of their win total UH minus one tell

897
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 4: on both sides.

898
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: I got him favored in seven games.

899
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 4: Clust Kingbray has not lost the win total yet. He's

900
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 4: too oh with one push two and oh with one push.

901
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 4: I could see the Cardinals going under this one.

902
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: I gulve I.

903
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 4: If I had to choose any of these teams to

904
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 4: to UH to bet an under on, it probably going

905
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 4: to be the Cardinals.

906
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: Out of the teams we talked about UH in this division.

907
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: But what say you?

908
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I protect them at eight. I mean, this is

909
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 2: just a five hundred team get off to a fast

910
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 2: start in Kingsbury fashion, but they don't have Hopkins to

911
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: start the year UH and then crashing burn late. They're

912
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: just they just bore me. They laugh at them. But

913
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: I didn't like what they did this past offseason. The

914
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: definition of a five hundred team. To me, it was

915
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: a home game in Mexico. They've been weird, like bad

916
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: at home. It's been very odd. And I didn't like

917
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: their draft. By the way, they traded for Marky's Brown

918
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: whatever and his can ition with Kyler. Maybe that works out,

919
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: but I didn't like their draft. If you look at

920
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: their home games, which this isn't going to help their

921
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: win total. It's you know, they're home against the Chiefs,

922
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: talk about coaching this match to start the year, and

923
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: they're home against the Rams, home against the Eagles, home

924
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 2: against the Saints. Then obviously you gotta play the Seahawks.

925
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 2: To get the Seahawks at home. Their home game against

926
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 2: the forty nine Ers is in Mexico, and they're home

927
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 2: against the Chargers, home against the Patriots, and home against

928
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: the Bucks. Like that is hard, harder home schedule as

929
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 2: you could ever imagine. Now that means they have winnable

930
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: road games, you know, at the Panthers, Seahawks, but they're

931
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: at the Vikings, They're also at the Rams. It's a sneaky,

932
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: really tough schedule. I had them with the fourth hardest

933
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: schedule in the NFL. And you remember, you gotta remember

934
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 2: you don't have Hopkins for the first six Not a

935
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: fan of old Cliff Cliff Cliff. Have you heard about

936
00:46:58,640 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 2: the logs.

937
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 4: He's a Lewis about.

938
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: He still gets up try pretty tumultuous offseason about the

939
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: Kyler Merray stuff. I don't know, I could see it

940
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 2: going sideways quick. It's under or nothing, but not enough

941
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 2: for me to play. I'm at seven point nine wins.

942
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

943
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 4: I actually the more I look at this, I'm actually

944
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 4: liking there Under quite a bit because you know, I

945
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 4: already I had my eye on them because I only

946
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 4: had him favored in seven games.

947
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: And it's it's kind of straightforward.

948
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 4: I mean, they just have some tough home games and

949
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 4: you know a few, you know, winnable road games, but

950
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 4: you know, you prefer it the other way, like this

951
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 4: could be as good as they were.

952
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: And what were they the last undefeated team last year?

953
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: I believe it was m H.

954
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 4: And they're not that deep either, Like they have some

955
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 4: depth concerns too. You know, they lost Chadwick Jones. You know,

956
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 4: mentioned they're gonna be without Hopkins James Connor. There's a

957
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 4: big drop off you know after him at running back

958
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 4: and lying really isn't.

959
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: Great, uh, top to bottom, it could get bad in Arizona.

960
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think I'm gonna be on this under,

961
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 4: especially because it's not you know, juiced up or anything

962
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 4: like that. I think Quiff finally goes under the total.

963
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll join you.

964
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: You gotta face if I'm fitting Cliff, You gotta face.

965
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know all right, I'm.

966
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: All right.

967
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 4: And then we got the Seattle Seahawks to wrap it

968
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 4: up five and a half plus one oh five to

969
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 4: the over minus one twenty five to the under.

970
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: Uh.

971
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 4: You know you mentioned Jimmy could come here, so you know,

972
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 4: if you're into that kind of speculation, he'd be worth that.

973
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: Least uh probably a win if not more. So you know,

974
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: five and a half.

975
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 4: Uh, and you're getting plus money. So if if you

976
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 4: want to make that bet, feel free. They still don't

977
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 4: forget though, they still probably gonna have a bottom three

978
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 4: O line.

979
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: Uh oh line is not going.

980
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 4: To be great, and they got pretty lucky when it

981
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 4: came to injuries. Last year they were six and adjusted

982
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 4: games lost. I only have them favored in four games,

983
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 4: so uh, not super bullish on Seattle. I think like this,

984
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 4: there's gonna be certain things about this team that go underrated.

985
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 4: Like I think in fantasy people are sleeping on Tyra Lockett,

986
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 4: like he just like it's not only Russell Wilson that

987
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 4: made him good. But and I think you know, Rashad

988
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 4: Penny for as long as it's healthy, could be interesting.

989
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: But there's just like I just don't there's another team

990
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: with just a lot of defensive weakness up the middle.

991
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,959
Speaker 1: I think you know, and I just I don't. I don't.

992
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: I don't really see outside of if you're betting on

993
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: Jimmy coming there, why you're betting over for Seattle.

994
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah I do. I'm I project them Seattle five and

995
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 2: a half on the dot and I just ran it

996
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 2: with Jimmy g and I have them that would be

997
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 2: worth right one wine. So I would like if you,

998
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 2: I do think he's gonna be there, So I lean

999
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 2: over only on that that basis. Obviously there's a chance

1000
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: that he doesn't go there as well. I would think

1001
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: that Sanford wouldn't want him.

1002
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 4: To go there, but.

1003
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: Well they got they might have to cut him, right,

1004
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: if they have to, they cut him. Yeah, that's it.

1005
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 2: But you also have to remember that, like he's it's

1006
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 2: August twenty third, right, so like you, he's really he's

1007
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 2: even gonna start right away. You gotta learn the offense.

1008
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: You gotta It's not happening today or tomorrow. Even so

1009
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: you have to keep that in mind as well. There's

1010
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 2: definitely gonna be a major adjustment period going to a

1011
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 2: brand new offense. You're still gonna have some inefficient play

1012
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: calling with Pete Carroll. Yeah, the offensive line is going

1013
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: to be bad. There's some things I really don't like

1014
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 2: about this defense and.

1015
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: Who's uh.

1016
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 2: God, I can't even think of their care is already

1017
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 2: Burns the starting cornerback for them.

1018
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 4: I believe it is already Burns and Sydney Jones, who

1019
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 4: both actually well. Jones played well at times last year.

1020
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 2: I don't mind Jones, I think are already Burns is Uh.

1021
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 1: He's he's been up and down.

1022
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 4: He had a good year well in limited action last

1023
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 4: year he was decent, but two really bad years you know. Uh,

1024
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 4: and he missed one too, So yeah, he's he's all

1025
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 4: over the place.

1026
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a fan of this team. I mean,

1027
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 2: this is a bad team. So like there's a ship

1028
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 2: ton of winnable games, even though they're in a really

1029
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 2: tough division. It's like I have them like the tenth

1030
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 2: hardest schedule, and that's in the division, so that means

1031
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 2: that their non division games are pretty easy. If there's

1032
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: news that Jimmy g goes and pull up your books

1033
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 2: fast and see if they're still five and a half

1034
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 2: out there, and I would bet it then if not,

1035
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 2: as a pass.

1036
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 4: That makes me like the Cardinals under even more because

1037
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 4: if Jimmy g comes there, that just decreases the Cardinals

1038
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 4: win total a tiny bit too. I think I'll be

1039
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 4: on the Cardinals under. That's that's really gonna be my play.

1040
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 4: I think invest in the high upside bets with the Saints.

1041
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 4: You know, look at the division, look at the plus one.

1042
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 4: I believe it is to make the playoffs, and then

1043
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 4: Cardinals under. Those are my plays.

1044
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: I can just give the non of apprual. I agree

1045
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: Saints division, and I think you've convinced me on the

1046
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: Cardinals under.

1047
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 4: That's gonna wrap it up for our NFC Win Totals

1048
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 4: Part two. I will have our AFC Win Totals pods

1049
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 4: Part one or two up later in the weeks. We'll

1050
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 4: look out for those tons of NFL betting episodes reading

1051
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,840
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00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,160
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00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,600
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