Speaker 1: Welcome in What Driving the Great? Episode four O two.
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Speaker 1: last forty eight hours or so for me, and a
Speaker 1: lot to get to in today's show. So demanse great
Speaker 1: to see.
Speaker 2: You with it.
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Speaker 1: That's what I thought. Uh, that's a I love that.
Speaker 1: If you're watching on YouTube, Demande's wearing a marathon T
Speaker 1: shirt which just looks outstanding. You look great. You look
Speaker 1: better rested than I would have expected. So it seems.
Speaker 2: Like last night was okay good, got all the big
Speaker 2: cries out at like eight nine pm, So okay, two
Speaker 2: three of the morning, we were good, okay, awesome.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're getting some resk acclimated. If people are
Speaker 1: like big cries, what are you guys talking about. Demand's
Speaker 1: going through a really hard time and he's been emotional lately. No,
Speaker 1: Demondy's got a one month old at home and so
Speaker 1: he's dealing with that. Uh, let's get right to it straight.
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Speaker 1: is back. I'm gonna go ahead and say he's not
Speaker 1: going to average two hundred and fifteen yards a game
Speaker 1: over the final four. So the thousand yard streak is over.
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers is returning. We will cover that in the
Speaker 1: Gambling Show. And listen the producers saying, are Nick and
Speaker 1: Pablo beefing?
Speaker 2: Again?
Speaker 1: Listen, Nick and Pablo were never beefing. I have also
Speaker 1: never been shy or ambivalent about the fact that maybe
Speaker 1: there is something psychologically wrong with me. But I have
Speaker 1: a list, and it's through no fault of their own,
Speaker 1: of what I consider to be media rivals, which is
Speaker 1: anyone in my field or my field adjacent who is
Speaker 1: my age or younger. And I have said many a
Speaker 1: time that I must vanquish them, and after yesterday, one
Speaker 1: less person to vanquish. Let's get to the Chiefs, sa Bonse,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 2: So your Chiefs are almost facing elimination. They are at
Speaker 2: a rough spot. There is a must win against the
Speaker 2: Chargers this weekend. They are plus five hundred to make
Speaker 2: the playoffs. You said with this game, you would believe
Speaker 2: in them. Again, you also had a crazy take about
Speaker 2: this being a must win for the Chargers on your show.
Speaker 2: Did you care to explain both of those?
Speaker 1: Okay, sure, so listen. All plus five hundred doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like as long of a shot as it feels like
Speaker 1: plus five hundred. It feels like the way. And what
Speaker 1: I said about what I would believe in is I
Speaker 1: understand it is irrational, so to speak, but what is
Speaker 1: definitively true is if I know myself and if the
Speaker 1: Chiefs win this weekend, within the Titans on deck, with
Speaker 1: the possibility of a Chargers collapse, I will be just
Speaker 1: when I think I'm out, they pull me back in
Speaker 1: Godfather threes style like that. That is true. It's also
Speaker 1: noteworthy to me that this line is up to I
Speaker 1: think five and a half. The Chiefs, that haven't played
Speaker 1: a good sixty minute four quarter football game in a
Speaker 1: month and a half are a five and a half
Speaker 1: point favorite over the nine and four Los Angeles Chargers,
Speaker 1: and so I will get more to the chief side
Speaker 1: in a second, but I do want to explain what
Speaker 1: I was saying yesterday about this being a must win
Speaker 1: for the Chargers, and I suppose that is a matter
Speaker 1: of perspective. But if your perspective is that the Chargers
Speaker 1: in an AFC that will likely never again be this
Speaker 1: wide open in a playoff field, where Herbert walks into
Speaker 1: it likely as essentially the second most experienced quarterback to
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. In the AFC, well, Aaron Rodgers would be
Speaker 1: the most experienced, But I almost feel like at this point,
Speaker 1: like that circle has come all the way around to
Speaker 1: where his experience works against him because he's so damn old,
Speaker 1: and so let me put it like this, this is
Speaker 1: maybe the better way to put it. In this playoff field,
Speaker 1: Herbert will be one of only three quarterbacks that are
Speaker 1: in the prime of their careers, with it being Josh,
Speaker 1: him and the Prince. Most people believe he's better than
Speaker 1: the Prince. He's obviously older, you know, more experienced than
Speaker 1: the young guys. So in that regard that really works
Speaker 1: in their favor. They are coming on, They are, while
Speaker 1: still dealing with injuries, getting healthier. They just got their
Speaker 1: running back back for their Omari and Hampton, their first
Speaker 1: round pick. When Jim Harbaugh got there, he talked about
Speaker 1: winning multiple Super Bowls, right he talked about this being
Speaker 1: a championship operation. And so if you are looking at
Speaker 1: the Chargers from through the prism of can they for
Speaker 1: the first time since Philip Rivers was there, go on
Speaker 1: a real playoff run, can they for the first time
Speaker 1: since the mid nineteen ninety four potentially make a Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: Then in order for you to believe they have that gear,
Speaker 1: they absolutely must go into Arrowhead and end the chief season.
Speaker 1: This Chiefs team is playing its worst football, is wildly
Speaker 1: banged up, and in fact, I do want I meant
Speaker 1: to check this before. I want to see if they've
Speaker 1: updated it real quick. Yes they have, so the Chiefs
Speaker 1: injury report Trey Smith back, but Juwan Taylor still has
Speaker 1: not practiced. So much like the Chargers, the Chiefs are
Speaker 1: gonna be going potentially going into this game without either
Speaker 1: of their starting tackles or their top backup tackle in
Speaker 1: Wanya Morris. So and the Chargers have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: end the Chiefs officially put them out, and if they don't,
Speaker 1: then I will feel like I know one thing and
Speaker 1: start to be concerned on the Chargers' behalf of another thing.
Speaker 1: The thing I will feel like I know is this
Speaker 1: team doesn't have win three straight playoff games get to
Speaker 1: the super Bowl gear it because I don't think they
Speaker 1: There are parts of that Eagles game that they should
Speaker 1: feel great about, and then there are parts of that
Speaker 1: Eagles game where they should feel very, very fortunate that
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts gave it away at the very end. So
Speaker 1: I will feel like, I know, they don't have a
Speaker 1: super Bowl gear. And the thing that I would be
Speaker 1: concerned about Demons if they lose this game is that
Speaker 1: they might be playing in Week eighteen with the playoffs
Speaker 1: on the line. So that is the wrinkle here. The
Speaker 1: wrinkle here is and there's a lot of ifs here.
Speaker 1: This is why it's plus five hundred. But if we
Speaker 1: assume the Colts are not going to go I guess
Speaker 1: for the Chargers case, this doesn't really the Cults doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter, but I'm gonna include him anyway. Aren't gonna
Speaker 1: go three and one or better down the stretch, Then
Speaker 1: that final AFC playoff spot likely comes down to Chiefs Chargers. Again.
Speaker 1: If the Chiefs win this weekend, and if they do
Speaker 1: and then we assume Kansas City is going to beat
Speaker 1: Tennessee the following week, then it can start to get
Speaker 1: a little tight for the Chargers because after the Chiefs game,
Speaker 1: they have three straight brutal opponents. They are at the
Speaker 1: Cowboys home for the Texans, and then this is the
Speaker 1: game that I'm focused on at Denver in a game
Speaker 1: that might for the Broncos be win this game and
Speaker 1: you are the one seed Denver, and the Chargers will
Speaker 1: be in a position of if they lose to the
Speaker 1: Chiefs that if again I said, there were gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of ifs they don't win both of Cowboys Texans.
Speaker 1: If they lose just one of those games, then Week
Speaker 1: eighteen in Denver could be winning. You go to the playoffs,
Speaker 1: lose and the Chiefs take your playoff spot again. That is,
Speaker 1: assuming the Chiefs beat the Titans and Raiders and they
Speaker 1: win a home game against Denver in Week seventeen, that'll
Speaker 1: be very difficult. So that's the for a team that
Speaker 1: I think has as far as its organizational DNA has
Speaker 1: a lot of hitting tight in big spots. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: whose quarterback in the three biggest the two playoff games
Speaker 1: and the one other if you remember when and your
Speaker 1: in Week eighteen game that he's played in has not
Speaker 1: played anything close to his best ball. I'd be a
Speaker 1: little nervous about it.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Yeah, I was about to say, I feel
Speaker 2: like the last time he was in that spot, he
Speaker 2: threw like four picks could be.
Speaker 1: The playoff game. The playoff game was four picks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay the last year.
Speaker 1: So the three there's been one winning you're in and
Speaker 1: two playoff games. The winning you're in was against the
Speaker 1: Raiders in Week eighteen, where he had an eighty passer rating,
Speaker 1: completed fifty three percent of his passes. They lost in overtime,
Speaker 1: and the Raiders, with their interim head coach, went to
Speaker 1: the playoffs. The playoff games were a twenty seven point
Speaker 1: lead late in the first half and then did absolutely
Speaker 1: nothing the entire second half and they lost by a
Speaker 1: point to the Prince. And then last year a one touchdown,
Speaker 1: four interception, forty passer rating playoff game where he completed
Speaker 1: forty four percent of his passes. So the chart flip
Speaker 1: side is Chargers win this weekend and it's all good.
Speaker 1: You essentially lock up a playoff spot, you definitionally knocked
Speaker 1: the Chiefs out of the postseason, and it's good. And
Speaker 1: so that's why this is such a huge game. For
Speaker 1: the Chargers and for Kansas City. We are just gonna
Speaker 1: find out if the three time defind the AFC champs
Speaker 1: have any fight left in them, or if the last
Speaker 1: three years in Lark you know bigger, the last seven
Speaker 1: years have taken a toll and you know this is
Speaker 1: it for the year. It'll be a sad way to
Speaker 1: go out if that's how they go out. But given
Speaker 1: how they've played the last month, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: sit here and project this confidence that there's no chance
Speaker 1: they go out that way.
Speaker 2: Is that game going to have a roof on it?
Speaker 2: Is there going to be in a dome? Or is
Speaker 2: which game when they play the Chargers? Oh yeah, all right, no,
Speaker 2: no, no curious. I mean, if it wasn't a dome, I'm
Speaker 2: definitely taking the Chiefs. But it's not a dome, so
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no. The So this the Chiefs have
Speaker 1: two home games left the Chargers and the Broncos, two
Speaker 1: very tough games, and then two road games left the
Speaker 1: Titans and the Raiders, the two worst teams in football.
Speaker 1: So the benefit is your home games are your tough
Speaker 1: games are at home. But they just had a home
Speaker 1: game against the Texans that they weren't able to figure
Speaker 1: out a way to win on So after being a
Speaker 1: great home team all year, that has been fractured a bit.
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Speaker 1: All right, demanse, let's talk about some quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about some slumping quarterbacks. First off, your guy
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield's kind of fallen off a cliff since a
Speaker 2: few weeks ago, they are asking if Jalen Hurt should
Speaker 2: be benched after winning a Super Bowl, and Lamar Jackson
Speaker 2: as just not Lamar, I'm praying for you.
Speaker 1: Lamar.
Speaker 2: What's your level of concern for each quarterback? First off?
Speaker 2: And who do you expect to bounce with a bounce back?
Speaker 2: Bounce back? First from.
Speaker 1: Listen. I think Baker will bounce back. But this has
Speaker 1: been a really grizzly stretch for Baker. But I think
Speaker 1: Baker that I don't know if there's a positive or negative,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna, at least in my mind make it
Speaker 1: a positive. With Baker, it's very simple. He's just not
Speaker 1: playing well, and he's had these little peaks and valleys
Speaker 1: in his career. Like now he is dealing with left
Speaker 1: shoulder injury, and so that does make you a little
Speaker 1: concern because that can linger, and it's an injury he's
Speaker 1: dealt with before. But I think Baker will bounce back
Speaker 1: at least enough to where they stabilize they win that division.
Speaker 1: And Baker's been a gamer in the playoffs his whole career.
Speaker 1: So Baker is the one I'm least concerned about Hurts.
Speaker 1: I'm not so much concerned about him demands as I
Speaker 1: am just accepting of what I feel like are some
Speaker 1: his pretty obvious limitations, which again, limitations doesn't mean you're
Speaker 1: bad and it limitation. Having limitations does not mean that, uh,
Speaker 1: you're not a good quarterback or obviously the guy's the rains.
Speaker 2: You're not good at something, though, is a limitation.
Speaker 1: Right, It means there are It means you are not
Speaker 1: a come complete. Yeah, well you're not excellent at everything.
Speaker 1: Let me put it as kindly as I can. And
Speaker 1: I think what we're seeing and what we saw in
Speaker 1: four K Monday night was Jalen Hurts limitations as a
Speaker 1: hit every quadrant of the field, drop back, passer, or
Speaker 1: glaring and when he is in the situation he's in
Speaker 1: now where it's like, oh, the offensive line went from
Speaker 1: maybe the best in the league to mediocre. The running
Speaker 1: game went from the best in the league to mediocre,
Speaker 1: and we are going to need the quarterback to go
Speaker 1: out there and make plays If Jay Ellen is not
Speaker 1: willing to activate the quarterback driven runs and scrambles. More
Speaker 1: than that, Eagles offense is going to be very, very laborious.
Speaker 1: Everything is going to be hard. And so that is
Speaker 1: to me just the a reality that is not going
Speaker 1: to change. He's not going to get any taller. He's
Speaker 1: not going to all of a sudden become a pinpoint
Speaker 1: intermediate over the middle of the field passer. And you've
Speaker 1: got to find ways to scheme and coach and work
Speaker 1: around that. But I am really concerned about Philadelphia, and
Speaker 1: I am not writing in pen that they are winning
Speaker 1: that division because again, there are some ifs here I understand.
Speaker 1: But if you believe that the Cowboys are going to
Speaker 1: beat the Vikings this weekend, I do beat the Chargers
Speaker 1: in Dallas next weekend, they certainly could, and then win
Speaker 1: at the Commanders. And then if you believe that the Eagles,
Speaker 1: let's just give them the next two wins, that they're
Speaker 1: gonna win against the Raiders and win against the Commanders,
Speaker 1: but then believe they are going to lose to the
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. So if the Cowboys go three to zero
Speaker 1: and the Eagles go two and one with a loss
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, then the Eagles will enter Week eighteen facing
Speaker 1: the situation of if Dallas beats the Giants and those
Speaker 1: games would be played simultaneously, the Eagles win the division
Speaker 1: by beating the Commanders, and their season is over by
Speaker 1: losing that game, and this Eagles team that has been
Speaker 1: hanging by a thread emotionally throughout the year, I would
Speaker 1: be very nervous about that that becoming reality. And so
Speaker 1: it doesn't take some massive swoon for them to be
Speaker 1: facing a winning your end losing your out Week eighteen game.
Speaker 1: It's a somewhat to me likely scenario. So I'd be
Speaker 1: worried about that. With all that said, Demonsey, I am
Speaker 1: most worried about what's going on in Baltimore. So Lamar
Speaker 1: didn't practice again yesterday, So that's now five straight weeks
Speaker 1: he's missed at least one day of practice. It was
Speaker 1: not he was not listed as missing practice with an injury.
Speaker 1: It was listed as rest, and Harball was asked about
Speaker 1: it and said, listen, basically, if the player, you gotta
Speaker 1: trust the player, and if the player says he needs it,
Speaker 1: then we're giving him the day. I think it is
Speaker 1: also very fair to say that this I don't even
Speaker 1: know if I want to call it a strategy, but
Speaker 1: this trend of Lamar missing one of the practices in
Speaker 1: the week leading up to a game has not let
Speaker 1: has has shown it sure appears to impact his play.
Speaker 1: He is in the midst of the worst stretch of
Speaker 1: football he's ever played. And this is just a blind theory, Demons,
Speaker 1: But I think Lamar is over Harball, and I think
Speaker 1: Lamar is resigned to a degree to the fate of
Speaker 1: the season. And I think that Lamar is ready for
Speaker 1: the next chapter in Baltimore. And so I don't think
Speaker 1: we're all of a sudden about to see great Lamar.
Speaker 1: I think he'll be better than he's been the last month,
Speaker 1: but I don't think I think Lamar is ready for
Speaker 1: the Harball Todd Mounkin mini era and the long Harbaugh
Speaker 1: era to be over. And I think the fact that
Speaker 1: John Harbaugh cannot seem to get a handle on the
Speaker 1: health and practice status of his star quarterback is an ominous,
Speaker 1: ominous sign. So the.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised you said it's hard like some of the
Speaker 2: stuff that I see going all with Lebron or Lebron Lamar,
Speaker 2: it doesn't really seem like a like a Harball problem.
Speaker 2: It kind of seems like a Lamar problem. But you're
Speaker 2: you're saying that he might be despondent to him, and
Speaker 2: it's just like, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I agree with I think the
Speaker 1: biggest problem right now for Baltimore is their star quarterbacks
Speaker 1: having the worst stretch of his career. But it just
Speaker 1: feels to me like it's more than that right now.
Speaker 1: At play here, do you do you have a Baltimore
Speaker 1: Super Bowl take?
Speaker 2: Well, well, I can feel like it kind of feeds
Speaker 2: into sag here, It kind of feeds into the betting
Speaker 2: show later. I think it would, you know it would
Speaker 2: It would require me to reveal one of my legs.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so we see I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, I'll save it for the next show. Okay,
Speaker 2: cause it'll make more sense.
Speaker 1: Okay. Uh, here is the glass one tenth full version
Speaker 1: of the Ravens moving forward. They're gonna win just enough
Speaker 1: to win that terrible division. They win the final game
Speaker 1: against Pittsburgh and they get in at nine and eight
Speaker 1: or something, and a Ravens team that has very consistently
Speaker 1: been this regular season juggernaut and then playoff underachiever reverses
Speaker 1: it this year where they are a regular season underachiever,
Speaker 1: go into the playoffs with no expectation, with people not
Speaker 1: believing in them, and that is why they end up
Speaker 1: going on a run. Do I believe that is likely.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not do I even know if that is possible?
Speaker 1: Not really, but that would be if I were a
Speaker 1: Ravens fan. That's what I would be trying to convince
Speaker 1: myself is going to happen. All right, let's talk Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2: So we all know Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow's had it
Speaker 2: pretty rough over there in Cincinnati. He had a press
Speaker 2: conference yesterday and here's what he had to say.
Speaker 3: You know, if I want to I want to keep
Speaker 3: doing this, I have to have fun doing it. You know,
Speaker 3: I've been through a lot and if it's not fun,
Speaker 3: then what am I doing it for?
Speaker 2: I have the Bengals broken. Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: You really don't like when your franchise quarterback who's not
Speaker 1: yet turned thirty says if I want to keep doing this,
Speaker 1: that is, if I'm a Bengal fan. That's a five
Speaker 1: alarm fire, and it is a shocking It's a shocking
Speaker 1: enough quote. I thought about leading the show with it,
Speaker 1: but I I feel like you guys, when the Chiefs
Speaker 1: are down, want to hear my chiefs pain and cope.
Speaker 1: So I led with the Chiefs. But Joe Burrow, who
Speaker 1: you know, still has what does he have four years
Speaker 1: left on his massive deal. Uh yeah, four years left
Speaker 1: on his five year, two hundred and seventy five million
Speaker 1: dollar contract. Him talking about if I want to keep
Speaker 1: doing this, Uh I, I would be lying if I
Speaker 1: did not say it at least briefly gave me Andrew
Speaker 1: luck vibes of oh man, has this guy just his
Speaker 1: body's been through so much. He was so close so
Speaker 1: early and now the team seems to be getting further
Speaker 1: away that he's like, I don't I'm not enjoying this.
Speaker 2: Then also seeing his predecessors continuously, you know, make it
Speaker 2: to the postseason and battle it out, and he's had
Speaker 2: to sit out a couple of them, probably.
Speaker 1: Right, three playoffs in a row. And I also think
Speaker 1: there is the emotional toll of man. My second year
Speaker 1: in the league, I have the ball in my hands
Speaker 1: in the super Bowl with a chance to go win
Speaker 1: it after beating Mahomes. My third year in the league,
Speaker 1: I have the ball in my hands in Arrowhead with
Speaker 1: a chance to go back to the Super Bowl tie game.
Speaker 1: And really myself above Patrick been in the league three years,
Speaker 1: made back to back Super Bowls. You have it, You've lost.
Speaker 2: To me.
Speaker 1: And those two moments those two drives where his blocking
Speaker 1: broke down, by the way on both he got hit
Speaker 1: on the final pass of both seasons. In the Chiefs game,
Speaker 1: he didn't even it wasn't even a final pass. Chris
Speaker 1: Jones just sacked him. The Rams game, Aaron Donald gets
Speaker 1: right to him, but he's He takes the field in
Speaker 1: year two in the Super Bowl saying touchdown, I'm a
Speaker 1: champion forever. He takes the field Year three AFC Championship
Speaker 1: game field goal, I'm back in the Super Bowl and
Speaker 1: I kind of own this Mahomes rivalry. And now we're
Speaker 1: at the end of year six and that was his
Speaker 1: last playoff touch. That's tough. That's like a really and
Speaker 1: the you add to it all of the physical, real
Speaker 1: weird injuries he's dealt with turf tow and the wrist thing,
Speaker 1: and dealing with the different franchise holdouts and contract disputes
Speaker 1: every year and.
Speaker 2: See tragic organization.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, and it is. It is why some people said,
Speaker 1: you know, do an l Way or an ELI and
Speaker 1: don't go there. And so you know, people asking what
Speaker 1: would a Joe Burrow trade look like, I mean, as
Speaker 1: I did on TV yesterday, and you know I'll do
Speaker 1: on radio again or on podcast today to quote Mike Meltzer.
Speaker 1: Being in a position where you have to trade prime
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is a fold the franchise moment. There is
Speaker 1: no getting around it. But what would a Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: trade look like? Three first and three second rounders? You're
Speaker 1: first and because you can, you're only allowed to trade
Speaker 1: three picks in the league. The Daniel says, Miles Garrett
Speaker 1: and the Browns picks, they would never listen. I don't
Speaker 1: think they would trade Joe Burrow, but if they were to,
Speaker 1: they certainly wouldn't do it in the division, which is
Speaker 1: a bit of a shame because the Browns have all
Speaker 1: the picks. Like the another team that has, you know,
Speaker 1: the team that could trade you four first round picks
Speaker 1: other than the Browns is the Rams because they have
Speaker 1: two picks in this upcoming draft. But and that would
Speaker 1: be a really interesting one if the Rams did bleep
Speaker 1: them picks again. But that would only make sense if
Speaker 1: Stafford were retiring after this year, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't they You couldn't roster Stafford and Burrow to
Speaker 1: be like, hey, Burrow's gonna sit a year and then
Speaker 1: take over. So the timing of that wouldn't work. But
Speaker 1: this is if I'm a Bengals fan, I am terrified
Speaker 1: of that press conference, terrified of it. And we've seen
Speaker 1: guys walk away. We haven't the only you're way too
Speaker 1: young to remember this, Demante, but the only. And he
Speaker 1: wasn't quite a star at this point in his career,
Speaker 1: but he So I'm just gonna I'm gonna tell this
Speaker 1: story in a different way. Once upon a time, and wow,
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about this. Great job Nick for
Speaker 1: putting this together in real time. Once upon a time,
Speaker 1: there was a number one overall pick quarterback who after
Speaker 1: seven eight years in the league with some it wasn't us.
Speaker 1: He was not Joe Burrows level, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: but one year he led the league in touchdown passes,
Speaker 1: finished top five in MVP voting. It was actually his
Speaker 1: second years, probably his high water mark. Went to the
Speaker 1: playoffs a couple times, had disappointing postseason defeats, and one
Speaker 1: of the postseasons suffered a catastrophic injury on right when
Speaker 1: the first playoff game started. Essentially, that player, right after
Speaker 1: he turned thirty, woke up one morning and said I'm
Speaker 1: either retiring or you're trading me, but I am not
Speaker 1: taking another snap for this franchise. And that number one
Speaker 1: pick quarterback his name was Carson Palmer and demons. I'll
Speaker 1: give you one guess. What franchise do you think he
Speaker 1: played for?
Speaker 2: The Chiefs?
Speaker 1: Oh Man, you blew that. That's the worst job you've
Speaker 1: done in a long.
Speaker 2: Time, Carson Palmer? No, what did Carson Palmers?
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Joe Burrow and the dysfunctional Bengals. And
Speaker 1: I gave this whole story, So I'm gonna let you
Speaker 1: have another try. What team the Bangs? A good job?
Speaker 1: That was? That was I was really trying to set
Speaker 1: I know this happened literally when you were a top
Speaker 1: this small child, but I thought I.
Speaker 2: Gave you enough context it Yeah.
Speaker 1: The uh, it was the Bengals. And so the only
Speaker 1: other guy like and I'm Joe has not demanded a trade.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he has, but.
Speaker 2: Sounds like he's closer to demanding a trade than not
Speaker 2: demanding a trade at some point.
Speaker 1: Or walking away. Yeah, so I tough spot man. Are
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Speaker 1: all Right, Before we get to some of the other
Speaker 1: NFL stuff, let's discuss some of the NBA Cup and
Speaker 1: Lakers and basketball stuff.
Speaker 2: So last night, your Lakers got knocked out of the
Speaker 2: NBA Cup by Wimby Liss Spurs. This is coming right
Speaker 2: after Rich Paul said that the Lakers aren't even a
Speaker 2: Western Conference finals team. Oh what how should Lakers? How
Speaker 2: should Lakers fans feel? Like? Right field? Right now?
Speaker 1: First of all, I haven't listened to the pod yet,
Speaker 1: but I'm being told Rich was just firing off takes,
Speaker 1: including advocating for I think Lamar to be traded, advocating
Speaker 1: for my homes to be traded to the Cowboys, and
Speaker 1: then throwing in that, yeah, the Lakers don't have enough.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing about what Rich said and last
Speaker 1: night's game, because they're kind of tied together. First of all,
Speaker 1: it needs to be noted Rich. People are talking about
Speaker 1: what Rich said as if Rich has one client, Lebron James.
Speaker 1: It's like, wow, Lebron's agent says the Lakers don't have enough.
Speaker 1: Rich has fifty clients all over the league. Lebron is
Speaker 1: obviously the most prominent, obviously the most noteworthy, and Lebron
Speaker 1: and Rich founded that agency together. But it is one
Speaker 1: could argue that, you know Rich Anthony Davis not one
Speaker 1: could argue he is Anthony Davis is a client. Tyrese Max,
Speaker 1: He's a client like Rich has clients all over the place, right,
Speaker 1: And if he's gonna do this pod, he's always gonna
Speaker 1: be given takes about teams that you know his clients
Speaker 1: are on. It's why this is gonna be so fastating
Speaker 1: to see. And I really like Max Kellerman a lot,
Speaker 1: and so I think it'll, you know, good for them
Speaker 1: on that venture, and good for them for making waves
Speaker 1: with the first episode. Furthermore, I understand people might not
Speaker 1: like hearing it, or might not like who the messenger was,
Speaker 1: But does anyone actually disagree with Rich's message that right
Speaker 1: now the Lakers are not a championship caliber team. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe that's more about that no one is because the
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Thunder exists, who, by the way, won their
Speaker 1: NBA Cup game last night by fifty and the the
Speaker 1: biggest to me, the most disappointing part of the Lakers
Speaker 1: losing that game was I would have liked to see
Speaker 1: how the Lakers stack up against a fully healthy Thunder
Speaker 1: team in a as meaningful of a regular season game
Speaker 1: as you're gonna get the NBA Cup semifinals, But instead
Speaker 1: they lost to a Wimby liss Spurs, which speaks additionally
Speaker 1: to I think Rich's overall point, which again I disagree
Speaker 1: that the Lakers are not Western Conference Finals caliber like
Speaker 1: I do think if they got the right draw and
Speaker 1: if they're healthy, they could make the conference finals if
Speaker 1: they're on the opposite side of the bracket of the Thunder,
Speaker 1: which means they're the two or the three seed. But
Speaker 1: when you see the Spurs are now have the same
Speaker 1: record as the Lakers at seventeen and seven, and Wimby
Speaker 1: hasn't played in nearly a month, you do start to
Speaker 1: be get concerned about well, how how even if you
Speaker 1: set Oklahoma City aside, where do the Lakers stack up
Speaker 1: in the West, Like Denver is outstanding, Houston unbelievably as
Speaker 1: the best offense in the league, and the Spurs are
Speaker 1: have won seven of ten and their young guards are
Speaker 1: playing out of their mind. And Wimby at some point
Speaker 1: is coming back. So people can dislike what Rich said,
Speaker 1: but I because of who the messenger is, But I
Speaker 1: don't think the message is totally incorrect. Now, evidently Wimby
Speaker 1: could return this weekend, which maybe gives us a chet
Speaker 1: Wimby game in the NBA Cup semi finals, which should
Speaker 1: be sick. I would imagine when Wimby comes back, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be on a minute's restriction and we're going to
Speaker 1: be very cautious with him. Let's talk a little more
Speaker 1: NBA Cup demons real quick.
Speaker 2: So the Knicks and the Magic are coming out the
Speaker 2: East and the Thunder and the Spurs coming out the West,
Speaker 2: like you just discussed, and they just they did win that.
Speaker 2: It came by nearly fifty and their minus two fifty
Speaker 2: to win the whole thing. If they steam all the
Speaker 2: tournaments of the league, back it up and just come
Speaker 2: again next year.
Speaker 1: I listen the Thunder in their current forum right now,
Speaker 1: look head and shoulders better than absolutely everyone, and it's
Speaker 1: not close. It's very hard to repeat. No one's done
Speaker 1: it since the Kadi's Steph clay Draymond Warriors, and no
Speaker 1: one's come close to doing it since then. Nobody's made
Speaker 1: the finals to defend their title, and I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone's made the conference finals the year they were defending
Speaker 1: their title since the Katie Steph Warriors. But it feels
Speaker 1: like it would take uh act of God for this
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City team to not make the conference finals. And
Speaker 1: it would take a legendary, legendary Nikolajokic or Luka Doncic
Speaker 1: or And this is where you worry about the Rockets
Speaker 1: a bit, because they don't have one of those super
Speaker 1: villain guys that can just you know, put a team
Speaker 1: on his back over the course of an entire one
Speaker 1: round against a super team. I don't want there to
Speaker 1: be no drama or suspense or stakes to this NBA season,
Speaker 1: But right now, Oklahoma City looks like one of the
Speaker 1: greatest teams ever. There is no way around that. And
Speaker 1: I told you guys a month ago that getting them
Speaker 1: at sixteen to one to break the Warriors wins record.
Speaker 1: I liked that bet, and now God only knows what
Speaker 1: it is. It's probably like five to one, and at
Speaker 1: that time you could still get plus like three point
Speaker 1: fifty on them hitting seventy wins. At this point, I'd
Speaker 1: be shocked if they don't win seventy because their depth
Speaker 1: makes them they basically can deal with an injury to
Speaker 1: anyone on the roster other than Shay and be totally fine.
Speaker 1: They you know, they started this season without Jadubb, They've
Speaker 1: had different guys out, and none of it matters. I'd
Speaker 1: love to see Winby back and see what Winby can
Speaker 1: do against them in the NBA Cup, but I onlyink
Speaker 1: that'll really be a fair test of it because it's
Speaker 1: it would be Wimby's first game.
Speaker 2: Bet.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk a little more football before we
Speaker 1: move on.
Speaker 2: New England upset Buffalo back in October, and now Vegas
Speaker 2: doesn't know who should be favored in this next matchup.
Speaker 2: It's flip flop back and forth. Who do you think
Speaker 2: should be favored in this Bill's New England game?
Speaker 1: Listen. I think, and we'll talk about this more in
Speaker 1: the Pick Show. I think the Bills are gonna win.
Speaker 1: And part of that's because I think that the Bills,
Speaker 1: like the the Bills can't let the Patriots this quickly
Speaker 1: elbow them off their corner like the Patriots cannot. And
Speaker 1: I understand this isn't like deep analysis, but it is
Speaker 1: just how I feel. The Bills cannot allow the Patriots
Speaker 1: to become the true class of the AFC East before
Speaker 1: the Bills make a Super Bowl with Josh Allen. That
Speaker 1: would be a catastrophe, and so I just don't. I
Speaker 1: I also think that Josh just played a ten out
Speaker 1: of ten game against Senci. I do think, by the way,
Speaker 1: the Patriots are gonna win the division. Don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: Like I think the Patriots are going to hold on
Speaker 1: to their divisional lead and win the division. But I
Speaker 1: don't man the this would be a disaster in Buffalo
Speaker 1: if before they actually have a like play for a championship,
Speaker 1: New England becomes like the preseason favorites in the AFC East,
Speaker 1: which if they sweep them this year and have a
Speaker 1: more a sturdy playoff run than Buffalo, then they definitely
Speaker 1: will be.
Speaker 2: Would just be really sad. It's like, oh, Patrick mahomes
Speaker 2: the Bookieyman and the Bookiyman. Drake May comes in. Drake
Speaker 2: May is the reason if you will. Who do you
Speaker 2: think will be the best quarterback in the AFC in
Speaker 2: five years.
Speaker 1: In the AFC East, five years from now, five years
Speaker 1: from now. Drake. I think that, Uh, it's not like
Speaker 1: Josh's well, I don't know. Listen. I think Drake and
Speaker 1: Josh is going to be an awesome divisional quarterback rival.
Speaker 2: Drake and Josh is in there. That's crazy. I didn't realize.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that one of your shows?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, man, that was like one of my favorites
Speaker 2: back I think it was Nickelodeon, But yeah, Drake and.
Speaker 1: Joh Yeah, and listen, I I get a little annoyed
Speaker 1: with some of the Patriots stuff because of Wilds, But
Speaker 1: I think Drake May is awesome. I think he's awesome.
Speaker 1: And you know, Josh Allen is an all time great already,
Speaker 1: so Drake May could be a perennial MVP candidate and
Speaker 1: not necessarily better than Josh Allen. But they to me,
Speaker 1: what Josh has to deal with over the rest of
Speaker 1: the prime of his career with Drake May is so
Speaker 1: much tougher than what Patrick is gonna have to deal
Speaker 1: with with bow Nicks or even Herbert. Like I think
Speaker 1: Drake May already is better than Herbert, and I think
Speaker 1: Drake May is already a top five quarterback. All right,
Speaker 1: let's talk a little Lions Rams quickly before we get
Speaker 1: to our gambling show for tomorrow.
Speaker 2: So the Rams are at the top of the NFC.
Speaker 2: You've got a lot of faith in them there at
Speaker 2: the top of your tears. They got Detroit this week,
Speaker 2: though it's a big test. Who could make a bigger
Speaker 2: statement with a win in this game?
Speaker 1: Well, listen, this game is wildly important for both teams,
Speaker 1: and it's wildly important for both teams in this regard.
Speaker 1: Like the Rams have just been rolling and killing people.
Speaker 1: I know they lost two weeks ago, but that feels
Speaker 1: like a bit of a blip. But because of that
Speaker 1: lost two weeks ago, if they were to lose this game,
Speaker 1: the chances of them going from pretty clearly the best
Speaker 1: team in the conference all year long to the five
Speaker 1: seed because Seattle catches them becomes very real. And so
Speaker 1: it's important for the Rams in that regard. It's important
Speaker 1: for Detroit because Detroit has extra rest, is coming off
Speaker 1: maybe their best game and best win of the season,
Speaker 1: and they are fighting for their playoff lives, and so
Speaker 1: I expect the Rams to win this game. And if
Speaker 1: the Rams do win this game, then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we're right back to where we've been with Detroit, which
Speaker 1: has gone win loss, win, lost to Monsey dating back
Speaker 1: to week five. They beat the Bengals, lost to the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: beat the Bucks, lost to the Vikings, beat the Commanders,
Speaker 1: lost to the Eagles, beat the Giants, lost to the Backers,
Speaker 1: beat the Cowboys, and now they play the Rams. And
Speaker 1: that's no way to make the postseason. And and I
Speaker 1: like the Rams in this spot? Do I like them
Speaker 1: enough to lay the six points that will find out
Speaker 1: on the Gambling Show tomorrow, which Demonsey and I are
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