1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Welcome in What Driving the Great? Episode four O two. 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: This episode of What Drapen the Grid is presented to 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: you by our dear friends at boost Mobile. Very busy, uh, 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: last forty eight hours or so for me, and a 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: lot to get to in today's show. So demanse great 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: to see. 7 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 2: You with it. 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: It looks like a crispy Fresh new T shirt. That's 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: that is Nosh tarn It. That's the guy's company. The 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: guy what's his name, Nipseysle. Yeah, the late Nipsey Hussele. 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: That's what I thought. Uh, that's a I love that. 12 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: If you're watching on YouTube, Demande's wearing a marathon T 13 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: shirt which just looks outstanding. You look great. You look 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: better rested than I would have expected. So it seems. 15 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: Like last night was okay good, got all the big 16 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: cries out at like eight nine pm, So okay, two 17 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: three of the morning, we were good, okay, awesome. 18 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: I'm glad you're getting some resk acclimated. If people are 19 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: like big cries, what are you guys talking about. Demand's 20 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: going through a really hard time and he's been emotional lately. No, 21 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: Demondy's got a one month old at home and so 22 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: he's dealing with that. Uh, let's get right to it straight. 23 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: The voicemail brought to you by Boost Mobile. Mike Evans 24 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: is back. I'm gonna go ahead and say he's not 25 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: going to average two hundred and fifteen yards a game 26 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: over the final four. So the thousand yard streak is over. 27 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: Philip Rivers is returning. We will cover that in the 28 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: Gambling Show. And listen the producers saying, are Nick and 29 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: Pablo beefing? 30 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: Again? 31 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: Listen, Nick and Pablo were never beefing. I have also 32 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: never been shy or ambivalent about the fact that maybe 33 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: there is something psychologically wrong with me. But I have 34 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: a list, and it's through no fault of their own, 35 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: of what I consider to be media rivals, which is 36 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: anyone in my field or my field adjacent who is 37 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: my age or younger. And I have said many a 38 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: time that I must vanquish them, and after yesterday, one 39 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: less person to vanquish. Let's get to the Chiefs, sa Bonse, 40 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: go ahead. 41 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: So your Chiefs are almost facing elimination. They are at 42 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: a rough spot. There is a must win against the 43 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 2: Chargers this weekend. They are plus five hundred to make 44 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 2: the playoffs. You said with this game, you would believe 45 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 2: in them. Again, you also had a crazy take about 46 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: this being a must win for the Chargers on your show. 47 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: Did you care to explain both of those? 48 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: Okay, sure, so listen. All plus five hundred doesn't seem 49 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: like as long of a shot as it feels like 50 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: plus five hundred. It feels like the way. And what 51 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: I said about what I would believe in is I 52 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: understand it is irrational, so to speak, but what is 53 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: definitively true is if I know myself and if the 54 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: Chiefs win this weekend, within the Titans on deck, with 55 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: the possibility of a Chargers collapse, I will be just 56 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: when I think I'm out, they pull me back in 57 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: Godfather threes style like that. That is true. It's also 58 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: noteworthy to me that this line is up to I 59 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: think five and a half. The Chiefs, that haven't played 60 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: a good sixty minute four quarter football game in a 61 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: month and a half are a five and a half 62 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: point favorite over the nine and four Los Angeles Chargers, 63 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: and so I will get more to the chief side 64 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: in a second, but I do want to explain what 65 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: I was saying yesterday about this being a must win 66 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: for the Chargers, and I suppose that is a matter 67 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: of perspective. But if your perspective is that the Chargers 68 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: in an AFC that will likely never again be this 69 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: wide open in a playoff field, where Herbert walks into 70 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: it likely as essentially the second most experienced quarterback to 71 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: Josh Allen. In the AFC, well, Aaron Rodgers would be 72 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: the most experienced, But I almost feel like at this point, 73 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: like that circle has come all the way around to 74 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: where his experience works against him because he's so damn old, 75 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: and so let me put it like this, this is 76 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: maybe the better way to put it. In this playoff field, 77 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: Herbert will be one of only three quarterbacks that are 78 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: in the prime of their careers, with it being Josh, 79 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: him and the Prince. Most people believe he's better than 80 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: the Prince. He's obviously older, you know, more experienced than 81 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: the young guys. So in that regard that really works 82 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: in their favor. They are coming on, They are, while 83 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: still dealing with injuries, getting healthier. They just got their 84 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: running back back for their Omari and Hampton, their first 85 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: round pick. When Jim Harbaugh got there, he talked about 86 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: winning multiple Super Bowls, right he talked about this being 87 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: a championship operation. And so if you are looking at 88 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: the Chargers from through the prism of can they for 89 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: the first time since Philip Rivers was there, go on 90 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: a real playoff run, can they for the first time 91 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: since the mid nineteen ninety four potentially make a Super Bowl? 92 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: Then in order for you to believe they have that gear, 93 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: they absolutely must go into Arrowhead and end the chief season. 94 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: This Chiefs team is playing its worst football, is wildly 95 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: banged up, and in fact, I do want I meant 96 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: to check this before. I want to see if they've 97 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: updated it real quick. Yes they have, so the Chiefs 98 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: injury report Trey Smith back, but Juwan Taylor still has 99 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: not practiced. So much like the Chargers, the Chiefs are 100 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: gonna be going potentially going into this game without either 101 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: of their starting tackles or their top backup tackle in 102 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: Wanya Morris. So and the Chargers have the opportunity to 103 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: end the Chiefs officially put them out, and if they don't, 104 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: then I will feel like I know one thing and 105 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: start to be concerned on the Chargers' behalf of another thing. 106 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: The thing I will feel like I know is this 107 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: team doesn't have win three straight playoff games get to 108 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: the super Bowl gear it because I don't think they 109 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: There are parts of that Eagles game that they should 110 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: feel great about, and then there are parts of that 111 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: Eagles game where they should feel very, very fortunate that 112 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts gave it away at the very end. So 113 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: I will feel like, I know, they don't have a 114 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: super Bowl gear. And the thing that I would be 115 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: concerned about Demons if they lose this game is that 116 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: they might be playing in Week eighteen with the playoffs 117 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: on the line. So that is the wrinkle here. The 118 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: wrinkle here is and there's a lot of ifs here. 119 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: This is why it's plus five hundred. But if we 120 00:08:53,800 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: assume the Colts are not going to go I guess 121 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: for the Chargers case, this doesn't really the Cults doesn't 122 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: really matter, but I'm gonna include him anyway. Aren't gonna 123 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: go three and one or better down the stretch, Then 124 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: that final AFC playoff spot likely comes down to Chiefs Chargers. Again. 125 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: If the Chiefs win this weekend, and if they do 126 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: and then we assume Kansas City is going to beat 127 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: Tennessee the following week, then it can start to get 128 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: a little tight for the Chargers because after the Chiefs game, 129 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: they have three straight brutal opponents. They are at the 130 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: Cowboys home for the Texans, and then this is the 131 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: game that I'm focused on at Denver in a game 132 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: that might for the Broncos be win this game and 133 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: you are the one seed Denver, and the Chargers will 134 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: be in a position of if they lose to the 135 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: Chiefs that if again I said, there were gonna be 136 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: a lot of ifs they don't win both of Cowboys Texans. 137 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: If they lose just one of those games, then Week 138 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: eighteen in Denver could be winning. You go to the playoffs, 139 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: lose and the Chiefs take your playoff spot again. That is, 140 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: assuming the Chiefs beat the Titans and Raiders and they 141 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: win a home game against Denver in Week seventeen, that'll 142 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: be very difficult. So that's the for a team that 143 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: I think has as far as its organizational DNA has 144 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: a lot of hitting tight in big spots. Yeah, and 145 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: whose quarterback in the three biggest the two playoff games 146 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: and the one other if you remember when and your 147 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: in Week eighteen game that he's played in has not 148 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: played anything close to his best ball. I'd be a 149 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: little nervous about it. 150 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 2: Go ahead, Yeah, I was about to say, I feel 151 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 2: like the last time he was in that spot, he 152 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: threw like four picks could be. 153 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: The playoff game. The playoff game was four picks. 154 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay the last year. 155 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: So the three there's been one winning you're in and 156 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: two playoff games. The winning you're in was against the 157 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: Raiders in Week eighteen, where he had an eighty passer rating, 158 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: completed fifty three percent of his passes. They lost in overtime, 159 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: and the Raiders, with their interim head coach, went to 160 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: the playoffs. The playoff games were a twenty seven point 161 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: lead late in the first half and then did absolutely 162 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: nothing the entire second half and they lost by a 163 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: point to the Prince. And then last year a one touchdown, 164 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: four interception, forty passer rating playoff game where he completed 165 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: forty four percent of his passes. So the chart flip 166 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: side is Chargers win this weekend and it's all good. 167 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: You essentially lock up a playoff spot, you definitionally knocked 168 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: the Chiefs out of the postseason, and it's good. And 169 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: so that's why this is such a huge game. For 170 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: the Chargers and for Kansas City. We are just gonna 171 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: find out if the three time defind the AFC champs 172 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: have any fight left in them, or if the last 173 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: three years in Lark you know bigger, the last seven 174 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: years have taken a toll and you know this is 175 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: it for the year. It'll be a sad way to 176 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: go out if that's how they go out. But given 177 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: how they've played the last month, I'm not going to 178 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: sit here and project this confidence that there's no chance 179 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: they go out that way. 180 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: Is that game going to have a roof on it? 181 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 2: Is there going to be in a dome? Or is 182 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 2: which game when they play the Chargers? Oh yeah, all right, no, 183 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 2: no, no curious. I mean, if it wasn't a dome, I'm 184 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 2: definitely taking the Chiefs. But it's not a dome, so 185 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 2: I don't know. 186 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no. 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Concerned about 221 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: gambling in Florida, call one eight to eight to eight 222 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: Admit it. In Indiana. If you were someone you know 223 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: as a gambling problem wants help, call one eight hundred 224 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: and nine with it. Gambling problem called one eight hundred 225 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: gambler in Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, or Virginia. 226 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: All right, demanse, let's talk about some quarterbacks. 227 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 2: Let's talk about some slumping quarterbacks. First off, your guy 228 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield's kind of fallen off a cliff since a 229 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: few weeks ago, they are asking if Jalen Hurt should 230 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: be benched after winning a Super Bowl, and Lamar Jackson 231 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 2: as just not Lamar, I'm praying for you. 232 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: Lamar. 233 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: What's your level of concern for each quarterback? First off? 234 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 2: And who do you expect to bounce with a bounce back? 235 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 2: Bounce back? First from. 236 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: Listen. I think Baker will bounce back. But this has 237 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: been a really grizzly stretch for Baker. But I think 238 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: Baker that I don't know if there's a positive or negative, 239 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna, at least in my mind make it 240 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: a positive. With Baker, it's very simple. He's just not 241 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: playing well, and he's had these little peaks and valleys 242 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: in his career. Like now he is dealing with left 243 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: shoulder injury, and so that does make you a little 244 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: concern because that can linger, and it's an injury he's 245 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: dealt with before. But I think Baker will bounce back 246 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: at least enough to where they stabilize they win that division. 247 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: And Baker's been a gamer in the playoffs his whole career. 248 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: So Baker is the one I'm least concerned about Hurts. 249 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,959 Speaker 1: I'm not so much concerned about him demands as I 250 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:42,479 Speaker 1: am just accepting of what I feel like are some 251 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: his pretty obvious limitations, which again, limitations doesn't mean you're 252 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: bad and it limitation. Having limitations does not mean that, uh, 253 00:17:55,600 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: you're not a good quarterback or obviously the guy's the rains. 254 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: You're not good at something, though, is a limitation. 255 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: Right, It means there are It means you are not 256 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: a come complete. Yeah, well you're not excellent at everything. 257 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: Let me put it as kindly as I can. And 258 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: I think what we're seeing and what we saw in 259 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: four K Monday night was Jalen Hurts limitations as a 260 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: hit every quadrant of the field, drop back, passer, or 261 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: glaring and when he is in the situation he's in 262 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: now where it's like, oh, the offensive line went from 263 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: maybe the best in the league to mediocre. The running 264 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: game went from the best in the league to mediocre, 265 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: and we are going to need the quarterback to go 266 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: out there and make plays If Jay Ellen is not 267 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: willing to activate the quarterback driven runs and scrambles. More 268 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: than that, Eagles offense is going to be very, very laborious. 269 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: Everything is going to be hard. And so that is 270 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: to me just the a reality that is not going 271 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: to change. He's not going to get any taller. He's 272 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: not going to all of a sudden become a pinpoint 273 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: intermediate over the middle of the field passer. And you've 274 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: got to find ways to scheme and coach and work 275 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: around that. But I am really concerned about Philadelphia, and 276 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,479 Speaker 1: I am not writing in pen that they are winning 277 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: that division because again, there are some ifs here I understand. 278 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: But if you believe that the Cowboys are going to 279 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: beat the Vikings this weekend, I do beat the Chargers 280 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: in Dallas next weekend, they certainly could, and then win 281 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: at the Commanders. And then if you believe that the Eagles, 282 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: let's just give them the next two wins, that they're 283 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: gonna win against the Raiders and win against the Commanders, 284 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: but then believe they are going to lose to the 285 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. So if the Cowboys go three to zero 286 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: and the Eagles go two and one with a loss 287 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: in Buffalo, then the Eagles will enter Week eighteen facing 288 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: the situation of if Dallas beats the Giants and those 289 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: games would be played simultaneously, the Eagles win the division 290 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: by beating the Commanders, and their season is over by 291 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: losing that game, and this Eagles team that has been 292 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: hanging by a thread emotionally throughout the year, I would 293 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: be very nervous about that that becoming reality. And so 294 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't take some massive swoon for them to be 295 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: facing a winning your end losing your out Week eighteen game. 296 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: It's a somewhat to me likely scenario. So I'd be 297 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 1: worried about that. With all that said, Demonsey, I am 298 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: most worried about what's going on in Baltimore. So Lamar 299 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: didn't practice again yesterday, So that's now five straight weeks 300 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: he's missed at least one day of practice. It was 301 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: not he was not listed as missing practice with an injury. 302 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: It was listed as rest, and Harball was asked about 303 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: it and said, listen, basically, if the player, you gotta 304 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: trust the player, and if the player says he needs it, 305 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: then we're giving him the day. I think it is 306 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: also very fair to say that this I don't even 307 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: know if I want to call it a strategy, but 308 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: this trend of Lamar missing one of the practices in 309 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: the week leading up to a game has not let 310 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: has has shown it sure appears to impact his play. 311 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: He is in the midst of the worst stretch of 312 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: football he's ever played. And this is just a blind theory, Demons, 313 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: But I think Lamar is over Harball, and I think 314 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: Lamar is resigned to a degree to the fate of 315 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: the season. And I think that Lamar is ready for 316 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: the next chapter in Baltimore. And so I don't think 317 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: we're all of a sudden about to see great Lamar. 318 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: I think he'll be better than he's been the last month, 319 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: but I don't think I think Lamar is ready for 320 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 1: the Harball Todd Mounkin mini era and the long Harbaugh 321 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: era to be over. And I think the fact that 322 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: John Harbaugh cannot seem to get a handle on the 323 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: health and practice status of his star quarterback is an ominous, 324 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: ominous sign. So the. 325 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 2: I'm surprised you said it's hard like some of the 326 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 2: stuff that I see going all with Lebron or Lebron Lamar, 327 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 2: it doesn't really seem like a like a Harball problem. 328 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 2: It kind of seems like a Lamar problem. But you're 329 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: you're saying that he might be despondent to him, and 330 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 2: it's just like, yeah. 331 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I just I agree with I think the 332 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: biggest problem right now for Baltimore is their star quarterbacks 333 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: having the worst stretch of his career. But it just 334 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: feels to me like it's more than that right now. 335 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: At play here, do you do you have a Baltimore 336 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: Super Bowl take? 337 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: Well, well, I can feel like it kind of feeds 338 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 2: into sag here, It kind of feeds into the betting 339 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 2: show later. I think it would, you know it would 340 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 2: It would require me to reveal one of my legs. 341 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: Oh okay, so we see I think. 342 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, I'll save it for the next show. Okay, 343 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 2: cause it'll make more sense. 344 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 1: Okay. Uh, here is the glass one tenth full version 345 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: of the Ravens moving forward. They're gonna win just enough 346 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: to win that terrible division. They win the final game 347 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: against Pittsburgh and they get in at nine and eight 348 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: or something, and a Ravens team that has very consistently 349 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: been this regular season juggernaut and then playoff underachiever reverses 350 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 1: it this year where they are a regular season underachiever, 351 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: go into the playoffs with no expectation, with people not 352 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: believing in them, and that is why they end up 353 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: going on a run. Do I believe that is likely. 354 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: Absolutely not do I even know if that is possible? 355 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: Not really, but that would be if I were a 356 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: Ravens fan. That's what I would be trying to convince 357 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: myself is going to happen. All right, let's talk Joe Burrow. 358 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: So we all know Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow's had it 359 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 2: pretty rough over there in Cincinnati. He had a press 360 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 2: conference yesterday and here's what he had to say. 361 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 3: You know, if I want to I want to keep 362 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 3: doing this, I have to have fun doing it. You know, 363 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 3: I've been through a lot and if it's not fun, 364 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 3: then what am I doing it for? 365 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 2: I have the Bengals broken. Joe Burrow. 366 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: You really don't like when your franchise quarterback who's not 367 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: yet turned thirty says if I want to keep doing this, 368 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: that is, if I'm a Bengal fan. That's a five 369 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 1: alarm fire, and it is a shocking It's a shocking 370 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: enough quote. I thought about leading the show with it, 371 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: but I I feel like you guys, when the Chiefs 372 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: are down, want to hear my chiefs pain and cope. 373 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: So I led with the Chiefs. But Joe Burrow, who 374 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: you know, still has what does he have four years 375 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: left on his massive deal. Uh yeah, four years left 376 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: on his five year, two hundred and seventy five million 377 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: dollar contract. Him talking about if I want to keep 378 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: doing this, Uh I, I would be lying if I 379 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: did not say it at least briefly gave me Andrew 380 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: luck vibes of oh man, has this guy just his 381 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 1: body's been through so much. He was so close so 382 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: early and now the team seems to be getting further 383 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: away that he's like, I don't I'm not enjoying this. 384 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 2: Then also seeing his predecessors continuously, you know, make it 385 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 2: to the postseason and battle it out, and he's had 386 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 2: to sit out a couple of them, probably. 387 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: Right, three playoffs in a row. And I also think 388 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: there is the emotional toll of man. My second year 389 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: in the league, I have the ball in my hands 390 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: in the super Bowl with a chance to go win 391 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: it after beating Mahomes. My third year in the league, 392 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: I have the ball in my hands in Arrowhead with 393 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: a chance to go back to the Super Bowl tie game. 394 00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: And really myself above Patrick been in the league three years, 395 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: made back to back Super Bowls. You have it, You've lost. 396 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 2: To me. 397 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: And those two moments those two drives where his blocking 398 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: broke down, by the way on both he got hit 399 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: on the final pass of both seasons. In the Chiefs game, 400 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: he didn't even it wasn't even a final pass. Chris 401 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: Jones just sacked him. The Rams game, Aaron Donald gets 402 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: right to him, but he's He takes the field in 403 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: year two in the Super Bowl saying touchdown, I'm a 404 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: champion forever. He takes the field Year three AFC Championship 405 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: game field goal, I'm back in the Super Bowl and 406 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: I kind of own this Mahomes rivalry. And now we're 407 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: at the end of year six and that was his 408 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: last playoff touch. That's tough. That's like a really and 409 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: the you add to it all of the physical, real 410 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: weird injuries he's dealt with turf tow and the wrist thing, 411 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: and dealing with the different franchise holdouts and contract disputes 412 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: every year and. 413 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 2: See tragic organization. 414 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: Well, yes, and it is. It is why some people said, 415 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: you know, do an l Way or an ELI and 416 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: don't go there. And so you know, people asking what 417 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: would a Joe Burrow trade look like, I mean, as 418 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: I did on TV yesterday, and you know I'll do 419 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: on radio again or on podcast today to quote Mike Meltzer. 420 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: Being in a position where you have to trade prime 421 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is a fold the franchise moment. There is 422 00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: no getting around it. But what would a Joe Burrow 423 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: trade look like? Three first and three second rounders? You're 424 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: first and because you can, you're only allowed to trade 425 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: three picks in the league. The Daniel says, Miles Garrett 426 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: and the Browns picks, they would never listen. I don't 427 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: think they would trade Joe Burrow, but if they were to, 428 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: they certainly wouldn't do it in the division, which is 429 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: a bit of a shame because the Browns have all 430 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,479 Speaker 1: the picks. Like the another team that has, you know, 431 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: the team that could trade you four first round picks 432 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: other than the Browns is the Rams because they have 433 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: two picks in this upcoming draft. But and that would 434 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: be a really interesting one if the Rams did bleep 435 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: them picks again. But that would only make sense if 436 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: Stafford were retiring after this year, you know what I mean, Like, 437 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: they wouldn't they You couldn't roster Stafford and Burrow to 438 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: be like, hey, Burrow's gonna sit a year and then 439 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: take over. So the timing of that wouldn't work. But 440 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: this is if I'm a Bengals fan, I am terrified 441 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: of that press conference, terrified of it. And we've seen 442 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: guys walk away. We haven't the only you're way too 443 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: young to remember this, Demante, but the only. And he 444 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: wasn't quite a star at this point in his career, 445 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: but he So I'm just gonna I'm gonna tell this 446 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: story in a different way. Once upon a time, and wow, 447 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: I didn't even think about this. Great job Nick for 448 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: putting this together in real time. Once upon a time, 449 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: there was a number one overall pick quarterback who after 450 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: seven eight years in the league with some it wasn't us. 451 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: He was not Joe Burrows level, don't get me wrong, 452 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: but one year he led the league in touchdown passes, 453 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: finished top five in MVP voting. It was actually his 454 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: second years, probably his high water mark. Went to the 455 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: playoffs a couple times, had disappointing postseason defeats, and one 456 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: of the postseasons suffered a catastrophic injury on right when 457 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: the first playoff game started. Essentially, that player, right after 458 00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: he turned thirty, woke up one morning and said I'm 459 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: either retiring or you're trading me, but I am not 460 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: taking another snap for this franchise. And that number one 461 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: pick quarterback his name was Carson Palmer and demons. I'll 462 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: give you one guess. What franchise do you think he 463 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: played for? 464 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:24,760 Speaker 2: The Chiefs? 465 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,919 Speaker 1: Oh Man, you blew that. That's the worst job you've 466 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: done in a long. 467 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 2: Time, Carson Palmer? No, what did Carson Palmers? 468 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: I'm talking about Joe Burrow and the dysfunctional Bengals. And 469 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: I gave this whole story, So I'm gonna let you 470 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: have another try. What team the Bangs? A good job? 471 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: That was? That was I was really trying to set 472 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: I know this happened literally when you were a top 473 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: this small child, but I thought I. 474 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 2: Gave you enough context it Yeah. 475 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: The uh, it was the Bengals. And so the only 476 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: other guy like and I'm Joe has not demanded a trade. 477 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he has, but. 478 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 2: Sounds like he's closer to demanding a trade than not 479 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 2: demanding a trade at some point. 480 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 1: Or walking away. Yeah, so I tough spot man. Are 481 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: you thinking about upgrading to the all new iPhone seventeen 482 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: Pro designed to be the most powerful iPhone ever, but 483 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: you're also thinking about the traffic on your way to 484 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: the store or transferring all your data. 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Terms do apply, 491 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 1: all Right, Before we get to some of the other 492 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: NFL stuff, let's discuss some of the NBA Cup and 493 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,800 Speaker 1: Lakers and basketball stuff. 494 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 2: So last night, your Lakers got knocked out of the 495 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 2: NBA Cup by Wimby Liss Spurs. This is coming right 496 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 2: after Rich Paul said that the Lakers aren't even a 497 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 2: Western Conference finals team. Oh what how should Lakers? How 498 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 2: should Lakers fans feel? Like? Right field? Right now? 499 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: First of all, I haven't listened to the pod yet, 500 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: but I'm being told Rich was just firing off takes, 501 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: including advocating for I think Lamar to be traded, advocating 502 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: for my homes to be traded to the Cowboys, and 503 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: then throwing in that, yeah, the Lakers don't have enough. 504 00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: And here's the thing about what Rich said and last 505 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: night's game, because they're kind of tied together. First of all, 506 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 1: it needs to be noted Rich. People are talking about 507 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 1: what Rich said as if Rich has one client, Lebron James. 508 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: It's like, wow, Lebron's agent says the Lakers don't have enough. 509 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: Rich has fifty clients all over the league. Lebron is 510 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: obviously the most prominent, obviously the most noteworthy, and Lebron 511 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,399 Speaker 1: and Rich founded that agency together. But it is one 512 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: could argue that, you know Rich Anthony Davis not one 513 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,399 Speaker 1: could argue he is Anthony Davis is a client. Tyrese Max, 514 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: He's a client like Rich has clients all over the place, right, 515 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: And if he's gonna do this pod, he's always gonna 516 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: be given takes about teams that you know his clients 517 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 1: are on. It's why this is gonna be so fastating 518 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: to see. And I really like Max Kellerman a lot, 519 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: and so I think it'll, you know, good for them 520 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: on that venture, and good for them for making waves 521 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: with the first episode. Furthermore, I understand people might not 522 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: like hearing it, or might not like who the messenger was, 523 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: But does anyone actually disagree with Rich's message that right 524 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: now the Lakers are not a championship caliber team. Now, 525 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: maybe that's more about that no one is because the 526 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Thunder exists, who, by the way, won their 527 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: NBA Cup game last night by fifty and the the 528 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: biggest to me, the most disappointing part of the Lakers 529 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: losing that game was I would have liked to see 530 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: how the Lakers stack up against a fully healthy Thunder 531 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 1: team in a as meaningful of a regular season game 532 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: as you're gonna get the NBA Cup semifinals, But instead 533 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: they lost to a Wimby liss Spurs, which speaks additionally 534 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 1: to I think Rich's overall point, which again I disagree 535 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: that the Lakers are not Western Conference Finals caliber like 536 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 1: I do think if they got the right draw and 537 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 1: if they're healthy, they could make the conference finals if 538 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: they're on the opposite side of the bracket of the Thunder, 539 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: which means they're the two or the three seed. But 540 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,319 Speaker 1: when you see the Spurs are now have the same 541 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: record as the Lakers at seventeen and seven, and Wimby 542 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: hasn't played in nearly a month, you do start to 543 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 1: be get concerned about well, how how even if you 544 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 1: set Oklahoma City aside, where do the Lakers stack up 545 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: in the West, Like Denver is outstanding, Houston unbelievably as 546 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: the best offense in the league, and the Spurs are 547 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: have won seven of ten and their young guards are 548 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 1: playing out of their mind. And Wimby at some point 549 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 1: is coming back. So people can dislike what Rich said, 550 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: but I because of who the messenger is, But I 551 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: don't think the message is totally incorrect. Now, evidently Wimby 552 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: could return this weekend, which maybe gives us a chet 553 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,479 Speaker 1: Wimby game in the NBA Cup semi finals, which should 554 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: be sick. I would imagine when Wimby comes back, he's 555 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: gonna be on a minute's restriction and we're going to 556 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,399 Speaker 1: be very cautious with him. Let's talk a little more 557 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: NBA Cup demons real quick. 558 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,320 Speaker 2: So the Knicks and the Magic are coming out the 559 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 2: East and the Thunder and the Spurs coming out the West, 560 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 2: like you just discussed, and they just they did win that. 561 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,240 Speaker 2: It came by nearly fifty and their minus two fifty 562 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 2: to win the whole thing. If they steam all the 563 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 2: tournaments of the league, back it up and just come 564 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 2: again next year. 565 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:32,439 Speaker 1: I listen the Thunder in their current forum right now, 566 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,919 Speaker 1: look head and shoulders better than absolutely everyone, and it's 567 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: not close. It's very hard to repeat. No one's done 568 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: it since the Kadi's Steph clay Draymond Warriors, and no 569 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: one's come close to doing it since then. Nobody's made 570 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: the finals to defend their title, and I don't think 571 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: anyone's made the conference finals the year they were defending 572 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: their title since the Katie Steph Warriors. But it feels 573 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 1: like it would take uh act of God for this 574 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:18,399 Speaker 1: Oklahoma City team to not make the conference finals. And 575 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: it would take a legendary, legendary Nikolajokic or Luka Doncic 576 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 1: or And this is where you worry about the Rockets 577 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 1: a bit, because they don't have one of those super 578 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: villain guys that can just you know, put a team 579 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: on his back over the course of an entire one 580 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 1: round against a super team. I don't want there to 581 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: be no drama or suspense or stakes to this NBA season, 582 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,840 Speaker 1: But right now, Oklahoma City looks like one of the 583 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:05,360 Speaker 1: greatest teams ever. There is no way around that. And 584 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: I told you guys a month ago that getting them 585 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 1: at sixteen to one to break the Warriors wins record. 586 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: I liked that bet, and now God only knows what 587 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 1: it is. It's probably like five to one, and at 588 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: that time you could still get plus like three point 589 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,359 Speaker 1: fifty on them hitting seventy wins. At this point, I'd 590 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,800 Speaker 1: be shocked if they don't win seventy because their depth 591 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,880 Speaker 1: makes them they basically can deal with an injury to 592 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,440 Speaker 1: anyone on the roster other than Shay and be totally fine. 593 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,799 Speaker 1: They you know, they started this season without Jadubb, They've 594 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 1: had different guys out, and none of it matters. I'd 595 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: love to see Winby back and see what Winby can 596 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,280 Speaker 1: do against them in the NBA Cup, but I onlyink 597 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,840 Speaker 1: that'll really be a fair test of it because it's 598 00:43:58,560 --> 00:43:59,799 Speaker 1: it would be Wimby's first game. 599 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 2: Bet. 600 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk a little more football before we 601 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:02,319 Speaker 1: move on. 602 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 2: New England upset Buffalo back in October, and now Vegas 603 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,760 Speaker 2: doesn't know who should be favored in this next matchup. 604 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 2: It's flip flop back and forth. Who do you think 605 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,279 Speaker 2: should be favored in this Bill's New England game? 606 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 1: Listen. I think, and we'll talk about this more in 607 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,359 Speaker 1: the Pick Show. I think the Bills are gonna win. 608 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 1: And part of that's because I think that the Bills, 609 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:36,840 Speaker 1: like the the Bills can't let the Patriots this quickly 610 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: elbow them off their corner like the Patriots cannot. And 611 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 1: I understand this isn't like deep analysis, but it is 612 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:53,839 Speaker 1: just how I feel. The Bills cannot allow the Patriots 613 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,880 Speaker 1: to become the true class of the AFC East before 614 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 1: the Bills make a Super Bowl with Josh Allen. That 615 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: would be a catastrophe, and so I just don't. I 616 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 1: I also think that Josh just played a ten out 617 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,879 Speaker 1: of ten game against Senci. I do think, by the way, 618 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 1: the Patriots are gonna win the division. Don't get me wrong, 619 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:26,520 Speaker 1: Like I think the Patriots are going to hold on 620 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 1: to their divisional lead and win the division. But I 621 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:39,759 Speaker 1: don't man the this would be a disaster in Buffalo 622 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: if before they actually have a like play for a championship, 623 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 1: New England becomes like the preseason favorites in the AFC East, 624 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 1: which if they sweep them this year and have a 625 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 1: more a sturdy playoff run than Buffalo, then they definitely 626 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 1: will be. 627 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,840 Speaker 2: Would just be really sad. It's like, oh, Patrick mahomes 628 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 2: the Bookieyman and the Bookiyman. Drake May comes in. Drake 629 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,880 Speaker 2: May is the reason if you will. Who do you 630 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,920 Speaker 2: think will be the best quarterback in the AFC in 631 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,799 Speaker 2: five years. 632 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:29,640 Speaker 1: In the AFC East, five years from now, five years 633 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 1: from now. Drake. I think that, Uh, it's not like 634 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,239 Speaker 1: Josh's well, I don't know. Listen. I think Drake and 635 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,400 Speaker 1: Josh is going to be an awesome divisional quarterback rival. 636 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,960 Speaker 2: Drake and Josh is in there. That's crazy. I didn't realize. 637 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, is that one of your shows? 638 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, man, that was like one of my favorites 639 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,360 Speaker 2: back I think it was Nickelodeon, But yeah, Drake and. 640 00:46:53,360 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 1: Joh Yeah, and listen, I I get a little annoyed 641 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,640 Speaker 1: with some of the Patriots stuff because of Wilds, But 642 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 1: I think Drake May is awesome. I think he's awesome. 643 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:13,200 Speaker 1: And you know, Josh Allen is an all time great already, 644 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 1: so Drake May could be a perennial MVP candidate and 645 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 1: not necessarily better than Josh Allen. But they to me, 646 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,279 Speaker 1: what Josh has to deal with over the rest of 647 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 1: the prime of his career with Drake May is so 648 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,719 Speaker 1: much tougher than what Patrick is gonna have to deal 649 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,879 Speaker 1: with with bow Nicks or even Herbert. Like I think 650 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,640 Speaker 1: Drake May already is better than Herbert, and I think 651 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:49,120 Speaker 1: Drake May is already a top five quarterback. All right, 652 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,960 Speaker 1: let's talk a little Lions Rams quickly before we get 653 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 1: to our gambling show for tomorrow. 654 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 2: So the Rams are at the top of the NFC. 655 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,440 Speaker 2: You've got a lot of faith in them there at 656 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 2: the top of your tears. They got Detroit this week, 657 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 2: though it's a big test. Who could make a bigger 658 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:04,560 Speaker 2: statement with a win in this game? 659 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: Well, listen, this game is wildly important for both teams, 660 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 1: and it's wildly important for both teams in this regard. 661 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,960 Speaker 1: Like the Rams have just been rolling and killing people. 662 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 1: I know they lost two weeks ago, but that feels 663 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,359 Speaker 1: like a bit of a blip. But because of that 664 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,560 Speaker 1: lost two weeks ago, if they were to lose this game, 665 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,799 Speaker 1: the chances of them going from pretty clearly the best 666 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,800 Speaker 1: team in the conference all year long to the five 667 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,719 Speaker 1: seed because Seattle catches them becomes very real. And so 668 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,000 Speaker 1: it's important for the Rams in that regard. It's important 669 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 1: for Detroit because Detroit has extra rest, is coming off 670 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 1: maybe their best game and best win of the season, 671 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,440 Speaker 1: and they are fighting for their playoff lives, and so 672 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 1: I expect the Rams to win this game. And if 673 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:07,240 Speaker 1: the Rams do win this game, then all of a sudden, 674 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,320 Speaker 1: we're right back to where we've been with Detroit, which 675 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:17,120 Speaker 1: has gone win loss, win, lost to Monsey dating back 676 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:22,080 Speaker 1: to week five. They beat the Bengals, lost to the Chiefs, 677 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,040 Speaker 1: beat the Bucks, lost to the Vikings, beat the Commanders, 678 00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,080 Speaker 1: lost to the Eagles, beat the Giants, lost to the Backers, 679 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,319 Speaker 1: beat the Cowboys, and now they play the Rams. And 680 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,319 Speaker 1: that's no way to make the postseason. And and I 681 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,359 Speaker 1: like the Rams in this spot? Do I like them 682 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: enough to lay the six points that will find out 683 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,160 Speaker 1: on the Gambling Show tomorrow, which Demonsey and I are 684 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,360 Speaker 1: about to record right now. So thank you to everybody. 685 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,479 Speaker 1: Reminder I didn't ask guys do this off the top. 686 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,920 Speaker 1: I was too busy basking in my Did I just 687 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,319 Speaker 1: lose connection? Are am I back? Are you guys with me? 688 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,600 Speaker 1: Maybe they perfect the pod? They they knew we were 689 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,680 Speaker 1: taking a break. They were like, our internet's gonna freeze up, 690 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,960 Speaker 1: like rate, subscribe, review everybody, if you would please, it 691 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,279 Speaker 1: greatly helps us. I didn't ask you that off the top. 692 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,120 Speaker 1: I will ask you that right now. Our red Hot 693 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,440 Speaker 1: I mean just Winners After Winners Gambling Show comes to 694 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,560 Speaker 1: you this time tomorrow. We will see you guys. 695 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:22,799 Speaker 2: Then. 696 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,359 Speaker 1: Thank you to Blue Duck in the volume. Thank you, 697 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,919 Speaker 1: of course to boost hard rock and our friends at Zen. 698 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,680 Speaker 1: Talk to you guys tomorrow for the week fifteen, Oh 699 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,080 Speaker 1: my goodness, Week fifteen Gambling Show