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Speaker 1: Brought to you by the Reinvented two thousand twelve Camray.

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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff Mom never told you?

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Speaker 1: From House Towards dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is Molly and I'm Kristen and Kristen. One thing

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Speaker 1: I love about doing this podcast with you is that

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Speaker 1: we are constantly learning little backtoys about ourselves that sometimes

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Speaker 1: we have in common. Despite the fact that you were

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Speaker 1: homeschooled and I went to regular school, Hey, that doesn't

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Speaker 1: make me that much different, Molly. I'm just saying, despite

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Speaker 1: our different backgrounds, despite me being a weirdo and you

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Speaker 1: being normal, there is common ground. There's common ground. And

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Speaker 1: today I found just an enchanting thing that Kristen I

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Speaker 1: have in common, which is that we both had when

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Speaker 1: we were younger. The Princess Diana paper dolls. Yes, wedding edition. Yes.

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Speaker 1: My favorite dress on the Princess Diana one an edition

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Speaker 1: paper dolls was, of course, her enormous gaudy wedding dress

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Speaker 1: and the bouquet. Yeah. Yeah, So, I mean we were

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Speaker 1: talking about our our Princess Diana paper dolls this morning,

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Speaker 1: because we're going to talk about wedding dresses and in preparation,

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Speaker 1: basically I just sat on Google and google pretty wedding

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Speaker 1: dresses all morning long. Google image. Yeah, it's not a

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Speaker 1: bad way to spend a morning. It's actually that's not

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Speaker 1: actually all the research I did. But it's very um

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Speaker 1: fitting that we talked about Princess Diana because a lot

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Speaker 1: of our conceptions of wedding dresses are due to the

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Speaker 1: royal family. Yes, when we think about the traditionally you know,

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Speaker 1: white wedding dress. Um, at least in my mind before

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Speaker 1: I started doing this research, Molly, I just assumed that

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Speaker 1: brides were white as the symbol of purity and you know,

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Speaker 1: virgin bride, all of that stuff. But we actually have

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Speaker 1: Queen Victoria's thank for um just liking the color white

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Speaker 1: and being a little bit of a trend setter when

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Speaker 1: she was married in February eighteen forty. It's um thought

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Speaker 1: of the marker of when women first really started wearing

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Speaker 1: the white bridal gown. Yeah, at the time, I think

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Speaker 1: the dress was considered fairly plain, despite the fact that

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Speaker 1: by all accounts that it was gigantic. But up until

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Speaker 1: that day, if you were a royal, you were getting

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Speaker 1: married and like um, silk satin for the most expensive velvet.

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Speaker 1: Everything had silver thread and it was very r Nate. Um,

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Speaker 1: I was reading that Actually the brides had to get

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Speaker 1: all their finery that you know, brides had to work

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Speaker 1: pretty hard to like keep up. But you know, the

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Speaker 1: poor common people who were not royals just pretty much

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Speaker 1: more whatever color they wanted. Yeah, they have to wear

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Speaker 1: their Sunday finest, maybe a special holiday dress or something.

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Speaker 1: They didn't have money to go out and get some

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Speaker 1: custom made wedding gown, particularly not a white one, because

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Speaker 1: you know who wears a white dress around other than

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Speaker 1: attendees at the puff Daddy white party. It's not after

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Speaker 1: a labor day, Molly. So, I mean before Queen Victoria,

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Speaker 1: you would wear you know, a gray wedding dress, blue

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Speaker 1: wedding dress, pastels. There was no rule. And then Queen

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Speaker 1: Victoria comes along and where's um. This white dress with

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Speaker 1: orange blossom wreath headdress sounds really pretty. I like it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but Molly, the very first wedding gown, if we're talking

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Speaker 1: about the history of wedding dresses goes back to fourteen

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Speaker 1: oh six with the marriage of Philippa, the daughter of

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Speaker 1: blamed out wedding gowns that you were talking about. She

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Speaker 1: was covered in velvet and silk sum. For it sounds

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Speaker 1: a little overdone, but whatever, you know, it was six.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're a princess, can't really anything be overdone,

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Speaker 1: I'd argue not no um. But back then, blue not white,

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Speaker 1: something in common. Yes, the symbolism of white in weddings

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Speaker 1: white to symbolize joy, and then Roman brides would wear

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Speaker 1: association with white. It didn't didn't just have to do

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Speaker 1: Victoria set this trend of a big white, poofy dress,

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Speaker 1: you imagine what if that had set a trend and

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Speaker 1: best time I go to weddings. But anyway, the cake

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Speaker 1: I mean her her daughters got married like that, and

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Speaker 1: the wealthy got married like that. But you know, for

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Speaker 1: out of vogue and you really only wear your wedding

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Speaker 1: gown on on your special day, right, and a special

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Speaker 1: day did count I read as meeting Queen Victoria. She

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Speaker 1: Really odd. Yeah, she wasn't vain at all. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: let's keep going in the Victorian society. Um. And if

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Speaker 1: And once they could alter them, you know, you could

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Speaker 1: still pick any color. People were getting married in all

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Speaker 1: sorts of colors, white included. In the United States. On

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Speaker 1: the other hand, across the pond, as they say, UM,

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Speaker 1: white did catch on a little bit quicker, but it

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Speaker 1: white is not this cherished sacred color. No, it's just

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Speaker 1: the symbol of joy. So moving on in the American

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Speaker 1: history of of wedding dresses during the Depression, UM, it's

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Speaker 1: kind of interesting that this idea of wedding dress becomes

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Speaker 1: more of a luxury item, renamed the bridal gown. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's the first time we see that term use. And

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Speaker 1: this is despite the fact that, as Kristen says, the

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Speaker 1: I mean, you think about like a seventies wedding, you'd

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Speaker 1: wear to go shopping wherever you wore your minis. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: have really been fashionable, not wedding appropriate parachute pants. But

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Speaker 1: and like your skirt with like float. I'm imagining your

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Speaker 1: wedding right now, Molly, and I want an invitation, okay, um,

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Speaker 1: so anyway, keep moving on now. I can't focus because

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about my parachute extreme bungee jumping wedding. Well today, Molly.

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Speaker 1: The average cost of a gown parachute or not dollars.

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Speaker 1: obviously you can find cheaper gowns. You can go way

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Speaker 1: Many times and then this whole idea of the wedding

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Speaker 1: on with their wedding gowns. They typically wear red, bright

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Speaker 1: red and yellow wedding gowns, which I love because that's

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Speaker 1: their symbol of good luck, right, and you get lots

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Speaker 1: of intricate embroidery with a dragon and a phoenix and

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Speaker 1: this detail I also loved. Um, you know, maybe you

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Speaker 1: can't pick between like two dresses, you look great in both.

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Speaker 1: In China, Chinese brides by as many dresses as their

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Speaker 1: budgets allow. It's a way to show wealth costume changes

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Speaker 1: not a bad idea. And then in Morocco, um you

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Speaker 1: is odd. I mean, this is how you know things

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Speaker 1: get convoluted. I was finding this poem about which colors

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Speaker 1: these are good colors for our wedding, this poem that

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Speaker 1: I'm going to read that's just become part of like

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Speaker 1: bridal folklore, says that these colors are actually wrong. Are

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Speaker 1: you ready for a little poetry reading? Please do? Married

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Speaker 1: and white you have chosen all right, married and green.

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Speaker 1: Ashamed to be seen married and red, you will wish

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Speaker 1: He'll think, oh, so pink bread, so adorable, not bad.

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