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Speaker 1: Today we have a very special guest. Okay, she is magical,

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Speaker 1: she's intuitive, she's impactful, and so much more. I truly

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Speaker 1: believe that this conversation is something you may not know

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Speaker 1: you need, so I'd encourage you to vibe with us

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Speaker 1: and stay until the end of the episode if you

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Speaker 1: feel called to do so. Anita Copax is an award

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Speaker 1: winning writer and spiritual advisor based in New York City.

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Speaker 1: Formerly the editor in chief of Heart and Soul Magazine

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Speaker 1: and managing editor of Beauty Since Magazine. Anita is also

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Speaker 1: the author of Shallow Waters and The Wind on Her Tongue.

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Speaker 1: Her work weaves together things of African diasporic spirituality, healing,

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Speaker 1: and cultural exploration. When not writing, Anita enjoys dancing and

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Speaker 1: traveling the world with her children. Anita, welcome to cultivating

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Speaker 1: her space.

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Speaker 2: Yay, I'm so excited to be here today and talk

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Speaker 2: about African spirituality and my books, all my favorite things.

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Speaker 2: So thank you so much for creating the space for

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Speaker 2: me to be here.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we are so looking forward to this conversation. And

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Speaker 3: so I am going to give us the quote of

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Speaker 3: the day, which Anita will sound familiar to you because

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Speaker 3: we pulled this from your Instagram page, which, lady, as

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Speaker 3: you're listening, if you have not checked out Anita's Instagram page,

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Speaker 3: you are missing out because it is full of inspirational quotes,

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Speaker 3: fun videos, and lots of tips to help you navigate

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Speaker 3: your overall spiritual well being. So our quote of the day.

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Speaker 3: No one is supposed to understand your calling. It wasn't

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Speaker 3: a conference call. I'm gonna say that one more time

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Speaker 3: for the folks in the back to make sure you

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Speaker 3: heard this. No one is supposed to understand your calling.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't a conference call.

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Speaker 2: Oh Asha, all right, I have chills already, missus starting

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so Anito, when you think of this quote

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Speaker 3: and you think of your journey, what comes up for you?

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Speaker 2: So a lot comes up for me because, especially with

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Speaker 2: writing my books that I do write, it's so interesting

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Speaker 2: I know how to create that space for me and

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Speaker 2: I would have really understood this quote when I was younger, right,

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Speaker 1: Oh Anita, that is so good. And then let me

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Speaker 1: So this is so timely. When you're in that stage

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Speaker 2: They're Like basically it feels like for me, there are

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Speaker 2: go to those people, right because they're going to know

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Speaker 2: how to hold space for you. They're going to know

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Speaker 2: And it's not like people do it on purpose, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's hilarious because I will say, only positive feedback please

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Speaker 2: when I'm in my infancy stage, right, especially if I'm

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Speaker 2: So I'm not opposed to, you know, having some good

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that acknowledgement on like what being able to

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Speaker 3: I want to take us back a little bit to

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Speaker 3: understand your origin store, because I'm assuming that you weren't

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Speaker 4: Yes, I love that question.

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Speaker 2: I was actually just thinking about little Anita, and my

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Speaker 2: so many stages of Anita. I'm a Gemini, so there's

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Speaker 2: so many different parts of me, but young Anita. I

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Speaker 2: And I realized now how important that was for my storytelling,

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Speaker 2: because when I describe things, because I was so observant

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Speaker 2: I understood so many people's different personalities. I understood all

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Speaker 2: of the sounds that a car makes when it's turning

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Speaker 2: I've always seen ghosts. And one thing that I realized

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Speaker 2: have seen Harriet Tubman actually have a picture of it,

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Speaker 2: which I'll sent to you all.

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Speaker 1: Out yes please, oh my goodness.

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Speaker 4: And you know Harriet ended up being in my books.

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Speaker 3: So I.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know. I can't say exactly.

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Speaker 2: What it is. I just know that that I am

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Speaker 2: a sensitive being in all ways and you know, in

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Speaker 1: Wow, so fascinating. I'm definitely into the wu Wu stuff.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, come on in. We've talked about a

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Speaker 1: excited to dive into this. And before we talk about

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Speaker 1: the wind on her Tongue, can you give us a

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Speaker 2: And old Mare is the is the god. And then

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Speaker 4: Absolutely? So.

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Speaker 4: Right like I would you know? It didn't make sense

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Speaker 2: learned about Yameya and O'shoon. And then Love Jones had

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Speaker 1: It is. It's an interesting history, and it can be

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Speaker 2: So voodoo is one of the African traditional Voodoo is

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Speaker 4: And then there's also hodoo, which, as you know.

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Speaker 2: It's not necessarily about spirit worship. So there's a lot

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Speaker 4: So there's a lot of different things like that in

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Speaker 2: So they're you know, they're I mean an abundance of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and that's on purpose. That is on purpose.

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Speaker 2: This is all by design, right, And I think one

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Speaker 3: Yes, we are.

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Speaker 4: And I feel as though.

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Speaker 2: But my mom told me. So when I was around eighteen,

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Speaker 4: And thank god I was.

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Speaker 2: I know you don't know where your wife and kids are.

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00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 4: And he grabbed me. He was like, where are they? Well?

440
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I just heard you saying that,

441
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 2: and he's like, I didn't say that, and so like

442
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: that was the last one because he grabbed me and

443
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 2: I ran home. I ran upstairs and I just started praying.

444
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: I was like, God, if this is supposed to be

445
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: a gift, I don't want it. I don't know what

446
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: it's going on. I feel like I'm going crazy. And

447
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: so that night I had a dream that I was

448
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: throwing stones and reading them, and so I was like ooh,

449
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: And so I started practicing on people.

450
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 4: I asked people. I was like, would you be open.

451
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 2: I already had a bag of stones because I've always

452
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: correct collected crystals ever since I was little, and so

453
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 2: I started practicing, and I completely understood everything the stones

454
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 2: were saying. So and I had no idea that I

455
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 2: come from a people who throw stones shells right like

456
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: objects in nature to read for people. I didn't know

457
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: any of that of my history. I didn't know where

458
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: my people were from in that way, and So that

459
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: was how I would say I really connected with my intuition.

460
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: But I did have fear because people will call me

461
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 2: a demon. You know, like this was at a time

462
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: when people were not doing reading. This is like over

463
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: twenty years ago where they were not doing People were

464
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: doing it, but it wasn't like out in the open,

465
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: and you know it's not It wasn't like I'm gonna

466
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: do it on Instagram, right, like yeah like that. And

467
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: so I got scared because I was like, well, I'm

468
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: knowing things. I'm knowing things before they happen, and I

469
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: just felt like it wasn't of the Bible. And so

470
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: I asked my mom and all she said to me was, honey,

471
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: everything that comes out of you is God, which I

472
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: wouldn't have thought that's what she would say to me. Right,

473
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: It was exactly what I needed to hear. And you know,

474
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: so I was able to develop in the develop those

475
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: skills in the way that I could because I didn't

476
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: have a mentor. Right, there was a point where I

477
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: looked in the Yellow Pages.

478
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 4: Some people might not know, Oh my goodness.

479
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: Yes, I love that.

480
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: I looked at the Yellow Pages to find like a

481
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: palm reader.

482
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 4: I don't read poems.

483
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: But I was like, I don't know any I don't

484
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: know what this is that I'm doing, and I didn't

485
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: have any guidance, and so.

486
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: I didn't do that.

487
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 4: Though I didn't end up like shit doing that, but

488
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 4: I did look because I was like what do I do?

489
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: But eventually I ended up doing my master's in spiritual

490
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 2: psychology so that I could have tools of psychology to

491
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: help people with you know, what I was feeling and

492
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: seeing coming through. But I use all of that in

493
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: my writing. So with my books, they are so layered.

494
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: It's not just about the words that are on the page.

495
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: It's layered. It is medicine. There are so many different

496
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: things that are weaved together. And to me, I feel

497
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: like it's a gift that the Orisha are giving me

498
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: right giving me these stories.

499
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: Oh, I want to ask about your writing process for

500
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: your lovely new book, The Wind on Our Tongue. But

501
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: before you answer that question, Anita, can you share when

502
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: you hear when you would hear those voices? You know,

503
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: how we have our thoughts? Did it sound like you?

504
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: Was it in your voice or was it in someone

505
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: else's voice? When it came through like you were channeling it.

506
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: It felt like it was in someone else's voice, but

507
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: it didn't feel like it didn't feel like like, oh,

508
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: if I passed by a man, it would be in

509
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: a man's voice. It just felt like it was a

510
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: difference voice. It wasn't a man voice. It was just

511
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to explain what it was,

512
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: because especially because now the way I see now is

513
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: it's not auditory anymore. I don't hear I see pictures,

514
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: and so as I'm because i still do readings. I've

515
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 2: been doing readings for over twenty years now, and so

516
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: when I do them, I am shown images and then

517
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: I translate the images. But because it's almost like a

518
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: language that I've spoken for twenty years, I'm able to

519
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: translate it in a way.

520
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 4: Whereas before they would keep showing me so say, they

521
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 4: would show me an ocean, and I'd be like, Okay,

522
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 4: there's an ocean, you know, is it a turbulent ocean?

523
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: You know?

524
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: Like like in the beginning, I had to guess, keep

525
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: guessing what it meant until I got it, and then

526
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: they'd twitch the image. Now, because I've practiced the language

527
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: for so long, I usually understand what it means sometimes

528
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: I do a little bit of guessing, but I usually understand.

529
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: It is so fascinating. And then Anita, back to your book.

530
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: I know you talked a bit about the writing process

531
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: for your first book and how that was given to you,

532
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: like it was like, hey, sit down, write the story.

533
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: What was your writing process like for this book and

534
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,239
Speaker 1: how did it come to you as far as what

535
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: you were going to be writing about.

536
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 4: Yes, so that both processes were so different.

537
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: So yamey yeah, the the energy of yam yeahs like

538
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: mother right, like I said, mother of fishes, and I

539
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: felt like she was a beast. She was loving, but

540
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: she was a beast and it was hard. I was

541
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: learning all kinds of hard life lessons to understand the

542
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: words and stories that needed to go into the story.

543
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: And it took me seven years to write Shallah Waters.

544
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: And that includes two years of writer's block, which I

545
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: put into the process because I learned so much about

546
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: about myself, right, so I always keep it in the process.

547
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 4: But it was a long process, right to write the book.

548
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: Now, oh yeah, feels like she's a homegirl, right, like

549
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 2: think she would be on here talking with us, And

550
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: so it was a different process and this took I

551
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: had six months to write it.

552
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 4: That's that's how long they gave me.

553
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: And of course I did three months of not writing

554
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: and I wrote it in three months.

555
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: But in.

556
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: The three months of not writing, I was writing in

557
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: my head right, Like I was figuring out the story.

558
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: And I don't usually write with an outline, but because

559
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: I did do a book proposal for this book, I

560
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: did have somewhat of an outline. I didn't completely stick

561
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 2: to it, but so this process was with an outline.

562
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: But usually I just write and whatever comes through because

563
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: it feels as though the characters are telling me what

564
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 2: is happening.

565
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: So wow, six months, okay, six months.

566
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 4: Three months, three months the actual three months of writing,

567
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 4: but no, but six months because I was writing in my.

568
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 3: Head, you were writing in your yeah.

569
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 4: And so.

570
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 3: When you think about these two books, and like other

571
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: pieces of your career beforehand, right, how did you incorporate

572
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 3: pieces of you into Because you said you said that

573
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 3: for your first book you had that case of writers blocking,

574
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 3: you incorporated that into the book itself. But what does

575
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 3: that really look like in terms of how you bring

576
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: you into the book, Like is it we see do

577
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 3: we see it through one of the characters. Right, question, Yeah,

578
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 3: I love that question.

579
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: So my mom just finished it like a couple of

580
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: weeks ago, right, and she was like, I feel like

581
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: you're writing my story and the story is not her story,

582
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: you know, like it's not her story. So I was like, really,

583
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: how how did you feel that? And then I realized

584
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 2: because my mom is a storyteller. So growing up she

585
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: told me all of the things she's So her family's

586
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: from Saint Kitts in the Caribbean, and so she was

587
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 2: telling me, like we said, right, they're Christian, but right,

588
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: they were still practicing different things.

589
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 4: And so she always told me those magical stories.

590
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: And so I realize, like, those things are in this book,

591
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: and so she's reading it like, oh my gosh, this

592
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: is what I experienced when I was younger.

593
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 4: So it felt like her story.

594
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: So I feel like that is the part of me

595
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: that it's in there, right, like the things that I've

596
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: learned just by listening to my mom's stories, by listening

597
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: to my cousins stories, my grandmother's stories, And so I

598
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 2: feel like that is.

599
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 4: One of the big ways that I'm in the book.

600
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: For Shallow Waters, I felt very connected to Yamiyah, I

601
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: felt like a lot of like we were very enmeshed,

602
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 2: like a lot of I was.

603
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 4: She was in me and I was in her.

604
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: And so with Oya, like I said, it felt a

605
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 2: lot more gentle.

606
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 4: Even though she's of the storm, right, she's fierce.

607
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: She is an unbeatable warrior, which means you could never

608
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: defeat her. So if you're ever going into a place

609
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: where you are going into a fight, whether it's a

610
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: legal battle or something, it's like call upon o.

611
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 4: Ya, right, like a call upon Oya.

612
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 2: And so with her, I didn't necessarily feel as though

613
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 2: she was in me. But when I was done writing,

614
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 2: when I finished writing the last word, I went downstairs

615
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 2: and I put on some drumming music and I just

616
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 2: started like drumming, and then all of a sudden, I

617
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 2: started crying, like like when I say bawling crying, And

618
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:08,959
Speaker 2: then it just.

619
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 4: Felt like all of the characters came out of me.

620
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 3: Wo.

621
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: I didn't even realize they were in me, Like it

622
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: was just like like.

623
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 4: I was doing all kinds of annoyses. There was like

624
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 4: a fly on the wall watching me. I know I

625
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 4: looked crazy, but it was like ceremony of letting go

626
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 4: right of these characters.

627
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just going to ask you that. So

628
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you said that, Nida. I was gonna

629
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: ask you about a ritual that you may have had

630
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: after the process.

631
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 4: So you just answered that. Love that, thank you. And

632
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 4: I love that your.

633
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: Writing style, how you can literally just like see the word,

634
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: like see the picture as you read the words. It's

635
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: so beautifully stated and so loving that experience. And I

636
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: want to talk a bit about storytelling and the power

637
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: of storytelling. I typically gravitate towards self help books, and

638
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: so fiction is usually like away from me to escape

639
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: and like go into a different world where I'm not

640
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 1: like got to do this thing and you know, take notes.

641
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 1: So how would you say the act of storytelling, especially fiction,

642
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: helps to process trauma or difficult emotions. Yes, so.

643
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: For these stories, especially based in times that it was

644
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 2: very difficult for our people in America. Right, So with

645
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 2: Shallow Waters, it was slavery. Right for me what this

646
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: book did because every other book, movie, TV show that

647
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: I've seen that had slavery in it left me feeling

648
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: fucking pissed off. Okay, mad, right, like just like ready

649
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: to go out there and you know, like you know

650
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: like I had that feeling, and I was like, when

651
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: people finish reading Shallow Waters, I want them to feel healed.

652
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: And I hadn't healed from that, right, So in the

653
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: when I was first writing and I started writing what

654
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: was happening on the middle passage, I had a full

655
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: on breakdown because I was like, oh, my gosh, this

656
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 2: happened to my ancestors. This actually happened to my ancestors,

657
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: like really allowing myself.

658
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 4: To be in there. Wooh.

659
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 2: It was so intense, and I was like, Okay, my

660
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 2: intention is that whoever reads this book that they go

661
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 2: through that same healing. And so I put it out

662
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: as an intention. Intention is such a strong, powerful tool

663
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: because it almost doesn't matter what we say after it.

664
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: We can set an intention, give it up to God, right,

665
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 2: and then whatever happens after that, our intention is already set.

666
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: And so I set that intention and I got feedback

667
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 2: throughout my Shallow Water's journey where people said exactly that that,

668
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: you know, like what my intention was, and I was like, all.

669
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 4: Right, I'll take.

670
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: Mission accomplished.

671
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 4: It's an accomplished exactly.

672
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 3: Yes, that that is beautiful, And you know what I

673
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 3: appreciate is the acknowledgment that the book, that these that

674
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 3: the experiences that you write about are not easy, and

675
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: that you're not shying away from from telling these stories

676
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 3: and so. But I also appreciate because yes, what you

677
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 3: pointed out about a lot of what we when we

678
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 3: the books that have come out and the movies and

679
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: things that have come out are heavy and which are

680
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 3: not that we need things. Yes, exactly, it's important. It's

681
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 3: not that we're expecting it to have a happy ending.

682
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 3: But I appreciate that you're writing this, that this is

683
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 3: like historical spiritual fiction in the sense that, yes, that

684
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 3: does give space for healing and taking but and more

685
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: importantly taking it in. Yeah, without walking away with the

686
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 3: extreme heaviness, like you can. I appreciate that it can.

687
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 3: By the end, it's been work through.

688
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah.

689
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: One interesting thing that I realized because it's working with

690
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: ancestral wounds, right, healing of our ancestral wounds, which sometimes

691
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 2: we don't even know our ancestral wounds, right. Is one

692
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 2: of the major ones I had was about work, Like whenever.

693
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 4: Anyone talked about me doing work, I was like, I

694
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 4: don't even want to do any work, you know, like work.

695
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: But then when I'm actually working and doing things, I

696
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: love it, and I'm like, why do I hate it

697
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: when it's spoken about? Right?

698
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: What is that thing?

699
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 2: And it was like, my fucking ancestors worked for free.

700
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 2: They built this country for free.

701
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 4: They were not doing the work of their passion right,

702
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 4: And so.

703
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: I that was one of the things, one of the

704
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: ancestral wounds that I wasn't even aware of, like, and

705
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: it didn't it didn't align because I loved work when

706
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: I was doing it right. I love you know, writing,

707
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 2: I love working with people, doing sessions right, like leading retreats, but.

708
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 4: Talking about it brought an deety right, like like a

709
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 4: feeling like I don't want to do this, And so

710
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 4: that was It's just so many little things that we

711
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 4: can heal once we bring awareness to them.

712
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Anita, there are so many questions in

713
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: my mind right now, Dom Is there anything else that

714
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: you really want to ask because I feel like there's

715
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: so many questions on my mind that I want to ask, like,

716
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: stay focused, you got it.

717
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, There's so many questions for me. And then I'm

718
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: like there's like some personal questions that I'm like right right,

719
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 3: and I'm like, Nope, this not Nope, let's not do it.

720
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 3: And so but what I appreciate is that that's the

721
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 3: energy that you have called into this space, right, And

722
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 3: that's a beautiful energy that you don't get with everybody

723
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 3: where you're like, all right, I want to let's let's

724
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 3: have this conversation.

725
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 1: I want to dig in, okay.

726
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 3: And so how do you recognizing that that is a

727
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 3: gift that you have, right, how do you set boundaries

728
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 3: and take care of yourself knowing that this is your gift?

729
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah?

730
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 4: I love that question.

731
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: And I think for me, because of my origin story

732
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: of where I come from, it's so important for me

733
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: to have quiet space, to have alone time, and so

734
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 2: my boundaries for that are super strong. And I make

735
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 2: sure that I am recharged right by just even doing nothing,

736
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 2: like just sitting in my house right and doing nothing.

737
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 2: And there's other ways that I recharge, but that's a

738
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 2: very important thing for me. Like how I said, like

739
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: my mom, let me daydream, right, So that's a student

740
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: super important way for me to recharge is to.

741
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 4: Sit and daydream.

742
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: And I also love to create, so we have to

743
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: create space in order for us to create, right, And

744
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: so I would say boundaries are something I'm pretty good at,

745
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: though I guess I'm also a recovering people pleaser. So

746
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: there was a part of me that, you know, I

747
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 2: did want to please people, but.

748
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 4: I would get to the point where I.

749
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: Was like, all right, bitch, okay, I want you to

750
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: be happy, but okay, But yes, it is it's important

751
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 2: for us to understand who we are, to know what

752
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: we want to make space for, right, because for some

753
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 2: people there are so many distractions that we don't even

754
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 2: know who we are, especially people who are raised with

755
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,439
Speaker 2: all of these different distractions, right, like have been in

756
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: this probably your generation, right, have been in like there's

757
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 2: always been a phone, right, and so there's a lot

758
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: of distractions and it's like, wait, who am I?

759
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: Right?

760
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's scary when it goes quiet, and it's like

761
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 2: just in our own minds and like, so important to do.

762
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: I have been thinking about this a lot, you know,

763
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: the saying to thine own self be true? Yes, I

764
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: have been thinking about that so much because if we

765
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: know that as young people, it is so powerful, because

766
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: so much of what people do when they're young is

767
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: try to be what other people want them to be.

768
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: And it can feel like that end of the world.

769
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: If we choose ourselves, choose who we are. Let me

770
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: tell you, if you live long enough, eventually you're just

771
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 2: gonna have to choose yourself. It's the end of the

772
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 2: road if you choose in yourself. So you must do

773
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 2: it as a young fricking person. I tell my daughters.

774
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: I tell my daughters, I'm like, you actually are in

775
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 2: one of the most powerful positions right now. Do your shit,

776
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,439
Speaker 2: do what you came here to do. Don't worry about

777
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: what other people say. And so anyway, I felt like.

778
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 4: You were going to say something terry.

779
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: You are on boy, I can sense the intuitiveness. You're like,

780
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: read my mind, know when I'm gonna say stuff. I

781
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: love it. And I just went to whole space for

782
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: your mom because and even you, because of what you

783
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: just shared about your daughters. Like, the more that we know,

784
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: the better we can mother those that are coming behind us,

785
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: whether we're physically you know, mothering or spiritually mothering. But

786
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: I want to hold space because the fact that your

787
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: mom protected your day dreaming time was so incredible, so admirable.

788
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 1: And also that quote that she said when you were

789
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: questioning your gift, like everything that comes from you is

790
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: from God, oh my, like goosebumps, so incredible, And I

791
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: wanted to also ask about something else you said around

792
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: growing your intuition. I think that it's so important for

793
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: us as people, but especially black women to go within

794
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: And I'm in the season in life where I'm like,

795
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: we're you visiting and reminding myself to do that. So

796
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: tell us more about how you've worked on growing your intuition,

797
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: ideally in some practical ways that listeners can like start

798
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 1: implementing today in their lives.

799
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 2: Yes, So we all have an intuitive voice, right, we

800
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: all have an intuitive voice. I feel like Black women

801
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: have very strong intuitive voices.

802
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 4: Like I said, it.

803
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 2: Actually takes a lot for us not to listen, right,

804
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: a lot, And we do it sometimes that we don't listen,

805
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 2: But it takes a lot for us not to listen.

806
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 2: And so to me, it's almost like getting acquainted with

807
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 2: that voice. So if you're walking out of the house

808
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 2: and you hear a voice saying grab that pen, you know,

809
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 2: something as small as that, right, and it's like, oh, no,

810
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: I don't need a pen.

811
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 4: You know, you go out into the world all of

812
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 4: a sudden you.

813
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: Need a pen, and you're like, oh, how funny, my

814
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 2: intuition told me how right, Like, it can be so

815
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 2: small and it's just about like listening to it, like

816
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: when you hear it, like okay, even if it's so

817
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: like like that as small as grab a pen, just

818
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 2: doing it, and eventually it gets louder and louder and louder,

819
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: because it is definitely a whisper. Right at first, we

820
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 2: might not necessarily hear it. And like I said, like

821
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 2: even with my readings that I've learned the language, right,

822
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 2: it's like learning our language. What is our intuition our

823
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: intuitive language? And I feel like to me that is

824
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: one of the practical ways. What's really interesting about meditation

825
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 2: for people of color. Moving meditations are great for us,

826
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: so taking a walk and you know, but but like

827
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: really taking in the you know, nature and if you

828
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: want to have some soothing music playing, because sometimes sitting

829
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: and meditating without moving is a little bit it can

830
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: be hard, right, it can be hard for anyone, but

831
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: it's there's for people of color, we learn best.

832
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 4: When we're moving.

833
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 2: So even in therapy, so like like there's a therapy

834
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 2: called equestrian therapy where you're on a horse and you're

835
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: getting therapy while you're on a horse, so you're moving.

836
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 4: It's a really good.

837
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 2: For us, right, like to be able to move even

838
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 2: if we're learning. Like my sister teaches young children, young

839
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 2: mostly black and brown children, and she lets them get

840
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: up and do like, you know, like jumping jacks while

841
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 2: they're learning their math, and they retain it, right like

842
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 2: that is how they retain it. So there's like movement

843
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: because when you think of school, it's like sit down.

844
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 4: At your desk. That's not how we learn. I'm gonna

845
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 4: go to sleep.

846
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 3: So yeah, oh my gosh, that feels so validating, that

847
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 3: last part because I just remember being in college and

848
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,959
Speaker 3: being calling myself borderline narcoleptic because I would be sitting

849
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 3: in classes and the class the electro hall would be

850
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 3: freezing cold, and I would every time I would be

851
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 3: if I would fall asleep. And literally there are times

852
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 3: when I can look at my notes because this was

853
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 3: back when we would handwrite our notes, and I could

854
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 3: look back at my notes and I could see the

855
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 3: moment where I fell asleep, and I'm sitting straight up

856
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 3: with a pen in my hand, and as you're saying this,

857
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 3: this like makes sense to me that like, oh okay,

858
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, there probably were some nutritional health things happening.

859
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 4: But for a while I was fall asleep.

860
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, the idea of being able to get up

861
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,959
Speaker 3: and move around. It also makes sense about the piece

862
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 3: about how moving meditations can be more helpful for us,

863
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 3: because I know for me personally meditation works. Is I

864
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 3: use meditation to fall asleep, Like, that's what I use

865
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,439
Speaker 3: meditation for because and I had the best sleep when

866
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 3: I do that. And so for me, sitting down to

867
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 3: meditate on something doesn't work, yeah when I but I

868
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 3: do go on walks a lot to help me think

869
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 3: things through and obviously for exercise and movement and all

870
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 3: of that stuff.

871
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 4: But like, yeah, what.

872
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 3: You're saying is making sense, and it's it's also a

873
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 3: reminder around the importance of our own internal knowing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, and that is oh my gosh, okay,

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Speaker 2: whatever you just said just sparked something in me.

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Speaker 4: But it's like.

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Speaker 2: That is what all of these things have been put

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Speaker 4: Are, right, like all of these things.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And so when you said that internal knowing like

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Speaker 2: allowing ourselves.

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Speaker 4: To be able to learn, to be able to listen.

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Speaker 1: Oh wowerful Anita. This, we're gonna wrap up because you know,

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Speaker 1: this converse, this conversation has been amazing. We appreciate you,

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Speaker 1: and we just had a couple other questions and then

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Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap up because we could talk to you

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Speaker 1: all day. Clearly, we appreciate you so much. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: your gifts, we appreciate your books. Yes, lady, make sure

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Speaker 1: we're going to add the show the link to Anita's

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Speaker 1: book at our show notes. I'm trying to get my

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Speaker 1: horse together, so make sure you go support Anita and

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Speaker 1: her work. My heart is overflowing. Anita, thank you. Is

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Speaker 1: there anything we love for you to share with our

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Speaker 1: listeners where they can find you, how they can support.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yes, please go get the book. It comes out

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Speaker 2: January twenty. First, the Wind on her tongue, you can

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Speaker 4: It is standalone.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to reach shallow waters before, but I

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Speaker 2: know that would be awesome. I would say most of

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Speaker 2: my information I put out there is Instagram, which is

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Speaker 2: my name, Anita Copatch an Ia KOPACV.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Also, I am a part of the Goddess Wisdom Council

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Speaker 2: and we have monthly calls for community, and so we

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Speaker 2: have that and then we do retreats once a year.

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Speaker 4: So our next retreat is April in Costa Rica.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, we need to sign up and go get

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Speaker 1: that link. Thank you so much, Anita. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: Yes, thank you.

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