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Speaker 1: All right, welcome inte this week's ozone podcast from the

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Speaker 1: NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, and we're joined by you know,

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Speaker 1: all jack Horse fans know him. Most of them love him.

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Speaker 1: It's a former jack Horse most of the back. And

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Speaker 1: you've already heard the voice, uh Morise Jones, Drew you

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Speaker 1: get most not all. Well, yeah, some people want to

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Speaker 1: two something dislike me. I almost all love him, love you,

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Speaker 1: So that's okay. I guess all is a lot. I

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Speaker 1: try to be like ninety eight percent though most of

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Speaker 1: my stuff, well that's fair, okay, I'm okay with that.

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Speaker 1: You always signed for everybody, so they love you. I

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Speaker 1: tried to most tell me your feelings watching this team

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Speaker 1: this year, you know, very first thing, because I talked

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Speaker 1: to you late in the season on drivetime, so so

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Speaker 1: excited for this team. Um. I got a chance earlier

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Speaker 1: in the year before they hired Doug Peterson to sit

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Speaker 1: down with Shot and kind of just over the phone

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Speaker 1: and we talked for a couple of hours just kind

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Speaker 1: of what was going on, and you know, he was

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to give him my opinion, right as

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Speaker 1: someone in the in the national media that has you know, resources,

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Speaker 1: probably some like he or less than he he has.

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Speaker 1: But people, yeah, people will tell me something that they

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Speaker 1: won't tell him. And I just wanted to give him,

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Speaker 1: you know, my take on kind of the situation, especially

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Speaker 1: after what happened with Urban and and UM. You know,

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Speaker 1: he was like, well, look, you know, these are the

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Speaker 1: guys that we have. And I threw out some guys

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Speaker 1: and we chopped it up for a couple of a

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Speaker 1: couple of hours, and UM really excited what he was

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Speaker 1: thinking about and who he was listening to UM and

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Speaker 1: his decision process of it. And so when they hired

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Speaker 1: when the Jacks hired Doug Peterson, I thought that was

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Speaker 1: one of the best hires you could have, UM, because

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Speaker 1: you needed that coming from It's kind of like it's

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Speaker 1: not polar opposers, but it is polar opposers, right, Like

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Speaker 1: Doug is not Urban. Yeah. What I what I mean

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Speaker 1: by polar is this you're still held to a high standard,

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Speaker 1: but the way it comes across isn't like is um

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the word is, but it's yeah,

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Speaker 1: collegiate or as aggressive right UM. And then you get

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Speaker 1: the aspect of you get a guy who who's won

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Speaker 1: the championships, so he has credit already pulled in. You

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Speaker 1: get a guy who's played in the National Football League,

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Speaker 1: you get a guy who's coached some of the best players,

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Speaker 1: has been around some of the best coaches. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: a players guy, right, And I know he's a I

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Speaker 1: don't know if he still does the ice cream thing,

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Speaker 1: but like that was just something light that kind of

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Speaker 1: lightened the room when Trevor, I know, when he did

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Speaker 1: his introductory press conference, Trevor was there like all right,

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Speaker 1: let's go get some ice cream. Like those are things

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Speaker 1: that because this is supposed to be fun, yeah, relatable, right,

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Speaker 1: and it just it kind of allows you still to

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Speaker 1: be a person and not you know, just a coach, right,

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Speaker 1: And so that was I would think that was a

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Speaker 1: huge process. And not only that, Um, Doug came into

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Speaker 1: a situation where he had to he had to rehab

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Speaker 1: a lot of mentality. Mentality, right, there was so much

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Speaker 1: trauma from the year before of all the things that

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Speaker 1: lot of things that probably didn't come on the national

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Speaker 1: media at the time, um that came out later. But

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of rehabbing of mentality and trust

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Speaker 1: and therapy and a lot of things that you had

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Speaker 1: to have a coach. I was willing to do that.

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Speaker 1: That sounds easy. Yeah, it's always trust. No, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like you know, you have to have those. Uh, something

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Speaker 1: getting Trevor Lawrence. And the one thing I truly I

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Speaker 1: talked about this with a shod was that you know

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Speaker 1: your quarterback, you have a young quarterback, you got to

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Speaker 1: put as many resources around him as possible. And what

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Speaker 1: I meant by that was he needed a quarterback coach.

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Speaker 1: He needed an OC. He needed a head coach that

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Speaker 1: that new quarterback play. He needed a guy in the

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Speaker 1: room that's played. I mean, he needed guys you can link. Hey,

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Speaker 1: here goes a number. You could call this guy too

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Speaker 1: to help you because he's a young guy and they're

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Speaker 1: so impressionable at that point, especially in the in the

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Speaker 1: in our NFL that he you know, there are some

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Speaker 1: times in the in the season, and I'll tell you this,

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Speaker 1: it's crazy. I remember this in London, they run sprint

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Speaker 1: that was a great opportunity for Doug to go in

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Speaker 1: and there beat the therapist right, to go in and

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Speaker 1: help him work through that. They come back the next week.

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Speaker 1: I can think agains the Texans and they run the

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Speaker 1: same play. But guess what he does, throws it out

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Speaker 1: of bounce. It wasn't there. He made the right decision.

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Speaker 1: And so and that is in that to me, was

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Speaker 1: the most important thing of the season. That those two

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Speaker 1: plays were more important than the Chiefs game. They were

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Speaker 1: more important than anything else because you allowed Trevor to

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Speaker 1: make a mistake, you coached him through it, you didn't

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Speaker 1: rate him, you didn't beat him down or wherever you

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Speaker 1: did to make him feel comfortable, and you called it

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Speaker 1: again and he made the right play. Right now now

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Speaker 1: we can work on Now we can move on to

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Speaker 1: the next thing. And so that's what you started to

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Speaker 1: see throughout the season with everybody though, but that was

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Speaker 1: just obviously one example. Then you started to see the defense, right,

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Speaker 1: the defense was given up some here there they play well,

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Speaker 1: they're back and forth then they started to tighten down

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Speaker 1: up and make plays and guys are excited to come

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Speaker 1: to work, and you started to hear all these positive

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Speaker 1: things come out. And that's what a head coach is.

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Speaker 1: I always tell people, as a head coach, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you could be a play caller if you want to,

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Speaker 1: and I mean some a lot of guys do that,

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Speaker 1: and you hire guys for that. With that guy, it's

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Speaker 1: the big picture. It's the it's the coach, the mentor,

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Speaker 1: the therapists, the problem solver. UH. Making sure that you

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Speaker 1: know everybody is on the same page, from the training staff,

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Speaker 1: the equipment staff, the medical staff, like everything. You have

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Speaker 1: to have a program vision, a program builder, which is

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Speaker 1: what they thought they were getting with Urban, right, but

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Speaker 1: you now have that and Doug and to see you know,

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Speaker 1: to add the right pieces and free agency, to work

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Speaker 1: with Trent Balky and add the right pieces and to

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Speaker 1: be able to utilize those guys the right way. And

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Speaker 1: and you know, to me, that was that's huge. You

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Speaker 1: during that You know there's a perception sometimes that he's

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Speaker 1: not engaged with the team, and it couldn't be. It

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Speaker 1: couldn't be farther from the truth. But it's been out

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Speaker 1: there in the past. From your conversation with him, Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's not my first one either, Like we've had multiple conversations.

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Speaker 1: His level of commitment. He wants to win and he'll

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Speaker 1: do whatever it takes to win. And you've seen that,

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Speaker 1: UM with the Urban Meyer situation, given them the big contract,

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Speaker 1: you know, building the facility that they're building right now,

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Speaker 1: like all those things, or to do whatever he feels

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Speaker 1: is necessary to win. When he first came to Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: I'll get into the conversation we had. But the first building,

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Speaker 1: the first time he came to Jacksonville, he built the

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Speaker 1: whole locker room, switched everything up right. It looked like

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Speaker 1: a spat Like he told us, like, listen to my

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Speaker 1: job is to make you as comfortable as possible to

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Speaker 1: perform at your best. UM. And then talking with him,

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Speaker 1: it's it's not only that part of it as from

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Speaker 1: he listens and I think that's the most important. When

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Speaker 1: you have a lot of money, you don't listen to

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Speaker 1: a lot of it, At least I wouldn't, right. I

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Speaker 1: barely now, not as much as him. I barely listen

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Speaker 1: But if I had his money, I wouldn't listen to anyone.

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Speaker 1: But to listen and to try to understand and to

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Speaker 1: try to take what you're hearing and all this information

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Speaker 1: It's tough to do, and so that to me is everything, right.

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Speaker 1: Like he he wants what's best for his guys, and

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Speaker 1: we talked about it. He was like, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to have the number one pick ever again. And I

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Speaker 1: was like, I get that, but right now you do.

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Speaker 1: So let's figure out who the best player is and

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Speaker 1: let's make this thing work, to build this roster the

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Speaker 1: way it needs to be. Um And you know, in

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Speaker 1: my mind, again this is me. I told him. I

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Speaker 1: number one pick again. I would just want to acquire

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Speaker 1: as much lens I can at this point, because so

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Speaker 1: much was you know, people have depleted this roster. Every

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Speaker 1: and knew something, it's turnover, right, And so there's so

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Speaker 1: many times that guys have turned over, from Jalen Ramsey

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Speaker 1: has to be able to handle, you know, different personalities

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Speaker 1: able to smooth over some things and know how to

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Speaker 1: push and lean on people. And so that was like,

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Speaker 1: that was the big topic. But to me, the biggest

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Speaker 1: throughout talking to different people what it takes to win.

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Speaker 1: And it takes longer to be a good NFL owner

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Speaker 1: than people realize. I've always thought it's a hard thing

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Speaker 1: because they come in and they haven't done this before. Well,

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Speaker 1: I always always go back to Bill Belichick and the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: I remember I was in the upfront office one time

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Speaker 1: we're playing and I looked up on the wall because

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Speaker 1: I wasn't a big like NFL fan growing up. Um,

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Speaker 1: I looked him on the wall and they were like,

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Speaker 1: they're selling the Patriots in nineteen ninety four, right, like,

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Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Right? Like? And then Robert Kraft

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Speaker 1: buys him and he's supposed to be moving them and

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Speaker 1: they're talking about them moving then all right, it was

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Speaker 1: it was a lot of kale and then all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, boom, got the right coach, got the right quarterback,

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Speaker 1: things took off. You're a pretty good owner, right, You're

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Speaker 1: a great owner. Right, And so to me, it takes

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Speaker 1: time to get that and what shots on the team

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Speaker 1: since went ten years now? Eleven years? Twelve to eat? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so so eleven years and it takes time to do that. Um,

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Speaker 1: And so over time you're gonna learn, and you're gonna

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Speaker 1: learn the business. He's a very smart guy. I mean

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Speaker 1: everyone probably knows his Backstory's very smart, understands h a

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Speaker 1: lot of different things. And we've had conversations about that

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