WEBVTT - Perfect Chaos • EP 804 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.440 First of all, you don't know me. We all about 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:06.439 that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about. 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:08.119 Them high school queens. 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:10.440 We'll take you for a ride, and our comic. 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:12.520 Girl sharing for the right teen. 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:15.880 Drama Queens, Jaylie's my girl ofugh girl Fashion, Butch your 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:16.479 tough girl. 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.560 You could sit with us, Girl Drama, Queen Drama, Queens Drama, 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.319 Queens Drama, John McQueen's drama, Queens. 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.720 Hey Everybody, Season eight, Episode four is We All Fall Down? 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:31.560 Air date October fifth, twenty ten, twenty ten. 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:34.519 Guys, this is so long ago, okay. 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:38.639 The synopsis is as Brook deals with the mounting financial 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:42.239 troubles at Closeover Bros, Nathan and Haley come to a 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:47.360 conclusion regarding Nathan's career. Meanwhile, Julian begins a new film project, 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.960 while Alex and Chase spend their afternoon together. Directed by 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:55.920 Peter Kowalski, writer Bill Brown, William Brown. Well, thanks, I 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:57.640 hope you guys watched along with us. This was a 0:00:57.640 --> 0:00:58.200 fun one. 0:00:58.320 --> 0:00:59.440 This one was. 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:05.000 I can I just go ahead and say though that 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:09.080 I literally have laughter in all caps in my notes 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:14.880 because we open on Nathan training and James is such 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:20.360 a g he's just crushing the sports and it, I mean, 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:26.440 making buckets to an instrumental of this has got to 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:32.240 be a good Life. I was like, why it felt 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:36.440 as weird to me as the punk rock over the 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:41.040 super emotional last episode, Like I almost feel like someone's 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:44.240 taken our music syncs and put them in like a 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.720 like a boggle jar and just shaken up the dice 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:51.160 and you see where it lands. Why was that song 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:53.920 for the sports? 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:56.640 It must have just been a trending song at the time. 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.520 It definitely was, But it's kind of like they said, hey, 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.480 we couldn't jump around by House of Pain, but we 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.640 were able to get an instrumental of good Life. Yeah, 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:07.640 and they're like, uh okay, great. Yeah. 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:12.240 Also cutting to the credits that Susie so did I think? 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:15.359 Which it was a beautiful rendition, but also why did 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:16.440 we just not flip flop them? 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:17.680 Because the energy was there? 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:21.079 So who knows that energy would have been so much 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:22.040 better for Ato three. 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:22.800 Yeah. 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:24.920 I wonder what happens behind the scenes that we don't 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:28.320 know about that sets that up, Like who, I mean, 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:30.720 maybe somebody's got an album coming out that week and 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.399 it needs to be I don't know. 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:34.959 I don't know why we should. 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.079 We really do need to have Lindsay Wolfington on this 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:40.400 show before it's all over and ask her all these questions. 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:44.280 Yeah, it was such a good opener, but the music 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:49.280 feeling mismatched took me out of it. And you know, 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.280 I'll be the first to say, maybe that's because we 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:55.400 made the show. Maybe maybe the audience didn't really bump 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:57.480 on it. But I would actually be really curious from 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:00.519 the fans at home if you were like, why this song? 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:05.120 Also, can I say that my first note is a 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:08.359 good song and a sweaty James Lafferty working out montage 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.200 to start the app sign me up? So clearly I 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:12.520 didn't bump on it at all. 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:15.840 Yeah, I didn't. Okay, nurice it either. I didn't notice 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:16.240 it either. 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.840 I liked the little American beauty vibe with creeper Julian 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:20.560 in this camera. 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.320 That's what it was, American beauty. 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:25.960 Yes, that was weird. 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:30.160 I was like, does Nathan know Julian's filming him? Why 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:32.760 is Julian sort of hiding behind his car but not 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:37.680 completely the whole It felt so weird to me. And 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:41.280 then later in the episode when he tells Brook, oh, 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:44.680 I'm testing out this new camera. I'm like, could we 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:47.480 not have done this at the baseball field with kid? 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.640 Where it was I felt cute? And then you see 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.040 him filming the dad and you go, oh, he's doing 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:55.520 He's gonna like do this with everybody. I guess we'll 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:56.360 figure out why. 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.360 Instead he drives you to the prison without telling you, 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.560 and then as coming out, bust out this video camera. 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.080 Right doesn't feel me going in, God. 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.280 He susould drive me crazy this stuff, Like, it's just 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.400 why are we doing this? Can we not just make 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:12.880 it make sense? Is there not one person in the 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.680 room who's just like, can we just it's not that 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.000 hard to make it make sense. Let's make some slight 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:19.400 adjustments exactly. 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:23.039 And the blocking, here's the weird thing. If Nathan was 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:27.120 playing at a crowded court, totally makes sense for Julian 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.560 to kind of be doing his own thing tucked away recording. 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.440 But Nathan is playing at River Court. He is the 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:36.640 only person there. He is the only car there, which 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:41.000 means seeing Julian pull up and be standing there would 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.560 be incredibly obvious. It would be weird to not acknowledge 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.320 each other. So the fact that the blocking had him 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:49.360 kind of like tuck behind his car, and it was like, 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:56.000 is Nathan aware why the energy was very like lurker creepy. 0:04:56.240 --> 0:05:00.159 Yeah, it would have made so much more sense to 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:05.960 acknowledge each other, to make it look like Julian's doing something, 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:12.359 not stalking people. Yeah, and then you know, even see, 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:14.680 you could have seen Nathan kind of get lost in 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:16.880 it and then catch himself because he knows his friend 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:20.480 is there. But to your point, Rob, it's like it's 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:24.880 the flattest, most open space in all of Wilmington, and 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.839 supposedly he doesn't see a giant old Ford truck and 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.760 a man who's six ' three standing there looking at 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:32.520 him like, what are we talking about? 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:33.480 Yeah, well he did. 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:35.680 He must have seen him. Julian must have told him 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:39.039 blah blah blah, the camera this program, can I shoot you? 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:39.760 Sure? 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:42.360 But then awkward. 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.560 All it took was the slightest head nod between each 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.839 other even and you'd be like, yeah, okay. 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:49.680 Yeah cool. 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.440 Part of me hates picking this stuff apart, but I 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:57.080 also feel like I love the critical thinking aspect of 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:00.960 it because so often we I think it just happens 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:04.799 more and more in TV, especially for this demographic where 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.600 it gets a little lazy. People are whoever's running the 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.720 show is just like it doesn't really matter, and kids 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.599 are getting used to not having to critically think. They're 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.240 just they just accept it because everything is a little 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:21.359 bit suspended beyond belief in my opinion. 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.680 But I see it happened with my daughter. I'm like, well, 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:26.560 this doesn't make any sense, and she's just like, whatever, 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:30.839 it's just TV. I'm like, yeah, but it's storytelling. 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:32.800 Should make sense that how else are you supposed to 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.039 be emotionally affected by something if there's this part of 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.280 your brain that's just like, yeah, but how did it, 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:38.680 how did you get there? 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:39.400 And what happened? 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:41.279 And when it's not that hard to tie up the 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:42.760 loose ends, I think we should do it. 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:43.760 That's my rant. 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.680 Well, I appreciate the rant, and I also appreciate that 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.200 because listen, there's a weird thing and I think we 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.039 certainly we definitely experienced this. Rob Like when we first 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:55.720 started the show, I think there was a little bit 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.160 of shock from some of the fans that were like, whoa, 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.440 you guys point out a lot of things that aren't great, 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:06.599 and I never want to seem like we're complaining but 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:10.440 what I do appreciate is saying this could be better. 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:14.400 And in a way, yeah, we're reliving these great memories 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.840 we all had together, but we're kind of film schooling 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:18.640 our show. 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:20.600 Yes, like this is what you do. 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:23.640 In film school, and I do appreciate it. And what 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.960 I don't want to do is the thing that the 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.600 writers would do, which is sort of the role you 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:31.880 just played, right, joy being like, well, the assumption is 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.280 they've talked about this off camera, and who cares. You 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:35.960 don't need to see it on camera because the most 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:40.280 interesting thing and that's actually not true. That's just lazy. Yeah, 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:45.400 And I like that we're willing to say that and 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.640 do that, And like, I don't know. I didn't go 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:50.280 to film school and kind of wish I had. And 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:52.560 for anyone out there who didn't go to film school either, 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:54.960 you're welcome. Welcome to class. 0:07:55.360 --> 0:08:00.160 Yeah, and pointing out stuff like that isn't like, isn't 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:02.400 like knocking the show as a whole. It's not saying 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.080 we don't like the show. It's it's the same way 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.720 like when I watch a movie. Unfortunately, I noticed when 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.960 a character's glass goes from full in one shot to 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.760 then empty the next shot and then full again. It's 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:16.000 like I can't not notice these things. But it doesn't 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:18.800 mean like the movie's not good. No, it's not the case. Also, 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.360 to be fair, listen, TV's fast and loose, and sometimes 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.960 it can be really lazy. Also, there are some days 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:28.240 where there are only so many fires you can put out. Yeah, 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:29.920 this might have been a day where there was like 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.840 three more like more pressing fires, and by fire, I 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:36.200 just mean like a problem, and this was the smallest, 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:37.640 and they were just they could they didn't have the 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:41.679 time for it. Yeah, you know, because TV moves so fast, 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:45.600 you know, it's so ambitious. So sometimes it's just like, cool, 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.560 we have three trash cans and two lids. What are 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:49.280 we going to address? 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:51.079 A couple of other things. 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.680 I noticed though, when he flipped that camera, when he 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.840 turned the recording off, it went to a green light. 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:02.640 Did you notice that? Yeah, so it looks like he hadn't. 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:04.640 Been recording the whole time. And then when he turned 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.760 the camera quote unquote off, the green light turned on. 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.560 Although I guess when you record, a red light runs. 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:12.600 Yeah, the red light runs when you're recorded. 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.120 Why would a green light go on when he turned 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:18.600 it off? It was a full green light. Was so strange? 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.760 Was that supposed to help you make sure you knew 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:23.319 you weren't recording? 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:28.000 Maybe, except that green means go generally. But I don't 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.040 know whatever. It was just some random thing. But the 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:35.320 other thing was, did anybody catch the giant boom behind 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:39.000 Nathan's head when he and I were talking in the kitchen. No, 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.800 we took up half the frame, Guys on the left. 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.520 I should have stopped and screenshotted it for you. 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:47.679 Like when he comes home from having beers with Julian 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:49.360 to tell you that kitchen scene. 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.840 Yes, we're standing in the kitchen and it's over his 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.400 shoulder onto me. It's one of my first lines, and 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:57.000 the rest of the scene is popped in close on 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.000 my face and you can tell it's because that's the 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.120 only take they had, for whatever reason, in the shot, 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:02.320 and there was a boom in the shot and so 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:04.760 they had to cut deep into the shots. So I 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:06.960 was like uber close and Nathan was just sort of 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:08.360 like his normal, you know, neck up. 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:10.840 Okay, wait, so what's interesting about that scene? I know 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:14.200 we're jumping around, but I was watching the episode yesterday 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:17.600 and my best friend was here, and you're at the stove, 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:19.600 and he, like you know, walks in behind you, puts 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.760 his bag on the counter, and she goes, why do 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:26.160 they have joy in like seven inch platform heels? Isn't 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:27.520 isn't Haley pregnant? 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:30.599 And I said, and shorts and a jean jacket and 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:31.160 a scarf. 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.560 And I said, Babe, we all had to wear platforms 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:37.520 every day because all the boys were so tall. It 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:38.920 was the only way they could get us in the 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.160 two shots. And then you walk up to him and 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:43.920 she goes, oh my god, look how tiny she still is. 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.679 And I said, yeah, we all like basically broke our 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:49.680 feet for nine years because we needed to be in 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.120 heels all the time. Otherwise they could shoot over any 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:56.240 of the boy's shoulders. And she could not believe it. 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:57.840 And I was like, yeah, wait till you see. 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:02.040 Oh, I've got the bunyan to prove it. Don't worry. 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:08.000 Amazing hot, so hot. So I was paying attention to 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.080 your shoes and I fully missed the boom is the 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:10.679 pool boom? 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:12.839 I may go back and screenshot it for you guys, 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.040 just for the hell of it, because it really I 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.720 couldn't believe it was. I actually rewound it just to 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.080 make sure that I was seeing what I was seeing correctly. 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:24.640 Wow, well, testament to you and James, because I really 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:26.920 liked that scene and I didn't notice it. I was 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.200 I think I was all in on the ride of 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.920 you two and the story, and I had like normally 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.800 that stuff jumps out at me, didn't even notice it. 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:40.680 Yeah, okay, good, that's good. Well, those are the only 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:45.640 things about the you know, technic techno. Oh, for god's sake, 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:47.880 joy tech technical technical? 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:50.880 Why does this happen to me? 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:55.199 Hey, you're doing great? Joy? 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:56.319 Thanks guys. 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.360 Yeah, that's all I had about that, those comments. But 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:03.120 the lots at the storylines here, Yeah, where do we start? 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:04.120 Where do you guys want to start? 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.400 Well, the Crisis Intervention Center feels kind of like a 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:12.959 big thing. You know, we've watched Hailey channeling her experiences 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:17.440 finding healthy outlets. The journaling gives us very early days 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:22.840 Lucas voiceovers. It feels really sentimental. And then to see 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:27.520 there was something about seeing you at that desk in 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:32.199 that crisis center that gave me Hailey and the Tutor 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.840 center energy. Yeah, and it really made me feel nostalgic. 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:40.120 Yeah, I thought so too. I remember shooting that stuff. 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.000 I thought it was such a nice idea for Haley. 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.760 I wonder if she keeps going back to work there, 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.720 because I can't remember what's happening with this storyline remember either, 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:51.679 But I know they used I'm pretty sure they used 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.600 that voice at the end, the Irish accent, because we're 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:56.960 going to meet her and we need to be able 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:58.400 to recognize her right away. 0:12:58.760 --> 0:12:59.680 Yeah, I just don't. 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:00.800 Remember why or how. 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.679 Yes, I did really love that for Haley. It seems 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:08.040 like a good transition for her since she's not teaching anymore. 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.600 And I don't know what what is Hailey doing right now? 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:12.640 I mean, I guess. 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:14.040 She's growing a human being. 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:16.640 Yeah, but you know, you don't really need to be. 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:18.559 It's not like she's on bed rest or something. I 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:22.160 don't know why she's I don't know what she's doing. 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.160 Because didn't mea just go on tour. You guys just 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:28.960 finished me as album? Yeah she's on tour. Maybe, Yeah, 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.520 maybe this is your sort of pause after that big 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:33.079 creative project. 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:35.520 Well, and her sister just got shot and her mom 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:37.720 just died, so yeah, maybe she's just taken a break 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:38.320 of life. 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.680 And Nathan should be at camp right now, so you 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.000 are probably just staying home to hold the four done. 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:47.280 Yeah that's true too, Okay, okay, yeah, So Crisis Intervention 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.160 Center feels like a nice moment for her to be 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:51.920 able to take some time to do some good, do 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:55.080 something for the community, keep busy, because Haley likes to 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.320 be busy, but not take up her whole day. 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:10.320 I liked it too. 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.840 I have another observation from my best friend who was 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:18.000 here yesterday. When you realize it's Junk on the phone 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:22.080 and you go, hey buddy, seem he goes, oh, how emasculating? 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.640 We were hackling, and it's like, well, what do you say? 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.920 What do you say? And just that Hayley and hey buddy, 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:36.040 quick was so good. I liked getting Collin's voice in there. 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.080 I wish we'd gotten to see him in the episode, 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:42.280 but even just having Junk come in unexpectedly in that way, 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.360 it really did give us a moment of levity that 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:45.400 I thought was pretty great. 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.320 Yeah, maybe we get him back soon, I hope. So 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.040 I really missed those River court boys, such. 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:51.720 A good vibe. 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:55.480 I loved the first time we see Victoria in the 0:14:55.480 --> 0:15:00.200 Big House. She already has an assistant and fear like 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:04.400 she already has it all figured out and working for her. 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:08.280 Of course, she's got the lingo down, she's got her, 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:09.560 she's got her. 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.280 Yeah, assistant, that'll be enough. 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:15.600 Adele incredible, I wrote Victoria in prison already already has 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.960 staff of course, oh tattoo staff. Oh her name's Adele. 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.880 So much better than Calliope, so much better. 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:28.120 She's so much better than Calliope. And somehow Daphne manages 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:31.720 to have this incredible blowout. Yes, Like the volume in 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:37.080 her hair is perfect, and she's talking about the quote 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.840 captains of industry have done their best work while incarcerated. 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:43.440 She's so unfazed. 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:44.520 Unfazed. 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:46.800 Yeah, what else would you expect? 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:52.480 But I do appreciate that on the show, penitentiaries and 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.920 hospitals do not get in the way of good hair. 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:59.080 Oh yeah, never threatening trauma. Still going to have perfectly 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:03.200 quaft hair. Incarcerated, still going to have a beautiful blowout. 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:07.080 Yes, that's you know what. That's where the response it's 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.960 TV kind of makes sense. Yes, Yeah, Like if I'm 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:11.800 not going to get a little glamour here, where am 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:12.440 I going to get it? 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.360 Yeah, there's several different kinds of shows. There's the shows 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.800 where it's really real and raw, and they're going for 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.080 a specific look and a vibe that's not what we 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:20.480 were doing. 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:21.160 That's nice. 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.280 This isn't orange is the new black. We don't need 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:25.440 to like have a gritty portrayal of it. Let's just, 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.000 you know, keep it light and polite and beautifully blown out. 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:32.200 Yeah, Victoria wanting the warden to change the color of 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.280 the jumpsuit. What I would love to see though, is 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:38.200 the next time Brooke visits her that all the jumpsuits 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.800 like actually have been changed. They're all just like a 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:42.800 nice cerulean or something. 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:48.600 Yeah. The only penitentiary that has that has not orange 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:50.200 jumpsuits like in the nation. 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:55.680 Yeah, and it was a pitch something about you know, 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:58.840 mental health and the way colors motivate people, like she 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:02.760 would have had it researched, Yeah, budgeted done, Although maybe 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.240 we shouldn't be trusting Victoria with budgets, given where the 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:06.480 end of the episode. 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:11.040 Goes, Okay, this is one of those ones that could 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:16.720 have been solved in two words student loan, Like, Okay, 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.359 you lost your money invested in close over Bros. So 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.440 you're gonna tell your kids she can't go to college. 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.640 Why not just take out a student loan and still 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:26.040 let her go to college. 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:32.560 Yes, semantics for that particular guy's issue agreed. 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:34.440 I just feel I felt like I felt for him, 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.560 like this is that is horrible that this happened to you, 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.399 and that this is like what the company did to 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:42.080 you terrible. But I just didn't feel like at the end, 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.760 I'm like, but you know, you can get a loan 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:47.480 and she can still, Like, you don't have to tell 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:49.560 her she doesn't. She can't go to college now like 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:53.960 most people can't afford college. The vast majority of kids 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:54.719 can't afford it. 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:58.080 What I really liked about it though, that this guy, 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:00.239 I mean as an actor. I don't know who what 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.280 his name is, but I thought he did really great 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:06.439 with that material because that had to have been I 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:08.680 wonder how many I thought about how many people came 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:12.639 in to read that audition scene and read it be 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:16.280 like angry and bitter and a jerk, And he really was. 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:18.919 I really didn't know where it was going to go. 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.119 He was sweet, and it made the turn of the 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:26.000 revelation of what he was there for even more effective. 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.080 Well in the way he would occasionally slip into the 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:32.840 past tense like he think he said she was is 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:34.639 my daughter, like she was going to go to fashion school, 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.240 and I'm like, yeah, as his daughter passed away, That's 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:43.080 what I was worried about. Did Brook accidentally kill someone too? Like? Wow, 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:46.280 is that that's going on? Victoria? What'd you do? 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:52.840 Yeah? I think what was interesting to me about it 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:57.520 is at the time, I remember thinking, wow, God, this 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:02.040 is just so sad, and I liked that it could 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:08.120 be really personal and small for Brooke to be met with. 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.000 You know, if someone starts talking to you about a 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.160 crisis that's hundreds of millions of dollars, Like, what does 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.600 that mean? None of us have ever seen that kind 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:18.920 of money, you know, But to hear this girl whose 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:23.480 face you now know, lost her college fund, that's that's 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:28.000 an experience and an amount of you know, math that 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:30.919 I think most of us can wrap our heads around. 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:32.720 We don't need to sit and study the figures and 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.119 ask a bunch of questions and what not to learn. 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:40.479 It's a quick I get the problem, and you know, 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.600 for her to be met with this is the real 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:49.000 world effect of this enormous business problem. These hundreds of 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:50.879 millions of dollars in all these stores and all these 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:54.760 geographies and all these things. It personalized it really well. 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:58.000 And on the flip side of, you know, being a 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:00.760 person who's now been alive for almost twenty more years 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:02.639 than I was when we filmed this, I was like, 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:04.760 what do you mean you invested all of your money 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:07.000 in her college fund, in my credit? What are you 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.560 talking about? Who allowed you to do that? And why 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:12.680