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Speaker 4: Hey Everybody, Season eight, Episode four is We All Fall Down?
Speaker 4: Air date October fifth, twenty ten, twenty ten.
Speaker 2: Guys, this is so long ago, okay.
Speaker 4: The synopsis is as Brook deals with the mounting financial
Speaker 4: troubles at Closeover Bros, Nathan and Haley come to a
Speaker 4: conclusion regarding Nathan's career. Meanwhile, Julian begins a new film project,
Speaker 4: while Alex and Chase spend their afternoon together. Directed by
Speaker 4: Peter Kowalski, writer Bill Brown, William Brown. Well, thanks, I
Speaker 4: hope you guys watched along with us. This was a
Speaker 4: fun one.
Speaker 5: This one was.
Speaker 3: I can I just go ahead and say though that
Speaker 3: I literally have laughter in all caps in my notes
Speaker 3: because we open on Nathan training and James is such
Speaker 3: a g he's just crushing the sports and it, I mean,
Speaker 3: making buckets to an instrumental of this has got to
Speaker 3: be a good Life. I was like, why it felt
Speaker 3: as weird to me as the punk rock over the
Speaker 3: super emotional last episode, Like I almost feel like someone's
Speaker 3: taken our music syncs and put them in like a
Speaker 3: like a boggle jar and just shaken up the dice
Speaker 3: and you see where it lands. Why was that song
Speaker 3: for the sports?
Speaker 4: It must have just been a trending song at the time.
Speaker 6: It definitely was, But it's kind of like they said, hey,
Speaker 6: we couldn't jump around by House of Pain, but we
Speaker 6: were able to get an instrumental of good Life. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and they're like, uh okay, great. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Also cutting to the credits that Susie so did I think?
Speaker 4: Which it was a beautiful rendition, but also why did
Speaker 4: we just not flip flop them?
Speaker 2: Because the energy was there?
Speaker 3: So who knows that energy would have been so much
Speaker 3: better for Ato three.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I wonder what happens behind the scenes that we don't
Speaker 4: know about that sets that up, Like who, I mean,
Speaker 4: maybe somebody's got an album coming out that week and
Speaker 4: it needs to be I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know why we should.
Speaker 4: We really do need to have Lindsay Wolfington on this
Speaker 4: show before it's all over and ask her all these questions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was such a good opener, but the music
Speaker 3: feeling mismatched took me out of it. And you know,
Speaker 3: I'll be the first to say, maybe that's because we
Speaker 3: made the show. Maybe maybe the audience didn't really bump
Speaker 3: on it. But I would actually be really curious from
Speaker 3: the fans at home if you were like, why this song?
Speaker 6: Also, can I say that my first note is a
Speaker 6: good song and a sweaty James Lafferty working out montage
Speaker 6: to start the app sign me up? So clearly I
Speaker 6: didn't bump on it at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't. Okay, nurice it either. I didn't notice
Speaker 2: it either.
Speaker 6: I liked the little American beauty vibe with creeper Julian
Speaker 6: in this camera.
Speaker 2: That's what it was, American beauty.
Speaker 4: Yes, that was weird.
Speaker 3: I was like, does Nathan know Julian's filming him? Why
Speaker 3: is Julian sort of hiding behind his car but not
Speaker 3: completely the whole It felt so weird to me. And
Speaker 3: then later in the episode when he tells Brook, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm testing out this new camera. I'm like, could we
Speaker 3: not have done this at the baseball field with kid?
Speaker 3: Where it was I felt cute? And then you see
Speaker 3: him filming the dad and you go, oh, he's doing
Speaker 3: He's gonna like do this with everybody. I guess we'll
Speaker 3: figure out why.
Speaker 4: Instead he drives you to the prison without telling you,
Speaker 4: and then as coming out, bust out this video camera.
Speaker 3: Right doesn't feel me going in, God.
Speaker 4: He susould drive me crazy this stuff, Like, it's just
Speaker 4: why are we doing this? Can we not just make
Speaker 4: it make sense? Is there not one person in the
Speaker 4: room who's just like, can we just it's not that
Speaker 4: hard to make it make sense. Let's make some slight
Speaker 4: adjustments exactly.
Speaker 6: And the blocking, here's the weird thing. If Nathan was
Speaker 6: playing at a crowded court, totally makes sense for Julian
Speaker 6: to kind of be doing his own thing tucked away recording.
Speaker 6: But Nathan is playing at River Court. He is the
Speaker 6: only person there. He is the only car there, which
Speaker 6: means seeing Julian pull up and be standing there would
Speaker 6: be incredibly obvious. It would be weird to not acknowledge
Speaker 6: each other. So the fact that the blocking had him
Speaker 6: kind of like tuck behind his car, and it was like,
Speaker 6: is Nathan aware why the energy was very like lurker creepy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would have made so much more sense to
Speaker 3: acknowledge each other, to make it look like Julian's doing something,
Speaker 3: not stalking people. Yeah, and then you know, even see,
Speaker 3: you could have seen Nathan kind of get lost in
Speaker 3: it and then catch himself because he knows his friend
Speaker 3: is there. But to your point, Rob, it's like it's
Speaker 3: the flattest, most open space in all of Wilmington, and
Speaker 3: supposedly he doesn't see a giant old Ford truck and
Speaker 3: a man who's six ' three standing there looking at
Speaker 3: him like, what are we talking about?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well he did.
Speaker 4: He must have seen him. Julian must have told him
Speaker 4: blah blah blah, the camera this program, can I shoot you?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 2: But then awkward.
Speaker 6: All it took was the slightest head nod between each
Speaker 6: other even and you'd be like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah cool.
Speaker 4: Part of me hates picking this stuff apart, but I
Speaker 4: also feel like I love the critical thinking aspect of
Speaker 4: it because so often we I think it just happens
Speaker 4: more and more in TV, especially for this demographic where
Speaker 4: it gets a little lazy. People are whoever's running the
Speaker 4: show is just like it doesn't really matter, and kids
Speaker 4: are getting used to not having to critically think. They're
Speaker 4: just they just accept it because everything is a little
Speaker 4: bit suspended beyond belief in my opinion.
Speaker 2: But I see it happened with my daughter. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: this doesn't make any sense, and she's just like, whatever,
Speaker 2: it's just TV. I'm like, yeah, but it's storytelling.
Speaker 4: Should make sense that how else are you supposed to
Speaker 4: be emotionally affected by something if there's this part of
Speaker 4: your brain that's just like, yeah, but how did it,
Speaker 4: how did you get there?
Speaker 2: And what happened?
Speaker 4: And when it's not that hard to tie up the
Speaker 4: loose ends, I think we should do it.
Speaker 2: That's my rant.
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate the rant, and I also appreciate that
Speaker 3: because listen, there's a weird thing and I think we
Speaker 3: certainly we definitely experienced this. Rob Like when we first
Speaker 3: started the show, I think there was a little bit
Speaker 3: of shock from some of the fans that were like, whoa,
Speaker 3: you guys point out a lot of things that aren't great,
Speaker 3: and I never want to seem like we're complaining but
Speaker 3: what I do appreciate is saying this could be better.
Speaker 3: And in a way, yeah, we're reliving these great memories
Speaker 3: we all had together, but we're kind of film schooling
Speaker 3: our show.
Speaker 6: Yes, like this is what you do.
Speaker 3: In film school, and I do appreciate it. And what
Speaker 3: I don't want to do is the thing that the
Speaker 3: writers would do, which is sort of the role you
Speaker 3: just played, right, joy being like, well, the assumption is
Speaker 3: they've talked about this off camera, and who cares. You
Speaker 3: don't need to see it on camera because the most
Speaker 3: interesting thing and that's actually not true. That's just lazy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I like that we're willing to say that and
Speaker 3: do that, And like, I don't know. I didn't go
Speaker 3: to film school and kind of wish I had. And
Speaker 3: for anyone out there who didn't go to film school either,
Speaker 3: you're welcome. Welcome to class.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and pointing out stuff like that isn't like, isn't
Speaker 6: like knocking the show as a whole. It's not saying
Speaker 6: we don't like the show. It's it's the same way
Speaker 6: like when I watch a movie. Unfortunately, I noticed when
Speaker 6: a character's glass goes from full in one shot to
Speaker 6: then empty the next shot and then full again. It's
Speaker 6: like I can't not notice these things. But it doesn't
Speaker 6: mean like the movie's not good. No, it's not the case. Also,
Speaker 6: to be fair, listen, TV's fast and loose, and sometimes
Speaker 6: it can be really lazy. Also, there are some days
Speaker 6: where there are only so many fires you can put out. Yeah,
Speaker 6: this might have been a day where there was like
Speaker 6: three more like more pressing fires, and by fire, I
Speaker 6: just mean like a problem, and this was the smallest,
Speaker 6: and they were just they could they didn't have the
Speaker 6: time for it. Yeah, you know, because TV moves so fast,
Speaker 6: you know, it's so ambitious. So sometimes it's just like, cool,
Speaker 6: we have three trash cans and two lids. What are
Speaker 6: we going to address?
Speaker 2: A couple of other things.
Speaker 4: I noticed though, when he flipped that camera, when he
Speaker 4: turned the recording off, it went to a green light.
Speaker 2: Did you notice that? Yeah, so it looks like he hadn't.
Speaker 4: Been recording the whole time. And then when he turned
Speaker 4: the camera quote unquote off, the green light turned on.
Speaker 4: Although I guess when you record, a red light runs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the red light runs when you're recorded.
Speaker 4: Why would a green light go on when he turned
Speaker 4: it off? It was a full green light. Was so strange?
Speaker 3: Was that supposed to help you make sure you knew
Speaker 3: you weren't recording?
Speaker 4: Maybe, except that green means go generally. But I don't
Speaker 4: know whatever. It was just some random thing. But the
Speaker 4: other thing was, did anybody catch the giant boom behind
Speaker 4: Nathan's head when he and I were talking in the kitchen. No,
Speaker 4: we took up half the frame, Guys on the left.
Speaker 4: I should have stopped and screenshotted it for you.
Speaker 3: Like when he comes home from having beers with Julian
Speaker 3: to tell you that kitchen scene.
Speaker 4: Yes, we're standing in the kitchen and it's over his
Speaker 4: shoulder onto me. It's one of my first lines, and
Speaker 4: the rest of the scene is popped in close on
Speaker 4: my face and you can tell it's because that's the
Speaker 4: only take they had, for whatever reason, in the shot,
Speaker 4: and there was a boom in the shot and so
Speaker 4: they had to cut deep into the shots. So I
Speaker 4: was like uber close and Nathan was just sort of
Speaker 4: like his normal, you know, neck up.
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, so what's interesting about that scene? I know
Speaker 3: we're jumping around, but I was watching the episode yesterday
Speaker 3: and my best friend was here, and you're at the stove,
Speaker 3: and he, like you know, walks in behind you, puts
Speaker 3: his bag on the counter, and she goes, why do
Speaker 3: they have joy in like seven inch platform heels? Isn't
Speaker 3: isn't Haley pregnant?
Speaker 2: And I said, and shorts and a jean jacket and
Speaker 2: a scarf.
Speaker 3: And I said, Babe, we all had to wear platforms
Speaker 3: every day because all the boys were so tall. It
Speaker 3: was the only way they could get us in the
Speaker 3: two shots. And then you walk up to him and
Speaker 3: she goes, oh my god, look how tiny she still is.
Speaker 3: And I said, yeah, we all like basically broke our
Speaker 3: feet for nine years because we needed to be in
Speaker 3: heels all the time. Otherwise they could shoot over any
Speaker 3: of the boy's shoulders. And she could not believe it.
Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, wait till you see.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've got the bunyan to prove it. Don't worry.
Speaker 3: Amazing hot, so hot. So I was paying attention to
Speaker 3: your shoes and I fully missed the boom is the
Speaker 3: pool boom?
Speaker 4: I may go back and screenshot it for you guys,
Speaker 4: just for the hell of it, because it really I
Speaker 4: couldn't believe it was. I actually rewound it just to
Speaker 4: make sure that I was seeing what I was seeing correctly.
Speaker 6: Wow, well, testament to you and James, because I really
Speaker 6: liked that scene and I didn't notice it. I was
Speaker 6: I think I was all in on the ride of
Speaker 6: you two and the story, and I had like normally
Speaker 6: that stuff jumps out at me, didn't even notice it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, good, that's good. Well, those are the only
Speaker 4: things about the you know, technic techno. Oh, for god's sake,
Speaker 4: joy tech technical technical?
Speaker 2: Why does this happen to me?
Speaker 6: Hey, you're doing great? Joy?
Speaker 2: Thanks guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all I had about that, those comments. But
Speaker 4: the lots at the storylines here, Yeah, where do we start?
Speaker 4: Where do you guys want to start?
Speaker 3: Well, the Crisis Intervention Center feels kind of like a
Speaker 3: big thing. You know, we've watched Hailey channeling her experiences
Speaker 3: finding healthy outlets. The journaling gives us very early days
Speaker 3: Lucas voiceovers. It feels really sentimental. And then to see
Speaker 3: there was something about seeing you at that desk in
Speaker 3: that crisis center that gave me Hailey and the Tutor
Speaker 3: center energy. Yeah, and it really made me feel nostalgic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought so too. I remember shooting that stuff.
Speaker 4: I thought it was such a nice idea for Haley.
Speaker 4: I wonder if she keeps going back to work there,
Speaker 4: because I can't remember what's happening with this storyline remember either,
Speaker 4: But I know they used I'm pretty sure they used
Speaker 4: that voice at the end, the Irish accent, because we're
Speaker 4: going to meet her and we need to be able
Speaker 4: to recognize her right away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't.
Speaker 2: Remember why or how.
Speaker 4: Yes, I did really love that for Haley. It seems
Speaker 4: like a good transition for her since she's not teaching anymore.
Speaker 4: And I don't know what what is Hailey doing right now?
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess.
Speaker 6: She's growing a human being.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, you don't really need to be.
Speaker 4: It's not like she's on bed rest or something. I
Speaker 4: don't know why she's I don't know what she's doing.
Speaker 3: Because didn't mea just go on tour. You guys just
Speaker 3: finished me as album? Yeah she's on tour. Maybe, Yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe this is your sort of pause after that big
Speaker 3: creative project.
Speaker 4: Well, and her sister just got shot and her mom
Speaker 4: just died, so yeah, maybe she's just taken a break
Speaker 4: of life.
Speaker 6: And Nathan should be at camp right now, so you
Speaker 6: are probably just staying home to hold the four done.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's true too, Okay, okay, yeah, So Crisis Intervention
Speaker 4: Center feels like a nice moment for her to be
Speaker 4: able to take some time to do some good, do
Speaker 4: something for the community, keep busy, because Haley likes to
Speaker 4: be busy, but not take up her whole day.
Speaker 5: I liked it too.
Speaker 3: I have another observation from my best friend who was
Speaker 3: here yesterday. When you realize it's Junk on the phone
Speaker 3: and you go, hey buddy, seem he goes, oh, how emasculating?
Speaker 3: We were hackling, and it's like, well, what do you say?
Speaker 3: What do you say? And just that Hayley and hey buddy,
Speaker 3: quick was so good. I liked getting Collin's voice in there.
Speaker 3: I wish we'd gotten to see him in the episode,
Speaker 3: but even just having Junk come in unexpectedly in that way,
Speaker 3: it really did give us a moment of levity that
Speaker 3: I thought was pretty great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe we get him back soon, I hope. So
Speaker 4: I really missed those River court boys, such.
Speaker 2: A good vibe.
Speaker 6: I loved the first time we see Victoria in the
Speaker 6: Big House. She already has an assistant and fear like
Speaker 6: she already has it all figured out and working for her.
Speaker 4: Of course, she's got the lingo down, she's got her,
Speaker 4: she's got her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, assistant, that'll be enough.
Speaker 3: Adele incredible, I wrote Victoria in prison already already has
Speaker 3: staff of course, oh tattoo staff. Oh her name's Adele.
Speaker 2: So much better than Calliope, so much better.
Speaker 3: She's so much better than Calliope. And somehow Daphne manages
Speaker 3: to have this incredible blowout. Yes, Like the volume in
Speaker 3: her hair is perfect, and she's talking about the quote
Speaker 3: captains of industry have done their best work while incarcerated.
Speaker 2: She's so unfazed.
Speaker 3: Unfazed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what else would you expect?
Speaker 6: But I do appreciate that on the show, penitentiaries and
Speaker 6: hospitals do not get in the way of good hair.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, never threatening trauma. Still going to have perfectly
Speaker 6: quaft hair. Incarcerated, still going to have a beautiful blowout.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's you know what. That's where the response it's
Speaker 3: TV kind of makes sense. Yes, Yeah, Like if I'm
Speaker 3: not going to get a little glamour here, where am
Speaker 3: I going to get it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's several different kinds of shows. There's the shows
Speaker 4: where it's really real and raw, and they're going for
Speaker 4: a specific look and a vibe that's not what we
Speaker 4: were doing.
Speaker 2: That's nice.
Speaker 6: This isn't orange is the new black. We don't need
Speaker 6: to like have a gritty portrayal of it. Let's just,
Speaker 6: you know, keep it light and polite and beautifully blown out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Victoria wanting the warden to change the color of
Speaker 4: the jumpsuit. What I would love to see though, is
Speaker 4: the next time Brooke visits her that all the jumpsuits
Speaker 4: like actually have been changed. They're all just like a
Speaker 4: nice cerulean or something.
Speaker 6: Yeah. The only penitentiary that has that has not orange
Speaker 6: jumpsuits like in the nation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was a pitch something about you know,
Speaker 3: mental health and the way colors motivate people, like she
Speaker 3: would have had it researched, Yeah, budgeted done, Although maybe
Speaker 3: we shouldn't be trusting Victoria with budgets, given where the
Speaker 3: end of the episode.
Speaker 6: Goes, Okay, this is one of those ones that could
Speaker 6: have been solved in two words student loan, Like, Okay,
Speaker 6: you lost your money invested in close over Bros. So
Speaker 6: you're gonna tell your kids she can't go to college.
Speaker 6: Why not just take out a student loan and still
Speaker 6: let her go to college.
Speaker 4: Yes, semantics for that particular guy's issue agreed.
Speaker 6: I just feel I felt like I felt for him,
Speaker 6: like this is that is horrible that this happened to you,
Speaker 6: and that this is like what the company did to
Speaker 6: you terrible. But I just didn't feel like at the end,
Speaker 6: I'm like, but you know, you can get a loan
Speaker 6: and she can still, Like, you don't have to tell
Speaker 6: her she doesn't. She can't go to college now like
Speaker 6: most people can't afford college. The vast majority of kids
Speaker 6: can't afford it.
Speaker 4: What I really liked about it though, that this guy,
Speaker 4: I mean as an actor. I don't know who what
Speaker 4: his name is, but I thought he did really great
Speaker 4: with that material because that had to have been I
Speaker 4: wonder how many I thought about how many people came
Speaker 4: in to read that audition scene and read it be
Speaker 4: like angry and bitter and a jerk, And he really was.
Speaker 2: I really didn't know where it was going to go.
Speaker 4: He was sweet, and it made the turn of the
Speaker 4: revelation of what he was there for even more effective.
Speaker 6: Well in the way he would occasionally slip into the
Speaker 6: past tense like he think he said she was is
Speaker 6: my daughter, like she was going to go to fashion school,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, yeah, as his daughter passed away, That's
Speaker 6: what I was worried about. Did Brook accidentally kill someone too? Like? Wow,
Speaker 6: is that that's going on? Victoria? What'd you do?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think what was interesting to me about it
Speaker 3: is at the time, I remember thinking, wow, God, this
Speaker 3: is just so sad, and I liked that it could
Speaker 3: be really personal and small for Brooke to be met with.
Speaker 3: You know, if someone starts talking to you about a
Speaker 3: crisis that's hundreds of millions of dollars, Like, what does
Speaker 3: that mean? None of us have ever seen that kind
Speaker 3: of money, you know, But to hear this girl whose
Speaker 3: face you now know, lost her college fund, that's that's
Speaker 3: an experience and an amount of you know, math that
Speaker 3: I think most of us can wrap our heads around.
Speaker 3: We don't need to sit and study the figures and
Speaker 3: ask a bunch of questions and what not to learn.
Speaker 3: It's a quick I get the problem, and you know,
Speaker 3: for her to be met with this is the real
Speaker 3: world effect of this enormous business problem. These hundreds of
Speaker 3: millions of dollars in all these stores and all these
Speaker 3: geographies and all these things. It personalized it really well.
Speaker 3: And on the flip side of, you know, being a
Speaker 3: person who's now been alive for almost twenty more years
Speaker 3: than I was when we filmed this, I was like,
Speaker 3: what do you mean you invested all of your money
Speaker 3: in her college fund, in my credit? What are you
Speaker 3: talking about? Who allowed you to do that? And why
Speaker 3: would you do that in a clothing company that was
Speaker 3: essentially raising So they're in some version of, you know,
Speaker 3: the realnds of startup phasing. Why wouldn't you put money
Speaker 3: into medical device stock? And like, I started asking all
Speaker 3: these questions about how insanely risky this man had been
Speaker 3: with his own child's future. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm really I'm taking myself out of the story here,
Speaker 3: because I want to know why nobody in this supposedly
Speaker 3: rich older man's life who's old enough to be my dad,
Speaker 3: told him to invest in the.
Speaker 6: S and B.
Speaker 3: Like I was so mad at him for being so
Speaker 3: reckless with his money and her future. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I've officially I'm in a very different phase of life
Speaker 3: than I was when we filmed this.
Speaker 4: I thought the same thing, and then immediately the next
Speaker 4: scene is thank god because somebody else in the writer's
Speaker 4: room thought the same thing too. Maybe it was Bill
Speaker 4: who wrote this episode. As Victorias say, what kind of
Speaker 4: an idiot invests everything they have in a clothing line?
Speaker 3: Anyway, exactly, it was really interesting.
Speaker 6: Okay, he was misguided, Like, how about you invest your kids'
Speaker 6: college fund money in a college fund?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, any high yield savings savings that's where it
Speaker 3: should be. Also, to our friends we've gotten from film
Speaker 3: school to finance, you're welcome, high yield savings account. If
Speaker 3: you don't have one, get one.
Speaker 4: Yeah that was it was say, but I did to
Speaker 4: what you were saying earlier. So the concept of someone
Speaker 4: who putting a real face to a real problem, I,
Speaker 4: especially at that age, always thought of investors as like
Speaker 4: shark tank people like people with just so much money,
Speaker 4: money that they could stand to lose a few you know,
Speaker 4: one hundred thousand here or there, fifty thousand or whatever
Speaker 4: it is. It's like, Okay, it's just one of many
Speaker 4: a multifaceted portfolio.
Speaker 3: And it's not that for so many people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I man, I loved this storyline for Brook
Speaker 4: and it's the I was gonna say, she's come so far,
Speaker 4: but I think this has always been who I think
Speaker 4: this is who Brook's always been. No matter when this
Speaker 4: would have happened. If it was something like this in
Speaker 4: high school, I think she still would have ultimately done
Speaker 4: the right thing.
Speaker 2: But it's really.
Speaker 4: Nice to see it was just really nice to see
Speaker 4: it in person. Feel the weight of that of like, yeah,
Speaker 4: everything that I have and everything that I own, the
Speaker 4: confidence of knowing that you can rebuild that there there
Speaker 4: there will there will always be more ideas, there will
Speaker 4: always be more opportunities for her, and to be able
Speaker 4: to just do the right thing and make that sacrifice, Like,
Speaker 4: oh wow, that really got me. It was beautiful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the things I liked too. And I
Speaker 3: you know, I remember the whole storyline obviously, but the
Speaker 3: details are the things we discover when we watch every week.
Speaker 3: I loved that in the midst of this sadness, Julian
Speaker 3: took her to the Biltmore estate to say, I want
Speaker 3: you to have your fairy tale. I want you to
Speaker 3: have this. I mean it looks like the Disney Castle
Speaker 3: but better, right. Yeah, And Brooke has wanted this love
Speaker 3: story forever because she didn't grow up with it didn't
Speaker 3: experience it. It was never modeled for her. And I liked
Speaker 3: the actual visual backdrop of her with her man standing
Speaker 3: in front of this castle, dreaming about their wedding, and
Speaker 3: then still that thing percolating for her, and she says,
Speaker 3: is this appropriate? Is it okay to have this? And
Speaker 3: he says, look, when we look back at our wedding,
Speaker 3: we're not going to remember this. We're going to remember
Speaker 3: our wedding. And she's already nervous about being happy. And
Speaker 3: then when she sees this man and she sees how
Speaker 3: it's affected his family. I like that. Then she's put
Speaker 3: in this room and everything's dark and she's in this
Speaker 3: huge leather chair and she looks like a little kid
Speaker 3: again and she has to do this brave thing and
Speaker 3: she's literally going to give up this kind of fairy
Speaker 3: tale she built for herself. Yeah, and it does take
Speaker 3: an immense amount of courage and oof. I just was like,
Speaker 3: oh man, because it wasn't even her mistake, but it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. It's, you know, the right thing to do,
Speaker 3: and she knows it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But like Joyce said, I found myself going, this is
Speaker 6: the right thing to do, And like Brooks, the secret,
Speaker 6: Sauce Brooks the magic. This isn't like they developed an
Speaker 6: app and now she has to sell the company and
Speaker 6: it's like, well, I have nothing. It's like what made
Speaker 6: this work was Brooke and her talent. So again, it's
Speaker 6: not an easy thing to do. But you know, she
Speaker 6: could always start up a new label, or she could
Speaker 6: go design for another really high end late like you
Speaker 6: know what I mean, Like she has options. It's not
Speaker 6: like all is lost in doing this. Again. Doesn't make
Speaker 6: it easy, but it does help it make sense, you know.
Speaker 6: And I agree with what you said earlier. Enjoyed the
Speaker 6: gentleman who played the dad. I think it is such
Speaker 6: an easy trap to fall into when you are a
Speaker 6: guest star with one scene, to go big because you
Speaker 6: want to you want to make an impression. And I
Speaker 6: bet so many of the auditions were real big and
Speaker 6: real heated. But there's such a nice confidence and pulling
Speaker 6: that back and letting it sort of simmer. And yeah,
Speaker 6: he did, he did.
Speaker 2: He did great.
Speaker 6: It was very believable and very effective.
Speaker 3: It was nice.
Speaker 6: Can we talk about Chase and Alex they are so cute.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, I know exactly what you're like. Are
Speaker 3: we joking because I have the same yea, and yet
Speaker 3: they're so cute together. Janna and Stevens chemistry is so great,
Speaker 3: and she managed no matter what they put her in,
Speaker 3: and no matter what creepy, hyper sexualized scenarios they wrote
Speaker 3: for her, she managed to act in those scenes like
Speaker 3: just the sweetest, funniest girl.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 3: She gave me such Skipper energy, remember when like Barbie
Speaker 3: released the Kid's Sister Skipper Like she she managed in
Speaker 3: the tennis skirt with the corset ties and the crop
Speaker 3: top and the thing she just she was so playful
Speaker 3: and wonderful, and it's such like a It's such a
Speaker 3: piece of Janna's energy that she brought. And I was
Speaker 3: like wow watching them man to be so freakin cute
Speaker 3: in what was arguably like really icky material. I wanted
Speaker 3: to give them a round of applause.
Speaker 4: And I really enjoyed watching Stephen Kletty in this episode.
Speaker 4: I always enjoy watching him. He's so he just feels
Speaker 4: so grounded on screen, which is funny because I remember
Speaker 4: working with him in person. He's got a lot of
Speaker 4: nervous energy. It's just a lot of like moving his
Speaker 4: fingers a lot, and he's kind of like bouncing around
Speaker 4: on his toes a lot, and there's just this sense
Speaker 4: of like whatever is going on internally, and it does
Speaker 4: not necessarily even a negative nervousness. It's just this sort
Speaker 4: of like things are percolating. And so when the camera
Speaker 4: goes on the fact that all of that seems to
Speaker 4: go away and he's just so solid. He was just there, confident, chill,
Speaker 4: not not trying to prove anything. He was like perfect
Speaker 4: boyfriend material. In this episode in particular, I was super
Speaker 4: super crushing on this character.
Speaker 2: Love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's hitting some sort of stride in himself and
Speaker 3: as an actor. And I love that you just mirrored
Speaker 3: her dialogue because I feel like, in a way, by
Speaker 3: the end of their golf date, Alex was sort of
Speaker 3: saying what all the girls were thinking and it was
Speaker 3: so sweet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cute.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they kudos to both of them, and especially Janna.
Speaker 6: She's she's a trooper. She's made a teflon because no
Speaker 6: matter how hard they try, it just sort of she
Speaker 6: just kind of rolls with it. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 6: like the the outfit, I'm like, all right, ky, uh sure,
Speaker 6: But then I love Pete. But the opening the shot
Speaker 6: of the of up her skirt. I was like, how
Speaker 6: hat on a hat? Does this need to be? Like
Speaker 6: we get it? Like we we it's a visual medium.
Speaker 6: We see what you've dressed her in.
Speaker 4: But who knows what instructions Pete's getting true? But I
Speaker 4: felt like Pete was always so protective of us, always
Speaker 4: looking out to try so that those kinds of things
Speaker 4: feel like when something seems uncharacteristic of a person, You're like, Okay,
Speaker 4: what other thing could have happened that would have made
Speaker 4: him need to do this? And there were a lot
Speaker 4: of phone calls coming in from La.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of the stuff I noticed too, even that shot.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we have to describe it. I
Speaker 3: feel gross describing it. Imagine having to say to Jana,
Speaker 3: this is what I need you to do. But you know,
Speaker 3: she's standing there with her legs spread apart in this
Speaker 3: mini skirt and they're shooting up between her legs. And
Speaker 3: one of the things I noticed is as the shot moves,
Speaker 3: they start to get wider and kind of pan around,
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, are they trying to do
Speaker 3: what they've been told but also get out of it
Speaker 3: as quickly as they can. And then even when this,
Speaker 3: I mean, you said it. Rob kudos to Jana when
Speaker 3: she's got to stand there again and bend over and
Speaker 3: supposedly isn't wearing underwear and all these guys are crashing
Speaker 3: their golf carts into each other that they didn't They
Speaker 3: only ever shot her from straight on from the front. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 3: I'm sure they were asked to get other angles and
Speaker 3: there just weren't any. And I appreciated that, and I
Speaker 3: appreciate it even that when she goes around and sits
Speaker 3: in the passenger seat of the golf cart early on,
Speaker 3: like somebody told her, Oh, put your feet up and
Speaker 3: cross your feet in front of you, because that's how
Speaker 3: we're going to block you in the shot. And I,
Speaker 3: as gross as it was, I could also see little things.
Speaker 3: And to your point, maybe I'm projecting because I know
Speaker 3: how amazing our crew was and how they had our
Speaker 3: backs then and they still have our backs, you know now.
Speaker 3: But I was like, Ooh, I feel like I can
Speaker 3: see some of our people looking out for our people,
Speaker 3: and I liked it.
Speaker 4: In the middle of it, that's when like the director
Speaker 4: gets with the ad and they're like the scene where
Speaker 4: she bends over, that's the last thing on the docket
Speaker 4: and we're losing the light. Sorry, we can't get.
Speaker 3: Any more ang, Oh no, we can't get any more
Speaker 3: of the shots. We lost the lights. Sorry sorry, La.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all we had.
Speaker 4: And those are the things that that's the real boots
Speaker 4: on the ground and how a crew protects the actors.
Speaker 4: There's so many things that go on by the seeds
Speaker 4: that you guys don't know about.
Speaker 2: It's so great.
Speaker 3: But I and I'm really glad we're talking about this
Speaker 3: because I know that sometimes when we when we have
Speaker 3: unmasked some of what was really hard and bad, it
Speaker 3: makes people who loved the show feel really sad because
Speaker 3: they're like, oh my god, did I love a painful thing?
Speaker 3: But you also loved a thing that was so good
Speaker 3: and where people showed up for each other and where
Speaker 3: people would yeah, like ride for each other, and yeah,
Speaker 3: sometimes you we'd have a bunch of guys be like,
Speaker 3: I guess we're just gonna have to lose the light.
Speaker 2: So is Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3: I just want to say that because I don't want
Speaker 3: anyone at home to be like, oh no, it's like yeah,
Speaker 3: there's some oh no, but there's so much more. Hell Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that feels special.
Speaker 4: Absolutely every community, whether it's a workplace or a school
Speaker 4: or a group of friends or whatever, there's always some
Speaker 4: big bad that they're an obstacle or you know, a
Speaker 4: person or whatever the situation is that you know, you
Speaker 4: got to you got to come together and figure out
Speaker 4: how to how to overcome and protect each other.
Speaker 2: And it's okay.
Speaker 4: So don't look at our show and think it's some
Speaker 4: sort of completely out of the ordinary situation. Like we're
Speaker 4: all facings as different, the little communities that we have
Speaker 4: all over the place. We're all facing ways that we
Speaker 4: can band together.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and there's always room for improvement, you know. It
Speaker 6: just happened that on some of our experiences had to
Speaker 6: do with like morality as opposed to dialogue, you know.
Speaker 6: And yeah, and I wasn't hanging that on Pistol p
Speaker 6: because you're absolutely right, he did look out for us
Speaker 6: a lot, And you're right, the rest of the scene
Speaker 6: there wasn't a single suggestive frame.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 6: I mean you didn't need to because the dialogue was
Speaker 6: already like it's it's the way that they banter, it's
Speaker 6: so great. But I like, at one point I watched
Speaker 6: like I was watching two good actors make the best
Speaker 6: of some like tricky lines, like when he's giving her
Speaker 6: a pointer and he goes, all right, just keep your
Speaker 6: head down. In fact, I wrote it down. Also, he
Speaker 6: had an amazing They did a profile shot of the
Speaker 6: two of them in the cart, and Steven's hair looks
Speaker 6: like the most incredible pompadour.
Speaker 3: I wrote this down too. I was like, Steven's hair
Speaker 3: looks extra good this episode.
Speaker 6: It was it was large and in charge. But he says,
Speaker 6: he goes, just keep your head down. You know how
Speaker 6: to keep your head down, don't you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But he said it so straight. He just read
Speaker 2: it straight.
Speaker 6: Like he he sold it as best you could. But
Speaker 6: I'm like, and there's another part too, where it was
Speaker 6: odd that when she goes like, I'm wearing underwear and
Speaker 6: she bends over and all the guys are are so
Speaker 6: blown away that they crash their golf carts and then
Speaker 6: he has to turn around and go my girlfriend prey
Speaker 6: as if he's like stoked, But it was again he
Speaker 6: sold it. But when you look at the words, you're like, what,
Speaker 6: that's the part of her you're proud of?
Speaker 4: Huh, you know what I've What's you're making a great point, Rob,
Speaker 4: because he didn't.
Speaker 2: He didn't sell it like it was written.
Speaker 4: The way it was written was hey, hey, this is
Speaker 4: what I'm proud of what you're talking about. But he
Speaker 4: sold it like a guy who's going she's she's wild,
Speaker 4: she's brave, like she's she is. I'm not sure where
Speaker 4: she's coming from or what her deal is right now,
Speaker 4: or why she's chosen to do that, but I'm I'm
Speaker 4: not impressed, nor am I embarrassed. I'm just here for
Speaker 4: you in whatever state you're in, and I'm along for
Speaker 4: the ride and I support you. That's what I mean
Speaker 4: by good boyfriend energy. It was like she's doing something
Speaker 4: really outrageous that would elicit a huge reaction out of
Speaker 4: most guys. And the fact that he's just like, nah,
Speaker 4: you can't really phase me.
Speaker 2: Love you. I mean he didn't say love you, but
Speaker 2: you know that vibe.
Speaker 3: It felt so but kind of he did. By the end,
Speaker 3: which is where I want to go, I thought it
Speaker 3: was so sweet and as much as you know you
Speaker 3: said it, Rob, they had to really make a meal
Speaker 3: out of some scraps in moments of this whole storyline,
Speaker 3: when they get to the beat, nearing the end of
Speaker 3: the game where he says, well, you might not have
Speaker 3: been in love with any of them, but I bet
Speaker 3: they were in love with you. I was like, oh, Jase,
Speaker 3: you love her, You're falling in love with her, And
Speaker 3: I just loved it. I thought it was so sweet
Speaker 3: and yeah, I like their energy together so much.
Speaker 6: This whole thing surprising because, like I said, I had
Speaker 6: no recollection of them ever being together, so I just
Speaker 6: assumed it was going to be like a one or
Speaker 6: two episode thing and then that he'd get right back
Speaker 6: with Mia. But then I was watching this going, oh, there,
Speaker 6: he's they're courting each other like they're yeah, they're playing
Speaker 6: this slow, like they're building an actual, real foundation here,
Speaker 6: and and then the way it ended, it was obviously
Speaker 6: like things look promising for these two.
Speaker 2: It'd be interesting to see where this goes.
Speaker 3: I do not remember, by the way, Okay, wait, I
Speaker 3: do have one more note on shots, because I wrote
Speaker 3: this down like joy when you talk about how they
Speaker 3: had to punch in with you and and the Hayley
Speaker 3: Nathan stuff in the kitchen, you guys are sitting in
Speaker 3: the hospital talking and it's so sweet, and I love
Speaker 3: the way that in both the Clay and Nathan in
Speaker 3: the hospital and then Julian and Nathan at the bar.
Speaker 3: I love that we're getting to see our men be
Speaker 3: really vulnerable with each other and and have these big conversations,
Speaker 3: but they're also having them kind of facing forward because
Speaker 3: of the way, you know, the bar seats face, the
Speaker 3: way the hospital bed faces. It's like, sometimes I find
Speaker 3: it easier to go on a walk with someone and
Speaker 3: talk about something really emotional rather than sit at the
Speaker 3: table and do it. Yeah, And I was really touched
Speaker 3: by these emotional conversations between men. And there's a moment
Speaker 3: that I loved so much because you guys are having
Speaker 3: this chat. Rob You're in the bed and James is
Speaker 3: sitting next to you, and they punch in on these
Speaker 3: close ups and he's got his head lean back on
Speaker 3: the hospital chair and it's like a bluish color. You've
Speaker 3: got your head on your pillow and it's kind of
Speaker 3: a bluish color, and suddenly it looks like you two
Speaker 3: are in bed together. And I was like, wait, like
Speaker 3: I had grabbed my coffee looked up and I was like,
Speaker 3: did I miss something? And then I was like, also, not, no,
Speaker 3: you guys are very cute, and then it pushed back
Speaker 3: out and I was like, all right, all right, they're
Speaker 3: just like sitting next to each other. But I was like, God,
Speaker 3: there's good. There's just so much good chemistry between all
Speaker 3: of you. And I buy that you all love each other.
Speaker 3: I buy that when you said, you know, you would
Speaker 3: have ruined your career and he's like, no, this like
Speaker 3: that's just a game. This wasn't a hard decision for me.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like that you're getting to say to each other
Speaker 3: like I love you so much, my friend, and I
Speaker 3: can't imagine living without you without necessarily having to like say,
Speaker 3: it feels very feels very like sweet dude time.
Speaker 6: Yeah. The word I had for I wrote was I
Speaker 6: love the scene between Clain Quinn. I love the sincerity
Speaker 6: and I love that it was just it was just honorable,
Speaker 6: excuse me, vulnerable, honest talk, and they didn't do the
Speaker 6: trophy thing of But then a guy has to make
Speaker 6: a joke, Yes, hey I love you, bro, don't take
Speaker 6: it that way, you know. Like however, Yeah, the thing
Speaker 6: that they feel like they need to do with guys
Speaker 6: where it's like, in order to be vulnerable, they also
Speaker 6: have to couch it in humor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so relieved that they didn't have Nathan go
Speaker 3: and how would I make any money without you anyway? Man?
Speaker 3: Like something late. Yeah, I liked that you you two
Speaker 3: together and him later with Austin, like everyone's just saying
Speaker 3: the thing and it's really nice to see.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I love that level of maturity. And when he
Speaker 4: tells Julian to say, tell Brooke, don't be afraid of
Speaker 4: what comes next, oh, like that was just so great,
Speaker 4: really encouraging and heartening. And the fact that he's sitting
Speaker 4: there and he makes this decision so quickly. When Julian's
Speaker 4: talks about baseball and Nathan's like baseball Wait what It's.
Speaker 3: Like, No, I'm out. I gotta like what am I doing?
Speaker 2: What am I doing?
Speaker 6: And it was almost like he was he was giving
Speaker 6: himself advice and saying, tellbrook not to be afraid of
Speaker 6: the future. Yes, Yeah, it was sort of him kind
Speaker 6: of girding himself for what he was about to share
Speaker 6: with Haley.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And speaking of Austin and the perpetual attempted emasculation of
Speaker 6: Austin love. I love the whole thing with the bringing
Speaker 6: flowers right because to me so it's just a sweet gesture.
Speaker 6: First flowers there, beautiful. I loved that he stops the
Speaker 6: door and he's like, by the way, I'm the one
Speaker 6: who actually picked those flowers out, and Hayley's like, oh okay,
Speaker 6: and then he circles in to be to actually explain specifically.
Speaker 6: I was hoping for these. I couldn't get these. I
Speaker 6: thought these really filled it out. And I just laughed
Speaker 6: because I sort of I wondered, is this one of
Speaker 6: those attempts to make him quirky as opposed to like
Speaker 6: sexy leading man. But then when I laughed, I was going,
Speaker 6: but he's so comfortable in himself that it's incredibly backfired
Speaker 6: to me.
Speaker 2: I was completely Yes, that's.
Speaker 6: A dude who is grounded in himself and he's comfortable,
Speaker 6: and it just it's pretty awesome that he doesn't care
Speaker 6: that like how it looks. He's just like, I'm going
Speaker 6: to tell you why I love your bouquet and why
Speaker 6: I picked it out for you. Yeah, it's endearing.
Speaker 3: Man. Very totally agree.
Speaker 2: He's a master at that. I love that.
Speaker 4: Austin, and I've said this about him before, he always
Speaker 4: just said exactly what was on the page. I very
Speaker 4: rarely remember or Austin ever changing a line. He really
Speaker 4: always strove to just say what was on the page,
Speaker 4: and he Oh, he's a master at figuring it out,
Speaker 4: figuring out how to Oh, they're going to try and
Speaker 4: to masculate me. That's all right, and I know what
Speaker 4: I'm going to do. There's a level of confidence it
Speaker 4: takes to just do what you're gonna do, say what's
Speaker 4: on the page, same thing that Stephen did, but you
Speaker 4: do it from a place of authenticity and can't.
Speaker 2: They can't take him down. Baby.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I had a director tell me one time that there's
Speaker 6: something there's a lot of stuff like going on with
Speaker 6: the episode. Was like it was a tricky thing or
Speaker 6: something and there was issues, and I said, like, what
Speaker 6: are you gonna do? And she said, I'll get my revenge.
Speaker 6: I'm going to shoot their script. And I love that
Speaker 6: sort of like Austin going like, I'll get my revenge.
Speaker 6: I'm going to say your words. But then it doesn't,
Speaker 6: it doesn't go the way that whoever thought it was
Speaker 6: going to go.
Speaker 2: No, it makes him more attractive.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 3: It's something he manages to do so well in those moments.
Speaker 3: It's something Jan is managing to do so well. It's
Speaker 3: like everyone really has such ownership of their characters, I
Speaker 3: think at this point. And I loved too, the way
Speaker 3: he chose to come back in and be like, Okay,
Speaker 3: so here's my thought process because he knew you would
Speaker 3: appreciate it. You had said, well, they're the nicest ones.
Speaker 3: Of course they're from Brook and he's like, actually me,
Speaker 3: and because you love it, he wants to let you
Speaker 3: in on his little you know, thought process is his
Speaker 3: little secret, and he talks about it in a very
Speaker 3: similar way that he talks to Brooke about the camera
Speaker 3: he's working with and how he's testing it out and
Speaker 3: he's part of this new director program and whatever. And
Speaker 3: what I loved about it and what I wrote down
Speaker 3: here and I love that you saw it.
Speaker 4: Rob Is.
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, Julian just makes everything into art,
Speaker 3: like that's his job. He's a director. He sees everything
Speaker 3: as something he can make true and beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I liked it.
Speaker 3: He brought that energy to this thing that could have
Speaker 3: been weird and he just made it. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is my other art project.
Speaker 6: It's great, right, Julian has big, open heart energy Because
Speaker 6: I think what's also happening in this scene and circling
Speaker 6: back and telling Haley how he he picked it out,
Speaker 6: He arranged this himself. He's doing two things. He's saying, One,
Speaker 6: I care about you guys enough to spend my time
Speaker 6: creating something beautiful for you. And two, it's an invitation
Speaker 6: for Haley to kind of see him and get to
Speaker 6: know him a little more. Like it's an invite in
Speaker 6: you know, because he could have just walked out the
Speaker 6: dorm and like whatever, I'm the one who did it,
Speaker 6: you know. But yeah, he's Yeah, he's great. And speaking
Speaker 6: of Haley, how about Haley showing up as just the
Speaker 6: like all time Hall of Fame sister. Yeah, this episode,
Speaker 6: the Hailey Quinn stuff I thought was awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, It's just it's a lot. Yeah, Hailey's always It's
Speaker 4: nice to see her go into caretaker mode. It's a
Speaker 4: really natural The nurturing is a really natural space for her.
Speaker 6: The washing of her hair, it was very sweet.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good space for Haley. I feel like
Speaker 2: it was good for me too.
Speaker 4: I remember shooting a lot of that stuff, and I
Speaker 4: feel like I was at my happiest on set when
Speaker 4: Haley was in caretaker mode was nice.
Speaker 3: There's something about it to the journey that you've been
Speaker 3: on as a character. I think one of the greatest
Speaker 3: traumas of people who go through loss, you know, in
Speaker 3: life or family that is quick, like you guys did
Speaker 3: as sisters with your mom, you know, to find out
Speaker 3: Lydia was sick and have it be so fast. It's
Speaker 3: like a compounded trauma. And the kind of I don't
Speaker 3: want to call it a second chance that feels maybe
Speaker 3: a little icky, but the opportunity to, in the face
Speaker 3: of potentially another loss of that magnitude, get kind of
Speaker 3: the second chance, like Quinn winds up being okay, and
Speaker 3: you get to not only love her because she's your
Speaker 3: sister and you want to be there and nurturing is
Speaker 3: natural for Haley and all these things, but you get
Speaker 3: to kind of love her, show up for her, take
Speaker 3: care of her, cook for her, do the things for
Speaker 3: her that you don't get to do for your mom anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that you didn't really get much time to do
Speaker 3: for your mom. And I should say for her mom.
Speaker 3: I'm personalizing it and now it makes me feel weird.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't want to put that energy in
Speaker 3: the world. But you know what I mean, Like it
Speaker 3: would have been meaningful anyway to watch Haley and Quinn
Speaker 3: go through this experience and Haley Quinn and Clay and
Speaker 3: Nathan and the whole thing, but watching it happen after
Speaker 3: the loss of a mother for me as a viewer,
Speaker 3: made it twice as touching.
Speaker 6: Yeah I'm glad, Yeah boomshot aside, I thought the scene
Speaker 6: with Haley and Nathan in the kitchen was beautiful and
Speaker 6: had the same takeaway. I have a lot of times
Speaker 6: with scenes with them where it's just like they're a
Speaker 6: great team, you know. I love that Haley's first reaction
Speaker 6: wasn't what are we going to do financially? She was like,
Speaker 6: is this what you want? Like she was just checking
Speaker 6: in with her person, which so great. And then there's
Speaker 6: a lot of integrity, right because it's like then we
Speaker 6: see Brooks signing away all liquidating all of her own
Speaker 6: personal fortune assets to pay people back. It's like, Wow,
Speaker 6: that's integrity. And then Nathan shows up to Clay and
Speaker 6: Quinn's and listen, I love the idea behind where you're going, buddy.
Speaker 6: I love you trying to be of service for your friend.
Speaker 6: But yeah, maybe the room covered in four day old
Speaker 6: dried blood. Maybe that's a for a professional.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not gonna come out.
Speaker 2: Also, isn't it a crime scene.
Speaker 6: It's a crime scene. There's still police tape on the door.
Speaker 6: I was like, I think, maybe.
Speaker 2: You're not supposed to do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe you're That was one of those moments where
Speaker 3: I was like, even a Stanley steamer would not get
Speaker 3: that out. No, you have to rip up the carpet. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you have to have somebody come it. You got to
Speaker 3: sand that door and repaint it, like sweetheart. And I
Speaker 3: was so that was one of those moments where again
Speaker 3: our crew is so great because whatever mixture they made
Speaker 3: to put into that rug so he could actually start
Speaker 3: getting the stain out. Like I watched the stain start lifting,
Speaker 3: and I was like, what's in there? What is in there?
Speaker 3: That's not organic material? And I love the intention behind
Speaker 3: it so much, but yeah, what I would have appreciated
Speaker 3: was like him trying to get it out, realizing it's
Speaker 3: not coming up, feeling overwhelmed, and like googling a carpet
Speaker 3: company and being like I need you to come rip
Speaker 3: out all these carpets.
Speaker 4: Like also, could we have got a message on Clay's
Speaker 4: phone or something like, hey, your house isn't a crime
Speaker 4: scene anymore, like and some I don't know how they
Speaker 4: tell you those things, but you're.
Speaker 3: Interfering with the crime scene.
Speaker 2: That's so crazy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was I'm still out there.
Speaker 6: Yeah he did that. But when I do, why, I
Speaker 6: don't mind it though. Was it's like there's a lot
Speaker 6: going on and he's just trying his best. Maybe he's
Speaker 6: not thinking critically. He's just like, my buddy's house is
Speaker 6: a disaster. I'm going to fix it for him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't need to come home to look at this.
Speaker 6: No, you just need to buy a new rug, get
Speaker 6: it professionally cleaned, or you just recarpet that room.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are people who do that crime scene clean
Speaker 4: up well. And I liked that we all knew and
Speaker 4: he knew what Quinn was asking. Yeah, and we all
Speaker 4: knew what he was saying.
Speaker 3: It's going to be good for you to go back
Speaker 3: there when you're ready, and he wants them to go
Speaker 3: back to the way it was before. It's so sweet.
Speaker 3: It's so lovely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And.
Speaker 3: What I appreciated it was weird. It was such a
Speaker 3: big swing because something nobody talks about is the fact
Speaker 3: that at a crime scene or when there is a
Speaker 3: medical emergency, the amts and police don't clean up. You know,
Speaker 3: you see all the gauze, You see the needles because
Speaker 3: they probably had to inject you guys with adrenaline. You know,
Speaker 3: you see the wreckage of them saving your life. That
Speaker 3: was very powerful to me. And then as powerful as
Speaker 3: it was to be honest about what it would look
Speaker 3: like in that room after an event like this, then
Speaker 3: it did the opposite where I was like, there is
Speaker 3: no way weeks old blood is coming out of that rug.
Speaker 3: And I was like, God, we did so good on
Speaker 3: the one hand, and then we just we pushed it.
Speaker 3: We knocked it right over with the other. But it
Speaker 3: was that's one of those moments where you go, it's
Speaker 3: the gesture, it's the thing. And even though I don't
Speaker 3: ever believe our answer for something that doesn't work should
Speaker 3: be oh, it happened off camera, I was like, I
Speaker 3: have to believe that. Maybe three minutes after we left
Speaker 3: him scrubbing, he called Stanley Steamer and the store.
Speaker 6: Because it wasn't you know, it wasn't like someone cracked
Speaker 6: their head open. It's like we were both shot and
Speaker 6: bled out for like something like twelve hours. Yeah, that's
Speaker 6: so much blood, so much a carpet and then being
Speaker 6: left for days, if not a week or two?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah floorboards.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but bless his heart, you know, as it's in.
Speaker 3: The less harmless.
Speaker 6: I think we should do honorable mentions and maybe a
Speaker 6: fan question. Sure, my honorable mention is going to be
Speaker 6: sweet Sweet Stephen Coletti and Janet Ramer. Yeah, they sold
Speaker 6: the heck out of that. They made it do a
Speaker 6: very charming store and it could have not gone that way.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: I'm on board with that as well.
Speaker 3: I was going to say the same, and now I'm like,
Speaker 3: should we toss it up? Because I know I feel
Speaker 3: like we all said the same last week. I'm going
Speaker 3: to give my honorable mention to Victoria's hair in prison,
Speaker 3: just for a little levity at the end of.
Speaker 4: The show, Like I want to know what she's using
Speaker 4: instead of belcrow rollers?
Speaker 2: Are there so many cans? Like how is she doing this?
Speaker 3: It must be That's a scene I'd like to see
Speaker 3: as well. When we get Victoria and Martha Stewart, we
Speaker 3: can see the coke can rollers for.
Speaker 4: Sure, Yeah, all right, do we have a question we do?
Speaker 6: It comes in from B. B Asks. I have watched
Speaker 6: seasons one through nine countless times, and I've never understood
Speaker 6: why Haley just stops being a teacher in seasons five
Speaker 6: and six, She's a teacher, gets fired, and then just
Speaker 6: never teaches again. A lot of work goes into becoming
Speaker 6: a teacher. It seems strange she just abandoned as a career.
Speaker 6: Why do you think the writers never had her go
Speaker 6: back and teach.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's a great point. I guess they forgot or
Speaker 4: maybe they felt like it just didn't serve the story anymore.
Speaker 4: They wanted to do other things. I don't know, because
Speaker 4: Hayley's doing a lot of When did I stop teaching?
Speaker 4: I get fired? And then what and then I started
Speaker 4: running the record label?
Speaker 3: Well that's the thing in season six, when you get fired,
Speaker 3: it's over such moral ground and wanting to do the
Speaker 3: right thing.
Speaker 2: And I mean, yeah, that would put you off for
Speaker 2: a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And also what a sort of premonition. I mean,
Speaker 3: look what teachers in our country are having to deal
Speaker 3: with all over the place right now. And at the
Speaker 3: same time as you're teaching and working on music, and
Speaker 3: then you're essentially told you can't allow a student to
Speaker 3: tell their truth and be who they are, which feels
Speaker 3: like the antithesis of what a school environment is supposed
Speaker 3: to be. Then Mia needs help, she needs a producer.
Speaker 3: A producer is essentially a teacher. It's kind of like
Speaker 3: being a college professor really.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like one on one really just like walking
Speaker 4: her through the ropes.
Speaker 3: So in my mind, Haley didn't stop teaching. She just
Speaker 3: she really pursued her greatest passion. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's why in this episode the crisis center feels
Speaker 3: so nostalgic to me, but it is an interesting.
Speaker 4: Point, Yeah, because you can see like the nurturing she
Speaker 4: wants to help. She wants to be a part of
Speaker 4: helping people and helping them grow into the best versions
Speaker 4: of themselves, or helping in small situations, and there's always.
Speaker 2: That's just always who she's been.
Speaker 4: So yeah, even though the classroom environment went away, I agree,
Speaker 4: I think she was still showing up and doing doing
Speaker 4: something to that effect well.
Speaker 6: And also on the non creative side, logistically, it is
Speaker 6: much easier from a production standpoint to have you doing
Speaker 6: red bedroom stuff where it's just you and one other
Speaker 6: person versus you and a school that they have to
Speaker 6: populate with sixty background actors.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and how many issues. I think they felt
Speaker 4: like we had been in the classroom for so long.
Speaker 4: And I think because the first four years was all
Speaker 4: in the classroom on the basketball court, and then as
Speaker 4: we moved on, I think the audience may have wanted
Speaker 4: and astutee that it is a stute that the writer's
Speaker 4: room would have noticed this, that it would be really
Speaker 4: helpful as a transition point for the audience to still
Speaker 4: be able to be in the classroom in some way
Speaker 4: with us as we transition into adulthood. But I think
Speaker 4: at some point it just served its purpose, like we
Speaker 4: had just run through all the storylines that we really
Speaker 4: could have without interfering too much on the larger group scale.
Speaker 3: And I also think there really is the This is
Speaker 3: where the sort of personal professional overlap happens too. You know,
Speaker 3: you are a musician. You are an incredible musician. You
Speaker 3: were writing music, you were writing musicals. You are I
Speaker 3: mean you, you moved to the music capital of America
Speaker 3: like you. You are a music a musical being in
Speaker 3: yourself as joy and so I also think given all
Speaker 3: of that and and what Haley as a musician allowed
Speaker 3: us to maintain on the show, particularly with Peyton leaving
Speaker 3: and you taking over Red bedroom, that I just think
Speaker 3: for both story and your creative inspiration, it made more sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, B thanks for asking.
Speaker 2: Great, it's a great question. Interesting. Okay, let's been a wheal.
Speaker 3: Let's do it, kiddos.
Speaker 4: It's so funny when they run this, we get to
Speaker 4: see like it running through all the all the different possibilities.
Speaker 2: I know, Oh how funny.
Speaker 6: Most likely to win the show survivor.
Speaker 2: To win not just be a contestant.
Speaker 6: Victoria Davis.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, one thousand percent yes. And it would come
Speaker 4: down to Victoria Davis and Dan Scott and Victoria would
Speaker 4: get the upper hand somehow, but for sure Victoria wins.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Dan would beg He'd be like, but be
Speaker 3: like the girl in the Hunger Games and save us
Speaker 3: both and Victoria would be like, no, I love it.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 4: Next episode, Season eight, episode five, Nobody taught us to quit.
Speaker 2: I wonder what's going to happen there?
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