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Speaker 1: us because we're gonna talk about your pick. If you're
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Speaker 1: at nine. So get ready for that one to two
Speaker 1: fifty three. Yeah. So just that's something amazing, the knowledge
Speaker 1: that you guys have, just something we take a lot
Speaker 1: of pride in and we're gonna do that. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to jump into this. We had a big trade.
Speaker 1: Actually we've had a couple of big trades. We talked
Speaker 1: about the Tennessee trade now Philadelphia and we called it.
Speaker 1: I mean we talked about this last week. Yeah, quarterbacks
Speaker 1: going one two and then Eagles being the most likely
Speaker 1: candidate to move up with the Browns for that orderback
Speaker 1: that's not going number one. So I think we saw
Speaker 1: this coming not a huge shock. The question was what
Speaker 1: would Philadelphia give up not having that second round pick,
Speaker 1: and they give up a lot even picks into twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: So for Cleveland makes sense. You know, they're building for
Speaker 1: the future. They were not head over heels for Carson Wentz,
Speaker 1: who we expect to be that pick. Where the Eagles
Speaker 1: the other way around. You know, they don't have that
Speaker 1: franchise caliber quarterback Sam Bradford the way his contract is structured,
Speaker 1: probably one and done and they're gonna cut him and
Speaker 1: then Chase Daniel you have as a backup. So theoretically
Speaker 1: we might not see Carson Wentz at all this year
Speaker 1: for the Eagles. I think that's fine. But a lot
Speaker 1: of people, and I'm sure a lot of people listening
Speaker 1: to this show do realize us. But now the Eagles
Speaker 1: have moved twice in this draft order. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: already trading with Miami to get up to eight good
Speaker 1: point and giving away two key players to Miami for
Speaker 1: that move, right, and now moving all the way up
Speaker 1: to the top two. You don't go up to the
Speaker 1: top two if you're not getting a fise quarterback. If
Speaker 1: you're not getting a franchise player, and uh, all signs
Speaker 1: point to it being a quarterback. But who will it be? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Howie Rossman at the Eagles, he was in a broom closet. Well,
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly was there. They said, hey, you go, you go.
Speaker 1: Your office is now the broom closet. Well they let
Speaker 1: him out of the broom closet. You know, he had
Speaker 1: time to manipulate a couple. It's amazing what he got,
Speaker 1: you know, from the Dolphins, the picks able to move
Speaker 1: up and do with no second round picking. You guys
Speaker 1: are right, he gave up a lot. But if you
Speaker 1: if that's what you believe, you know, I said yesterday
Speaker 1: on our show on the Talking Cowboys, you know, fortune
Speaker 1: favors the bold if you believe it's a lot of
Speaker 1: money though, Man, I mean a lot of money in
Speaker 1: quarterbacks extensions and stuff like that. And you know, I
Speaker 1: mean that's if you're gonna go. But let me ask
Speaker 1: you guys this and and you know quarterback play as well.
Speaker 1: Carson wentz though, is it was it worth it? Now?
Speaker 1: I think you'll say something about golf. I think you
Speaker 1: would agree that going to get golf like that like that,
Speaker 1: but in your opinion, know, is it the right move
Speaker 1: in your opinion? And it will either be proven right
Speaker 1: or wrong on this, but it was it the right
Speaker 1: move to go get Carson Wentz. In my opinion, I'm
Speaker 1: not giving up all that to get Carson Wentz. I
Speaker 1: like Carson Wentz. I think he's a first round caliber quarterback.
Speaker 1: If he were there for me at eight, i'd consider
Speaker 1: taking him. But packaging all those picks to move up
Speaker 1: when you already don't have a second rounder this year
Speaker 1: and so you're losing picks. To me, that's a little
Speaker 1: too Richard Carson Wentz. And that's nothing against him, it's just,
Speaker 1: you know, you have to really love a player to
Speaker 1: package all those picks to go up and get him.
Speaker 1: I don't love him. I like him a lot. And
Speaker 1: so for Jared Goff, I think I could, I would
Speaker 1: do that. I think that's a that's a player that
Speaker 1: I like a lot. I possibly love enough to give
Speaker 1: up those picks. Carson Wentz I don't feel strongly about. So, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel the same. I mean, the first time I
Speaker 1: really watched Carson was when we were in Mobile, Alabama. Yeah,
Speaker 1: watching him interact with our coaches. A big thing for
Speaker 1: me that stood out of me was his footwork. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like his footwork was as strong as
Speaker 1: you know it needed to be to be a number
Speaker 1: two overall quarterback. And obviously you go and you work
Speaker 1: out and go through this whole draft process, knowing your
Speaker 1: strengths and your weaknesses, assuming that he's been focusing on
Speaker 1: his footwork, But how much can you do? How much
Speaker 1: it's just in nate with your natural talent, natural ability.
Speaker 1: So I would say, no, he is not the guy
Speaker 1: that I would pick if I was the Eagles. But
Speaker 1: who else are you going to get? I mean it
Speaker 1: interest is what it is in this draft class, and
Speaker 1: the same for Goff. I mean, Goff is a very
Speaker 1: interesting quarterback to me because yes, he has these this
Speaker 1: field vision. You know, he's become a playmaker to Cala.
Speaker 1: But h you know, speaking with George Whitfield, who you're
Speaker 1: telling me about this week, Dan, I'll ask you this question.
Speaker 1: I've already asked broad us. I don't want him to
Speaker 1: steal it, but do you know how many college games
Speaker 1: Jared Goff actually won? Yeah? His record was like fourteen
Speaker 1: in yeah, exactly, so below below five hundred. I asked
Speaker 1: a couple of those coaches around here, you know, because
Speaker 1: I see him in the halls, and I was it's
Speaker 1: all the way. You're very good at bumping into coaches
Speaker 1: and getting information. I'll give you a lot of credit
Speaker 1: for they do just kind of Yeah, they talk to
Speaker 1: you more they talk to me, which isn't we are
Speaker 1: of good talks because I am fascinated by it, you know,
Speaker 1: And I asked a couple of them, I said, you know,
Speaker 1: how many one twenty, no lower lower thirteen games? And
Speaker 1: to think about that, you know, a lot of these
Speaker 1: look at Jameis Winston. You know, he was pretty much
Speaker 1: undefeated throughout his time in college. Granted stacked team, but
Speaker 1: will Jared Goff be the playmaker that the Rams need,
Speaker 1: you know? And will he be able to carry the
Speaker 1: team because you're assuming he's gonna start He's gonna start over,
Speaker 1: start over, their guy case Keenum. So it's interesting, but
Speaker 1: I'm just struggling with well, and when you look at
Speaker 1: and golf to your point, that first year they were
Speaker 1: so bad team as a team, and then a second
Speaker 1: year sophomore five and set, and then his junior year
Speaker 1: eight and five. So I think that progression makes you
Speaker 1: feel a little bit better about you know, the unimpressive
Speaker 1: win lost record for a starting quarterback. But then Wentz
Speaker 1: is the opposite. You know, all he did is win
Speaker 1: at North Dakota State. But right, you got the factor
Speaker 1: in the level that he played at. Right, We've seen
Speaker 1: it happen before, Joe Flacco and making that jump. But
Speaker 1: it's just I don't care what kind of quarterback expert
Speaker 1: you are, how do you account for that jump in speed,
Speaker 1: the uptick in competition. Not every passer has the ability
Speaker 1: to adapt with that speed and and you know, translate
Speaker 1: to the next level because of that speed. It's just
Speaker 1: going to be a big transition for him. It's a
Speaker 1: big risk. This is Jay Cutler the last and maybe
Speaker 1: somebody can help me out there in the Twitter world listen,
Speaker 1: but it's Jay Cutler, the last losing quarterback to get trapped.
Speaker 1: I mean he was at Vanderbilt, right, you know, and
Speaker 1: and everybody's thinking, you know, well, maybe he took a
Speaker 1: very good Maybe he maybe he helped Vanderbilt win a
Speaker 1: few more games that they weren't going to win. But
Speaker 1: is he the last quarterback that we've seen on a
Speaker 1: bad team they get selected, you know, highly in this draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that that makes sense. I think it is
Speaker 1: Jay Cutler off the top of my head that that
Speaker 1: would make a lot of sense. Um. But yeah, and
Speaker 1: we don't see it often because everybody wants the winner, right,
Speaker 1: And there's there's a big debate about quarterback wins and
Speaker 1: how relevant of a stat it is because football is
Speaker 1: the ultimate team game. Yeah, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: quarterback is the most important position in the ultimate team game.
Speaker 1: So I believe that quarterback wins is an important stat,
Speaker 1: but it's not anything more than paying attention to completion percentage,
Speaker 1: paying attention to you know, all these stats matter. I
Speaker 1: don't think quarterback wins should be the be all end
Speaker 1: all right of a player, but it does matter if
Speaker 1: factors into the evaluation. I look at North Dakota State
Speaker 1: is kind of the Alabama of the FCS. Oh, no doubt,
Speaker 1: obviously dynasty like the hand repeat. Yeah, you know you're
Speaker 1: you're talking about these bad teams and everything, but look
Speaker 1: at someone like a J. McCarron. His team was dynamite.
Speaker 1: They do play more of a pro style offense for
Speaker 1: a college team. And uh, you know, yes, he's gone
Speaker 1: to see or Cincinnati and been this back up to
Speaker 1: Dalton and you know, helped at the playoffs this year.
Speaker 1: But it's funny because they always talk about the Alabama
Speaker 1: curse of the quarterback, right, you know, you have this
Speaker 1: great college team and then you go and do this.
Speaker 1: I think RG three is a perfect example of that
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, he took Baylor to a new level,
Speaker 1: right level that'd never seen before. Picked very highly too.
Speaker 1: I mean they get up a ton, but he's a
Speaker 1: system quarterback, you know. So there is all these different things.
Speaker 1: But look at Blake Bortles what he did with UCF,
Speaker 1: a smaller school. That transition should be noted as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean what about you, what are your thoughts on
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz being that number two pick? And yeah, I
Speaker 1: you know what I've I've always felt like in my
Speaker 1: top fifties coming out to Dan Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and and K Garrison was where he was laughing at
Speaker 1: me because I've got Carson Wentz at seventeen. You know
Speaker 1: that's my opinion. I've got I've got Lynch and then
Speaker 1: Golf up in the top ten, but I have Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz at seventeen. If I'm you know, and I've said
Speaker 1: this before, if I'm a Cowboy fan and I and
Speaker 1: I believe what I believe about Carson Wentz, I'm okay
Speaker 1: with them making that deal. R You know, there was
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, one of my favorite players
Speaker 1: is Zeke Elliott. I can imagine them sitting there at
Speaker 1: eight and grabbing Zeke and meet going, you know, and
Speaker 1: this could be my Joey Harrington. The quarterbacks can always
Speaker 1: that's always gonna be my my one guy that when
Speaker 1: I start talking about these quarterbacks that I go, is
Speaker 1: this my new Joey Harrington? Is this the guy that
Speaker 1: I didn't think can play and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: is lighting up the league? You know? And I don't
Speaker 1: know if I would have made the steal if I
Speaker 1: was the Eagles, like you guys said. I think you
Speaker 1: guys said it. I think you're right spot on. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm going up, if I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get to one and to get golf, if I believe
Speaker 1: that strongly in golf, which I think that he's right
Speaker 1: there with with Lynch in my mind, Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 1: But man, Philadelphia, that that to me is one of
Speaker 1: those either sure, I'm captain obvious here. It's either gonna
Speaker 1: be Wow, what a colossal It could end up like him,
Speaker 1: like another NFC East team like Washington with RG three.
Speaker 1: Everything they gave up to go get him and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's somewhere else. It's and a
Speaker 1: few things. It's maybe you can say it's about in
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks. Yeah. And it's ironic that last year with
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota and Chip Kelly in Philadelphia that they couldn't
Speaker 1: get a deal done to move up from twenty all
Speaker 1: the way up to number two. Now, who knows if
Speaker 1: Tennessee was really playing ball, but it's just it's interesting
Speaker 1: that they couldn't get that done. But this year with
Speaker 1: Howie Roseman, who you know, like you said to your
Speaker 1: point it was kind of pushing the broom closet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I bet he has a new perspective on you know,
Speaker 1: how much time you have in this league, Like, sure,
Speaker 1: you gotta win. Now, you gotta go for it. You
Speaker 1: don't know who's coming through that door, exactly. Take risks,
Speaker 1: you know, if you believe in a player, go for it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the owner I think as a big part of
Speaker 1: this too. The owner was with Howie Roseman and the
Speaker 1: head coach, Coach Peterson when you took him out that
Speaker 1: Carson was out to dinner right, these private workouts, So
Speaker 1: I think the owners have had a big play in
Speaker 1: this as well. But yeah, I know, I think we're
Speaker 1: on a greement. See, I've been with Jeff Leury before,
Speaker 1: by and just real quick, I've been with Jeff Lury
Speaker 1: and in Philadelphia, and so he is a very He's
Speaker 1: not his hands on as Jerry Jones, but he likes
Speaker 1: to get involved, he likes to make decisions. I give
Speaker 1: him credit for Jeremiah Trotter, and Jeremiah Trotter to me,
Speaker 1: it comes back to me so vividly about and I
Speaker 1: know Jeremiah Trotter was the third round pick, but Miles
Speaker 1: Jack Sure and the knee and the doctors saying ten games,
Speaker 1: ten years, I can't tell you. And I just and
Speaker 1: I just keep seeing that, you know. And I keep
Speaker 1: seeing the Green Bay as failing Larry Allen on the shoulder,
Speaker 1: you know, and then Ron Woolf for minding the team. Doctors. Hey,
Speaker 1: that's the guy it's gonna kick our ass today, all right,
Speaker 1: that's the guy you failed, you know. And so owners
Speaker 1: owners like Jeff Lurry that do let the guys do
Speaker 1: their job, but take an approach like, hey, if we
Speaker 1: feel good about this, let's go, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: and I and I applaud them for doing that. I
Speaker 1: just don't know if I would have done it for
Speaker 1: that particular player. And and are we in agreement that
Speaker 1: it is going to go golf Wentz? Are you no? I?
Speaker 1: I you know? And I'm interested now in what happens
Speaker 1: in front of Dallas and it's these you know, five
Speaker 1: minutes before we take our next our first break of
Speaker 1: the day. What happens now, What happens now is your
Speaker 1: mindset changed? What potentially can happen to you? Uh? You know?
Speaker 1: Is that something that did you expect at both quarterbacks?
Speaker 1: I mean we've all kind of talked about this in
Speaker 1: the draft show. We thought it was going to be
Speaker 1: offensive tackle quarterback. I don't think quarterback quarterback now that
Speaker 1: pushes a guy down to you potentially. And I think
Speaker 1: the last week or so, two weeks since the Rams freight,
Speaker 1: I think we've had a good feel it's gonna be
Speaker 1: quarterbacks one two, And then the question is, okay, the
Speaker 1: draft starts at number three with the Chargers, and I
Speaker 1: think San Diego right now, what they're doing is they're
Speaker 1: leaking that they loved Tunsel, but they also love Ramsey,
Speaker 1: They also love Buckner, they love all that's what I'm Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. They in there. So say Jaguars,
Speaker 1: for example, number five, say they love Jalen Ramsey. They're
Speaker 1: looking for that playmaker in the secondary right. They think, oh,
Speaker 1: he might go three. Now, well let's let's give up
Speaker 1: a pick to move up two spots, get in front
Speaker 1: of Dallas. Take San Diego's pick for San Diego. That's
Speaker 1: exactly what they want. But if they if they stay
Speaker 1: at three, um, you know, it's it. They have a
Speaker 1: tough choice offensive line that tackle who, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: is the best player in their draft. Laramie Tunsel can
Speaker 1: stabilize that offensive line or do they go defensive playmaker
Speaker 1: the Forest Bucking or a Jalen Ramsey. So Chargers are
Speaker 1: really a wild card and that will have an impact
Speaker 1: on number four and where the where the Cowboys go. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know, I was curious and I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you guys, is Tounsel falling? I mean, you know that's
Speaker 1: a good question. It's true. I mean you said it
Speaker 1: last week. Um, you know, sitting here last Wednesday, we're
Speaker 1: thinking Tounsil's going one. Overall pretty in agreement since December
Speaker 1: that that would be the case, um, due to these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are in this draft. Now, it's looking like
Speaker 1: he's maybe being at fall That's a great question be there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is he? Is he falling? That? I mean that's because
Speaker 1: you kind of see if you look at ESPN and
Speaker 1: you know, and what their mock drafts were yesterday, Stanley
Speaker 1: was going ahead a Tonsil, and I was sitting there going, man,
Speaker 1: I mean I got Jack Conklin over Stanley myself on
Speaker 1: to You're not the only one. See, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of thinking that. I'm thinking, like, this is
Speaker 1: not right. If you're telling me that Stanley's going ahead
Speaker 1: a tonsil, then I then I need to go and
Speaker 1: move and open that bar like I talk about every
Speaker 1: day Taylor, you know, with Costa Rica. I need to
Speaker 1: figure that out here. Yeah, I need to go do that,
Speaker 1: because again, you know, I just don't Tonsil to me.
Speaker 1: I believe he's number one on your draft. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: got him a number four on my on my list,
Speaker 1: But I've never thought about Tunsil falling out of the
Speaker 1: top five. And I think if if for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: if if Stanley ends up going ahead of Tonsil, I
Speaker 1: think it's purely a personality thing, or that team did
Speaker 1: not love Laramie Tunsel in terms of his off field
Speaker 1: or his injury. Yeah, because playwise, I don't know how
Speaker 1: someone can try and convince me that Ronie Stanley is
Speaker 1: a better player than Larrmy Tunssel. I think there's a
Speaker 1: sizeable gap in terms of talent. Agree with you, So
Speaker 1: I don't know if it does happen. You know, And
Speaker 1: to your point about Conklin Stanley at number two, I
Speaker 1: think that's where the debate is. It's who should good
Speaker 1: number two from the offensive tackle rice because LARREMYE. Tunsel
Speaker 1: is clear cut number one. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I still think Larmie Tunsel's a top tackle. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know some people have had Larymy Tunssel fallowing a
Speaker 1: little bit, and he could fall he could. I just
Speaker 1: can't see a scenario where Baltimore Ravens pass on Larremy Tunssel. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't either, That's what I mean. See, the Ravens
Speaker 1: are one of those teams, so we and we all
Speaker 1: love Ozzie Newsom sitting there. It's one of my I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't love many Obama guys, but I love Osie
Speaker 1: news to me, sits there with me at the at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. We interact, we have fun, you know,
Speaker 1: and and I I just every time he's in a draft,
Speaker 1: it seems like a great player falls right in his lap, right,
Speaker 1: you know, he just sits there and like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna Du'm just gonna fall. Oh whoa, I've
Speaker 1: got the best tackle the draft. I sure could use
Speaker 1: a tackle here. I'll take that guy. You know that
Speaker 1: seems to happen. But let me ask you this though,
Speaker 1: Say that San Diego does take Buckner and I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to get you to take Tonsil. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to do it. But man, if Ramsey's on the board,
Speaker 1: you got bosses on the board, Tonsils on the board.
Speaker 1: Zeke's on the board. I mean, is he pick up
Speaker 1: that phone? Your phone's gonna be off the hunt? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you do? You do you try? Do you try
Speaker 1: and get out of there? Oh? Yeah, you're your phone lines?
Speaker 1: You just kinda put the phone there it is, wait
Speaker 1: for it to ring because it's going to ring. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And now is there a and enticing enough offer? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And how far you have to move back and that's
Speaker 1: the other thing, because you know you're looking at it
Speaker 1: and you have four awesome players before you just mentioned
Speaker 1: with Ramsey, Bosa Zeke and then Tounsil. Right, you can't
Speaker 1: move away from all four though, I mean you don't
Speaker 1: want to at least right, you know you want to
Speaker 1: get in you cat options. You can't trade out of
Speaker 1: the top ten. That's absolutely true. If you want this playmaker,
Speaker 1: you really can't. Yeah, you really can't. I did, and
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's no obvious trade partners. I mean
Speaker 1: there's a few maybe's. Maybe maybe the Ravens would be
Speaker 1: spooked and look try to make jump two spots to
Speaker 1: get Tonsil. Probably not the Giants, and we talked about
Speaker 1: that before the Giants going up. How about New Orleans
Speaker 1: being an aggressive at twelve for a tackle? You think,
Speaker 1: I mean, or you think they have someone else? I
Speaker 1: think you have an older quarterback. But then you're moving
Speaker 1: out of the top ten. Is that something you're calling? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's but yeah, that's I don't know. I hope the
Speaker 1: phone call, I hope the phone range. If that's the case, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: bottom line, we're going to see action in that top ten.
Speaker 1: You know that we saw the two trades, which I
Speaker 1: don't remember ever seeing two raids like this. Bright as
Speaker 1: far ahead of the draft, we're going to see more
Speaker 1: action top ten. Yeah, well and it might be San
Speaker 1: Diego though, first time, what second time since the seventies
Speaker 1: that we've seen one, two, three all traded, right, And
Speaker 1: that's crazy because the thing about Tencil is he is
Speaker 1: obviously an elite player. He will be an elite player, Oh,
Speaker 1: no doubt, you know, ten plus years. The problem that
Speaker 1: he's facing is that there's so many of these skill
Speaker 1: position players in this draft that you just can't pass
Speaker 1: up on. Yeah. I mean, but you said it thoughte
Speaker 1: that's a ten year player. That's a ten year player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you're right, and maybe get picked, maybe paid
Speaker 1: like Tyrance Smith. Okay, we gotta take our first break.
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Speaker 1: to the NFL Draft, a couple of different things we
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Speaker 1: We did some work on that, some really interesting stories,
Speaker 1: some uh some also some draft analysis, some reports, things
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Speaker 1: things that you need to have. We're going to talk
Speaker 1: you through it. But this will be a little bit
Speaker 1: of a guy. This is kind of the things that
Speaker 1: we will be working with throughout h these three days
Speaker 1: of the draft coming up. So these are things that
Speaker 1: you can just read and brag to all your friends
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Speaker 1: Thursday night. You won't be surprised by anything. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: it and hopefully the Draft Show has helped you understand
Speaker 1: a little bit more to these last So it's it's
Speaker 1: it's been amazing this journey that we've had and now
Speaker 1: we're about to about to uh get it to really going. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna thank Ed K. Hill for this. It is Twitter,
Speaker 1: Taylor starn have at it, my friend. Alrighty, So Tunsil
Speaker 1: has definitely caused some interesting talk on Twitter. Yep, justin.
Speaker 1: If Tunsil falls to Dallas and Dallas decides to trade back,
Speaker 1: who are the top candidates and who did the boys
Speaker 1: pick at the new pick? Yeah? Okay, we try to
Speaker 1: kind of get to that where we were going to go,
Speaker 1: and it's it's tough because Tunsil is such a such
Speaker 1: an awesome player. Um, but who are the obvious suspect?
Speaker 1: You know that we're talking about the Giants? Maybe at ten, right,
Speaker 1: they need to stabilize that offensive line. Absolutely, so that's
Speaker 1: a possibility. But I think the Giants needs so much munch.
Speaker 1: Could they really part with a second round pick? That's
Speaker 1: what's it gonna take a second round pick to get
Speaker 1: up to that fourth spot? Yeah? How about how about
Speaker 1: we talked about this and just as a just and
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is shot in the dark,
Speaker 1: but you know, you don't seem like you want to
Speaker 1: do it, and I see where you're gonna We need
Speaker 1: to find out where this thing's gonna hit. At fifteen,
Speaker 1: I mean that's gonna be the end towards the end
Speaker 1: of our first round run. If you want to go
Speaker 1: back to Tennessee, say Tennessee, Tennessee's got some Amo, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try and we've talked about holding them up for
Speaker 1: forty three forty five, come on up to the store.
Speaker 1: They also hold They also hold the thirty third pick
Speaker 1: in this draft as well. So if Dallas could find
Speaker 1: a way thirty three thirty four, I believe their third
Speaker 1: round pick would be let's see right here at sixty four.
Speaker 1: So if you're the Cowboys and you're thinking about if
Speaker 1: you want to dance back there and you can get Tennessee, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta be ready. I'm hitting them for that early pick.
Speaker 1: I'm I want to I want to back to back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you don't want to give me forty three forty five, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll take your two top picks in the round and
Speaker 1: here we go. Man, third round, you get sixty four
Speaker 1: to sixty seven. There you go. See that's that that
Speaker 1: would be enticing to me. And and it would it
Speaker 1: be would you be willing to give up you know,
Speaker 1: would you be willing to give up the quality of
Speaker 1: the player, the quality of the player. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: big that's a big jump. So depending on how I'll
Speaker 1: just try to you know, you need to think about
Speaker 1: some guys there at fifteen that would be. That's the
Speaker 1: hail Mary, that's gonna set up our draft. But remember
Speaker 1: what you're potentially going to get if we can get
Speaker 1: some names. You know, I know the guys have talked
Speaker 1: about guys Spense, the Dodd you know, right around that's
Speaker 1: kind of where this thing is gonna You know, may
Speaker 1: I had loss in a matter of fact myself, Jack
Speaker 1: Laws in twelve to fifteen rains something like that. So
Speaker 1: you know that if you're interested, that might be a
Speaker 1: spot for you to go. But you need Tennessee to
Speaker 1: call you. If that's that's a that's a big jump
Speaker 1: for them to get Tonsil what boy, It's sure set
Speaker 1: you up, though I can't. I'm not moving away from
Speaker 1: a top one of these top players. Okay. If I
Speaker 1: say that happens, Buckner goes three, and those four guys
Speaker 1: are available for me, I'm either taking one of those four.
Speaker 1: I'm moving back enough where I know I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: one of those four. Okay, Matt Delina. With offenses running
Speaker 1: more five wide receiver sets than ever, is it really
Speaker 1: that bad to draft Ramsey as a safety and pair
Speaker 1: him with Byron Jones thirty one? Well, and this is
Speaker 1: the debate with Jalen Ramsey is um, you know, Canny,
Speaker 1: can you draft him as an outside corner or do
Speaker 1: you have to draft him as a safety or a
Speaker 1: flex of both? And I think that's the position confusion here, um,
Speaker 1: And that's why I think there's some hang up with
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey. Um as a corner. To me, Jalen Ramsey's
Speaker 1: not a top five pick right as a safety if
Speaker 1: you use him in the right way, top five pick
Speaker 1: one of the best players in this draft. So I
Speaker 1: think it comes down to that question, how are you
Speaker 1: going to use you talk to people around the league. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hear you. I hear you everyone. So I'll sneak
Speaker 1: away and go visit the people. Yeah, what are people
Speaker 1: saying about him? Because I admire you for going to
Speaker 1: making some calls to your buddies around the league. What
Speaker 1: do you got there? Well, it is interesting because obviously
Speaker 1: this has been his debate. Is he a corner? Is
Speaker 1: he a safety? Where is he best suited on the field?
Speaker 1: Obviously I wanted to find out this answer. These guys
Speaker 1: have gone out done these private workouts. A couple of
Speaker 1: these private workouts have attacked this weakness that is being
Speaker 1: pointed out for Ramsey particular, the fact that he didn't
Speaker 1: have these interceptions in college at Florida State. Why what
Speaker 1: is that? Can he not get up? Can he not
Speaker 1: get the ball? High? Point ball? Yeah, point ball? You know,
Speaker 1: And that's key. If you're going to have a lockdown corner,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get him at in the top five. You
Speaker 1: want to have these in interceptions getting up there, going
Speaker 1: after it. Apparently in a couple of his private workouts, coaches,
Speaker 1: different scouts have gone out there. You're saying some head coaches,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well because it's vital. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're gonna say, Okay, we're not going
Speaker 1: to draft him here, we want him here throwing actually
Speaker 1: to him, throwing these high balls, seeing if he can
Speaker 1: get up. Yeah. Apparently he did show them that he could. Okay,
Speaker 1: and that's new. Yah. I mean when you watch this
Speaker 1: type like broad Us and I have, I mean you're
Speaker 1: seeing you're like, okay, why are we gonna get him?
Speaker 1: We're gonna is this another you know guy we're gonna
Speaker 1: go after and he's not gonna be your lockdown corner.
Speaker 1: So it's it's interesting because of the scheme. Well, and
Speaker 1: I'm not so much worried about the hands as I
Speaker 1: am about when you put him a corner, he has
Speaker 1: to put us back to the ball. You said that
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, that's when I worry he's not as comfortable.
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe he was sure you see that on tape.
Speaker 1: Maybe after some pro coaching and in a scheme, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe more friendly to his skills, maybe he will be.
Speaker 1: But that's when you Okay, you're making a projection here,
Speaker 1: pretty big projection with a top four pick. So Ramsey
Speaker 1: is not that slam dunk you know, have to take
Speaker 1: him type of player depending on how you use him.
Speaker 1: There is some debate there. The only thing that I
Speaker 1: think that valuable to him in this particular defense with
Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli is the position flex Rod Marinelli, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you talk to some of these guys that have
Speaker 1: been around Rod Marinelli as a coach, he is a visionary,
Speaker 1: Honestly he is, because you know, it doesn't matter the position.
Speaker 1: He knows what you need to do. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: been here for how many years in this league just
Speaker 1: doing this. Jack Crawford came in and talked about how
Speaker 1: he really made him the football player he is today.
Speaker 1: You know, that's incredible to me. Yeah. See, that's the
Speaker 1: thing about it. Though. We were talking about that yesterday
Speaker 1: on the show and I asked our guys I was
Speaker 1: on with Nikki and them, though, is do you do you?
Speaker 1: And you said this about Marinelli and I don't disagree
Speaker 1: with what you're saying, but the trust factor of using
Speaker 1: players that way. You have a visionary for the player,
Speaker 1: You understand what the player could do. But are you
Speaker 1: willing to put him in situations to do that? Are
Speaker 1: you willing to put him near the line but in
Speaker 1: blitz let him knock passes down. Are you to put
Speaker 1: him in the slot. Are you willing to put him
Speaker 1: on the outside? Are you willing to put him you know,
Speaker 1: you got to show some creativity. It's one thing to
Speaker 1: understand that guy at Seattle. He gets it when it
Speaker 1: comes to hey, I'm gonna put guys in different spots,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna get something out of him for putting
Speaker 1: them in different spots. Well, I mean, you know Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn down at Atlanta. Now, yeah, he left because he
Speaker 1: had the legion of boom and he's trying to do
Speaker 1: that down at the Falcons. We saw that last year
Speaker 1: with some of he didn't have the highest playmakers. And
Speaker 1: one of the teams, and one of the teams that's
Speaker 1: looking at Ramsey as a corner is the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 1: But they're they're sitting down there, so okay, they probably
Speaker 1: won't get him. Is Michael Carty? Is Michael Miles Jack
Speaker 1: going to slip like Sean Lee. It's so hard to
Speaker 1: answer this question because we don't know how all thirty
Speaker 1: two teams think about mile Jack and that an we
Speaker 1: know how a few teams think. You know, I talked
Speaker 1: to a few teams that they're they're worried. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're not going to be drafting him so or at
Speaker 1: least in the top ten. So we don't know how
Speaker 1: all thirty two teams feel. And that's at some point.
Speaker 1: And I think the way some teams feel is we're
Speaker 1: not sure he's gonna make that second contract, but we
Speaker 1: feel good about the player for the next five years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so okay, it might be the reason why you
Speaker 1: draft Zeke you know that, I mean, just because if
Speaker 1: you want to, let's just keep drafting. You know, if
Speaker 1: we got a guy for five This is what this
Speaker 1: this league has become. It's become I can't afford you anymore. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I can't afford you anymore quarterback that you
Speaker 1: know Denver to Houston. I can't afford you. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't think Carolina Panthers, I can't afford you. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a confident drafting guy that Dave Gettlman.
Speaker 1: At Dave Gettlman, he's like, you know what, I'll Okay,
Speaker 1: I believe in my friend seven. I'll go find me
Speaker 1: another quarter But so, yeah, I think that you're right
Speaker 1: about this though me personally, I don't think he gets
Speaker 1: out of the top ten. And I do and I'm
Speaker 1: keeping him at number one on my board because I
Speaker 1: believe that someone will draft him and I believe he
Speaker 1: will be everything that I thought he would be as
Speaker 1: a player, and now he might not be that for
Speaker 1: this team here. You know, we're kind of hearing some
Speaker 1: whispers about that. So, you know, I just see somebody saying,
Speaker 1: you know what, Jeff Lurie made that call for me
Speaker 1: a while back. Hey, if you feel that good about
Speaker 1: this player, let's draft him play ten twelve years? Is it? Well?
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because Schefter said he believes he is
Speaker 1: going to get out of the top ten. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's just the thing is, nobody knows because when you're
Speaker 1: talking about the medicals, that's true. I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't have dr period in front of my name
Speaker 1: exactly what I but I but I do, but I
Speaker 1: do play one on TV. Yeah, I do understand a
Speaker 1: great football play. And I'm yeah, he's number two on
Speaker 1: my board. I'm keeping him there because I'm not moving.
Speaker 1: We don't know for sure, we don't know. We can
Speaker 1: only trust. We watched the tape, okay, tape. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: just to get back on Miles Jack. He did you
Speaker 1: know he left college early to pursue the draft. He
Speaker 1: has a commitment to the draft. He'll be a good
Speaker 1: player for any team. But let's get to a couple
Speaker 1: of questions I've seen. Andre McMillan asked this, and Jay Staylor.
Speaker 1: Would Fuller fit at thirty four if he is still available?
Speaker 1: People hoki Alum wanting to see Okay that Fuller? Yeah
Speaker 1: not will No, No good thing you said, good thing
Speaker 1: you said, hoki Alum. Didn't finish it, But I was
Speaker 1: just seeing Fuller. Two people have asked two Fullers will Fuller?
Speaker 1: And uh addressed addressed the dress addressed the Virginia Tech Fuller. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he coming off the knee another meniscus. Yeah, here
Speaker 1: we go. But I thought hearing what I heard, but
Speaker 1: very high on your You're very high in this right.
Speaker 1: And what I've heard is that teams are a lot
Speaker 1: more optimistic with his knee and yeah, so I think
Speaker 1: there's a little more optimism there. Um. I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna end up being a steal in the second round
Speaker 1: thirty four, depending on what the doctors say to me.
Speaker 1: I think he's worth a pick as long as the
Speaker 1: doctors sign off. But you know, what are the medical
Speaker 1: situation because as a player, I do believe he is
Speaker 1: worth a second round pick. Yeah, I can really both
Speaker 1: asked for that. But uh, will Fuller well, and that's aye.
Speaker 1: That's a different animal because we talk about a one
Speaker 1: trick pony who's really really good at that one trick. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm just my my my second round thirty four guy.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just kind of thinking him or Shepherd,
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm got Shepherd above it. I've got Shepherd
Speaker 1: above it. I really do it. And this is this
Speaker 1: is this is going back and saying and you've talked
Speaker 1: about starts at nine. It's the old Drake song right,
Speaker 1: start at the bottom, finish the top something that a
Speaker 1: Drake's song. Hey help me out on that, and then
Speaker 1: a Drake song started from the bottom. Now we're here,
Speaker 1: Is that what it is? Yes? Okay, I try to
Speaker 1: be a little. I tried to be a little. You
Speaker 1: guys are young, missing this point. He's also, you're not
Speaker 1: wearing your flannel, Yeah exactly, Jack's yeah, yeah, but but
Speaker 1: but you know what I'm what I'm saying though about
Speaker 1: gimme Shepherd over Fuller, I'm with, yeah, there's It's just
Speaker 1: I think there's more you could do with Shepherd, and
Speaker 1: but Fuller, I'll tell you what. Get the ball in
Speaker 1: his hand. Too. But you see, well see that's the
Speaker 1: thing again, more of a one trick pony. He's gonna
Speaker 1: he can take the top off a defense. But he's
Speaker 1: so good at that one trick that he is a
Speaker 1: valuable player because secondaries have to account for him at
Speaker 1: every single play because you never know when he can
Speaker 1: do it. But you're right, get him the ball and
Speaker 1: then I'm little fun. This was another one of guys
Speaker 1: that Brian really loved during the season, really hyped until
Speaker 1: the Bull season came around and he got injured. Michael
Speaker 1: wants to know if Jalen Smith falls to the fourth
Speaker 1: round worth pick he sits this next year or sits
Speaker 1: this year, starts next year, would would allow you to
Speaker 1: cut ties with McClane one thirty five, Dan, you're gonna
Speaker 1: do this one. No, I can't get mean. You just
Speaker 1: look Jalen Smith. You just you hate it for the player,
Speaker 1: like it hurts. I saw your smile. It hurts because
Speaker 1: again started all thirty nine games. It sure gets hurt
Speaker 1: in his final game. But when you talk to the medicals,
Speaker 1: it's just it's not good at all. Yeah, I'm hearing
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's it's less than fifty fifty that
Speaker 1: doctor sink will ever played. Okay two nineteen six, seventh round.
Speaker 1: I think about him, Okay, you know, but it just
Speaker 1: depends who else is there amazing it. Maybe a team
Speaker 1: will take a chance in the fourth round May But
Speaker 1: he got a five million dollars policy on him by
Speaker 1: the way too, So don't feel terrible for him. But
Speaker 1: he that he missed. He's a great kid with the
Speaker 1: workout that I mean, I'm not going to count them
Speaker 1: out because of those things. But you know, sometimes when
Speaker 1: you talk about medicals, nothing you can do, it doesn't
Speaker 1: realize that he has another brother on this team. Rocksmith
Speaker 1: well Rod told me everything was gonna be okay, And
Speaker 1: I tweeted that out like you know, like hey, some
Speaker 1: inside knowledge right next thing you know, my poor guy
Speaker 1: is like he might not ever play again. Okay, take
Speaker 1: out one more. Any whispers about Detroit sitting at sixteen
Speaker 1: trading with Dallas for a run. DMC nation wants to
Speaker 1: know for a tackle going up to get says, any
Speaker 1: whispers about a Detroit Dallas trade there's new general managers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to me, that's not really you know, he cut his teeth.
Speaker 1: Mister Quinney cut his teeth in New England, New England.
Speaker 1: It's not really the way to trade up, trade assets
Speaker 1: to go up. I don't think we're gonna see the
Speaker 1: Lions do. I think we're We're more likely to see
Speaker 1: the Lions trade down. But I think they'll stay where
Speaker 1: they are, take a good player, hold onto those second
Speaker 1: third round picks, round out the ross. I'll just give
Speaker 1: you a team I think will move. I think the
Speaker 1: Saints are going to I think the Saints you're gonna
Speaker 1: do something. I think I just you know, just a
Speaker 1: little Greek you there, as they say, I think that's
Speaker 1: another team to watch. The Dolphins. Yeah, I think there's
Speaker 1: a very good chance we see they want don't they
Speaker 1: want Zeke? Yeah? And if he's still there at eight,
Speaker 1: I put put it down brown Amy going up to Cleveland.
Speaker 1: Browns are getting out of there. They're not gonna draft
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, I mean, just keep fraighting back. They're
Speaker 1: gonna tell what the numbers tell you to do. Numbers
Speaker 1: keep telling you. Go back, we'll accumulate picks absolutely, top
Speaker 1: one hundred picks. Yeah, I forget the Day three if
Speaker 1: you can accumulate those top one hundred picks, not only
Speaker 1: this year, but next year. Yeah, that's what you gotta do,
Speaker 1: tell you. Thanks so much for that. Again, I think
Speaker 1: I thank everybody for all the questions. I thank ed
Speaker 1: k Hill for coming up with that. Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take our final break. When we come back, we're gonna
Speaker 1: play a little tell me more. We'll be right back
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Speaker 1: excited and I wanted to start off. You know, we
Speaker 1: have a safety right now who is from Toledo, Berry Church.
Speaker 1: He's a captain of this team. So which way is
Speaker 1: she going? Here? Can I go with someone from there?
Speaker 1: Right now? You're trying to replace Barry Church without the
Speaker 1: Toledo guy. Hope not. I love Barry, but uh, tell
Speaker 1: me more about Milligan. Roland Milligan. This is a guy though,
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't know I'd be interested to see
Speaker 1: you know, maybe which you think I'll say this though.
Speaker 1: Roland Milligan. Though when you watch him play, he can
Speaker 1: cover some ground. They play him out of the slot.
Speaker 1: I really like the reactions that he has when you
Speaker 1: watch him, I mean the ball reactions when he's when
Speaker 1: he's peddling and he sees the ball the outside, he's
Speaker 1: going him, he's planning, he's going. I think he's got
Speaker 1: a little bit of Barry Church him in this regard
Speaker 1: to because Barry's still to create turnovers. I know what's
Speaker 1: happened with Barry in that regard. But you watch Toledo
Speaker 1: film and you watch a Roland Milligan play, he can
Speaker 1: create some turnovers. So he's a guy that's probably a well,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say probably he would be a third
Speaker 1: day guy. Uh, you know, maybe the Cowboys call his name.
Speaker 1: I know that there's some talk about him, but maybe
Speaker 1: another team. But keep an eye on rolling Milligan. If
Speaker 1: you want a playmaking safety that can cover and also
Speaker 1: creates some turnovers, right, then he's one of those guys
Speaker 1: that got stuck in the UAB situation. Yeah, I started there,
Speaker 1: and then when that program disbanded, he wound up at Toledo.
Speaker 1: And the first thing that jumped off the film for
Speaker 1: me was his toughness. Right, dude's tough as nails. Right,
Speaker 1: And said to me, that's what I took away from
Speaker 1: from his film. But now I think you've covered him
Speaker 1: pretty well. There we go, all right? Who you got tape? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: My next one is a guy that I've been interested
Speaker 1: in from a Norfolk State, Dion King. Where do you
Speaker 1: start looking at Norfolk State tape? Hey, I come from
Speaker 1: a smaller school, but Mexico, New Mexico. We'll get to
Speaker 1: my final bonus round, the bonus bonus round. But tell
Speaker 1: me more about a mister King. Production speaks. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: had over one hundred and sixty tackles as a senior.
Speaker 1: And this is a tri hard guy. You know, he's
Speaker 1: under six foot, not the biggest guy, shorter arms, but
Speaker 1: he sees the action, he diagnoses it, and his ability
Speaker 1: to come to balance on the move, rap tackle finish.
Speaker 1: It's what you want from a linebacker now, coming from
Speaker 1: the fyes level, it's a big jump. And this is
Speaker 1: a guy who's had to prove down as wrong as
Speaker 1: entire life, and so he did it at Norfolk State.
Speaker 1: It's hard to bet against him going to the NFL.
Speaker 1: But again, the production speaks, Yeah, he's a he's a
Speaker 1: tick below six foot and two hundred and twenty four pounds.
Speaker 1: But I will say this in this scheme though, his
Speaker 1: ability to run is really his forty times not great.
Speaker 1: But you will see him when the when the ball
Speaker 1: goes to the outside, I mean he's flying to the football.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of guys too, they brought into the
Speaker 1: kid from Colorado States, Corey James. So keep an eye
Speaker 1: on Corey James, and good for you on Deon King,
Speaker 1: because that's another guy that could be as we get
Speaker 1: to the third day, all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they hit him at that one of those six
Speaker 1: round spots, or it's a priority free agent d end
Speaker 1: you might see a name like Deon King show up. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, for our big ten people, we got Iowa.
Speaker 1: So Drew Ott defensive end. Obviously we love we love
Speaker 1: getting some of those big ten defense VENs in here. Yep,
Speaker 1: what do you think about Drew Ott. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: a player that was in the news a lot in
Speaker 1: the last few weeks because he was injured. He appealed
Speaker 1: for us a fifth year of eligibility from the NCAA.
Speaker 1: Hadn't her back up until about a week and a
Speaker 1: half ago, so he was at the combine, but he
Speaker 1: still hadn't hire an agent because once you hire an agent,
Speaker 1: you give up your colligibility. So he was at the combine,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't able to work out because of that injury.
Speaker 1: He had a knee and an elbow. He wears a
Speaker 1: brace kind of like what J. J. Watt does if
Speaker 1: you've really watched him on tape. He plays with that brake.
Speaker 1: Had some elbow issues but also had the ACL tear.
Speaker 1: And so with Drew Odd you have the size that
Speaker 1: you want, six four and a half two hundred seventy
Speaker 1: five pounds. You see the initial quickness and this is
Speaker 1: a true country farm boy. Oh no doubt that his background,
Speaker 1: but he plays like a two that gets pretty strong mentality. Absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's a guy who for your flannel shirt today,
Speaker 1: you're gonna drop up an Iowa defensive end. This is
Speaker 1: what it looks like Aaron Canton. We talk about those guys,
Speaker 1: like all those guys he had the Iowa. I'll say
Speaker 1: this is bad him. I watched the Wisconsin game and
Speaker 1: I mean it was like around the corner knocking the
Speaker 1: ball out, looking for the ball. But you're right, country
Speaker 1: strong guy, really good with his hands. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys that can leverage play the
Speaker 1: outside chase on the backside. Though a lot of positive
Speaker 1: things about Drew. He heard his knee, I want to
Speaker 1: say it was October twelfth, So he kind of in
Speaker 1: that mode right now. Yeah, where he's at. So, but uh,
Speaker 1: but a good player six six four two seventy three
Speaker 1: kind of fits the measurables of that for three defensive
Speaker 1: in all right, Bonus, I bug brought us about this
Speaker 1: guy all the time. I know you've watched him, brought us,
Speaker 1: made him watch him. Yes, this goes out to everyone
Speaker 1: in New Mexico. Really appreciate it, obviously. I remember you
Speaker 1: guys all the time. Got that's why I got my start. Uh,
Speaker 1: Darrell Presley running back out in New Mexico. Could he
Speaker 1: be here in Dallas now? I just want him a
Speaker 1: lobo to join me here in Dallas. Don't don't hate
Speaker 1: me for this, but I think he could be a
Speaker 1: really good safety. That's the one I thought when watching.
Speaker 1: Why would I hate you for that? Well, I mean
Speaker 1: trying to get him in the league. Yeah, exactly, And
Speaker 1: you know he you look at his sophomore in junior years,
Speaker 1: he was averaging over nine yards of carry. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: like the most productive quiet Davy screwed him up the
Speaker 1: pistol offense. Yeah, but he's still ever six point two
Speaker 1: yards as a senior, so it's not we're not talking
Speaker 1: about a slouch here. Um. No. I like he's a
Speaker 1: little undersized, um. But again I kind of like a
Speaker 1: possible transition to safety that would make sense to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was watching him on tape, member because you said that,
Speaker 1: You're like, what are you gonna watch anybody from New Mexico?
Speaker 1: So I sat down. But I say, with Dane's seeing
Speaker 1: with the guy because you know they hand him the ball,
Speaker 1: you don't always see that explosiveness, you know, you see some,
Speaker 1: but you do see some toughness about break a couple
Speaker 1: of those tackles, right, I mean it's like break a tackle,
Speaker 1: break a tackle, will run, you know. Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: would be that's a nice projection though on your part,
Speaker 1: that's outside thinking if you don't think he could be
Speaker 1: a back because he has the size obviously, he has
Speaker 1: the toughness, so that it made very tough minded. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we'll get a little and don't worry New
Speaker 1: Mexico people I've been in will mcclayzier about him. So
Speaker 1: we'll see if he's if he's here the you know,
Speaker 1: the rookie weekend. But uh, yeah, that's all I have
Speaker 1: for okay, thanks very much. All right, Kit Garrison, the
Speaker 1: program here. We've got about ten minutes. I always get
Speaker 1: accused of not taking enough calls. So folks, we're all
Speaker 1: doing very well. We're grateful to have Taylor in with
Speaker 1: us today. So let's let's line these things up and
Speaker 1: get your calls. So, Kit, what do you got one
Speaker 1: of the regular Sam and san Antonio? You're up? Hey, guys, um,
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, Um, cowboys are able to
Speaker 1: get Jaylor Rams in the number four pick. I don't
Speaker 1: care whether he first of all, I don't care if
Speaker 1: his safety or cornerbacks. He's a he's a stud I'd
Speaker 1: love having. Okay, but if if, how how much can
Speaker 1: we go up and let's say packs, unless we're to
Speaker 1: fall into the latter teams, how much would it take
Speaker 1: for us to go up and get ahead of the
Speaker 1: Jets as far as with that second pick in the
Speaker 1: first the second pick overall I was in and second round,
Speaker 1: could we package two next year to go ahead and
Speaker 1: go up and uh and making ahead of them? Because
Speaker 1: I really want Paxson Lynch. That would be my drink
Speaker 1: scenario if we can come away with Paxson Lynch and
Speaker 1: get back into the first round after making the selection
Speaker 1: of Dale Ramsey. Again, I do not want Joey Bosa.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to go ahead and leave that out there.
Speaker 1: If y'all appreciate what y'all do, y'all have a great
Speaker 1: day for us. Thank you very much, appreciate it all Right.
Speaker 1: The place I was going to try and get to,
Speaker 1: I thought I could get to the Jets because they've
Speaker 1: already talked to their gym about doing that deal. I
Speaker 1: don't think they would take Paxton. I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: they would now maybe maybe once they sit down and
Speaker 1: look at this, maybe with the situation that they're in, right,
Speaker 1: i's kind of hopeful that Mike mcagnan would allow us
Speaker 1: to come dance up in there. Uh. In my mock
Speaker 1: right now, I have Paxton going twenty to the Jets.
Speaker 1: That's just kind of so he's rising. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, rising, he's in that late first right, let
Speaker 1: me ask you this, Let me ask you this, and
Speaker 1: and I know this, this this will be the scenario
Speaker 1: that you don't want to hear, but I'll say it anyway.
Speaker 1: What if you did trade to Tennessee at fifteen to
Speaker 1: take Packs the Lynch at fifteen? I think he has
Speaker 1: to be in the conversation. Yeah. I mean if you
Speaker 1: if you project him as you know, a future NFL
Speaker 1: starter or a guy that can be you're the next
Speaker 1: franchise guy, then if you're projecting him at at ear
Speaker 1: projecting him at twenty, you feel good enough about it
Speaker 1: to potentially him at I think he's like number nineteen
Speaker 1: on my board. So yeah, I think he's in that range.
Speaker 1: And the thing about I don't think there's clear separation.
Speaker 1: We talk about our boards, you know, like one to two,
Speaker 1: three to four or five to six, you know, eighteen
Speaker 1: to nineteen. It's more in groups and tiers, and so
Speaker 1: I think you feel similar about guys in the eleven
Speaker 1: to you know, twenty one tier or you know whatever
Speaker 1: it is. So Packs the Lynch, I think you should
Speaker 1: be in that conversation if that is the move. These
Speaker 1: two trades at the top of the board, top of
Speaker 1: the draft probably wipe Dallas out of taking a first
Speaker 1: round quarterback. I agree at four yeah, oh absolutely, I
Speaker 1: don't I know you like Packs the Lynch, I just
Speaker 1: I don't, especially because I think you could get him
Speaker 1: in the teens. See that's what I'm saying. But if
Speaker 1: if you told me that, if if you told me,
Speaker 1: my hope is still and Sam's I mean he wants Ramsey.
Speaker 1: You know that's okay. But but I'm not getting you know,
Speaker 1: you don't care about the corner safety thing though that
Speaker 1: should that's a that's a big deal. But the fact
Speaker 1: that they protected themselves by the range of quarterbacks they've
Speaker 1: had come through here with hack and burg with with
Speaker 1: with Daxon Prescott, with Cook with that's the big debate.
Speaker 1: With with Brissette, they protected themselves as far as the
Speaker 1: quarterback play goes. The winner of these two trades was
Speaker 1: Packiston Lynch. It really was. I mean, when you want
Speaker 1: to look at it, obviously you know Tuns will probably
Speaker 1: hurt from it, but Packston Lynch now might rise. You know.
Speaker 1: When it all started, he was what your bottom of
Speaker 1: the first quarterback? Yeah, your third one. I can kind
Speaker 1: of see. I could kind of see him fitting at
Speaker 1: San Francisco with the way they play the option and all.
Speaker 1: I mean, I my struggle with Packston Lynches. I just
Speaker 1: think he's so I think three, three to five years
Speaker 1: from now. I think he could absolutely be one of
Speaker 1: the best quarterbacks from this class. I just worry about
Speaker 1: the here and now and so it's fine. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna take Packson Lynch, I think he has
Speaker 1: to sit. You have to bring them along at his
Speaker 1: own pace. How early can you take a player like that?
Speaker 1: You know? And that that's my hang up with Hatch.
Speaker 1: Thanks you called there, Sam. Obviously it depends on what
Speaker 1: San Francisco is going to do with their quarterback. They
Speaker 1: feel like they so no, but it is interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Great Kip Lee in Atlanta, Lee, Happy Friday. Hey you're
Speaker 1: killing it. Thank you. Um real quick, guys, UM, I'll
Speaker 1: say this, the two trades have have done this. I
Speaker 1: think for the Cowboys it put us in a no
Speaker 1: lose situation. I mean, whether we stay in and get
Speaker 1: a guy or whether we go back to and I
Speaker 1: think the numbers fifteen. Um, we can go back to
Speaker 1: fifteen and get picks, maybe even get picks for next
Speaker 1: year and use those to get back up to get
Speaker 1: another quarterback. No one knew about Carson Wentz and and
Speaker 1: a guy in from Memphis. You know, this time last year, right,
Speaker 1: m Ryan, this question is for you. I do love
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa. I am not I'm a Michigan fan. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Go ahead. I didn't mean to try off side, Sarah,
Speaker 1: but go ahead. But you love Zeke. Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1: But but this is my question for you, if just
Speaker 1: watching the last two Alabama games. As far as just
Speaker 1: strong side ends, we won't talk about quarterback pressure right now,
Speaker 1: but just as strong side, d n Kim Deech is
Speaker 1: a good enough athlete. I think he's better than Bosa.
Speaker 1: I think I think in the long run. He was
Speaker 1: a high school running back down in Grayson, down in
Speaker 1: Georgia where I live, and he has got freakish athletic
Speaker 1: ability for a three hundred pounder and he played into
Speaker 1: four to three in high school and in college. Um,
Speaker 1: he can see he has the position flex but I
Speaker 1: think he could be. I think he'd be every good
Speaker 1: as playing the run and maybe even pass rush as
Speaker 1: Bosa would be. UM, which means what in saying that
Speaker 1: you know based on what your opinion is, I think
Speaker 1: we were. We can move back to fifteen anyway. Have
Speaker 1: a great weekend, guys, Love the show. Talked to you later.
Speaker 1: Thank you. It sounded like he started off with steam
Speaker 1: and then he got just frustrated at the end of it.
Speaker 1: For you, I don't know, go ahead, I know it,
Speaker 1: Kim Deech, I don't know how he and scare the
Speaker 1: heck out of you. Yeah, because, yeah, you know, but
Speaker 1: he Georgia key. He's talking about a Georgia kid and
Speaker 1: the body control, the flexibility. He's right, yeah, dci if
Speaker 1: you watch the Flashes, you watch the Alabama game, Yeah,
Speaker 1: top ten picks, the top five, pick a guy that
Speaker 1: you consider with the number one overall. Sure, but when
Speaker 1: you watch the whole body of work, and you know,
Speaker 1: people get on Joey Bosa for having five sacks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this Kim d in thirty four get seven sacks. You're right,
Speaker 1: and he's the first to admit he was lazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you draft a guy like that who admits
Speaker 1: he was lazy? I get the Flashes, I get how
Speaker 1: talented he is, but how could you have any confidence
Speaker 1: that he's going to reach that ceiling? This is where
Speaker 1: scouts get in trouble. The Flashes. Oh yeah, the Flashes.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want him to do it again. You know
Speaker 1: what but then again, you got to look at the
Speaker 1: kid in the face and see if he's lying to
Speaker 1: you or not. Noah Spence is going through the same
Speaker 1: thing right now. Absolutely. Team teams are looking at Noah
Speaker 1: Spence and they're saying he's a fraud, you know, he's
Speaker 1: lying to me, or they're saying, you know what, I
Speaker 1: believe the kid, I believe. It's that's split. It's a split.
Speaker 1: I like the fact the Alba box thinking on Kim Dici.
Speaker 1: I've seen him play in and I do on the move.
Speaker 1: He's tough. Yeah, here with Marionelli again. Yeah, but then again,
Speaker 1: work with Marionelli was Randy Gregory and you know, and
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence and yeah, yeah, exactly. He's not wrong about
Speaker 1: the talent and how good he could be. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just don't know how you could have any confidence that
Speaker 1: he'll reach that peak, reach how good he could great question.
Speaker 1: I watched the full special on Kim Dici actually this
Speaker 1: past week. Just I'm very fascinated by him. You know,
Speaker 1: he's obviously this big time guy. His big thing going
Speaker 1: into the combine was his forty So he's right on
Speaker 1: the fact that he is athletic, three hundred pound guy
Speaker 1: worried about his forty not normally what you hear, but uh,
Speaker 1: what will they do with him? Will a team take
Speaker 1: a risk on him? Ravens could take a risk with him.
Speaker 1: You know, he might be an interesting guy to fit
Speaker 1: there with the Ravens. That's in my second round mock.
Speaker 1: I had Kim Dici going fall into the Ravens talking
Speaker 1: about a guy that we're on. It's the flannel. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the full and that's the talking about the Ravens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just sticking where they are and yeah, next you know
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. We should have taken it and
Speaker 1: lead and Lee and George is gonna go. You know
Speaker 1: what I called you about that? Candici guy? What were
Speaker 1: you guys thinking? What's everyone saying about Randy Gregory right now?
Speaker 1: I know should have seen it coming, No, I know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot of both ways.
Speaker 1: Oh it does go all right, can't give it to us? Yeah.
Speaker 1: David in Appleton, Wisconsin, David and Appleton have even at
Speaker 1: your chilies before. What's up? David? Very nice? Hey guys
Speaker 1: looking quick question. Um, I wonder if you can tell
Speaker 1: me the difference between mole Claiborne and Ramsey because everything
Speaker 1: I've heard about Ramsey this year as far as the
Speaker 1: best cover corner in the draft, if not the best
Speaker 1: defensive player in the draft, is exactly what I heard
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve regarding Claiborne. I love this question, David,
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I love this question because an
Speaker 1: enemy territory. I love Wisconsin fans, though good football than give.
Speaker 1: I was walking my dog this morning and just I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about everything going on right now, and I thought
Speaker 1: about that question popped in my mind, Like you know,
Speaker 1: I couldn't shoot any holes and mo I mean that
Speaker 1: that's seeing some similarities between the two when you're talking
Speaker 1: about Jale Ramsey strictly as a corner. Yeah, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's a fair question. What do you think
Speaker 1: about that? See, that's what I all along. I thought
Speaker 1: he was a safety exactly. I mean all along. But
Speaker 1: I if you said, who's a better corner if they
Speaker 1: if both these guys are in the straft, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm even giving you the kid. I'm giving you the
Speaker 1: Florida kid is a better corner. Sure, I'm giving you
Speaker 1: a Hart's the argument I'm giving you. I'm giving you
Speaker 1: a guy who plays small as a better corner, you know,
Speaker 1: so that that's my concerned And Mo Mo was, you
Speaker 1: know what, I've got six buddies. You every gets tired
Speaker 1: of hearing you say they had six buddies are general
Speaker 1: managers in this league. And I asked him about that.
Speaker 1: Would you have done the deal for Mo every one
Speaker 1: of them? Yeah? He was our best corner, absolutely, But
Speaker 1: I didn't get the I didn't get the feeling they'll
Speaker 1: listening to them say that he couldn't play corner. This
Speaker 1: this kind of is one of those things where people
Speaker 1: are like saying, hey, you know, you got guys like
Speaker 1: Dion Sanders potentially saying he can't play corner. If Campo,
Speaker 1: I mean, guys in this building, guys at Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: listens to right, it'll be interesting to see if they,
Speaker 1: in fact, you know, go that route. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think that you know, it's going to be one of
Speaker 1: those you know what, We're not going to listen. We're
Speaker 1: not gonna listen. We're gonna we're gonna focus in on
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do and go that round. Ramsey's a
Speaker 1: phenomenal athlete, so I think he will get better at
Speaker 1: that corner. But he's also very leggy. He doesn't really
Speaker 1: have a twitch, and his hips sounds like what's the
Speaker 1: stuff that Sanders is saying? Right? And and then if
Speaker 1: that's that's a Florida state crime on crime though right
Speaker 1: there now, so be careful, all right, one more call
Speaker 1: kit Yeah, Brandon in Kansas City, got the last word, Brandon,
Speaker 1: bring us some barbecue? What do you got? I got
Speaker 1: some barbecue. So my amateur level evaluation of Joey Bosa
Speaker 1: was actually kind of helped a little bit by watching
Speaker 1: highlights of Darren Lee and Eli Apple right um, every
Speaker 1: time that they made a big play, Bosa was within
Speaker 1: a couple feet of the quarterback, putting pressure on him.
Speaker 1: So this is kind of sets why a little bit.
Speaker 1: So that being said, as soon we're picking at number four,
Speaker 1: is it more helpful to our secondary to have Bosa
Speaker 1: or is it more helpful to our d line to
Speaker 1: have Ramsey at either position? And h Taylor, I like
Speaker 1: your watch. I think it's an old boyfriend's gift. Old boyfriend. Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you very much for the call their brand chicken
Speaker 1: egg argument. You know, does the pass rush help the
Speaker 1: secondary or does a good secondary help your pass rush.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm inclined to believe give me the pass rush,
Speaker 1: given you guys up a pressure on the quarterback and
Speaker 1: you can get away with some maybe some holes in
Speaker 1: the secondary. But you know, we've debated Joey Bosa all along.
Speaker 1: But I do agree with what he said about how
Speaker 1: you know, yes, he had five sacks last year. But
Speaker 1: if you're just if that's the hang up, then you're
Speaker 1: not watching him on tape, you know, you're not doing
Speaker 1: the world No, and and Brandon, I think he made
Speaker 1: a very good point because you do watch some of
Speaker 1: those other guys play, and Bosa's in he's in position
Speaker 1: and again and he's facing double teams, and trust just
Speaker 1: what you're gonna get it. Yeah, that's will be it
Speaker 1: to me. That shows that he's an a selfish player too,
Speaker 1: you know, if he's willing to set these other guys up.
Speaker 1: Obviously Ohio State has ten guys going to Chicago next week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that's a huge thing to say, But you're right,
Speaker 1: why do you want to let the ball get out
Speaker 1: of the quarterback's hand? Why would you risk that. Let's
Speaker 1: get it out, you know, let's stomp him there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh be aggressive on the in the front seven
Speaker 1: bands want a special player at four. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: there's a special player that's going to be there now, Miles.
Speaker 1: Jack could have been, Yeah, he could have been if
Speaker 1: if he would check out. Okay, we're gonna be back
Speaker 1: with him next week. Than you are they gonna take
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you on the spot here. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with what sources are saying. We got a Zeke
Speaker 1: coming Todas, We got Zeke in the building, Zeek in
Speaker 1: the building. Okay. Well, for my buddies, Dave Brewer, we'll
Speaker 1: be back next Tuesday, Draft show and all Tuesday Wednesday
Speaker 1: and then covering the draft for for Dane, for Taylor Stirt.
Speaker 1: Thanks again so much, buddy for bringing a lot of
Speaker 1: energy to the show. We appreciate that, can't Garrison, thank
Speaker 1: you for keeping us on the air. Thanks everybody out
Speaker 1: there for all the tweets, the questions that calls, Lee,
Speaker 1: David Brandon, Sam, you guys were all great today. We
Speaker 1: appreciate that. So we will see you Tuesday, eleven am
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