WEBVTT - Draft Show: Is Ramsey Another Mo Claiborne? 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:12.320 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:16.560 on your war room for insider news and draft analysis 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:20.119 from deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at Valley Rant. 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:24.000 The Dallas Cowboys Selection by Rand Joe and now your 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:29.600 hosts Dame Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us six 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:33.640 days till the NFL Draft takes place from Chicago, Illinois. 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:37.640 You've got the Draft Show. We're gonna carry you to 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:41.240 the draft and through the draft here to investigate and 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:45.440 educate like we always do. Dame Burglar, CBS Sports, Dallas 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:50.360 Cowboys dot Com. Taylor Stern, my buddy who sits behind 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:52.960 me and one of the few people that actually loves 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:54.760 to sit on and watch tape with me. Dane, if 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.120 you will believe that everyone else in that draft in 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.560 that room for Dallas Cowboys dot Com, it's kind of 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:03.200 a in and out and then out, you know that 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.600 kind of a deal. But you know not, Taylor, Dave. 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.320 Dave sits down two three plays. I can ah, guy, 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:12.040 can't play guy, I can't play No tail sit there 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:14.160 and watch tape with you. Gotta watch the guy through 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:16.399 like you said. I mean, I really loved your rhyme 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:20.120 to start off, you know, carry you through, investigate education, 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:22.199 that's what That's what we do here at the Draft show. 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:24.119 I like it. Tay you thanks for being here today. 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.280 So appreciate that. She's got a lot of really good insights. 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:30.399 She's got some buddies in this league, and buddies that 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.680 are handled it. Some of these quarterbacks too, George Winfield 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.920 and guys like that. So some interesting stories from you. 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.280 But we do appreciate you being here. Kate Garrison, Executive 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:42.440 producing of the show. Hello, Kent. He's ready for this 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:44.720 draft to get started, much like I'm ready for a 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.520 fifteen hour draft show. And that's that's absolutely right. It's 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.080 a nice segue, Ken, I appreciate you doing that. Uh, 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:52.920 Draft shows next week. We got today, of course, we 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:57.560 got draft shows Tuesday, normal time eleven am Central, Wednesday 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.440 eleven am Central as well, and then once the draft 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.720 starts Thursday, Friday, Saturday, we will be here from the 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:07.680 opening pick to the very last pick to mister irrelevant. 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.240 We will bring it to you from Dallas. Cowboys dot 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.480 Com have a lot of folks going in and out. 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:15.600 Dane and I will be the one constant along with 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:19.520 Kent Garrison and but we'll have a lot of guests, coaches, players, interviews, 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:21.880 We'll have all kinds of things going on. But we're 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.320 if you're if you're a fan of Dallas Cowboys, great, 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:26.920 we welcome you to jump on board with us. If 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:29.160 you're a fan of another team, jump on board with 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.520 us because we're gonna talk about your pick. If you're 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:33.480 a Buccaneers fan, we're going to talk about your pick 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:35.400 at nine. So get ready for that one to two 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.880 fifty three. Yeah. So just that's something amazing, the knowledge 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.000 that you guys have, just something we take a lot 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:42.680 of pride in and we're gonna do that. So I'm 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:45.760 going to jump into this. We had a big trade. 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:48.720 Actually we've had a couple of big trades. We talked 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:52.040 about the Tennessee trade now Philadelphia and we called it. 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.280 I mean we talked about this last week. Yeah, quarterbacks 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.800 going one two and then Eagles being the most likely 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:00.480 candidate to move up with the Browns for that orderback 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.200 that's not going number one. So I think we saw 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.800 this coming not a huge shock. The question was what 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.600 would Philadelphia give up not having that second round pick, 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.200 and they give up a lot even picks into twenty eighteen. 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:16.359 So for Cleveland makes sense. You know, they're building for 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.200 the future. They were not head over heels for Carson Wentz, 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.120 who we expect to be that pick. Where the Eagles 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.160 the other way around. You know, they don't have that 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:29.240 franchise caliber quarterback Sam Bradford the way his contract is structured, 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.040 probably one and done and they're gonna cut him and 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:34.880 then Chase Daniel you have as a backup. So theoretically 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:36.880 we might not see Carson Wentz at all this year 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.960 for the Eagles. I think that's fine. But a lot 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:42.120 of people, and I'm sure a lot of people listening 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:44.320 to this show do realize us. But now the Eagles 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:47.160 have moved twice in this draft order. Yeah, you know, 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:49.880 already trading with Miami to get up to eight good 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.680 point and giving away two key players to Miami for 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.360 that move, right, and now moving all the way up 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.560 to the top two. You don't go up to the 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.200 top two if you're not getting a fise quarterback. If 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:04.320 you're not getting a franchise player, and uh, all signs 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.480 point to it being a quarterback. But who will it be? Yeah, 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.880 Howie Rossman at the Eagles, he was in a broom closet. Well, 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.520 Chip Kelly was there. They said, hey, you go, you go. 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:15.400 Your office is now the broom closet. Well they let 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.320 him out of the broom closet. You know, he had 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.920 time to manipulate a couple. It's amazing what he got, 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.479 you know, from the Dolphins, the picks able to move 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.000 up and do with no second round picking. You guys 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:27.680 are right, he gave up a lot. But if you 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:31.039 if that's what you believe, you know, I said yesterday 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:34.920 on our show on the Talking Cowboys, you know, fortune 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:37.279 favors the bold if you believe it's a lot of 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:39.280 money though, Man, I mean a lot of money in 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.719 quarterbacks extensions and stuff like that. And you know, I 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.320 mean that's if you're gonna go. But let me ask 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.479 you guys this and and you know quarterback play as well. 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:52.760 Carson wentz though, is it was it worth it? Now? 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.520 I think you'll say something about golf. I think you 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:58.600 would agree that going to get golf like that like that, 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:03.240 but in your opinion, know, is it the right move 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:06.720 in your opinion? And it will either be proven right 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.440 or wrong on this, but it was it the right 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:13.200 move to go get Carson Wentz. In my opinion, I'm 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.240 not giving up all that to get Carson Wentz. I 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:17.960 like Carson Wentz. I think he's a first round caliber quarterback. 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:21.239 If he were there for me at eight, i'd consider 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.880 taking him. But packaging all those picks to move up 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.640 when you already don't have a second rounder this year 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.479 and so you're losing picks. To me, that's a little 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:31.960 too Richard Carson Wentz. And that's nothing against him, it's just, 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.200 you know, you have to really love a player to 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:37.240 package all those picks to go up and get him. 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:39.040 I don't love him. I like him a lot. And 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.680 so for Jared Goff, I think I could, I would 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:43.400 do that. I think that's a that's a player that 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:47.280 I like a lot. I possibly love enough to give 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:50.640 up those picks. Carson Wentz I don't feel strongly about. So, Yeah, 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:52.400 I feel the same. I mean, the first time I 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.560 really watched Carson was when we were in Mobile, Alabama. Yeah, 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.960 watching him interact with our coaches. A big thing for 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.360 me that stood out of me was his footwork. Yeah. 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.760 I didn't feel like his footwork was as strong as 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.080 you know it needed to be to be a number 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:10.080 two overall quarterback. And obviously you go and you work 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.520 out and go through this whole draft process, knowing your 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.800 strengths and your weaknesses, assuming that he's been focusing on 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:17.880 his footwork, But how much can you do? How much 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:21.200 it's just in nate with your natural talent, natural ability. 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:25.640 So I would say, no, he is not the guy 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:27.479 that I would pick if I was the Eagles. But 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:29.760 who else are you going to get? I mean it 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.520 interest is what it is in this draft class, and 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.640 the same for Goff. I mean, Goff is a very 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:39.599 interesting quarterback to me because yes, he has these this 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:43.760 field vision. You know, he's become a playmaker to Cala. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.840 But h you know, speaking with George Whitfield, who you're 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.320 telling me about this week, Dan, I'll ask you this question. 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:50.880 I've already asked broad us. I don't want him to 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.880 steal it, but do you know how many college games 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:59.919 Jared Goff actually won? Yeah? His record was like fourteen 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:05.600 in yeah, exactly, so below below five hundred. I asked 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.480 a couple of those coaches around here, you know, because 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:09.400 I see him in the halls, and I was it's 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:11.440 all the way. You're very good at bumping into coaches 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.280 and getting information. I'll give you a lot of credit 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.200 for they do just kind of Yeah, they talk to 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.320 you more they talk to me, which isn't we are 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:20.120 of good talks because I am fascinated by it, you know, 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:22.680 And I asked a couple of them, I said, you know, 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:27.920 how many one twenty, no lower lower thirteen games? And 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.200 to think about that, you know, a lot of these 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:32.720 look at Jameis Winston. You know, he was pretty much 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:36.480 undefeated throughout his time in college. Granted stacked team, but 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.880 will Jared Goff be the playmaker that the Rams need, 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.200 you know? And will he be able to carry the 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.600 team because you're assuming he's gonna start He's gonna start over, 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:49.440 start over, their guy case Keenum. So it's interesting, but 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.160 I'm just struggling with well, and when you look at 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.600 and golf to your point, that first year they were 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.760 so bad team as a team, and then a second 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.120 year sophomore five and set, and then his junior year 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.760 eight and five. So I think that progression makes you 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.720 feel a little bit better about you know, the unimpressive 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:10.320 win lost record for a starting quarterback. But then Wentz 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.400 is the opposite. You know, all he did is win 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:14.720 at North Dakota State. But right, you got the factor 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.160 in the level that he played at. Right, We've seen 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.080 it happen before, Joe Flacco and making that jump. But 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:22.720 it's just I don't care what kind of quarterback expert 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:26.000 you are, how do you account for that jump in speed, 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:30.360 the uptick in competition. Not every passer has the ability 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:34.719 to adapt with that speed and and you know, translate 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:36.600 to the next level because of that speed. It's just 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:38.760 going to be a big transition for him. It's a 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.920 big risk. This is Jay Cutler the last and maybe 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.560 somebody can help me out there in the Twitter world listen, 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:50.160 but it's Jay Cutler, the last losing quarterback to get trapped. 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.439 I mean he was at Vanderbilt, right, you know, and 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:56.800 and everybody's thinking, you know, well, maybe he took a 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.520 very good Maybe he maybe he helped Vanderbilt win a 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.040 few more games that they weren't going to win. But 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.840 is he the last quarterback that we've seen on a 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:11.600 bad team they get selected, you know, highly in this draft. Yeah, 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:14.160 I think that that makes sense. I think it is 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.720 Jay Cutler off the top of my head that that 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.440 would make a lot of sense. Um. But yeah, and 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:22.839 we don't see it often because everybody wants the winner, right, 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.320 And there's there's a big debate about quarterback wins and 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:27.640 how relevant of a stat it is because football is 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:30.199 the ultimate team game. Yeah, but at the same time, 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:33.920 quarterback is the most important position in the ultimate team game. 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:37.440 So I believe that quarterback wins is an important stat, 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.680 but it's not anything more than paying attention to completion percentage, 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.480 paying attention to you know, all these stats matter. I 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.440 don't think quarterback wins should be the be all end 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:49.800 all right of a player, but it does matter if 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:53.000 factors into the evaluation. I look at North Dakota State 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:56.440 is kind of the Alabama of the FCS. Oh, no doubt, 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:00.960 obviously dynasty like the hand repeat. Yeah, you know you're 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.400 you're talking about these bad teams and everything, but look 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:06.120 at someone like a J. McCarron. His team was dynamite. 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.920 They do play more of a pro style offense for 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:12.200 a college team. And uh, you know, yes, he's gone 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.680 to see or Cincinnati and been this back up to 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.280 Dalton and you know, helped at the playoffs this year. 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.480 But it's funny because they always talk about the Alabama 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:22.319 curse of the quarterback, right, you know, you have this 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:24.640 great college team and then you go and do this. 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.040 I think RG three is a perfect example of that 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.520 as well. Yeah, he took Baylor to a new level, 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:33.280 right level that'd never seen before. Picked very highly too. 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:34.839 I mean they get up a ton, but he's a 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.839 system quarterback, you know. So there is all these different things. 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.320 But look at Blake Bortles what he did with UCF, 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:44.680 a smaller school. That transition should be noted as well. Yeah, 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.199 I mean what about you, what are your thoughts on 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:49.880 Carson Wentz being that number two pick? And yeah, I 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.680 you know what I've I've always felt like in my 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.959 top fifties coming out to Dan Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.560 and and K Garrison was where he was laughing at 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:02.440 me because I've got Carson Wentz at seventeen. You know 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:05.400 that's my opinion. I've got I've got Lynch and then 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.600 Golf up in the top ten, but I have Carson 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:11.400 Wentz at seventeen. If I'm you know, and I've said 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.680 this before, if I'm a Cowboy fan and I and 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:17.160 I believe what I believe about Carson Wentz, I'm okay 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.640 with them making that deal. R You know, there was 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:21.640 a lot of you know, one of my favorite players 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:23.960 is Zeke Elliott. I can imagine them sitting there at 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.839 eight and grabbing Zeke and meet going, you know, and 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.480 this could be my Joey Harrington. The quarterbacks can always 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.199 that's always gonna be my my one guy that when 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:35.199 I start talking about these quarterbacks that I go, is 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.480 this my new Joey Harrington? Is this the guy that 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:39.280 I didn't think can play and all of a sudden 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:43.400 is lighting up the league? You know? And I don't 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.080 know if I would have made the steal if I 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.560 was the Eagles, like you guys said. I think you 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.320 guys said it. I think you're right spot on. I 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:52.560 don't know if I'm going up, if I'm trying to 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:56.320 get to one and to get golf, if I believe 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.360 that strongly in golf, which I think that he's right 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:03.000 there with with Lynch in my mind, Yeah, let's go. 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.120 But man, Philadelphia, that that to me is one of 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:10.520 those either sure, I'm captain obvious here. It's either gonna 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:14.640 be Wow, what a colossal It could end up like him, 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:18.040 like another NFC East team like Washington with RG three. 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.520 Everything they gave up to go get him and then 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.880 all of a sudden he's somewhere else. It's and a 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:25.679 few things. It's maybe you can say it's about in 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:29.360 these quarterbacks. Yeah. And it's ironic that last year with 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:33.000 Marcus Mariota and Chip Kelly in Philadelphia that they couldn't 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.080 get a deal done to move up from twenty all 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.320 the way up to number two. Now, who knows if 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.480 Tennessee was really playing ball, but it's just it's interesting 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.680 that they couldn't get that done. But this year with 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.679 Howie Roseman, who you know, like you said to your 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:47.760 point it was kind of pushing the broom closet. Yeah, 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:50.679 I bet he has a new perspective on you know, 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.320 how much time you have in this league, Like, sure, 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:55.280 you gotta win. Now, you gotta go for it. You 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.040 don't know who's coming through that door, exactly. Take risks, 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.439 you know, if you believe in a player, go for it. Yeah. 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:02.280 And the owner I think as a big part of 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.760 this too. The owner was with Howie Roseman and the 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:08.400 head coach, Coach Peterson when you took him out that 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:11.240 Carson was out to dinner right, these private workouts, So 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:12.920 I think the owners have had a big play in 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:14.559 this as well. But yeah, I know, I think we're 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.839 on a greement. See, I've been with Jeff Leury before, 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:18.760 by and just real quick, I've been with Jeff Lury 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.960 and in Philadelphia, and so he is a very He's 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.280 not his hands on as Jerry Jones, but he likes 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.559 to get involved, he likes to make decisions. I give 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:30.280 him credit for Jeremiah Trotter, and Jeremiah Trotter to me, 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.880 it comes back to me so vividly about and I 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.640 know Jeremiah Trotter was the third round pick, but Miles 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.840 Jack Sure and the knee and the doctors saying ten games, 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.480 ten years, I can't tell you. And I just and 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:44.560 I just keep seeing that, you know. And I keep 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:48.480 seeing the Green Bay as failing Larry Allen on the shoulder, 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:52.200 you know, and then Ron Woolf for minding the team. Doctors. Hey, 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.280 that's the guy it's gonna kick our ass today, all right, 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:57.680 that's the guy you failed, you know. And so owners 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:00.760 owners like Jeff Lurry that do let the guys do 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.600 their job, but take an approach like, hey, if we 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:06.240 feel good about this, let's go, you know, I mean, 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.120 and I and I applaud them for doing that. I 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:10.440 just don't know if I would have done it for 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:14.640 that particular player. And and are we in agreement that 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:18.199 it is going to go golf Wentz? Are you no? I? 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.840 I you know? And I'm interested now in what happens 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.200 in front of Dallas and it's these you know, five 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.400 minutes before we take our next our first break of 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:31.640 the day. What happens now, What happens now is your 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:36.720 mindset changed? What potentially can happen to you? Uh? You know? 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.480 Is that something that did you expect at both quarterbacks? 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:41.880 I mean we've all kind of talked about this in 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:43.440 the draft show. We thought it was going to be 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:48.240 offensive tackle quarterback. I don't think quarterback quarterback now that 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.920 pushes a guy down to you potentially. And I think 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.640 the last week or so, two weeks since the Rams freight, 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:56.040 I think we've had a good feel it's gonna be 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.960 quarterbacks one two, And then the question is, okay, the 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.120 draft starts at number three with the Chargers, and I 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:04.000 think San Diego right now, what they're doing is they're 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.920 leaking that they loved Tunsel, but they also love Ramsey, 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:10.000 They also love Buckner, they love all that's what I'm Yeah, 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:13.080 that's what I'm saying. They in there. So say Jaguars, 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.800 for example, number five, say they love Jalen Ramsey. They're 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.800 looking for that playmaker in the secondary right. They think, oh, 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.400 he might go three. Now, well let's let's give up 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:23.920 a pick to move up two spots, get in front 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.960 of Dallas. Take San Diego's pick for San Diego. That's 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.440 exactly what they want. But if they if they stay 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:32.120 at three, um, you know, it's it. They have a 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:35.800 tough choice offensive line that tackle who, in my opinion, 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:37.760 is the best player in their draft. Laramie Tunsel can 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:41.000 stabilize that offensive line or do they go defensive playmaker 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.720 the Forest Bucking or a Jalen Ramsey. So Chargers are 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:45.840 really a wild card and that will have an impact 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.720 on number four and where the where the Cowboys go. Absolutely, 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.120 you know, I was curious and I wanted to ask 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.600 you guys, is Tounsel falling? I mean, you know that's 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.160 a good question. It's true. I mean you said it 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:00.520 last week. Um, you know, sitting here last Wednesday, we're 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:05.000 thinking Tounsil's going one. Overall pretty in agreement since December 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.440 that that would be the case, um, due to these 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.320 quarterbacks that are in this draft. Now, it's looking like 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.640 he's maybe being at fall That's a great question be there. Yeah, 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.120 is he? Is he falling? That? I mean that's because 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:19.080 you kind of see if you look at ESPN and 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:22.840 you know, and what their mock drafts were yesterday, Stanley 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.560 was going ahead a Tonsil, and I was sitting there going, man, 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:31.000 I mean I got Jack Conklin over Stanley myself on 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.600 to You're not the only one. See, That's what I'm saying. 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.560 I'm kind of thinking that. I'm thinking, like, this is 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.280 not right. If you're telling me that Stanley's going ahead 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:41.680 a tonsil, then I then I need to go and 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:43.880 move and open that bar like I talk about every 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.600 day Taylor, you know, with Costa Rica. I need to 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:48.800 figure that out here. Yeah, I need to go do that, 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:53.920 because again, you know, I just don't Tonsil to me. 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.920 I believe he's number one on your draft. Yeah, I've 0:16:57.920 --> 0:16:59.800 got him a number four on my on my list, 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:03.040 But I've never thought about Tunsil falling out of the 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:06.479 top five. And I think if if for whatever reason, 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:10.320 if if Stanley ends up going ahead of Tonsil, I 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.560 think it's purely a personality thing, or that team did 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:17.000 not love Laramie Tunsel in terms of his off field 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:21.399 or his injury. Yeah, because playwise, I don't know how 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.760 someone can try and convince me that Ronie Stanley is 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:25.720 a better player than Larrmy Tunssel. I think there's a 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.560 sizeable gap in terms of talent. Agree with you, So 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:31.760 I don't know if it does happen. You know, And 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.639 to your point about Conklin Stanley at number two, I 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:36.760 think that's where the debate is. It's who should good 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.720 number two from the offensive tackle rice because LARREMYE. Tunsel 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.199 is clear cut number one. At the end of the day, 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.360 I still think Larmie Tunsel's a top tackle. I mean, 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.240 I know some people have had Larymy Tunssel fallowing a 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.720 little bit, and he could fall he could. I just 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.840 can't see a scenario where Baltimore Ravens pass on Larremy Tunssel. Yeah. 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.040 I don't either, That's what I mean. See, the Ravens 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:56.960 are one of those teams, so we and we all 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.040 love Ozzie Newsom sitting there. It's one of my I mean, 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.679 I don't love many Obama guys, but I love Osie 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:03.560 news to me, sits there with me at the at 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:06.080 the Senior Bowl. We interact, we have fun, you know, 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:10.080 and and I I just every time he's in a draft, 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.520 it seems like a great player falls right in his lap, right, 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:15.520 you know, he just sits there and like, you know what, 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:17.720 I'm just gonna Du'm just gonna fall. Oh whoa, I've 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.000 got the best tackle the draft. I sure could use 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:23.359 a tackle here. I'll take that guy. You know that 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:25.879 seems to happen. But let me ask you this though, 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:31.360 Say that San Diego does take Buckner and I'm not 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:33.960 trying to get you to take Tonsil. I'm not trying 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:37.879 to do it. But man, if Ramsey's on the board, 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.639 you got bosses on the board, Tonsils on the board. 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:46.119 Zeke's on the board. I mean, is he pick up 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.480 that phone? Your phone's gonna be off the hunt? Yeah? 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.440 Do you do? You do you try? Do you try 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:53.960 and get out of there? Oh? Yeah, you're your phone lines? 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.760 You just kinda put the phone there it is, wait 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:58.520 for it to ring because it's going to ring. Yeah. 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:02.040 And now is there a and enticing enough offer? Yeah? 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.280 And how far you have to move back and that's 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:06.719 the other thing, because you know you're looking at it 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:10.680 and you have four awesome players before you just mentioned 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:14.080 with Ramsey, Bosa Zeke and then Tounsil. Right, you can't 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:16.080 move away from all four though, I mean you don't 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:17.440 want to at least right, you know you want to 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:19.919 get in you cat options. You can't trade out of 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:23.359 the top ten. That's absolutely true. If you want this playmaker, 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:26.040 you really can't. Yeah, you really can't. I did, and 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:28.639 I don't know. There's no obvious trade partners. I mean 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:31.720 there's a few maybe's. Maybe maybe the Ravens would be 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:33.800 spooked and look try to make jump two spots to 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:37.120 get Tonsil. Probably not the Giants, and we talked about 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.520 that before the Giants going up. How about New Orleans 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.719