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Speaker 1: All right, this is Billy Wagner and this is the

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Speaker 1: Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd Z A lucky brought

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Speaker 2: to you by the Foul Territory Network. How is everybody doing?

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Speaker 2: I hope you are doing well. The holidays are almost here,

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Speaker 2: just days away, and we have a special gift for

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Speaker 2: all of you. Last week we spend some time with

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Speaker 2: former Phillies closer Billy Wagner. Billy Wagner, who's going to

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Speaker 2: find out next month January twenty first, to be specific,

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Speaker 2: six pm Eastern on MLB Network if he has finally

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Speaker 2: been inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Billy

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Speaker 2: is in his tenth and final year of eligibility with

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Speaker 2: the BBWAA. He fell five votes short last year or

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Speaker 2: earlier this year, I should say, so, he has a

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Speaker 2: great chance of getting in. Obviously, he hopes to get in.

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Speaker 2: Jim Rubin and I all think he is worthy of

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Speaker 2: getting in. Billy for the Phillies two thousand and four,

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Speaker 2: two thousand and five, may the NL All Star Team

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Speaker 2: in two thousand and five. Before we start this interview,

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Speaker 2: I want to kind of just read to use some

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Speaker 2: of the stats on Billy's career and why I think

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Speaker 2: he's Hall of Fame worthy. Eighth in baseball history, four

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty two saves, finish his career with a

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Speaker 2: two point three to one ERA. It's second best, second

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Speaker 2: lowest in baseball history of any pitcher with seven hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty or more career innings. The only pitcher better

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Speaker 2: Mariano Rivera. Billy Wagner first in baseball history in strikeouts

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Speaker 2: nine strikeouts per nine innings, lowest opponents batting average against

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Speaker 2: point one eight seven. Highest strikeout rate thirty three point

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Speaker 2: two percent. And when you look at those strikeout numbers

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Speaker 2: for Billy Wagner and you look at the guys just

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Speaker 2: below them on the list, they're all current modern day

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Speaker 2: pitchers Snell, Chris Sale, Robbie Ray, Jacob Degram, Max Suser.

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Speaker 2: Billy was a unicorn in a day when guys did

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Speaker 2: not blow one hundred mile heaters nasty sliders past everybody.

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Speaker 2: Billy Wagner did it, and we wanted to have Billy

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Speaker 2: on for quite a long time. Billy's a lot of

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Speaker 2: fun to cover, obviously, he's dominating the back end of

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Speaker 2: the bullpen, but also a very candid person, a good

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Speaker 2: person in general. And one of my favorite stories in

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Speaker 2: baseball history involves Billy Wagner and Jim Salisbury spring training

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Speaker 2: of two thousand and five. Stay tuned, you're gonna love

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Speaker 2: that one. Billy Wagner, everybody, Billy Wagner Man, thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for joining the Philly Show. We're so excited

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Speaker 2: to have you. It's the holiday season, which means a

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Speaker 2: lot of family stuff, of course, and you must, I mean,

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Speaker 2: what a great year for you and your family. Your

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Speaker 2: son will makes his big league debut with the Blue Jays,

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Speaker 2: your daughter's playing college hoops that Winthrop. You know what,

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Speaker 2: what's this past you've been like for And of course

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Speaker 2: you know down the road, hopefully next month you find

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Speaker 2: out if you're going to make the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: Well, the most stressful thing is watching your kids.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, you know, we have our months off

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Speaker 3: that we get to actually relax and enjoy really life.

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Speaker 3: But you know, when our kids are into the sports,

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Speaker 3: I mean it's it's about twenty four to seven, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, getting you know, just it's so you know, it's

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Speaker 3: Down your parent time, I would say, And so you know, really,

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Speaker 3: I mean as much as my kids probably keep up

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Speaker 1: I'm coaching. I'm following them. You know, when you become

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll definitely talk about the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 2: Will's Big league debut in August. You did you get

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Speaker 1: No? We got there. It was great.

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Speaker 3: I mean it was you know, we drove driven down

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Speaker 1: I mean, that is pretty special.

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Speaker 2: Not only did he get it out of the way,

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Speaker 3: Well, his mom didn't raise a fool's looking hard, look hard, baby,

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Speaker 4: I uh, you know, I can't imagine the thrill you

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Speaker 3: I think circumstances were completely different, But you know, for me,

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Speaker 1: For Will, you know, it's probably more enjoyable.

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Speaker 3: Because you know the path and you have he has

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Speaker 3: With the Phillies, I mean shagging and really understanding that

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Speaker 1: Well, uh, Billy, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: good to see. Uh, you know, I had a lot

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Speaker 6: Tell me exactly went through what threatened? You know, I've

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Speaker 6: But tell me exactly what you were feeling when and

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Speaker 6: what were the circumstances behind that phone call.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know how emotional I am. I'm very emotional

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Speaker 2: That's right. You know, Billy, Jim and I were talking

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Rubin, you probably know more about those things.

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Speaker 6: We were different types of players. I was a switch hitter,

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Speaker 1: You billy, Oh, I agree. I tell you.

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Speaker 3: You know, when a young kid gets to walk into

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Speaker 3: You know, David Bell told me, guys that can give

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Speaker 3: Not maybe in physical but I mean how you see

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Speaker 3: You know a lot of times I'm going, hey, that's

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Speaker 3: that's who you want to emulate right there.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I just went around, did my job, Here's what

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Speaker 1: But the quality of what you face daily is so impressive.

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Speaker 2: I think I want to know if one of the

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Speaker 3: You're gonna walk up from though Jesus Christy and he

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Speaker 4: Well, I actually I wanted to do it because Billy.

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Speaker 4: my eyes going. But the upshot of that billy is

438
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 4: Todd's shoulder still hurts. I have an eight billy, I

439
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 4: have an eight year old son.

440
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 2: I'll play in the backyard catch with them, and my

441
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 2: about ten throws in my shoulder starts certain and I

442
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 2: go the freaking belly Wagner story man, that's still barking

443
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 2: after like almost twenty years. You know, I'm still still

444
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 2: fill in the pain from trying to get Jim so

445
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 2: he could catch the baseball. But you know, I remember

446
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 2: Mick bill Mury, Mick bill Meyer being there, was there.

447
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,400
Speaker 1: Everybody was thinking this was going to be a joke.

448
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 3: I mean I remember, and I was like, you know

449
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 3: this is I mean, it's you know, it's you're not

450
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Speaker 3: catching a guy who just got to the you know, drafted,

451
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 3: who's really not sure what's going on. I mean, all

452
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 3: you're doing it and so you know the biggest thing

453
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 3: is going to be a breaking ball.

454
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Speaker 1: It'd be you'd be like me trying to catch.

455
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Speaker 3: I remember when I went to Japan and was playing

456
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 3: I wanted to go play catch with Pauffman and him

457
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 3: filmy change up and flashed on me his breaking ball,

458
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden You're like, hey, okay, now

459
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 3: don't tell me and just throwing then your coach shit,

460
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 3: I mean, and it's all of a sudden, that's what

461
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 3: That's what that all speed?

462
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 1: Really, doesn't you know?

463
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 3: And that really stands out to me is kind of

464
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 3: like the feeling you had. There was no better feeling

465
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Speaker 3: to sit there and see what everybody else sees.

466
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Speaker 1: Uh. The problem was I think you were like, this

467
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Speaker 1: is really hittable. I just don't. I don't. I'm not

468
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 1: getting it. I'm not getting it.

469
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Speaker 3: And uh, you know whether where I'm sitting there catching

470
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 3: Hoffman and going, how in God's names anybody hit that?

471
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Speaker 1: So, I mean, I appreciate you making me feel good.

472
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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what though, So that day, you know,

473
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Speaker 4: the day comes, I was I was very anxious obviously,

474
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Speaker 4: and you know I go out there, Now, Billy's all business.

475
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 4: I mean, because I remember telling Billy said, now, Billy,

476
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Speaker 4: I want you to really, you know, give me it

477
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 4: all right, And he goes, don't worry, I'm gonna cheat you.

478
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 4: And so we go out there on the half field

479
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Speaker 4: and he's he wants to warm up do his long

480
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Speaker 4: toss on the flat ground. So I got no mask on,

481
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 4: and his first throw on flat ground just to get

482
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Speaker 4: loose from like only ninety feet, I could hear it,

483
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 4: you know, and it was on my face like that, like,

484
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 4: and I had no mask. It was on my face

485
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 4: and I'm like, holy good god, what have I just

486
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 4: gotten into?

487
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 3: Well, you asked me by Nobody liked to play catch

488
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 3: with me because I could get I could be loosing

489
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Speaker 3: seven throws. That was I mean, my worst fear as

490
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Speaker 3: a reliever was to have somebody go, oh, let's hold

491
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Speaker 3: up and get the bases loaded.

492
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Speaker 1: That was the worst fear for me.

493
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Speaker 3: I would literally tell coaches before when they call down,

494
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Speaker 3: I go, I'm ready, and they'd be like what I'm like,

495
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 3: by the time you've walked out there, I'm ready and stuff.

496
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Speaker 3: Because that was my big spirit. I hated coaching the

497
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Speaker 3: well we'll give them one more hitter. I wanted to

498
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Speaker 3: make that decision right away. I'm good, let's.

499
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Speaker 4: Go that was a real thrill. And you know, my

500
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 4: goal was to write a good story to tell the

501
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 4: reader that, you know, show the reader the fan the

502
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 4: work that you put into your craft on days you're

503
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 4: not on in the game. And uh and and hopefully

504
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 4: I succeeded. And you know, my dad actually clipped that

505
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 4: story and had it mounted and hung in his in

506
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 4: his basement for years, and when he passed away, I

507
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 4: grabbed it and now it's on my podcasting wall. It's

508
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 4: right over my shoulder. Billy, that's pretty cool.

509
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Speaker 1: That's awesome. Hey, so, so.

510
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Speaker 6: Billy, let me let me ask you this question. I mean,

511
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 6: that was a great that was that was really wonderful.

512
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Speaker 6: Tell me about what it was like to pitch in Philadelphia,

513
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 6: people staring at that you know, radar gun. You'd hit

514
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Speaker 6: ninety nine and people were like boo, and then you know,

515
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 6: and then you'd hit one hundred and people like yeah,

516
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 6: you know, tell us someone's going through your mind during

517
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 6: that time.

518
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Speaker 3: You know what I wish, I wish I could go

519
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 3: back in that moment and been way more mature on

520
00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 3: how I handled that whole situation. But I tell you,

521
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 3: what I did appreciate about those moments is when you

522
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 3: stepped out on that field, you better have your a game,

523
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 3: You better be ready to go.

524
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Speaker 1: There was no uh, you had a tough game.

525
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Speaker 3: There was just a moment, and you know, you don't

526
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 3: realize what a hundred looks like. I mean, now you

527
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 3: looked up and it's happening a little bit more often now.

528
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 3: I mean when I was playing it, it wasn't as often.

529
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Speaker 3: And so you know, for me being a player in

530
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 3: that moment, I didn't realize how awesome that was because,

531
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 3: in my opinion, I'm chasing lines and tigers, that's who

532
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 3: I'm facing. I've got the bonds, I've got these guys,

533
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 3: and I ain't got.

534
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Speaker 1: Time to like pat myself on the back and do

535
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Speaker 1: those things.

536
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 3: And so, you know, looking back and sitting there thinking about, hey,

537
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 3: you know, when I stepped up there, everybody knew what

538
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 3: was coming. There was no secret, and you know, people

539
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 3: were excited to see that. I think, you know, those

540
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: were the moments I looked back and went, you know,

541
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: I should have played that a little different.

542
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Speaker 1: But you know, to know that you have that in

543
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: your bag, that's that's pretty good. That's pretty fun.

544
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 6: So I gotta have to say something about the hundred

545
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 6: that you threw in the hundreds of being thrown now,

546
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Speaker 6: I am, and I know this for certain that the

547
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 6: hundred that's being thrown back then is not the same

548
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 6: one hundred that's being thrown now. That's probably like one

549
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 6: hundred and four to one hundred and six in this

550
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Speaker 6: day and age. And because they are not taking that reading,

551
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 6: they're taking the reading at at the plate back in

552
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 6: the day, they're taking it out of the hand today,

553
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 6: and so it's a totally different reading. And I wanted

554
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Speaker 6: to point that out because I think it's something real.

555
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: It's it's a real thing.

556
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Speaker 6: Yes, more consistently guys are throwing harder, there's no question

557
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Speaker 6: about it. But it's a different one hundred. I think

558
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Speaker 6: that if you have been tracked today with stat cast

559
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 6: and that kind of stuff, you be tracked at a

560
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 6: much higher number.

561
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I've heard that often. I think, you know,

562
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Speaker 3: you're just seeing guys I think hard hard. I think

563
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 3: there's ninety six is that really play up and play hard?

564
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 5: You know?

565
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, the numbers are always fascinating,

566
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 3: but what really stands out is when you watch and

567
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: a guy that comes to mind me, it just amazes me.

568
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: Is uh Woody.

569
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 3: Williams who would go out there and throw eighty eight,

570
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 3: but he would always pitch in a triangle, and he

571
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 3: would just sit here and to go eighty six, eighty eight,

572
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: eighty six, eighty eight, eighty eight, eighty seven, and you

573
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 3: and just be sitting there and all of a sudden

574
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 3: you look up and you're in sixth seventh. But that

575
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: played up so much, you know, and and the velocities today,

576
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 3: and I mean, the good the good thing is being

577
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Speaker 3: able to talk to my son about guys.

578
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Speaker 1: And I think he faced the kid from wool was

579
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Speaker 1: it Anaheim? Ben Joyce? Is that his name? And I mean,

580
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: you know that's I mean, that's funny money.

581
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Speaker 3: That's that's like you know, I mean starts winging when

582
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: he steps on the mount kind of stuff.

583
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Speaker 1: I think there's something to it. I just I think

584
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Speaker 1: there's a.

585
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 3: Defer difference in the commitment to what you're doing. Can

586
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 3: you imagine facing a Waldis Chapman in the seventies and

587
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 3: eighties who would throw at your neck? I mean that

588
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 3: being like that where today's game, you know, they're they're hey,

589
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 3: it's you're you're in a box and stuff. I think

590
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 3: these kids today are the pitchers have to be a

591
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 3: little different unfortunately, but you know when I when I.

592
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: Talk to big league hitters, they still say hards hard.

593
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 2: Well, Bill, I mean, like, I was just looking at

594
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 2: your stats statement. Obviously you're throwing hard in the slider

595
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: and being a great pitcher. You had tremendous successes. Look

596
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: at your career numbers. Two point three one year in

597
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: your career, four hunder, twenty two career saves. And this

598
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: is the cool part. Your strikeout rate eleven point nine

599
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: strikeouts per nine innings. It's the best in baseball history

600
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: of any pitcher with nine hundred more innings pitched. One

601
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: eighty seven. Opponent's batting average against, best in baseball history

602
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: at any pitcher with over nine hundred more innings. Second

603
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: lowest ERA ever nine hundred more innings. I think it's

604
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: the lowest by by a lefty. Uh, second lowest lowest

605
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: e RA A yeah, like yeah, like I said, by

606
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: by a lefty. So, you know, just a tremendous, tremendous career.

607
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: And you know you came so close to the Hall

608
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: of Fame last year. I've read some things that you

609
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: said after that last vote said, it's just such a

610
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: wild roller coaster. Can you put into words what these

611
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 2: weeks are like right now? Are you?

612
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: Well? Is it?

613
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 3: I try really hard not to pay attention that last year.

614
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,479
Speaker 3: I mean, as we went along through this ten year grind,

615
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 3: you know, you know, it's easy to see the growth,

616
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden you get over to

617
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: sixty and then everybody's like, oh, hey, you know, that's

618
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 3: nobody's ever not gotten in over sixty. And then you

619
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 3: get to sixty four and you're and you don't get

620
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 3: you know, you know it was it was. Last year

621
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 3: was tough emotionally, not so much just watching the process

622
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 3: as much as you know, trying to stay.

623
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Speaker 1: Out of that mindset of what's going to happen.

624
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: I mean, uh, you know, coaching is my life and

625
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: I lean on that a lot, and especially in these

626
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 3: days when there's the Hall of Fame talk and so,

627
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: you know, last year, all of a sudden, NBC Nightly

628
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 3: News shows up. I had no idea, and so I'm

629
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: I'm dealing with that, and you know, they pulled me

630
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 3: off side and go, hey, do you got meant to

631
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 3: talk about why you didn't make it? You know, I'm

632
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 3: on the I mean, and there's my team. It was

633
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: very hard to sit there and go all right, oh yeah,

634
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 3: you only missed about five votes. Huh nice, Okay, you

635
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 3: know it was tough, but you know, you know, I

636
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: was blessed to be in a situation where I could

637
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: create a coachable situation and how to handle and deal

638
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: with it. But I really inside it was the most

639
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: miserable thing I'd ever had gone through as a for

640
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: myself personally, and so you know, I you know, it's

641
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 3: such a great honor to be on that ballot, and

642
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 3: there's so many people that's been on that ballot that

643
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: haven't gotten to the opportunity that I have and stuff.

644
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: But you know, as an athlete who.

645
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: Gets to this far or past athlete, you know, it's

646
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: the ultimate.

647
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: You've reached the top of the pyramid. Right now.

648
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 3: If to be in the Hall of Fame, you're talking

649
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 3: about the grades of the greats, You're not talking about

650
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: anything else. And you know, to think about yourself being

651
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 3: in any conversation where Hofs at the end of your

652
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: name is humbling, and you know, is pretty sacred for

653
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 3: me to look at.

654
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 4: Billy, I mean, here you are, this exciting time, you

655
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 4: keep going up on the ballot. I think you belong there.

656
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 4: I hope you get there. I am a sucker for

657
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 4: a good story. I just love a good story. I

658
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 4: actually think they could make a movie about your life.

659
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 4: I mean, here's this kid who breaks his dominant arm,

660
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 4: his throwing arm as a little boy and says, Okay,

661
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 4: screw it, I'll learn to I learned to throw with

662
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 4: my other arm and become like this great left hander.

663
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's it's an amazing, amazing story. And

664
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 4: it shows like like I've been around pro athletes like

665
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 4: pretty much my whole life. They're special. They have this

666
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 4: elite athleticism, but the really great ones have intangible character, competitiveness, drive,

667
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 4: that's the word I'm looking for. And you have all

668
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 4: that those physical tools, but you had that drive to

669
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 4: overcome that injury as a little kid, learn to throw

670
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 4: left handed and become the hardest throwing left hand on

671
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 4: the planet and one of the best relievers in the

672
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 4: history of the game.

673
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: My god, you.

674
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 4: Were blessed with unbelievable and tangibles. Where did all that

675
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 4: come from?

676
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: Well, I really think that you know, it's you know,

677
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: it's very easy to sit there and go hey, you know,

678
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 3: I was blessed by God. But it's obvious that I

679
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: show it every time I went out on the mound

680
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 3: that I was blessed. But I think it was also

681
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: one of those situations where it allowed me to be

682
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: on a platform and a lot of times that I,

683
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: you know, was humbled and went through some things that

684
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: I think it was God's way of giving me the

685
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: opportunity to be a coach, to talk to kids, to

686
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 3: really talk about ways to do things different and a

687
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: little bit better, to have the experience, you know, and

688
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 3: I had the blessing of playing with so many people

689
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 3: that were you know, inspiring to me.

690
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: That and meeting so many guys.

691
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you think about the people that

692
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 3: you get involved with on a daily basis in pro

693
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 3: baseball that you get to see and you get to see.

694
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: Walking Robin Roberts. I remember taking Robin Robins out to dinner.

695
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: Holy Cow.

696
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 3: I mean, one of the greatest things in my life

697
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 3: was sitting there talking to Sandy Kofex. Those are the things,

698
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 3: but I think that gave me an insight that also

699
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: God gave me the ability to have this journey and

700
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 3: get sixteen years in so that I could be a

701
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 3: coach and sit there and tell kids and help them

702
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,959
Speaker 3: deal with today's anxieties in the day's game that has

703
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: manifest into something at times that is unrecognizable.

704
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 6: Billy, you and I have something in common, man, and

705
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 6: we both had to teach ourselves to throw with our

706
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 6: opposite hand. I was originally a left handed thrower, and

707
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 6: I wanted to be like my brother, so I turned

708
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 6: I taught myself how to throw right handed. I ended

709
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 6: up just like my dad. I wanted to be an

710
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 6: infielder and all the other stuff. Why didn't you teach

711
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 6: me how to create some arm speed? Because I had

712
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 6: the weakest arm on the planet in the outfield.

713
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: You know.

714
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 3: You know who else was a natural? Darryl Kyle was

715
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 3: a natural left hander, and me and him would trade

716
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 3: gloves and people play kitchen. If you could only have

717
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 3: seen how good he threw a curveball. His curveball is

718
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 3: really good anyway, then he could throw a left handed curveball.

719
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 3: There are so many guys that have that weirdness to him.

720
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 3: And you know, when it's it's amazing what athletes can

721
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 3: do to survive and to get to where they want

722
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 3: to go.

723
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 6: Well, your stories are one of the best ones ever man,

724
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 6: of all time, and I hope it culminates in the

725
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 6: right spot because you definitely deserve. As far as I'm concerned.

726
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 6: If I'm voting, man, you're You're a Hall of Famer

727
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 6: to me, Man, no question.

728
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 4: Billy, what does what does Hall of Fame night look

729
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 4: for you?

730
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: Look like?

731
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: For you?

732
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 4: In the family? Hall of Fame Day announcement day.

733
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not going to know. I'm not gonna know.

734
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: I you know, that's too hard. I'm not very good

735
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 1: at that. I mean, you know, I know my kids

736
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: will be keeping up with it.

737
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 3: I know I'll be very anxious because I know what

738
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 3: this is, I know what what's on the line right here,

739
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 3: and so you know it'll be it'll be difficult to

740
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 3: find a way to get through to six o'clock.

741
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, you.

742
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 3: Know, I know I've had conversations with the Hall of

743
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 3: Fame going, hey, you know, it looks like this, we

744
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 3: need to have time like nope, kiss of death.

745
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm not talking to nobody, and I'm not trying to

746
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: be that guy.

747
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 3: But I mean, you know, my lifestyle growing up has

748
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 3: always been waiting on the other shoot of fall. And

749
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 3: I'm not going to sit here and put myself in

750
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: such a situation where it's so disappointing that you know,

751
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 3: it's that I have to, you know, apologize for being upset.

752
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: And so the less people around me the better.

753
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we all wish you the best of luck.

754
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: You know. Just a couple of weeks ago, we were

755
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 2: doing a show and somebody asked us about like favorite

756
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: people Jim and I covered, and you were one of

757
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,959
Speaker 2: the guys that immediately popped into our heads just because

758
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: you were so much fun to talk to. And obviously you, Billy,

759
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: you were a great quote.

760
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: And we and we loved it in front office.

761
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 6: We loved in the office.

762
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 3: I say right now that that and see that right

763
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: there when when I talked to Will, that's exactly like,

764
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: I don't care how what's going on.

765
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: You just said, yes, sir, No certain, yes, ma'am. No, ma'am.

766
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,959
Speaker 1: You do not say anything else. I said.

767
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: I said, I've got a whole wall of things to

768
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: not do. You know, but that you know, in that

769
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: environment you go from Houston to Philly, I mean, you're

770
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 3: you're talking about the opposite spectrum of everything, and then

771
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 3: even if you had a bad game in Houston. I

772
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 3: was never like, oh you you looked like you weren't

773
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 3: very good tonight, or you you know, you didn't have

774
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 3: those weird questions where in Philly you could go out

775
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: and punch out three with my pitching and you know

776
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: you've lost.

777
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: It looked like very good.

778
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 3: Those are things these kids, you know, from me, I

779
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: had no idea. Everything was a poke at me. And

780
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: so you know, from being from southwest Virginia to breezing

781
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: al Pakist, you name it.

782
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: And and that's.

783
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: Where I didn't have very good guiding send how to

784
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: handle these things.

785
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: Well, Billy, if you hadn't spoke up the Phillies, Bullpen

786
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 2: might still be on the top level.

787
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: So that's right.

788
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: Sometimes that mouth that really.

789
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: It doesn't exactly I remember after that, yeah exactly.

790
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that was so great. The first Ondex series.

791
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: I think it was after the first game the Index series,

792
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: you came down like that will not work, we need

793
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: to move down.

794
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: Already getting crushed. I was like, Bullcraft, I am not

795
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 1: dealing with that. You have one bad game.

796
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: I got so but it was funny because you know,

797
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 3: you can just say I would much read the visitors.

798
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: Now.

799
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 3: Granted, you know, when I make that decision, I think

800
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be in Philadelphia for the next ten years

801
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 3: and I'll be retired and I don't have to deal with.

802
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: This, you know, and then next thing you know, you're

803
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: dealing with it constantly.

804
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 3: I remember when I came back, I just put a

805
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 3: chair right out in the middle of the bullpen and

806
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 3: I just said, have that four games.

807
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: So, you know. But you know what's funny though, when

808
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: I'm around Philly fans, they they are way more. You know,

809
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: there's so much.

810
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 3: I probably had two of the best seasons of my

811
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 3: career in Philadelphia and they also you know, the fans

812
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 3: are when I do stuff I've come through and I'm

813
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 3: doing a sign, you know, there's always a positive to it.

814
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: I mean, there's something.

815
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 3: But you know, when you're playing and you're young and immature,

816
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 3: you don't know that passion, what that really means. And

817
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 3: so you know, when you start talking to guys after

818
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 3: you retire, people are like, oh, we loved you, and

819
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 3: You're like, what you know? And you don't realize that,

820
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 3: but I think, you know that's what I think that

821
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 3: is something you know for me that when as I

822
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 3: went through this process maturing and you know, understanding that

823
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: you know, these guys what they do on a daily basis,

824
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: you know, to come watch me play, to do this.

825
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: You know this is important and you know this is

826
00:39:58,880 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 1: their way to vent.

827
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: But at my stage and my immaturity and my where

828
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 3: I was not used to that, that was that was

829
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 3: a completely different I mean, that was a constant attack.

830
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 3: And so you know, those are things that you know,

831
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 3: you know, if I could talk to kids coming through

832
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: you know, rougher cities like Philly and Boston and New

833
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: York things like that, I would be like, hey, it's

834
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 3: never personal.

835
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: I would really.

836
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: Make that a big differ because I mean there's a

837
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 3: tendency to make that really personal when it really wasn't.

838
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 3: And you know, sometimes you just need somebody to go, hey,

839
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 3: just it's not a big thing.

840
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 4: If I could ask you really quick, because I know

841
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 4: we're taking up a lot of your time, but I'm

842
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 4: so enjoying this. You mentioned having two good years in Philly.

843
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 4: Oh five was just an unbelievable year. Seventy five appearentss

844
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 4: a one and a half ur But you also had

845
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 4: a great year in Atlanta.

846
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 6: The year you are.

847
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 3: I thought you were going to talk about my bad

848
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 3: average great.

849
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: Emanuel, Charlie. Manuel gave me.

850
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 3: I went one for one and I came in and

851
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: I looked at Charlie and I said, Charlie, how hard

852
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 3: can it really be? And if you He got me

853
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: in more games to hit. And at the end of

854
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: the year we had an eight run lead, and he

855
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: put me in the hit so I would strike out

856
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 3: and be below three hundred.

857
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: How about that. That's what friends, Virginia, friends do for you.

858
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 4: Well, he wanted to be the best hitter from Southwest Virginia.

859
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 4: Last year in Atlanta, you were great.

860
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was awesome. I've had enough.

861
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 4: You could have probably pitched two more three more years, right.

862
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: You know what, you know what I probably could have

863
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: pitched a year or two more.

864
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: But you know, there was a point where you know,

865
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 3: you knew, you know, as a player, it's enough, And

866
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know what it had been like.

867
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I think people always sit there

868
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 3: and go, well, you know you pitch well, well, you

869
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 3: know I could have pitched two more years and maybe

870
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 3: I do do well?

871
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: Or what if I go out there and pitch two

872
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: more years and it's not well.

873
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Speaker 3: So you know, honestly, I told Bobby Cox before the

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Speaker 3: season started, I said, listen, I just want to let

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Speaker 3: you know I'm not coming back.

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Speaker 1: This is it. Please don't tell anybody.

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Speaker 3: So by the time I got to my locker, he'd

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Speaker 3: already told everybody that I was retiring and stepping away.

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Speaker 1: So he didn't make it, you know.

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Speaker 3: And I think it was easy because it was one

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Speaker 3: of those things that it wasn't I wasn't going to

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Speaker 3: change or do anything.

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Speaker 1: But I will say that I really feel like I

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Speaker 1: relaxed and really.

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Speaker 3: Looked around a little bit more, really enjoyed things a

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Speaker 3: little bit more, knowing that I was blessed to go

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Speaker 3: out on my own terms. But I mean, there were

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Speaker 3: so many nights I'm sitting there. I mean, the tortos

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Speaker 3: shots that I was getting in my back, my hips,

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Speaker 3: my ankles, I mean, you know, I we could sept it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was just it was one of those things.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I was wrapped up in tape from my

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Speaker 3: ankles through my growing you know, and I was like, man,

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Speaker 3: you know, the only thing that wasn't hurting was my

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Speaker 3: shoulder and my elbow, and so it was just one

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Speaker 3: of those things I said. You know, my kids are older,

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00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 3: they're getting ready to go into that high school. It

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Speaker 3: was important for me to be a dad first. And

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Speaker 3: you know, uh, you know, I'd like to think that

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Speaker 3: I could have played longer, but you know, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm happy with where I left.

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Speaker 1: I don't regret what I've done.

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Speaker 6: Well, you definitely have. You definitely left your You left

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Speaker 6: your mark, man, you left your legacy, and and I

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Speaker 6: have a great deal of respect for for you to

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Speaker 6: step away from when you when you did, because that's

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Speaker 6: a personal thing, and that's something that that I appreciate

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Speaker 6: that you did and that you won't I agree.

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Speaker 1: I agree with Gruen.

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Speaker 4: You left your mark not only as a player and

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Speaker 4: a pitcher, but as a man. Billy, I have great

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Speaker 4: respect and appreciation for you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Yeah, we bet.

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Speaker 2: We wish you the best of luck. Hopefully it will

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Speaker 2: be a nice celebration, uh next month and then we'll

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Speaker 2: see in Cooperstown. We'll all be pulling for you.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Look forward to that.

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Speaker 2: Thanks again to Billy Wagner for the time and good

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Speaker 2: luck to Billy. January twenty first, six pm, Eastern MLB Network.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully he gets the call to Cooperstown. We'll be back later,

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