WEBVTT - Holden Caulfield Goes to War

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<v Speaker 1>Why Uzzy Media Productions. John Lennon is dead. Police have

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<v Speaker 1>a suspect in custody whom they describe only as a

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<v Speaker 1>local screwball. He is Mark David Chapman, who came to

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<v Speaker 1>New York a week ago. I left the hotel room,

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<v Speaker 1>I brought a copy of The Catcher in the Rye.

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<v Speaker 1>Signed it to Holding Caulfield. From Holding Caufield, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to tell you my whole goddamn autobiography or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just tell you about this madman stuff that happened

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<v Speaker 1>to me around last Christmas, just before I got pretty

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<v Speaker 1>run down and had to come out here and take

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<v Speaker 1>it easy. That was the holiday season for soldiers. The

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<v Speaker 1>Catcher in the Rye. They have influenced Mark David Chapman

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<v Speaker 1>when he killed John Lennon, But the novel had a

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<v Speaker 1>very different purpose for the man who wrote it. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a means of survival for J. D. Salinge. On

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<v Speaker 1>the surface, the Catcher in the Rise of story about

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<v Speaker 1>a teenage protagonist, Holden Caulfield, who spends a few days

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<v Speaker 1>in New York City after getting kicked out of boarding school.

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<v Speaker 1>Take a little deeper, and the story behind Catcher in

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<v Speaker 1>the rye, and you'll find it's darker and more complex

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<v Speaker 1>than people realize. This is the day for which three

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<v Speaker 1>people long have waited. This is D Day. Salinger wrote

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<v Speaker 1>that when he stormed the beach of Normandy on D Day,

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<v Speaker 1>he had with him on his person six chapters of

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<v Speaker 1>The Catcher on the Rock. No one else had copies. Kinselinski,

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<v Speaker 1>author of J. D. Salinger A Life. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>if something were to happen to Salinger, holding Calfield would die,

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<v Speaker 1>Salinger would survive, but only after witnessing and enduring unimaginable suffering.

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<v Speaker 1>Why Lord, why must I learn to testify when all

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<v Speaker 1>alone to bees do is to Catcher and the Rock.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Sean Braswell And This is the Thread a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>from Assi Media where we examine the interlocking lives and

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<v Speaker 1>events of history. We turned back the clock, one story

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<v Speaker 1>at a time to reveal how various strands are woven

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<v Speaker 1>together to create a historic figure, big idea, or an

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<v Speaker 1>unthinkable tragedy. This season, we start with the death of

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<v Speaker 1>rock star John Lennon and over the course of five episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>actually connected back to communist leader Vladimir Lenin. Along the way,

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<v Speaker 1>we meet some of the twentieth centuries greatest artists and writers.

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<v Speaker 1>We explore how each of their stories hinge on the

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<v Speaker 1>past and influence the future. If you are listening for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time, please go to episode one to start

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<v Speaker 1>our interconnected story from the beginning in The Catcher in

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<v Speaker 1>the Eye exploded into American bookstores, the funny rye iconoclastic

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<v Speaker 1>figure of Holden Caulfield would influence generations of young people.

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<v Speaker 1>On the fiftieth anniversary of its publication, Louis Manand wrote

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<v Speaker 1>in The New Yorker, Salinger is imagined to have given

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<v Speaker 1>voice to what every adolescent thinks but is too inhibited

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<v Speaker 1>to say. The whole emotional burden of adolescence is that

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know why you feel unhappy, or angry or

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<v Speaker 1>out of it. The appeal of The Catcher in the Rye,

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<v Speaker 1>what makes it addictive, is that it provides you with

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<v Speaker 1>a reason. It gives content to chemistry. Catcher has now

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<v Speaker 1>sold more than sixty five million copies, and even more

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<v Speaker 1>than half a century after its publication, it still sells

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<v Speaker 1>around a quarter of a million books each year, and

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<v Speaker 1>while it never reached number one on the best seller

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<v Speaker 1>lists at the time of its release, Catcher caught Fire,

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<v Speaker 1>thrusting the lanky, handsome and dark haired Salinger, still only

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<v Speaker 1>thirty two, into the public spotlight. It was something of

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<v Speaker 1>a cult novel almost immediately, and the attention of the press,

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<v Speaker 1>the attention of the media, the attention of fans was

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<v Speaker 1>something that Salinger could not deal with, and so he retreated.

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<v Speaker 1>He retreated to someplace where he could write in solitude

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<v Speaker 1>and keep to himself and for the most part, keep

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<v Speaker 1>the world at bay. Salingers withdrawal from society made Holden's

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<v Speaker 1>fictional protestations against modern life and phonies seem all the

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<v Speaker 1>more real, and catapulted Catcher to even higher levels of popularity.

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<v Speaker 1>Salinger would go on to publish many stories in the

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<v Speaker 1>decade or so after Catcher, building worlds of damaged characters

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<v Speaker 1>and families, including the highly precocious children of the Glass family,

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<v Speaker 1>But all the while he retreated further and further from

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<v Speaker 1>society until he sides he's never going to publish again,

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<v Speaker 1>and he doesn't. He publishes his last story in nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>but he never stopped writing. The mysterious genius crafting unknown

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<v Speaker 1>masterpieces was just too much for the public to resist.

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<v Speaker 1>Salinger was stalked by media and fans throughout his time

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<v Speaker 1>and seclusion. Those who ventured after him in the ensuing

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<v Speaker 1>decades would encounter wall upon wall around the literary giant,

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<v Speaker 1>from no trespassing signs to a phalanx of lawyers ready

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<v Speaker 1>to challenge any unauthorized use of his works or stories.

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<v Speaker 1>For more than half a century, he declined interviews and

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<v Speaker 1>shunned photographers. This evening, one of the world's great entertainers

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<v Speaker 1>and musicians, John Lennon of the Beatles, were shot outside

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<v Speaker 1>his New York home. Slwinski says it's likely that Lennon's

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<v Speaker 1>murder at the hands of Mark David Chapman only made

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<v Speaker 1>Salinger's paranoia worse. I think he had to have been

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<v Speaker 1>aware that if one crazy fan of mine committed this

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<v Speaker 1>murder and killed this very famous person, I could be next.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounder's withdrawal from the world was all the more striking

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<v Speaker 1>given his tremendous ambition as a young man, his dreams

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<v Speaker 1>of becoming exactly what he became, a world famous writer.

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<v Speaker 1>How could a man turn his back on fame, How

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<v Speaker 1>could he turn his back on fortune? How could he

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<v Speaker 1>stop publishing? If you have a talent, are you not

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<v Speaker 1>obligated to share it with the world. So why did

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<v Speaker 1>he turn his back on the world just as he

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<v Speaker 1>was achieving his dreams. Sounder's retreat began well before Lennon's

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<v Speaker 1>death and even before Catcher made him famous. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>just to avoid the media or his fans. Like many

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<v Speaker 1>war veterans, Salinger was retreating from his own past and

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<v Speaker 1>the devastating trauma of combat. The Second World War is,

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<v Speaker 1>without a doubt, the pivotal event of Salinger's life. Whereas

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<v Speaker 1>before the war all he wanted was his fame and

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<v Speaker 1>fortune and recognition. After the war, he's very leary of people.

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<v Speaker 1>He's very leary of crowds. He's sort of cowering from

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<v Speaker 1>the world. Salinger didn't write much about World War Two,

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<v Speaker 1>but one of the unpublished short stories he wrote about it,

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<v Speaker 1>The Magic Foxhole, is mesmerizing. In it, Salinger describes the

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<v Speaker 1>scene he must have encountered on D Day. There wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>nothing on the beach but the dead boys of A

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<v Speaker 1>and B company, and some dead sailor boys and a

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<v Speaker 1>chaplain that was cooling around looking for his glasses in

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<v Speaker 1>the sand. He was the only thing that was moving,

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<v Speaker 1>and shows were breaking all around him, and there he

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<v Speaker 1>was cooling around on his hands and knees, looking for

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<v Speaker 1>his glasses. He got knocked off. That's what the beach

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<v Speaker 1>was like when I came in. Sunder was drafted after

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<v Speaker 1>Pearl Harbor and assigned to the fourth Infantry Division. In

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<v Speaker 1>January nine, he left for England, where he joined tens

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<v Speaker 1>of thousands of American soldiers preparing for the Allied invasion

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<v Speaker 1>of Europe. When D Day came, Sergeant Salander crowded into

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<v Speaker 1>a landing craft with thirty men and launched with the

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<v Speaker 1>second wave for Utah Beach just after six thirty a m.

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<v Speaker 1>On June six. Within an hour of landing, his division

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<v Speaker 1>was moving inland, and from that point on Salinger found

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<v Speaker 1>himself in near continuous battle for the next eleven months.

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<v Speaker 1>All the while Sounder carried those first six chapters of

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<v Speaker 1>the Catcher in the Rye. And he carried these six

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<v Speaker 1>chapters throughout the war as if, I think, as if

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<v Speaker 1>there were sort of talus, as if he a derived

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<v Speaker 1>strength from them. For months at a time. Salinger had

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<v Speaker 1>no breaks, no rest, He did not bay their change clothes.

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<v Speaker 1>The twenty five year old regiment suffered more casualties than

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<v Speaker 1>any other American regiment in the war, and the young

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<v Speaker 1>writer witnessed the deaths of countless friends and fellow soldiers.

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<v Speaker 1>Salinger's division was also one of the first to enter Germany,

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<v Speaker 1>where he ended up in the middle of the bloodiest

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<v Speaker 1>fighting of the war, including the infamous Battle of Hitkin Forest.

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<v Speaker 1>Hrdkin entailed perhaps the most senseless carnage of the whole war,

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<v Speaker 1>historians considered a big strategic blunder and waste of human life.

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<v Speaker 1>Men fought from tree line to tree line in the

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<v Speaker 1>dark forest and froze to death in the bitter cold

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<v Speaker 1>foxhols they slept in. Most of the soldiers the challenge

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<v Speaker 1>served with died, and most of them died not from

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<v Speaker 1>battle wounds, but from disease and from the elements, and

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<v Speaker 1>from frostbite and cold. And he was very nearly one

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<v Speaker 1>of those numbers. There were more than three thousand soldiers

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<v Speaker 1>and Sunder's regiment that went to Hoodkin. Just over five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred survived. Sunder was one of the lucky ones, but

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<v Speaker 1>his fighting was not over. Next came the Battle of

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<v Speaker 1>the Bulge, the costliest engagement in US Army history, where

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<v Speaker 1>over one hundred thousand American soldiers were killed, more fighting

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<v Speaker 1>in the forest, more sleeping in frigid conditions. The high

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<v Speaker 1>tide of this German attack was reached two days after Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the holiday's season for soldiers ninety four. In April,

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<v Speaker 1>the winter thought and Sounder's division sighed with relief. It

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<v Speaker 1>appeared the worst was behind them. Then they came upon

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<v Speaker 1>the concentration camps at Dachau. Salinger in his division flung

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<v Speaker 1>open the gates and prisoners emerged, wearing black and white

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<v Speaker 1>striped suits and caps like skeletons and rags. You could

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<v Speaker 1>live a lifetime salon your later, told his daughter, and

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<v Speaker 1>never really get the smell of burning flesh out of

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<v Speaker 1>your nose. To see that level of depravity, that level

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<v Speaker 1>of evil in the world has got to rock you,

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<v Speaker 1>has got to change you. He used writing throughout the

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<v Speaker 1>war as a sort of self therapy, as the way

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<v Speaker 1>of dealing with the horrors that he he was witnessing

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<v Speaker 1>and what he was going through. It was almost as

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<v Speaker 1>if he was clinging to writing as if it were normalcy.

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<v Speaker 1>It was something normal to him in a world that's

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<v Speaker 1>gone insane. Souder wrote a handful of unpublished war stories,

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<v Speaker 1>but he promised himself that he would not write about

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<v Speaker 1>the war if he escaped alive. It was a vow

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<v Speaker 1>he kept, but the war still infused his work. Take

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<v Speaker 1>this well known line from the final chapter of The

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<v Speaker 1>Catcher in the Rye about all I know is I

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<v Speaker 1>sort of missed everybody I told about. It's funny. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>ever tell anybody anything. If you do, you start missing everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>The angst of Catcher, which would influence millions of readers,

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<v Speaker 1>including Mark David Chapman, may not have been the words

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<v Speaker 1>of a troubled young man trying to make his way

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<v Speaker 1>in the world so much as a grown man trying

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<v Speaker 1>to hold his together. Like everything that Salinger wrote after

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<v Speaker 1>World War Two, the war simmers just beneath the surface.

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<v Speaker 1>World War Two might have destroyed point of Salinger, but

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<v Speaker 1>it made him a writer. There would be no catch

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<v Speaker 1>on the right were not for the certain World War.

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<v Speaker 1>The character of Holding Caulfield might have matured in the

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<v Speaker 1>bloody battlefields of Europe, but he was born before the

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<v Speaker 1>war in a Manhattan hotel room. Up next, Salinger collides

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<v Speaker 1>with the world of the Phonies, the upper crust of

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<v Speaker 1>New York's elite society and the girl that broke his heart.

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<v Speaker 1>Young Jerry Salinger grew up like Holden Caulfield on the

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<v Speaker 1>Upper East Side, easily the postoust area of Manhattan because

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<v Speaker 1>it's not no as kid. Plainly put, he had an ego.

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<v Speaker 1>Even as a child, he had a great ego. He

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<v Speaker 1>was convinced that he was destined for greatness. He bragged

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<v Speaker 1>to his friends even as a teenager, that he would

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<v Speaker 1>one day write the great American novel. Salinger published his

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<v Speaker 1>first short story just after his twenty one birthday in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen He promptly dropped out of Columbia University, convinced that

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<v Speaker 1>this was the first step in a dazzling writing career.

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<v Speaker 1>For several months afterwards, he couldn't sell another story. Rejection

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<v Speaker 1>after rejection piled up. I wondered if I was a

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<v Speaker 1>has been at twenty one, He later said, he spent

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<v Speaker 1>the summer of nineteen forty one with friends on the

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<v Speaker 1>Jersey shore. There he hung out with the privileged young

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<v Speaker 1>people that he had made fun of in his stories.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them was the dazzling and very famous Una O'Neill.

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<v Speaker 1>Salinger was taken with Una almost immediately. She was literary royalty,

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<v Speaker 1>the daughter of the Nobel Award winning playwright Eugene O'Neil,

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<v Speaker 1>and at sixteen years old, Una was captivating, was stunning

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<v Speaker 1>in her beauty. She was absolutely gorgeous, She was vivacious,

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<v Speaker 1>she was young, she was witty. But on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 1>there was something privilege about Una O'Neill. Salinger was crazy

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<v Speaker 1>about her. Here's how he describes when such love struck

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<v Speaker 1>encounter and catcher. She knocked me out. I mean it.

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<v Speaker 1>I was half in love with her by the time

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<v Speaker 1>we sat down. That's that's the thing about girls. Every

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<v Speaker 1>time they do something pretty, even if they're not much

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<v Speaker 1>to look at, or even if they're sort of stupid,

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<v Speaker 1>you fall half in love with them, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>never know where the hell you are. Girls. Jesus Christ,

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<v Speaker 1>they can drive you crazy, they really can. Salinger meets

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<v Speaker 1>O'Neill and he's just head over heels and he's probably

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<v Speaker 1>walking on clouds when he returns home to New York

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the summer. It was a romance

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<v Speaker 1>that would impact Salinger for years. He was obsessed with Una.

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<v Speaker 1>He bragged about her to all his friends and family.

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<v Speaker 1>Problem was he had trouble keeping up. His parents were wealthy,

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<v Speaker 1>but he didn't have an allowance. Now, Salezer was a

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<v Speaker 1>no one. He's a broke no one too, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>dating this this famous woman with a very famous father,

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<v Speaker 1>and the paparazzi following them around. And here's Jerry next time.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's trying to date this woman and take up

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<v Speaker 1>to these places that he can barely afford. Salinger wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>the only one in love with Una O'Neill. Many older,

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<v Speaker 1>more sophisticated, and much wealthier men wanted Una on their arm. Salinger,

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<v Speaker 1>he has this aversion to what famously will become known

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<v Speaker 1>as phoniness. And all of these people are about his phonies.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to get So he has the simmering musentment

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<v Speaker 1>for all of these people who were surrounding Una, and

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<v Speaker 1>she craves that attention. Salder knew he couldn't keep this

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<v Speaker 1>up long. He had to be a published author, published

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<v Speaker 1>in the likes of The New Yorker if he had

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<v Speaker 1>any chance of keeping Una. The New Yorker was the

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<v Speaker 1>epitome of success or any writer of short stories, and

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<v Speaker 1>Salinger wanted to be published in The New Yorker more

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<v Speaker 1>than anything else. So when it comes time to right

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the summer, he doesn't just go home.

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<v Speaker 1>He checks into a hotel room in New York and

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<v Speaker 1>begins to type out a short story. This story, A

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<v Speaker 1>Slight Rebellion off Madison, is the first appearance of Holden Caulfield.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where Holding and the Catching the Rye are actually

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<v Speaker 1>born out of sallengers, meaning with As the fall of

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<v Speaker 1>forty one went on, Salinger felt Una slipping away, which

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<v Speaker 1>added to the urgency of getting published. The New Yorker

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<v Speaker 1>had rejected seven of Salinger's stories, but finally A Slight

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<v Speaker 1>Rebellion was accepted. It was scheduled to run and it's

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas issue. And then the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>the summus some nineteen, a date which will live in infamation.

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<v Speaker 1>The New Yorker put his story on hold, and in

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<v Speaker 1>April nineteen two, Salinger received his draft notice and reported

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<v Speaker 1>for boot camp at Fort Dix in New Jersey. That

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<v Speaker 1>same month, Una received her own designation from New York

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<v Speaker 1>Society Debutante of the Year. Just a few months later,

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<v Speaker 1>Una left New York City to be a movie star

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<v Speaker 1>in Los Angeles. He knew he was losing her affections her,

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<v Speaker 1>he was losing her attention, and one day, while Salinger

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<v Speaker 1>was still at boot camp, he saw in the news

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<v Speaker 1>purpose that Na O'Neil had married Charlie Chaplin. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>how we found out that the love of his life,

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<v Speaker 1>at least at that time, had left him. Charlie Chaplin,

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<v Speaker 1>world famous movie star and more than thirty years her senior.

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<v Speaker 1>On June sixte the eighteen year old Una had the

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<v Speaker 1>fifty four year old Chaplain at a Justice of the Piece.

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<v Speaker 1>She was his fourth wife. Salinger was freshed more than

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<v Speaker 1>anything else. He's humiliated because he has bragged to his family,

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<v Speaker 1>he has bragged to his friends and Una O'Neill, the

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<v Speaker 1>famous Una O'Neill is his girlfriend. A man scorned is

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<v Speaker 1>worse than a woman scorned. This is James Scoville, Una

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<v Speaker 1>O'Neill biographer. When she married Chaplain, he sent a letter

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<v Speaker 1>was awful letter. And it's this vicious, really vicious um

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<v Speaker 1>satire of how he imagines Una and Charlie Chaplin's wedding night,

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<v Speaker 1>complete with illustrations. It was a notorious, notorious letter. When

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<v Speaker 1>lashing out didn't make him feel any better, Salander took

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<v Speaker 1>another tax is. He feigns this sort of romantic apnesia. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I never loved Una, he says, I've forgotten all about Una.

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<v Speaker 1>Will Of course that's not the truth, because only weeks

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<v Speaker 1>before he told if friend, I would marry Una tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>if only she would have me. One year after Salinger

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<v Speaker 1>found out about UNA's wedding, he was fighting for his

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<v Speaker 1>life on the beaches of Normandy. Una was the great

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<v Speaker 1>romantic tragedy of Salinger's life. She played a huge role

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<v Speaker 1>in the birth of Holding Caulfield and Salinger's tirade against

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<v Speaker 1>the phoniness of New York haised society. Without his heartbreak,

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<v Speaker 1>without his battle fatigue, could Salinger have written The Catcher

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<v Speaker 1>in the Rye without Holding Caullfield to channel with Mark

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<v Speaker 1>David Chapman had gone over the edge. In our next episode,

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<v Speaker 1>we pick up the thread with Una O'Neil Chaplin. She's

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<v Speaker 1>not nearly as well known as some of the men

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<v Speaker 1>whose lives she touched, including Truman, Capodi, Orson Wells, Charlie Chaplin,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course J. D. Salinger. Soon you'll hear her

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<v Speaker 1>whispering in the background of America's greatest masterpieces, from The

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<v Speaker 1>Catcher in the Rye to Breakfast at Ephanis, Let's Learn

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