1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: At least. He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: Williamson on your home of the Black and Gold Steelers 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: Nation Radio. Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly here 4 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: with Matt Williamson and Matt. It's a lovely, well not 5 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: a lovely lovely not so lovely. But you know what, 6 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: it's a it's Monday, it's not it's not snow right, 7 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: I've got shorts on. You've got shorts on. It can't 8 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: be that, bads, not far away, you know, right. People 9 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: are out and about the world's opening up a little bit, 10 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: so no complaints. A couple of free agent notes of 11 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: interest today. James Conner Steeler, former Steelers running bick going 12 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: to visit the Arizona Cardinals. Yeah, and maybe when people 13 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: listen to this that will be locked up. Who's to say, 14 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: could be. Let's stay there for a minute. With no 15 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: respect to James Conner Steeler fans. You want him to 16 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: sign in Arizona, and you want him to sign for 17 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: a little bit of money, more the better, Yeah, the more, 18 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: like crazy and be their number one and have a 19 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: great year and get you a compic, get you a Compic. 20 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: And the other part of the equation is something you 21 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: brought up when we were off the air. Arizona is 22 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: less likely to draft the back then. I mean there was. 23 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: They've got Chase Edmonds and he's a good player, He's 24 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: a nice number two. They're gonna add somebody, probably a 25 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: size back that the Steelers would also be interested in. 26 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: So I see five or six teams that are running 27 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 1: back needy. Would they be less running They would definitely 28 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: be less running back needy if James signed, So that's 29 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: what you want, Yeah, I mean maybe they're more inclined 30 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: in if they signed Connor to wait until the third 31 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: or fourth round to take a back. Yeah, I was 32 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: thinking that'd be more of their style and take even 33 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: a fifth rounder Herbert or somebody because they're leading rush. 34 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: Are still gonna be Kyler Murray, I would imagine. I 35 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: would imagine never played a lot of four wides, and 36 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 1: you know, so, no, I mean that would be good 37 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: for the Steelers. I mean, obviously be off the table 38 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: to bring him back if the draft doesn't go as planned. 39 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: But and that would be the only flying anointment because 40 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: there's just not much there's lef right if you don't 41 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: get one of the top guys we were talking about 42 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: this off the air. I mean, if you don't get 43 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: one of the top three, then you maybe you gotta 44 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, sermon would be okay, Stevenson. Then you almost 45 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: have to double down at the position in this draft. 46 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: I think if they don't get a talk if you 47 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: if you don't, if you miss some one of those 48 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: top three guys, you almost have to do what the 49 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: Packers did a few years ago, and you take They 50 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: took three that year they did the seventh whose oveth 51 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: rounder was, but yeah, it was and Williams was the 52 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: first one. Jones was their second, and he was a 53 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: better Yeah, I think I think Williams was a third 54 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,839 Speaker 1: round pick. Jones was a fifth and then they took 55 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: another guy in the seventh round and Jones wound up 56 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: being the best of the three. And then you're another 57 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: good point off air too. And we've mentioned a couple 58 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: of times that you don't go running back even in 59 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: round one trade ups, aside, trade downs, aside. Then the 60 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: second round, as soon as nag falls, you better be 61 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,399 Speaker 1: calling to move up. And they're not real well equipped 62 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: unless they trade down in the first round to trade 63 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: up much as unless you're unless you're willing to give 64 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: up some next year picks. You know, let's let's say, 65 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: for example, you know you get the extra compic for Connor, 66 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: Well that maybe you're a little more inclined to move 67 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: something else because you're gonna have four compics. Are you 68 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: gonna use for a third for Bud? Yeah? But still 69 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: would you like you'd like to have that ammunition if 70 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: you if you want to make a play for a 71 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: quarterback question? And in general, do you think Javonte Williams? 72 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: I mean he would be the one I would think 73 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,839 Speaker 1: would be that in this case, because Nag would probably fall. Um, 74 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: you know, is he worth the Steeler second this year 75 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: and the third next year? That's right, That's what It 76 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: depends on how far. I was asked that question over 77 00:03:58,160 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: the weekend because I wrote a piece saying the steel 78 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: There's have to get one of those top three guys, 79 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: regardless of what the price is. Now, when I say 80 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: regardless of what the price is, whether it be a 81 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: first round pick or if you do have to make 82 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: that move up, you have to get you have to 83 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: get one of those guys. You don't have one right now. 84 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: I mean maybe there's maybe they like sermon better than 85 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: we do. I mentioned Herbert, we mentioned Stevenson. I'm sure 86 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: that there's more than three backs they like, but I 87 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: would be shocked if any of them are franchise back. 88 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: That's Sermons the one maybe, but there's not a lot 89 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: of experience there. There's an injury history. Injury history, right, 90 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: you just got rid of one guy with an injury history. 91 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: You're gonna replace him with another? I mean you really? 92 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: And if that you A lot of teams are like 93 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: that with left tackles any better. You gotta get him 94 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: the top twelve picks, you know. So it's not that 95 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: bad a position to be in considering the position that 96 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: it is. You know, you can live with it, um 97 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: if it's not ideal. But we've seen that and that 98 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: doesn't work, so well, no, it doesn't. And and the 99 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: you know, the question is, I mean, you're their second 100 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: round pick right now, is it? Are you gonna have 101 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: to go up to thirty five? In which case then 102 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: then you are giving Then you are giving up you know, 103 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: multiple picks in a high one or is are you 104 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: going to forty five? That's a big there's a big 105 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: difference there. Yeah, and next year's third might get you 106 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: to forty five, but it's not gonna get right and 107 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: then you got trouble. Yeah. Um, so I think to 108 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: me again, that's why you almost have to take that guy. 109 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: Ideally for the Steelers. What what you want if you're 110 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: a Steeler fan is for Harris to be there at 111 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: twenty four. Then it's just a no brainer. Then you 112 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: just but if all three are there, as we often do, 113 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: maybe we move down a little and roll the dice 114 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: a little bit, and that's the ideal situation. I think 115 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: it's quite possible. But as it stands right now, would 116 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: you give up twenty four for Harris? Yeah? Absolutely, have 117 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: the bird in the hand. You're happy with your guy, 118 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: you upgraded good, you know, and then everything else go 119 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: falls into place him there, right, and then you just 120 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: make your picks as they as they come. The question, then, 121 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: you know, becomes, well, if Harris goes at say eighteen 122 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: or nineteen, well, now in Miami, you're kind of looming. 123 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: Now you're in a situation where, okay, do you have 124 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: to take that next back because or is is there 125 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: a position were somewhere else? Again, we mentioned Caleb Farley 126 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: before last week, Well he didn't he did the medical 127 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: combine last week and everything checked out. Yeah, everything came 128 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: out of that sounding good. He's gonna be ready for 129 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: the start of training camp. Um in a way you'd 130 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: almost like him to go. So you don't have to 131 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: make that. Yeah, you don't want to have to make 132 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: that decision, because talent wise, it's a no brainer. I mean, 133 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: I wonder we just talked about Arizona. If they signed Connor, 134 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: can they pass on Farley? Boy? I don't think so. 135 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: Right right, there's a couple of spots like that, and 136 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: maybe that's why they Maybe that's that's where they're kicking 137 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: the tires. Maybe it's no coincidence here that, well, hey, 138 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: Farley might be okay here for the start of training. 139 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: Whann't we take care of that running back? We were 140 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: thinking about Nause in the fir round. But we're gonna 141 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: take Farley or Newsome or somebody like that and more 142 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: about it later, which is good for the Steelers, I think, yeah. 143 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: But it's it's all very interesting. There's again you know, 144 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: you often say teams tell you what they what they 145 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: think of their roster, but the moves that they make, 146 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: the fact that the Steelers the only move that they've 147 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: made at the running back position. Is signing Calein Blage, 148 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: who was not a lead runner. No, I really didn't 149 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: like Blage as a prospect, to be very honest, and 150 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: I was very unimpressed with him early in his career. 151 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: We even talked about him much. He was better last 152 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: year for the Chargers than I expected. So and even 153 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: at that he ever sleep point when right, I mean, 154 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: the numbers will don't blow you away there. But he 155 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: was a short yards guy. I mean, he What I 156 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: didn't like about him coming out of school was he 157 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: had obvious traits. He's strong, he's fast, he's big. You know, 158 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: if you look at him on paper, you go, that's 159 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: a pretty good running back absolutely, or just like his 160 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: combine numbers and like, yeah, so maybe the lights turning 161 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: on of how to become a more new wants to 162 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: runner and whatnot. But I'm not putting all my eggs 163 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: in that basket. Don't think the problem solved. Right. Here's 164 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: the problem with that. You've already got a guy in 165 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: Jalen Samuel's who is learning to play the running back 166 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: position at the NFL level, and Caitlin Balage is learning 167 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: to play the running back position. Now he's farther along 168 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: in the process, and you're gonna hand him the ball 169 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: more than you would Samuel's. You know, Samuel's a receiving 170 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: back and kind of a failed experience. But yeah, there's 171 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: just too many question marks at that running back position 172 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: for the Steelers, which again I like your idea of okay, 173 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: your punt running back on the first two days because 174 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: it just didn't work out. So you take one in 175 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: the fourth and sixth, and we can come up with names. 176 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: But then we got six dudes fighting for one ball 177 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: in camp and it's hard to get him the reps 178 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: and is anyone really gonna stand out and take the 179 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: job over? And they all have questions even if the 180 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: he's coming and shine, and that's messy, And then you 181 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: take it. You take the chance that none of them might. 182 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: The whole idea that well, you can just get it 183 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: back anywhere. It's great until you don't have one and 184 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: you need one. You like, oh boy, you know this 185 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: guy ran. You know, I keep having James Robbins. The 186 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: people were proponents is keeping well. The Jaguars found James 187 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: Robinson last year and he was undrafted. Let me tell 188 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: you if the league thought that James Robinson was going 189 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: to be James Robinson. He probably goes in the second 190 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: round of the drafts. Of course they missed on him. 191 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: He's a small school guy. There's gonna be someone in 192 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: this class like that. And that doesn't mean that those 193 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 1: guys are in it for the long term either. I 194 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: bet the Jacks draft the back this year too, because 195 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: you don't know, because there's a reason why he wasn't 196 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: highly you know, he wasn't highly thought up. Don't be 197 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: surprised when Kenneth Gainwell ends up in Jacksonville. Somebody else 198 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: right right catching passes is in there and third down, 199 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: you know, they could draft Travis a t N, get 200 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: Lawrence and you know, give him, give him a t N. 201 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: Here you go, here's your here's your will be from college. 202 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: And he's a fine story. He's a good player, is 203 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: a nice find. But I bet they don't look at 204 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: him and say, oh, our running back problems are all 205 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: taken care of, like you would when he drafting Harrick. 206 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: I also had somebody said, well, the Steelers, when you 207 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: know the last two times that they won the Super Bowl, Uh, 208 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: you know it was you know, Willie Parker was was 209 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: a lead back but they gave him money, right, and 210 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: that was a fine. That was a fine. But after 211 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: they found him, they paid him, they paid him. He 212 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: was he was one of the highest paid players on 213 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: the team for that second Super Bowl run. And again 214 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: he didn't last long. Didn't last long either. You know, 215 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: it was a great find. The situation helped him too. 216 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: And he's a good player. I'm not thinking away from it, 217 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: and there are examples of that. But the count on 218 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: finding the diamond in the rough good business. Again, we'll 219 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: go back to the to the stats that that four 220 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: dot Com came up with sixty of your thousand yard 221 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: rushers since the year two thousand for first or secon 222 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: and round picks when you had the third round into 223 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: that it goes up. So yeah, you can find guys 224 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: and the hit rates pretty good. There's not a lot 225 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: of missus and there aren't a lot of I mean, 226 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: for every for every Richardson, Trent Richardson, there are five 227 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: guys who hit. Like Leonard Fournette was a hit. He's 228 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: a hit, I mean, was worth the fifth pick in 229 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: the draft? Probably not? Yeah, but Sharp menden Hall was 230 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: a hit, right. You know the people people saying if 231 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: that wasn't a hit. No, that's not the case. They 232 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: don't go to a Super Bowl in without Sharp menden Hall. 233 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: If Menden Hall or four Nets were a left tackle, 234 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: they'd be one of the starters in the league. You'll 235 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: be making ten million a year. Writing like their quality players? 236 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: Are they you know, superstar running backs? No? But there 237 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: thousand yard backs. Yeah, you're getting some milogiz. I mean, 238 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: the Steelers haven't had a thousand yard back since seventeen 239 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: Levy on Bell's last year. They then tried to pay well. 240 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: They paid Levy on Bell and on the on the 241 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: franchise tag. They paid him again on the franchise tag 242 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: in and they offered him a long long term contracts 243 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: both years. They tried to invest in the running backs 244 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: and they did. I mean, yeah, I mean, and in 245 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: the end they probably made the right choice of not 246 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: investing too much. His age. Naja Harris is a route 247 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: runners a lot like love Bell. Yeah, I mean they 248 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: have different styles as runners, but he can split out 249 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: wide and went on slant routes and receive a routes 250 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: at two thirty or whatever. He mays. I'm sure they 251 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: see a lot of Bell usage. Maybe not style, and 252 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: Bell is a very unique ball carrier. But I bet 253 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: they look at him and say, I remember when we 254 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: had that and that was nice. That was nice to Yeah, exactly, 255 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: I mean especially bending at the ball quick you go 256 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: from They were twenty one in Russian, not great, but 257 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: competent in running the ball. But if I recall and that, 258 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: it wasn't like it is now where there's no threat, 259 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: there's no there's no threat. There's so much easier to 260 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: play games now without any running game because the last 261 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: three years they've been twenty nine, thirties, thirty and or 262 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: thirty one or whatever and thirty two and they just 263 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: stopped doing it, you know, right, or everyone crowds the 264 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: line of script. You know, it's it's no one's worried 265 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: about the run game, right, So I mean that's a problem. Uh. 266 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: The other news of the day Jendavion Clowney visiting the 267 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: Browns again on Wednesday. I'm sure you agree with this, 268 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: and I think he scided even before we were on 269 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: the air. Steeler fans want him to sign absolutely big 270 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: money too. Yeah, go ahead and give Javan Clowney big money. 271 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: What a mistake, Like everything that the Browns have done well, 272 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: this offseason would be blown up. We'll be like, didn't 273 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: learn anything. Now we're gonna just we're gonna ignore the 274 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: edge position here because we got you, David clown We 275 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: got problem solved. Which what we've signed Tach McKinley and 276 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: Jadavion Clowney all set and they're probably gonna They gave 277 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: Tach McKinley four million dollars from what it was early 278 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: in the process. So if I'm Jadeveon Clowney, I'm going 279 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: in there and going I want ten at least four. 280 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: I want more than four. Yeah, better than that guy, 281 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,599 Speaker 1: and i've he'll get it. I mean, whatever contract he 282 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: signs is gonna be for more than four. I don't 283 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: know if you know Cleveland sign him or not. And 284 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: he's gonna have spurts and he can be very disruptive. 285 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: He's just not trustworthy. I mean, he's hurt all the time. 286 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: He doesn't produce up to his contracts time and time again. 287 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: If I were him, it's an ideal situation. You know, 288 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: Garrett's on the other side, I could play the Snaps 289 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: looks like an up and coming team. I wouldn't have 290 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: any interest in him if I were the Browns. THO. 291 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: He got a one year, thirteen million dollar deal last 292 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: year from Tennessee and produced no sex and constant injuries 293 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: and issues and right, um takes plays off and you 294 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: watch this highlight tape, you'll say wow. But if you 295 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: watch every snap, you'll be like, man, this guy could 296 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: be so much. The problem is is the highlight tape 297 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,239 Speaker 1: is all from like six years ago, a lot of it. 298 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: He's twenty eight now, he's had that, He's had that 299 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: micro fracture surgery on his his legs before even his knee, 300 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: before he even came into the league. Um, he's constantly 301 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: he's on you know, it's questionable every week and one 302 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: of those type of guys you know, I got a 303 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: holding together with duct tape. I mean, he's made sixty 304 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: three million dollars in the NFL and never had a 305 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: double digit sack season, first being being the first overall 306 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: pick and looking like the predator and you know, yeah, yeah, 307 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: he would not change the balanced power for me, And no, 308 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: I think that would be a step backwards actually because 309 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: again they probably then ignore the edge position, which is 310 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: it sets up well for them. What do they pick 311 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: in seven? Right? I mean I think they'll get one 312 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: of the Miami dudes or Quitty Pay or Oh Way 313 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: or you know whoever it is. There would be somebody 314 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: there that fits the bill. I think that sets up 315 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: really well for them. It would be nice for them 316 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: not to work that way, because I think that's the 317 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: best way of team builders. Used that first round pick 318 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: on an edge guy. Yeah, instead, and instead they'll use 319 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: it somewhere else. I saw um Tony Grossi, who has 320 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: covered the team for a long time, and you know, 321 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: if they make this signing of Clowney now, all of 322 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: a sudden, cornerback becomes the top priority. I guess linebacker 323 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: is not great either. They don't seem to invest their 324 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: team building philosophy, but they just I mean, they signed 325 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: two corners this offseason. They didn't they drafted, and Greedy 326 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: Williams is still there. I wouldn't count on Greedy Williams 327 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: at this point, but still, I mean, he used the 328 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: second round of pick on him three years ago. He's 329 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: still yeah, he's still rather young. Um, as a Steeler fan, 330 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: I would much rather they signed Jadavian Clowney than drafted 331 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips. Yeah. Absolutely, Somebody who can actually line up 332 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: and play and its effective because they're given If they 333 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: signed Clowney, it's first of all, it's a one year 334 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: deal more than likely. And he's he can't play. No, No, 335 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: he's really hard to count on. I mean, if it's 336 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: a five million dollar deal, okay, take your risk. He's 337 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: not gonna sign for that. No. No, he's not hurting 338 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: for money. Yeah again, sixty three million dollars. He's gonna say, yeah, 339 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: I'll wait until somebody gets hurt. He's that mercenary stage 340 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: of his career too. He'll be a different team every year. Yeah, 341 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: and I can't play. You know, we've we said this 342 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: last year when he was a free agent, like some 343 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: he was the most overrated guy. He was on everybody's 344 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: top ten list. He was on top ten list this 345 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 1: year for some of them, top twenty at the very 346 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:17,239 Speaker 1: least based on I don't know what value draft pedigree, right, right, 347 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: I mean in terms of production. No, I don't care 348 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: where you were drafted. What have you done lately? And 349 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: if you look at his you know his his his 350 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: last good season was in twenty seven teen when he 351 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: had nine and a half sacks, a long time ago. 352 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: That's a that's a horribly long time ago in football years. 353 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: I mean, think about what that team looked like in seventeen. J. J. 354 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: Watt was at the height of his powers. Merciless was 355 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: a really good player. Clowney wasn't even the guy people 356 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: were game planning around, and he really never has been. No, 357 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: it's it's that he wouldn't be in Cleveland either. I mean, 358 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: that's just he's a number two specialty type player, plays 359 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: a run pretty well, he can bump him inside. That's fine, 360 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: But I mean I'd much rather invest in Jayalen Phillips 361 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: or somebody like that was Cleveland. Yeah, so you know, 362 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: Steeler finish and should hope that happens because that then 363 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: messes up the Browns, right right right, especially signed a 364 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: big deal. You went, Connor signed a big deal and 365 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: Clowney has signed a big deal. Yeah, and you know, 366 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: if that happens, then you if you go from there. 367 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: But interesting that the teams would even be kicking the 368 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: tires on. Maybe it goes to show that maybe Cleveland's 369 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: not a soul on this edge Russian class, it's not 370 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: a great one. I would imagine that's how that works, 371 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: you know, like a J boog a just signed in Jacksonville, 372 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: and you know, they've invested in corners and had a 373 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: first round corner last year. And the thing that people 374 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: don't realize about the draft process is, first of all, 375 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: there aren't sleepers in the real world that everyone, I mean, 376 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: they're gonna league knows these people. And usually when we 377 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: say a guy is rising or falling, he was already there. 378 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: He was already there. But the exception to that is 379 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: then every team is different. When coaches get involved, it changes, 380 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: you know, like if you're if the media is getting 381 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: all their info from scouts, and those early drafts and 382 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: even a couple of weeks after the regular season are 383 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: super Bowl. Those are scout ranked information, which there wasn't 384 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: as much of this year, which there wasn't, which is 385 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: less of a foundation than usual. And then the coaches 386 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: get involved, and coaches see the game a lot different 387 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: than scouts know they. I mean, I'm on the scouting side, 388 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: so I'm a little prejudice against the coaching staff, but 389 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: they think they can coach up the tools he guy 390 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: even if he's not a you know, a great football 391 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: player in general. I mean, I mean Darryl Drake was, 392 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: was he loved Deonte Johnson. You know, he banged it. 393 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: We gotta get the Ante Johnson. That's the guy, and 394 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: those guys have a better understanding than the scouts of man. 395 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: I would love to be able to call this on 396 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: third and five, but I don't have a Claypool typeers. 397 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: They develop a relationship with the kid maybe you know, 398 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: they went out and they visit with them. They clicked. 399 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: They said, look, this guy and I are really on 400 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: the same page. I can't wait to work with them. Yeah. 401 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: I thought it was a lot of positive that comes 402 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: from it too. But the boards do change, and that's 403 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: when the fights happened to And who's your top decision maker? 404 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: I mean, if it's Mike or if it's Kyle Shanahan 405 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: and he just says, I need somebody to be my 406 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: joystick out on the field, and I, you know, just 407 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: don't screw up what I sent in. That's great, you know, 408 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: but it better work. Yeah, I mean that was the 409 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: one thing I saw a story at of Boston UM 410 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: last week where said Belichick is gonna maybe listen to 411 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: his scouts a little more this year. Okay, you know, uh, 412 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: he's notoriously does not They've they've screwed up the draft 413 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: the last few years because it's been more of Belichick doing, well, 414 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: this is what I want, this is what I'm gonna 415 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: go get, and it hasn't worked out necessarily. And with 416 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: all respect to coach Belichick, who's obviously awesome at what 417 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: he does, that's a lot on anyone's place. Absolutely. I mean, 418 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: you're going straight from free agency where you're the you're 419 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: the main talent evaluator. You're the guy meeting with these 420 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: free agents and judging, Okay, we want to bring this guy, 421 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: and we want to bring that guy in to two 422 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: weeks later you're doing a draft. Yeah, it's just an 423 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: awful lot on your plate. And he's not a young 424 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: man anymore either. I've been around the block, and more 425 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: than anybody supposedly, he knows what they're having for lunch 426 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: and who's sleeping the floor. But it's why they've always 427 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: they've always tended towards the Alabama guys, the Rutger guys, 428 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: the guys who he knows, the coach, he knows, the 429 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: coaching staffs himself, and so i'll take out you know, 430 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: this guy vouches for him, I'll take him. Doesn't mean 431 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: that's where he should have gone. See. I don't want 432 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: to throw my my old employers under the bus either. 433 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: But when I was with the Browns, I'm sure people 434 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: remembers a long time ago. I'm old. Butch Johnson or 435 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: Butch Davis was our head coach and there was a 436 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: massive trend of only drafting what were then Big East 437 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: players that they played against at Miami the U or 438 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: dudes that grew up in Florida that he scouted. So 439 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: you're playing with the lesser deck, you know, like everybody 440 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: else has taken the whole country. Everyone else is playing 441 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: from the whole when and we, of course that staff 442 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: scouted everybody equally. But when it came down to turn 443 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: the chip in, I know this guy, trust him, and 444 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: time's gone bad past. I don't think I've ever told 445 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: this story, but and I wasn't there, but many people 446 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: told me when they left the their their Gerard war 447 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: in class. Remember he was like the fourth pick in 448 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: the draft. Everybody left the night before I think they 449 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: picked third or fourth. They knew who the first three 450 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,959 Speaker 1: picks were going to be, and they all agreed they 451 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: were taking Richard Seymour. They get up on the clock 452 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: and the director of pro scouting, the director of college scouting, 453 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: were blown away that they turned in Gerard war Like 454 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: we talked about this, and Butch comes in and says, well, 455 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: I recruited Gerard. You know, I knew him well, you know, 456 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: I know, you a little higher grade on Seymour, but 457 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: I was I was more comfortable with him because I 458 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: knew him as a sixteen year old top prospect. And like, well, 459 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: what are we doing here? Why don't we have all 460 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: those meetings and talk about despite about this for three 461 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: hours last night? You know? Right? Well, and that that happens, 462 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, uh, you know this guy knows 463 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: that guy, who knows that guy, and well he's vouching 464 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: for me, says he's really good, And a lot of 465 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: wins there happened that way too, especially year like this 466 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: when you have less information. That's super important, but you 467 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: can't overvalue it either. It's like when Henry Ruggs runs 468 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: a great forty, don't give him credit twice. You already 469 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: knew it was fast, knew him, already knew that. Yeah, 470 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: that that's we can see that. I mean, yeah, so yeah, 471 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: but a lot of that stuff taking place now, uh, 472 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: teams are kind of huddling together to kind of start 473 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: to finalize their draft boards. Um in the next week 474 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: or so, they'll start, at least I know the Steelers 475 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: will start with their mock drafts and doing those kind 476 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,719 Speaker 1: of things that, uh, that's the director of the pro 477 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: scouts come into rams really need this, and you know 478 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: it's hard for Kevin or certainly you know, coach Tomlin 479 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: and those guys to know team needs of thirty one 480 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: teams and different caps situations and all that. So that's 481 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: why I mentioned my Brown's days. I was in charge 482 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: of the NFC West. So when we kind of mock 483 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: things out, Hey, Matt, who you think the Cardinals might 484 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: take here, Like, oh boy, if there's a corner, they 485 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: gotta do it, you know, right, and you go to 486 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: the special But even at that you're still guessing. I mean, 487 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: you have an edgy, have a very educated guess you've 488 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: seen with every staff and you know right, But then 489 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: they come back to I don't know their eVols, the evs, 490 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: who do they have relationships with it, Well, this guy's 491 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: telling them that this could you know, they're not gonna 492 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: take him because that or that. So there's always that 493 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: kind of stuff where this guy has maybe this guy 494 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: has some character stuff, but we wouldn't take them, but 495 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: they would. Yeah, And that's the beauty of the guy 496 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: like Kevin Colbert. I mean, he knows what owners will 497 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: let character stuff slide. You know, ownerships don't change much, 498 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: you know. And it works against the Steelers in some ways, 499 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure too. Like we always talk about this. I mean, 500 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 1: the Ravens know who the Steelers like and the Steelers like. Yeah, 501 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: And it's not like they're changing information. It's just I 502 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: know how they scout. I know what they'll go for 503 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: tough They value toughness more than this team does, or 504 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: their value speed more, whatever it is. They know what 505 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: they're after. And the owner won't tolerate a guy that 506 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: does this, but he will tolerate this or you know 507 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, So you know, you know if 508 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: if if they reach for somebody, either they didn't know 509 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: the information that you know about it. That's the other 510 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: part of it, Like this year and here like this 511 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: um how much like when when we had lands ear 512 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: line on last week and he's talking about Micah Parsons 513 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: potentially falling because because the hazing incident and stay I 514 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: don't know how much that hurts the guy. I don't. 515 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: I have no idea. That's the one you want to 516 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: connection on. What really happened? Is he a change guy? 517 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: And then you go to their head coach? He was 518 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: your all year? Right, Yeah, I know your vouching for 519 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: the kid, But what's he done in the last twelve months? 520 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: Because you haven't been around in it, he hasn't been here, 521 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: yeah right, I mean, I don't know what I'm making 522 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: a joke, but I don't mean too is he off 523 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: hazing people? Or is he working hard? And that it's 524 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: late incident, you know. I mean, you've been out of 525 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 1: the loop for a year. It's such an odd year, 526 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: it really is. Hopefully next year we're back into a 527 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: more normal type situation. But it's gonna make things very 528 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: interesting here over the next couple of weeks as this 529 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: continues to work itself out, and as we see this week. 530 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: Um we mentioned this last week both Justin Fields and 531 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: tree Lance having a second workout. Someone's telling them are 532 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: both gonna be there now, They're gonna all their their 533 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: their head guys are gonna be there. I don't know 534 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: it's going to change any decisions that it shouldn't. You 535 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: shouldn't make that trade if you're not sure who the 536 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: guy is. Right, you made it. You made the deal. 537 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 1: You didn't just say, well, we're gonna take one of 538 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: these three guys. We're just not sure yet. Right. That 539 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: can't be true, because you can might have gotten that 540 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: guy sitting where you're at. Right. But I bet people 541 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: are telling them, hey, there's five other teams that aren't 542 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: sure between you two because they have a lot of similarities, 543 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I could see they're wanting to 544 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: be more tiebreakers, more information. I want to be in 545 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: the building with them one more time. And maybe you 546 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: don't even care how he throws. You know he's gonna throw. Well, 547 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: but let's be around him one more time. I got 548 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: ten more questions I'd like to ask. And I wonder 549 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: too if if the forty Niners move up forced Carolina's 550 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: hand with the Jets. So I think that's the Donald move. Yeah, 551 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: that's why they made the move to Trede for Sam Donald. 552 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: The big part of it is because now everyone's get 553 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: the four in Atlanta is like I'm gonna talking to 554 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: you right, you know? So now the best Carolina can 555 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: do is get the five. Bengals don't traditionally trade out, 556 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: so the best I can get to a six, and 557 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: Miami just traded into six, so they wanted to go anywhere, 558 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: and so I'm gonna settle for Donald Yeah, you know, 559 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: discount rate and co Chama. Yep, that's kind of the 560 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,959 Speaker 1: situation there, but that's gonna do it. For this segment 561 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: of the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio, I want 562 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: to tell you thanks for my partner, Matt Williamson. We 563 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: also want to thank A. Jacob Brect for keeping us 564 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: on the airth throughout the conversation, and we want to 565 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: thank you for listening. I'm Dale Lally to this edition 566 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: of the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.